Title: [Merit Analysis] Users ranked Sr. Member & up that have not earned any merit
Post by: vlad230 on October 01, 2018, 02:59:47 PM
I was challenged by a user yesterday, in my [Merit Analysis] "Self Made" Jr. & Member users that have earned merit (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5040227.0) thread and promised I would deliver by today. Since I'm a big fan of challenges, I couldn't refuse :D Here's what user cryptovigi asked me to deliver:
I like your analysis and have another challenge for you ;-)
Ranked Members - Member and above who was given merit airdrop (while introducing merit system) according to their ranks and didn't earn even one "by themself" this one maybe interesting!!!
So, let's see how this looks like in our forum. The questions I will find answers to are: 1. How many Sr. Member & up users exist that have not earned any merit?1078 Sr. Members
476 Hero Members
224 Legendary Members
There are 1778 users ranked Sr. Member & up that have not earned any merit, they just got "airdropped" merit from when the merit system was implemented. I was caught a bit off guard by this number, as I didn't think there could be so many users that have not earned any merit. This could signal some problems with the distribution of merit as these users should be knowledgeable enough to produce quality posts & get merited. Another possible explanation could be that some of the users here might not be active anymore, thus didn't come in contact with the merit system at all. Sadly, I do not have access to more information about the users like "last date active" to be able to produce more accurate data, yet. Since there are a lot of users and decided to limit myself to the post max size, I have analyzed Sr. Members & up. Let me know if someone would be interested in seeing the rest of the user categories and I will created another thread. 2. Who are the Sr. Member users that have not earned any merit?UserName Rank
$Darkloard$ Sr. Member
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Please let me know what you think. Have you expected these results? Also, if you have any ideas on what would be interesting to see related to users & merit, please let me know :) Disclaimer: 1. The merit data is the latest one, from Friday, Sept 28th. 2. The user data is from Sept 24th. 3. The user data is comprised of 29039 users that have interacted with merit in some way (received or sent).
Title: Re: [Merit Analysis] Users ranked Sr. Member & up that have not earned any merit
Post by: Findingnemo on October 01, 2018, 03:38:43 PM
I hope few of the members deserves merit even if they don't have any because as you said there will be problem in the merit distribution is still persists.But there were lot of high ranked members actually shared merits between their alts at the very beginning so if we don't have any airdrop merits since the implementation of the merit system the four digit number of users who don't have any merits yet will go to five digit number even.
Title: Re: [Merit Analysis] Users ranked Sr. Member & up that have not earned any merit
Post by: virendarnagpal on October 01, 2018, 04:04:43 PM
Nothing is 100% complete in this world. Whatever we create initially will be having some errors.
At the start there may be more irregularities but with the passage of time the drawbacks are identified and improvements are done. So after some time the the creators try to make their system more and more fool proof / efficient / error free.
Title: Re: [Merit Analysis] Users ranked Sr. Member & up that have not earned any merit
Post by: LoyceV on October 01, 2018, 07:04:37 PM
There are 1778 users ranked Sr. Member & up that have not earned any merit, they just got "airdropped" merit from when the merit system was implemented. I would have expected a much higher number. Apparently there's less high ranking (inactive or spamming) members than I expected. Can you also produce the numbers for Full Members? I was caught a bit off guard by this number, as I didn't think there could be so many users that have not earned any merit. Considering that less than 1% of all users has received Merit, the percentage of high ranking accounts is much higher. Of course, many of them had sMerit to share with their alt accounts too, which means "merit received" doesn't necessarily mean the merit was "earned".
Title: Re: [Merit Analysis] Users ranked Sr. Member & up that have not earned any merit
Post by: eddie13 on October 01, 2018, 07:18:56 PM
Something is wrong making your list incomplete.. Must not cover all inactive users..
I was just looking at kwukduck https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=654
Legendary, no merits, not on your list..
Title: Re: [Merit Analysis] Users ranked Sr. Member & up that have not earned any merit
Post by: DdmrDdmr on October 01, 2018, 07:39:20 PM
I think that the data in the OP is completely wrong. The lists are not members that were airdropped merit and have not sent any, but rather members that have given merit and not received any themselves.
