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Title: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Inno_ASIC on November 07, 2018, 06:46:26 AM
Innosilicon announces the preorder of revolutionary INNOSILICON Terminator 3, the most anticipated next gen BTC miner is coming soon!
Email us: miner_market@innosilicon.com.cn

http://www.innosilicon.com.cn/uploadfile/uploadimg/2018/11/07/mg5be288c4f0c6b.jpg


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: olseh on November 07, 2018, 11:47:32 AM
Any specs, price or hash wise?


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: yianni on November 07, 2018, 02:40:05 PM
I guess they were waiting for bitmain to release the S15. If it is at the same price range and efficiency as the S15 Inno will be the new king.
And with bitmain's requirement for KYC now, I'm definitely not buying from them any more.
Personally I'm happy with Inno miners and support so far.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: elokk on November 08, 2018, 07:54:30 PM
Good job leaking a bunch of email addresses today. Another reason to not do business with these guys


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: mady_qt on November 08, 2018, 10:27:17 PM
They suck at customer support. I have about 30 A4+ Miners with them. I need controllers from the past 3 months, they dont even reply to emails.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: sarcheer on November 09, 2018, 07:11:38 AM
Good job leaking a bunch of email addresses today. Another reason to not do business with these guys

This is the first Iím hearing about this, what happened?


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on November 09, 2018, 03:54:03 PM
Yea, spec and pricing would be nice. Bitmain was fairly easy to read. Not really sure what to expect with the T3. If its next generation they going to hit 40-50 Th/s, 3-4k w? 7nm?


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Steamtyme on November 09, 2018, 08:17:43 PM
I wonder if they were all geared up to announce and then the s15 best them in some regard.

Innosilicon announces the preorder of revolutionary INNOSILICON Terminator 3, the most anticipated next gen BTC miner is coming soon!

These are bold claims; despite being generic and not actually stating best or most efficient. I like to think that these companies pay attention to their competitors and change gears in response to the market and their competitors; but who can say. Most still tend to sell out of gear with little to no effort required beyond having competitive gear.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: KaydenC on November 11, 2018, 01:18:02 AM
It's on their site now: http://www.innosilicon.com/html/t3-miner/index.html

43TH, 2200W, but ships in 2.5 - 3.5 months from now at $2279. Competitive price and performance if not for the wait.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on November 11, 2018, 04:57:49 AM
Looks like a winner. Date is a bit out though but diff looks sideways from what philip is saying. Could be worth it? The promotion needs a longer look.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: rifleman74 on November 11, 2018, 05:40:37 PM
Not worth it for delivery not happening until up to three months away.  And overpriced by at least $500


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on November 11, 2018, 06:24:08 PM
Not worth it for delivery not happening until up to three months away.  And overpriced by at least $500

3 months is a long time.
even with sideways movement  in diff  
We have been close to stable  from Aug 24 to Nov 15  for that to keep up  means  BCH fork has to do Okay  Keeping about  20% of hash  not 10%
Lets argue  there is  about 65,000,000,000 gh on the soon to be 3 coins.
At the moment about 45-50,000,000,000 is on BTC  and about 15-20,000,000,000 is on BCH/Fork

this is a very interesting dynamic   which calls for careful hedging to survive  what happens in the next 90 days.
Ie Hodling BTC,BCH and having gear is good.  what is the correct ratio  I don't know.

But lets analyze  this gear  43th/2200 watts  would be great if you had it today.
But compare it to 3x s9i  same hash   uses  4200 watts.  so 4.2 x 24 = 100 kwatts a day x 180 = 18000 kwatts  at 10 cents 1800 usd
what does this gear cost 2279 now for a usa guy it is 2900 + 200 to ship = 3100
what are 3 s9i with psu's about 3 x 392 = 1176 - 165 in coupons = 1011 and 300 to ship so 1311
so  I lay out 1311   vs 3100    in both cases I get 43 th.
I get 180days of mining for 1800 in power.    so 1311 + 1800 = 3111  vs 3100
the s-9's mined for 180 days at 43 th
and the inno mined for 90 days at 43th.
with perfectly flat  diff and price 1719 usd in coin from the s9  and only  859usd earned for inno.

so 6 month point the inno starts to  gain on the s9's but it is about 859usd in the hole.   six months is a long time  before you gain  that on  3100 outlay

Yeah higher then 10 cent power it is faster and lower then 10 cent power it is worse.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: rifleman74 on November 11, 2018, 07:11:43 PM
Great info Phillip, having the s9's now vs Feb is a real killer.  I'm going to wait until prices drop and then upgrade...


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on November 11, 2018, 08:19:09 PM
Great info Phillip, having the s9's now vs Feb is a real killer.  I'm going to wait until prices drop and then upgrade...

It is why  your ratio of mining gear cash coins is very important.

Ideally  :

some BTC
some BCH/Fork
some s9i
some better gear
some cash

and ratio varies for all of us depending on our setups, belief in crypto future etc.

My gear mix is:

S9i
Inno t2 turbo 24
M10


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Inno_ASIC on November 12, 2018, 02:02:17 AM
The Innosilicon Terminator3 miner adopts innovative architecture to generate powerful SHA256 43TH/s (Ī 5%) hash rate with only 2100W (+/- 10%). The 48.83W/TH performance is pushing the limit and will give you the unbeatable advantage in mining in the foreseeable future among all technologies.

INNOSILICON T3 is designed to be the long lasting product with many improvement over its predecessors for longevity. It adopts the state-of-the-art technology with the innovative dynamic frequency scaling and extra cooling system for added efficiency and reliability. Yes, the miner is built for improved durability.

Hashrate: 43TH/s (+/-5%)
Power Consumption: 2100W ( +/- 10%, normal mode, at the wall, with 93% efficiency PSU, 25įC temperature )
Dimensions: Single Tube, 430mm(L)*141mm(W)*220mm(H)
Net Weight: 10.02KG
Ambient Temperature: 0-40į
Network Connection: Ethernet
Note: ASIC Boost Enabled with a proper license


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: onprofit on November 13, 2018, 02:20:25 AM
Yesterday I fell in a coup from a fake Innosilicon website. Careful when searching on Google, the first site that appears is SCAM.

Official site -> innosilicon.com
False site -> inņosilicon.com
NOTE: I do not know how, but the address in the place in the "n" is "ņ" and because of that little difference I did not notice.

REPORT SCAM: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5067878.msg47827533

:'(


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Inno_ASIC on November 13, 2018, 10:57:26 AM
Yesterday I fell in a coup from a fake Innosilicon website. Careful when searching on Google, the first site that appears is SCAM.

Official site -> innosilicon.com
False site -> inņosilicon.com
NOTE: I do not know how, but the address in the place in the "n" is "ņ" and because of that little difference I did not notice.

REPORT SCAM: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5067878.msg47827533

:'(

Thank you for your feedback.

We have announced it on our official website and twitter. And we have also complained it to Google because the do ads on Google.

And we also expect that customers can go to Google to complain this fraud website to speed up this process.

Thank you a lot.



Dear customers, please be careful to check and confirm with our official sources before you pay. Our official website is www.innosilicon.com.
Otherwise, some website that take BTC/BCH only are pure fraud and do not buy anything from them, you will lose money and end up with nothing.
Please tell your friend. Thank you.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: jhartbarger on November 14, 2018, 03:28:37 AM
1 BTC minimum order (3x MOQ) for unproven gear that I have to wait 90 days for? I am still digesting the whole D9 fiasco you beat me down with. Then on top of it you pull a rookie move and reveal your entire customer list.

Explain to me why would I give you more of my money for 3 months on trust when you have treated me like you have? At least Bitmain sends me coupons usable on new gear and doesn't force a MOQ on me.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on November 14, 2018, 02:53:20 PM
1 BTC minimum order (3x MOQ) for unproven gear that I have to wait 90 days for? I am still digesting the whole D9 fiasco you beat me down with. Then on top of it you pull a rookie move and reveal your entire customer list.

Explain to me why would I give you more of my money for 3 months on trust when you have treated me like you have? At least Bitmain sends me coupons usable on new gear and doesn't force a MOQ on me.

T3 is sold out. You could join a group buy with us for next batch or on their T2T 32T.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: OgNasty on November 22, 2018, 04:36:57 AM
Would love to get my hands on a review unit.  ;D


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on November 22, 2018, 01:30:39 PM
Would love to get my hands on a review unit.  ;D

you and me both  it is a costly item more then 2800 to the usa


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Steamtyme on November 22, 2018, 02:14:13 PM
I reached out to them when I first created the Current Hardware thread, to get info on estimated Delivery dates or independent review info. That started for the T2T+, but moved toward the T3 as well.

There was a little back and forth and then nothing. Then they shared their email list with the world, and the price dropped off - just a wee bit. So I left the ball in their court. Funny how things change in a month, as I'm no longer in a big rush for the NexGen miners for their efficiency. With most of my machines heating the house now, I can hold off a little and see how things shake out.

This was/is the one I'm most interested in atm. That could easily change as their competitors put out their hardware showcasing their performance, while all I have is an unproven Spec sheet.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: mindtrip on November 24, 2018, 04:35:34 PM
I have one of there T2 Turbo Units its working well. They keep pushing out new firmware for it which seems to improve the hashrate and power consumption a little each time


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on November 25, 2018, 01:09:50 AM
T3 looks great but we need "high time preference" releases not 1-3 month pre orders. Especially with the tariffs in place and pricing. $10k for MOQ is tough for the US market.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Apprentice on November 26, 2018, 09:30:50 AM
can anyone provide dB noise numbers? it can be for the T2 or Turbo.
Need to know my expectations.

in comparison to a S9 running a 25-27 deg Celsius room temp, is it louder?


