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Hello all newbies,

I have a news, that I got during my active time in the forum today, for you

The cost of forum's Copper membership will rise three-times than its current price.
There is the message from the forum, which you also can see it yourself in the top-left corner of the forum interface.
The displayed message will fluctuated between some set-up messages, so sometimes you will see the news, sometimes will not.

Now, let's visit the following link to see how much a Copper Memberships current cost? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote) (if you are newbie and don't know how to see it, please click on the blue words/ phrases that contain hyperlinks).
It costs around 0.0021 BTC for now.

Updated with a official fees of Copper Membership from theymos:
- At BTC rate: Full details are there: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote
- At Grin rate: Full guide is there:
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Next question, which types of previledges you can have by buying a Copper Membership?
The membership will gives you some previledges, that you can see in the above link.

Let's hurry up (especially developer accounts that have been in Newbie rank) before the cost rising to nearly 0.00624 BTC for each Copper Membership.


More details are available in the above link, please read guide steps carefully for your interests.

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For Spambies, the coming rise of Copper Membership cost will certainly not make them happy.

In my opinion, the new cost will help the forum, at least in two things:
- Reducing scam developer accounts to buy cheap Copper Memberships and easily spread their scam projects around;
- Reducing 'wealthy' spambies who readily to spend a small amount of BTC for copper memberships in order to be joinable in some campaigns.

Here is the reason why the price will be increasing:


The evil fees (small fee which enables posting for those registered in blacklisted/banned IPs) will also increase in price.

Thanks mate I never noticed it and since I'm a member ranked users, I don't have much interest in Copper membership but in the spirit of donating to the forum I might buy one at senior member rank.

Concerning your topic body, I believe you misused the code feature. The code feature should be used when you're giving out a code or formula etc (just like I'm about  doing) so use this instead

No I didn't but now I do thanks.  Although using the write tools should be encouraged. Detergents is for washing while soap is for bathing, get it?  ;D

You know that's not a rule, right? You can use it with whatever you want.

Also, the code-tag box just looks slicker than the quote one.

This kind of donations were already discussed some times, and theymos said the forum doesn't need more money for now.
I even suggested new donators rank, as I wanted to donate also (but not 50btc for donator rank)

Copper membership is not supposed to be used for donations, but for newbies restrictions

To the forum it isn't a donation but from me it is. I don't have 50BTC to give and I don't need copper membership to avoid newbies restrictions because I'm not a newbie. Me sending that bitcoin does no harm to the forum so we're all good. I just love the name copper (in my county) we call graduate who're serving the county that name 😂 so I see no harm in sending few BTC to receive that name. Other higher rank users are doing so too.

It is why I give link to the page first, then retrieving want I want to mention inside codes, not quotes.
Moreover, if you want to use quote, so quote what?
In my understanding, quotes used when you want to mention about contents inside previous posts/ threads. The information on Copper Membership is not post/ thread, right?
The purpose of quoting is to help readers fastly visit the original posts/ threads to get fully information and get the context of discussions if they want

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It will blow my mind away if someone readily to donate 50 BTC at current price of Bitcoin.
Even Bitcoin fell deeply from it's all time high, 50 BTC at $3600 per BTC means lots of money.

Increasing fees of Copper Memberships will better restrict spambies. They will feel more acceptable to pay the fees and join campaigns which allow Copper Members and pay for them at same dates of Junior member rank.

I think the reason for that is Bitcointalk still auctions their banner spaces frequently which is a big money maker for the site especially when a lot of participants really want to have the banner spaces, just take a look at the latest round (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096141.0) you will see that prices will get higher as the deadline comes close. That is why maybe theymos have not focused on changing the copper membership price swiftly even when it got down to around 3,000$.

Is it really worth paying for cooper membership?

Nah, if somebody is selling you a "cooper membership" you're safe to assume it's a scam.  Being a Copper Member is a cool way to show that you support the forum and are willing to put a little 'skin in the game' when it comes to your account.

Really?
I think that the Copper Membership originally created to allow developers to display images inside their posts/ threads in order to more efficiently express their ideas, plans, and the vision of their projects.
Overtime, a Copper Membership compromised at somewhat extents by scammers, shitty projects' teams, and even spambies after the launch of merit system nearly one year ago.
Some of spambies paid small fees to buy the Copper Membership and joined campaigns, shown their shits around the forum.

