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21st November :
I am editing the Original message, Ok i accept the punishment.
see this post : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5056278.msg48092934#msg48092934


Original message :

When was it banned? I can't find any info in Meta, Staff board, reported messages, or the handled reports queue (but I'm not sure how long handled reports are viewable there so if you were banned two months ago they might have been purged).

hey, thanks for the answer.

I don't know when it was banned.
The last time i logged-in, was the last time i posted a message with my account : august 2nd.
I must have been banned after than.

I just checked my Trust rating, i'm positive.

If i did something wrong i am more than happy to appologise and have some kind of punishment.

I would just like to know the reason of my ban, and see if something can be done about it.

Cheers

To quote suchmoon:

I can't find anything that supports this claim though. Perhaps the evidence might have already been deleted?

guigui371= https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=207818

[Topic: Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0)

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Maybe this can answer about your account why it's blocked.
[Reference] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;threads;u=207818;sa=showPosts)

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Wow Thanks !! i couldn't find it. 
I will contact suchmoon and ask him why he flagged me.

Suchmoon didn't flag you, he's just the messenger:

Your account showed up on modlog (https://bitcointalk.org/modlog.php), and he listed it.

any chance that this is just a mistake / misunderstanding ?

I do have good karma and some serious brownie point :

Look at this Post :
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=659146.msg9042288#msg9042288

And this one (linked to the same thread), line 11.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=659146.msg7415464#msg7415464

After almost 5 years here, could i be given the benefit of the doubt ?

If I had to guess, I'd say it's likely related to your post from June in Blockchain.io ANN thread. About a week ago a huge number of accounts have been banned posting copied messages in there.

Either your post is a copy-paste (I couldn't find anything) or you've been somehow wrongly flagged/banned along with these shill accounts.

Original: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3681257.msg40022243#msg40022243 (appears to have been deleted)

Copy - from the beginning down to around "end of the airdrop":

Does that fit?

Copy:

Original:

How did you find it if it's not a secret?  :P I've spent a good amount of time lurking around cached versions of the page but ended up with nothing.

On the other hand, some duche have copied and pasted guigui371's Blockchain.io post in their medium article:

https://medium.com/@vovancher555/a-very-interesting-project-that-i-follow-for-some-time-now-b2d0eddfcb81

We also have some newbies plagiarizing from the same post:

If that's the reason, it's not fair. The link has been posted above his comment. He responds by saying that he is not in one of the 16 cases and merely copies and pastes the cases so that others can compare. It seems that was what @Suchmoon posted.

I was the one who reported it and I kept copies of both posts. Apparently the original was deleted later. Unfortunately I don't have it an archived format so the best I can do is a screenie of the comparison of the two posts:

https://i.snag.gy/0BoTL5.jpg (https://i.snag.gy/0BoTL5.jpg)

Alright, thanks.


Proof that LoyceV is not an AI? ::) or just a temporary system malfunction... ;D

Original HTML:


Reconstructed BBCode:


Top part of guigui371's post again:

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It was probably a different suchmoon. There is a nice and cuddly one who pretends to be helpful and empathetic, and then there is the toothy one who reports you to mods if you borrow words from someone else.

I have a weird feeling about this, could it be some kind of setup?

Look closely, Hirochifaa is brand new account with just one post which was removed/nuked. Both posts are created within 7 minutes which could possibly allow you to edit the first post, right?

Why would a legendary account copy a message posted just minutes ago, it makes no sense. Isn't it too obvious?

https://image.ibb.co/h3dnbV/0-Bo-TL5aaa.png

AM vs PM. It tripped me too at first. The original had not been edited - I fetched that info too:

https://i.snag.gy/csNWvf.jpg (https://i.snag.gy/csNWvf.jpg)

Legendaries do stupid shit all the time, and a purchased/hacked Legendary is not the same as someone who genuinely participated in the forum for 2-3 years.

^ Then this has to be the dumbest thing I've ever seen, copy a message that was just posted. I still don't find a reason, why would you do that.. ???

If I edit my post within 7 minutes, I don't get the 'dotted lines', it's not marked as edited, correct?

Get your lazy ass up and do something for it , beg for it is not the best way and how it works here in the forum !

What I'm trying to say is that the posts are 12 hours apart. Within 7 (or 10 or whatever the grace period is) minutes you wouldn't get the dotted line and my parser wouldn't get a LastEdited date but after 12 hours it certainly would have a dotted line and an edit date.

I'm an idiot and definitely need to see (pun intended) an eye doctor. It is AM and PM...my god.