I guess you wrote something like this on Piggy’s SQL:
select rank, count(*) nUsers
from UserData u
where (select sum(merit)from MeritData m where m.ToID = u.UserId)=0
group by Rank
or
select rank, count(*) nUsers
from UserData u
where not exists (select 1 from MeritData m where m.ToID = u.UserId)
group by rank
Rank nUsers
Brand new 4
Copper Member 9
Full Member 2424
Hero Member 476
Jr. Member 29
Legendary 224
Member 2811
Newbie 13
Sr. Member 1078
The UserData table has 29039 records, one for each user that has merited or received merit. Therefore, excluding the merited you get the meriters that have not yet been merited…
You cannot know who got an initial amount of sMerit (less of all how much on an individual level), since the formula depends on their activity during the year previous to sMerit System kick-off, and you cannot know this since there is no available full DB snapshot (not just merited) dating one year before and on the date of the merit system kick-off.
Title: Re: [Merit Analysis] Users ranked Sr. Member & up that have not earned any merit
Post by: vlad230 on October 01, 2018, 09:03:40 PM
I would have expected a much higher number. Apparently there's less high ranking (inactive or spamming) members than I expected.
Can you also produce the numbers for Full Members?
Sure, I'll create it as soon as I have some time on my hands, this week. Considering that less than 1% of all users has received Merit, the percentage of high ranking accounts is much higher. Of course, many of them had sMerit to share with their alt accounts too, which means "merit received" doesn't necessarily mean the merit was "earned".
Yes, there may be incomplete data in the UserData table so, there could be inconsistencies. Yeah... I agree with the "earned" part, for the sake of this experiment I considered all users to be fair and not cheaters. Obviously this can't be true :D Something is wrong making your list incomplete.. Must not cover all inactive users..
I was just looking at kwukduck https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=654
Legendary, no merits, not on your list..
Yes you are correct, that user is missing because it is not available in the DB. Unfortunately I do not control the DB. Most probably some users are missing. If you do a simple search in the DB, you won't find any data for him in the UserData table: SELECT * FROM UserData WHERE UserName = 'kwukduck'
Good catch though :) If you search for mine, you'll get a result: SELECT * FROM UserData WHERE UserName = 'vlad230'
I think that the data in the OP is completely wrong. The lists are not members that were airdropped merit and have not sent any, but rather members that have given merit and not received any themselves.
I guess you write something like this on Piggy’s SQL:
select rank, count(*) nUsers
from UserData u
where (select sum(merit)from MeritData m where m.ToID = u.UserId)=0
group by Rank
or
select rank, count(*) nUsers
from UserData u
where not exists (select 1 from MeritData m where m.ToID = u.UserId)
group by rank
[..]
I understand your concerns but I believe my queries are correct. I'm using a more complicated approach, research SQL JOINS. It should be easy to check though, if you find any user listed in the OP that has received merit prior to Sept 28th (latest merit data date) then I'm wrong :) Regarding the queries you listed there, I'm sorry to say they are wrong. The first issue I see, is that you're trying to sum() something which does not exist (merit received for these users). You cannot know who got an initial amount of sMerit (less of all how much on an individual level), since the formula depends on their activity during the year previous to sMerit System kick-off, and you cannot know this since there is no available full DB snapshot (not just merited) dating one year before and on the date of the merit system kick-off.
Yes, that's true you don't have that info but you need to see it in a different way. We don't have any records of the initial merit that was airdropped but we do have the ranks of the users already so, that means they received airdropped merit (since they already have a higher rank) and we don't care how much they received either. Also, we need to keep into account that they didn't earn any merit and still have a higher rank. Let me know if you have any questions.
Just wanted to add that Piggy's tool is really nice but I could create far more complex data analysis queries if I had more data for the user table like activity, post count, latest date active, registered date etc. I hope he will add them soon but I know the limitation here is the size of the DB that is stored for free on github .