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on November 26, 2018, 10:00:42 AM
looking at 90+ db at 100% easy.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: sarcheer on November 26, 2018, 12:54:34 PM
That PSU fan is murder on the ears, so high pitched!


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on November 26, 2018, 08:20:28 PM
Could try a register filter over it. Like I do with whistling asics.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Apprentice on November 29, 2018, 07:47:16 AM
looking at 90+ db at 100% easy.

so technically mining at home is a no option.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on November 29, 2018, 03:54:56 PM
Not if you plan to live in the home, or you build out for sound proofing.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Apprentice on December 02, 2018, 06:45:10 AM
Not if you plan to live in the home, or you build out for sound proofing.

any recommended material/design for sound proofing miners? (web links, amazon....)
thanks.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on December 02, 2018, 08:44:50 PM
any recommended material/design for sound proofing miners? (web links, amazon....)
thanks.

sound proof
https://www.homedepot.com/p/UltraTouch-48-in-x-6-ft-Radiant-Barrier-with-Recycled-Cotton-30000-11406/100656748

fire proof and short proof
https://www.amazon.com/Tonyko%C2%AE-Fiberglass-Fire-Blanket-39-inch/dp/B01FOILJEI/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?

A quick easy job
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuPXBR4Zi_U&index=8&list=UU-K1Sokgy3-4CdV_uZF8ubw

The easy way is under 100 dollars

the hard way is more then 200
A better more effort job

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6soWakwmK5M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THQHtFPkzuk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X15H0qLNyI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thH3vMx28RM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DySrCBras3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbH79FdVxpE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-9sGDZAWEM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Mqxy28jPvw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlB5LikKeiw

the easy way  is almost as good as the hard way

the fireproof blanket is well worth the money


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on December 02, 2018, 09:59:49 PM
Office ceiling tiles work well and should be fire retardant. You can get them all over and priced ranges dramatically. Even cheap acoustic foam will do something but it's not great.

Fire blanket is a must.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Apprentice on December 03, 2018, 06:06:47 AM
[...]

Great!
Thanks!


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Steamtyme on December 07, 2018, 05:06:42 AM
Anybody know where Inno is at with this model?

Op, your profile does say you are an official representative... how about some updates on where you guys are at.

Iirc the T2T+ is a new miner not just an update and should have shipped out last month; did they? Are the T3's still in production or on time?

I get that the market is not at all what it was even a month ago, but information should still be flowing at a better pace than it is.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on December 07, 2018, 03:37:45 PM
First batch wasn't slated to ship till mid/late Jan. Second is posted on their website for mid March. So imagine they're still in production.

T2T+? I can't remember if that was the 25T or 32T at this point.

32T batch should be hitting doors. Is there an order you want to DM me to check on? Or maybe we'll get a reply here soon.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Steamtyme on December 07, 2018, 10:16:55 PM
No I never did get an order placed, I was holding off on seeing the products. Can't help but wait for batch 2, just to be sure the machine hits the specs.

Overall they are just one of the companies that have fallen silent on products that were announced.

The t2t+ was supposed to be the 32 TH model, and should have shipped at the end of October I believe, starting to get fuzzy on the details.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on December 08, 2018, 04:47:32 PM
I imagine the the lack of US "demand" thanks to tariffs is also making a our hardware section of the forum a little more quiet.

Maybe we'll be able to get more response for demo's of their product. Though inno typically does videos showcasing performance. But I agree, with the physical proof philosophy as well.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Apprentice on December 27, 2018, 03:03:18 PM
did anyone receive the miner(s) of the first batch?


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on December 27, 2018, 09:47:26 PM
First batch had a late Jan release from what I recall.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Steamtyme on January 23, 2019, 12:27:50 AM
And here we are nearly late January. I haven't heard anything new.

, T15, m10 31T are best till the T3 is released. Which I think you have mostly covered in your mine.

@minefarmbuy snipped this from the other thread. Do you have a line on the T3 or were you going off the announcements they made previously? Just a curios mind at the moment trying to keep a handle on "the lay of the land" More to that as well I hummed and hawed between the three and settled on just upgrading to the m10. Happy so far even with the minor (hehe) issue.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on January 23, 2019, 01:11:30 AM
Looks we like didn't get pre orders for January. From what I have available that batch was sold out within a week or two.

I think we reached out to see if Inno would drop the T2T 32T under de minimus value but no reply. We're still waiting on word for sidehacks soldering template or something to. I'm hoping for an upgrade myself but my car decided to throw a rod and working though that repair right now.   


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: sarcheer on January 29, 2019, 05:28:19 PM
It would appear Innosilicon has released a video of the T3 in action on their blog/homepage, link below:

http://www.innosilicon.com/html/news/31.html (http://www.innosilicon.com/html/news/31.html)


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on January 29, 2019, 05:52:44 PM
It would appear Innosilicon has released a video of the T3 in action on their blog/homepage, link below:

http://www.innosilicon.com/html/news/31.html (http://www.innosilicon.com/html/news/31.html)

2125/43150 =  49.24 watts a th

I wonder if it has multiple settings for efficiency

Quote from: Innosilicon
The Innosilicon Terminator3 miner adopts innovative architecture to generate powerful SHA256 43TH/s (Ī 5%) hash rate with only 2100W (+/- 10%). The 48.83W/TH performance is pushing the limit and will give you the unbeatable advantage in mining in the foreseeable future among all technologies.

INNOSILICON T3 is designed to be the long lasting product with many improvement over its predecessors for longevity. It adopts the state-of-the-art technology with the innovative dynamic frequency scaling and extra cooling system for added efficiency and reliability. Yes, the miner is built for improved durability.

Hashrate: 43TH/s (+/-5%)
Power Consumption: 2100W ( +/- 10%, normal mode, at the wall, with 93% efficiency PSU, 25įC temperature )
Dimensions: Single Tube, 430mm(L)*141mm(W)*220mm(H)
Net Weight: 10.02KG
Ambient Temperature: 0-40į
Network Connection: Ethernet
Note: ASIC Boost Enabled with a proper license

So it has pool restrictions  asic only  and it will have multiple speed setting   see bold.

too bad it is so costly


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on January 29, 2019, 06:54:19 PM
Yea, these will defiantly get hit with tariffs. Looks amazing though, db's didn't seem to bad from the video.

Group buy will help some, but still need a solid count for discount.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: OgNasty on January 29, 2019, 07:05:49 PM
too bad it is so costly

Indeed.  I was looking at the stats and hoping it would be around $1,600 and would have probably been willing to order at $1,800.  I think I'll wait and see how pricing on the next batch is.  Looks like this is the new miner to beat though.  :)


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Steamtyme on February 01, 2019, 09:28:20 PM
Well they definitely cut it close for any news in January. The model looks nice but I agree it's priced to high for me ATM, with everything else available.

My guess is that price is to allow for this special 5 day bulk order discount, and it seems like it may be a small batch run so it could sell out fast. That helps promote that price point in the long run. Can't wait t'il March to see them in the wild.

I'm not surprised by the Asic boost, it was on their T2 models iirc.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: CP2018 on February 26, 2019, 06:43:18 PM
Is there anyone on this forum that has received their T3-43th/s miners with a ship date of Jan 25 to Feb 25, 2019?  I tried contacting Innosilicon and received no response.  My original order date was in early November.  My email to them was just an inquiry into expected ship date.  I know manufacturers are notoriously late in shipping while they "test" their miners or have other production issues.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Steamtyme on February 26, 2019, 06:52:43 PM
Actually these days most manufacturers ship on time even with the first batch, or they update everyone with an email or on their webpage.

Inno has been pretty iffy lately and i wouldn't be preordering from them based on that. Especially because it's not that cutthroat right now to secure a miner.

They missed and stopped talking about the T2T + that should have been released, at least they didn't take orders on it.

Edit: Just had to check it didn't change but the expected ship has said "within a month" since they updated the sales thread for the T3


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: sarcheer on February 26, 2019, 09:28:54 PM
Has anyone on this forum actually pre-ordered the T3 for any stated delivery window?


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on February 26, 2019, 09:59:18 PM
Has anyone on this forum actually pre-ordered the T3 for any stated delivery window?

no

my list of gear ordered is below 2018-2019

bitmain
t15 --  preorder waiting
s15 -- came it works
s9i -- works
s9 -- works
L3+ -- works

pangolin miner
7m10's all came and work I repaired one

innosilicon
t2turbo came it works had it since august


avalon
a921 -works
a721 -works
a851 - sold it as fully working gear
a841 - sold it as fully working gear

myrig halong
t1 - came sold it mostly working


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on February 27, 2019, 10:05:20 PM
Zero pre orders here. Such a long wait time since announcement, no go on getting live demo either. Innosilicon needs to look to pricing to market or release within 30-60 days. Now they're happy to host your asic for a poor rate as well.

I think manufacturers are using the tariffs to sell this service when they don't realize miners want/do run their own businesses and have worked hard to get rates or efficiencies to drive profits for their circumstances. I can say zero sales could be an anomaly or a sign they're struggling. Bitmain's announcement only amplifies the latter as who is going to invest on a large scale now?

Bring your best and be first to market.

Imagine the response to a 30 day release of the A10 or T3 when first announced.