For real users, I don't see reasons to buy a Copper membership.
Newbies obviously need massive amount of time to discover all forum structures, serious boards, and child boards, basic crypto terminologies, and so on.
They don't need the membership and its previlidges, one of them is displaying images.
To be honest, image-attached posts/ threads from new users are among the most annoying stuffs in the forum. It is also why theymos decided restricting only Junior Members/ Copper Members and above to be able to display images.

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It depends.
If you are a developer, and have a project that announced in the forum, you should.
If you are not a developer, you should not.

I agree, ranking up to Member isn't really that difficult. Just need some patience and meaningful contributions.

Even before the announcement, I contemplated purchasing out of sheer curiosity but then decided against it as I'm not too far from unlocking it for free.

I literally just gave you two reasons.  It is a cool way to show that you support the forum and are willing to put a little 'skin in the game' when it comes to your account.

Considering the price,it is worth it for those who are finding it extremely difficult to move over to Jr member rank and participate in bounties,the CM privilege circumvents most of those restrictions for them and it comes at a fairly cheap rate

But for others with a higher rank and need not to bypass any restrictions,it could be seen as a former of donation(though theymos said the forum needs no money) and it could also be seen as acquiring another rank to theirs etc

It is definitely not a large amount to pay for the average scammer, because most of these people will pay that with a smile. I think the most positive thing out of this is the increased cost to prevent image spamming on the forum.  ;)

I was always under the impression that the Copper members were only lazy posters that wanted to take a shortcut to full member privileges, but now I see why some people would also opt to go that alternate route. Thanks OP.  ;) <Donator status>

Think its funny that services that accept btc only raise in price as btc raises aswell, the fees we had at 20k price were a joke , I don't agree with this stuff if we ever accept to get adoption and coverage in countries were "small fees" can mean enough, not for bitcoin, honestly doge has been doing a great job at being cheap and it's price was pretty insane for a while.

If there is a voting poll how much should be the price for copper member, it should be 0.015 BTC on my view. With the INSTANT benefit of faster intervals on posts, unlocking the posting of images and most of the benefits a regular member rank has, that is already too much just by paying a few BTC. 0.0021 BTC is not that much that is why a lot of scammers out there would prefer to pay it and scam people. Increasing it to 0.00624 is only a slight increase for these benefits they are getting. I suggest to have it raise more.

If you can get your hands on some cheap grin, that might be a way to lower the cost of a Copper Membership.

Really? But as far as I am concern, the news always appear to my screen every time I visit here. Anyway, still props for your effort to post this because I can see that you make someone get aware of this :).
It doesn't have a significant value for me (maybe because I'm already a Full Member). It was just a decoration under your name. Yout post quality and your behavior as a member still matter the most.
I agree. 0.00624 btc was so easy to afford by the scammers. They still be willing to pay for this knowing the possibilities of earning more from their scams so I guess the fee should be bigger or at least make another rule which will stop those scammers. Nevertheless, this is good improvement already.

Is nice for you to draw our attention to that fact and I don't think it's only for the newbie some other members of the forum are also interested in the copper membership
And even though the prices are increased users would still get the copper membership

I've taken a quick look into this, and this is what I can come up with. Comparing @Piggy’s last two full user database (beginning of December vs  beginning of November 2018) we’ve got:

December reading: 4411 Copper Members
November reading: 3994 Copper Members

Those therefore 417 Copper Member added is a month rank really as:

     2  Full Members
     7  Members
   27  Jr. Members (may have been newbies upon purchase of Copper Membership)
  338  Newbies
    43  Brand New (probably bought it and managed to get nuked – at least more likely that bought it and haven’t posted yet).

Vast majority of new Copper Members are Newbies really.

Nope, not just that. Quote means to repeat or copy out words from a text or speech written or spoken by another person.  You were copying the news so a quote who had been appropriate. You can make use of a quote without adding a link check my previous message (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5097960.msg49254725#msg49254725) for the code.

Example; lets say coinbase gave an update of shutting down their Exchange for two weeks and I want to pass the information to forum users, a quote format who be more appropriate instead of a code format.

It is likely total new Copper Members per month has been on the rise.
Nevertheless, with the coming increased fees, I expect to see dramatical drops of new Copper Members next months.

It's not strange.
We all known that most of Copper Members, new ones I meant, come from Spambies, or new developers' accounts.

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Disagreed!
Quoting without links to original places of those information, details will not make sense, and will cause plagiarism violations.

The reason for the price increase is because the demand is increasing?

