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Title: Is this can be reported as Plagiarism
Post by: r1s2g3 on September 12, 2018, 05:03:27 PM

Some body created a post "https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5026914.0"  copied from other site but as a source OP just put a below disclaimer.

source : blockchainhub

My reasoning is that disclaimer does not help me to redirect to original article nor it is giving the direct path of the article. I somewhat assume it as a form of plagiarism, (Non clickable or no direct link.)

What you guys think of it? 



Title: Re: Is this can be reported as Plagiarism
Post by: mjglqw on September 12, 2018, 05:07:01 PM
Well, he/she did indicate the source per se; the sources was just badly listed. Would I call it plagiarism? It probably depends on what your definition of plagiarism is; but personally, I don't think it is as OP wasn't claiming or giving the impression that it's his/her content.

Correct me if I'm wrong.


Title: Re: Is this can be reported as Plagiarism
Post by: The Pharmacist on September 12, 2018, 05:08:02 PM
I wouldn't consider this grounds for a ban or anything, though I do think the member ought to be schooled as to how to properly cite his source.  The way he did it isn't just lazy, it's the absolute wrong way to cite a website from which you're quoting something.  The right way to do it is to provide a link to the exact page the quote comes from.  This should be obvious, but who knows what level of education this knucklehead has, not to mention where his moral compass points.

That's my opinion, but I could see how others might think this is at least borderline plagiarism.  I just don't think it goes that far, because he did make it somewhat clear that he isn't the original author of the post.


Title: Re: Is this can be reported as Plagiarism
Post by: JetAid on September 12, 2018, 05:13:07 PM
I agree with The Pharmacist, and I think the guy should add a comment and/or an original opinion about the article.


Title: Re: Is this can be reported as Plagiarism
Post by: r1s2g3 on September 12, 2018, 06:44:28 PM
User is already reported on LoyceV thread now by "o_e_l_e_o"

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg45588641#msg45588641

I do not know why o_e_l_e_o did not quoted the whole text, which give a hint that is copy pasted from blockchainhub.
Generally I report these article , that are just copy paste from source with OP has nothing to add, and Moderator generally remove also.

I will like to see with time how this case will be handled by Mod.


Title: Re: Is this can be reported as Plagiarism
Post by: bitart on September 12, 2018, 07:26:13 PM
That newbie will learn (if he/she wants to) how to quote from sources outside this forum as soon as this post gets deleted. And if he/she cares about that post (or the post quantity...)
I've also checked the previous posts in the post history, they are mostly in ANN or Altcoin discussion topics... maybe this was just a quick test to get a quick merit...


Title: Re: Is this can be reported as Plagiarism
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on September 12, 2018, 08:25:03 PM
User is already reported on LoyceV thread now by "o_e_l_e_o"

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg45588641#msg45588641

I do not know why o_e_l_e_o did not quoted the whole text, which give a hint that is copy pasted from blockchainhub.
Generally I report these article , that are just copy paste from source with OP has nothing to add, and Moderator generally remove also.

I think I had already reported before you opened this topic.

I didn't quote the entire thing because I never do when the post is paragraphs long. You can see that in my previous post in LoyceV's thread here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg45580937#msg45580937). It's unnecessary and just clogs up the thread.

In my view, it's plagiarism. He didn't link to a source, and he provided nothing of additional value. It would be the same as me just copying a comment and writing "Source: r1s2g3" underneath it. I'll also be interested to see if the mods agree with me though.


Title: Re: Is this can be reported as Plagiarism
Post by: swissgang on September 12, 2018, 08:46:09 PM
That is plagiarism, you can't use a whole of text even if you indicate the source, he or she does not even own a one sentence in the post, that's purely plagiarism.

''copying so many words or ideas from a source that it makes up the majority of your work, whether you give credit or not (see our section on "fair use" rules)'' plagiarism.org


Title: Re: Is this can be reported as Plagiarism
Post by: Harlot on September 12, 2018, 10:53:07 PM
He didn't outright copy and pasted the whole text and pretended that he is the one who made it so I think this is not a form of plagiarism but an example of a wrong way of citing the original source of the text. This could easily be fix if someome has posted commenting that he have wrongly posted the source or if you want to be notice you can pm the member itself for his wrongdoing. Remember that plagiarism is taking something that isn't yours and pretending that you are the original author of the work and he didn't do that directly.


Title: Re: Is this can be reported as Plagiarism
Post by: petyang12 on September 13, 2018, 01:55:22 AM
What about the account that has been banned but it's not plagiarism and the source link is provided? Is it fine if it were you? I think it's best to fully provided the link the user had copied the content or article he/she want to post so that other users can open the link and explore more or learn more about the topic that has been copied from another source.


Title: Re: Is this can be reported as Plagiarism
Post by: Steamtyme on September 13, 2018, 02:20:29 AM
I would report it and let the Mods decide. I think it's just another way for these copy/pasters to try and see how close they can go to the line before getting banned. I assume they are just trying to make the article appear as if they wrote it, but that they used the reference for source materials.

Personally I'd include members who do this with a proper source. It's just another way to boost their post count; and they are to lazy to try and write a post with a link to the site or provide anything of value.

The right way to do it is to provide a link to the exact page the quote comes from.  This should be obvious, but who knows what level of education this knucklehead has, not to mention where his moral compass points.