Just noticed the MOQ drop to one on the T3.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on February 28, 2019, 11:59:48 PM
Just noticed the MOQ drop to one on the T3.

jeez

2229 usd
  600 usd coupon
1629 usd  27.6 % tax = 2078 plus shipping say 122  cost me 2200

I get 43 th at 2100 watts

2 t15's  

order separate no trump tax. use coupons

net 1180 usd

2 t15's   do 46th at 3100 watts   so it is 1000 more watts or 24 k-watts  a day 720 k-watts a month

that is 72 Usd more a month  1020/72 = 14 plus months to make up the power vs price.

and  the extra 3th with the t15 means more like 16 month wait.

the trump tax kills  the innosilicon.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on March 01, 2019, 04:53:44 PM
Yea, no way to import these and be cost effective. Innosilicon shipping rates are about $100 or more over priced and it's still cheaper to send a wire than BTC. I think the T3 asks for over $200 a unit to ship.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on March 01, 2019, 05:37:14 PM
Yea, no way to import these and be cost effective. Innosilicon shipping rates are about $100 or more over priced and it's still cheaper to send a wire than BTC. I think the T3 asks for over $200 a unit to ship.

I would love to own one or two but the fucking trump tax strikes again.

My interest is in the down clock numbers.

if they do  43 th at  2100 watts.  which is  48-49 watts a th at normal speed

so they do 38 th at 1550 watts  which is  40-41 watts a th  that would be good gear.

at the moment only the m10   will show up fast. say a week   it is 21th at 57 watts a th or 31th at 67 watts a th.

the T15 long wait 30 + days
the S15 sold out
the  S17 not up for sale
the T15 not up for sale

the T3  long wait 30 + days    plus the killer trump tax

or get used s9's from here and there.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Steamtyme on March 03, 2019, 05:25:44 AM
Honestly they had their shot. The specs sound great, and have for a long time. I just get the impression that if you don't want 50 units they don't really want to sell to you. Maybe it's just me but that's all I see when they don't have a firm ship date time frame and say things like -

Quote
Most Efficient BTC Miner, shipment within 1 month! (http://www.innosilicon.com/html/t3-miner/index.html)

Taken from the sales page.

Yea, no way to import these and be cost effective. Innosilicon shipping rates are about $100 or more over priced and it's still cheaper to send a wire than BTC. I think the T3 asks for over $200 a unit to ship.

I believe that reinforces the idea that they are looking for big fish to just fire them out a bunch of cash to host these machines. Really makes me wonder what their power costs are and what proof people have that these are the machines that will be hosted. It's not like they don't already have okay hardware that could be profitable with low enough power costs. Not to mention if you get a massive cash infusion for T3's.

At least they explain away the cost by informing everyone that they insure the packages for shipping. Unfortunately they also point out that any damage is at the customers cost, as once they've handed the item over to the shipping company, the purchaser is the owner and responsible for it. Followed by the bit where it will be insured in your name/business name, so ideally you would only be left on the hook for some deductible, but who really knows when you don't even get a ship date.

Not going to lie I would love one of these, I however never ordered a T2T so I have no coupon. Then there's still that nagging shipping date that I can't help but listen to. I'll be glad for anyone who receives one of these, I just have no clue when we will see it in the wild.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on March 08, 2019, 02:47:59 AM
There's no reason for them to insure the shipment if they won't accept liability. The freighter will though, but it would a circle game since Innosilicon "paid" for the insurance etc.

Essentially this is reason we carter to buyers needs not to a single manufacturer. Zero clients have requested to use their coupon so far and we did have some high hopes for Inno early on but essentially consumers drive market even whales. Not much is happening through them even the chips we've sourced for domestic manufacturers really didn't go anywhere because again they're not looking to price to market, offer competitive shipping, and their BTC conversion is atrocious.

Even 50 units would easier to move without a discount if the product was priced competitively.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: CP2018 on March 12, 2019, 12:10:54 AM
Just wanted to update that I did receive the T3 miners today.  Doing over 41 th/s in efficiency mode, not sure the power consumption; still autotuning.  Each miner was $240 for import/customs fees, shipped DHL.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on March 12, 2019, 12:23:27 AM
Just wanted to update that I did receive the T3 miners today.  Doing over 41 th/s in efficiency mode, not sure the power consumption; still autotuning.  Each miner was $240 for import/customs fees, shipped DHL.

please show a few screen shots and photos if you can thank you.

Best Regards,

phil


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Steamtyme on March 12, 2019, 04:25:41 AM
Just wanted to update that I did receive the T3 miners today.  Doing over 41 th/s in efficiency mode, not sure the power consumption; still autotuning.  Each miner was $240 for import/customs fees, shipped DHL.

That's great you got one. I went back over your other post, so you would be a Batch 1 order I believe. That's pretty rough, what were they 5 weeks late, I can't remember exactly when they were supposed to arrive. Did they ever respond to you back in February when you were following up?

Like Phil said it would be great if you could upload a few photos, and screen caps. This would be the first one confirmed out in the wild I believe, and I'll update the competitive hardware thread.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on March 12, 2019, 04:17:33 PM
here are four shots of it some one was kind enough to send me an email thanks

full size links are here:

https://i.imgur.com/Fdj0zl6.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/LNDexGA.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/hlAEFTj.jpg   this shot shows psu is rated 200-240 volts something to watch for if you go past 240 volts often

https://i.imgur.com/h6ch4QU.jpg

I do like the power switch on the psu
I may get a GUI shot later in the day

smaller size shots below

https://i.imgur.com/Oj0kw3g.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/Oj0kw3g.jpg) https://i.imgur.com/4BkiJOB.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/4BkiJOB.jpg) https://i.imgur.com/BCjpc7U.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/BCjpc7U.jpg) https://i.imgur.com/cXT7ztl.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/cXT7ztl.jpg)


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: judypug1956 on March 12, 2019, 08:33:23 PM
Nice shots looks just like the t2turbo you have.

do you have a GUI shot?


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on March 12, 2019, 08:34:35 PM
Here is after 4 min
hoping for a 40 minute shot

here are a full tune 24 minute shot still 41th
and a setting shot  lowest power setting.

no info on watts used  but the 41th is nice hash rate for lowest power.  if it does 1800 watts on that setting and it could do 1800-1900 watts it would be a monster.

Still it is costly.

https://i.imgur.com/EwKAwhh.png (https://i.imgur.com/EwKAwhh.png) https://i.imgur.com/HUkDPiK.png (https://i.imgur.com/HUkDPiK.png) https://i.imgur.com/uAZ7rDI.png (https://i.imgur.com/uAZ7rDI.png)


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on March 13, 2019, 04:31:43 PM
There's no debate the spec numbers are good, would love a draw read too. It's sad they budge on pricing unless you're buying bulk.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Steamtyme on March 13, 2019, 04:45:48 PM
Yeah that price is tough to get behind, even if you were a previous customer with that 600 coupon (if I read those right). I imagine  even more so if you are US based until the tariffs are adjusted.

The power switch on the PSU is nice, I only have one PSU that doesn't have it and it was the first one shelved. I would again have to hold off just because of the 240V, is that a true limit, is it just the generic "240" label. I really never used to worry about that until the S15, and now I can't stop looking at it.

Phil are the results from "CP2018"? I was hoping they would come back and discuss the process with us a bit more. So as far as the equipment goes we can call it confirmed. It would be nice if there were more out there we could see, and also to have a power draw. For now though I'd say that's enough to say it's been produced and sold.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on March 14, 2019, 02:46:10 AM
Yeah that price is tough to get behind, even if you were a previous customer with that 600 coupon (if I read those right). I imagine  even more so if you are US based until the tariffs are adjusted.

The power switch on the PSU is nice, I only have one PSU that doesn't have it and it was the first one shelved. I would again have to hold off just because of the 240V, is that a true limit, is it just the generic "240" label. I really never used to worry about that until the S15, and now I can't stop looking at it.

Phil are the results from "CP2018"? I was hoping they would come back and discuss the process with us a bit more. So as far as the equipment goes we can call it confirmed. It would be nice if there were more out there we could see, and also to have a power draw. For now though I'd say that's enough to say it's been produced and sold.

I have a small hosting deal I pay 130 a month to host 3 s9's.  I talk via email to him and I don't know if he is CP2108

or if he was reading this and sent me the info.  He shipped the gear up to his hosting spot and will let us know power draw with it on the 41th hash efficiency setting in the next week or so.

I would like to think it is 1900/41000 = 46.3 watts a th

but the price is brutal for it.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Steamtyme on March 14, 2019, 01:13:54 PM
Thanks for clearing that up Phil. It's even better that these came from a source you currently deal with. Looking forward to hearing the power draw, just for curiosity sake. The price doesn't even come close to making sense for me at the moment. I'll see what everything is priced at the end of the month and likely grab another M10, barring a deal I can't pass up.

Credit where it is due, if these power draw numbers come in on spec, this is well built unit.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on March 16, 2019, 09:25:02 PM
Yeah he set eco and is under the 43th of balanced at 41th  so he will be at less power than balanced.

Most of my innosilicon are not quite up to spec.  say 2-4% low on hash and 2-4% off on power.
If I get 41th on the lowest setting I would say the th part is on spec.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Biffa on March 18, 2019, 10:33:20 PM
They've launched a new iteration.

The Terminator T3-39T
http://www.innosilicon.com/html/t3-39t-miner/index.html

39TH and 2150W so quite a bit lower efficiency.

But price is slightly more palatable at $1580


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Steamtyme on March 18, 2019, 10:41:32 PM
The biggest check mark for me is that the rating is good for a home guy 220-268. So I would be okay running one of these at home, and those efficiency numbers are nice.

