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Well of course the simple answer is YES, but to whom should it be given. Opinion seems to think that it will be taken by Maduro if he gets it, and Juan Guaidó is an American puppet introduced to create a regime change to favour the US. If Guaidó gets it, then some people think it will disappear in the same way that the Libyan bank deposits vanished after the removal of Gaddafi.

I'll go out on a limb, and say that the gold should only be returned when a true democratically elected president is in power, and the money can be used to help rebuild the economy. It is an important asset for Venezuela, and it shouldn't be allowed to fall into the hands of the banking elite.

I think it should be given back to Venezuela treasure, but neither of them should be able to get it.

First guaido needs to make an election, as he is only interim president. Whoever is elect will be the president, democratic legitimate.

After this election, they should receive the money imo. Of course my opinion means nothing lol.

I don't think guaido is a puppet. Maduro became much more a Cuba/Russia/China puppet than guaido is /will be.

Maduro is weak and not popular. Nobody wants him there, only the military. If he loses this support he is out. On the other hand, anyone who is not from the Communist party will have population support, and guaido is one of those guys (not the most popular)

Guaidó gained a degree in public administration at George Washington University. and many feel that this may have given him a bias towards the globalists. Here is a quote from the GWU website

This smacks of the Eton/Oxford elite who control so much of the world, including the EU, Britain, and the US. It is noteworthy that they are strong supporters of him. I see that the US is moving heavy mobile weapons into Columbia, and this is probably to assist in the removal of Maduro, and the suppression of a Venezuelan version of the gilet jaune movement.

Imo, Latin America socialists are much more inclined to globalism. Chaves/Maduro , Lula and Fidel were moving towards forming a  block in Latin America (pátria grande). You may find some official info about it in Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foro_de_S%C3%A3o_Paulo) or their official website http://forodesaopaulo.org/

Here in Brazil Lula was a great UN supporter, and everything else globalists do. He was a great supporter of Obama, who also has good relations with him.

Bolsonaro election was a somehow motivated by the total failure of this agenda, especially when we began to donate billions of dollars to Cuba, Venezuela, Angola...

Maybe guaipo is also inclined towards globalism, but in a lesser degree, and with better allies.

At least he will allow elections, and most important:will allow people to eat and rebuild the country.

As soon as Maduro is gone. He is like the meth addict cousin you can't leave alone in your house because everything of value will go missing.

Funny you brought this here, because today came news about the Maduro regime hastily selling gold to the United Arab Emirates, and there are rumors gold was sent in "that Russian plane", possibly with their families.

That gold belongs to Venezuela. Soon the Maduro regime will end and logically those reserves should remain as such, in storage.

Exclusive: Venezuela plans to fly central bank gold reserves to UAE (https://www.streetinsider.com/General+News/Exclusive%3A+Venezuela+prepares+to+fly+tonnes+of+central+bank+gold+to+UAE+-+source/15063598.html)
‘Novaya Gazeta’ reports Russia helped sell Venezuelan gold. Russia’s Central Bank denies it. (https://meduza.io/en/feature/2019/01/31/novaya-gazeta-reports-russia-helped-venezuela-sell-gold-for-maduro-s-sake-russia-s-central-bank-denies-it)

That question should not be not be addressed to the UK (who is safekeeping part of our gold reserves by OUR request), but to Russia and the UAE who seem happy to launder it...

Golds in Venezuela should be returned. The United Kingdom must return the gold under Maduro's administration and that's my personal opinion. Maduro is considered as the temporary President of Venezuela and is more reliable compared to the puppet Guaido. Maduro owns the gold so he has the rights to get it. I don't know why the UK keeps on blocking the gold withdrawal by Maduro maybe because the U.S whispered to them to block it.(IMO)

IMO Maduro is the owner of those gold because he is the president of Venezuela now. It doesn't matter temporary or not. It can be another funny joke of president trump as he is doing with mexcian border fence issue.

In recent news its kinda clear that Russia, China, Iran supporting Maduro which can be another reason. Finally its nothing but a game of global politics.

