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Updated 17/11/2018
Specs should be same like RX 580/480 moreless.
First benchmarks shows 15% better score in games than RX 580. Same memory clocks but probably better power efficiency on a bit higher core clocks. That means you will be mining with pretty much the same hashrate on ETH algo but with lower power consumption. XMR and other CN coins should benefit a bit more from higher core clocks and same for ZEC and also other coins that are more core intensive. But that is only my guess. I wouldn't expect anything higher than 5-10% higher hashrate for XMR and less than 5% for ETH, we don't know the base core clocks so it might be different I thought now. Also bios might be locked for modding...

Real Specs
GPU Model 12nm Polaris 30
Cores : TMUs : ROPs 2304 : 144 : 32
Base Clock Higher than 1469 MHz
Boost Clock 1545 MHz
Memory Clock (Effective) 2000 (8000) MHz
Computing Power 7,1 TFLOPS
Memory Size 8192 MB GDDR5
Memory Bus Width 256-bit
Memory Bandwidth 256 GB/s

Launch date 15th November
Price $300

https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-590-launch-pricing-rumor/

https://i.imgur.com/dTYRWsS.png

Bechmarks
Modded bios
https://i.imgur.com/VEFJTsq.png
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/996793-xfx-rx-590-fatboy-mining-performance-11182018/

Stock bios
https://i.imgur.com/ACPIXkc.png


https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/279676-benchmark-results-tip-for-amd-rx-590-show-it-beating-gtx-1060
https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-s-Radeon-RX-590-is-up-to-9-faster-than-Nvidia-s-GTX-1060.346871.0.html

RX590 Bios mod
PBE
PolarisBiosEditor 1.7 (https://github.com/IndeedMiners/PolarisBiosEditor) Supported!
PolarisBiosEditor 3 Pro (https://mining-bios.eu/product/polaris-bios-editor-3-pro-pbe-3-pro-performance-timings/) Supported!
SRBPolaris Unknown

Stock bios (original)
XFX RX 590 8 GB BIOS Fatboy https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/205256/xfx-rx590-8192-181031

More benchmarks
https://www.techpowerup.com/249060/amd-radeon-rx-590-built-on-12nm-finfet-process-benchmarked-in-final-fantasy-xv
Rebrandeon ;D ;D

Should we expect the possibility to flash the rx 580 with an rx 590 for better performance?

No this will definitely not be possible because it's a completely different ASIC GPU chip.

You could do this with certain cards like the VEGA 56 or some older 7950 GPU because they basically had a good ASIC quality but the manufacture just locked the extra cores and sold it for less.

However it needs to be the same chipset for that to work.

Yep, RX590 is an entirely different architecture. You can't flash the BIOS and wish your RX580 will become a 590.

Well you can try that ;D But it wouldn't probably works like it should ;D If you would try that let me know result ;)

What's with all the damn GPU ASIC Flooding the market!!  ??? ;D seriously though the GTX 1060 GDDR5X looks to be the real winner of ETH-Hash coins if the pill works for it. The RX 590 doesn't impress me they didn't even boost the memory speed we know GDDR5 can handle 9GBPS, but the power savings would be nice. On the other hand if ETH implements ProgPoW then RX 580's are near worthless at it whereas Vega56's with its HBM will be far superior, even to Nvidia GPUs. Then If vega 20 comes out with the 4096-bit HBM bus + 16-32GB vRAM then that will be a real monster for mining memory intensive algos.

You sure can try to flash a 580 into something newer, but I guarantee the flash won’t do anything besides possibly bricking your card if you don’t have dual bios or know how to reflash a card; I doubt the card will even display anything.

What’s a GPU ASIC? I assume you’re talking about both GPUs and ASICS flooding the market. The 1060 G5X should be moddable for the pill, but who knows what the performance of the card will be once that’s done.

GTX 1060 GDDR5X might be good for ETH but only with ETHlargement.
Current GDDR5 might have 2250MHz even more, but it make no sesnse to push cards to these limits with stock bios. I think Sapphire clocks some of their cards to 2100MHz so they might do it with RX 590 as well.
Vega is the king now. Will see performance of new Vegas with 7nm as well as RX 600 series. #NoRebrandeon

Price $300 buy gaming slower than 1070

what amd thinking about this product?

