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Title: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: LuckyKey on September 08, 2018, 07:18:49 PM
Would we ever be able to see (know when) wealthy finance companies working together to buy and sell bitcoin (lower), deliberately throwing money away to lower the price? Add in the $ that's made from shorting the coins (btc & eth shorts have record highs), and they can minimize their losses. No regulation, collectively billions to throw towards the cause, makes for an easy way to manipulate the price downward.

With no regulation (anyone can buy and sell any amount) and the majority of BTC trading volume being worthless (traders and bots running trying to buy and sell enough to make a few bucks), how much selling would it really take to continuously drop the price?

There was a record breaking 10,000 BTC short placed earlier in the week, just before the recent selloff dropped the price. Who knew? The sellers
Taking into account the $ made on the shorting btc and eth, does anyone know what it would take to continuously drive down the price? IMO, I don't think as much $ as people are thinking?  :(


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: daicavung on September 11, 2018, 02:57:46 PM
BTC is not easy to lower the price, now BTC is rising slightly and is the most potential coin on the market, maybe in a short time the price of BTC will go to moon


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: yla1974 on September 11, 2018, 03:17:14 PM
The price of bitcoin, this is of little interest. Most importantly, this is his function, which he can perform. I agree that volatility does not do him positive merit. Bitcoin is a system outside of any system. Speculation is a by-product, fully controlled by exchanges.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: charlotte04 on September 11, 2018, 04:03:22 PM
Would we ever be able to see (know when) wealthy finance companies working together to buy and sell bitcoin (lower), deliberately throwing money away to lower the price? Add in the $ that's made from shorting the coins (btc & eth shorts have record highs), and they can minimize their losses. No regulation, collectively billions to throw towards the cause, makes for an easy way to manipulate the price downward.

With no regulation (anyone can buy and sell any amount) and the majority of BTC trading volume being worthless (traders and bots running trying to buy and sell enough to make a few bucks), how much selling would it really take to continuously drop the price?

There was a record breaking 10,000 BTC short placed earlier in the week, just before the recent selloff dropped the price. Who knew? The sellers
Taking into account the $ made on the shorting btc and eth, does anyone know what it would take to continuously drive down the price? IMO, I don't think as much $ as people are thinking?  :(

People who are scared has a huge role also in bringing the price of Bitcoin go down. But I know that those Big people has a plan on making those people go in the market again.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: millensharon8 on September 11, 2018, 04:24:06 PM
You are simply talking about price manipulation by the whales which is something that by now, should not be anything new to anyone.

It has been said times without number that as long as this market is more prone to speculation than real demand based on real life usage, manipulation will always be a regular thing. You said it yourself, this is a decentralized, non regulated market, so what else would you expect?

The same set of people who drive it down which we call the bears and every other investor and trader follow put, are the same set of people who are buying and bringing about bullish sentiments with a rinse and repeat process.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: jrrsparkles on September 11, 2018, 04:32:13 PM
Would we ever be able to see (know when) wealthy finance companies working together to buy and sell bitcoin (lower), deliberately throwing money away to lower the price? Add in the $ that's made from shorting the coins (btc & eth shorts have record highs), and they can minimize their losses. No regulation, collectively billions to throw towards the cause, makes for an easy way to manipulate the price downward.

With no regulation (anyone can buy and sell any amount) and the majority of BTC trading volume being worthless (traders and bots running trying to buy and sell enough to make a few bucks), how much selling would it really take to continuously drop the price?

There was a record breaking 10,000 BTC short placed earlier in the week, just before the recent selloff dropped the price. Who knew? The sellers
Taking into account the $ made on the shorting btc and eth, does anyone know what it would take to continuously drive down the price? IMO, I don't think as much $ as people are thinking?  :(
It is easy or hard depends on how much bitcoins there have,if they have huge number of bitcoin which is worth in millions then it can be the reason for the continuous price fall but it is not going to be permanent price fall since someone will buy those coins for cheaper price then the price will move in the upward direction.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: mostkey on September 11, 2018, 06:00:40 PM
Would we ever be able to see (know when) wealthy finance companies working together to buy and sell bitcoin (lower), deliberately throwing money away to lower the price? Add in the $ that's made from shorting the coins (btc & eth shorts have record highs), and they can minimize their losses. No regulation, collectively billions to throw towards the cause, makes for an easy way to manipulate the price downward.

With no regulation (anyone can buy and sell any amount) and the majority of BTC trading volume being worthless (traders and bots running trying to buy and sell enough to make a few bucks), how much selling would it really take to continuously drop the price?

There was a record breaking 10,000 BTC short placed earlier in the week, just before the recent selloff dropped the price. Who knew? The sellers
Taking into account the $ made on the shorting btc and eth, does anyone know what it would take to continuously drive down the price? IMO, I don't think as much $ as people are thinking?  :(

With so many Bitcoins in possession, it may be very easy to reduce it and if it doesn't work, there's nothing you can do, now it's a very vulnerable situation where there are so many people who panic and don't know what to do, this is a good opportunity for those who have money and Bitcoin there are so many important examples that have happened in the past few days with great sadness with huge profits for them after pumping and convincing many people after feeling enough they threw it back, coming back to all its users, because most of it was here not ready for an incident like that, panic repeated.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: LeGaulois on September 11, 2018, 06:05:49 PM
You can make the Bitcoin crashing without owning a single bitcoin. Sad but true. It's only a matter to have the right resources needed and it can be done in a few days only. A few persons have the right resources do it currently and it's like a private circle. I am not talking conspiracies here, but believe it or not, money is power you can buy even what is not for sell.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: TravelMug on September 11, 2018, 06:18:06 PM
Would we ever be able to see (know when) wealthy finance companies working together to buy and sell bitcoin (lower), deliberately throwing money away to lower the price? Add in the $ that's made from shorting the coins (btc & eth shorts have record highs), and they can minimize their losses. No regulation, collectively billions to throw towards the cause, makes for an easy way to manipulate the price downward.

They can easily do that, manipulate the price. But the we don't have such proof though, because the market is open for everyone. As you have said, no regulations and decentralizes system.

With no regulation (anyone can buy and sell any amount) and the majority of BTC trading volume being worthless (traders and bots running trying to buy and sell enough to make a few bucks), how much selling would it really take to continuously drop the price?

Almost all coins are not hitting rock bottom, so I say we are almost closed to the floor price. How much? Maybe if billions of dollars being wiped on in couple of days, it will be enough for most coins to die or close to dying specially altcoins.