If I'm reading it right the price discount is just to order with May/June shipping. So still no hard and fast ship date. The 43TH model says new batch coming soon? I find their site hard to navigate at times, if I don't follow your link I couldn't find a link apart from an image at the bottom of the homepage.

Hard to say what I would go for if the M20 delivers as promised, the higher hash would be worth the efficiency offset.

Edit:

for me a m20 a s17 or the t3 all work...

in house I have 237 to 245 so s17 is a major if.

Are those a few more freudian slips, or just wishful thinking?


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on March 19, 2019, 04:06:03 PM
for me a m20 a s17 or the t3 all work

the clifton site runs at a high of 238 and a low of 227 so all psu's will work.

in house I have 237 to 245 so s17 is a major if.

3 T3's all doing 41th on eco setting

so 2089/41000 = 51 watts a th

this is better then the s15 on low setting by far hash rate is 2x power rate is around a tie.

as the s15 does 910/18000  = 51 watts a th  but hash rate difference is huge.

https://i.imgur.com/xmu36zu.png (https://i.imgur.com/xmu36zu.png)


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on March 19, 2019, 06:24:56 PM
New model available for preorder 39T version but release is like three months. Kind of odd with everyone kicking out new models Inno went down in efficiency and still over de minimis.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Steamtyme on March 19, 2019, 07:02:12 PM
Those numbers are great. Nice to keep the hashrate so high while still doing an efficiency setting. Thanks for the update Phil, I'll update the hardware thread tonight. I've noticed now that all the input voltage ranges are 220-264 V for the T3 models they have listed.

minefarmbuy - Yeah Biffa had mentioned it. The price and the PSU range were kind of appealing, even more so if there is the same type of efficiency setting.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on March 19, 2019, 09:24:15 PM
Well I have heard the 27.6% may drop on April 1st
 I have heard  22.6%
 I have heard  17.6%
 I have heard  12.6%

no matter what the 2.6% will be here to stay.

But I would love to see if a drop occurs.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Biffa on March 20, 2019, 08:49:30 AM
Biggest problem with T3's is actually getting what you ordered. I know people who ordered Batch 1 who still haven't got theirs yet  :o


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: HagssFIN on March 20, 2019, 11:04:43 AM
Biggest problem with T3's is actually getting what you ordered. I know people who ordered Batch 1 who still haven't got theirs yet  :o

Delivery schedule. That has been a general issue with Innosilicon for a long long time.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Biffa on March 20, 2019, 01:33:47 PM
Delivery schedule. That has been a general issue with Innosilicon for a long long time.

I didn't have any issues with the T2T's just order and ship pretty fast.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: HagssFIN on March 20, 2019, 04:05:12 PM
I'm mostly referring to the A4 catastrophe.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on March 21, 2019, 05:45:08 AM
Seems like the T3 even with "delivery within one month" is the only unit available in a decent time frame. Hope they drop price to move.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: yianni on March 22, 2019, 01:21:52 PM
I'm mostly referring to the A4 catastrophe.

Not only delivery issues with the A4. If you recall the hashrate they initially announced was nowhere close to the actual one.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on March 22, 2019, 03:33:00 PM
I think most of their altcoin units preform under unit spec, not all. Most. Their bitcoin ones seem to be more consistent. Looks like T3 is sold out in the last 24 hours more.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: McGordy on March 30, 2019, 02:15:28 PM
Ehi guys looks like that they have a promotion period from the 31 March to the 2 April http://www.innosilicon.com/html/t3-39t-miner/index.html .
I already send them a commercial request, let's see what would be the answer.

Does anyone of you have some confidence and experience with Innosilicon in general?


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: sarcheer on March 30, 2019, 03:49:51 PM
I have an A4+ and a T2T-24T, both bought secondhand with the T2T in new condition. Both have performed without physical issues since last summer thereabouts. The firmware that the A4+ came with was terrible in every way possible, but in December (outside warranty), their support helped me upgrade to their new firmware which follows the same design and functionality of the T2T series which is much more user-friendly.

However, I've never been able to get the T2T to actually hit 24TH/s. Closest I've gotten is 23.4 which I guess is close enough to spec to be within +-5%. Also, the new series of firmware for the A4+ tells you its tuning to different settings, but doesn't actually change its tune so its hashing somewhere about 635MH/s. The T2T does faithfully change its spec.

Fortunately and unfortunately, I cannot speak to Innosilicon's direct purchasing or warranty servicing.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on March 30, 2019, 05:17:43 PM
My t2turbo  has been flawless in all ways except for hashrate  as it falls a bit short of specs.

All my  inno gear has always been 3 to 6% short of spec.

but it has all worked without breaking.

I posted info from a guy with a farm on the west coast of USA  his T3 models on low power are good 41 th and 2050 watts I think he has 3 or 4 of them.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on April 09, 2019, 05:49:31 PM
T3+ was announced.

https://twitter.com/Inno_Miner/status/1115532025899782144


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: fccs on April 09, 2019, 06:49:39 PM
lol.  Knowing inno they will be EVEN MORE expensive than the s17.  Following by a half price shortly after


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on April 09, 2019, 06:53:20 PM
Will be priced high and Inno doesn't really do much in price drops till product EOL.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: fccs on April 09, 2019, 06:58:06 PM
Will be priced high and Inno doesn't really do much in price drops till product EOL.

Except when the z11 was announced  :D.  I actually feel bad for anyone that bought the a9+ at like 5-6k knowing it dropped to instantly sub 2k in a day once the z11 came out lol


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on April 09, 2019, 07:18:12 PM
$5k was a while back, I think prior was $3k. Still though .. .. .


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Steamtyme on April 10, 2019, 02:22:51 PM
I was just checking in on Inno, looks like after the last announcement they dropped the price of the T3 model. No mention on expected ship date.

Not giving it away by any means but I'd say the 39 TH model isn't to bad, if you don't mind giving up some efficiency.

39 TH model 1200 USD
43 TH model 1500 USD


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on April 10, 2019, 03:48:35 PM
43T is backorder, 39T should ship now at 1365. Not sure what the 1200 USD release date is for the promotional price.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Biffa on April 10, 2019, 06:09:53 PM
43T is backorder, 39T should ship now at 1365. Not sure what the 1200 USD release date is for the promotional price.

Take "ship now" with a pinch of salt, I ordered a 39T end of March and they aren't shipping it till next week.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on April 10, 2019, 06:28:40 PM
Sounds odd. What date did they communicate at sale?


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on May 08, 2019, 03:40:41 PM
Looks like a new version of T2T is up. Couldn't find the T2T thread so posting here.

https://www.innosilicon.com/html/t2t-30t-miner/index.html

39T looks like the only competitive unit available market wide that ships now/soon, on par roughly with T17 spec.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: jbillk on May 13, 2019, 08:54:04 PM
Just ordered the 39T. Hopefully they ship immediately. It really is the only competitive miner available at a reasonable price. Everything is sold out, or ridiculous price right now.

As long as it beats the S9 in efficiency, I think it will be profitable for at least a year. The s9s will slowly be turned off, and the market is saturated with them.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Biffa on May 13, 2019, 09:25:13 PM
Just ordered the 39T. Hopefully they ship immediately. It really is the only competitive miner available at a reasonable price. Everything is sold out, or ridiculous price right now.

As long as it beats the S9 in efficiency, I think it will be profitable for at least a year. The s9s will slowly be turned off, and the market is saturated with them.

Best thing is to get them on Skype chat and hassle them that way in my experience. Even if nothing is wrong, chat on Telegram and confirm your order and when they expect to ship it.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on May 14, 2019, 05:25:39 PM
I would buy while prices are low if looking at upgrades. Demand will bull along with market regardless. Even s9 pricing has seen a uptick along with 852, 911. Inno has increased their A9 models and I would expect to see increases to their T2T's and T3's soon.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: jbillk on May 23, 2019, 03:17:51 PM
Looks like 3 business days for payment confirmation, and 7 business days for shipment. So essentially 2 weeks for shipment.

Considering the premium price for "In Stock" version, they sure do take their time to ship it out. From my experience when something is in stock, it only takes 2-3 days max. >:(

 I'll be receiving it tomorrow, pretty good shipping time. Shipped within one week. 12 days total from payment.

Ill post some efficiency numbers, power draw and respective hash rates at various settings once i get it set up.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on May 25, 2019, 09:27:36 PM
I would buy while prices are low if looking at upgrades. Demand will bull along with market regardless. Even s9 pricing has seen a uptick along with 852, 911. Inno has increased their A9 models and I would expect to see increases to their T2T's and T3's soon.

yeah it is hard to get  newer gear right now.  I look at a look of spots and I struggle to get it.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on May 27, 2019, 02:39:14 PM
Inno's stock has been easy to get but still a little bit of a wait. Even Canaan's 911 if a few weeks out atm and Bitmain is probably impossible to catch a batch for most unless you're buying hundred plus.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: jbillk on May 30, 2019, 04:11:39 AM
Here are my numbers for different performance settings, T3, 39T running on 240V...

efficiency: 7.1A (1704w) - 31.3th, 54w/th

balanced: 7.9A (1896w) - 35.5th, 53w/th

factory: 9.4A (2256w) - 38.4th, 58w/th
      
performance+: 9.5A (2280w) - 38.8th 58.7w/th

Overall build quality is solid, but slightly off spec. Seems like there is a sweet spot between factory and balanced setting. Huge drop in power consumption but only 3th drop. Not much gains over factory settings, but it down tunes well. Ill have to play around with it a bit more, and  see if I can get less than 53w/th. I like that it has 17 different performance settings,  as it allows you to tinker. Took about 2 weeks from order to door. No manual in box, or online even, they only have manual for T2, but everything seems the same. Paid $1400 + $200 shipping. About 5 month ROI for me at current prices and difficulty. I typically don't go for anything over 6 months ROI.