/thread

That is an exact copy of the website but he shouldn’t be banned for that post. The website was cited in the post above and it should be clear within the context of the post that he was not attempting to take credit for the copied content— he was citing reasons why AML(?) reports would have to be made and said that none applied to him.

Edit:
I would want to know why the original post was deleted. If it was deleted by the person behind the account, maybe that is an alt of the OP and he just reposted what he originally wrote.

And here we go, an account farmer shows up with his manure spreader. Everything is ok if it's done using alts - copypasta, thread bumping, escrow, attacking someone you disagree with... right?

And no, the original post was not deleted by the author: https://bpip.org/profilearchive.aspx?p=Hirochifaa

Hi everybody, thanks for digging some of the old message and thank you to suchmoon for showing up here and explaining (much appreciated, thanks).

This message will be a bit long, but since i am limited to 1 message every 6 minutes, i better write it well.

Alright, so know we know why i have been banned. Copy and paste / plagiarism.

I would like to put for the record that i was reported for plagiarism on October the 15th for a single message written on June 13th.

And here is the post that shows it  (by suchmoon) :
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5056278.msg47224299#msg47224299


I am not going to deny it, i cut a corner here.
I remember this post very well as a matter of fact. This Aridrop ( a french one, like me) is something i really dig into.
I have been using paymium for 4 years and really wanted to be part of this airdrop.
Unfortunately mid June was a very stressfull period of the year as i was to depart in the next few hours to a 30 days honeymoon and not everything was sorted. (i can prove and send flight ticket in PM to modo / and admin).

Also, english not being my 1st lenguage i tried to find a message i could both relate to and improve with my own experience. 


Funny, on the screenshot, not all of the changes i made are highlighted. We can clearly see that it has been tampered almost to try to convince others that my message was just a pure copy and paste.

Original :

Now is my message, i am going to bold the changes, and bold and use underscore  the genuine part i have written.




So indeed, i have copied and pasted the 1st part of the message,
I have checked online for tool to compare the texts ( i was going to do it by hand, but it is just magic what you can do on the internet now).

My text is only 47% copied  (one site says 48 and the other one 46) from the original. I don't deny that i took the message of the OP and adapted it to my special case (using paymium for 4 years, knowing crypto for years and not months, and being a user and doing purchases on the platform).


Link :
 https://copyleaks.com/compare-embed/compare-two-files/8e99b8d6-e7fc-4c75-9551-feda6e19f0b9/5881960/1/1?key=id6eclbcuCxUSRmGRA7l

See the screenshots  of other website comparing both text  :

https://thumb.ibb.co/kcLJYA/textcheck1.jpg (https://ibb.co/kcLJYA)

https://thumb.ibb.co/gBst0q/textcheck2.jpg (https://ibb.co/gBst0q)

https://thumb.ibb.co/cpfP6V/textcheck3.jpg (https://ibb.co/cpfP6V)



So i wrote 53% of my post on true and personal related info.

I must have done a ok/good job for that russian puppet to copy and paste me on medium  :
https://medium.com/@vovancher555/a-very-interesting-project-that-i-follow-for-some-time-now-b2d0eddfcb81


So let's sum up, i am a legendary, i have 1236 posts, one post get flagged with a first part copied , modified and pasted and then 54% of genuine written text and that is it ! Banned for life.  No slap on the wrist ? no warning . ?



Xal0lex below quoted another message of mine that is a copy and paste of the internet. But, look below.



The link of the original message is here :
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1782724.msg20085279#msg20085279

It basically say,
"i am asking paymium to wire me 50 000Euros from the disposal of BTC
My case doesnt relate to any of the 16 bullet point"
==> bullet point coming from the link that is quoted in my message !!! https://www.economie.gouv.fr/tracfin/que-faut-il-declarer


So clairly not plagiarism, i am just saying that i am not in any of those cases and i even include the source !

And then i post 2 extra messages on the same thread to explain taxes  BTC related. The perfect example of someone helpfull.




To answer a few question asked by members on this thread :



No, this wasn't an alt of me.
I do not have any alternative account.
Just one that i use from time to time (if you look at my hstory, you will see time where i post and then long period without activities).



and this one


I didnt buy this account, i have been the only user for 4 years and 9 months of guigui371 and this is the only account i ever had.
 It is a bit offensive to write what you wrote but it is fine.
I could prove it if i had to, just need to find a BTC address i have written on one of my posts (unedited post) and sign a message with it.




So let's sum up.
I did copy a message, i changed some of the words to relate to me, i added some genuine content and 53% of the resulting message is original.
(damn !!! i know heaps of Whitepaper that have way less original content compared to the BTC WP).