Should... Rather ask if UK will ?

While in power in Venezuela will not come a man who will be able to stabilize the situation whether it is Maduro or Guido, the meaning of the return of gold yet.
Yes, logically, these 550 million dollars would help the country in solving many problems, but based on inflation of 400-500% over the past 4 years, all this money will disappear in a matter of minutes.

I've spoken to a few Venezuelans, and they seem to think that the gold should stay where it is until a proper democratic government can be elected. They seem to think that if the gold is returned at the moment, then it will be stolen ( diverted ) no mater who gets it at the moment.

It's really time the US got out from under the control of the morphed British Empire. They are destroying the country with all their intervention. The sanctions on Russia weakened the US, and it strengthened Russia, and led to the creation of various projects to replace the US ones. The oil embargo on Venezuela has added 2 cents to the cost of oil in the US, and is leading to the bankruptcy of the special refineries that were created to process the high quality Venezuelan oil. In the meantime, Venezuela is setting up alternative trading agreements that won't be using the US dollar.

Just a small observation, Venezuelan oil is a very low quality oil. The lighter, the better. It's a very heavy oil and requires specialized refineries made almost exclusively for its oil.

From Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves_in_Venezuela


They are probably overestimated also...

My point was that the US has built such refineries, and it is allowing them to go bankrupt because they aren't easy to convert, The loss of their output has pushed up prices in the US. I'm not an oil expert, but I believe that the heavy oil id actually of higher quality, and, yes, it has to be mixed with lighter oil to simplify processing. I think Sweetlight crude is used for this. The sanctions appear to be more damaging to the US than to Venezuela. China seems to be buying the oil at discounted prices, and this gives them another edge over the US.

How did the UK get the gold? I must have missed something here.

It is on deposit at their central bank.

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The current government is doing very bad things to their citizens and anything of value given to the current government will be turned into resources that will help the current government stay in control (and continue starving, arresting without cause, and murdering their citizens).

Once democracy is restored, the gold can be released. Obviously, socialism must also be done away with too.

Have you looked into a mirror recently to figure out which country has been doing this for decades? The US Warmongers need to stay out; if the current regime is to be overthrown, then it should be done without outside intervention.

The US doesn't give two ducks about any democracy; they care about the Oil and the Russian/Chinese investments in the country. ::)

The US taxes its citizens' income, and takes approximately 50% of income at the most, but the majority pay much less, and even those who earn a lot can lower this to roughly 28% via simple, legal tax strategies (long term capital gains). Taxes paid in the US more or less goes to providing services for the country as a whole, defending the country or goes to the less well off. Venezuela has seized nearly all income and resource producing assets, and including (hyper)inflation that the government directly causes, taxes its people at an effective rate at over 99%. Tax revenue in Venezuela largely benefits the political elite and well connected.

Citizens are free to criticize those in power in the US without consequence from the government, while those in power in Venezuela will see those who criticize (who have influence) arrested on bogus charges, or otherwise are subjected to violence from the government.

The exact same thing can be stated for the US; and if you claim otherwise you must be delusional. Do you need more bailouts and golden parachutes to prove otherwise? Can't afford medical care, but can afford to wage war on innocent countries/people. ::)

The same is mostly correct for Venezuela; stop reading massive media false news made in the US. Start reading independant media; i.e. media that actually has no corporate interests and written by the people that went to Venezuela to check it out.

I posted this in the Fit to Talk project, and I hoped to get some replies from Venezuelans.


I'll try to get some more info,and take the article to the political board here.

Ah. OK. We're referring to deposited monies owned by the Venezuelan government. If a government considers another government illegitimate then putting a freeze on the deposited monies is a hostile act tantamount to an act of war. But the monies still belong to the Venezuelan government.  Should another government come in to power, that is considered legitimate, the monies ought to be returned.

It was foolish for Maduro and company to keep a large amount of funds oversees.

A key question would be - if the monies were in the name of Maduro, or his wife and children (assuming he has a wife and children), that would yet another tricky question.

