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I’ve decide to open this thread after seeing that Lutpin has been red tagged again by The Pharmacist.

To make a long story short: over a year ago, I applied for the 777coin signature campaign, managed by him, and I was accepted. Everything looked good; he was one of the most trusted guys on the forum and was managing other campaigns.

At first, we were being paid weekly, quite regularly. At some point, we had a delay apparently because the escrow hadn’t been refilled on time. Then, we went on to two-weeks rounds, and we sometimes got paid on time but other times we had double or triple (two-week) rounds because apparently, the forum at the time of counting was under DDS attack of because the escrow hadn’t been refilled or something.

When we were having delays, Lutpin wasn’t saying anything because he didn’t find it necessary.

Then, last summer we were almost 12 weeks without getting paid. That was too much, and LFC_Bitcoin bumped an old scam accusation about the campaign.  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1403080.msg45638072#msg4563807)

Many people got aware of the situation and The Pharmacist gave red trust to Lightlord, and I also think he gave it to Lutpin at that time but I’m not 100% sure.

Finally, Lutpin appeared and said that it was his fault:


We finally got paid, and some of us left the 777coin campaign.

I have to add that the bitvest.io campaign had a similar delay to ours but people weren’t complaining nearly as much. Also the bitblender campaign managed by him got some delays.

I wasn’t sure but I was supposing that, after that, he would resume somewhat regular payments or he would resign from managing the campaigns.
But today I’ve realized that the bitblender campaign has been two months without payments (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1633979.msg48175077#msg48175077), the 777coin campaign hasn’t been paid since we left it (September 23) and the bitvest.io campaign hasn’t been paid since October 6 (when Lutpin got tagged by The Pharmacist (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=520313))

This way of managing campaigns is not only annoying for participants, but also for applicants, who can wear a signature for months without knowing if they are accepted.

I think Lutpin hasn’t been red tagged by more people because of the previous green trust.

What do you think has happened to him?

I can think of personal trouble, but if I was in personal trouble for so long I would stop managing the campaigns.

Or maybe he is making too much money apart from the campaigns and he doesn’t care about his trust?

 

Just compare who has given more contribute to the forum during their stay and find your answer. Of course is Lutpin (no offense to the other party). End of story. In the 777 campaign everyone has been always paid and this is a promise of both the owner of the campaing "lightlord" and Lutpin himself. I don't see any reason to open such thread. Maximum what Lutpin should do is change payment terms, he should do a minimum of 1 month and a maximum of 3 month before being paid. This will solve everything.

It doesn't sound like Lutpin was actually acting as an escrow agent to the campaign if they were delays caused by the owner of 777 casino.

If the owner of the 777 casino allowed the escrow wallet to become depleted, then lutpin should have warned participants that he was unable to guarantee payment.

He was escrow for Bitvest, also on the 777 campaign the escrow wallet was filled, he could have paid 1-2 weeks. He is unprofessional.

Only Lutpin can answer this question, we can only predict... Maybe he have problems in his personal life or he is too bussy to provide campaign management services. As we can see, he last time signed in yesterday, so he is probably aware about red trust left by The Pharmacist. But silence from looks really suspicious and unprofessional. Is it so difficult to drop an answer - what's going on. If he can't provide campaign management services anymore, he have to pay to campaign participants and leave this job if he value his reputation.

It's not the end of the story.  If he's having problems paying his campaign participants--and he's got a history of this now, he ought to not be doing it.  I don't trust him as a manager anymore, which is why I left the feedback.  We've all seen good members suddenly change for the bad, so his past contributions compared to mine are irrelevant. 

The fact is that I've got people PM'ing me about the matter of BitBlender participants not being paid as well as 777Coin ones.  Would you still trust him?  How long would you wait?  People like you put way too much faith in trusted members around here, because that can change in a heartbeat.

All these people who keep applying to Lutpin's campaigns deserve to be warned.

The casino owner seems to not care one bit either  ::)

If he has the btc to pay participants but hasn’t done so, that would also be concerning. Especially considering he hasn’t given any explanation for the delay.

I would trust him much more than this amount of time, last time we got paid on 23 September so I can wait up until end of December without worrying when I know I have had a past of received payments from both the owner and manager of 777 campaign. I would start to worry if nothing happens until end of December. As I said they the owner and manager needs only to change the payment terms and nothing else.

It's weird seeing a former trusted user just not care anymore, Lutpin has barely made any posts in the past months.

I'm surprised users still wear the signatures after not getting paid for 2 months. I'm just posting here to read updates :)

I'd say changing campaign manager to someone who has time to manage the campaign makes much more sense.

I personally left Bitvest because of that. The owner was also pretty lazy but you expect the manager to keep participants informed and counting their posts each week. We had to wait like 2 more weeks even after he had all the money because he didn't count anything during the 10+ week period.