I'm going to assume if the guy can copy past an article, they should be able to copy the address bar. Like I said above it's like a toddler testing to see how far they can go before a "timeout". These "earners" are just seeing how close they can get to the illusion of well written creative posts, without doing any work and avoiding punishment.



Title: Re: Is this can be reported as Plagiarism
Post by: mu_enrico on September 13, 2018, 02:21:34 AM
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Plagiarism: MAYBE, copyright violation: YES.
If an article doesn't have a Creative Common License, then the article owner could issue a DMCA takedown notice.
IMO, verbatim copy paste should be avoided with or without the link to the source except you want to make a point about some specific part of the article.
Edit: this is good info https://www.lifewire.com/copyright-on-the-web-3466815


Title: Re: Is this can be reported as Plagiarism
Post by: athanz88 on September 13, 2018, 02:38:28 AM
That is plagiarism, you can't use a whole of text even if you indicate the source, he or she does not even own a one sentence in the post, that's purely plagiarism.

''copying so many words or ideas from a source that it makes up the majority of your work, whether you give credit or not (see our section on "fair use" rules)'' plagiarism.org

Yes, in a scientific world, it is considered as a plagiarism even if we did add the fully reference of the source. To make it as "not plagiarism" thing, one must make the work based on his own word even though he refer to other articles or news, and then you still must add the source.

I believe even in the internet world, it is still a plagiarism, and should lead to a punishment.


Title: Re: Is this can be reported as Plagiarism
Post by: hilariousetc on September 13, 2018, 09:34:35 AM
I wouldn't consider this grounds for a ban or anything, though I do think the member ought to be schooled as to how to properly cite his source.  The way he did it isn't just lazy, it's the absolute wrong way to cite a website from which you're quoting something.  The right way to do it is to provide a link to the exact page the quote comes from.  This should be obvious, but who knows what level of education this knucklehead has, not to mention where his moral compass points.

That's my opinion, but I could see how others might think this is at least borderline plagiarism.  I just don't think it goes that far, because he did make it somewhat clear that he isn't the original author of the post.

Agree with everything you said. Doesn't deserve a ban in my opinion, but someone should warn them about how to properly quote and source something if they haven't been already. If all his posts were just him sharing copied material (even with sources) I would usually just warn them about that. Not really much point in you being here if you're just sharing articles for the sake of it and it is usually just done as a way to get away with legalised copy and pasting.

That is plagiarism, you can't use a whole of text even if you indicate the source, he or she does not even own a one sentence in the post, that's purely plagiarism.

''copying so many words or ideas from a source that it makes up the majority of your work, whether you give credit or not (see our section on "fair use" rules)'' plagiarism.org

Yes, in a scientific world, it is considered as a plagiarism even if we did add the fully reference of the source. To make it as "not plagiarism" thing, one must make the work based on his own word even though he refer to other articles or news, and then you still must add the source.

I believe even in the internet world, it is still a plagiarism, and should lead to a punishment.

It's not plagiarism if you site your source, which he did.

Quote
the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own.

You're not really trying to pass the work off as your own if you provide the source, but in this case it wasn't done properly (or lazily).


Title: Re: Is this can be reported as Plagiarism
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on September 13, 2018, 10:13:11 AM
-snip-

Fair enough. I'll delete my post in LoyceV's thread and suggest OP lock this topic then.


Title: Re: Is this can be reported as Plagiarism
Post by: swissgang on September 13, 2018, 10:41:04 AM

That is plagiarism, you can't use a whole of text even if you indicate the source, he or she does not even own a one sentence in the post, that's purely plagiarism.

''copying so many words or ideas from a source that it makes up the majority of your work, whether you give credit or not (see our section on "fair use" rules)'' plagiarism.org

Yes, in a scientific world, it is considered as a plagiarism even if we did add the fully reference of the source. To make it as "not plagiarism" thing, one must make the work based on his own word even though he refer to other articles or news, and then you still must add the source.

I believe even in the internet world, it is still a plagiarism, and should lead to a punishment.

It's not plagiarism if you site your source, which he did.

Quote
the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own.

You're not really trying to pass the work off as your own if you provide the source, but in this case it wasn't done properly (or lazily).

That is pure plagiarism in academia but in this case I don't think it can be seen as a work since there is nothing belong to him in the post, he just share it, interpretation of plagiarism in the forum could be different I don't know but I wish he added at least some his own opinions regarding the article he shared.


Title: Re: Is this can be reported as Plagiarism
Post by: r1s2g3 on September 13, 2018, 01:19:49 PM

I think I had already reported before you opened this topic.

I didn't quote the entire thing because I never do when the post is paragraphs long. You can see that in my previous post in LoyceV's thread here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg45580937#msg45580937). It's unnecessary and just clogs up the thread.

In my view, it's plagiarism. He didn't link to a source, and he provided nothing of additional value. It would be the same as me just copying a comment and writing "Source: r1s2g3" underneath it. I'll also be interested to see if the mods agree with me though.

I am undecided to report for plagiarism so I did not checked LoyceV thread before opening this topic. I checked later that thread but anyways I encountered this type of source quoting earlier also and I need the views of Mods/ Community.
Though I am more inclined to report as plagiarism but general/Mod consensus ask to give a fair warning.

Thanks all for sharing the views.