I am ready to appologize, i am ready to donate all the BCIO coins (converted to BTC) that i will get from that airdrop to a charity (why not the Binance charity thingy they just started).

I have been on this forum for almost 5 years, wirtting 1236 messages (not all of them are great i agree).
I have done one Tutorial about how to use VanityGen on the french board.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=664082.msg7487945#msg7487945
I have helped someone to repay there debt https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=659146.msg9042288#msg9042288


I mean, if i don't get my account, it is fine. I will be a bit gutted, this is life, i will move on.
But i feel it could do with a second chance, don't you guys believe in second chance in live ?

Look at my trust setting / feedback : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=207818

Looking forward to see the outcome.
Cheers

I'm pretty sure mods can reinstate your account in no time or give as massive explanation as your conclusion to the discussion was. GL

I don't think your rank and the many posts you wrote over the years should serve as an excuse for what you did. In fact, if you go back a week or two you will find numerous cases of people getting banned for copy-pasting (including other high ranked accounts).

Yes, there is no warning about plagiarism, and people who have committed such a violation are almost always permabanned. What's worse in your case is that you have changed small parts of the first paragraph (adapted in your own words), which means that you have done this copy/paste thing quite deliberately.

Yes, the screenshot has been "tampered" to remove all irrelevant details. I clearly stated which part of your post was copied and anyone can see it. As to your 47% excuse - irrelevant. You deliberately copied someone's post and made it look like your own. Whatever else you added to it doesn't make it less of a violation, if anything it adds to obfuscation.

Your whole appeal hinges on that assertion and that you only ever did it once. I think it's a very weak one but that's not for me to decide.


I didn't mean you bought it. That was a response to another user to a question "Why would a Legendary...". Sorry if it came across as an accusation.

Second chances can be given and you can argue that the punishment is harsh, but at the moment the rules are pretty clear that if you're caught plagiarising then it's a permaban. Once we start making exceptions for people it just opens up a huge can of worms and then everyone else who's had a ban will come out of the woodwork and complain it's not fair to them and people who are banned in the future will use this case as an example why they should be given another chance.

PM theymos or cyrus and make your case to them and maybe they will remove it. I'm not against second chances but there needs to be some consistency so it's fair to all. Hopefully signature bans could be issued in cases like this instead and people can keep their accounts, but at the moment I just wish people would stop plagiarising content so these bans aren't even needed in the first place and it's truly a sad state of affairs that they are.

Thanks hilariousandco and suchmoon for your answers.

No need to argue more,
I said all i had to.

I will try to ontact said Theymos and Cyrus and will link them to this Thread / topic.

I'm not going to cry over a forum. I can still browswe everything i want using the old account and it doest really cause me any prejudice anyway.


Have a good day, i'm off to work

Chances are somebody new owns that legendary account who was bought from the original owner. The new owner maybe is not aware that plagiarism is not allowed here in the forum thus resulting in a ban. Also its weird that an inactive account (Last post was August 2) suddenly tries to go online 9 days after they are banned from plagiarism. It seems to me that William8062/guigui371 has other accounts that is why he tried to went active again.

I don't think we can talk about a purchased account in this particular case, although it's quite common these days.

He has signed a message to prove ownership of guigui371 account (the BTC address is first used one month after that plagiarized post though)

Looks like he was careless and made a silly mistake, a mistake that he shouldn't have done.

I am just giving you one possibility on the question you asked :
Also keep in mind that his proof of signed message was one of his last post which really does not prove that he was the owner all through out of the existence of the account. He might created this signed message as back up when the original owner will try to recover his/her account.

I am the original owner, i didn't buy this legendary account. (see last part of my post)
I wasn't really aware that plagiarism is punnishable by Ban and i my mind, i just used some of the text, changed it and then added more.
But let's not do any philosophy about if or not it was plagiarism.

I started a new job on the 5th of august. This new job is very demanding and i am now working 55h a week (without transport in and out). I have less time to log and do stuff.
Why did i reconnect on the 24ot of october ? Easy i drove my wife to the airport (she is on holiday) and now i am just home at home chilling and i told myself, hey why not going to my BTC board to see how it goes. I could post the plane tickets, but why breaking the pseudo-anonymity for this ? I don't really see the point.
The real question is why did i get banned on the 9th of October for a post written on the 13th of June.








Indeed i made a mistake. I don't deny it.
I signed the message after reading a post from a french guy (i am french too) got hacked and couldnt prove the account was his.