Title: Re: [Merit Analysis] Users ranked Sr. Member & up that have not earned any merit
Post by: cryptovigi on October 01, 2018, 10:01:21 PM
...
I was challenged by a user yesterday, in my [Merit Analysis] "Self Made" Jr. & Member users that have earned merit (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5040227.0) thread and promised I would deliver by today. Since I'm a big fan of challenges, I couldn't refuse :D
...
Man you are great!!! As I see you are really fan of stats!!! Anyway great work and thanks for taking my challenge... I find this results quite interesting... I'd like to play myself with such database... Few days ago i fonud only Bitcointalk Merit Dashboard (http://Bitcointalk Merit Dashboard) by DdmrDdmr but the problem was i could download data to make some analysis on my own only in pdf format ;-( (which sucks for such purposes). Today I read here about Piggy's SQL https://albertoit.github.io/Merit-Explorer-SQL/ (https://albertoit.github.io/Merit-Explorer-SQL/) - I understand that this is the source of your analysys?
Title: Re: [Merit Analysis] Users ranked Sr. Member & up that have not earned any merit
Post by: Quickseller on October 01, 2018, 11:49:02 PM
I think your list might be incomplete. See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=357263 a hero user who has not received any merit but is not on the list.
I suspect the number is far greater than what you say. If memory serves me correctly, well under 1% of all active accounts have received at least one merit as of a month or two ago.
Title: Re: [Merit Analysis] Users ranked Sr. Member & up that have not earned any merit
Post by: TeQuiero on October 02, 2018, 04:16:39 AM
Please let me know what you think. Have you expected these results?
Also, if you have any ideas on what would be interesting to see related to users & merit, please let me know :)
It took me 20-minute surfing some topics in Altcoin Discussion and I found this result. All are hero-ranked, established citizens of Altcoin Discussion board, without a single merit from default and not included in your list: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=332316 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=370057 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=849498 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=524153 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=194388 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=105609 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=454 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=142423 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=549786 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=290496 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=372130 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=539927 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=91051 I believe the real numbers are much more larger than your result. Besides, I think there should be a demoting policy to these members. Look at their post histories, you'll see that all of their posts are in mega spam threads.
Title: Re: [Merit Analysis] Users ranked Sr. Member & up that have not earned any merit
Post by: mu_enrico on October 02, 2018, 05:04:58 AM
You know what is more interesting? Demoting them back to newbie ;D
Title: Re: [Merit Analysis] Users ranked Sr. Member & up that have not earned any merit
Post by: DdmrDdmr on October 02, 2018, 06:32:10 AM
<…>I understand your concerns but I believe my queries are correct. I'm using a more complicated approach, research SQL JOINS.<...>
Maybe I didn’t explain my point clear enough. Let’s put it this way: What your OP wants to list: “Ranked Members - Member and above who was given merit airdrop (while introducing merit system) according to their ranks and didn't earn even one "by themself" this one maybe interesting!!!” What you are really listing: Members in the UserData table, that have not earned a single merit. Now the key is in understanding what is in the UserData table: I use a very similar table as @Piggy’s, with exactly the same number of records: 29.039.Those 29.039 people in the table are those involved in a sMerit TX at any point in history. That is, those that have either sent sMerit, receives sMerit, or both. Any user that has never sent nor received sMerit is not in the UserData table, which is likely the majority of cases that you are looking for. So my point is that you are listing a different set of users to the intended objective (a subset really). Note: There’s nothing wrong with Piggy’s database (it's rather similar to mine). It’s a good starting point for people that want to query and not download data themselves, buy we need to understand exactly what the tables hold. It is not a SQL issue, but a comprehension on the data in the DB.
Title: Re: [Merit Analysis] Users ranked Sr. Member & up that have not earned any merit
Post by: vlad230 on October 02, 2018, 07:38:41 AM
I think your list might be incomplete. See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=357263 a hero user who has not received any merit but is not on the list.
I suspect the number is far greater than what you say. If memory serves me correctly, well under 1% of all active accounts have received at least one merit as of a month or two ago.