This video card is a small rebranding for the 500th series and in mining there will not be much gain in comparison with the 580th series. There will be slightly reduced power consumption thanks to transition to the 12-nm process. The real step forward will be new Navi cards, which will be released in the second quarter of 2019.

They branded as 590 bc eventually they will release a 595 and 595x2, thus reliving the glory days of 295x2.

Well this is their only answer for the moment while they do not have their 7nm Navi GPUs in the market and Nvidia is rampaging with their RTX cards. Though it might still be a tad bit slower than the GTX 1070 if they price it right there will still be a market to it. What I am eager to see the Intel taking up space in the GPU market as we really need more competition for it not only for gaming but for mining too. Hopefully Raja does not blow it LOL..

i read news Intel bring ex-amd vga design to intel vga team  in 2-3 year maybe intel step up to fight in vga market

It does not seem to exceed the watt performance of RX 470.

Actually it should be better or everybody hope so ;D

if rx590 make better power efficiency it good news for miner.

but in long term when miner what to change card price surely drop very much because gamer like nvidia card more than amd card.

and performance of this card not impress when compare to 1060 nvidia will launch 1060 with gddr5x with same price  and  next year nvidia launch gtx2060 too.

295x2 was just two 290's together with slightly lower clock-speeds, there never was a 295, however there was a "285" or fully unleashed Tonga core. I do believe Powercolor make the only full GPU RX 290 dual GPU. Thing was a massive beast of a card. Don't make me relieve my "glory" days of 295x2... I bought it instead of a GTX 980/970 because it was "faster" in game i saw benchmarked. The damn thing had so many issues with crossfire, dual monitors, and video games. Ended selling it for $450 bucks and getting a 980ti. I think AMD is done with dual GPU SKUs for good.

It depends on algo. XMR and other CN coins definitely AMD. ETH mining with 1060 GDDR5X will be better only with ETHlargement if it will work. The other algo like Keccak will be better on Nvidia for sure, but there is almost no difference with memory so you are pretty much fine with standard 1060.
RX 590 will be for sure more power efficient than RX 580, but we will see after first tests.
RX 590 should cost 300 USD, but I haven't seen price for 1060 6GB GDDR5X, but it will be more than 300 USD since GDDR5 version cost that.

gtx 1060 Launch price is 299 for Founders Edition and other brand price around 249-299.

i think nvidia will drop 1060 gddr5 to 199 same price as Launch price of 1060 3Gb and make 1060 gddr5x at price range 269-299

The RX 590 cards are out and shipping to customers. Strange no one has posted the hash-rates yet  ???

verylow hashrates :D
continue to test

Here is good review of RX 590, but nothing about hashrate:
https://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/124211-amd-radeon-rx-590/

According to review:
"Though no obvious changes in architecture have occurred since the original Polaris XT (Radeon RX 480)
launch in June 2016, this latest GPU, Radeon RX 590, kicks up the core clock by over 20 percent.

Radeon RX 590, therefore, is an overclocked Radeon RX 580 which is an overclocked Radeon RX 480."

Hi I read reviews for the RX 590, 1070 and 1070ti think there is a graphics card between. If the price is $ 250, I think it could be a great start.

You can get it for $229 (before taxes) if you apply for the amazon card, here is the link if anybody is interested (no affiliate)

https://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Backplate-Special-Graphic-11289-01-20G/dp/B07K12KNHG/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1542404538&sr=8-2&keywords=rx+590

I got one for me but I wont get it until Nov 28, will share hashrate here, Im interested in, see how it does on Raven since the core clock is higher.

I think there's something afoul about that article. How can you go from a 14nm chip to a 12nm chip and double the power requirements? 225 watts? Don't smaller die chips usually go the other way on power consumption? If you're not making a more power efficient and higher performance product what's the point? Everyone will simply switch back to $100 used RX 470s and 480s and call it a day while AMD goes down in flames. Something is definitely odd.
Chris B.

Yea, but it cant be the same die size if its a node shrink.

Nothing new actually from this card except a bit of more Teraflop. Amd has not brought anything new like Nvidia did with their RTX. I hope they have in mind something better for mining in March of next year, at that time usually they come up with something new.

Mining at this point makes very little sense although I am keeping my miner on. We should wait for something better than a card with 225 watt power consumption with no real improvement to the hashrate, that 10-15% more performance is seen only in gaming so far.