Well i did this because i saw a post in the french board :
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4730021.msg42740409#msg42740409
That message was on the 23rd, i read it a few days later and then told myself, fuck i need to do something about it.
This is what i wrote :


Which basically translate into
Forget about your account, you have no chance of recovering it.
I just stacked my btc address on the meta part.
I don't really use my legendary account but i would be gutted to get hacked and start from scratch.

Well, just a clarification the fact i wrote "my legendary account" doesnt mean that i have other accounts.

I do not have any other accounts. I will gladly put the 4BTC (see below) on an escrow to be given to whoever prove i have multiple accounts.

(see, i made a silly mistake by coping and pasting, surely you guys are more intelligent than me and can find out if i have several accounts, it should be easy, no ?) Good LUCK ! 4 BTC for whoever prove i have and use multiple accounts. (not including the William8062 and guigui371)



Finally i am pretty sure that i still have the private key of this BTC address : 15rYQrVXTpDAGsyf9QvvJVrc4TuwenKvF1

Why woud this address matter . ?
Well it is the output address of a double sign deal i did when i sold my Breitling back in june 2014.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=484980.msg7567844#msg7567844

But again one could argue that i bought this empty BTC address from the person i bought the legendary account, well, if you follow the BTC it goes all the way to this address :  3CBULKBcRfK3BmctDPDi675mJi5tUmo2hm
I am pretty sure that i control this address on my nanoS. But maybe i also bought those 4BTC from the original account.
A bit expensive to buy a legendary, no ?

I have to rush away, i will dig and see if i can find the privKey of 15rYQrVXTpDAGsyf9QvvJVrc4TuwenKvF1 and sign a message with it.
By doing so, would i reassure you i didn't buy the account ? (not that you opinion  mister Theb matters to me  :-* )

Because you posted in a massive shitposting thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3681257.0) back in June and the thread was checked for plagiarism in October.


For someone who claims to have no spare time you're spending a lot of it on walls of text and irrelevant details. Let us know how your appeal goes - it's an important precedent that may affect other users too.

Ok gotcha


As explained, my wife is away this week.
so i logged in to have a look at the latest news on BitcoinTalk.
But after the 5th of november she is back and bye bye the computer.
And also it is the weekend (i'm  20h ahead of you)



So regarding the ownership of guigui371 (funny i have to justify myself to someone that bought a legendary account for $600    ;)   )
Ref : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4476583.msg40261507#msg40261507
I know you have stated that you wont use it. But promisses  are just promisses :)
Who says that you are not going to use it tomorrow ?


By the way it is funny that you point the fact that  i staked my  my address not long ago, when you staked yours  just 6 weeks before mine :)




I can't   find the private key of 15rYQrVXTpDAGsyf9QvvJVrc4TuwenKvF1 . (from the watch sale post)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=484980.msg7567844#msg7567844

But when i stopped using this address i sent everything to my new address  1A4wdSpiToSc3rw1G4K37jCTAby3yMHTSY

And today i signed a message with 1A4wdSpiToSc3rw1G4K37jCTAby3yMHTSY 



Then i was like, damn he will be suspicious, i mean  he has to be, he made his goal to put me down (just kidding)
So i used google and typed my old addresses (from 2014) into google with Bitcointalk as a keyword.
(yes i am not that tech savy, there is probably a better way to do it).

And i found this post :
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=763017.msg8742971#msg8742971
A post where i claim that i have funded    1octE21wzrfBKbHVD9sdts8UvUA3CKYUm  for a fun bet between 6 french people.

Using this address : 1LHNgiw3h7ocvAbFHWsi1iUVw6oEMagghs

Then let's sum up,

15rYQrVXTpDAGsyf9QvvJVrc4TuwenKvF1 belongs to guigui371, this undeniable refer the Breitling post.

15rYQrVXTpDAGsyf9QvvJVrc4TuwenKvF1 send all his coins to 1A4wdSpiToSc3rw1G4K37jCTAby3yMHTSY in 2014



Then, guigui371 claims to have used 1LHNgiw3h7ocvAbFHWsi1iUVw6oEMagghs
When you look closely you see that 1LHNgiw3h7ocvAbFHWsi1iUVw6oEMagghs
is being sent $65k  (18 BTC at that time) on the august 2017 by 1pEBTytXppWnmSHGTFms46JvtJYVBV19h
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/d62a6613e68c8d184fedd2c023d5ebe721db0bee7473f5cdba7ee37783eb35ed

I signed a message using 1LHNgiw3h7ocvAbFHWsi1iUVw6oEMagghs  today


But where is the missing link ? well follow the money :)

 1pEBTytXppWnmSHGTFms46JvtJYVBV19h has been funded  ($22k) by 1A4wdSpiToSc3rw1G4K37jCTAby3yMHTSY
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/6528339e9bae62ac23abdf3f794d9f9cdd77b785a355d0de95fb556dfc2f026d