Yeah, please refer to the previous posts. I have checked the UserData table, as DdmrDdmr said, it has only 29039 records which is a lot less that the current 2 mil members. @Piggy, any chance we could have a more detailed UserData table to be able to extract more information? I can also help with this task. So, indeed, a lot of users are missing from the DB and this could only reflect a small portion of the users. I have updated the disclaimer. Man you are great!!! As I see you are really fan of stats!!!
Anyway great work and thanks for taking my challenge... I find this results quite interesting...
I'd like to play myself with such database... Few days ago i fonud only Bitcointalk Merit Dashboard (http://Bitcointalk Merit Dashboard) by DdmrDdmr but the problem was i could download data to make some analysis on my own only in pdf format ;-( (which sucks for such purposes).
Today I read here about Piggy's SQL https://albertoit.github.io/Merit-Explorer-SQL/ (https://albertoit.github.io/Merit-Explorer-SQL/) - I understand that this is the source of your analysys?
Thanks a lot! Yes, that's where I'm getting the stats from. What you are really listing:
Members in the UserData table, that have not earned a single merit. Now the key is in understanding what is in the UserData table:
I use a very similar table as @Piggy’s, with exactly the same number of records: 29.039.Those 29.039 people in the table are those involved in a sMerit TX at any point in history. That is, those that have either sent sMerit, receives sMerit, or both.
Any user that has never sent nor received sMerit is not in the UserData table, which is likely the majority of cases that you are looking for.
So my point is that you are listing a different set of users to the intended objective (a subset really).
Note: There’s nothing wrong with Piggy’s database (it's rather similar to mine). It’s a good starting point for people that want to query and not download data themselves, buy we need to understand exactly what the tables hold. It is not a SQL issue, but a comprehension on the data in the DB.
Ok, I understand what you're saying now and yes, you are correct. The SQL is correct but the DB is not listing every user, I wasn't aware of this. Anyways, even if this is a subset of the data here, we still have an idea on what is going on. You know what is more interesting? Demoting them back to newbie ;D
I wouldn't go that far... They hanged on here for years and raised the activity. That has to be worth something.
Title: Re: [Merit Analysis] Users ranked Sr. Member & up that have not earned any merit
Post by: LoyceV on October 02, 2018, 08:07:53 AM
I use a very similar table as @Piggy’s, with exactly the same number of records: 29.039.Those 29.039 people in the table are those involved in a sMerit TX at any point in history. That is, those that have either sent sMerit, receives sMerit, or both. This makes sense. It also means my initial assumption that I expected much higher numbers was correct. I could quite easily produce a complete list of all higher ranked accounts with no Merit, especially since the number of accounts involved will never go up again, but I don't really want to download 2.5 million profiles just for this. It doesn't feel right to download 120 GB from the forum for something that isn't really important. Maybe @Vod can provide a list of all user ranks since the Merit system, it would be easy to cross-reference this list with the list of merit receivers.