Looking forward to see if any new firmware is on the horizon for the T3.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: ZimbaCardi on May 30, 2019, 05:19:20 PM
Thanks for the review.

Price per TH is not bad either.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on May 30, 2019, 06:24:37 PM
Wait time is Late Q3 for T3's keep that in mind if ordering.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on May 31, 2019, 01:43:17 AM
Wait time is Late Q3 for T3's keep that in mind if ordering.

why do you say late 3rd qtr  ? the website reads july not august.

https://i.imgur.com/dvdpNxk.png (https://i.imgur.com/dvdpNxk.png)


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on May 31, 2019, 04:20:04 PM
Everything reads Aug/Sept on my end, odd.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on June 03, 2019, 04:02:23 AM
Everything reads Aug/Sept on my end, odd.

It has since been updated.

Frankly  I ordered when it said july.

I expect July shipping.

We will see how it goes.

a 30 day delay  from July to August.  is about  20th x 30 or

20 x 0.00003548 x 30 = 0.020748 btc or  180 USD.

It would not be the first time innosilicon delays a shipment.

For that matter bitmain has done it to me.

and I am going on a 30 day delay with my demo m20s.

which would be 35 x 0.00003548 x 30 = 0.037254 btc or  324 usd.

This is why I don't do preorders.

As a rule  they are always delayed.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: TheYankeesWin! on June 03, 2019, 04:10:18 PM
@ Phil How did this go?  Will you be on the July or the August ship out?


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on June 03, 2019, 04:27:54 PM
@ Phil How did this go?  Will you be on the July or the August ship out?

Even though I sent my funds in the the 30th of may and did get a response on the same day that funds were received.  They officially confirmed the payment today on June 3rd.
 
So even though they were paid at least a day before they changed shipping time from July to August. They simply waited until today to confirm payment. So most likely they will ship in August not July. This is the cost of doing business and will not be the last time a seller does this to me and other buyers. Who knows maybe they will surprise me and send it in July. ::)

https://i.imgur.com/rh5qGC2.png (https://i.imgur.com/rh5qGC2.png)


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on June 04, 2019, 02:48:09 PM
Their BTC rates are still pretty high.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Biffa on June 04, 2019, 06:27:15 PM
Their BTC rates are still pretty high.

You can sometimes catch them when the difference is minimal. Or pay by bank transfer, it takes a bit longer but no BTC exchange shenanigans.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on June 05, 2019, 07:42:45 AM
Yea, if it's pumping maybe. Everything is priced for wire. So with multiples you get credited more, that and shipping.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: mattaero on June 07, 2019, 07:45:15 PM
Will they ever reduce their shipping costs to USA?  $120 PER UNIT is crazy expensive.  When I order other miners from secondary sellers, its usually less than half that. 


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on June 08, 2019, 05:15:56 PM
One unit to the US from Inno is likely $250 plus. Each additional unit is about $100 ea.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: mattaero on June 09, 2019, 10:00:52 PM
One unit to the US from Inno is likely $250 plus. Each additional unit is about $100 ea.

That is insane.  How on earth do they justify that?  DHL Express is literally half that expensive.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on June 09, 2019, 10:25:22 PM
they want you to buy two or more at a time. As the second is quite a savings.

Of course if you want one at a time you get stuck.

I buy a lot of gear one at a time.

In 2018 and 2019

I purchased six new s9is
11 new L3+
1 t15

7 new m10s
1 t2t 24th
1 t3t 39th
1 new m20s

21 new pieces all from manufacturers.

All single purchases except the l3+ which were in sets of two.

If you notice I spread purchases around three different builders.

And I am not counting the a841s A851s a921. Purchased them from blokforge or got demos direct from Avalon.

My point is Inno loses a lot in sales to a guy like me due to shipping cost.  But thatís their business model.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: mattaero on June 10, 2019, 01:12:45 PM
Yeah, I have bought about 50 A9 Zmasters in the past year via Alibaba, and even orders as big as 20, my total shipping cost was about $700 (sometimes $500 if they double up the shipments), spending $3k on shipping is ridiculous, and I won't shop from them at those prices either.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on June 12, 2019, 05:15:21 PM
Yeah, I have bought about 50 A9 Zmasters in the past year via Alibaba, and even orders as big as 20, my total shipping cost was about $700 (sometimes $500 if they double up the shipments), spending $3k on shipping is ridiculous, and I won't shop from them at those prices either.

I would have more of their gear if they ran website a bit more friendly to people that do not live in China.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: darkv0rt3x on June 22, 2019, 02:40:01 PM
I would have more of their gear if they ran website a bit more friendly to people that do not live in China.

I can't understand this policy. Why they don't just have affiliates or resellers in other parts of the world? I can't understand! I could have bought a few units myself if it was easier to buy within EU, for instance!Why don't they sell in Amazon or Ebay or so?


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on June 23, 2019, 08:09:03 PM
I think we rate Inno as "good" on our satisfaction. I'm OCD so I keep their video up, it's sort of soothing.

It's hard to manage clients though when gear is in such demand, a decent user portal would be helpful for them.

Only thing about more distribution or re sellers is that pricing increases with every touch. Retail pricing on new equipment if available now would be out of control. You'll see as earlier pre orders start to land.



T3 50T is available from Innosilicon. https://innosilicon.com/html/t3-50t-miner/index.html


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on June 23, 2019, 09:06:23 PM
T3 50T is available from Innosilicon. https://innosilicon.com/html/t3-50t-miner/index.html

I placed order 1103 for one with you .


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: taserz on June 23, 2019, 11:08:48 PM
2k + $600 in customs fees + shipping... Grrr I hate this


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Raymond_B on June 24, 2019, 12:18:23 AM
Yup, and this is why I am asking the board admins for a section to discuss hosting. Tariffs/tradewars are really making it viable...


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: taserz on June 24, 2019, 12:39:01 AM
Yup, and this is why I am asking the board admins for a section to discuss hosting. Tariffs/tradewars are really making it viable...

I mean if you hit up resellers on alibaba and shit some will ship out of HK and such to go around tariffs.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Raymond_B on June 24, 2019, 12:40:58 AM
Maybe, but the country of origin is still China so you're taking chances. Plus their markup, trustworthiness, etc.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: taserz on June 24, 2019, 01:18:37 AM
For all, I know they ordered the part and are assembling it in HK. I mean if you order 100 s17 you can get them assembled in Malaysia by bitmain to get around the tariff... soooo why cant resellers be doing the same thing. But yeah their markup is a solid 100$ then 3% if over 50 miners on average.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: digital$ on June 24, 2019, 01:27:16 AM
keen to order 2 but they not selling PSU's for either the T2 or T3 series..usually purchase spare PSU's with the machine's.  can anyone advise on alternative PSU for the Inno T2/3 series?


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on June 24, 2019, 01:37:59 AM
I placed order 1103 for one with you .

Nice philip! Will be exciting to see a review coming.

keen to order 2 but they not selling PSU's for either the T2 or T3 series..usually purchase spare PSU's with the machine's.  can anyone advise on alternative PSU for the Inno T2/3 series?

Probably just have to request them. You can use our contact form if you like or just reach out to them directly.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on June 24, 2019, 02:45:01 AM
I added 110kwatts of power.  with this order I have 84 spare k-watts  left
 
I could need more of them.
I so like to try to test first then buy more.
It seems harder and harder to do this.

WE  may add  1200 more amps at 240

A grand  total of 400- 470 k-watts  which is 6 to 8 times the 65 we have now.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Biffa on June 24, 2019, 02:02:45 PM
Its a shame the T3-50 is such a power hog.

Its not the T3+ they promised, wonder when that is coming out.

T3-50 - 50TH @ 3100W @ $2000 = 62W/TH and $40/TH
T3-43 - 43TH @ 2100W @ $1591 = 48WTH and $37/TH
T3-40 - 40TH @ 2200W @ $1480 = 55W/TH and $37/TH

T2-30 - 30TH @ 2200W @ $960 = 73W/TH and $32/TH

No matter what your power as long as they aren't zero, other than the Avalon A10 the T3-50 will take the longest to pay itself off of all the current hardware.

Only upside is that you might get it late July or early August as opposed to August/Sept for the T3-43


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on June 24, 2019, 02:36:02 PM
Claim their efficiency setting is 33TH @1650W

$61/TH , 50W/TH

Hopefully a good mode in between will get you closer to upper 40's TH with better efficiency. 


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Biffa on June 24, 2019, 02:55:39 PM
Claim their efficiency setting is 33TH @1650W

$61/TH , 50W/TH

Hopefully a good mode in between will get you closer to upper 40's TH with better efficiency.  

$2000 is a lot to pay for a 33TH miner.

And it makes it worse than the A10 in terms of how long it takes to pay off. :(


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: digital$ on June 24, 2019, 04:08:58 PM
what a schlep to order via wire transfer, compared to bitmain where you download a "proforma" required by bank after order placed and making SWIFT payment is generally smooth...placed order with Inno and get mail confirming but NO INVOICE!!..making matters worse, only 24hr window to get this done....HOW?? Inno ???...when you need the proforma invoice ::)


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on June 24, 2019, 04:15:34 PM
Overall right now is more of availability issue for any unit. Very scarce market. If you can add 50T/unit in August you have some better diff advantage for a few months as long as market trends.

Only units you can get in August now is 50T, A1041, or marked up antminers from resellers once physical units land. New units of course, not used market.