Why would anyone wait around that long? That's several months. I'd give a non paying campaign one grace period beyond the agreed payment schedule then I'd be out of there. They're not charities, neither should you be.

There are not many options, there are no campaigns right now. So I believe the best option is actually to wait for a possible payment or not to use any signature. If I were in the campaign I would also continue to use their signatures.

Plus it has Lutpin's past, his reputation. And they are campaigns that are already happening for a long time with companies already established.

Admit that he has a good reputation, but he should be professional here. Throwing a message doesn't take a lot of time OR, he could simply put a notification in OP explaining the reason behind the late payments.
BitBlender still says it's accepting new participants. Since he is not active, wouldn't it be better to use CFNP in the title?

This is something I vehemently disagree with.  You're absolutely right--there aren't a lot of bitcoin-paying signature campaigns anymore.  How does that excuse a campaign manager for making his participants wait weeks for payment, not even sure they'll be paid at all? 

Desperation has made a lot of these people submissive in the face of some massive bullshit on the part of Lutpin, and I don't think that's right.  I know Lutpin has an excellent reputation as a campaign manager, but we're talking about the current situation.  If you people don't stand up for what's right, you're going to have to keep dealing with this nonsense of not getting paid and not being told what's going on. 

I think many people are too afraid to speak up, because they think they might get blacklisted.  I'm NOT saying this is what would happen, but I know the mindset that causes people to just keep waiting and defending a campaign manager who obviously doesn't care anymore.  I was in Lutpin's 777Coin campaign for a while, and he did a great job while I was in it.  I don't know what happened since then, but you guys need to wake up and see that the situation has changed.

You need to poke the campaign owner lightlord with some perky negatives and he himself will throw out Lutpin from managing the campaign real fast  ::)

Lutpin is not only trusted but himself a DT2 member.



If Lutpin is too busy then he can recruit a trusted assistant bounty manager or he can collaborate with another trusted bounty manager that can able to share his load for time being.

If he keeps the mum, then it will not be good for anyone.(neither for lutpin, nor for participants who are waiting for payments anfd have no idea whether they will be paid or not).

Lutpin has updated on thread ;

Most likely he want to transfer campaign. I don't know what happen to him, may be busy personal life or something else. We can't see any reaction about his red tag. I have remember once I joined forum and exposed scam ICO he was the only one who handle them. But recently he isn't active anymore there.

I saw that he was online a few times and didn't post anything, so he clearly had access to his account and to the Internet. It takes less than 10 seconds to write "I'm terribly sorry for the delay, I got some issues, will explain on the (date)", especially when you're already logged in, like he was. He didn't do it = he doesn't care.

You missed previous post on this thread where Lutpin message was quoted. I'll just quote it again for you:

I heard Lutpin has slipped into a life of fetish porn acting.

You don't say  ;D

Is he actually getting filmed while he's fucking over campaign participants?

And you missed the point of my post and this thread.
I was talking about the time before he came back. About those weeks when he was ignoring people and not paying them (before november 27) and he was logging in and not posting anything. I also didn't see anything close to "I'm sorry" in his post.

Sorry if I missunderstood your post. I just thought that you didn't saw that post of him, I'm not trying to justify Lutpin actions. Yeah, he came back without an apology, like nothing didn't happened. Wouldn't be surprised if such long payment delays will continue. It's shameful to see DT member with good reputation behaving like Lutpin in recent months.

At the end of the day we don't know what other people are going through. From looking at his general inactivity and attitude hes having some personal trouble and is looking to transfer the campaign. Obviously this is an assumption and I don't mean any offense to Lutpin if that isn't the case but I just find this sort of out of character and people need to be a little more forgiving sometimes.

AFAIK all payments have now been sent?

It's very possible that he have personal problems. But he is loging in to Bitcointalk very often, is it so difficult to drop an message and say that payments will be delayed or that he can't make payments currently due to some problems. People would understand him and would have more patience before starting to accuse him.

He have personal problems for sure.
It is personal problem just like his new red glow that is also his personal problem.
Their isn't room on the internet for feelings only logic.
This person didn't do what they said they were going to do and that is the end of the story.
This person caused a lot of people a lot of stress in this situation and just because they eventually paid does not make justice.
If this person wanted to make justice and truly repent for their misdoings they would dig into their own pocket and give 10% per week compounding standard rate backpay to all harmed to make up for their mistake to make up for the harm they caused these people and the community as a whole.
You are sending a message that the best you have to offer is sub-par.

This harms all of you especially the most trusted of you.
The most trusted managers of the most acceptable common gigs still fuck you over and offer no reimbursement, and you squabble over his reputation as if it is the best the community can offer including his misdeeds. It destroys everyone's legitimacy and increasingly so when you make excuses for him.

What happened to lutpin?
What happened to mesmer?

And why the fuck are you posting from a newbie alt-account? Grow a pair of balls and ask the same questions from your original account.