Last I read/heard news about it (yesterday), the US applied pressure to the UAE and the transaction was halted. The Russians probably got theirs. This gold is from the national reserve, its not supposed to be used for anything, just stored safely. Traditionally in the central bank but some is kept abroad. Because Maduro is not recognized as the legitimate president, no orders coming from him or his officials need to be obeyed by the countries who have officially backed Guaidó and denounced Maduro's usurpation.

There is also the problem of the more recent gold being extracted by destroying thousands of acres of millennial rain forest, and the killing of people due to the organized crime involved in its "illegal" extraction which is then conveniently seized by the military who then in turns sells it

About the heavy oil refineries, indeed they belong to Citgo, which in turn belongs to Venezuela, its a Venezuelan State owned company.
Due to mismanagement and lack of maintenance, the largest heavy oil refineries within Venezuela itself stopped, and they hastily came up with buying both lighter crude oil and fuel already processed, this of course is given away almost for free to the population, ruining what little money could be coming to the State oil company PDVSA, and is estimated 2/3rds of it gets smuggled out of the country anyway, with military complicity...

Citgo has been put under control of President Guaidó. The US has not issued an embargo against Venezuela, but against specific individuals from the Maduro regime. After Maduro ordered the American embassy closed, he also ordered the diplomats in the US to leave. However Guaidó has told them to disobey the usurper and stay. Some diplomats are leaving, but others staying. Something similar is happening in all Venezuelan institutions, including the military. Usually those who express support to Guaidó (in Venezuela) get imprisoned, but more and more are rebelling, and its only a matter of time.

There is general anger to the Maduro regime, he is literally the reason Venezuela got it its worth inflation in history, and there is more to tell of his wrongdoings, but i'll stop for now. Regime change is wished by the vast majority of Venezuelans, including former Chavez supporters. It is THAT bad.

There is a good video whose English version finally came out and I was waiting to share a link here so you can all understand the situation better:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/mbsf7Stwddo/hqdefault.jpg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbsf7Stwddo)

Yeah thats the exact reason. Its all about Russian/Chinese
Issue. Worldwide politics already divided into two sides. Some Countries having friendship with US and others with Russia/China. In every single issues there always two sides debate.

It's usually the US that starts bullshit like this; it's trivial when the majority of your population is well-trimmed sheep like quickseller.

Both the Russian and Chinese governments are enemies of the US and the Western world. These governments are hoping to use the money invested in the area to exert influence in the region.

The human rights violations by the current Venezuela government (and military) are very real and the government should not be able to stay in power because of these violations.

Venezuela's greatest problem is that it has the world's largest oil reserves, and the second largest gold reserves, and some other stuff. Everybody want to take control of these assets, and unfortunately the people are the ones who suffer as a result of this. Guaido is a graduate of the American regime change college, and may well turn out to be worse for Venezuela than Maduro, and that must be a pretty extreme comment.

That is not an extreme comment at all. Many people make the mistake of thinking the USA is monolithic. Even (or especially) the kind of agencies that organize these types of things have white hat and black hat factions within them. There is most certainly a risk of more of the same interventionist smash and grab type war policies we have seen a lot of in the past. This threat however should also be counterbalanced with the risk of allowing China to fill that power vacuum in the region, and the even greater war that would result in a build up of Chinese influence in South America.

Make no mistake they have a high priority of doing this as a sort of tit-for-tat reaction to the US presence in the South China sea, and their stance on Taiwan. In a lot of ways there are a lot of parallels here between Venezuela now and what happened between the USA and the USSR in Cuba during The Bay of Pigs operation run under George H.W. Bush (as CIA not POTUS). This could be a watershed event here. Hopefully this time everyone keeps their heads.

I am not at all a fan of interventionist policies, however the fact that Trump is actually pulling out of Syria and scaling down other conflicts is a strong indicator to me that he will not be seeking a similar scenario there. Time will tell.

I think there is more of a parallel with Libya, and look what happened there.

You're wrong.

The human rights violations started when the US placed Venezuela under economic sanctions in 2004, after Chavez defended himself against a US sponsored coup. Chavez and Maduro have no reason to starve everyone half to death, but the US state department does.