Not saying I disagree with your positioning at all Biffa.  


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: jbillk on June 24, 2019, 05:27:58 PM
Overall right now is more of availability issue for any unit. Very scarce market. If you can add 50T/unit in August you have some better diff advantage for a few months as long as market trends.

Only units you can get in August now is 50T, A1041, or marked up antminers from resellers once physical units land. New units of course, not used market.

Not saying I disagree with your positioning at all Biffa.  

I agree, This is probably the worst time to be buying gear.

Demand is much higher than supply. Seems like pre-ordered next gen miners are going to flood the market in the fall.

Interesting times. Reminds me of Nov 2017.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: taserz on June 24, 2019, 06:13:31 PM
I made bank in Nov 2017-Dec


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: digital$ on June 25, 2019, 08:51:49 AM
what a schlep to order via wire transfer, compared to bitmain where you download a "proforma" required by bank after order placed and making SWIFT payment is generally smooth...placed order with Inno and get mail confirming but NO INVOICE!!..making matters worse, only 24hr window to get this done....HOW?? Inno ???...when you need the proforma invoice ::)

still waiting on response from their "live chat" ???  sent mail to relevant support address yesterday..NOTHING!! :(  by the time they send me that invoice time will have expired on the order placed..its ridiculous


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on June 27, 2019, 11:27:58 PM
I wouldn't sweat it too much. We send them wires within 24-48 hours with no issues. Still their response time is something to be desired.  


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: AlecMe on July 02, 2019, 01:30:12 PM
Hi all,

What is your experience with Innosilicon after ordering? I have ordered a t20-30 (i hope they will send me a new one, as another was complaining of receiving a used one.. ???)

I only had one email informing me they are waiting on the payments department to confirm my payment and since have emailed once and no answer yet.

Are they trustworthy?

Anyone had previous experience with them?

Should I worry?

Thank you


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: digital$ on July 02, 2019, 03:55:07 PM
I flat out refuse to buy from them based on inconsistent(to none)feedback from their support/sales. wanted to purchase 3 machines, that's a couple thousand dollars on gear/s..placed order with them...they send me a "confirmation of order" but no commercial invoice for me to submit to my bank(I need the invoice to make payment via wire) sent them 2 emails within the 24hr window asking for a proforma invoice--no response ??? ??? Im sure you'll get your gear/s if you've paid them but for me its a no-go!  keep us updated and happy hashing!


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on July 02, 2019, 04:00:34 PM
There is always something to worry about.

I have never been cheated by them in terms of zero gear sent after I paid them money.

I purchased from them 4 times  and received my items 2 times. I am waiting on 2 orders as I type.

late just a bit.
off spec just a bit.
poor BTC to USD conversion costing just a bit extra.
shipping cost a bit too high.

I must say  the gear does work well My  2 innosilicon  t2t 24th turbo have run since august of 2018 with zero issues.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: AlecMe on July 04, 2019, 09:03:44 PM
Thank you, this has put me at ease a bit.

I have received in the meanwhile an email from them confirming that my payment has gone through the payment department.
Now to wait for the rest, but no exact what the 'next' is.
I just know it will take 1 month from payment, may that be the dispatch or the arrival.

I have asked for a tracking number though.

Will definitely keep everyone updated on the time scale.

Missing Bitmains effectiveness and professionalism right now  :'(


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on July 04, 2019, 11:00:53 PM
I emailed them last night because it is July and when I purchased it ( t3t39th) is was supposed to ship in July.

They answered me this morning saying they have mine in stock and will be shipping it ASAP.

So I hope to see it by July 12th at the worst.

My second order with them is for the t3t50. Which is due to ship in August.

So,while they are a bit weird in their method so far so good.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Biffa on July 05, 2019, 09:24:09 AM
Well Bitmain isn't so effective right now because they have been out of stock for quite some time!  :'(

However I can also confirm Innosilicon's track record, however I do feel your pain with regards to bank transfers, its a slow process, not just with them but with quite a few of the chinese suppliers. However, in the end its just slow, nothing untoward. But it is definitely quicker to convert your money into bitcoin and purchase with that I find.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on July 05, 2019, 10:52:59 AM
I got a tracking number this morning. yeah!

So 4 orders with them

this is the third one.

the first 3 shipped close to on time.

The fourth order is due in August.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Biffa on July 05, 2019, 01:10:34 PM
Yep got a tracking number this morning as well, all good news.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on July 05, 2019, 01:26:34 PM
Iím pretty stoked.  I have 630th in Clifton NJ I will be adding

2x a1041 = 63
2x t17.    = 78
1x t3t.     = 39
Other.      = 40

Total hash added 220 to 630 = 850 th.   Power deal for me is 1/2 the coins

So 425th for Ďfree Ď.   Comes to .0138 btc a day or 153 a day

With more Inno on the way.
A 50th model should come in August


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Biffa on July 05, 2019, 09:59:54 PM
Yes, I'm happy with the Inno gear, I have about 450TH arriving at staggered dates between now and September

They just released a 57TH version of the T3

This looks like the T3+ they were hinting about, but its no where near as efficient as they expected it to be.

So 57TH @ 3.3KW for $2280

Delivery September


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on July 06, 2019, 03:59:31 AM
Innosilicon T3 57T available for September batches.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: jbillk on July 07, 2019, 03:22:18 PM
I'm happy with my T39t. Had to order the 57t.
They claim efficiency as high as 46w/th.

I like the specs, Perfect size for 20a circuit, doesn't get much better than that, and with the September delivery.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on July 07, 2019, 03:32:54 PM
Innosilicon T3 57T available for September batches.

I think I will order 1 of these from you.

I think I will order 1 m20 from pangolin.

I will have staggered deliveries

Inno t39 due this week

Inno t50 due in aug six months PayPal

Inno t57 due in sept six months PayPal

Avalon a1041 due in oct.

Whatsminer m20 due in nov.

Itís a plan.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on July 09, 2019, 12:57:20 AM
Okay got my t3t 39th model today.

set it to Factory settings and it is doing around 39th on factory setting.

still audio tuning  have to wait a bit.

one board is not fond of this setting as it drops tons and tons and tons of HW's

watts are  2378  for about 37 th or 64 watts a th so so frankly I may have rushed test so say 38 th and 2378 watts = 62 watts a th

https://i.imgur.com/MIy4CDc.png (https://i.imgur.com/MIy4CDc.png) https://i.imgur.com/nq5LHin.png (https://i.imgur.com/nq5LHin.png)



Switched to balance rather than factory and power dropped to 2050 watts  waiting for it to tune 2050 watts is a lot better then 2378.

edit 2070 watts 32.5 to 33.6 on balanced   this is a bit better then an m10 on top speed.  not 100% fan settings these do not surprise me  not needed in balanced fans should be 80%   since the watts are 300 lower  this is simply a waste of power on the part of innosilicon  note the  temps are much lower then called for on the balanced setting

https://i.imgur.com/GByYZbE.png

 (https://i.imgur.com/GByYZbE.png)

So efficiency + setting dropped me to 1757 watts and 30th

Fucking fans still 100%

I will let  this settle in so 58 watts a th is meh.

Not as good as my t17
not as good as my m20s
not as good as my s17

At this point all my gear is in house other then the innosilicon t57

This was a t39 model and the specs and listing for the t39 have vanished on their website.

But as I recall it is not spec or even 10% of spec.

That is very typical of them less hash and more power per gh is very common when you buy from them.

But they tend to keep working and donít break.

It is so far off spec I think I am not going to buy a 57t
I will wait on the order for the t50 to arrive in August.
And we will mine and hold for two months or more.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on July 09, 2019, 01:31:42 AM
Yea, my T2T 30T arrived today, fans are 100% no matter the setting. 17 settings in all on the UI only tired the main four so far.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on July 09, 2019, 02:13:21 AM
I have 10 fan models at home.

I have one that does 4000 rpm at 100%.

I will swap it in and see how that works.

I remembered why I donít buy a lot of innosilicon as there is no fan control

Just 100%.  Ie shit firmware.

And they do not like giving ssh passwords out.

For me I can tell I donít need 100% on balanced most likely 75% would work.

My gear also has a weak board..

But it came on time and itís mining.

here is efficiency+ which is second lowest setting  1757 watts at about 30th  or 58.6 watts a th

https://i.imgur.com/H0V7omz.png (https://i.imgur.com/H0V7omz.png)



https://i.imgur.com/lHOCb7Q.png (https://i.imgur.com/lHOCb7Q.png)



i am trying lowest setting as my fan swap  was a fail.

I am interested if efficiency goes under 1700 watts



all of below was a fail  so back to stock fan

I swapped in this fan

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Delta-AFB1212SHE-120mm-x-38mm-4-Pin-PWM-Fan-Server-Case-Water-Cooling-151-CFM/254255571182?

I set gear to lowest setting of efficiency I will post results.

note it will still run at 100% but with a fan that does 4000 rpm and uses only 1,6 amps at 100 %

the stock fan does 3.12 amps and is the abc model dbpj1238b2g

this is a savings of 18 watts a fan 36 watts for 2 fans but you will not get to run at top speeds since gear will over heat.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: digital$ on July 09, 2019, 07:26:12 AM
been running 4 T1 for some time and similar HW count tried all the settings and still high numbers, otherwise pool side hash rate is correct...dunno must be a Inno thing ???