True. Its just an odd situation to find a member who has a very good reputation such as Lutpin to not be outspoken about this situation. There's obviously a reason behind this. But that reason really isn't clear at the moment. I'm trying to think what situation would actually make this logical but honestly your right in that they simply have to drop a message.

Even if they are having personal issues if they are logging in regularly they could be very vague about the situation and not actually share their personal issues but just say things are delayed or they are busy at the moment or whatever.

I don't know its just a odd situation.

Yeah, I don't know about that.  Human beings are not computers, though a lot of them rely on emotion far too much when making decisions.  Logic ought to rule the vast majority of our decisions, but it's extremely hard to keep emotion out of everything.  Whatever problem Lutpin is having in real life is probably, my guess is, causing him some negative emotions and is also causing him to act out of character by not paying campaign participants on time.

Both of these things are true, which is why I left him negative feedback.  His recent actions were pretty much a textbook case of a lack of trustworthiness.  It's not like him to act like he did, but the truth is that he did screw a lot of people over.

Well, when Bill Clinton got the blowjob treatment from Madame Lewinski, everyone in the world was focusing on his reputation and ability to continue running the United States.  I never heard a peep about him not picking up the tab for the dry cleaning of her cocktail dress.

Also, I haven't kept up with every aspect of this drama to date.  Have the campaign participants of all of Lutpin's campaigns been paid, or only some of them?  I think he paid 777Coin and Bitvest but I don't know what other pies he had his fingers in.  Lightlord certainly shares some responsibility in this debacle, too.

Logging in is trivial and means nothing. It doesn't mean that someone is actually reading anything or available at that time.

It's odd that he doesn't want to share because he has a very good reputation? ::)

Interesting it seems like Lutpin is only having trouble to campaigns he is managing where he also handles the payments for it but it seems like his other campaign, Crypto-Games (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1082477.1980), is receiving the all their recent payments smoothly as DogeMachine is the one processing the payments for the campaign. He might be having some trouble on managing the campaigns he is also managing the payments. But on his latest post he announced that he will be handing over the management of the campaign to another campaign manager, I just hope that the participants will receive all their back pay.

It means something.

• got access to his account
• got Internet
• is mentally fit to remember passwords so probably could write a post
• has time to log in and out

Not really, no. This is you making conslusions based on putting yourself in this scenario. I log in without 'remembering' or even knowing my password for example.

Not necessarily, no.

If you can log in (and sometimes even post) you can certainly post an update as well, here and there.

A couple of weeks ago payment was later than usual as well. Should have been paid on Saturday, but was eventually paid the next Monday.
This for two weeks in a row.

Nobody really noticed because we (the participants) didn't complain. I just figured that there might have been some problem, but I was sure that it would be fixed in time.

It was in the beginning of November when this happened btw.



Edit:

Just wanted to add that from then on, everything was paid in time. I personally have no reason to distrust Lutpin or Crypto-games.

I have a similar opinion. It's understandable that you can be busy with life and unable to count posts and manage the campaign, but if you have access to the forum writing a short message to people who you owe money shouldn't cause a problem.


But it's still you logging in, choosing bitcointalk from your tabs, or writing the name in a browser and confirming your password.  It doesn't happen in the background while you're sleeping, or lying in a hospital bed with broken arms.

I wonder why this thread still going, Lutpin paid participants at least the ones in 777coin and I believe in all others campaign that he is managing. He even said that is looking to change manager for 777 coin campaign and is in talk with lightlord for this. I can't really understand this unprecedented hate against a member that has given so much to the community during his stay here ? It seems jealousy is the main word of this forum from quite some time now.

IIRC, you're also one of the oldest participants of CG campaign right? How often has this happened in years? I've been here for more than a year and a half and Lutpin has never delayed payment once. This delay is completely understandable.

You wouldn't have the caliber to distrust them I'd say because they have been paying you since months!

Who he owes money? Since when participating in a campaign became a personal monetary affair? He's not entitled to post on the forum just because some signature participants are desperate enough for their share of the money.

That's like you're forcing him to post regardless of the situations he is in. When would you small minded fucks will understand that signature campaign is not your permanent job that you're hired on a contract?

He owed money to people who were doing a job of posting for a signature campaign that he manages. They are promoting a business in their signatures for a fixed rate. That's what we call a job. When you mow a lawn for your neighbor it's also a job. You don't need a written contract for that.


A job is a job, a contract job is a contract job.

@Patatas

I think it might have happened once before, but I'm not sure about that. Anyway it's probably so long ago that I don't remember.
Yeah, I think I'm the 'oldest' participant in the CG campaign. They've paid me since 2016 at least, I think even since 2015, but the records don't go that far back :P

https://i.imgur.com/QPl9SI7.png

Yeah I definitely don't distrust CG or Lutpin. I've always known him to be a man of his word and he's generally very punctual as well.