Message signed with 1pEBTytXppWnmSHGTFms46JvtJYVBV19h



So let's sum up.
15rYQrVXTpDAGsyf9QvvJVrc4TuwenKvF1 (guigui371's) sends all its coins to 1A4wdSpiToSc3rw1G4K37jCTAby3yMHTSY  I own it
1A4wdSpiToSc3rw1G4K37jCTAby3yMHTSY sends all of its coins (not used since)  to  1pEBTytXppWnmSHGTFms46JvtJYVBV19h ( i own it).
Then 1pEBTytXppWnmSHGTFms46JvtJYVBV19h all of its coins (not used since ) $65k to 1LHNgiw3h7ocvAbFHWsi1iUVw6oEMagghs ( i own it)
And guigui371 claims in 2014 that he used it to fund a bet (only 6 people in the bet).

I guess that should do, no ?



I will,
I don't deny that i have copied and pasted part of a message, one time only in almost 5 years and 1236 messages.
I wasn't aware of the 33 rules of the forum (i discovered them a few days ago thanks to your signature)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657
To be honest the thread was created after i joined the forum. But doesnt change the fact that someone curious would check the rules periodically and check that he is obeying the guidelines.
I don't often go to the english board . / meta

Also those are  the unofficial rules, i can't find the official ones.
And it doesnt explicit says that at the 1st (and only) occurence of breaking a rule it is a permanent Ban. (does it ? i really can't find it).

Especially in my case breaking rule 33 one time.
However I do aggree that some rules should be strictly enforced (29, 17, 8 .....)
In my case the modo could have just deleted the message, gave me a big slap on the hand or temporary Ban.

Anyway, nothing more to add, i've ut forward my "plagiarism" and the fact that it is 54% original.
And i have proven that i didn't buy guigui37 (by the way, rule 18 is weird, it allows people to farm accounts !! how is that allowed).

Now it is wait and see.
Cheers

Have I used it though? And how does that relate to your ban?


Now you're just making shit up. Where did I "point the fact"?


The enforcement of the rules is based on how moderators interpret them, not you. Of course a banned user is probably not gonna like the rule they got banned for. But that same rule has been applied to thousands of users just in the past month, including half a dozen other Legendaries. An appeal can succeed only if you can show that the moderator made a mistake. Here are a couple of examples for recent successful appeals:

• A user was framed. Someone created a web page, copied user's post into it, and reported the user for plagiarism. User got banned, appealed, theymos figured out the scheme (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4601461.msg41539819#msg41539819), user got unbanned.
• A user quoted improperly and it seemed like they copied the text. User got banned, appealed, theymos concluded that the intent was indeed to quote (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4824037.msg43606976#msg43606976), user got unbanned.

In this context your plagiarism is not a mistake - you intentionally took someone's text and tried to pass it as your own. Your argument that 50% plagiarism is not plagiarism sounds kinda weak. You could get kicked out of college if you intentionally plagiarized 50% or 10% or even just the intro paragraph of a paper.

So what I'm saying is - work some more on that appeal, don't waste your time trolling me with useless tripe. I don't have a dog in this fight, just waiting to see how it works out for you.

Alright,
So it looks like this is a dead-end and that my punishment won't be lifted.
 
Fine, i still consider that this is a bit harsh (based on my explanation and situation), but, i dont do the rules.

Saying that, can i stick around or do i have to leave the board ?

According to the rules, having an Alt isn't forbidden but Ban escaping is forbidden. So, should i leave forever ?

I understand this rule if the banned account is a scammer, spread hate messages, sell weapons, drugs, child materials, malware...

In my case, would it be too much ask to use this account to participate again on the forum ?

I am ok to agree to a couple of conditions if you guys deem them necessary :

I will not take part of bounty/signature campain ever (please someone quote this message).
And i will keep in my signature that i got ban for plagiarism (please quote me again!).

Can please a general moderator, or an admin let me know if i can use this new account ?

Thanks

Quoted and archived (https://archive.is/MLosu#selection-7485.0-7487.88).

Note that you can't have a signature unless you reach Jr. Member or buy a Copper Membership (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2385104.0).

Thanks for that.
Now just waiting to hear about admin / modo to see if i can carry on or if i need to go.

cheers

You are giving up on your legend account for that??

I would not give up so fast.

Why did you even copy and past that shit you could have written it yourself in 2 seconds.

Theymos has clearly said copy and paste is not a perm ban in all cases. We are not robots here. Depends on the context.