Title: Re: [Merit Analysis] Users ranked Sr. Member & up that have not earned any merit
Post by: Veleor on October 02, 2018, 11:49:07 AM
4. Who are the Legendary users that have not earned any merit?UserName Rank
10000usdperbtc Legendary
2double0 Legendary
50cent_rapper Legendary
5ick3uffalo Legendary
7788bitcoin Legendary
A L I E N Legendary
AcoinL.L.C Legendary
Akka Legendary
Amel Legendary
Anarchy101 Legendary
AngusCanine Legendary
Asatur Legendary
BCEmporium Legendary
Bimmerhead Legendary
BitCoinNutJob Legendary
BitNow Legendary
BitcoinEXpress Legendary
Boussac Legendary
CrackedLogic Legendary
DGulari Legendary
Dewi Aries Legendary
Dogedigital Legendary
Dotto Legendary
Dux2K Legendary
Emerge Legendary
FlensGold Legendary
Geenstijl Legendary
GhostPlayer Legendary
Gianluca95 Legendary
Gizfreak Legendary
Googlulinks Legendary
GreatOrchid Legendary
Griffith Legendary
HappyS Legendary
Hyperjacked Legendary
IBGigglin Legendary
IMZ Legendary
Jasad Legendary
Jayjay04 Legendary
Kepasa Legendary
Kupsi Legendary
Kushedout Legendary
LastClingon Legendary
Lebubar Legendary
MaRSe Legendary
Matt9301 Legendary
Mervyn_Pumpkinhead Legendary
MickGhee Legendary
Micky25 Legendary
MinermanNC Legendary
Monnt Legendary
MonsterV Legendary
MsCollec Legendary
Nahl Legendary
ONLYfree Legendary
Paraka Legendary
Patel Legendary
Pipesnake Legendary
Prelude Legendary
Republikcoin.com Legendary
RoooooR Legendary
Shkembe Legendary
SmartIphone Legendary
Snail2 Legendary
Southpaw0 Legendary
Strongkored Legendary
SwingFirst Legendary
Tauja Legendary
Taxidermista Legendary
TheKoziTwo Legendary
Tony116 Legendary
Tyke Legendary
Undermood Legendary
Winner Legendary
Wusolini Legendary
YarkoL Legendary
Zadicar Legendary
Zicadis Legendary
Zich Legendary
Zombie123 Legendary
ZyTReX Legendary
ahmedjadoon Legendary
aikklond Legendary
aistto Legendary
aleandromagno Legendary
andulolika Legendary
anirgu Legendary
anref Legendary
anticlimax Legendary
bassdude Legendary
benthach Legendary
bitcon Legendary
bithalo Legendary
bitmaster1x Legendary
bittaitaliana Legendary
bitwho Legendary
bms2013 Legendary
boestin Legendary
brian_nguyen Legendary
bspus Legendary
buygazprom Legendary
cagrund Legendary
chryspano Legendary
corather Legendary
crunck Legendary
dadingsda Legendary
danherbias07 Legendary
dave111223 Legendary
david1365 Legendary
dbt1033 Legendary
deblue Legendary
dimox Legendary
dinda22 Legendary
djnocide Legendary
dload.1 Legendary
dnaleor Legendary
dopecoindude Legendary
dunfida Legendary
e1ghtSpace Legendary
edmundduke Legendary
enhu Legendary
eroxors Legendary
escalicha Legendary
etoque Legendary
farl4web Legendary
flower1024 Legendary
frankenmint Legendary
gnargnar Legendary
goxed Legendary
grandFX Legendary
guigui371 Legendary
hahay Legendary
hazarun Legendary
hdd3go Legendary
helloge Legendary
hiddensphinx Legendary
hurricandave Legendary
ifightformerkel Legendary
innocent93 Legendary
ivan1975 Legendary
joele Legendary
johny08 Legendary
joksim299 Legendary
keithers Legendary
keyscore44 Legendary
killerjoegreece Legendary
klf Legendary
kondiomir Legendary
koshgel Legendary
kronkodil Legendary
lionheart78 Legendary
liteon Legendary
logocreator Legendary
lolxxxx Legendary
lottery248 Legendary
louiseth1 Legendary
lowbander80 Legendary
makishart Legendary
malekbaba Legendary
mamamae Legendary
mastertrader777 Legendary
matveevka Legendary
maxll Legendary
maza5 Legendary
mettalmag Legendary
michietn94 Legendary
moppang Legendary
moxl Legendary
nekochan05 Legendary
neolinkhati Legendary
nizamcc Legendary
numismatist Legendary
ny2cafuse Legendary
oli123123 Legendary
pandacoin Legendary
pbleak Legendary
pickupcoin Legendary
piebeyb Legendary
polynesia Legendary
qwed Legendary
rdnkjdi Legendary
reb0rn21 Legendary
redjedievolution Legendary
roadbits Legendary
rodrigobitcoin Legendary
s1ng Legendary
sana54210 Legendary
sardokan Legendary
schnötzel Legendary
serje Legendary
server Legendary
shaklov Legendary
silverbox Legendary
snipsnoop Legendary
splawik21 Legendary
srgkrgkj Legendary
stahanovec Legendary
supermoney Legendary
