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Title: I like new DT
Post by: marlboroza on January 16, 2019, 11:00:30 PM
https://i.imgur.com/eL4IIVs.png

I am not used to see so much activity in DT.

Much shotgunning.

Good job @Theymos. Active DT is good DT :)


Title: Re: I like new DT
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on January 16, 2019, 11:13:27 PM
Agreed.

Given that DT1 and therefore DT2 is going to change by varying degrees each month, I think it makes sense for obvious scammers such as this one to be tagged multiple times. We don't want to be in a situation of relying too heavily on one person's ratings, for them then to disappear from DT for a month or two.


Title: Re: I like new DT
Post by: owlcatz on January 16, 2019, 11:19:07 PM
I used to do a lot more scam busting, but now I guess since I'm not excluded anymore, I feel like I have a duty to at least help... :D


Title: Re: I like new DT
Post by: suchmoon on January 17, 2019, 01:54:57 AM
It's not just the number of ratings but also how quickly they get posted. I suspect some users are lurking on the ANN boards waiting for new threads to pop up and immediately check them for fake pics etc. By the time I happen to click on a new scam ICO thread it usually already has a red score.


Title: Re: I like new DT
Post by: DireWolfM14 on January 17, 2019, 02:31:57 AM
I like it too.  It's now quite obvious how much more active the current group of DT1 members are than the previous list.  That alone adds practicality to the system.  Scammers are getting tagged quickly and frequently.  Members who are engaging in honest trade are also getting tagged appropriately.

I would still caution new users to do their own research into potential trade partners, but it does give us a good starting point.  As long as the DT members remain active, and this isn't just a "Honeymoon" stage, we're off to a good start with the new system.


Title: Re: I like new DT
Post by: bones261 on January 17, 2019, 03:06:15 AM
I like it too.  It's now quite obvious how much more active the current group of DT1 members are than the previous list.  That alone adds practicality to the system.  Scammers are getting tagged quickly and frequently.  Members who are engaging in honest trade are also getting tagged appropriately.

I would still caution new users to do their own research into potential trade partners, but it does give us a good starting point.  As long as the DT members remain active, and this isn't just a "Honeymoon" stage, we're off to a good start with the new system.

Yes, I've been trying to restrain myself so that the gloss doesn't wear off the pumpkin. However, it's so hard because it's only been two days and I already got 3 fan letters. Also, I've gotten a few fabulous reviews. My favorite one was the one raving about my rimming abilities.  ;D


Title: Re: I like new DT
Post by: Coolcryptovator on January 17, 2019, 03:56:21 AM
I am tagging scammer especially regarding scam/fake ICO's from beginning although I wasn't on DT. And I am doing same thing still now. Especially I feel happy to tag ICO's scammers because there is involve lot of fund. And lot of forum members promoting them due to bounty. Eventually all of them are getting scam. Previously in my observation there was only 2 DT who had handled such as case suchmoon & marlboroza. I have been following their strategy about tag scam ICO's. However seems good there is many active DT, in fact we don't know who will remove from DT by next the corrections. But scammer should remain red tag. So not bad tag them by multiple DT.


Title: Re: I like new DT
Post by: DireWolfM14 on January 17, 2019, 04:13:44 AM
My favorite one was the one raving about my rimming abilities.  ;D

This is worthless without pics.  :o


Title: Re: I like new DT
Post by: bones261 on January 17, 2019, 04:30:32 AM
My favorite one was the one raving about my rimming abilities.  ;D

This is worthless without pics.  :o

The review for me didn't come with a link to display my good work. However, he left others glowing reviews too.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=18201

WARNING: NSFW


Title: Re: I like new DT
Post by: Coyster on January 17, 2019, 05:22:11 AM
But scammer should remain red tag. So not bad tag them by multiple DT.
Yeah,most times when there are changes to the DT lists and some DT members removed it gives scammers a leeway and their tags get off which probably isn't safe for members who didn't know they were previously tagged.
So if scammers and inappropriate users gets tagged multiple times by different DT members it'll almost make it impossible for their red tags to go off even if there is a change in the system.


Title: Re: I like new DT
Post by: bones261 on January 17, 2019, 05:39:53 AM
But scammer should remain red tag. So not bad tag them by multiple DT.
Yeah,most times when there are changes to the DT lists and some DT members removed it gives scammers a leeway and their tags get off which probably isn't safe for members who didn't know they were previously tagged.
So if scammers and inappropriate users gets tagged multiple times by different DT members it'll almost make it impossible for their red tags to go off even if there is a change in the system.

We should start encouraging conscientious members to start tagging whether they are part of DT or not. If only I could turn back time and would have tagged all of the scammy shit that I've seen going down since 2015. With this new dynamic DT system, what's only "untrusted" feedback now, could be DT feedback next month.


Title: Re: I like new DT
Post by: Quickseller on January 17, 2019, 05:55:54 AM
Much shotgunning.
It seems like the new system is not working as intended:

A major goal of this is to allow retaliatory distrusts and ratings to actually have some chance of mattering so that contentious ratings have an actual cost.


Title: Re: I like new DT
Post by: TECSHARE on January 17, 2019, 06:06:53 AM
We should start encouraging conscientious members to start tagging whether they are part of DT or not.