I've ordered 1 (one) Sapphire RX 590 from Amazon to test. If it performs good with decent running wattage I'll buy more. If not, it will be disposed of on Ebay and I'll stick to the older 4th and "5th" so called gen cards. 12 nm has got to be better than 14nm, surely.
Chris B.

Depends on the algo, core intensive algos might have advantage on rx590 but at the price of higher consumption, memory is pretty much the same as on rx570/580

STrange that nobody isnt showing eth hashrate.Does anybody know will polaris work with 590?
I will probably buy one on monday its 250e app 300 dolars (Fatboy from xfx,probably micron memory) and try it out myself and ofc share results.

Undervolted it might be actually pretty good, but will see.
Let us know guys.

Edit:

PBE 1.7 and PBE 3 Pro should be compatible with the RX 590 bios, but only if you have Micron timings, it doesn't change timings for Hynix, so there won't be better hashrate.
Just like the latest RX 580 from XFX, the XFX RX 590 bios that I have has Hynix memory H5GC8H24AJ, which is currently not tested. So if you would like to help me with timings for H5GC8H24AJ you can test them, send me an e-mail monerobiosedit@gmail.com

PBE 3
https://mining-bios.eu/product/polaris-bios-editor-3-pro-pbe-3-pro-performance-timings/
PBE 1.7
https://github.com/IndeedMiners/PolarisBiosEditor/releases

what a bargain ....from 70$ to 55$ for a bios editor  ;D

55 USD is standard price for like last 9 months. I think it is reasonable price for what it includes, you can always stick with the free version, but with lower hashrate also.

A few reasons. First one is that 14nm -> 12nm is not a major change in die size. And second is that you can see that they have very different clock rates.

You need to compare the power consumption with equal specs and you will notice a difference but it will be minor change.

I agree with you however that an $100 second hand RX 470/570 is a better bargain if you are mining, however these are mostly geared towards gamers.

I wouldn't be surprised if RX 590 can handle 200MHz higher core at the same voltage even while undervolted. This means that 1400MHz @0.9V or 1200MHz @0.8V is possible, which brings ~15% higher hash OR ~10% lower power draw on core-bound algorithms, including cryptonight. Ethash hashrate will most likely be unaffected, so this card wouldn't be viable for ethereum.

The performance of the RX590 is increased by 12-15% (Core - 1469-1545 Mhz), so its hashrate during the mining of the Ether will give 30-32 mh, which allows to compete with GTX1070.
If we compare the memory bandwidth of the GTX1060 6 Gb GDDR5X (192 bits) and the Radeon AMD RX590 (256 bits), we see a 7% lag of the model from Nvidia, which is completely leveled by a higher memory speed (by 20%). Performance of the memory subsystem of both video cards is approximately the same with a small gain from Nvidia (when using ETHlargementPill).
Considering that GTX1060 6 Gb GDDR5X uses 16nm process, the energy efficiency of these cards should theoretically be worse than that of the RX590, which are produced with 12 nm process. But in practice, AMD cards can consume more because they use more cores.

Ethereum hashrate has almost nothing to do with core speed, as long as it is high enough (around 1150-1200MHz mark). Increasing it further has no effect on the hash.

Higher core clocks are better for Monero and other CN coins.

Well, considering it's 12nm vs 14nm previously on 580/570's I would expect less power draw, clock for clock. So a slightly more efficient 580, really. Or you could push the clocks higher than what existing 580's could to date, at the expense of power draw, however. So theoretically, it can't be worse than the old cards. The question's rather whether they are better enough to want to buy them.

My guess so far is no.

Every 100 Mhz of GPU Core gives about 0,5 Mh. Also you will have decreased consumption.

They have different Cores: RX580 - 14 nm, RX590 - 12 nm. There is no possibility to change these physical parameters.

That is MemClock. The core clock should be good for XMR, once Team Red Miner optimizes it. And this should be competing with the newer GTX1060 using GDDR5X ram.

It seems to me that Rx590 will have much better hashrate on Monero and a little bit better hashrate on Ether than new GTX1060 thanks to the big quantity of Cores.

Newer video cards will be more energy efficient due to smaller transistors. This will allow the use of higher frequencies at lower voltages, which will increase the overall efficiency of mining.