sureshnsnet Legendary
tair85 Legendary
takagari Legendary
tarmi Legendary
the_poet Legendary
thefunkybits Legendary
tiggytomb Legendary
tiozes Legendary
tobeaj2mer01 Legendary
toptek Legendary
uki Legendary
unamis76 Legendary
usao Legendary
varanvaran Legendary
viboracecata Legendary
vladimirushev Legendary
vokain Legendary
wachtwoord Legendary
wadili89 Legendary
winter Legendary
wonko86 Legendary
wpalczynski Legendary
wuqing78 Legendary
xsentus Legendary
yslyung Legendary
zork Legendary
Three legendaries from the list have been banned: [BPIP (https://bpip.org/profilearchive.aspx?p=10000usdperbtc) ] 10000usdperbtc (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=182922) [BPIP (https://bpip.org/profilearchive.aspx?p=chryspano) ] chryspano (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=87190) [BPIP (https://bpip.org/profilearchive.aspx?p=hdd3go) ] hdd3go (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=190399)
Title: Re: [Merit Analysis] Users ranked Sr. Member & up that have not earned any merit
Post by: manfredmann on October 02, 2018, 02:35:04 PM
I was really inspired by your post especially in technical aspects. If you may I would like to ask you on how did you extract the data for this forum? Is it really alright for the admin if one will going to do like this? I am not against this type of post taking some technical aspects of the forum in fact I was curios on one how to extract data for this forum? Is the forum not secured and could be access its system or breaching the system?
Title: Re: [Merit Analysis] Users ranked Sr. Member & up that have not earned any merit
Post by: vlad230 on October 02, 2018, 06:26:11 PM
I was really inspired by your post especially in technical aspects. If you may I would like to ask you on how did you extract the data for this forum? Is it really alright for the admin if one will going to do like this? I am not against this type of post taking some technical aspects of the forum in fact I was curios on one how to extract data for this forum? Is the forum not secured and could be access its system or breaching the system?
There is a public data dump which was published (it gets refreshed every Friday). Piggy took it and created a MySQL DB from it & a basic UI to query it here: https://albertoit.github.io/Merit-Explorer-SQL/ If you're not familiar with SQL you can find a lot about it online. It's the most common DB querying language available right now. A good place to start would be: https://www.w3schools.com/sql/
Title: Re: [Merit Analysis] Users ranked Sr. Member & up that have not earned any merit
Post by: vphasitha01 on October 02, 2018, 06:33:03 PM
You know what is more interesting? Demoting them back to newbie ;D
I wouldn't go that far... They hanged on here for years and raised the activity. That has to be worth something. I don't agree with both of you because just hanging on here but not giving anything to other members for years wouldn't mean anything at all to me. Demoting them back to the newbies by just simply disregarding the activity they achieved through their career is not an option too. What I think is the answer is laying between above two options. How about if we implement a system for trigger( having opptunity to award merits)the airdrop merits only when a user earned some predefined merits. By that way we can reduse most of the merit abuse cases where users tends to giving away merits for their alt accounts. Any user that has never sent nor received sMerit is not in the UserData table, which is likely the majority of cases that you are looking for.
So my point is that you are listing a different set of users to the intended objective (a subset really). I don't know why people are so worrying and anylizing about the never sent portion since it's nothing to do with the number of users ranked Sr. Members & up that have not earned any merit. Why we just couldn't consider the received sMerits part only because I have seen that some members still didn't shared their intial airdrop merits at least once.