There was a record breaking 10,000 BTC short placed earlier in the week, just before the recent selloff dropped the price. Who knew? The sellers
Taking into account the $ made on the shorting btc and eth, does anyone know what it would take to continuously drive down the price? IMO, I don't think as much $ as people are thinking?  :(

We don't know who the seller is, I read that perhaps that wallet belong to someone who is involved in Silk Road or Mt. Gox heist. We will never knew. As I have stated , billions of dollars of marketcap would be needed to drove the price down significantly.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: freezzeer on September 11, 2018, 07:15:55 PM
If big company will enter to this market definitely they are targeting on their profit.So we have to face them


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: omonuyak on September 11, 2018, 07:16:06 PM
Cryptocurrencies market is an anonymous and you cannot easily trace transactions therefore we the traders will ever find it very difficult to know when whales come together to takes trading decision. However,  since billions of dollars is really needed to be able to drive the price in a particular directions it then means we cannot really  know the subtitles decision of the whales in other to be able to play along.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: Mahanton on September 11, 2018, 08:21:39 PM
Would we ever be able to see (know when) wealthy finance companies working together to buy and sell bitcoin (lower), deliberately throwing money away to lower the price? Add in the $ that's made from shorting the coins (btc & eth shorts have record highs), and they can minimize their losses. No regulation, collectively billions to throw towards the cause, makes for an easy way to manipulate the price downward.

With no regulation (anyone can buy and sell any amount) and the majority of BTC trading volume being worthless (traders and bots running trying to buy and sell enough to make a few bucks), how much selling would it really take to continuously drop the price?

There was a record breaking 10,000 BTC short placed earlier in the week, just before the recent selloff dropped the price. Who knew? The sellers
Taking into account the $ made on the shorting btc and eth, does anyone know what it would take to continuously drive down the price? IMO, I don't think as much $ as people are thinking?  :(
All has the possibility either can bring the price up or on new heights on a short time frame and it can lower than on least we expected since we know that this market do involve emotions.One fud
then all things would mess up and we have seen countless scenarios about this matter.Fundamentals are one of the factors that can bring the market easily to hell.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: EXtremeAEX on September 11, 2018, 11:44:13 PM
The market of crypto currencies is regulated only by exchanges and whales. Therefore, it is not surprising that we can observe such manipulations at a price. I think that in Desember 2017- early 2018, many people took money out of exchanges, and now it's the turn of exchanges to take money from people. After all, many traders are now trying to make money on marginal trading. But in some unknown way, orders don't work even when the price reaches the desired marks. Thus, now the exchanges take money from traders.
I think that when exchanges and whales are saturated and bought at low prices, then they will return people's interest in crypto-currencies with the next mega pamp.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: Sony.UK on September 11, 2018, 11:51:54 PM
If big company will enter to this market definitely they are targeting on their profit.So we have to face them
The current scenario big companies are not ready to adopt the Bitcoin. So price fluctuation is continuously happening in the market but china is accepting the legalization of cryptocurrency. Automatically it will going to moon. We are all concentrate the legalisation of cryptocurrency.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: lephuqui on September 12, 2018, 12:21:46 AM
Would we ever be able to see (know when) wealthy finance companies working together to buy and sell bitcoin (lower), deliberately throwing money away to lower the price? Add in the $ that's made from shorting the coins (btc & eth shorts have record highs), and they can minimize their losses. No regulation, collectively billions to throw towards the cause, makes for an easy way to manipulate the price downward.

With no regulation (anyone can buy and sell any amount) and the majority of BTC trading volume being worthless (traders and bots running trying to buy and sell enough to make a few bucks), how much selling would it really take to continuously drop the price?

There was a record breaking 10,000 BTC short placed earlier in the week, just before the recent selloff dropped the price. Who knew? The sellers
Taking into account the $ made on the shorting btc and eth, does anyone know what it would take to continuously drive down the price? IMO, I don't think as much $ as people are thinking?  :(
btc is not easy to lower prices. What they want is to lower people's imagination for btc, easier to dictate than btc dump. It can drag on the dominoes of the entire market to make a mass dump in the market. Do not know ever will end dump?


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: hoavantathan on September 12, 2018, 12:37:22 AM
It's not easy to decrease the price of bitcoin if you have not big money. Bitcoin is the most stable coin. You can see its chart. It's the first coin therefore all coin base on it. Other coins have a lot of problems to be the leader.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: Sanitough on September 12, 2018, 06:17:06 AM
It's not easy to decrease the price of bitcoin if you have not big money. Bitcoin is the most stable coin. You can see its chart. It's the first coin therefore all coin base on it. Other coins have a lot of problems to be the leader.
It's the most stable because it's holding the dominant rate which is over 50%, that means slow movement of bitcoin
will bring bigger movement of altcoins as they are in one crypto market.
The price will go up and down but the recent trends are going down and that is because of the whales who love to manipulate the price.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: ncn1992vn on September 12, 2018, 06:59:00 AM
This is one of the important reasons that SEC unacceptable Bitcoin ETF
I think the whales owned energy giant Bitcoin easily manipulated this problem and bring profits steadily for them, of course the risk to them is very high


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: Angela28 on September 12, 2018, 07:39:27 AM
Bitcoin prices are influenced by a number of factors, the most typical of which are the need to trade bitcoin, if the purchase of more than the sale will drive the price up.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: hugeblack on September 12, 2018, 03:46:18 PM
I agree with you there was some manipulation of the price but not the way you mentioned.

At the end of last year, some platforms gave incorrect prices which made the difference between it and other platforms about $ 1000, this manipulation led to the addition of more money to bitcoin and so on.

At the moment, it is difficult to have such operations as there are a lot of regulators that check the prices.


There was a record-breaking 10,000 BTC short placed earlier in the week, just before the recent selloff dropped the price. Who knew? The sellers
The reason for the recent decline was not that 10,000 because the "circulating supply" is around 17,263,312 which mean 0.000579263122 effects.


Taking into account the $ made on the shorting btc and eth, does anyone know what it would take to continuously drive down the price? IMO, I don't think as much $ as people are thinking?  :(
more bad news, FUD & panic, and  weak turnout on Bitcoin "Demand."


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: Docnaster on September 12, 2018, 07:49:44 PM
It's very likely that those with the power to knock the BTC value have already been doing this, the market cap is definitely not so high that this cannot be done quite easily by a few whales. Even those making the regulations probably know their decisions will provide a quick profit or short opportunity and so manipulate the market for their own gain, it's human nature.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: Cryptokarl on September 12, 2018, 08:13:30 PM
Its a bit difficult to just lower the price of bitcoin. What mostly causes bitcoin prices to lower is when they spread fud news and people sell off. This is the way this market is been manipulated


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: rickadone on September 13, 2018, 02:34:10 PM
BTC is not easy to lower the price, now BTC is rising slightly and is the most potential coin on the market, maybe in a short time the price of BTC will go to moon
Why will you say it is not easy to lower the price, when certainly a lot of whales are in the market and as long as you will get to see a lot of people who have huge funds coming together in a speculative market, price manipulation is something that can easily be got ?

