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Early cryptocurrency adopter and outspoken Bitcoin Cash evangelist Roger Ver said that he is having second thoughts about his former alliance with self-described Bitcoin creator Craig Wright.

Ver, the owner of crypto wallet service and bitcoin cash mining pool Bitcoin.com, stated in a newly-uploaded YouTube video that Wright — whose firm, nChain, is the developer of BCH software implementation Bitcoin SV — had “fooled” him.

“It’s never easy to admit that you’ve been fooled, but maybe I’ve been fooled,” Ver said while sharing a screenshot of an email that Wright had allegedly sent him after he publicly backed BCH development group Bitcoin ABC — not Wright’s SV — in the debate over the impending BCH hard fork.

Wright allegedly wrote:

    “Side with ABC, you hate bitcoin, you are my enemy. You have f–king no idea what that means. You Will. I AM Satoshi. Have a nice life. You will now discover me when pissed off. And, no. You Could have had proof. Your choice. F–k you.”

Ver and Wright had already been feuding for several months in the lead-up to the hard fork, so it was no surprise when Ver publicly backed Bitcoin ABC’s vision for Bitcoin Cash — or when the characteristically-bombastic Wright lashed out by accusing Ver of wanting to promote child pornography.

    If @jihanwu, @Rogerver & ABC devs want to make #Permissionless Kiddie porn sites and Silk Road Version2.0

    They can piss off to #Dash

    They are NOT adding this to #BCH

    This is the ONLY real use case they have and it is not happening!

    — Dr Craig S Wright (@ProfFaustus) November 8, 2018

Hover, Ver claimed that his spat with Wright is about more than personal insults and political differences. He said that, over time, he had become skeptical about Wright’s technical acumen.

“Some things Craig says, I think are really spot on, but other things, he has no clue what he’s talking about,” Ver said, adding later that Wright had refused to engage in a technical debate at a recent BCH mining conference.

    “It seems strange to have Craig refuse to engage in any sort of technical debate there, and my suspicion at this point is that he can’t. And I’ve seen a bunch of things happen that make me skeptical — very, very, deeply skeptical.”

That’s a significant departure from comments about Wright that Ver has made in the past. While he had shied away from outright stating that he believes Wright is Satoshi, he had praised his vision for cryptocurrency as consistent with the one laid out in the Bitcoin whitepaper.

“Satoshi or not, the things Craig Wright is saying are exactly the things that caused me to sign up for Bitcoin in the first place,” Ver told Motherboard last year. “They are also the things that led to its success.”

Now, though, Ver said that even incontrovertible proof that Wright is Satoshi would do nothing to change his opinion of him or his vision for BCH. Paraphrasing Ethereum co-founder Vitalik Buterin, Ver said that if Wright did turn out to be Satoshi, it would lower his opinion of Satoshi — not elevate his opinion of Wright.

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What type of game these two guys are trying to play? Roger Ver is trying to make people think that the fake Satoshi is the real one or what? Sorry, Roger Ver we know Craig Wright is not the real Satoshi, he is nothing but another faketoshi.

I am really not interested or bothered about this feud to any extent. And bringing the identity of satoshi into the argument further reduces the credence of the debate.
Am more concerned about how long BCH can sustain it's price after the planned fork.
Most people are buying in now for the free new tokens.

more social drama that has nothing to do with the protocol /code..

Yawn
is this a bitcoin forum or a kardashian forum?
it seems lately anyone talking about technical issues of the protocol or concerns about utility wants to turn it into a social debate about talking and finger pointing at people that are on an altcoin that was not even coded by th people (ver wright) of that altcoin

1. ver didnt code cash
2. wright didnt code cash
3. cash is a different coin.
4. why talk about it

its so funny the finger pointing of distraction and buzzwords get used.

for instance pretending Wu has control of "51% china"
  myth bust: most pools tagged as "china" are not actually in china. even the half dozen facilities tagged as 'antpool' are not run in china or managed by Wu (some facilities even use bech32 addresses for coinreward which proves the diversity
  myth bust: a pool can have 99.9% hashpower but still not change the protocol. ultimately they just choose what transactions to collate or not collate. if they made a block that doesnt fit the rules even with a super intense  99% hashpower. their block would just get rejected. wasting all th time and electric they put into that attempt..

for instance: ver and wright want to take over the network
mythbust: they dont code.. they are just PR guys that stand up and talk. code=rules.. social drama=sheep herding

so while some are trying to advertise this distraction of social drama.. maybe its worth ignoring it and instead concentrate on the code. if you want real social drama of actual importance. aim your eye at the devs that do code. and look at their beliefs compared to the communities desires
AND
see what changes to code are occuring that can affect people. because its become apparent. when there are code changes getting discussed in one area there has always been a social drama distraction 'event' in another area to sway peoples eyes away from code discussions

ROFL!! We have two persons in this entire story, one who claims to be Satoshi and the other one who claims to be carrying forward the vision of Satoshi!!

