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BCH community is manipulated with fake posts, believing its real bitcoin. Can you all please take time to knock some sense to this dude ? if BCH has its promoters, let us be BTC promoters.

If you are buying BTC in 2019 because you think it is Bitcoin, you are being fooled. You actually are looking for BCH, the peer to peer electronic cash system for online payments. http://buy.bitcoin.com

https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/1085900898759368705

What do you expect from Roger Ver except promoting his immature work Bitcoin Cash?! The only fooled are his followers.

But even Ver doesn't want to miss the commission money and you could buy both BCH and BTC at his site.

Comparing BCH to BTC is like comparing a real $30k rolex to a fake plastic rolex that cost you $10. To the uneducated they may look the same or even the plastic one slightly better, but to those who know their stuff, they can see one is just a cheap rip off and the other is the real deal.

I mean, if you're buying BTC, you are buying Bitcoin. The ticker is still the same. You shouldn't be surprised, considering Roger Ver actually owns Bitcoin.com.

how can we as community help on that ?

Actually, we can't do anything about it since Bitcoin are created open source under MIT license But we can educate people to choose the real Bitcoin Core. @clrpod analogy could be countered by plagiarism could be punished under the law, but Bitcoin isn't. The only thing we need is to make a newcomer able to testify themselves about the current situation about cryptocurrencies spaces and tell them hows it's started, and who is covering the lie which is the Roger Ver Team.

this is a doomed attempt, no one has an interest promoting bitcoin except -> Bitmain, AMD, the large invested bitcoin miners, bitcoin holders

Roger Ver knows he's promoting the fake bitcoin because he's only doing it for his financial benefit in the future.
It's funny that only the people who were in bitcoin for at least 2 years know Roger Ver, the newcomers probably think of him as crazy.

This troll post should be moved into the Altcoin Discussion area (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=67.0) where it belongs...
And besides, that altcoin has been a failure, forked already, becoming even more failure. Hopefully Bitmain should go back to doing asics now that they moved Jihan Wu away, precisely for making the company lose money over things like making an altcoin instead of sticking to (their) core business...

Of course, it is. BCH is one of the hyper in 2017 and that people are easily deceived because developers are not anonymous and that it is managed by a rich investor. It might have a Bitcoin in its name, but is still fake and is not different from all those altcoins.

Agreed, not much you can do except for trying to educate people and push them in the right direction. No legal recourse can be taken unlike in my scenario (though I don't think many people do get punished for selling fake rolex watches, although it's not something I know too much about!).

Education is the way. A fork is an altcoin, they can try to steal the bitcoin name but they can't because they came later, MUCH later.

You can order clones of almost anything from China, with varying qualities. For a small fee, they can stamp anything as the "brand". If you attempt to resell that in another country where counterfeiting is forbidden, you might get in trouble; for selling in those countries the clients usually just stamp another brand.

This is not related to free open source software of course. Forks are welcome and part of the ecosystem, but its up to you to make your fork "better", and for the people to welcome it. Sometimes forks add ideas that get implemented in the main tree, sometimes they dissolve as nobody wants them. Its part of the freedom of free software.

If you copy Linux, change its name and say its yours, the community will immediately denounce you for plagiarism. The correct etiquette when forking a project, is to give credit where credit is due. Some licenses make this obligatory, and some even require you to publish back your source code.

Calling the forks "Bitcoin" is a blatant lie. They have officially different names, although they use "Bitcoin" as part of their name, they are not.

Nothing new, they have been pushing it hard and time will tell once people have realized that they are being directed to the wrong coin.

What we can do as community is to educate someone who is new to cryptos by informing them that BCH is a fork, an altcoin and bitcoin is bitcoin.

it is nothing new that Roger Ver advertises his own coin as bitcoin. in fact it is not new in general that an altcoin advertises itself as bitcoin or bitcoin competition. in the past decade of bitcoin existence there has been a lot of altcoins that made such claims. they usually fool a bunch of people too. in the end they will all die because of what they did instead of focusing on creating a decent project!

This is actually the only reason why Bitcoin Cash still exist today. Roger Ver and his minions planned it this way for a reason, because they knew that BCash could not survive without the help of the real Bitcoin, namely BTC. You are very desperate, if you have to resort to dirty tactics like this and it is actually pathetic that they have to leech onto Bitcoin BTC to survive.

BTC supporters should just stand together and just dump their FREE BCash coins in a synchronized manner to kill BCash once and for all.  ;)

unfortunately it is very hard to fight with someone who owns a domain name called "bitcoin.com" because newbies don't usually research, they only search on the internet and when they see the domain name they think it is trusted. and they are using that to their own advantage and fooling newbies into believing what they are selling them is "bitcoin" whereas they receive an altcoin. we have had a lot of complains in the past year from newbies who were confused why they haven't received "bitcoin" in their wallet while the place they bought it at (bitcoin.com) was showing them they sent the  coins already!