Chavez was a bit of an asshole. Maduro also. I don't like totalitarians, period.

But the US state department does like human rights abusing totalitarian dictators; so long as they do what they're told to by the US state dept. That's why Saddam, Gadaffi, Chavez and Maduro have been targetted; the fact that they're assholes is not the problem (they all apparently threatened or even began to trade oil outside SWIFT/dollar system before their demise). They're independent assholes, and the US (and also China and Russia) don't tolerate independent despots.

Related article: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-01/coming-us-china-proxy-war-venezuela

Wait. What? The US refuses to buy and sell anything with Venezuela (not true as there are still Citgo stations in the US) and that excuses killing your own people? Throwing people who disagree with you in jail? That excuses closing newspapers and arresting the editors? No. Just no.

Don't play that foolish game. Don't excuse the evils of a dictatorship.

In my personal opinion sending gold back to Venezuela now will be a bad decision, I feel they should only send it back once there’s some stability. I’m not convinced by either of the candidates, as the current one has screwed their economy, and the other one basically wants to bend the knee to USA. It is in times like these the people need to make a choice stick with the current leader, or bend the knee to USA forever.

So, it would be better for Venezuela to not have any assets? (Obviously not)

Perhaps it would be best if their government was competently run. How is it that nations that the US conquored (Japan) and stationed troops for 60 years (South Korea) are doing so well. Whereas North Korea is a sh!thole? If the US was so horrible why isn't Japan and South Korea simply poverty-ridden, slave state being exploited by the US?

I didn't. Don't excuse the US dictatorship either.

Venezuela has an enormous number of assets, and this made it one of the richest South American countries a few years ago, We aren't really talking about that though, we are discussing a large quantity of gold that is the property of the Venezuelan people.

Giving it to Maduro. who has a bad record of economic management, is unlikely to help the people
Giving it to Guaidó, who is a graduate of George Washington University ( the US school for foreign regime change activists) is unlikely to help the people of Venezuela, and is more likely to be used to enrich the elite bankers, and to foment even more violent dissent in the country.

This sort of thing is the main reason for nuclear nonproliferation.  Imagine pulling a heist like this against a nation with ICBM capabilities.  Wouldn't happen. Well the answer is in the question.  Japan and South Korea benefited from the US' economic support.  North Korea's loss was also Japan's gain.

Japan was the first country in Asia to industrialize.  American investment was poured into Japan with the goal of making sure the Japanese people were happy and wouldn't think about communism.  The question is almost like asking "Why do trust fund babies succeed while orphans start off with shitty lives"


Japan also has its security guaranteed by the US which is a huge economic relief.  North Korea has had to focus most of its resources on protecting itself from US invasion.

South Korea was a repeat of the same thing again bankrolled by the west at the expense of North Korea. 

Maduro is far better than the CIA spy that the US sent. A lot of the trouble that Venezuela is in now is not due to Maduro's faulty policies, but due to all the sanctions that the US war-machine set upon them. I could never understand how someone could say they are proud to be American. ::)

I broadly agree. But it's not easy to see at exactly which level this is true.

Take Kim Jong Un, just one of many cardboard cutout dictators scaring all the children into going along with the international soap opera (with main characters including USA, Britain, France. Germany, Russia & China, that's a familiar list...). Kim Jong Un spent most of his life at an expensive Swiss international school, hanging out with those type of kids (who you would assume he is still friends with). I have a hard time accepting that Kim really believes in what he's doing as North Korean president, so what's really going on?

But then you only have to check out that video of Gaddafi getting stabbed in the sphincter to realise that independent dictator assholes is a real phenomenon. There's alot of fakery going on, but precisely what is difficult to pin down. We can safely say that the US (or Russia/UK/China etc) give zero fucks about asshole dictators, but there's good reasons to believe that some of these Doctor Evils are actually working with the big powers (certainly true in the case of China and North Korea, that's publicly accepted).