Notwithstanding, it is part of every market as we will certainly see those with larger positions in a market making their own decisions based on market response and perception, and they simply are the ones we classified to as market makers, so they simply do exactly what they are called.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: astridwi on September 13, 2018, 02:42:54 PM
every person or corporation that plays BTC prices must have $ that is quite a lot and is quick to do dumps, if they are a little late then the $ they use can really disappear like smoke because there are also many other players full of interests in the crypto market.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: gayan7788 on September 13, 2018, 03:47:16 PM
However with all the debate approximately developing fees, this might come as a surprise. in the end, it wasn't see you later ago that prices had been so high a group of outstanding buyers and miners created a whole new edition of bitcoin in general to maintain expenses lower.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: kingasf10 on September 13, 2018, 03:54:22 PM
once the people start to know the news trick i am sure no one can bring down the BTC down, that is  why maturity is key to success of BTC and all crypto currencies


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: Furious 7 on September 13, 2018, 05:13:45 PM
Some people even a certain group of organizations might do various ways to get a good price to make a purchase. in various wrong ways. spread issues involving various media. like the case of JP Morgan.
they succeed because panic will spread quickly.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: ss890 on September 13, 2018, 05:56:29 PM
Why there won't be any companies like those who are going to be whales of this market and selling off badly to profit themselves? I guess there are or there might be some companies who might be laundering the money in that way so that they can benefit there organisation itself. Who would leave the chance to invest in a market which is completely driven by the decentralised nature? The prices currently are being driven by similar forces. There may not be the big entities but surely bug bag holders who are similar to institutions if they have got so much money in their accounts.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: Sereda_Rostislav on September 13, 2018, 09:31:13 PM
Yes, it is easy to manipulate the bitcoine course. Because of 100% bitcoin only 10-20% is used for trading. The otasalnaya part - it's invistitsii.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: Klausi on September 13, 2018, 10:52:05 PM
Why there won't be any companies like those who are going to be whales of this market and selling off badly to profit themselves? I guess there are or there might be some companies who might be laundering the money in that way so that they can benefit there organisation itself. Who would leave the chance to invest in a market which is completely driven by the decentralised nature? The prices currently are being driven by similar forces. There may not be the big entities but surely bug bag holders who are similar to institutions if they have got so much money in their accounts.

For those who were big whales they could really bring down the price of btc, because they actually have the funds to play day trading. They enjoyed it, but in a thing about hyped price that's their option to initiate bull run activities. Mainly it could make the price increase very fast and due to decentralized matter, it cannot be regulated.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: bitcoinrays on September 15, 2018, 06:49:53 AM
Would we ever be able to see (know when) wealthy finance companies working together to buy and sell bitcoin (lower), deliberately throwing money away to lower the price? Add in the $ that's made from shorting the coins (btc & eth shorts have record highs), and they can minimize their losses. No regulation, collectively billions to throw towards the cause, makes for an easy way to manipulate the price downward.

With no regulation (anyone can buy and sell any amount) and the majority of BTC trading volume being worthless (traders and bots running trying to buy and sell enough to make a few bucks), how much selling would it really take to continuously drop the price?

There was a record breaking 10,000 BTC short placed earlier in the week, just before the recent selloff dropped the price. Who knew? The sellers
Taking into account the $ made on the shorting btc and eth, does anyone know what it would take to continuously drive down the price? IMO, I don't think as much $ as people are thinking?  :(
Individuals canít really do that, not even a group can do that. The only thing people can do is to pump the price of Bitcoin. And after the price has gotten high they can withdraw back their money to dump the price and make it fall again. Thatís the only thing they can do, if you donít have money in the Blockchain then they canít do anything.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: Kiweikoo on September 17, 2018, 11:41:54 AM
If big company will enter to this market definitely they are targeting on their profit.So we have to face them
How many of you will be facing them. Actually, what the big ones will be doing is to drive away weak hands from the market, drive it down enough to a point that seems realistic to them and then start buying in at that point as much as they can with all those weak hands coming back to join FOMO later on.

Bringing down the price for those who have the money and funds to do so is something easy at least for a speculative market, as they buy the dips the create enough volume upward, and then market participation kicks in and then when it hits a stage where it starts getting weak and they feel there is no need to drive it further, they sell and the same process repeats itself backward.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: Painbird on September 17, 2018, 02:17:27 PM
It can anything happen on market. It could go so high and even lower. But its almost easy to say the price almost stable. so its not so possible to bring it down. You can invest now if you have much cash.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: Flying BTC on September 17, 2018, 02:29:09 PM
Bitcoin market is too big, it is not so easy to make BTC price down. You must own some mining farms to even start to buy/sell BTC in quantities.  ;)


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: Marcel555 on September 17, 2018, 07:05:13 PM
The price if any digital currency can be manipulated by holders who control a large percentage of the entire volume (whales), they can lower or increase the price to suit their strategy.
As a crypto inclined individual, this is not news.
Play the game of the whales or you wait it out till the market becomes favourable.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: boy130 on September 17, 2018, 10:27:08 PM
Oh, yeah! It seems that the prices can be brought down so easily nowadays. The real struggle and current dilemma is how to bring it up again but we're no way near close enough to finding it out or are we?


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: Kasabus on September 17, 2018, 11:35:16 PM
Oh, yeah! It seems that the prices can be brought down so easily nowadays. The real struggle and current dilemma is how to bring it up again but we're no way near close enough to finding it out or are we?
We've got stabilize right now but the we all wanting, we want more to compensate our losses in the past days. There's a lot of crying babies out there seeking for bull runs came out, but it could be hard to see it now as there is no indications of wide growth for BTC on the market. And looking its market volume, it is only below $4bil which couldn't be enough to have some pumps.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: lephuqui on September 17, 2018, 11:43:20 PM
Bitcoin market is too big, it is not so easy to make BTC price down. You must own some mining farms to even start to buy/sell BTC in quantities.  ;)
I think big corporations are only part of btc's discount. This year btc is hard to come by when bitmex is involved in price action on btc. Can not get up. Unless there is a huge news impact on the purchase of everyone.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: hawkins on September 18, 2018, 01:03:40 AM
Oh, yeah! It seems that the prices can be brought down so easily nowadays. The real struggle and current dilemma is how to bring it up again but we're no way near close enough to finding it out or are we?
We've got stabilize right now but the we all wanting, we want more to compensate our losses in the past days. There's a lot of crying babies out there seeking for bull runs came out, but it could be hard to see it now as there is no indications of wide growth for BTC on the market. And looking its market volume, it is only below $4bil which couldn't be enough to have some pumps.
easy or not, I think that depends on how much bitcoin you have. because for me it's very difficult, because I think of so many markets that have bitcoin. when you want to make bitcoin dump, you have to have lots of bitcoin in every market. yeah, but i think it will be very difficult.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: vuluong1995 on September 18, 2018, 02:12:30 AM
Would we ever be able to see (know when) wealthy finance companies working together to buy and sell bitcoin (lower), deliberately throwing money away to lower the price? Add in the $ that's made from shorting the coins (btc & eth shorts have record highs), and they can minimize their losses. No regulation, collectively billions to throw towards the cause, makes for an easy way to manipulate the price downward.