Anyone who takes their time to do a little bit if research would know which is a better investments.
Bitcoin Cash need ts to be affiliated with bitcoins to get attention, and talking down bitcoin is controversial and sure to get them there needed attention.

without going into the social drama of altcoins

essentially you just imagine it like dollars
BTC is the US dollar and BCH is canadian dollar and SV is australian

yep BTC(US) is the popular one and yes when someone shouts out they want "dollar" its best to ask do you want U.S, canadian or austrailan as they are different

but as soon as you start saying any crypto is just 'plastic' your just then opening a can of worms to try explaining why btc is not plastic by same definition. so easier to say its just another less popular currency much like canada and australia

many people when denouncing crap coins as scams then fall flat on their face when they then have to try describing why if 2000 coins are scams then default the one coin that uses same tech must also be.. which then takes too much effort to explain the differences. so just keep it simple

Correct. Just we have one big problem. I didn't ever see the CAD or AUD get promoted as "the true dollar". Instead, the altcoins in discussion tell everybody "uninformed" enough that they are the true Bitcoin.
And the fact that Ver owns bitcoin.com and many go there thinking they reached the official Bitcoin website makes the things worse.

To my own understanding, bitcoin still remains bitcoin and nothing will change that, but make sure that you will have a lot of Patience because, bitcoin is passing through though time, there may be a little changes but that doesn't mean, it still remains bitcoin.

but people need introduction, i bet someone introduced you too.

whats the best possible way to tackle that ? mention on bitcoin org website that bitcoin can't be on .com ( cause .com stands for commercial )

It's not even like it's creating something new from scratch. At least a lot of knock-off products are created as good replicas. Instead of just being a copy and then changing 1-2 things and announcing it as being the better version and worse of the lot, denouncing the original. It wouldn't be so bad if there wasn't at least some recognition of that.

The best comparison between Bitcoin and BCH! Personally, I never traded with BCH and I have no plan for it. They always mocked Bitcoin, but I believe without Bitcoin, BCH is nothing! Roger Ver and his followers always spread negative hype about bitcoin! That's why I unfollowed Roger Ver many days ago! Bitcoin investors are not fooled, rather they are very real with a wise decision!

Indeed.  We've definitely had this conversation before in a 24 page topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3419499.0), in which franky1 spent most of his time arguing that it was absolutely fine to convince impressionable new users that BCH is Bitcoin (and that the fault for the confusion somehow lies with bitcoin.org).  It's not exactly a shock he's trying to post the same nonsense here.

After the fork there has been a hard dispute about who is the main chain. Even nist say BCH is the main chain, and that's just nonsense for 95% of the bitcoin community. Just take a look to this CNN article and you will understand what i'm talking about.

https://www.ccn.com/bitcoin-cash-is-the-original-blockchain-claims-nist-report/

This is actually deception and when you are dealing with a person who is so willing to deceive anyone using his vast resources then you are dealing with a very popular con artist with a large following and who can deny anytime the things he is doing which are all bad to the whole cryptocurrency community. Well, what can we expect? Being part of the cryptocurrency movement will never strip anyone of human nature -- that selfish and greedy part of it. I don't care about Roger Ver actually it is just sad that until now reality has not yet sinked in with the man.

Searching for domains without research is often misleading, but they are indeed more clever and this indeed needs to be known to beginners, as I am a beginner. I think where there is a bitcoin forum paying with altcoin, even though BCH is an altcoin that still depends on Bitcoin.

i don't think so. in the new year every think will change.

There must be a clarification campaign to prevent people from buying bitcoincash. Show them fake counterfeit products and relate them to bch so people stop buying it

Lol! Just look at the replies to the tweet! People are already backlashing at it and seems like it is only Mr. Ver who is promoting this altcoin. Let me quote a line from Bible,


Wait for this to happen. Not today, probably not tomorrow but certainly in someday! There's no place from hiding!

Omg, that was the greatest comment on Roger's twitter: Notice how the whitepaper points to .ORG and not to the fake .COM <-- This ends Roger's silly statement. Despite the fact that he ownes great domain, other websites like cointelegraph, ccn and so on have top positions in google compared to Roger's web and also those sources are more trustworthy in people's eye.
Why he posted it? Because he tries his best to fool people, he is failing to achieve his goal, bch will never become first, let him tweet and dream.

Just ignore Bitcoin Cash and their "community". They are desperate for recognition that is why they keep hitting on Bitcoin. Paying them any attention could only works in their favor.

The one who is advertising Bitcoin from the start is now advertising his own SHITCOIN and trying to manipulate those new to average investors out there telling that Bitcoin Cash is Bitcoin.

Lucky for me, I know the difference between the 2 but for those newbies out there it is easy to manipulate them. Education is the key in order for them not to be fooled by this desperate idiot Roger Ver.

Definitely, what they expect from a bitcoin competitor? a praisal? You can see to his post that he is scamming, he is not comparing bitcoin but instead using the name of bitcoin for his own good. He says that people need bitcoincash but his website does not include its coin name. He is trying to manipulate the thinking of people with his coin telling people buying bitcoin is foolishness because of sudden decrease from last year.