So two wannabe Satoshis are fighting in the open about an altcoin knows as "BCH".

Why bother discussing about an altcoin in this section?

Pretty sure you mean compared to what you desire, which isn't remotely like anything the community desires.  The community don't desire EC.  ~38 nodes want that.  A drop in the ocean.

The Ver/Wright drama might be totally inane and irrelevant, but don't whine about it just because we're not paying any attention to the social drama you're trying to create from nothing because you have a petty vendetta against certain devs.  Your drama is equally worthless.

Wright has always been nuts.

Anyone that supposedly owns ~7% of Btc & bcash and can't move 1 bitcoin to prove it. (Lame!)

Sorry but Wright is too lame to be the original satoshi.  :P
With the ego Wright has , no way in hell he could have kept quiet for as long as satoshi has.

there really isn't that much difference between Roger Ver and Craig Wrigt as far as i can tell!

they both saw bitcoin and wanted to make a lot of money out of it. to do that they started their own coin that they fully control (aka bitcoin cash) then since Ver had more control Wright wanted to create his own coin (aka bitcoin SV). when Ver says he was fooled, he is actually saying that their partnership is now over since CW went another way.

i don't see anything new here either! this has been the story for years. nearly as old as bitcoin itself. people see bitcoin's success and want in. these people copy bitcoin and create their own shitcoin out of it. then pump and dump it for a while to make millions. depending on how long it survives they stick around for that long then move on to a new shitcoin, rinse and repeat.
while people are blinded by the drama the bank account of these people is growing. ;)

Next drama please. People have sort of 'tolerated' their public bickering, specially Roger Ver self proclaimed "Bitcoin Jesus" title and the amount that these two who claimed to be Satoshi but just short of proving themselves. LOL. Well its time for them to move on their separates way and I'm sure that we will see another counter argument and it will drag along specially that Bitcoin Cash is no longer the 'original' coin they thought to be.

This makes me think of the saying, "Two dogs fights over the bone and third gets it" <Bitcoin BTC being the 3rd dog>  ;D  It is funny how two people with massive egos are fighting it out to be the Alpha male.  :P <Top Dog>

Craig Wright first fooled Gavin and now Roger Ver admit that he was fooled too.  ;D The next people to admit that they were fooled, will be the "fanboys" of these two people. They are both snake oil salesmen and it is not difficult to be fooled by these people.  :(

And the soap opera continues... This is just the type of drama news I like to read ;D Especially with Roger Ver in. The Bitcoin Jesus is no more
But at the end, it just creates a buzz to distract the sheeps (like me  :D). There are always people trying to create indivision, it doesn't mean you have to buy all the stories btw

(Poor Roger Ver...)

Both of these two should have little to do with bitcoin or any of its subsequent spawn coins. Neither of them have any interest in anything other than their own personal interests and it shows time and time again. I can't help but feel things would be much better if both of them just pissed off and never returned.

Maybe a next chapter could be "I have become too greedy", maybe with some apologies to his followers. Maybe...


If the buzz makes them buy his altcoin or at least hold it long enough, the apologies chapter will not come too early.
It'll be your fault that the soap opera is cut short :D

Seriously? They've run out of steam promoting Craig and are hunting for another puppet Satoshi?


I have a better title ....
"Dark nights in a lonely cell"
Power hungry idiots like him who do everything to acquire influence end up badly.


The best lure to catch a franky1 pokemon: mention segwit,roger,LN in an a topic title. He will be there in minutes.

Craig Wright is a world class piece of shit.  Very big stinky piece of shit.  I can't believe he wrote this to Roger Ver.  Roger, even if you don't like what he is doing with Bitcoin, is a very decent polite and reasonable person. 

Until you use that "other" name for BCH he doesn't like.  Seems to be one of his buttons.

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I know, right?  His tinfoil hat must have some antennas built into it or something.   :D

haha, he was never fooled. it is just that for that period of time Craig Wright and his scammy ways were in accordance with Roger Ver's plans of abusing bitcoin and making money so he started supporting him but now those plans are no longer benefiting him so he is lashing out.