With no regulation (anyone can buy and sell any amount) and the majority of BTC trading volume being worthless (traders and bots running trying to buy and sell enough to make a few bucks), how much selling would it really take to continuously drop the price?

There was a record breaking 10,000 BTC short placed earlier in the week, just before the recent selloff dropped the price. Who knew? The sellers
Taking into account the $ made on the shorting btc and eth, does anyone know what it would take to continuously drive down the price? IMO, I don't think as much $ as people are thinking?  :(

Actually, it can be difficult to know at any time the company, financial wealth, work together to buy and sell bitcoin (lower), the Current capitalization of BTC in particular and the electronic money market in general is still too small compared to other industries such as stock, forex, so susceptible to manipulation especially with respect to the company financial wealth. So now we are playing the game. Play their game due to their manipulation of the market.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: backspace jejel on September 18, 2018, 02:14:53 AM
for someone like me it is very difficult to do, but not for big investors who have a lot of business networks, they can work together to drop the value of btc by making low transactions, so slowly the value of btc will surely fall, then they will buy more many of all people to create profits


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: herurist on September 18, 2018, 02:32:27 AM
Would we ever be able to see (know when) wealthy finance companies working together to buy and sell bitcoin (lower), deliberately throwing money away to lower the price? Add in the $ that's made from shorting the coins (btc & eth shorts have record highs), and they can minimize their losses. No regulation, collectively billions to throw towards the cause, makes for an easy way to manipulate the price downward.

With no regulation (anyone can buy and sell any amount) and the majority of BTC trading volume being worthless (traders and bots running trying to buy and sell enough to make a few bucks), how much selling would it really take to continuously drop the price?

There was a record breaking 10,000 BTC short placed earlier in the week, just before the recent selloff dropped the price. Who knew? The sellers
Taking into account the $ made on the shorting btc and eth, does anyone know what it would take to continuously drive down the price? IMO, I don't think as much $ as people are thinking?  :(

Manipulated bitcoin price is not easy, even they have big money and news sources to give impact into market users what you think is not right. If someone can do that I believe crypto is like stock, just need one call to create new price on broker market. Keep positive with bitcoin and just follow it, we will never become leader into financial instrument. Think again please.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: Justin999 on September 18, 2018, 03:02:55 AM
Would we ever be able to see (know when) wealthy finance companies working together to buy and sell bitcoin (lower), deliberately throwing money away to lower the price? Add in the $ that's made from shorting the coins (btc & eth shorts have record highs), and they can minimize their losses. No regulation, collectively billions to throw towards the cause, makes for an easy way to manipulate the price downward.

With no regulation (anyone can buy and sell any amount) and the majority of BTC trading volume being worthless (traders and bots running trying to buy and sell enough to make a few bucks), how much selling would it really take to continuously drop the price?

There was a record breaking 10,000 BTC short placed earlier in the week, just before the recent selloff dropped the price. Who knew? The sellers
Taking into account the $ made on the shorting btc and eth, does anyone know what it would take to continuously drive down the price? IMO, I don't think as much $ as people are thinking?  :(
Manipulated bitcoin price is quite difficult But Easily possible & Still Controled by big fish Trades & holders And They are still Doing. Do you have noticed bitcoin chart from January 2018 to till now? Understand anything? Everywhere  indicates manupulate!! They makes market billish and told us fairy story that bitcoin is illegal, and so ban by usa, india or bla bla bla. Then people sell their share to save theirs balance and thus, result dump market. Then Big fish Traders Let us know,  bitcoin have a great future etc etc and makes us crazy to investment in bitcoin  again. So Pump-dump Pump-dump Pump-dump is on and on and they makes profit from It(Us)


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: Caladonian on September 18, 2018, 04:34:09 AM
Would we ever be able to see (know when) wealthy finance companies working together to buy and sell bitcoin (lower), deliberately throwing money away to lower the price? Add in the $ that's made from shorting the coins (btc & eth shorts have record highs), and they can minimize their losses. No regulation, collectively billions to throw towards the cause, makes for an easy way to manipulate the price downward.

With no regulation (anyone can buy and sell any amount) and the majority of BTC trading volume being worthless (traders and bots running trying to buy and sell enough to make a few bucks), how much selling would it really take to continuously drop the price?

There was a record breaking 10,000 BTC short placed earlier in the week, just before the recent selloff dropped the price. Who knew? The sellers
Taking into account the $ made on the shorting btc and eth, does anyone know what it would take to continuously drive down the price? IMO, I don't think as much $ as people are thinking?  :(

Manipulated bitcoin price is not easy, even they have big money and news sources to give impact into market users what you think is not right. If someone can do that I believe crypto is like stock, just need one call to create new price on broker market. Keep positive with bitcoin and just follow it, we will never become leader into financial instrument. Think again please.
A game of trust and better understanding, if you will believe that it can be fully manipulated then better for you to understand how they will work with it, bitcoin indeed an asset for several personalities and big holders, indeed that they can make such an impact if they start to work along with their big investment, just be wiser enough and understand the drill so you won't ends up nothing from this industry.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: Premooooo on September 18, 2018, 07:04:40 AM
It will depends on rich trader's and investor's if they gonna dumped their bitcoin so it will possible that bitcions price will go down.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: Mehedi72 on September 18, 2018, 09:23:27 AM
Would we ever be able to see (know when) wealthy finance companies working together to buy and sell bitcoin (lower), deliberately throwing money away to lower the price? Add in the $ that's made from shorting the coins (btc & eth shorts have record highs), and they can minimize their losses. No regulation, collectively billions to throw towards the cause, makes for an easy way to manipulate the price downward.

With no regulation (anyone can buy and sell any amount) and the majority of BTC trading volume being worthless (traders and bots running trying to buy and sell enough to make a few bucks), how much selling would it really take to continuously drop the price?

There was a record breaking 10,000 BTC short placed earlier in the week, just before the recent selloff dropped the price. Who knew? The sellers
Taking into account the $ made on the shorting btc and eth, does anyone know what it would take to continuously drive down the price? IMO, I don't think as much $ as people are thinking?  :(
Manipulated bitcoin price is quite difficult But Easily possible & Still Controled by big fish Trades & holders And They are still Doing. Do you have noticed bitcoin chart from January 2018 to till now? Understand anything? Everywhere  indicates manupulate!! They makes market billish and told us fairy story that Bitcoin is illegal, and so ban by usa, india or bla bla bla. Then people sell their share to save theirs balance and thus, result dump market. Then Big fish Traders Let us know,  Bitcoin have a great future etc etc and makes us crazy to investment in bitcoin  again. So Pump-dump Pump-dump Pump-dump is on and on and they makes profit from It(Us)
Yes mate justin999, whatever you have told, i am fully agreed with your opinion. Big Fish traders can easily control bitcoin price as like it is like A enjoyable Pump-dump game and they play it everyday


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: changxia on September 18, 2018, 09:29:18 AM
Have you ever thought that this is caused by whales or certain societies? When they want to take over Bitcoin at a lower price, they will first let the price of Bitcoin fall!