What drivers version are you using? 18.6.1 won't recognize my rx590 and using 18.11.2 with 1500/950 2200/950 I'm only hashing 746h/s on average using srbminer and teamredminer, cnsaber and cnv8 are both performing worst than my rx580.



My card is the Sapphire rx590 with micron memory. (got the bios file ready using PBE 3 Pro, but haven't flashed the card yet)

It is normal that some configurations aren’t working or have some problems. New drivers are usually late for new AMD video cards. I think that the final version of the well-working drivers for video cards with new chips RX590 will appear in 1-2 months.

I didn't buy RX590, so can't tell.
If you don't have modded bios you can't probably have better hashrate. Make sure you have a backup of your original bios before flash.

No difference between the 580, AMD just to get the job out of a ridiculous GPU seems to be. It would be more logical to go and buy 1070 or 580 instead of paying that money.

RX 580 yeah, but 1070? Where can you get GTX 1070 for such a money?

i can make your gpu bios better than Polaris paid version  ;) i bought it in september 2018 just 4 fun and he cant config perfect with 0 errors gpu by gpu ;) i spent more than 9 years to modd cpu , gpu and a lot of hardware components ... pm if you want pro bios with 0 errors .

I agree with you. This card has hashrate of GTX1070 on many algorithms, and the price is much lower. All the same, 12 nm technological process means a lot in comparison with 16 nm for GTX1070 series video cards

just curious i got a fatboy and im getting under 31mhs. i am pretty new to mining so when purchasing this i went for gaming as well as mining but definitely screwed the mining part up.

im at cclock 1349(any lower doesnt affect wattage afaik), 860mv/ 2249mhz memclock, 860mv. im using about 138w with the gpu. ive got one click timing from AMD Tweaker Tool as well.  anyone care to share their specs on the 590?

btw ive got a hynix memory.

is it possible to have a rig with R580 and RX 590? does it work under the same miner?

Yes it works,it is the same as having a rig with Nvidia and ATI cards but keep in mind that the best performance of a mining rig is always when you use the same version of Gpu with the same driver so you minimize drivers conflicts this way.

Yes, it works like a charm. Just install the latest Adrenaline drivers.

That is completely different case...

great thanks.
have a rig of 4 580 and 4 gtx 960, wanna swap the GTX with RX 5xx
never was fan of nvidia cards.

what's the hashrate are you getting with RX580? can't get miner to go above 700 (XMR).

You need bios mod at least the classic free timings https://github.com/IndeedMiners/PBE-Polaris-Bios-Editor-1.7.2
RX 580 and 590 will work together much better than with 960. Also don't forget to switch cards to compute workload.

Hi.

I'm running into an issue here. I recently bought an RX 590 (Gigabyte) and it has apparently a new set of Samsung memories (K4G80325FC) which are unrecognized in PBE 1.7.2 for the "one-click mod".

I would vastly appreciate if this could be made to my card, the BIOS mod.

If it is any help, it is a "Revision 2.0" model of the RX590 from Gigabyte.

Any extra information you could need I could provide.

I am only achieving 27.5 MH/s in ETH/ETC Claymore/Phoenix, when I was doing 30.5 MH/s on my old Asrock RX 580 (8 GB)

I am highly interested in making this work for these cards for everybody, so if you guys need any extra information about the card, just ask away.

Many thanks,

Juan. - Buenos Aires, Argentina

I buy the same Gygabyte RX590 gaming Rev2 at black friday and it's just horrible... stock i have these speed... i didn't understand how you can have 27.5 on ETC, i have 10 on Clay and 15 on phoenix... My benchmark https://i.imgur.com/bAxCPPu.jpg

Well, wow. That's definitely something bad with your card. At least I was getting only -10% than RX580, which is not extremely bad, as yours.

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I wish I could get it to at least equal the HR I was getting before.

This card for some reason, though, consumes less power than my RX580, which still makes the whole deal equally profitable than before.
It is very weird, since these were supposed to consume more, not less, as well as perform more (not less).

Very, very strange.

I don't mind pumping it volts as long as I can get a decent HR... since I have free electricity... which is why I bought the 590, even though it was supposed to consume more power.

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Definitely hoping this issue gets assessed by PBE creator, and also AMD, since it might be a driver issue, since RX590 is the last coin in the jar of Polaris, even if it is a brand new architecture.

