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I don't know how you see this good news but I have been analyzing it since yesterday and I think we should pay attention to it.  Institutional investors are going to come into cryptocurrencies market with full force in some days and weeks to come.  To hold your bitcoin and others altcoins at this current uncertainty time is the right thing to do and if you have risked capital I will said it is wise to buy more. The news and its analysis is here http://cryptocoinjunky.com/why-the-worlds-largest-brokerage-made-the-decision-to-fully-integrate-crypto-after-1-year/. The pattern has been set and bitcoin may not go down beyond the current level.  Please note this is a personal views and not advice for you to make investments decision.

Did you read that piece by Michael Castillo yesterday about Fidelity creating an institutional investor crypto business? You could be right... you could be right.

I completely agree to above points, Bitcoin may not go down further and big institutions may come with force to buy cryptocurrencies, with increased value of Bitcoin, alt coins will also come into bull run, even ICOs will have high investments, complete bull run is on the way, as said above these are personal views only, always calculate risk before doing any investment.

It seems like a lot of big institutions are gearing themselves up for the next big crypto run with the incorporation of trading desks and acquisitions of crypto related firms. Hopefully that's foreshadowing an improvement in the current market trend.

Institutional investors have long ago started to come into crypto. It's not because (with the link you posted) Fidelity integrated the digital assets this week that's you can say "Now, Institutional investors will come"
Grayscale Investments is managing 8-9 cryptos for clients https://grayscale.co/about/ and it's not the only one

I'm still skeptical of the overall impact and level of this and there's nowhere concrete to evidence it. I feel like until cryptocurrencies are starting to be adopted in to everyday life with real use cases then institutional investors will keep at a distance. Cryptocurrency to many is still a very confusing and highly risky investment.

Instutional investors are definitely coming to the market, and they may trigger another bull run.

As much as I like the opportunity to make money, there is a contradiction in all this "love" from bitcoin community for those institutional investors. Wasn´t the reason for buying bitcoin gettting rid of institutional investors?


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Haha.. a slap right. When those enthuasiasts wannabees and trade the market that they don't have any idea how to do, will really cry for help. You just buy more and don't pump this by rumors. Believeeeee.  ;D

The way I see the whole thing is that we would still need the institutions investors as there are the one that can put very huge amount into cryptocurrencies market which in turn will make it become very popular among nor-cryptocurrencies enthusiast.  The institutions investors has that capacity to makes bitcoin accepted by the populace and governments which is what some of us desire. I reason along with you too and I think we are to adopt "wait and see" principle. If there are going to keep at a distance until the populace started to used bitcoin I believe that there will come in very  late!  The investors will always like to take the advantage of people ignorant in other to make profit from the market. Therefore,  the probability of keeping the distance might not be there.

If that rumors will come out to the public particular to what the enthusiasts said on public social media posts, which I thought it would be some fundamental part to help bull run initiate. As part of the whales strategy they'll be getting back again what they've planted, so after that massive downfall they should be recovering back again to a much higher profit gains. Those positive reviews will happen soon, and as price went higher and improve better we as holders should grab at a sustainable profit as well when that bull run came.

I think the big change of 2018 is that the market is more professional. It ceased to be dominated by dreamers and began to be composed of a percentage, although still shy, of institutions, large companies and VCs.

We have Fidelity and other financial industry giants creating tools and services. It's not just a matter of risky gambling and short-term investments. A company to create a new service needs planning and fulfilling a medium- and long-term potential.

This means that Cryptocurrencies are already part of the global market. You no longer can ignore or imagine that the value will reach zero.

The next step will be like cance. It will reproduce at an astonishing rate using its own cells in the global financial markets. And no one else will be able to stop.

Just as the internet has gradually broken down with all other media, telephone, radio, tv, newspapers, fax etc; Cryptocurrencies will forever change our lives.

grayscale is small potatoes. i mean, GBTC is literally in the pink sheets---not traded on any major exchanges. that's why silbert was able to get it off the ground without major regulatory hurdles (unlike the ETFs).

it's true that institutional investors are here to an extent. hedge funds have been entering the space since 2014. and the way algorithmic trading increasingly took over the market also suggests that institutional traders are in our midst.

that said, major investment banks are not investing in crypto. morgan stanley is clearing CBOE and CME futures for institutional clients, but they've said that activity has been low, and that they're waiting to see more interest from clients before launching their own swaps. blackrock's CEO said recently that its clients have zero interest in crypto.

so there's obviously a long way to go......