A legend account of this age deserves much more consideration than these shit bots and pure sig pumping scammers

Have you ever copy and paste before?

I mean I think you would have a chance. The only worry about it is it seems financially motivated and not just for a joke or for a guide etc.

I do not think it is a certain ban only Theymos can decide on it.

I hate to see real legends (not bought accounts) go down for one stupid error.

I think it is harsh.  This account should only be locked down until mods hear from theymos himself. Legend accounts should have full context of their entire history here. If you have done some good for this forum in 4 years one stupid error like this should be punished perhaps by rank reduction down to senior or perhaps no banners for 2 years. Or something.

This is quite an important case and I had been told no legend had been banned for 1 or 2 copy and paste errors over their entire history which now seems incorrect and I see it has happened here. The copy and paste part is pathetic actually it has no original thought and it would take me longer to copy and paste and splice that other crap in that just write it myself from scratch.

I will certainly say this is not something to give up on so quickly there is a small hope here depending on your contribution over the years. If you are generally just out for financial gain you will likely be gone however if for years you contributed well and just out of enthusiasm for the decentralised trustless arena we all want to see arrive then I would feel you are getting unfairly treated.

Theymos also said this:

I will rely on his most recent thoughts on the matter. Not that they are mutually exclusive anyway. He seems a very fair person and I would try my best to get my case in front of him to make the final decision. If then he says ban we can be sure it was not one that had enough merit to balance his mistake.

I would hope that he will receive a punishment of some sort as a warning to others but a perma ban seems harsh unless a large proportion of his participation is just motivated by financial gain.

Legends of all persons have contributed the most so I would expect at least a bit of a review into this should be given.

The more you put in the more you get out. That is my feeling on all things. I've never heard of this legend and has a very low post count but still he may have done some important work here in the past.

I would estimate here 60% chance of perm ban. Because it is clearly for financial reasons. If it were just to answer a question someone asked or as a joke or any reason not obviously for financial gain and he had a good history other than that I would think this would drop to 20%.  Still worth pushing for a decision from the top if possible. Legend accounts will not be growing on trees now.

This forum is a great place. Lot's of lengends (and others before 2017 swarm) were all part of a good community. I support the work of these reporters in general especially toward this latest wave of financial spammers. However legends and heros were never initially here for that reason. Most are here to support decentralised trustless and transparent projects and many here have done their best to stop scams taking over and ruining the image of this entire arena.

This guy must have been suffering some kind of breakdown to copy and paste that pile of shit. It is garbage anyone could spew in 3 seconds or less. He must be kicking himself potentially losing a legend account over that. I bet he would never do it again if was reduced to snr. Even reduced to full but to lose your account fully is crushing. All your posts gone your entire history deleted.

If i were him i would not give up so soon. There is some hope I think of a slap on the wrist and a kick up the ass but full termination is not something to just accept without doing your best to avoid.

Well, i tried, no one except you is keen to give me the benefit of the doubt or lessen my punishment.




I explained it on a previous post, i was in a hurry and super stress, it was hours before going to my honeymoon trip and not everything was planned/organised/booked



Indeed, and no, i don't believe i have copied in pasted in the past.




I think so too




Theymos wrote this sometime after my mistake, i couldn't be aware of his message/post  when i did my "plagiarism"

Also, to be fair, (wrote it in a previous message on this thread), i never really read the rules (unofficial + written after i signed up, and located in a part of forum i alsmost never go), i was just on the forum and behaving to what i though was normal behavior.




Indeed it was a very stressful time, no i won't do it. Yes i feel stupid.


I don't post much in the english part of it. But i have 1236 posts 
I do have a few quality posts (highlighted in previous messages), but i mainly used the forum to read, to exchange with french peers, to give advice and tips based on my experience.


Funny enough i didn't do this campaign for the money, I have been a client/user/customer of paymium since i started BTC (december 2013).
They are french like me (cocoricooo !), and i wanted to be part of their new adventure. It is important to states that paymium is one of the first exchange in the world, they started in May 2010.
The 25euros or so that i would have won are not a big sum of money when i look at my real life salary and the saving i have since to being in the crypto sphere since 2013. I also have written in previous messages that i would be happy to forfeit the proceeds  of this campaign to a charity.



To get the closure i need (perma ban or not, can i have an alt or not), i would donate $50 (us$) to Theymos, or to the forum or to any approved charity if Theymos comes here, and give his final answer on my case.

Reply to my previous post,
I did find this from Theymos.




I have a feeling that my request (remove perma ban) will not be granted



What about my other question :
Can i stick around and start again from scratch if i stick to what i said below :


It would really piss me off to get banned (again !) in 1 year because i made an alt (william8062) to escape my perma-ban (now that i know the rule, i know that Ban escaping is punished by a ban !)