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: BTC_Acc on July 09, 2019, 11:34:50 AM
Hello all,

Just waiting for INNOSILICON to get back to me regarding a query. If I decide to go ahead with placing a preorder with them for the 57t, I wanted to check that I have the genuine site;

https://innosilicon.com/html/t3+57t-miner/index.html

I ask as I've never used them before and so don't want to be scammed. I've seen various posts reporting different website address urls and so wanted to check.

I take it they are a reputable company?


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Steamtyme on July 09, 2019, 12:23:24 PM
[...]

They are a reputable company. That appears to be their most recent launch and is in pre-order stages. It isn't an improvement in efficiency @ .0578 J/GH , but is better than the T2T they have available. You would still be dealing with a pre-order though there aren't to many other options. You can also follow the links from this thread to manufacturers or distributors depending - Current List of Competitive Hardware (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5045732.0)

Edit: It appears Inno_Asic went straight to the sales thread and not a discussion thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5163003.0
I was considering creating a discussion topic for this miner but it probably fits well enough here. These are the specs taken from the website. They do say efficiency mode should deliver great results but I just look at stock.

Quote
T3+57T is a powerful new gen miner built on the industryís leading T3+ ASIC technology with improved efficiency, durability and cooling for better long term stability . Itís well designed to reach 57Th/s at 3300W in high hash mode. In the efficiency mode, efficiency could go as low as 46W/T...


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: BTC_Acc on July 09, 2019, 01:15:03 PM
Thank you very much for your reply. I think I'll go for it and order eight, better than waiting for Bitmain to release another pre-sale.

Thanks again.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: jbillk on July 09, 2019, 02:18:02 PM
It will be interesting to see the results of this one.

The dual tube design gives me high hopes. More chips, and better cooling than single tube. Looks like just two T2 stacked on top of each other.

Power draw is high, i'm curious if they will have C13 connector, I believe its only rated for 15A.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on July 09, 2019, 05:50:02 PM
It will be interesting to see the results of this one.

The dual tube design gives me high hopes. More chips, and better cooling than single tube. Looks like just two T2 stacked on top of each other.

Power draw is high, i'm curious if they will have C13 connector, I believe its only rated for 15A.

It really should be two c13 connectors like bitmainís s17.

I am reaching the 1ph level in gear.

The room is still under 90f but until the fall we will stay at 90f

 24/7 for next 60 days.

Running 3300 watts on a c13 is wrong.

Running 3300 watts on a c19 is borderline.

We have a c19 to our m20s frankly it makes me nervous since we are at

3360/216 = 15.5 amps.

I have a second m20s

So I would have two units running on the edge of safety

At least the t57 will have lower settings.

So if I drop to 50th and do 2400 watts it would be good.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Biffa on July 13, 2019, 06:00:27 PM
My July batch arrived as well, apparently they look well "burned in" with a light coating of dust on the fans. First time I've had any from inno with dust on the fans.

No doubt they will just say its from the burn in process if I bring it up, but will keep you updated.

Phil was yours clean?


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on July 13, 2019, 06:10:27 PM
My July batch arrived as well, apparently they look well "burned in" with a light coating of dust on the fans. First time I've had any from inno with dust on the fans.

No doubt they will just say its from the burn in process if I bring it up, but will keep you updated.

Phil was yours clean?

Perfect clean as a whistle.

That was a t3 t39

I am running it at balanced+

It mines on and on so far at about 35th

Do not think it will mine well in a home.  Fans are simply set to 100%

Pisses me off as they should run at 85% at balanced +

Wastes power and ages the fans to set them to 100%.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Biffa on July 13, 2019, 06:25:49 PM
Yeah mine are T39's as well.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on July 14, 2019, 09:42:03 PM
Both my 30T's were pristine. UI they show about 28-32 th/s, pool side is consistent higher 29.XX th/s.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: AlecMe on July 30, 2019, 07:00:53 AM
User 'Inno_ASIC' has not chosen to allow messages from newbies. Could you kindly PM me then to give you the order number?

@Inno_ASIC:

A month ago I had payment confirmation from your team and several emails have been sent to your company together with multiple posts for some updates... Nothing happened.

Your email (payment confirmation) stated:

Quote from: Innosilicon
Dear customer!

We are happy to tell you that your payment has been confirmed.
The shipment will be made within 1 month after payment confirmation.

We will inform you once got an update from the warehouse.
Your understanding will be appreciated.
Have a nice day!

With the month passed and shipment to be made within 1 month... could I kindly get some updates on my order?

Edit no 1: After emailing to miner_market <miner_market@innosilicon.com.cn> got a reply:

Dear customer,
The shipment will be arranged soon, we will arrange by payment sequence.
Your order is on the schedule.
We will keep you updated.
--
Best Regards
Chelsea Fu

Fingers crossed now :-\

Edit no 2 (31st of July):
Confirmation that my transaction is queued up based on payment sequence. Waiting for updates sometimes the following week with - hopefully - a tracking number.
Thank you @philipma1957

Edit no. 3 (5th of august)

A tracking number has been received

Edit no. 4 (9th August)
The miner has arrived, it is working beautifully (steady 29.4th on factory settings but pulling 2500W - will need better vent), it is clean, no dust, no issues except the sound :D.
Although, I like the small rubber 'feet' that reduce the vibrations.
This was indeed an amazing experience (innosilicon first purchase/panic/and all those mixed feelings)


Final question, hopefully, do the firmware update usually improves stability and/or consumption?


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on July 30, 2019, 11:48:26 AM
Nice work  keep working at them.  I gave you a merit for this post. you should no longer be a newbie.  that will update by tommorow


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Biffa on August 08, 2019, 09:57:46 AM
Just a heads up, they have over committed on some of the August T3-40T allocation due to "production issues"

People are being offered September slots instead on alternative products.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on August 08, 2019, 12:37:10 PM
Just a heads up, they have over committed on some of the August T3-40T allocation due to "production issues"

People are being offered September slots instead on alternative products.

I wonder what is going to happen to my t3-50t due in august


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Biffa on August 08, 2019, 01:05:08 PM
If you haven't heard from them you are probably fine, also as the alternative product being offered is the T3-50T it appears the production issues have not affected that model.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on August 08, 2019, 02:29:37 PM
I ordered two s9 se today just in case the t50 is delayed.

Thanks for the heads up.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on August 08, 2019, 05:52:59 PM
None of our open 50T orders have received notice. I requested to follow up on yours specifically Philip, I'll DM you with any updates.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on August 08, 2019, 06:10:02 PM
None of our open 50T orders have received notice. I requested to follow up on yours specifically Philip, I'll DM you with any updates.

Thank you  As I would need to order  some other gear if that is delayed.  Maybe 2 more s9 direct from bitmain

as 4 s9 = 56 th which would make up for the shortfall of the t50

Lets hope it is only t40's  delayed.

My t40 purchased back in May came on time  it was and still is decent gear.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: xxxABJxxx on August 11, 2019, 09:18:14 AM
Is the T3-43 a good choice across the Whatsminer M20-45 (2160 Watt) ?

Can get the T3-43 in August, the Whatsminer M20 in December.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on August 11, 2019, 03:07:46 PM
Is the T3-43 a good choice across the Whatsminer M20-45 (2160 Watt) ?

Can get the T3-43 in August, the Whatsminer M20 in December.

I would do 1 of each  spilt order.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Procaius on August 22, 2019, 01:35:16 AM
Perfect clean as a whistle...

My T2T 30T was also clean as a whistle.  My fans are very responsive to changing temperatures within my unit and almost never run at 100% unless it's a really hot day.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on September 01, 2019, 04:47:06 PM
So gear is now one date past shipping date.

So 50 x 0.00002300 = 0.00115 btc lost due to 1 day shipping delay.

It has not shipped today  the second of sept  making loss  0.00230 btc maybe a little less say 0.00002272 x 100 = 0.002272





Sept 1  50   x 0.00002272 =  0.001136
Sept 2  100 x 0.00002272 =  0.002272          place your bets on how bad it gets. ;D


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: AlecMe on September 02, 2019, 08:00:17 PM
So gear is now one date past shipping date.

So 50 x 0.00002300 = 0.00115 btc lost due to 1 day shipping delay.

It has not shipped today  the second of sept  making loss  0.00230 btc maybe a little less say 0.00002272 x 100 = 0.002272

Sept 1  50   x 0.00002272 =  0.001136
Sept 2  100 x 0.00002272 =  0.002272          place your bets on how bad it gets. ;D

Realy sorry to hear they are running late on yours as well.

Have you managed to get a reply from them?

For me, miner_market <miner_market@innosilicon.com.cn> worked as a communication line much faster than miner_order@innosilicon.com.cn <miner_order@innosilicon.com.cn>

Mine was 7 days late on shipping.

I place my guess on 6 days max delay for you  ;D?


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on September 03, 2019, 03:05:11 PM
third day of delayed shipping.

so 150 x 0.00002272 = 0.003408 btc lost which is now about $35.78 usd

four days

so 200 x 0.00002272 = 0.004544 btc lost which is about $47.48 usd

I now feel it is a race between my bitmain s9's due to ship on the 20-30 of sept.  and this due to ship no later then

aug31st.

Btw my t3 t39 has had a few issues it simply turns off about every 15 days need to be unplugged and turned back on ten minutes later.

If my t3 t3 50 ever shows up we will see if it does the same thing.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on September 04, 2019, 04:38:41 PM
From what I understand Inno had issue with PSU supplier. Hopefully they start pumping out tracking for these singles.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on September 05, 2019, 01:34:52 PM
hope so  today will be a five day delay or

250 x 0.00002272 = 0.00568 btc which is around $60.02 usd  this is continuing to look bad on their behalf.