Agree with that. Alot of good news around crypto,  and this will create bull market  again.  Because all price crypto on the bottomed so many investor will interesting to put money in to crypto and promote the advantages of crypto.  Soon or later crypto will bull run again, crypto is young market and has big potential to be boom market.

Fundamental is all about rumors and created to take little opportunity make one change to get big money in one strike, in this situation rumors can't do nothing. Every day trust goes into another financial instrument like stock, currency and commodities. They take one big step to protect their asset from down trend. I believe that is only prediction and everyone can make it, but keep wait and leave is our option. You ?

Alot of upcoming good news on the crypto market but i dont know why the market does not respond. I think now "Buy the rumors and sell the news" is not work anymore, the investor and trader waiting for that good news to be real first and then they will but it.

All of those possible formulas that will create a price effect should be surpassed, particular on panic selling. When there's a positive feedbacks coming from legit media, I think that would help the demand to increase further. Problems on price development will be eliminated and more people wouldn't be hesitant in buying a digital currency asset.

Only prediction, can be true or totally wrong. Even this is positive news I believe can't make people replace their trust again, they need more than news. If this news can bring significant price action many people will not wait to invest/ trade again. Wait and see because we need proof not rumors.

It doesn't worked anymore because investors are getting smarter. No buying of news, sorry to say that. Yes, it could be that traders and investors chooses the wait-and-see attitude. But I don't blame them, though.

As for institutional money money coming in, I believed that they have been investing heavily in the market for the last couple of years. They might have been channeling it thorough hedge fund managers so we will not see the complete picture on how those funds are moving in and out of the market.

So they can come in any time they want with full force as the OP have said, specially in the last stretch of this year, specially with the BAKKT offering entering the picture in Nov/Dec.

Not all rumors and news will trigger a big reaction in the market. The market awaits for big news with the accuracy that can be accounted for. I am sure there will be news that will get massive reactions someday, whether bad or good.

That would be nice. But I really think that manipulators are waiting for some investors to turn their backs on crypto before they start to make the prices up again.

Its always good to see big companies to be interested in crypto and this is a big news, we certainly need the trigger to make the bull run and we have been hoping that new big investors going to put the funds into crypto, but I don't want to get the hopes high, like all of us know that sometimes the news can be deceive and it just some rumours, but I hope it really happen so it can trigger the bull market that we have been waiting for

There is no way people want to get into bitcoin world with ETF's and so forth and still keep the price at these levels.

If the big wall street companies and Korean markets and all that wants to get in than the price will get higher no matter what and for people like us that deals with the small amounts it will create an amazing market and opportunity as well. Do not think just the price also consider the jobs created in crypto market.

Right now, go out and see which companies are looking for "remote" works, there are plenty of them, considering we are still small in crypto company levels there will be a time when companies are looking for "crypto experts" which in reality basically people who has been around for couple years and just use them as workers in some sort of community manager type works. There will be plenty of works to go around which creates a crypto world for all of us.

It is even funny that these days, news are no longer being bought, and people would rather stick with price action than seeing news as anything they should be relying on in this space. We all know how some positive development have come up for a while now and the fact that the market has reacted opposite to it, so in a way, we will just be deceiving ourselves to think some fundamentals will work but it does not.

I just believe the market is moving based on how it just wants to move, or how the institution want it to move and nothing else, and for the most part of it all, probably until we start seeing a more matured market, before we may actually get to start seeing news bringing about anything when it comes to movement.

My opinion is we still have time for the bull run to begin because the prices were settled to some certain level so institutional investors may not get interested to invest now.BUt the bull run will begin sooner or later so as you said the right thing to do now is holding and buying the bitcoins for long term investment.

We know that there have two types of most popular analysis for cryptocurrency. Technical analysis and fundamental analysis. Fundamental is more useful for cryptocurrency. If we can see any big news for cryptocurrency then bullrun will come again.

Nobody knows sure, many scenarios possible during next few days, you are right anyway, congrats for the oost

Bitcoin is all about long time holding because the more you will hold the more price will be high and the more it will rise, bull run depends on the holders and seller, if we investors will hold our coin and try to buy more so price will not fall, it will only increase the number of investors and profit will get bigger day by day, to become a good investors you will have to learn when to buy and when to sell properly.

It's like waiting game for now and the traders are making profit because of the temporary news like this. Maybe some fundamentalist with hybrid strat buy on where they think is a good buy to bag more tokens. But yes eventually if manipulators move they can really make a price pump even in just a month long. That time we should be very vigilant and learn from the past.