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: ngesotcoy on September 18, 2018, 09:36:34 AM
Have you ever thought that this is caused by whales or certain societies? When they want to take over Bitcoin at a lower price, they will first let the price of Bitcoin fall!
Yes, important is the financial power of the whales, they have the power to manipulate the market. If they hold 1 million Bitcoins, they can make the market crazy for long periods, so easy to bring down BTC price.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: Ctn on September 18, 2018, 09:44:50 AM
Well it is hard to say anything about the wealthy financial companies because the question is why would they invest into the crypto currency if their business is already running perfectly in the current financial sphere. They are big and they dont need the crypto currencies for growing their businesses to the next level. Also, note that though they enter the crypto currency market then I hardly think that they will be making any noise with the crypto pumps and dumps. Lets digest that they might be holding up he amount of crypto and thus even 1% rise and fall can make bigger changes in their crypto assets. So its always better to think positively about such organisation as they are also contributors of the crypto.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: hermankoles on September 18, 2018, 09:59:46 AM
when whales make excessive price adjustments I as a small trader simply hold a coin because the market will recover and the price will improve again, that's when I will sell. the easy analogy is when they try to press the market until the price falls the goal is to create panic sell which eventually they will buy more, after they feel full then the next wave of pump on the market will happen, there I will go with the flow to sell


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: posi on September 18, 2018, 03:04:45 PM
BTC is not easy to lower the price, now BTC is rising slightly and is the most potential coin on the market, maybe in a short time the price of BTC will go to moon
No doubt that btc was the most potentials cryptocurrency in the market that's does mean it can't be easily manipulated since it decentralized and like the OP said there are 10000btc shorts trading on exchange site acouple of weeks and a single whales can does that.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: perla on September 18, 2018, 04:01:40 PM
Have you ever thought that this is caused by whales or certain societies? When they want to take over Bitcoin at a lower price, they will first let the price of Bitcoin fall!
i think for now a lot of people already know about that. Not like in past when a lot of people panic when price up or down very fast. Now we traders will follow what whales want and not let them to only profit alone.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: gabmen on September 18, 2018, 05:41:18 PM
Have you ever thought that this is caused by whales or certain societies? When they want to take over Bitcoin at a lower price, they will first let the price of Bitcoin fall!
i think for now a lot of people already know about that. Not like in past when a lot of people panic when price up or down very fast. Now we traders will follow what whales want and not let them to only profit alone.

Yeah but still, i don't think whales are making any major moves yet but if anyone can affect the market that much it's them. They don't actually need any of us to manipulate the market and start either panic selling or fomo.i


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: reflector on September 18, 2018, 09:26:35 PM
Have you ever thought that this is caused by whales or certain societies? When they want to take over Bitcoin at a lower price, they will first let the price of Bitcoin fall!
Already we are experience in previous dump so Mt.gox is sell number of coins in single shot so total market was down in that time. But current scenario no need to depends on the prices because we are all stay in a dip.
 I think future raise and fall are depends on our own risk and I hope market will never bring down strongly so we should move forward in future so we never worried about Bitcoin.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: avonka on September 18, 2018, 10:27:29 PM
The crypto lives it`s early stages and the market is still young, small and can be manipulated easily by whales. We can not do anything against it, just ride the crypto waves and make some profit out of it. Volatility is not a bad thing if we can use it to  our advantage.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: Ucy on September 18, 2018, 10:40:50 PM
It can be brought down through complicated and subtle means...you won't even realize it until you pay close attention. I believe this is easier on centralized exchanges.

Developers could effectively avoid market manipulation by avoiding/restricting the listing of their coins on all of such public exchanges and possibly create their own mini exchanges where their coins can be traded. But this may not be a good idea for Cryptocurrency due to its important values of decentralization and permissionless. Maybe used as a temporal measure until normalcy is restored?


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: bravehearth0319 on September 18, 2018, 11:22:02 PM
One of the properties of BTC is its volatility. This makes BTC a high risk and high profit investment. The down market may be associated with panic selling or manipulation. Really hard to predict to price.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: ngefek berat on September 20, 2018, 05:06:52 PM
I think the price of bitcoin cannot be separated from the demand and supply every time so that the current bad conditions must be made as a challenge to patience for traders to keep maximizing the opportunity obtain a profit.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: Knabu on September 20, 2018, 05:18:44 PM
Would we ever be able to see (know when) wealthy finance companies working together to buy and sell bitcoin (lower), deliberately throwing money away to lower the price? Add in the $ that's made from shorting the coins (btc & eth shorts have record highs), and they can minimize their losses. No regulation, collectively billions to throw towards the cause, makes for an easy way to manipulate the price downward.

With no regulation (anyone can buy and sell any amount) and the majority of BTC trading volume being worthless (traders and bots running trying to buy and sell enough to make a few bucks), how much selling would it really take to continuously drop the price?

There was a record breaking 10,000 BTC short placed earlier in the week, just before the recent selloff dropped the price. Who knew? The sellers
Taking into account the $ made on the shorting btc and eth, does anyone know what it would take to continuously drive down the price? IMO, I don't think as much $ as people are thinking?  :(

Like most things in the world, everything becomes alot easier when you've enough capital to pave the way. Bringing Bitcoins price down is no problem for whales holding multiple hundred millions worth of Bitcoins in their wallets. That's why people tend to follow their wallets activity and even have bots to give warning when there's movement happening between the wallet and exchanges.

Liquidity solves this problem quite handily, it's alot easier to manipulate low liquidity markets where the orderbooks are extremely thin compared to traditional markets.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: raven7886 on September 21, 2018, 03:29:18 PM
Would we ever be able to see (know when) wealthy finance companies working together to buy and sell bitcoin (lower), deliberately throwing money away to lower the price? Add in the $ that's made from shorting the coins (btc & eth shorts have record highs), and they can minimize their losses. No regulation, collectively billions to throw towards the cause, makes for an easy way to manipulate the price downward.

With no regulation (anyone can buy and sell any amount) and the majority of BTC trading volume being worthless (traders and bots running trying to buy and sell enough to make a few bucks), how much selling would it really take to continuously drop the price?

There was a record breaking 10,000 BTC short placed earlier in the week, just before the recent selloff dropped the price. Who knew? The sellers
Taking into account the $ made on the shorting btc and eth, does anyone know what it would take to continuously drive down the price? IMO, I don't think as much $ as people are thinking?  :(

Manipulated bitcoin price is not easy, even they have big money and news sources to give impact into market users what you think is not right. If someone can do that I believe crypto is like stock, just need one call to create new price on broker market. Keep positive with bitcoin and just follow it, we will never become leader into financial instrument. Think again please.
Apparently, crypto is like stocks, and just a more digital version of it, since it is a global thing in this scenario. Manipulations are always going to be there and it is nothing new since it is a speculative market and how ever the big whales want it, is how they are really going to drive it. It is all about trading emotions on the chart for them.

