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Economy => Gambling => Topic started by: clavigerous on October 15, 2018, 05:30:54 PM

Title: -~*´¨¯¨`*·~ Luck.Network ~*´¨¯¨`*·~- Blockchain Games Need Players |-o-| Please
Post by: clavigerous on October 15, 2018, 05:30:54 PM

Hello friends,

Thought it would be fun to host a casino machine. Set this site up as an experiment and learning opportunity. I'm thinking to control the house edge around 0% to 1%ish. I put a lot of efforts into this small operation. Hope you enjoy playing and this will turn into something positive one day. :)

Play Here >>> [ https://luck.network (https://luck.network) ] <<<

Title: Re: -~*´¨¯¨`*·~ Luck.Network ~*´¨¯¨`*·~- Blockchain Games Need Players |-o-| Please
Post by: Mirae on October 15, 2018, 05:47:52 PM

"As soon as Luck.Network receives the bet, it generates a random number and determine the winning condition"
how exactly do you generate that random number

Title: Re: -~*´¨¯¨`*·~ Luck.Network ~*´¨¯¨`*·~- Blockchain Games Need Players |-o-| Please
Post by: clavigerous on October 15, 2018, 05:55:26 PM

In php,

Code:

              $luck = rand(1, 10000);

              if ($luck < $chance * 100)
              {
                $betResult = 'won';

Title: Re: -~*´¨¯¨`*·~ Luck.Network ~*´¨¯¨`*·~- Blockchain Games Need Players |-o-| Please
Post by: milewilda on October 15, 2018, 06:12:22 PM

You place a bet by sending coins to one of the fixed addresses, each having various payouts. As soon as Luck.Network receives the bet, it generates a random number and determine the winning condition. You win the round if your random number is smaller than the chance number. If you win, Luck.Network will generate a winning prize transaction with your bet multiplied as set by the game. Refer to the game table for detail information on the odds and multipliers.

Smaller than the chance number?

Chance 25%, Win 395%
Chance 75.00%, Win 131%
Chance 93.75%, Win 105%

Odds arent too far if we compared to dice,but not really convinces me too play.

Title: Re: -~*´¨¯¨`*·~ Luck.Network ~*´¨¯¨`*·~- Blockchain Games Need Players |-o-| Please
Post by: seoincorporation on October 15, 2018, 07:07:48 PM

Quote from: clavigerous on October 15, 2018, 05:30:54 PM

Damn, I don't know where to start, you are just doing it terribly wrong clavigerous.

If you want people to trust in your site you need a real provably fair engine, you can't say the result is generated by a random number because that can be easily rigged.

Quote from: clavigerous on October 15, 2018, 05:55:26 PM

In php,

Code:

              $luck = rand(1, 10000);

              if ($luck < $chance * 100)
              {
                $betResult = 'won';

Code:

if ($betResult = 'won') {  $luck = rand(1, 10000)}

You see it?

Quote

There is no fee for playing the games. Luck.Network pays all the transaction fees of payouts.

You can't say that because users will have to pay the transaction fee every time they send a bet.

So, to end I would like to mark 2 points here, If you prove the casino have a bankroll and if you change that provably fair engine to a real one I will give a try to your games.

Good luck with this project and you still have a lot of work to do with it, no one says it would be easy to code a casino ;)

Title: Re: -~*´¨¯¨`*·~ Luck.Network ~*´¨¯¨`*·~- Blockchain Games Need Players |-o-| Please
Post by: earnadoge on October 15, 2018, 09:52:27 PM

I've seen more established sites that work like this, send to address and get paid on win, but they usually base the results on something provably fair, including the transaction itself. And it doesn't appear they have large volume, but I guess once in a while someone makes a huge bet, enough to keep the doors open.