A lot of people in the space are actually looking at the possibility of Bakkt bringing some growth to the space as the case may be, but all in all, there is actually a chance that we may eventually get to see the market in the long run, make some pretty good move upward anyway, and no matter the fundamental issue, we still have a growing market in our hands.

Also, I totally understand that for a while now, news has really not been very helpful, which is one of the reasons I feel that fundamentally, there may not be anything that serious actually in terms of comparing it with market movement,

I dunno if this is my bias talking - but wouldn't you think they would like to push it down a lil bit more to fill their arcs??

You are true, already after the price increase the reason will be found. Expecting the news of institutions caused the price to be stable. In my opinion a lot of people are waiting for this news, including me. But, it seems only to extend the time of decisions. It doesn't matter what they decide, Bitcoin will return to its price.

In my opinion this news

NYSE Parent Company Reveals Launch Date for Bitcoin Futures on Bakkt Platform (https://cointelegraph.com/news/nyse-parent-company-reveals-launch-date-for-bitcoin-futures-on-bakkt-platform)

can bring good things to bitcoin in the future, we will probably see higher prices


I also agree


after the fall from $ 20,000 to $ 6,000, people started to be afraid of buying cryptos and started not to have high expectations about bitcoin

I think that institutional investors have long entered the market and are waiting for the moment at which they will begin their vigorous actions on the market. I assume that the active phase of the pamp will occur within 2-3 months.

Good cryptocurrency news nowadays are indicators of the upcoming bullish market. Investors are starting to be positive about the market creating a healthy environment for cryptoenthusiasts. Slight gains would be enough for now hoping cryptocurrency will have series of spikes in the future. Just keep the positivity will give the market a momentum.

Honestly, it is really a waiting game and that would always require some level of patience on the part of every single one that wants to benefit from this space in the long run. If the people who have benefited hugely on this space, and still holding a huge amount of bitcoin even at this moment, I am sure, they really will not get to be experiencing a huge gain at the moment, because at some point, they would have gone astray thinking there is no hope or future for the market anymore in the past.

Moreover, the fact that they understood the value in this market and the technology and they know there is a huge space for it; the easier was it for them to hold this long. These days, people who got in just last year, want to start buying Lambo ;D

Yes, there has been a lot of talk lately that large investors and institutional investors should enter the crypto market in the near future. This article only confirmed the numerous rumors that had previously circulated in the crypto community. It is clear that this should move the entire market in the direction of growth and the beginning of a bullish trend.

The arrival of large investors is always a good sign for any exchange assets. I believe that the arrival of investors in the crypto market will not be noticeable until 2020. And I do not think that the emergence of this news will be able to attract the attention of new investors in crypto, because at the moment the market is being manipulated and extremely unstable, many investors have taken a wait.

I read about it earlier, but I doubt that the entry of large investments into the crypto market will not happen in the near future and market growth should be expected no earlier than the first quarter of 2019. Usually, institutional investors need a lot of time to go through all bureaucratic procedures and start investing in crypto.

Large investors seems to be interesting to hear because this may help the crypto space to be more trusted. Also, they definitely appreciate the great features of what the technology can give to the economy. Maybe, they already have been doing a lot of research about it and found out its potential services that could gives more opportunities to gain good amount of benefits.

Sound big whales to me and i hope that this is true because i don't care if some big whales or any conspiracy group will manipulate the market price now because most of us are long waited enough since last year for the market to become great again therefore big whales or not and they will pump it then there is no problem as i will just start focusing on how to ride with their price manipulation with a perfect timing.

It is indeed a good thing for large investors to join in this market.Because this market has been quiet for a long time.The price of all cryptocurrencies has been falling since the beginning of this year.We are all waiting for its outbreak.

Don't worry, the price break the higher price and we all will make a big profit again. I am sure that the lower price can attract a big investor and new people to come into cryptocurrency and in that time, cryptocurrency will rise again. But still, we need to waiting for the price to break the higher price and we can stay hold tight of every coin we have. I think the big whales is ready for helping the price to the higher price and if the right time comes, then the price will start the rally to the higher price.

I  agree with your line of reasoning concerning the price of bitcoin. The price will certainly move up and not down again because the support of $6K has been a very big one for Bitcoin to break since the beginning of the year 2018, It has been bouncing off the support level and I believe you  it will no longer break it down this year. Based on the report you sent i think the good days will be here sooner than expected. There are ongoing adoption of bitcoin by many corporate bodies and individuals.                                                   

To some people, they just want to see the profit gushing in without any patience as soon as possible, and that has pretty much clouded their judgment and mentality when it comes to holding and focusing on the long term. It is always ridiculous when it comes to the way certain people tend to think with respect to some moon scenario most of the time and really eager to see the next bull run.