However, this is just a way for them to gain huge position in the long run at the losses of the gullible ones, it is only left for each individual to make the decision on whether they want to be gullible or not.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: Bitcotalk on September 22, 2018, 09:47:53 AM
for someone like me it is very difficult to do, but not for big investors who have a lot of business networks, they can work together to drop the value of btc by making low transactions, so slowly the value of btc will surely fall, then they will buy more many of all people to create profits
Apparently, bringing down a boat is not something meant for small fishes and rather it is meant for big whales. There is so little anyone with a very tiny amount can do when it comes to bringing down the price of cryptocurrency.

The only thing you can do is to just be a participant in the movement of the market and trade based on some analysis and strategies you have, and asides that, you can do nothing. For a big whale however, bringing down the price as a result of the low trading volume can affect the price pretty fast.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: feelivent on September 22, 2018, 11:41:06 AM
Would we ever be able to see (know when) wealthy finance companies working together to buy and sell bitcoin (lower), deliberately throwing money away to lower the price? Add in the $ that's made from shorting the coins (btc & eth shorts have record highs), and they can minimize their losses. No regulation, collectively billions to throw towards the cause, makes for an easy way to manipulate the price downward.

With no regulation (anyone can buy and sell any amount) and the majority of BTC trading volume being worthless (traders and bots running trying to buy and sell enough to make a few bucks), how much selling would it really take to continuously drop the price?

There was a record breaking 10,000 BTC short placed earlier in the week, just before the recent selloff dropped the price. Who knew? The sellers
Taking into account the $ made on the shorting btc and eth, does anyone know what it would take to continuously drive down the price? IMO, I don't think as much $ as people are thinking?  :(

Actually, it can be difficult to know at any time the company, financial wealth, work together to buy and sell bitcoin (lower), the Current capitalization of BTC in particular and the electronic money market in general is still too small compared to other industries such as stock, forex, so susceptible to manipulation especially with respect to the company financial wealth. So now we are playing the game. Play their game due to their manipulation of the market.
Bringing down the price of bitcoin is easy but raising the price is difficult and the problem is this that investors want higher price of bitcoin so that would be able to make some money. Existing investors do not want lower price of bitcoin because they will lose their money. On the other hand I donít think that big finance companies will work together for bitcoin.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: Bittalk12 on September 22, 2018, 11:54:54 AM
If you have unlimited supplies of money to burn in cryptocurrency then it definitely are easy for them to dump the price specially if those manipulators are divided in to uncountable groups that will spread on all the exchanges. That is the true nature of trading. If you have all the wealth, the game will play on your hands and the winner will always be you. It would be nice if there is a concrete regulation that will minimize those manipulative acts in the market and also putting a limit on each trades might work.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: adzino on September 22, 2018, 01:47:07 PM
If you have unlimited supplies of money to burn in cryptocurrency then it definitely are easy for them to dump the price specially if those manipulators are divided in to uncountable groups that will spread on all the exchanges. That is the true nature of trading. If you have all the wealth, the game will play on your hands and the winner will always be you. It would be nice if there is a concrete regulation that will minimize those manipulative acts in the market and also putting a limit on each trades might work.
This is a free market. Regulations will only cause trouble and will end up creating centralization. How long do you think the whales will keep on manipulating the price? Like you stated you will need "unlimited" supplies of money to bring significant change and whales can never have unlimited supplies of money since bitcoin itself has limited cap.
But, still regulation is not the answer to counter price manipulation. The stock market is regulated, but manipulation still takes place. We just need to find better solution.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: Crypto_Spike_Factor on September 22, 2018, 02:26:45 PM
This is a free market in which are largely unpredictable. Do a lot of time in RnD. Im sure theres lot of situation will occur in your favor.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: farosa on September 22, 2018, 08:30:30 PM
BTC is not easy to lower the price, now BTC is rising slightly and is the most potential coin on the market, maybe in a short time the price of BTC will go to moon

It is possible to move the price depending on the value of the crypto market. At present, the value of the market is 230 billion and if we think, it belongs to the whole market, this numbers are so low. So, in order for Bitcoin not to move easily, the worth needs a lot more increase.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: tenakha on September 22, 2018, 11:46:20 PM
BTC is not easy to lower the price, now BTC is rising slightly and is the most potential coin on the market, maybe in a short time the price of BTC will go to moon

It is possible to move the price depending on the value of the crypto market. At present, the value of the market is 230 billion and if we think, it belongs to the whole market, this numbers are so low. So, in order for Bitcoin not to move easily, the worth needs a lot more increase.

I agree with you. If the value of the market increases, it will be impossible for the price to be dump-pump. Forex, stock market and others are difficult to move the price of the market because they have been available for a long time and daily circulations are more than trillion. For Bitcoin, value have been increasing every year more than before. Now it is in good status.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: kotajikikox on September 22, 2018, 11:52:32 PM
The price of bitcoin, this is of little interest. Most importantly, this is his function, which he can perform. I agree that volatility does not do him positive merit. Bitcoin is a system outside of any system. Speculation is a by-product, fully controlled by exchanges.



Yeah that's truly correct because of high volatile bitcoin fast to up and down their price, one of the reason of bitcoin price bring down is the fakes news specially if the news came from the rich and famous personality has an big influence for bitcoin bring down their price.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: Malandro on September 23, 2018, 03:06:07 AM
The price only moves on a trend when the market wants to.

It doesnít matter how much money a big player put on it to force some direction, if he is going on the wrong way,he will lose all.

So if the demand is weak, would be easy to take it down, but if you do it letís say under 6.000,00 could appear a big demand and spike the price much higher then your sell price. Short covering and holders working together can make such a ruge movement that coul attracts more buyers and Bul the market up again.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: Gleoth on September 23, 2018, 08:42:02 AM
"Easy to bring down BTC price?"

No as we know price slower and slower go down. Is huge resistant and always in November and December price go up of course we dont hit this level from last year but I dont expect lower market cap than 175 Bilions


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: udidrone on September 23, 2018, 02:47:27 PM
"Easy to bring down BTC price?"

No as we know price slower and slower go down. Is huge resistant and always in November and December price go up of course we dont hit this level from last year but I dont expect lower market cap than 175 Bilions
Just wait in a couple months more, i think a lot of people predicted that thing. it can be happen because they predict it with analyze from year to year. That is why i still hold my asset even not really much.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: ERossin on September 23, 2018, 03:02:34 PM
"Easy to bring down BTC price?"