Blockstream Exposed: Roger Ver, Samson Mow debate goes off the rails


take a look at this then -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSbPz4g9rZQ

That's right and I have bought a lot of bitcoin myself this year because I believe that this year Bitcoin will give me a big profit, so what you say on the topic above will not be cared for.

People are the most dangerous animals, they are always looking for ways to earn money, and they do everything for that. I realized that rich people make money by deceiving poor people to make them poorer. Everyone, please share this so widely that everyone knows about it.

I dont think bitcoincash can stand strong now.
Their fork is a failure in terms to had a pump in the market.
It was a 50% or more dump in the market after reopening for trading.
THat is a big slap on the project.

I don't think to buy bitcoin in 2019 is a bad decision because bitcoin price itself now become low price and if we don't use this chance, I think we will miss the time to sell at the high price. But of course, this only for people who believe in bitcoin could increase again in the future and they will buy more and more bitcoin to prepare when the time comes. You don't have to buy bitcoin if you don't want and nobody is trying to force you to buy but don't be sad if, in the future, you cannot make a lot of profit from bitcoin.

What's wrong in buying bitcoins during this time? i mean its a great chance to buy more coins. It depends on you if you are going to buy or not but if you keep on believing in bitcoin then you will. I am not being fooled but i am going to be a fool if i don't grab this opportunity and i listen to you. Bitcoin cash? you are trying to get our attention about it but most of us knows that its better to buy bitcoin.

I'm not too keen to see tweet Ver , if bitcoin cash is the real bitcoin, Will he dare sell all his BTC to buy it BCH, I guess it would not be possible he did

Bitcoin is still bitcoin it never change maybe it's change price value but still a bitcoin. Right we need lot's of patients in joining in crypto world cause bitcoin always facing the risk that need more patients.

Hey this guy is not a bitcoin proponent but he is a scam artist, who’s conned people in believing they were buying bitcoins, but were tricked in buying bitcoins cash. It’s pertinent to note that bitcoins cash may loose it’s entire value, and I feel sad for all who brought it believing they were buying bitcoins. There was a lawsuit against him, but he somehow managed to settle it as there was no hearings, it’s best to avoid him.

don't forget that, bitcoin cash forked itself and created another shitcoin BITCOIN SV

I guess he already done that before  .  not sure if you are aware that bch got pumped up on the year 2017  . rumors said that it was being manipulated by its founder  .


For real ?  I never heard of it before  .  but thats impossible because  as far as i know ,  only original coins can create their own fork coins  .

You should never buy BCH but only the original one and only BTC. You have a lot of reasons to do so instead of investing into sh*t coins:

Bitcoin allows you to have money almost instantly instead of waiting 3–5 days minimum and paying fees for bank transfer. It allows you to pay anyone no matter where they live. This help people sending money back home without ridiculous fees from middleman like western union.

Bitcoin allows refugees or immigrants who lost their paper to pay for goods and services due to war conflicts.
It allows people to raise fund for startups projects much quicker. Startups creates variety of better goods and services which we pay cheaper than what we currently pay. Old products and services are expensive and slow. For example: education system cost load of money such as $30k to $200k debt -> online degree = 20k debt -> blockchain startup selling courses by working directly with professionals = $50/month subscription fees. Middleman can’t use your hard earn money to build their skyscrapers.

Thats why I never bought BCH, I focus more on bitcoin, although it is more expensive but the quality is certainly better on BTC.
no more drama on BCH this year! Hopefully bitcoin will be trusted again and prices will rebound this year

This can be misleading for beginners. After all, they do not yet understand what bitcoin is. More experienced people know what's what and can soberly look at the situation and do not support what is not profitable.

Oof... A lot to unpack here.

- BSV is currently the 10th biggest coin by market cap. Kind of surprised you never heard of it or all the bcash fork drama, but I don't hold it against you.

- It's not impossible, it happens all the time.

- ANYBODY can fork ANY coin that is open sourced! I could make a fork of BSV today if I wanted to. Just copy some crap from their GitHub repository to mine, tweak the name of the coin, and voila, fork!

this is why good developer leave core chain over a small disagreement ! 

It's not only the BCH community that is manipulating, even BTC and other cryptocurrencies have their own shares too.

The bitcoin and bitcoin cash are a world apart and there is no comparison whatsoever between them,tagging the bch as the real bitcoin is an actually foolish thing to suggest.
BCH came with a lot of prospects,but I doubt it'll fulfil any of them,it will just be any other alternative to the bitcoin

Where do you get the word games? Everybody knows what bitcoin is and what it means to people. Instead of trying to deny bitcoin with arguments, I suggest you express your concern directly.

There are still people who are envious of Roger and they were still fooled with his statement. I have no attraction with BCH even now. Though I was really confused at the first place why do they create BCH when there is still bitcoin. We all started with Bitcoin and I do not think everyone will believe such fud which Roger started to spread to discourage some bitcoin patronizers.

Just keep following what other tells you to do and at the end of the day you don't have any other person to blame but yourself.
You are the one who been following orders by other people letting them point you where to put your money and if you lose it is because of your foolishness for being taken away by their talk.