So you maybe see what I'm trying to say: how do we know that Maduro is for real, and not playing a clandestine role? One thing's for sure, Venezuela is losing population fast, one way or another. Could that be the real goal, and is Maduro going to be left in charge to facilitate that (and to what end?)? Or is it more a Castro situation, where Maduro is wanted as a permanent boogeyman to scare the American public into accepting even more oppressive treatment from the US federal agencies? All of that and more?

One thing that makes increasingly less sense to me is that Russia and the US are mortal enemies, after all, the only one to benefit from all these stories is US and Russian state power. It's one big game of good cop/bad cop, but mutually inverted. "We'll save you from those nasty scary Americans/Russians!!!" is what they're both effectively saying. Great racket fellas.

It's so crazy to see people from rich capitalist countries defending Maduro (or trying to compare his crimes to supposed US interference).

Maduro and chaves stole not the country, but the people.

This is what happened therein the last decade:

Engineers and technicians from PDVSA (Their oil company) were most of them fired and had their pension funds deleted. They were all replaced by socialist party members. Imagine, oil engineers replaced by illiterate members of the party.

Those engineers flee away from the country, most wen to Brazil and Colombia and USA. They were the lucky ones.

The ones who stayed now live with a wage of about 100 USD per month in Venezuela.

Marketplaces are all empty. Food shortage, basic hygiene products shortage.
All big companies left the country.

Welcome to the Latin America socialist dream.
http://www.imaculadamaria.com.br/z1img/31_03_2017__08_55_089013009aa23d79b17854e97ec4c838a1fb4cc_640x480.jpg

Maduro chose who can or cannot participate in elections. Chaves banned all guns in the country, only his government officials are allowed to have guns (how convenient isn't it?)

Criminality there is one of the highest in the world. The homicide rate is higher than in Syria during civil war.

There is no food. People are eating dogs in the streets

All that happened in front of Obama eyes. USA did nothing. Obama is a fuking coward.
Brazil did nothing. Even worse. Our corrupted government supported maduro.. We were also having problems, as we had to deal with our socialists (Lula and Dilma) who wanted to make the same to us.

Now Brazil and USA are finally doing something. Embargos are the least we can do
It's our moral obligation.

Maduro needs to be removed. That's the only thing that matters for people who live there.

Yep, I agree.

But maybe you should listen to some people from those rich capitalist countries; you're not going to get real capitalism in South America. People with political friends will get given great deals on former state assets, and anyone who creates a successful business will need to let in the establishment's influence before they can become the next corporate giant. The power dynamics are very similar to socialism, except the poverty is less extreme and it's less likely to collapse.

You swap hard-totalitarianism for soft-totalitarianism. Capitalism is what you will not get.

Why is no one surprised you are fond of a Communist dictator.

Maybe.
But it's possible to get a real capitalist economy in a few decades. At least we can try .

 Latin America socialist policies do not let people develop their talents, create their small companies, etc. I am not talking about a perfect country, just a Better life for people who want to work and study.

The dynamics you just described is what we have in Brazil now. However, we are shifting now to something different.

 It's a long term process, changing our institutions and the way we think. Now, everyone needs the government to make money: you need to work for the government, or sell your good to the government, or makes services to he government to make money . The idea is to reduce the government so people can live their lives away from it. It's possible for us, we are not doomed forever to live this way.

And of USA is somehow helping our neighbors I'm the process, that's amazing. I don't get why people think it's ok to have our economy destroyed by socialists allied to Cuba China and Russia, but it's bad to rebuild the economy with USA money. Europe did that after the war. Why can't we?

Agreed. You do now have an opportunity to change Brazil. And I said "you" have an opportunity, not "Bolsonaro", the people need to be capitalists whatever he does or says



Ask Europeans how that worked out. They'd tell you they ended up with capitalist-socialism (France, Scandinavia etc), or state capitalism (everywhere else).

Eh? The US has nothing to do with people starving, it was Maduro's idiotic "command economy" taken straight out from the extinct eastern "real socialism" bloc. Keep the absurd USD Peg, fixate prices, and order the central bank to create money from nowhere to pay wages... What could possibly go wrong? Everything did.