No as we know price slower and slower go down. Is huge resistant and always in November and December price go up of course we dont hit this level from last year but I dont expect lower market cap than 175 Bilions
Just wait in a couple months more, i think a lot of people predicted that thing. it can be happen because they predict it with analyze from year to year. That is why i still hold my asset even not really much.

who can beat bitcoin down while some big hands joined this party at this time and who has much money to buy bitcoin from weak hands sold out ?
All bad rumors were released out from the big hands and they could make it and manipulate this market as well. we must be calm and careful before selling out our coins.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: udidrone on September 23, 2018, 07:53:42 PM
"Easy to bring down BTC price?"

No as we know price slower and slower go down. Is huge resistant and always in November and December price go up of course we dont hit this level from last year but I dont expect lower market cap than 175 Bilions
Just wait in a couple months more, i think a lot of people predicted that thing. it can be happen because they predict it with analyze from year to year. That is why i still hold my asset even not really much.

who can beat bitcoin down while some big hands joined this party at this time and who has much money to buy bitcoin from weak hands sold out ?
All bad rumors were released out from the big hands and they could make it and manipulate this market as well. we must be calm and careful before selling out our coins.
It always happen in past, bad news and people panic then sell their coins in a cheap price. But now people follow what big hands does, we no more sell out our coins and when they take profits, we can take profits too.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: DenCho? on September 23, 2018, 08:20:19 PM
Don't foget that we don't have so much liqudity to let huge companies manipulate price Just by making huge sales.

For the other hand institutionals don't have comfortable instrument to stay on this market yet. But when they Come there also Will be a lot of regulations to minimize manipulations.. I hope)


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: Xardasim on September 23, 2018, 09:42:44 PM
Easy to down and also easy to up  ;D

Influencing small volume tokens price is possible. As a matter of fact, it is possible to influence the price of everything, but it changes according to the money that can influence it. IMO one of them is Bitcoin, which is needed big money to influence its price.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: Diced90 on September 23, 2018, 10:09:29 PM
Absolutely, one can easily manipulate the market is he has access to sufficient funds to do so. However, I do not believe there is an entity.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: Congyang on September 23, 2018, 10:30:57 PM
lowering btc is very easy, it's only that we have big money and also dare to take the risk of buying large amounts of bitcoin will certainly be able to give effect to bitcoin including lowering prices. so I don't think it's hard to do.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: Clemcout on September 24, 2018, 06:26:32 AM
for someone like me it is very difficult to do, but not for big investors who have a lot of business networks, they can work together to drop the value of btc by making low transactions, so slowly the value of btc will surely fall, then they will buy more many of all people to create profits
This is the main problem that small investors do not put their money in bitcoin because of these whales. They influence the price so much that other is not able to make money from their bitcoin investment. This manipulation is normally not good for bitcoin because the investment capital is decreasing with the passage of time and it cause low price of bitcoin.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: Wall_Streeet on September 25, 2018, 01:31:16 PM
when you try to reduce the price of BTC, you can face interest at certain levels, because many do not place orders in advance, but place them at the moment of reaching an interesting price


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: Jeremiesaranza on September 27, 2018, 08:27:31 PM
BTC market cap is relatively low to other assets classes but it's not super tiny, still kinda hard to manipulate. XRP is more easier to PnD


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: deppil on September 28, 2018, 05:54:54 AM
BTC market cap is relatively low to other assets classes but it's not super tiny, still kinda hard to manipulate. XRP is more easier to PnD
Nope I've seen that bitcoin is number for big marketcaps in the world under the dollar? Marketcaps reach hundreds of millions of dollars for bitcoin alone. of course it will be difficult to manipulate that big marketcaps right? but the fact is the market is very sensitive with negative news?


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: Sanitough on September 28, 2018, 06:41:51 AM
BTC market cap is relatively low to other assets classes but it's not super tiny, still kinda hard to manipulate. XRP is more easier to PnD
Nope I've seen that bitcoin is number for big marketcaps in the world under the dollar? Marketcaps reach hundreds of millions of dollars for bitcoin alone. of course it will be difficult to manipulate that big marketcaps right? but the fact is the market is very sensitive with negative news?
It will be difficult if those who try to manipulate does not have a big percentage of the entire marketcap.
I am still believing that there are big organization of people who can make a manipulation, like what you said, negative news could be one of the causes
but the market will not move if the whales will make an action.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: irsykes on September 28, 2018, 06:51:46 AM
BTC market cap is relatively low to other assets classes but it's not super tiny, still kinda hard to manipulate. XRP is more easier to PnD
Nope I've seen that bitcoin is number for big marketcaps in the world under the dollar? Marketcaps reach hundreds of millions of dollars for bitcoin alone. of course it will be difficult to manipulate that big marketcaps right? but the fact is the market is very sensitive with negative news?
I think that all news is part of manipulation from big whale, they can spread fake news or good news if they want to get profit from panic people who affected by news. For now we people must stay if there are negative news come, and support when good news come.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: OrangeII on September 28, 2018, 07:00:54 AM
BTC market cap is relatively low to other assets classes but it's not super tiny, still kinda hard to manipulate. XRP is more easier to PnD
Nope I've seen that bitcoin is number for big marketcaps in the world under the dollar? Marketcaps reach hundreds of millions of dollars for bitcoin alone. of course it will be difficult to manipulate that big marketcaps right? but the fact is the market is very sensitive with negative news?
I think that all news is part of manipulation from big whale, they can spread fake news or good news if they want to get profit from panic people who affected by news. For now we people must stay if there are negative news come, and support when good news come.
you are right. sometimes there are so many believers with bad books, even though it is without a source, well, that usually happens by those who are still laymen in this matter. certainly not easy to make the price of bitcoin fall, but, when everyone panics, well of course it will be easy to see the price falling.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: rausvi15 on September 28, 2018, 07:17:03 AM
it's not that much easy to bring down BTC. This requires millions of $ to bring down the market buy selling btc at lower price is the only why to bring down or simple not to buy. If we put fear of loss inside the mind of crypto users it also make fall of bitcoin market. Game is not over here, hacking may have very adverse effect on bitcoin. Many investors lost their bitcoin due to hacking so if hacking will not stopped btc will be at risk. Now America is going hard on bitcoin due to some reasons which is why btc stuck at $6500. Don't know about SEC what exactly they want from bitcoin.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: wall101 on September 28, 2018, 01:46:21 PM
I think big investors can only answer this questions.Because of them they can bring bitcoin into a cheap price again if they want to dump their tokens and sell it once.But its impossible because so many people buying bitcoin now.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: spadormie on September 28, 2018, 01:58:10 PM
It's not. It is a combination of many FUDS and everything. That's what happened earlier this year. So, it might happened again. With a lot of fuds it will take the btc price down.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: kagawawa on September 28, 2018, 03:42:28 PM
Monetary and sensitive information also contributed to the fall in Bitcoin prices. But we have to look at Bitcoin prices quickly and easily. To show that it is very attractive to the community next to it. The rule of reversing is also faster.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: krauzzer02 on September 28, 2018, 05:42:19 PM
Crypto has been regulated to other parts of the world but that is right still some countries banned the use of crypto, easy to bring down prices? that will depend on the current situation and news that envelopes the crypto community, it not always dumping and decreases the prices are coaster for now but we may possibly see some improvements over to its price.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: drachman on September 29, 2018, 02:09:55 AM
You are simply talking about price manipulation by the whales which is something that by now, should not be anything new to anyone.