Title: Re: -~*´¨¯¨`*·~ Luck.Network ~*´¨¯¨`*·~- Blockchain Games Need Players |-o-| Please
Post by: BTCevo on October 16, 2018, 02:02:52 PM

Quote from: milewilda on October 15, 2018, 06:12:22 PM

Yes, odds is not too far but the game is taking longer time than we did on dice. And most of all, there is no verifier that the outcome is a real one. Op should implement a verifier to verify all the bet so winning or losing will be transparant

OP, I just check on your site and it seems there is no last transaction on your site which people will assume that there is no player around here. How to check if our bet is being processed or not?

Title: Re: -~*´¨¯¨`*·~ Luck.Network ~*´¨¯¨`*·~- Blockchain Games Need Players |-o-| Please
Post by: BALIK on October 16, 2018, 10:20:42 PM

Quote from: clavigerous on October 15, 2018, 05:30:54 PM

This looks like a nice effort but you still have a lot to go if you wan to turn this something real that players will actually want to play. You need to at least have the fair provability in a more obvious way because otherwise, people get suspicious.

Title: Re: -~*´¨¯¨`*·~ Luck.Network ~*´¨¯¨`*·~- Blockchain Games Need Players |-o-| Please
Post by: clavigerous on October 17, 2018, 01:32:05 PM

Hi Friends,

Thanks for the awesome comments. Provably fair is implemented now. I have to agree that whoever invented Provably fair is a genius!

How to prove the casino have a bankroll?

Cheers

Title: Re: -~*´¨¯¨`*·~ Luck.Network ~*´¨¯¨`*·~- Blockchain Games Need Players |-o-| Please
Post by: Mirae on October 17, 2018, 01:36:06 PM

Quote from: clavigerous on October 17, 2018, 01:32:05 PM

Hi Friends,

Thanks for the awesome comments. Provably fair is implemented now. I have to agree that whoever invented Provably fair is a genius!

How to prove the casino have a bankroll?

Cheers

sign a transaction from the wallet that is being used for the funds

Title: Re: -~*´¨¯¨`*·~ Luck.Network ~*´¨¯¨`*·~- Blockchain Games Need Players |-o-| Please
Post by: kryptqnick on October 17, 2018, 06:21:55 PM

It is a good start, but you really should hire a designer to make everything looks nice and sweet. For now it's more like a student project, and reading bright yellow on black background is really hard. It might also make sense to implement smart contracts, so that all transactions are operated automatically. This would not work with bitcoin, though, and might be a tough task. But just look into it, okay? It will probably increase the trust in your project from crypto community. And more background and game-like interface wouldn't hurt. Good luck!

Title: Re: -~*´¨¯¨`*·~ Luck.Network ~*´¨¯¨`*·~- Blockchain Games Need Players |-o-| Please
Post by: seoincorporation on October 17, 2018, 09:59:50 PM

Quote from: Mirae on October 17, 2018, 01:36:06 PM

Quote from: clavigerous on October 17, 2018, 01:32:05 PM

Hi Friends,

Thanks for the awesome comments. Provably fair is implemented now. I have to agree that whoever invented Provably fair is a genius!

How to prove the casino have a bankroll?

Cheers

sign a transaction from the wallet that is being used for the funds

Yes, signing a transaction should be enough.

And i want to congrats you clavigerous, you apply all the changes i recommended, and now looks more like a true game. But i found another problem.

Your Max bet is 0.01, and the last bets board show a 0.02 bet, that shouldn't be played.

I have another question, if a user places 2 bets in the same transaction, your engine is ready to process them?

Title: Re: -~*´¨¯¨`*·~ Luck.Network ~*´¨¯¨`*·~- Blockchain Games Need Players |-o-| Please
Post by: clavigerous on October 18, 2018, 03:03:21 PM

The 0.02 bet of Golden Choice game was allowed because Golden Choice has maximum of 0.02. I think the engine now have enough amount to have good chance to cover all the winnings of that game. Maybe I should keep the max. same for all games, less confusing to users.