The problem with this logic is most people want the authority without doing the work actually looking into the situation. They just want to shit out ratings assembly line style to give the image to the rest of the forum they are valuable and should get more authority. No one is ever taking into account how much damage false negatives and mobbing do to this forum. This "scambuster" mentality comes at a high cost.


Title: Re: I like new DT
Post by: TMAN on January 17, 2019, 06:55:56 AM
No one is ever taking into account how much damage false negatives and mobbing do to this forum.

Incorrect, I can totally understand that being on the end of a false/frivolous tag could be detrimental to some members hence me starting a thread in rep that I encourage anyone tagged by me to post in,  I have been totally open about my trust-list and tags, excluding 2 members then adding them back in once a discussion had occurred and changes happened.

I believe you will find that as DT is now a democracy and not a dictatorship that those who want to help the forum will be far more flexible and communicative about tags and trust in general.


Title: Re: I like new DT
Post by: TECSHARE on January 17, 2019, 07:27:30 AM
No one is ever taking into account how much damage false negatives and mobbing do to this forum.

Incorrect, I can totally understand that being on the end of a false/frivolous tag could be detrimental to some members hence me starting a thread in rep that I encourage anyone tagged by me to post in,  I have been totally open about my trust-list and tags, excluding 2 members then adding them back in once a discussion had occurred and changes happened.

I believe you will find that as DT is now a democracy and not a dictatorship that those who want to help the forum will be far more flexible and communicative about tags and trust in general.

Oh, well you unilaterally declare it incorrect as a direct beneficiary of this environment, it must be true! I am not speaking about you personally though I do find it interesting that you took it personally. Some unresolved cognitive dissonance there perhaps? In summary your argument boils down to "no you are wrong because I say so.", which really is not any argument at all.


Title: Re: I like new DT
Post by: TMAN on January 17, 2019, 07:31:38 AM
No one is ever taking into account how much damage false negatives and mobbing do to this forum.

Oh, well you unilaterally declare it incorrect as a direct beneficiary of this environment, it must be true! I am not speaking about you personally though I do find it interesting that you took it personally. Some unresolved cognitive dissonance there perhaps? In summary your argument boils down to "no you are wrong because I say so.", which really is not any argument at all.

I have bolded your original statement that lead me to reply to you, so yes in regards to your statement you are wrong, Or does "No one" have a totally different meaning to how I was taught at school a few decades ago?


Title: Re: I like new DT
Post by: Jet Cash on January 17, 2019, 08:59:06 AM
It is unfortunate that we have to put so much emphasis on negative reporting. I prefer to highlight the positive behaviour of members. So far I have only made one negative report, but I will increase this in the future. As TMAN stated, this tagging should be dynamic. DT1s need to be infinitely just and infinitely merciful, so they can't condemn members to eternal damnation for venal sins. I seem to have so many things on the go at the moment, that I created an appeals ticket system on a spare domain - The Jet Cash appeal system (https://blockerror.com/help/). It could be worth making new members aware of the recommended methods available to remove red tags. Starting abusive threads in Meta may not be the optimum way, but it does seem to be the choice of some. Polite private messages would probably be more effective, but newbies can't avail themselves of this method if the DT has newbie PMs on ignore.


Title: Re: I like new DT
Post by: TECSHARE on January 17, 2019, 05:13:59 PM
It is unfortunate that we have to put so much emphasis on negative reporting. I prefer to highlight the positive behaviour of members. So far I have only made one negative report, but I will increase this in the future. As TMAN stated, this tagging should be dynamic. DT1s need to be infinitely just and infinitely merciful, so they can't condemn members to eternal damnation for venal sins. I seem to have so many things on the go at the moment, that I created an appeals ticket system on a spare domain - The Jet Cash appeal system (https://blockerror.com/help/). It could be worth making new members aware of the recommended methods available to remove red tags. Starting abusive threads in Meta may not be the optimum way, but it does seem to be the choice of some. Polite private messages would probably be more effective, but newbies can't avail themselves of this method if the DT has newbie PMs on ignore.

And the problem is posting anywhere else is off topic, and the people who go around shotgunning negatives usually don't give a shit who it hurts, as a result the only real option is a public plea, and ofc these same people just LOVE piling on these threads too...


Title: Re: I like new DT
Post by: cryptohunter on January 17, 2019, 05:34:33 PM
It is unfortunate that we have to put so much emphasis on negative reporting. I prefer to highlight the positive behaviour of members. So far I have only made one negative report, but I will increase this in the future. As TMAN stated, this tagging should be dynamic. DT1s need to be infinitely just and infinitely merciful, so they can't condemn members to eternal damnation for venal sins. I seem to have so many things on the go at the moment, that I created an appeals ticket system on a spare domain - The Jet Cash appeal system (https://blockerror.com/help/). It could be worth making new members aware of the recommended methods available to remove red tags. Starting abusive threads in Meta may not be the optimum way, but it does seem to be the choice of some. Polite private messages would probably be more effective, but newbies can't avail themselves of this method if the DT has newbie PMs on ignore.

Well I presented you with facts and you ran off. I do not take much confidence from that. I hope you will return and review these facts because I will keep presenting them to you over and over when they are on topic.