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It's more a discussion than a suggestion, I have created this thread in order to have some discussion with the community whether self-moderation is needed or not in Service section (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=52.0).

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Yesterday, Privcy Foundation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2481472) had started a signature campaign which was self-moderated. I had added a post regarding his fake campaign and he deleted the post.
As per the rule of self-moderated thread, he has the right to delete any post.

Why do we need self-moderated thread in Service Section?
Most probably avoiding posts increase by account farmers (assuming pre-merit time) and avoiding shitpost from signature campaign hunters.
Is there any other necessity of enabling self-moderated thread there?

Since account farming is almost impossible nowadays, people may create shitposts only for maintaining the requirements of signature campaigns. But those will not be too much. Currently, I don't think more than 5%(I assume, probably not more than 2%) users create self-moderated thread in Service Section. Are we having a lot of spam there now?

Well from my knowledge it's called service section that it's a section you can offer you services be it illicit or legit you are offering your service and it's at your discretion so you can decide to end your service or feel that you don't have interest in continuing it anymore.

The forum has checked so many factors before making that section self moderated if you report any of there scam post and it deleted the forum has a back up system and can access it and dish out a negative trust to the guilt party.. 

Plenty of genuine services are trolled mercilessly by idiots and they should be free to remove posts they don't want there and the only way they can do that is by self-modding their threads. Leave scams or shady businesses negative feedback if you feel they're out to scam or are removing posts to cover something shady.

Disable self moderated thread is not going to prevent scam from forum. Although I have made thread previously for disable self moderated thread from ANN board but it is really not going to prevent scam. Even we warn people's there but they are continue bump and join bounty. However Service section is an important section especially for sale service with Bitcoin or signature campaign. Lots of people's even never read rules there that's the reason there need self moderated thread. I have seen even full member's are not allow to join on few signature but they are still applying. For decent manager it's important to made self moderated thread to clean his own thread.

You can see even OP red tagged but people's are still applying for campaign. Sometimes I wonder maximum people's even don't know about red tag until they got it.

Here's a great example (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4694028.0) of self moderation abuse. Coupled with sock puppet shills/bumping service = ~4500 meaningless spam posts spread over 228 pages and still going.
Scam accusations and negative trust haven't had any effect, nor have numerous reports to moderators unless they have been for specific instances of plagiarism, which the bumpers are now avoiding doing.

I think they know. They only able to smell scam if they do not get their bounty tokens payment. For bounty,they can believe in the project than can double the money in 45 days.

Staff don't deal with scams, but just because some people use it for abusive purposes doesn't invalidate the genuine cases. Staff rarely get involved with instances of trolling or harassment even when some people are clearly over-stepping the mark and in those cases the operators of those threads/businesses should be able to moderate their threads accordingly and the best option for that is self-modding and do it themselves without having to rely on staff.  

It is always possible to create an investigative topic or open a topic with an accusation against the OP. And put red trust in his profile, plus ask for DT member to put red trust too.

But the ideal is that each member can make their judgment of value and evaluate if the service offered deserves their trust. And if the option to self-moderate the topic is to avoid spam. I had a deleted response on this topic that you mention and it was just a warning...

I don't think there should be a "self-moderated" thread at all, beside particular sections I don't see why OP should have the power to censure his own thread, if I want to leave a bad review I must feel free to do it rather than posting in reputation/scam accusations. The troll accounts can be reported and moderated by actual moderators.

In several sections (e.g. Bitcoin Discussion), if you want to start a genuine discussion, it is very likely to get spammed by some users (and bots) with lots of bad quality content, creating the infamous "spam megathreads". In these cases, self-moderation makes perfectly sense - mods would very likely be too busy to help you keep your thread clean. And as these threads are about a broad range of topics and not "official" threads of services, if someone doesn't agree with the self-moderation policy, he can always start his own thread about his point of view on that subject.

In the Services sections (or more broadly in Marketplace sections) there is not so much danger of that behaviour, as it's all advertising there, but trolling seems to be an issue, as hilariousetc wrote. But I've seen an alternative in the altcoin forum: if the main thread is censored, often alternative unmoderated threads about the same service appear, started by people which are not part of the "staff" of an altcoin or service. If you feel censored by a service owner, you can start such a thread, too.

From your post, I realized how necessary self-moderated thread is.

Thank you everyone, I was wrong at some point. I have checked some service threads and found some people are insulting OP same as hilariousandco said. In addition, signature spammers also get a havven of fulfilling their weekly requirements on those kinda threads.
Therefore, it's better to have self-moderated threads.

I am locking this thread since some people started adding random reply without reading the OP.