Until people start seeing the real value of what they are holding, before they will be able to understand the need to at least start focusing on the long term, if not, they will just not get the gist, no matter how you tell them.

Ease of use for average user,  cost of sending transaction, better scale,  speed of transactions and network are among many developments that should happen on bitcoin network that could spur a price rise and network growth!  The bull markets could happen as a result of these development!

stable positive news on bitcoin and govt positive steps regulating with guidelines will put cryptocurrency in the bull run

Without any single doubt, Bitcoin will have its full bounce just a couple of weeks from now. We might experience a few more price drops but it will surely rebounce. Indicators will not tell a lie.

one fundamental issue that will create a bullrun later on is if the SEC stops bullshitting and stop announcing they'd review the ETF. by that investors will start accepting that ETF idea is really just the way for them to pull down the price. this will most likely be the first thing that should happen and investors will soon start to trust again.

There are alot of good news coming but at the moment the market did not response. I think the market will turn in to bull run if that all news become reality. By to see history price of Gold that was bull run after the ETF approved so i can say if Bitcoin ETF approved will be samething for its price.

I think the launch of Bakkt and some hype around security ecosystem will give us an opportunity to be witnesses of the bull run. 

if in my opinion the number of investors entering the market will make the price of coins increase. the problem with the many new investors to join in investing is that it has a good impact on market changes

Alot of positive news has been come in crypto market and all of that possible to become trigger for bull market, but personally i prefer to predict bull market from technical analysis. All crypto already dumped hard and a few month in sideaway so that mean bull market is near and i think its already started. We not need to wait until Bitcoin ETF to approved for bull market.

Indeed, bitcoin ETF will not boost the price of bitcoin to increase. But whether coincidental or not, this increase began with the news that said about the SEC approval for the ETF. Anyway, the prospect that has happened so far will definitely have a positive impact on the crypto market to be bullish and without ETF also the value of bitcoin must have the opportunity to increase again and this is only a process for the right time.

We must be able to analyze fundamentally because that is a very important analysis, because fundamentals are the most important to the movement of an asset, including bitcoin, including good news about bitcoin, of course, will change the direction of current price movements.

Exactly, we should not only based on the price as price can be manipulated but knowing the fundamentals, you can be assured that what you know is based on proper analysis. Price can be really deceiving that is why there are people who get FOMO and get FUD in crypto and this will make them loss because they will not be able to make the right strategy.

Yes, this has been one important and hot topic to discuss in economics as well.
Government regulations could really change the investment pattern and the ease of making money.

Majority of the countries have not allowed the operation of Bitcoin but in the future, when it happens for it has to happen, the boom will surely come. And since the current market values are way down, it is a good opportunity to invest.

Well after 4 months of creating your topic i think your analysis has already began to come to past as many well known companies are already coming into the crypto space in full force. One of them is samsung which embedded a crypto wallet into their samsung S10 phone and also google adding the bitcoin logo to it's keyboard, i even heard a news that facebook is already speaking with exchanges to least it's token.

It's perfect mate that's a correct analysts in very single day of our day in crypto currency we all know most of the people are waiting the next sign of bull run. There is nothing wrong to assume and got hope about this worse current situation of bitcoin bearish trend.

Crypto already dumped hard, and this market need rest a few month  and then we will see next bull market. With low capitalization and more mass adoption, crypto market has big chance back to bullish. I think in 2020 we will see all top crypto will going up to the new level high or surpass the highest level in 2017. Market capitalization of crypto will going above to $1 trilliun later.

I don't know about the fundamental issues but I know the social parts. I mean look at how many people are constantly on the hunt for the next bull, look at what people have been trying to catch for the past year.

We all have been trying to get to a bull run already, the market doesn't allow us to have it so far but eventually there will be an increase that is steep enough for all of us to get excited and buy bitcoin which will in return make the bitcoin go higher and of course more people will get hyped and get into bitcoin and make the price higher, this will continue like a circle of life when afterwards it will fall and we will be in bear market again.

I just believe in the ripple (not the coin) affect and think that one good increase will be like a snow from at the top of the hill and will be a huge snowslide.

yes you are absolutely right the Bitcoin will continuously get down again and again but we have seen anything good for us will came to us the value will continuously go down this will reason a lots of people to being confused mind what can we do next.

There is nothing as fundamental issues. Market varies with time, we need to have the understanding to move with the market, Continued price pumping with more and more investors getting into bitcoin is the reason for the bull run. This can never be expected to take place forever. Upon the same the best is to overcome through adoption and other large scale projects letting it attain a bull market.