"Inflation does not exist in real life" -- Luis Salas, Jan 7th, 2016. Maduro's "ministry of economy", a sociologist...
For economy czar of crisis-hit Venezuela, inflation 'does not exist' (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-economy-idUSKBN0UL27820160107).

In 2004 Venezuela had no issues with food or medicine shortages, this all started as soon as Chavez died and Maduro seized power.

In those years the only sanction i could remember was a ban on weapon dealings from American companies. So Venezuela switched from buying American weapons and started buying Russian weapons, this had no impact to the people as the only consumer of weapons are the military.

Maduro may end like Noriega, or Gaddafi depending on his choices. Either way the people will celebrate when ANYONE opens the economy. Enough is enough.

Please stop reading the fake news mainstream media. Were it not for the strict US sactions it wouldn't have either: 1) Gotten as bad as it is. 2) Gotten this bad this fast. I am no fan of Maduro, but the real reason which caused this situation isn't the attempted socialism but because he did not bow down to the US war machine. It's the same damn story wherever they have tried to intervene each time so far.

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"Human rights crisis" - ask them how their contributions to the citizens of Yemen are going? Ah right, supplying bombs and keeping quiet. :)

I agree. Maduro still would have screwed Venezuela up, Chavez set up the nutty politcal culture over there, it's not like Maduro changed it all overnight. Maduro (and Chavez equally) were just lazy in their thinking; when you're in control of so much oil, it's too tempting to think you can do just about anything, because the oil exports are always there to keep the country afloat, it's the curse of mineral rich nations.


But pretending that US sanctions didn't accelerate a bad situation into something many times worse is just wilful ignorance. Once the easy option (exporting oil) was gone, the crazy policies had nothing to help prop the up anymore. You can't make a reasonable claim that the crazy policies were ultimately responsible, it was killing the safety net (oil exports) that put Venezuela in this situation. They have enough oil to carry on with the craziest government on earth (just look at the Saudis), so long as the oil can be openly sold.

Only now the money from exporting oil to the US is stopping, or more precisely, given to Guaidó instead of Maduro. There were no "sanctions" of that sort before 2019. In all the years of Chavez and Maduro, Venezuelan oil has kept going to the United States. The couple of American companies that left back then (over disagreements on conditions changed by Chavez) did not mean the oil stopped flowing. It was all sent by the Venezuelan state oil company PDVSA to the other Venezuelan state oil company CITGO in the US.

The money never stopped coming, the problem is what they did to that money, most of it gone in corruption and absurd subsidies (gasoline is still nearly free in Venezuela). Unlike the Saudis, who, at least in addition to their family riches, also invested in their country...

Self evidently not true, you obviously know alot of the details, yet you're avoiding the fact that Venezuela was prevented from using USD now for several years (hence Maduro's eventual introduction of the Petro state cryptocurrency in 2017). It's a big barrier to selling oil exports if you cannot transact in the currency in which it's priced.

No way! they should return that after maduro presidency!

Lies, i have told countless times in this forum, and yet you people repeat the same falsehood again. We were never stopped from using USD by anyone but the regime itself. Quite the irony at that. Petro wasn't introduced to bypass US sanctions against Venezuela, it was possibly introduced to bypass US sanctions against corrupt and criminal individuals from Venezuela, who are suddenly finding their ill gotten money frozen. But more likely, to cover the horrid policy of creating fiat money from nowhere and blaming it all on the "Evil Empire".

Let me repeat this to you in case you don't get it. Up until 2019, yes THIS YEAR, Oil (Petroleum) from Venezuela has been going into the USA (to CITGO), and sold there for USD. That money then enters PDVSA (the Venezuelan State Oil company) and "by law" is all given to the Central Bank of Venezuela, where the regime "assigns it" to a few select elite at "preferential price" and spends the rest only God knows how (because they suspended accountability, by declaring the National Assembly invalid when they lost most of their seats there). We know SOME of it is used to buy food at outrageous prices from other countries to sell subsidized here. You can rest assured some elite, either good friend, family or military close to the regime gets to keep the profits from importing that.