If you can really prove you didn't do it for financial reasons you can try to ask theymos about it.

Legends should be allowed one silly mistake if they really are net positive over all. I am sure now you see how easy to lose 4 years work you will not do it again.

I see some more legends getting banned.

I would give you another change because I think if it really was only 1 time and you have made 1200 other good posts over 4 years then okay. Perhaps I knock you back to hero or snr and take away your sig for a year and make clear no more chances.

The fact most of your posts are french makes it hard to review your post history.

Anyway good luck on this.

Why would you even be on this forum just a few hours before you're going on honeymoon? Doesn't make any sense to me. If I was going on a vacation that day this forum would be the least of my worries, especially if you hadn't got everything planned or booked. This just sounds like another variation of the classic I was under some stress/pressure excuse.


You could argue that Legendaries should know better. I think if we allow them a free pass on certain things then lower-ranked users would then complain that they're being unfairly punished. I think the only exception I'd be ok with is if they had their signature removed/banned and they lose their ability to earn via it here. We could maybe look at just letting the community handle copy and pasters with negative feedback like like we do with scams, but sadly most ICO campaigns don't care about negative feedback and they'd still be able to get away with this behaviour which isn't ok.

It may be best to remove all sigs anyway.

I personally do not care about what lower rank users say about that most commenting on it have been here 5 mins. We could make a criteria 1 copy and paste per 1000 good posts. Applied to all.

That's retroactive. From now on zero tolerance and that is a default PM all new joiners get and a mass message sent out to all anyway.

Yep ban their sigs,  slap them back to snr member. But to lose your legendary account here is the loss of all your work. Some have put a solid year of their lives ....solid in hour terms into this board.  To have that deleted is massive over 1 copy and paste.

We all know really there was no worry that much about this until the real ico scammers, pumpers bot and other board destroyers turned up.  

This. Take their signatures and avatars away and see how many of them are actually dedicated to the forum with no financial incentive. I'd guess this would be equivalent to permaban for 90% of them.


This is unenforceable. Nobody in their right mind is going to spend time checking 1000 posts of some asshole to make sure they have only 1 plagiarised post.

Agree on the remove sigs ... a year for each offence found or just for good.

Agree nobody in their right mind would do it for free. Although I would expect a bot could easily be coded to run their entire post history against google for matches. They could pay for this if they want to not get banned or pay for manual review. I dont expect most would mind paying 0.1 btc for review and keeping their account.

I mean we are talking 1 in 1000 posts. Not real ico pump teams and scammers fucking the board up.

Well that's certainly one way to stop the sig spam once and for all but it's something theymos doesn't seem to want to do or is only going to do it as a last resort. I don't think we should ever remove signatures from everyone all-together though as it's not fair that spammers will ruin it for everyone else and those will be the people that will immediately leave this board to never return if that happens. It would be best to either remove signatures from all ranks until you've earned x amount of merit and/or charge people for them via more donator ranks.


You could remove their signatures until they've earned x amount of merit. Say, if you're spotted copy and pasting then your signature is removed until you've earned 100 merit or so. I did suggest previously that users have their signature banned until they've shown that they can contribute something here, but since merit has been implemented maybe that would be a good indicator of how much they're actually contributing and it gives them a chance to atone for their sins and get their signature back providing they've contributed something here in the meantime.


Yeah, many would probably just give up. My only issue with this though is I reckon most of them will just hang around like a bad smell trolling and complaining about how unfair it is.

Much harder than it sounds.


I still disagree with the premise that 1 in 1000 is ok, but if such criteria were implemented then yes, demanding a payment could be a good way to do it. Not going to happen though.


The likelihood of someone plagiarizing only 1 in 1000 AND GETTING CAUGHT is so extremely low that it's just not worth debating. There are many more spamming issues that this forum is facing. The "1 in 1000" offences can be handled by theymos through the usual appeal process.

I am not going to lie, there was an airdrop involved (i usually don't do airdrop / sigs). But i have been a customer of Paymium from 2013/2014 i wanted to  take part of this one to show support.
I believe that legends should have a free pass as well.
I would be happy to be knocked down one or two level
Inded, this is the issue with being french, my posts are mostly french. But isn't it a beautiful language ?
Thanks for your words, feels good to have someone supportive and not poking me in the eyes with a stick !




I would pay 0.1BTC to get my account reviewed by a french speaker (what about the french modorator ?, he is unbiased, we never exchanged a MP nor have a conversation in any of the french topic, he has no loyalty to me) and check that on the 1236 post, 99%  of them are not ICO scams / copy and paste / off topic...