In my case 1 unit  this burns me, buysolar, my hoster and minefarmbuy.

What also happens is I will not order from them for the t3 t53  due in OCT as I would think they would be late for that shipping.

Most likely we  will use a different company maybe avalon.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: TheYankeesWin! on September 06, 2019, 04:04:48 PM
Phil did they ship it today?


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on September 08, 2019, 03:47:58 PM
Phil did they ship it today?

No. So six days late. Most likely Monday will be the earliest possible so I lose more then 100 usd at best.

Today is 8 days late  which is 8 x 50 = 400 x 0.00002272 = 0.009088 btc which is 95 dollars at current prices

So for this unit  I paid:

full trump tax
a 3% paypal charge
shipping
unit price
full total was = 2587.74

mining loss =    95.00

just about     2683.00 usd.

paid for this on June 23rd  so it is on order for 7+31+31+8 = 77 days

at best it ships tomorrow  (longshot ?)

A bad deal for me.

They do happen.  Paypal would let me bail on this due to late shipping. I do not want to do this to minefarmbuy, but I may have to as the shipping delay is getting costly.

Since it is yet to ship  and the value of the gear has dropped  I would argue the trump tax is more then it should be as the price is lower  then  they will list it at. Realistically the delay caused a drop in value. Which they won't reflect.

50th gear pulls 60 watts  a th is not that valuable.

This is the peril of preorders.
This unit  is the longest wait I have had of anything I purchased since an m10 back in august of 2018.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Biffa on September 09, 2019, 11:26:23 AM
Looks like orders are shipping now


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on September 09, 2019, 11:39:41 AM
Looks like orders are shipping now

yeah  they saw bitmain's sale today and decided to ship.

So I have  1 t53  coming I hope by friday
I have 4 s9's   coming by the 30th
I have 2 t17e's coming  by nov 10th

this will be 220th  added to my 900th


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on September 09, 2019, 12:47:54 PM
Yea, PSU issues or not better transparency is needed when delays happen. We've decided to refund our commission on delayed 50T units, which is the best we can offer given our service model. :/


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Philipma1957cellphone on September 09, 2019, 01:22:47 PM
that is a classy move. I really found it interesting it ships on the day bitmain sold the newer gear.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on September 09, 2019, 01:30:16 PM
We're still waiting notice for shipping. It's just a mess on our end at this point with emails back and fourth to them and everyone. At least buyers know we aren't holding units since they're dropped directly from manufacture.

I'm trying to sweeten the pot more but we're soo lean there's really zero margin for our service.   


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Biffa on September 09, 2019, 02:42:56 PM
Don't be so Jaded phil.

They shipped 6 days ago on Sept 3rd. Which was 3 days before the bitmain announcement :D


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on September 09, 2019, 11:37:21 PM
Not my gear. Minefarmbuy said no shipping notice as of today. Also true of other single unit buyers.

Honestly they did me a favor. I purchased two t17e units today. I was going to buy two t3 53 for oct delivery as soon as I got my t50.  So their delay lost them a sale of of two t3 53 units.

I am sure many other buyers of the t50 wanted to order t53 pieces and waited for the t50 to show.

Then bitmain came out with the t17e 53 th for 1665 clearly much better then the Inno t53.

So the delay from Inno means I will get the bitmain and not the t53.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Biffa on September 10, 2019, 08:00:30 AM
Not my gear. Minefarmbuy said no shipping notice as of today. Also true of other single unit buyers.

Honestly they did me a favor. I purchased two t17e units today. I was going to buy two t3 53 for oct delivery as soon as I got my t50.  So their delay lost them a sale of of two t3 53 units.

I am sure many other buyers of the t50 wanted to order t53 pieces and waited for the t50 to show.

Then bitmain came out with the t17e 53 th for 1665 clearly much better then the Inno t53.

So the delay from Inno means I will get the bitmain and not the t53.

Apologies I thought you were confirming yours had shipped when you responded to my earlier post with "yeah they saw bitmain's sale today and decided to ship"

Tbh I got a shipping email notification on the 9th but the tracking shows it shipped on the 3rd so they took their sweet time letting customers know. And then they forgot to put the country of origin on the commercial invoice so it's been stuck in customs most of that time.

You did well getting some T17e for that price. I only kept the order for the 50TH innos because I got them as replacements for the T40s so only paid $1480 for them. But then they are about 3 weeks late.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on September 10, 2019, 12:47:48 PM
Yea, I would be hard pressed to order while the burn is still fresh. Hopefully we get an update soon on shipping. Sorry for the delay Philip.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: MBible on September 10, 2019, 01:22:52 PM
I just received my 50T today (shipped on August 31st).
Seems like huge (i mean HUGE) hashrate difference. In minus, of course.
I will get back once i'll finish testing.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on September 10, 2019, 02:14:29 PM
So it does not do 50T  I suspect it will do more like 45T  and that if you set to Balance+  more like 42t

I also think best settings for warmer rooms 80f or 27c  need to be Balance + or Balance ++

If you do factory settings in a warm room it will not work well.

I think I may have gotten a ship notice for the gear.  From fedex

Quote
FROM

Chongqing City, CN CN

TO

Howell, NJ US

MANAGE DELIVERY Manage Delivery. Select to review possible delivery options, below. Clickable.

does the chinese city above look familiar?

some one is shipping gear to me from there.

It could be  a HP laptop  or the t50.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Searing on September 10, 2019, 02:42:04 PM
... So for this unit  I paid:

full trump tax
a 3% paypal charge
shipping
unit price
full total was = 2587.74...

I see you have a Paypal charge? What Mnfg takes PayPal now?

I suppose this PayPal charge could be just for shipping of the mess of units?

Would be nice to PayPal stuff again like in 2013.

Curious in case the 'end of days' USA tariff ever goes away.

later

brad


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on September 10, 2019, 03:02:37 PM
Minefarmbuy and blokforge take PayPal.

I buy from them at times.

I have also paid offordscott a broker with PayPal.

There are a few other companies that will let me use PayPal.

More due to my status on bitcointalk. Ie my trust is very good.

I actually did get tracking for both the hp laptop and for the t3-50

the t3-50 is due this thursday.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on September 11, 2019, 12:21:23 PM
They said it had already had shipped but looks like fresh tracking.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on September 11, 2019, 01:49:14 PM
yeah my tracking is fresh it shipped on sept 11 hong kong time or sept 10 new jersey time.

it is due on thurs the 12th

it is in Cincinnati  with this notice:

Quote
Further Detail:
Further clearance processing is required.
Next Step:
A DHL representative shall attempt to contact importer or shipper if any further information is required to complete the entry. Customer should contact DHL Customer Service if not reached by DHL

I suspect that has to do with fees/tariffs  which minefarmbuy will handle.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: Biffa on September 11, 2019, 04:43:41 PM
Mine got stuck in Canada customs because there was no commercial invoice and no Certificate or origin. Might wanna check shoot them an email to get that moving just in case.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on September 11, 2019, 05:08:14 PM
I did this all with minefarmbuy   so he is supposed to handle all customs tariffs. I paid quite a bit for that 27 or 28% extra IIRC.

I wanted to do at least one purchased through him with it fully handled on his end.

We need more gear in clifton  at least 400th if it is all s17 pro gear.  Although we may mix  with s9 and s17 pro

I can do the s9 direct with no trump tax if I order 2 or 3 units.

minefarmbuy may do the s17 pros.  we will see.

Unfortunately for innosilicon the late shipping of the t3 50  caused us to not order t3 53 for oct delivery.

companies need to know late shipping costs them.

right now  the t17e and the t17  are both better deals then the inno t3 53  the late shipping on their part on a lot of the gear  cost them business.

BTW  inno made do effort to adjust for the delayed gear.  minefarmbuy the reseller is going to reduce the commission to 0% to make up for the delay.

So I am quite a bit turned off by the delay.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on September 11, 2019, 06:50:32 PM
Philip the $2.5k price doesn't include duties. Essentially its the unit price with shipping with paypal and our commission. Did you need help with customs? we can set that up.

It also looks like you selected a paid shipping option when this was manufacturer direct, which we'll credit as well. If you like we can set up customs clearance using your surplus funds (shipping and commission refund), but there will be a reminder balance likely to collect. Sorry for the misunderstanding.


edit: Looks like a bit in credit so it should cover a fair amount of the duties/tariff. DM me on telegram and we'll talk through it when you have time. I'm personally running your final invoice now. Link is on site.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on September 11, 2019, 07:15:45 PM
Philip the $2.5k price doesn't include duties. Essentially its the unit price with shipping with paypal and our commission. Did you need help with customs? we can set that up.

It also looks like you selected a paid shipping option when this was manufacturer direct, which we'll credit as well. If you like we can set up customs clearance using your surplus funds (shipping and commission refund), but there will be a reminder balance likely to collect. Sorry for the misunderstanding.


edit: Looks like a bit in credit so it should cover a fair amount of the duties/tariff. DM me on telegram and we'll talk through it when you have time. I'm personally running your final invoice now. Link is on site.

I just was texted a bill for 338.22  for duties I paid it in full before the edit.

sending you a pm here to get telegram dm from you.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: minefarmbuy on September 11, 2019, 07:21:00 PM
Nice, we have $213.40 to issue.


Title: Re: Innosilicon Terminator 3
Post by: philipma1957 on September 11, 2019, 07:44:50 PM
Nice, we have $213.40 to issue.

Okay it arrives tomorrow hoping it works I do a demo and move it up to clifton nj by sat or sunday.

so it was  2587 - 213 + 338 = 2712  this will take more then 1 year to roi.

uggh