It seems weird AMD would create a new architecture only for this RX590 product. I would imagine they would release RX650+ series in 2020 with this same architecture (12nm), and the RX590 is like a prototype, and we'll be getting optimized performance when those cards come out, and they optimize drivers...

But, this could totally be daydreaming on my part. I sure hope not.

We shall see.

Small update:

With newest WHQL Adrenaline Drivers (19.12.2) I've managed to run VRAMs stable @ 2200 MHz, and I might try even higher.

It would be awesome if somebody could tell me how to manually adjust timings in a safe way, or have PBE update for these set of Samsung VRAMs (K4G80325FC).

Maybe for Christmas?  ;D

It's no problem to add K4G80325FC in PBE, but you need to test what Uber-mix will fit, I can send you also some of mine test timings which could fit also.
Send me your bios to monerobiosedit@gmail.com pls.

It's no problem to add K4G80325FC in PBE, but you need to test what Uber-mix will fit, I can send you also some of mine test timings which could fit also.
Send me your bios to monerobiosedit@gmail.com pls.
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E-mail sent! Default BIOS attached. I'll await further instructions how to test this.
Juan

You have to switch on compute mode in drivers. It will give you 25-26 mh/s even without BIOS mod. Then try to use strap 1 and rxboost options in Claymore miner.

OMG, you fix my card!!!! All of that just because of an advance option to change.... A huge thanks for your help!!

https://github.com/IndeedMiners/PBE-Polaris-Bios-Editor-1.7.2/issues/2#issuecomment-576283188 (https://github.com/IndeedMiners/PBE-Polaris-Bios-Editor-1.7.2/issues/2#issuecomment-576283188)

Ok, unadvertently I can post something that might be of value...

I'm a noobie to mining so bare with me.

I am back to doing 30.5 MH/s ETH - Dual Claymore - Dagger Hashimoto

All I needed to do was set up "-strap 1" in configuration... so I went up from 27.1 to 30.5 MH/s

One note: I couldn't hold 2185MHz in these memories with that option set, but I'm apparently stable @ 2100MHz...

Needs further testing, I might get away with 2150MHz or so, which would easily give me 31.low MH/s, which is what I expected from this card (RX 590)

I can't imagine what it could do with a proper BIOS mod, unless what I'm doing is already maxing it out other way.

its a old thread i know but i am working on a 590 atm
this oneclick is awsome thnx

one question how can i undervolt the cards they seem to have a huge power hunger

If there is a way to decrease RX590 energy consumption it will be considered by many miners but 140watts for 32mhs is too high, a RX5700xt can do 120watts at 60mhs and some even find a way to go down than 120watts power draw on RX5700xt, it's always about energy

K4G80325FB is supported from like 1.4 version of PBE maybe even sooner. It was one of the most used Samsung memory type in RX400 series. All PBE 1.7.x versions from our Github supports that type and applies Ubermix timings. The bios you've linked seems to be working as expected with PBE 1.7.5.

K4G80325FC is one of the latest Samsung memory and it's supported since PBE 1.7.3. Ubermix doesn't fit on this type.

Download the latest version directly from Github or build from source code
https://github.com/IndeedMiners/PolarisBiosEditor/releases

i have MSI RX 590 ARMOR OC.. first time i tried  PhoenixMiner_5.5c, i had 15 Mh hash.. i tried mod bios. cumpute mod.. amd miner drivers, and nothing appened.. still 15 Mh.. i tried to restore all, and now i have 9 Mh of hash.. there is some tutorial to put it at 30 mH... i google and can't find nothing usefull

Without bios mod:

https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FykK8ehP.png&t=622&c=0ITn1u9OtOZA2g


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5319323.msg56414120#msg56414120

No bios mod ~30.23 Mh/s, 90W

Card settings: MSI Amor 590 OC
radeon 20.12.1
1175 Mhz core  @ 1087mV
2285 Mhz Mem @ 975mV

Added:github Eliovp/amdmemorytweak/
WinAMDTweak.exe -REF 40

Miner:
Teamredminer --eth_config=B

Just because rx580 is getting 30MH doesn't mean RX590 will do the same the easy way, they aren't same gpu and you have to find it's best performing spot yourself, some are getting 30mh on rx590 with no BIOS mod, stay busy with msi afterburner