If user places more than one bet in one transaction, only one bet will be processed and others will be ignored. Support would happily refund the over-payment upon request.

BTW, a referral program is added now. If anyone would like to have some free passive income, please check this out:
>>> https://luck.network/referral.php (https://luck.network/referral.php) <<<

Cheers!

Title: Re: -~*´¨¯¨`*·~ Luck.Network ~*´¨¯¨`*·~- Blockchain Games Need Players |-o-| Please
Post by: seoincorporation on October 18, 2018, 03:16:28 PM

Quote from: clavigerous on October 18, 2018, 03:03:21 PM

Just to be clear, if a user places a 0.01btc bet under my referral link and it loses, i will get 0.0025btc direct to my addy, is that how the referral system work for your site?

Another cool thing you can add is the way to sort all the bets by addy. That will be really helpful for users if they want to verify if they are in profit for the long run.

Title: Re: -~*´¨¯¨`*·~ Luck.Network ~*´¨¯¨`*·~- Blockchain Games Need Players |-o-| Please
Post by: clavigerous on October 19, 2018, 02:38:44 PM

That is the basic idea. To be exact, the sum of all bets minus sum of all payouts and costs times referral rate:

Code:

while ($tx = mysqli_fetch_assoc($result))
{
	$betSum += $tx['bet'];
	$paySum += $tx['payout'];
	$feeSum += $tx['payout_fee'];
}
$houseGain = $betSum - $paySum - $feeSum;
$referral_pay = $houseGain * 0.25;

Title: Re: -~*´¨¯¨`*·~ Luck.Network ~*´¨¯¨`*·~- Blockchain Games Need Players |-o-| Please
Post by: stomachgrowls on October 19, 2018, 06:16:10 PM

Quote from: kryptqnick on October 17, 2018, 06:21:55 PM

You are right specially the Golden choice which do have a potato background. ;D This should be changed up too look it more attractive to the players because it turns out to be very
basic.

I have seen some bet histories but i do still wait up for the signed message of this gambling sites bankroll.

Title: Re: -~*´¨¯¨`*·~ Luck.Network ~*´¨¯¨`*·~- Blockchain Games Need Players |-o-| Please
Post by: seoincorporation on October 19, 2018, 06:17:10 PM

Quote from: clavigerous on October 19, 2018, 02:38:44 PM

That is the basic idea. To be exact, the sum of all bets minus sum of all payouts and costs times referral rate:

Code:

while ($tx = mysqli_fetch_assoc($result))
{
	$betSum += $tx['bet'];
	$paySum += $tx['payout'];
	$feeSum += $tx['payout_fee'];
}
$houseGain = $betSum - $paySum - $feeSum;
$referral_pay = $houseGain * 0.25;

I give it a try and I didn't get my referral profit.

The addy I used for the referral, was 1N9itxxxvcT9daQX1PwzhMaxprvsNHiqap and the bets a place with that referral was this two:

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/cdc92d103524e137a2b28cbdc732efe31ebcbb29fd75f234943e150c0b51e84a
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/e84ab0e7ed078bd26fc73b6baa2bcaf4b65df4f448a54508a35014afe85866f8

One of them win, and the other one loses

And if you see my referral addy is empty: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1N9itxxxvcT9daQX1PwzhMaxprvsNHiqap

Title: Re: -~*´¨¯¨`*·~ Luck.Network ~*´¨¯¨`*·~- Blockchain Games Need Players |-o-| Please
Post by: veleten on October 20, 2018, 11:37:02 AM

Quote from: stomachgrowls on October 19, 2018, 06:16:10 PM

Quote from: kryptqnick on October 17, 2018, 06:21:55 PM

it was supposed to be a potato gold :)
a very basic website, to be honest and please, show us the proof of funds
would be nice of you to include house edge calculations for every game you have and maybe introduce more fixed multipliers
basically, this is mini-satoshi dice with limited multipliers

Title: Re: -~*´¨¯¨`*·~ Luck.Network ~*´¨¯¨`*·~- Blockchain Games Need Players |-o-| Please
Post by: Patatas on October 20, 2018, 12:12:15 PM

Chill guys, you'll are going way too hard on an 'experiment' - You'll know it isn't going anywhere. :P

OP: Someone has already pointed out how you should be proving you have enough bankroll. When are you planning to do it? There is no point in doing all the technical stuff if you don't have money to pay back the winners.