Title: Re: [Merit Analysis] Users ranked Sr. Member & up that have not earned any merit
Post by: cryptovigi on October 04, 2018, 12:17:36 AM
1. How many Sr. Member & up users exist that have not earned any merit?1078 Sr. Members
476 Hero Members
224 Legendary Members
There are 1778 users ranked Sr. Member & up that have not earned any merit, they just got "airdropped" merit from when the merit system was implemented. ... As you know I was the one who challenged vlad230 to make this analysis. Unfortunately I’ve read that this results due to a limited only data source (only given and received merits) its results may be far from the reality. I was really interested in the results, so I was looking for a way to make this analysis in a more appropriate way. I didn’t find a database which contains all users who was airdropped a merit, I didn’t find also a database with current number of users and their ranks and the number of merits held…. But I found some further threads by mazdafunsun who scraped first 2 million users of Bitcointalk in July this year https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4901670.0;all (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4901670.0;all) and decided to take take this numbers to make some comparison…. I took this number than checked how many users has ranked up since July. To check it I took all users who has received any merit from https://albertoit.github.io/Merit-Explorer-SQL/ than checked current merit number on the bitcointalk.com site. After deduction I got the number of airdropped merit to each user (who have received at least one merit). Then I checked once again on merit explorer number of merit given till July. Thanks to that I was able to correct mazdafunsun’s result with rank promotions by merit since July (there still be some inaccuracy because probably some users has been promoted since July by activity, unfortunately I have no way to check it...) After comparing these results with given merit in merit explorer I’ve received such set of data: | Rank | number of users | number of users
received at least
1 merit
| number of users
with who didn’t
earn any merit
| | Member | 27 918 | 4 744 (17%) | 23 174 (83%) | | Full Member | 18 181 | 3 173 (17,45%) | 15 008 (82,55%) | | Sr. Member | 9 016 | 1 818 (20,16%) | 7 198 (79,84%) | | Hero Member | 4 143 | 1 105 (26,67%) | 3 038 (73,33%) | | Legendary | 2 145 | 1 133 (52,82%) | 1 012 (47,18%) |
As you can see, my results differ significantly from vlad230's and the numbers are few times bigger. @vlad230: I think that case you should update numbers or description in your opening post...
It looks like there are really plenty of high ranked users who hasn't earn even one merit yet. Probably some of them are "dead souls" - users who aren't active for many month or even years, but for sure there are as well a lot of "ranked" users who simply didn't deserved any merit yet. This number decreases (percentage) with the increase of rhe rank, but its level in all groups (maybe exept Legendary) remains high. So guys look at these numbers and be little more lenient for newbies and jr. members as you see the rank not always it determines their value...
Title: Re: [Merit Analysis] Users ranked Sr. Member & up that have not earned any merit
Post by: dumedoiiph on November 05, 2018, 03:34:04 AM
The results of merit data analyis made by @cryptovigi, shown that there are un-significant difference between lower- and higher-ranked users in the forum in terms of ability to earn at least one merit via their really construtive stuffs.
Only Ledgendary rank is different from other ranks.
It means there are so many shitty Senior and Hero users around the forum. They have been unable to earn at least 1 merit point almost 10 months after the day merit system and new rank requirements implemented.
Title: Re: [Merit Analysis] Users ranked Sr. Member & up that have not earned any merit
Post by: Direwolve735 on November 05, 2018, 02:00:22 PM
The results of merit data analyis made by @cryptovigi, shown that there are un-significant difference between lower- and higher-ranked users in the forum in terms of ability to earn at least one merit via their really construtive stuffs.
Only Ledgendary rank is different from other ranks.
It means there are so many shitty Senior and Hero users around the forum. They have been unable to earn at least 1 merit point almost 10 months after the day merit system and new rank requirements implemented.
Those seniors and heroes, who for almost a year couldn`t earn at least 1 merit, don`t worry about it at all. These are users who see their goal on the forum in participating in bounty campaigns. Senior and hero rank allows you to earn pretty good money. And since the majority of signature campaigns don`t require a certain amount of merit to participate (they pay attention only to the rank), its participants are well settled without merites, and see no reason to strive, since they are already in fairly good conditions.
Title: Re: [Merit Analysis] Users ranked Sr. Member & up that have not earned any merit
Post by: mole0815 on November 13, 2018, 07:38:24 AM
it is of course also a lot harder to get merit if you have a high rank. but it is also good if the sMerits are given to low ranks so that you can be promoted.
would it be possible to only consider users who have been online since the introduction of the merits (i.e. at the beginning of 2018) and also posted something?
i think the statistics might be somewhat falsified by orphaned profiles.