When Bitcoin reaches back up to $5,000 that will be a strong turn around signal but right now its Price is still going down. I plan to buy more when it dips below $3000.

Too many good news in crypto market now and i dont know which one that become trigger for bull market. From technical analysis bull market should be near because more than 1 year already crypto market in bearish mode, and this trend should be change to attrack new investor because alot of investor will FOMO if uptrend started. Together we can push this crypto market to 100% to create trigger for bull market.

Fundamentals are getting stronger day by day for Bitcoin right from lightning network nodes, ATM installations worldswide

in this time there is something need to be changed the fundamental and technical analysis for getting the Bull Run again and made some changes in the investors side will also been happened a Run quickly.

A part of me still believe that the crypto bull run will not get to 2020 before it happens, I am expecting it this year looking at the direction the market is going even though a lot of the coins are going deep now but looking at so many analysis out there both on new and personal technical and fundamental analysis.

I strongly believe that this year will be the BULL RUN year and it is only a matter of time for us to experience it though Mcafee predicted bitcoin to get to 1 million dollars by 2020 but for this year, I believe it will go close to 25,000 usd.

I see Bitcoin as Digital Gold and a store of Value. There are a lot of folks that are associating price of Bitcoin to its usage, primarily spending in BTC. This will be an imp component ONLY when we start getting paid in BTC - or make money in BTC - then we can expect to spend in BTC. Why would 'anyone' buy BTC in USD to spend BTC - why would you buy something in digital Gold.

I think the focus 'globally' should change to getting paid in BTC then the real usage/spending will come into play.

BTC as store of value is the most imp component. So I would never spend BTC but would do it to save on all transaction fee etc ONLY if were to start getting paid in BTC.

There are lots of reason why should the Bull Run happen again. The ease of doing business is something that is being accelerated by the introduction of Bitcoin and the like technologies so more and more people will get involved in the market which is something that will be instrumental in engendering the Bull Run.

In addition, the robust nature of otc markets and the institutional infrastructural breadth and depth are other reasons for the bull run in this year.

I didn't see any good news which can trigger the bull run soon for now.

The bear market stays too long but it doesn't mean that it will end soon most of the predictions says we will hit the next bull run at the halving time.

I think you did not read more information because I feel the information that the existence of halving bitcoin has been widespread in several forums that talk about this good news and in 2020 I think the price of bitcoin will be very expensive and maybe there will also be a bull run due to halving bitcoin.

It particularly not good to have an expensive bitcoin cause it could some hindrance that low level of investors won't go for bitcoin instead they'll find low cost coins in the market( probably altcoins). I don't feel that also ( high price) after the end of BTC halving. I may say that, everything will be just normal and prices won't go that far same thing it happen last 2017.

In my opinion, too, fundamental news is the most important thing and has the biggest impact on the market, so that market trends can change instantly, for example like the hardfork bitcoin in 2017.

with so many who adopt bitcoin it will help the price of bitcoin soar again, so with the rock big investors, bitcoin can experience large and good price increases

In my opinion institutional investor and whales is being accumulate crypto because the price already oversold and then in next a few month they will pump crypto to create bull run, with big money they can do that and we should be doing the same like them to accumulate crypto in cheap price and then we will make alot of profit later.

the guy above already knows about the halving because he already mentioned it above but halving does not guarantee that price of cryptos will pump because there are still alot of factors that may affect the flow of the price  . one example is manipulation  .  what if whales decided to dump the market when we are already close the 2020 halving ?  not only whales but any other users can also sell thier coins at any time , which results for the price to go down  .

The higher the price, the higher the profits and the lower you invest, the more you save and the higher you make in the Bull Run. These are simple concepts and one should make plans and invest according to these concepts. I think it is also a good time to invest in Bitcoin.

The price is not that high and what if it did not go down any more? The wise say that invest whenever you have the capital to do so. DO not think about the price.

Anything is really possible that would happen into those times even on this year or upcoming ones doesnt have a significant fixed thing that someone can able to input.
With news or none, this market is very unpredictable not just on those fundamentals and yet whales or big funders can give out movement if they wanted too but
with that halving event i do believe it can really trigger out some price increase.

I agree the Instinct that the possibility will happened for again to this whole market but it can be possible with your statement that will be lots of problems are here only solving something will not leads to a changes in this market if everything is correct we don't need to wait for a bull run it will happen more easily.

Yes, the demonstrators are positive. But if everything was as it should always be, the price would not decrease as now. In my opinion prices depends on psychology, and it needs to get better.