And just you wait until you learn about the money making scheme the "foreign currency exchange control" does to them... I might hold to explain that with more detail in a separate thread. When the American asic manufacturer butterfly labs went bankrupt, why was a Venezuelan willing to buy the whole thing and sell it back at price? Because of this...

Venezuela has two separate USD prices: One "legal" the select few Elite can obtain, and one "illegal" everyone can buy at 3x or more. Of course, those who obtain the legal price, proceed to illegally sell it (directly or indirectly by buy/sell things) in the parallel (black) market.

So in "socialist" Venezuela, you get to make lots of money if you happen to be real friends with someone with the decision to assign things to you, just like it always has been in all socialist countries. At the expense of the misery, disease and starvation of the masses, of course.

So by having the right connections, you can convert 1,000 USD to 3,000 USD, 3,000 USD to 9,000 USD, 9,000 USD to 27,000 USD...
But wait, that is not even the most lucrative business...

100 USD fills a gasoline tanker truck. Make that tanker "somehow" cross the border, and it becomes 40,000 USD. Are the military involved? Yup. Does this occur by sea on ship tankers too? Yup. Socialism is a machine for corruption, and those are the only people getting sanctioned, not Venezuela.

Something similar has been occurring with the subsidized food too, on a smaller (but sometimes even more lucrative) scale. And well, since everything is technically illegal anyway, and you are bribing all over the place, some bonus drug-trafficking goes on too. That is how Maduro's nephews using a plane belonging to State Oil PDVSA, ended arrested in Haiti with a LOT of cocaine they intended to bring to the USA.

When you see a rich Maduro official (diplomat or whatever) getting his/her assets frozen abroad, do no feel the least sympathy for them, and do not think the sanctions are against the country, they are not, that is a blatant lie. The sanctions are against specific individuals, with full name, not "anyone from Venezuela".

It looks like neoconservatists are nutjobs that are a danger to everyone. I can only advise independent readers to say no to the US corrupted warmachine, with or without Maduro.

Lets see, "neoconservatists" would be those who want keep the current status quo, ie. Maduro in power... But now is opening a chance to end it after years of stagnation, grief and dead.

So better keep things alone and do nothing, because that is somehow better than taking a chance the people have been waiting for decades?

I don't think so...

I was referring to the US neoconservatists which are desperate for war.

Right, and how have these interventions worked out so far? How many had to die because the US was trying to "restore democracy"? If this really gets on the way, you can expect false flag chemical attacks in Venezuela as well.

Do you have any remote idea how many people have to die every year because of the current regime? 20k+.

Since Guaidó's proclamation on Jan 23, only in political demonstrations alone, 35 have been killed by the gov armed forces.. Today is an important demonstration day, how many more will die?

At the same time, this country has the highest crime rate of the hemisphere, with Caracas often surpassing Hondura's worst city (San Pedro Sula) with violent crime deaths per capita.

There is also the deaths provoked by socialist economy. An economy that resulted in no medicine and barely food.

So by both inaction and action, every day that passes without change, more people die. There is more if you dare to search a little. Just search "violent deaths Venezuela"...

There is also documented torture, as i posted in one of the threads...

No, much more than that. Worldwide, it's in the 100's of thousands per year, and that's the low level genocide. Millions were killed in Syria, millions were killed in Iraq, millions killed in Libya, Vietnam, Nicaragua, Cambodia, Korea...



Oh you're talking about the Maduro regime? I thought you meant the regime of the people you think should "save" (i.e. kill) the Venezuelan population. Sorry, my bad.

(I hear the US regime "tortured some folks" too, the US president said it)

This gold belongs to Venezuela so UK can't forbide them to return their own gold. Even though UK doesn't support Maduro's policy, it's not fair to use such sitiation as a political weapon

The gold belongs to Venezuela but Maduro is not recognized and therefore has no authority over it.

You really are a delusional normie, aren't you? Now wonder the US media machine easily manipulates the mass folk when individuals are of your type. ::)

Millions and more to come until the $ collapses.