Title: Re: [Merit Analysis] Users ranked Sr. Member & up that have not earned any merit
Post by: vlad230 on November 13, 2018, 10:43:48 AM
it is of course also a lot harder to get merit if you have a high rank. but it is also good if the sMerits are given to low ranks so that you can be promoted.
would it be possible to only consider users who have been online since the introduction of the merits (i.e. at the beginning of 2018) and also posted something?
i think the statistics might be somewhat falsified by orphaned profiles.
The stats listed in the OP are about users that have interacted in some way with merit (either sent or received). You can't really tell how many users there are since there is no complete data base that holds all the users, to be able to cross reference and get everything.
Title: Re: [Merit Analysis] Users ranked Sr. Member & up that have not earned any merit
Post by: LoyceV on November 13, 2018, 11:18:27 AM
You can't really tell how many users there are since there is no complete data base that holds all the users, to be able to cross reference and get everything. Sure you can :D Piggy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=188198) created Open scraped data of all the users - SQL Lite DB - 2.437.064 users (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5066192.0) last week. I'd be very interested to see your statistics updated.
Title: Re: [Merit Analysis] Users ranked Sr. Member & up that have not earned any merit
Post by: mole0815 on November 13, 2018, 12:09:18 PM
it is of course also a lot harder to get merit if you have a high rank. but it is also good if the sMerits are given to low ranks so that you can be promoted.
would it be possible to only consider users who have been online since the introduction of the merits (i.e. at the beginning of 2018) and also posted something?
i think the statistics might be somewhat falsified by orphaned profiles.
The stats listed in the OP are about users that have interacted in some way with merit (either sent or received). You can't really tell how many users there are since there is no complete data base that holds all the users, to be able to cross reference and get everything. Thanks for the info. I didn't know that. will you still update the data (as noted by LoyceV)? i only ask because i posted a part of your data in the german subforum for information :)
Title: Re: [Merit Analysis] Users ranked Sr. Member & up that have not earned any merit
Post by: Netflixseller110 on September 30, 2021, 09:17:11 PM
nice to see my old.id in your list .Actually iam.old senior.member but my account got hacked so never used my merit or not I got any single.
Tried to contact Admin many time but no reply from 4years
:(
Title: Re: [Merit Analysis] Users ranked Sr. Member & up that have not earned any merit
Post by: Upgrade00 on September 30, 2021, 10:03:59 PM
Tried to contact Admin many time but no reply from 4years
:(
How did you try contacting the admin? If through PM, it's not the most effective way to get their attention to your issue.
Do you still have access to the email address you used to register? Can you sign a message from an old address posted on your account? The support for lost or hacked accounts (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5089777.msg48896084#msg48896084) is moving again and you can now quickly recover your lost accounts. If your account was hacked
Email recoveries...@bitcointalk.org, ideally from the account's email address. Include your username and a brief description of the details of how/when the account was hacked. A signature will likely be required (see below).
Title: Re: [Merit Analysis] Users ranked Sr. Member & up that have not earned any merit
Post by: Netflixseller110 on November 11, 2021, 11:13:13 AM
Tried to contact Admin many time but no reply from 4years
:(
How did you try contacting the admin? If through PM, it's not the most effective way to get their attention to your issue.
Do you still have access to the email address you used to register? Can you sign a message from an old address posted on your account? The support for lost or hacked accounts (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5089777.msg48896084#msg48896084) is moving again and you can now quickly recover your lost accounts. If your account was hacked
Email recoveries...@bitcointalk.org, ideally from the account's email address. Include your username and a brief description of the details of how/when the account was hacked. A signature will likely be required (see below).
i mailed through old mail but they asking a post with my btc adress posted .. but hacker deleted all my such type of post
Title: Re: [Merit Analysis] Users ranked Sr. Member & up that have not earned any merit
Post by: LoyceV on November 11, 2021, 11:57:56 AM
i mailed through old mail but they asking a post with my btc adress posted ..
but hacker deleted all my such type of post What is the account name? 4 years is too much for my own archives, but for instance archive.org might have what you're looking for.
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