Did anyone ever believe Craig Wright is Satoshi? He is clearly a fucking fraud lmao, it's like he is not even trying, he had a simple way to prove his identity and he refused, after that it's game over.

doomad.
i dont desire EC

i mentioned one possibility. you then spun it into making it out that im then in some camp that wants x/y/z.
you even spun up drama that i am some tyrant.. yet. as i pointed out in this thread. if the person aint producing code they cant affect the protocol.

its YOU that is over dramatising peoples OPINIONS

how about instead of creating drama. you go research CODE.
and then stick to the debates about the protocol. avoid meandering topics into social dramas all the time. because it is not healthy for you

This is how it end up when you think you are smart enough to spoil a great work someone had work hard for to bring light to decentralized money and be early adopter now make him think he is superior and can tell people what to believe or what to do in this cryptocurrency space, they are just a fool as he rightly said and nothing again , instead of concentrating on his coin he was out there spoiling the image of Bitcoin and now his turn , so which one will be the real Bitcoin now among the two bcrash .

i have many times gone against jihan, ver, craig and core..

the thing is when it comes to PROTOCOL issues. only the devs write the code so yea only they are to blame
as for other stuff i correct the myths.
such as racism about china.. (nothing to do with bitcoin or mining or social drama PR guys that represent a brand)
such as that code issues are caused by devs.  (code doesnt write itself)
such as that code changes are caused by devs (code doesnt write itself)

EG the "china 51%" fake news.. i mention that slush is in thailand and f2pool is international and then i say how antpool is actually more diverse then people think
(but same old people only look narrowmindedly at small out of context stuff they can spin into social drama games)

it seems as soon as i inform about issues that are code related. many regular people from a certain group. go on a core dev defensive and not a bitcoin protocol/security defense.

another example
vers middle finger outburst
i laughed and facepalmed ver and thought he was a fool. within weeks though he made an apology to the community.. yet the same regular group of people for 6 months+ were making memes and screaming and repeating that he should make an apology(long after the apology) which again i laughed because the screamers making it into a social drama didnt even realise what scripts of screams they were screaming about to realise their own screams of social drama were out of date

all the social drama of pointing fingers away from devs and over dramatising non devs become very clearly seen as a weak and comedy response which i laugh at. as it is becoming very clear its the same echo chambers that originate from reddit/twitter

so how about instead of finger point social crap. or getting advisd on what social drama to copy and paste next via reddit/twitter..
try reading code looking at where code flaws originate and the defend BITCOIN the network(not defend a dev). stop finger pointing at altcoins and other non blockchain networks and other guys that dont even code..
start talking about BITCOIN(without the usual defend a dev campaign social stuff)

Roger Ver is a very intelligent person and a very important person for the crypto-money world. I don't believe he'il be fooled by anyone. He may be trying to explain something.

You could not find a bigger asshole than Craig Wright.  That guy is a world class crybaby: 'I am going to war with you and sue you with my patents'.  What a fucking royal piece of shit joke.  How did anyone spend 5 minutes listening to that guy? 

well now he seems like a fraud, in early days many newbies actually believed him! specially when Gavin approved his fake signature because he was paid to do so... and a lot of others only said they believe him because it suited their needs at the time.
when it comes to money everyone thinks about their own benefits.

Then stop complaining and either pay someone to code what you want or learn how to code it yourself if you don't like the protocol.  We're quite happy with it, thank you.  What we're not happy with is you derailing every single goddamn topic on the forum to wage your pathetic little hate campaign.  Shut up already.

i talk ontopic. EG mentioning the ver craig kardashian drama. that its just drama and of no importance..
YOU derail it into a personal attack to insult me while defending devs.

i have not told you to shut up of F**K off(unlike you). the only thing i ever done was tell you to go research

but if you dont want people to talk. maybe dont come to websites where the point is for people to comment about things..
or atleast if you dont like what i say.. hit ignore button.

    ignore can be found in the corner.. anyway ver craig are just "drama" and dont affect bitcoin protocol.. so lets yawn and laugh
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Speaking of Ver, I don't agree with Core enthusiasts blaming him for going with bcash. Ver is an idealist, he doesn't comply with bitcoin as a reserve currency discourse BlockStream and Core enthusiasts insist on, neither do I.

Ver made a mistake by joining to bcash campus though, he overestimated his responsibility and the crisis level both, forking to bcash was the only option he was able to see to keep bitcoin for mainstream, daily cash transfer practices. He was wrong, bitcoin didn't turn to be a reserve shit after SegWit, Core is not running bitcoin and we have a lot of time and a few more battles to fight before giving up with bitcoin and handing it to few whales who are dreaming of being the treasury department of the world!

I just started another topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5066769.0) which is somehow relevant, it is about an article Wright has published and I think it is the main controversy between the two:
Wright is scamming some investors by assuring them about "everything is legal", he needs a fully state-controllable system to convince old-white-rich investors to hand him their money, such a fraud is this man. Ver? He is really a fool, like me, following his ideals.

I don't believe in the school of thought that before a group of developers or a developer develop something new an existing system need to be condemn. If we think that there are flops in the existing system lets us improve on it other than condemning it. Bitcoin is the foundation in which we are developing all other protocol or mechanism.