No, it's because of this:

The increment in price should place derived income as it was before BTC started to dip (perhaps a bit higher since there is a higher demand since September rank changes), and the FIAT equivalent amount does not add up to that much really. It may refrain some from aquiring the Copper Membership, but even so the price is not that high (depending on the country you are from).

Why would they increase the fees for unblocking banned IPs? it's not like anyone as a new registrant committed any foul. This will be so hard on the new genuine registrants who probably don't now what happened.

My account got hacked sometime in July last year so with no hope of recovering it, i tried opening up a new account only to receive a message that i could not post because i have to pay some fee to unblock the evil ip thingy... Seriously who does that to innocent or genuine new registrants?
I gave up, however low the fee was, i didn't even bother paying it. Had my account not been recovered, i wouldn't be here now. imagine how many others have avoid their new accounts because of that.

The culprits also know what they doing and will get new IP addresses and continue abusing the forum once the other ones are blacklisted. Something else has to be done to avoid losing out on new users with no bad intention but not just increasing the fee.

That is a good decision by our forum admin theymos. Some people just used to buy it for signature campaign. They get the same benefit like as a member. Previously they had to pay only $10 for getting a member rank. It was too low. Now that they will be less interest to buy copper member.

Official new fees of Copper membership is [ DO NOT POST SESC LINKS ]there[/url]
Both Bitcoin and grin coin accepted!

I became copper member a while ago, not for benefits of account, but just to do my bit in supporting the forum, and it looks cool. I do think that new users should not be able to do this instantly, if you have a bad I.P. its for a reason.

On an anecdotal and irrelevant note, it does makes my statistical processes a bit more difficult (the profile only shows Copper Member, but not the underlying rank, and I derive my forum stats using the rank from the profile as core).

The majority of people I figure acquire a Copper Membership mostly to post images (i.e. Ann/Bounty threads OPs) or bear a signature when they are Newbies (although I believe many campaigns do not enrol Copper Member Newbies). Your personal motives are a much rarer choice.

I think that evil I.Ps. are not bypassed one you acquire a Copper Membership, but if you have paid because of an evil IP, then the amount paid may contribute to reducing the Copper Membership price. There is an interesting thread by @xtraelv on the matter (see  Units of Evil, copper membership & list of copper members (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5025522.msg45476567#msg45476567)).

They separated into two types of users:
- Real developers who need to be able to publish posts/ threads with images.
- Scammers or pseudo-developers who simply want to scam naive investors and steal their money.

Wait, signature campaigns?
I've never seen any of those copper members (those possessing newbie ranks and having a copper membership bought) being accepted in any signature campaign and it is merit that could get them higher ranks. Yes, it's true that they're given real benefits and privileges just the way users having "Member" rank enjoy, but purchasing a copper membership doesn't really guarantee you'll be accepted in a campaign. Please don't misguide others about this, as well as what you said about that $10 payment for a Member rank, were actually alts they wanted to purchase to get into signature campaign.

I love this forum so much. Buying the copper membership was just to show how I want to be part of this great community.  I bought my membership before it increases. All newbies could do the same to show how effective they want to be , before getting a merit.

It depends. Its a shorcut that allows you to progress faster but you can achieve same thing by just posting/beign here/enjoying ur time here.
One way require time, other money. Its all depends on person considering this decision.

Another good news is that theymos states that he will update the rate of Grin for a Copper membership manually over time.

The current rate:
Visit there to get full details:
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Glad you saved some bucks before it gets increased in its value; it shows that when such chances are given, those who are dedicated to "contribution" and not just spamming and making bucks should not hesitate in taking advantage of the same. I'd suggest admins one thing that I haven't seen mostly anywhere, and i.e.; if it's possible for them to make a USD pegged button for such membership, it'd be beneficial for both forum and people's welfare (like they decide a specific value in USD and choose an exchange based on which price will change in BTC considering its volatility).

From now on, Copper Membership's buyers can contribute more by spending in Grin.
Of course, they only should do this if they are familiar with crypto transactions and can follow the guide of Grin transaction without serious mistakes.
If they can not, they should stick with BTC payment gate.

Update on the fees of Copper Membership, paid in Grin coin, for today.
Honestly, I have not observed to rate in Grin coin on daily basis, so I guess that the rate probably changed days ago, not today.
As theymos stated earlier that he will manually set up fees of Copper Membership in Grin coin over time.
For now, new comers have to paid nearly 4.33 Grin coin to own a Copper Member.