It has been said times without number that as long as this market is more prone to speculation than real demand based on real life usage, manipulation will always be a regular thing. You said it yourself, this is a decentralized, non regulated market, so what else would you expect?

The same set of people who drive it down which we call the bears and every other investor and trader follow put, are the same set of people who are buying and bringing about bullish sentiments with a rinse and repeat process.
While the manipulation of the whales is real, the manipulation is not as great as many people imagine, bitcoin is a very big market already, very few people around the world have the money needed to manipulate the price as much as people think that whales do, so it is better to try to find ways to become a better investor or trader than to try to put the blame on the whales.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: otundebis on September 29, 2018, 02:21:05 AM
Bitcoin can not be brought down easily unless of course if there is calculated and deliberate FUD attack in terms of speculations in the market price of bitcoin.  Bitcoin is definitely outside of any control of group of people or a single person!


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: visionE2 on September 29, 2018, 03:15:12 AM
The price of bitcoin, this is of little interest. Most importantly, this is his function, which he can perform. I agree that volatility does not do him positive merit. Bitcoin is a system outside of any system. Speculation is a by-product, fully controlled by exchanges.


that's right, high fluctuations make big negative thoughts for investors because they think it's caused by manipulation, but they don't look at the features that are in bitcoin, even though bitcoin was created for its features, not the price


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: wahyu wida on September 29, 2018, 03:47:17 AM
Bitcoin can not be brought down easily unless of course if there is calculated and deliberate FUD attack in terms of speculations in the market price of bitcoin.  Bitcoin is definitely outside of any control of group of people or a single person!
i think FUD happens mostly because there is negative news. with a large market capitalization of whales it is certainly more difficult to drive. but with their funds as if they were lured and news became their big capital


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: Question123 on September 30, 2018, 03:48:55 AM
If bitcoin price easy to down the price also is easy to increase the value of the bitcoin. The number 1 reason why the price decreased because of the panic seller but if many people will buy more bitcoin the price increase fastly. I hope the price will not decrease again.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: befriendmywater on September 30, 2018, 03:55:20 AM
I dont think it's easy to reduce or increase Bitcoin prices. Because it all takes great preparation and combination from many people to achieve the goal of pumping the price. I have been working in such a group and it is a very troublesome thing.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: Hasukodaki on September 30, 2018, 07:50:34 AM
can't say that bro. too hard to bring up price . but at this time i think bitcoin can't go down anymore


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: drachman on October 10, 2018, 03:02:32 AM
It's easy to bring down if you hold so much bitcoin that could drag the price down , and cause panic sell from weak hands. That's the problem of btc it can easily be influenced by fud and speculations. whales always win when they want to dump

The whales are very smart they understand very well that if they try to manipulate the market as much as you suggest they are going to be the ones that lose money because they are the ones holding huge amounts of bitcoin, so the manipulation of bitcoin and its price is a lot more subtle than what many people think, I really think that the whales instead of trying to manipulate the supply of bitcoin they could try to manipulate the news to make the price go up or down according to their wishes.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: jessica2020 on October 10, 2018, 06:51:23 AM
In my opinion, I think the big investors manipulated the price of the bitcoin. But it depends on the market if the price will down or rise again.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: wayancrypto on October 10, 2018, 08:39:01 AM
Bitcoin is currently have the biggest market cap between all crypto, i think only whales possible to manipulate the price. Many early adopter of Bitcoin bought alot of  BTC with very cheap  in 2010, and some of them holding about 1% of total supply so will be more easy for them to manipulate the price. 


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: katuhakuh on October 10, 2018, 10:56:48 AM
In my opinion it can happen in the market can be very high and even lower. But it's almost easy to say the price is almost stable. It would be better if there were rules that would minimize manipulation acting on the market and also limit any trade to succeed.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: InvestICO2L on October 15, 2018, 02:39:15 PM
BTC is not easy to lower the price, now BTC is rising slightly and is the most potential coin on the market, maybe in a short time the price of BTC will go to moon
Why will you say it is not easy to lower the price, when certainly a lot of whales are in the market and as long as you will get to see a lot of people who have huge funds coming together in a speculative market, price manipulation is something that can easily be got ?

Notwithstanding, it is part of every market as we will certainly see those with larger positions in a market making their own decisions based on market response and perception, and they simply are the ones we classified to as market makers, so they simply do exactly what they are called.

Indeed the price of bitcoin is too easy to have a decrease, I think so. Because as we all know that its fluctuation is really volatile within 24 hours, especially with the dump. Honestly the manipulation of the whales, plus FOMO that bring market down quickly. Even when the market has a slight decrease, maybe owning to the lack of knowledge which lead most people draw their mind in panic selling, well this is one of the worst thinking when market is on bad fluctuation. I suppose most people should learn how to manage in the crutch time in order that they will not participate on Dumping.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: DarkIT on October 15, 2018, 04:38:37 PM
In my opinion it can happen in the market can be very high and even lower. But it's almost easy to say the price is almost stable. It would be better if there were rules that would minimize manipulation acting on the market and also limit any trade to succeed.
simple to think about it. when you have lots of bitcoin, you sell it at a low price, and of course that can make the price of bitcoin go down. well, because it's a very good thing for bitcoin, sometimes when people make the price of bitcoin go down, others will see it as an opportunity. so, I think it will be real difficult, especially if you are alone.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: drachman on October 18, 2018, 02:19:38 AM
Bitcoin is currently have the biggest market cap between all crypto, i think only whales possible to manipulate the price. Many early adopter of Bitcoin bought alot of  BTC with very cheap  in 2010, and some of them holding about 1% of total supply so will be more easy for them to manipulate the price. 
It seems there is an impression that many early adopters are still holding their coins and that is simply not true, many early adopters sold their coins immediately or they used them to buy stuff back in the day, only the most fervent believers in bitcoin held their coins believing that something like this could happen anytime soon, so even if people do not like their influence they deserve it.


Title: Re: Easy to bring down BTC price?
Post by: Siren on October 18, 2018, 03:29:42 AM
Before doing this,couple of whales must have one stand to go together in that specific coin like bitcoin,we have same point of view how the big holders of bitcoin making the price grow or high in their own ways.how mny times we have seen this kind of happenings because sometimes price of bitcoin will pump hugely but all of a sudden in just a few hours goes down again drastically,even i have no proof of this accusations but this is happening mostly