The odds are low, but eh, i got caught, so it is not that low. Should i feel lucky to be the one in a million ?



I can't post images (yet), and I am not sure I want to dox myself by posting my flight tickets for everyone to see.
But if it removes me from your "list" of silly excuses for being ban, i would gladly send you a PM with pictures of the tickets, itinerary, and even the honeymoon video if you want  ;)
As i explained, this project (the BCIO), is a project that i wanted to back and support and take part of, i did took 5 minutes to write/copy a message to partake to the airdrop. I don't know why it has been classified as a shit-thread on the forum. We are talking here about an innovative Fintech, involved in the BTC since 2010 and wiling to make a BTC decentralized exchange.




No one has yet answered my other question :
Since i have been banned, do i have to say goodbye to the forum forever ? or can i have an alt and be an active member again ?

@OP

the fact you said this

"I would pay 0.1BTC to get my account reviewed by a french speaker (what about the french modorator ?, he is unbiased, we never exchanged a MP nor have a conversation in any of the french topic, he has no loyalty to me) and check that on the 1236 post, 99%  of them are not ICO scams / copy and paste / off topic..."

I feel you are 99% likely to be a good guy. I am actually working on devising a good way to sort the wheat from the chaff and bringing value to trusted members here who work to keep the board clean and working nicely.

I think if we are all reasonable we can all reach the result we want without losing any net positive members.

The thing I disliked the most was people seemingly happy and gloating at legends getting banned.

Just a precision, i didn't check the BPIP befoe writting my previous message.
Tt turns out that i did send a very small amount of merit to Halal for his work as moderator and trying to deter fake french translation https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4628772.msg41821431#msg41821431 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4628772.msg41821431#msg41821431). 
However, he didn't send me any merit. 
I'm ok to pay 0.1BTC for any french speaking person to review my account and give his opinion about me.
(i'll only pay the 0.1BTC if an admin says that the outcome will be used to state on my situation. Don't rush in doing it and claim the prize if this has no value to the admins).


Well, i try to be a good guy, on the forum and IRL :
It is a little bit off-topic  but I have been a Rotarian for 10 years now (i started at 22 !!).
I'm raising money for Parkinson (mainly street appeal with a bucket but also via BTC), to schools/kids about healthy choice and against bullying.
I've just organised a duck race (and even sold 1 duck/ticket using BTC, i need to improve this for next year) ! that gathers hundred of participants and raised $15k (nzd) for School bullying, kids well-being and education.
This weekend i'm marshaling for free an event about E-vehicule, my slaray being given to the local Ronald McDonald house.
I tutor for free about crypto, whoever reach to me to learn.
The list is long .....

But yes, like every human i make mistake.
And i did copy and paste (with alteration and some of my own words see here :  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5056278.msg47242836#msg47242836 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5056278.msg47242836#msg47242836)   ) a message, once.

Cheers

Agree.  This forum would become a ghost town overnight if signatures were removed, and I don't think anyone here wants a solution that drastic.

I believe in second chances for the most part, but it worries me what kind of precedent would be set if people started getting lesser consequences for plagiarism or second chances based on rank.  Theymos is right, though.  Every case should be judged according to the circumstances and context, but that's assuming we really know what the facts are, and you can't really rely on the person who got banned to be completely truthful. 

Officially, bans are for you as a person, which means you're not allowed to create another account and post anywhere else than this thread.
The only ones who can make an exception are Admins (theymos/Cyrus). The forum doesn't need money, and I don't think theymos is sensitive for it either.

There's a precedent already: Lone Shark (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=909705)'s case.

Well the precedent would be 1 per 1000 posts of real plagiarism where there is no sensible explanation like copy and pasting an announcement from exchange regarding that project in that projects thread or some mining guide that a noob asked for. Fair for all. That is also only in retrospect from this point. From now on zero tolerance for real financially motivated plagiarism.

However all this will likely vanish with sigs being deleted from all.

You will have to go futher thought tp stop account sellers if there are no criteria or rules for giving merit, and it is even harder to stop fake ico conversations though.

Years ago I hardly noticed any sig ads and the forum was running very well.

Roger Ver would be the first to capitalize on signatures being removed. He would start tweeting all day about how his forum allows signature campaigns and he would get all the traffic in there, which in return he would not only get more money due ad revenue but the increased traffic would rank his forum above bitcointalk.org on Google search results.

Some people are too idealistic and don't understand internet marketing and SEO in general. Keep the traffic source and improve moderation is the way to go.