Title: Re: -~*´¨¯¨`*·~ Luck.Network ~*´¨¯¨`*·~- Blockchain Games Need Players |-o-| Please
Post by: stomachgrowls on October 20, 2018, 12:15:40 PM

Quote from: veleten on October 20, 2018, 11:37:02 AM

Quote from: stomachgrowls on October 19, 2018, 06:16:10 PM

Quote from: kryptqnick on October 17, 2018, 06:21:55 PM

You can eventually make calculations of the house edge and i dont prefer to have any more fixed multipliers.It would be more appealing
if theres a slide about adjusting the multipliers rather than giving out 3 types with having significant odds but if we do really think over all
its just a small-scale blockchain game the main issue is funds plus the design.Owner should consider on whats our complain on here. ;D

Title: Re: -~*´¨¯¨`*·~ Luck.Network ~*´¨¯¨`*·~- Blockchain Games Need Players |-o-| Please
Post by: clavigerous on October 22, 2018, 04:18:07 PM

Quote from: seoincorporation on October 19, 2018, 06:17:10 PM

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/cdc92d103524e137a2b28cbdc732efe31ebcbb29fd75f234943e150c0b51e84a
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/e84ab0e7ed078bd26fc73b6baa2bcaf4b65df4f448a54508a35014afe85866f8

Hi seoincorporation,

I can see in the database both transactions are associated with your referral addresses. The server will sum up and pay you every month in one transaction. To be precise, one month after first referral bet occurs. If profit allows, we can reconsider the schedule.

You gonna like this. Each time an user is referred from your link, a cookie will be stored on their device for 30 days. During the 30 days, all bets will link to you. When they bet, the cookie is extended for another 30 days. So they do not need to visit your link again.

As many commented, the site really needs a designer's touch. I've been thinking and working on the 1848AD game over the weekend. If you click the [PLAY NOW] button of 1848 AD, a mini game will show up. Hopefully, mini games like that will make the site a little bit more interesting. If players like that, I would afford a good designer one day. ;)

Title: Re: -~*´¨¯¨`*·~ Luck.Network ~*´¨¯¨`*·~- Blockchain Games Need Players |-o-| Please
Post by: clavigerous on October 23, 2018, 02:06:28 PM

Here is a screenshot of 1848 AD gameplay:

https://luck.network/img/demo/1848ad.jpg

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Title: Re: -~*´¨¯¨`*·~ Luck.Network ~*´¨¯¨`*·~- Blockchain Games Need Players |-o-| Please
Post by: seoincorporation on October 23, 2018, 04:12:45 PM

Quote from: clavigerous on October 22, 2018, 04:18:07 PM

Quote from: seoincorporation on October 19, 2018, 06:17:10 PM

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/cdc92d103524e137a2b28cbdc732efe31ebcbb29fd75f234943e150c0b51e84a
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/e84ab0e7ed078bd26fc73b6baa2bcaf4b65df4f448a54508a35014afe85866f8

oK, I will wait for my referral profit, but i have to say it, you are using the wrong formula to calculate that profit. I would like to help you more, but i already work for an onchain casino and can't give you more tips or i will get in troubles.

So, good luck wiht your project and happy coding ;)

Title: Re: -~*´¨¯¨`*·~ Luck.Network ~*´¨¯¨`*·~- Blockchain Games Need Players |-o-| Please
Post by: clavigerous on November 18, 2018, 05:43:12 PM

Hello seoincorporation,

The first referral payouts have been made today.

Cheers!