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Title: I locked my beginners price discussion thread,
Post by: Jet Cash on January 31, 2019, 01:10:16 PM
I wanted to start a topic for beginners, and to help them to learn a bit about Bitcoin price movements, and it seemed to start reasonably well. However it has been moved onto the speculation board, and I think this is a spammers board and I have it on ignore, so I will not be revisiting the thread.

In my opinion, if you want new blood in the Bitcoin Talk forum, then you need to allow new members to discuss topics like this, and they won't be visiting the minor domains of the bounty spammers, unless they are just trying to boost their membership and spam sigs. It's getting harder to find good and interesting general topics here, and if the mods keep pissing off members who are actively trying to remedy this, then it will get even worse.

Can we have some sort of policy decision on the direction BT is to take in the future, and a bit of training for some of the mods might help as well.


Title: Re: I locked my beginners price discussion thread,
Post by: jackg on January 31, 2019, 01:19:53 PM
Could you not just start a new thread on the speculation board that's self moderated?

I personally would suggest moving it back 😂 but that's just me... You could always leave a note for the mods not to move it and check its response. Although imo it is more of a speculation board topic.

I think the idea of 'spammers boards' should be to try to produce meaningful non spammy topics which yours would have been. Perhaps merging economics and speculation is what's needed...


Title: Re: I locked my beginners price discussion thread,
Post by: pugman on January 31, 2019, 01:44:52 PM
Can we have some sort of policy decision on the direction BT is to take in the future, and a bit of training for some of the mods might help as well.
Mods don't really need training, cause all of them know their shit all too well. The mods were only appointed after their year(s) of experience in reporting, and there are hardly any new mods, the last newly appointed mod was Welsh and he was modded months ago, it must be at least 6 or more months since that happened.

I wanted to start a topic for beginners, and to help them to learn a bit about Bitcoin price movements, and it seemed to start reasonably well. However it has been moved onto the speculation board, and I think this is a spammers board and I have it on ignore, so I will not be revisiting the thread.
You're wrong about it this, Speculation Board isn't really a spam-fest. A lot of good posters post there, and the spam isn't(comparatively) bad. You could just unignore the section, if it bothers you so much, or don't bother creating topics at all.



Title: Re: I locked my beginners price discussion thread,
Post by: Jet Cash on January 31, 2019, 04:30:28 PM
Thanks Jack, but I really hoped for some comments by brand new members,  their posts seem to be considered flatus by many of the members on the speculation and mining boards, but maybe that has changed recently. However, I don't think it will be an early port of call for them, and they could be put off by talk of EMA ribbons, fibonacci retracement, and bollinger bands. They want to know about volatility, and how to buy coins without wasting money. They also need to be deflected away from buying Bitcoin Cash instead of Bitcoin. This is why I thought it was essential for the thread to be in beginners and help. The purpose of the board is in the name.

@Pugman - In view of the loss of valuable members, and the comments about the decline in quality posting, maybe it is time for a change of mods, or at least a change in policy. See my reply to JackG for my reason for not putting the thread in speculation, Beginners need to discuss with other beginners sometimes, and not be subject to belittling comments by the experienced - this is why we have a beginners and help board, isn't it?

Re: your comment about my not posting: you are the second person to suggest this, and the last time I had to go to other forums to glean the information I needed. Also, I'm teaching myself to become a Forex scalper, and I'm doing this with the help of YouTube, as I didn't feel that I could get the interaction here. I really do want to interact with new Bitcoin users in foreign countries, so maybe the best place to do this is to discuss the topic on non-crypto boards, I already do it in McDonalds and such places.


Title: Re: I locked my beginners price discussion thread,
Post by: Findingnemo on January 31, 2019, 05:03:57 PM
When we know that speculation board is a spam fest then we need strict moderation there but don't expect to use other boards with irrelevant subject. ;)


Title: Re: I locked my beginners price discussion thread,
Post by: Alone055 on January 31, 2019, 06:09:31 PM
I wanted to start a topic for beginners, and to help them to learn a bit about Bitcoin price movements, and it seemed to start reasonably well. However it has been moved onto the speculation board, and I think this is a spammers board and I have it on ignore, so I will not be revisiting the thread.

Unignore the board, create another thread in self-moderated mode, delete every single spam that comes your way in your thread, and keep doing what you want.
You don't really need to visit anything outside your thread in that board if you think that the board is full of spammers. Just open your thread, do your work, and get out of the board without paying any attention to the other threads that bother you.


Title: Re: I locked my beginners price discussion thread,
Post by: TECSHARE on January 31, 2019, 06:13:32 PM
Set up a self moderated thread with posted rules that it is for new users only.


Title: Re: I locked my beginners price discussion thread,
Post by: Jet Cash on January 31, 2019, 06:57:03 PM
Surprisingly, the beginners' board is the board for beginners. I made a mistake in posting a beginners thread there, and I now realise that the forum policy is to post such beginners' topics in the advanced specialist boards that the beginners don't visit. I apologise to the forum, and I won't make the mistake again. I'll leave such topics to others to not post.



Title: Re: I locked my beginners price discussion thread,
Post by: tmfp on January 31, 2019, 07:08:55 PM
I'm teaching myself to become a Forex scalper and I'm doing this with the help of YouTube

Hahaha.
GLWT.


Title: Re: I locked my beginners price discussion thread,
Post by: Jet Cash on January 31, 2019, 07:25:29 PM
Hey, don't knock it. I'm a natural. I've already made 50 pence. :)


Title: Re: I locked my beginners price discussion thread,
Post by: tmfp on January 31, 2019, 07:38:30 PM
Hey, don't knock it. I'm a natural. I've already made 50 pence. :)

Pip pip.

 ;D


Title: Re: I locked my beginners price discussion thread,
Post by: kingpin4321 on January 31, 2019, 07:50:37 PM
You topic was like known how to understand price movement and to be able to predict how it would go. Well that's is a constant sure price movement prediction no matter how professional we are. So it's also a form of speculating and it right if it's on the speculation board.
It's bad that that section has been infested with spammers.


Title: Re: I locked my beginners price discussion thread,
Post by: Jet Cash on January 31, 2019, 08:03:47 PM
So why do we have a beginners board?


Title: Re: I locked my beginners price discussion thread,
Post by: The Pharmacist on January 31, 2019, 08:20:15 PM
It's bad that that section has been infested with spammers.
Yeah, but it's not surprising that it is a haven for shitposters.  All you have to do is write a few words about where you think bitcoin is headed, and the post will basically be on-topic even if it is garbage.

Although I tend to think technical analysis is a bunch of voodoo garbage, there are some members in that section who are hardcore TA enthusiasts, and they do put some work into their posts and some members do find that useful.  I've posted in Speculation quite a few times, usually when the price is moving and I'm getting excited about it--but mostly it's the same threads and posts repeated over and over, and it's not one of my favorite sections.

Jet Cash, I know you're trying to help the newbies, but they're allowed to read and post in sections other than B&H and if a thread about price movements seems more appropriate for Speculation, then that's where it should be.  I've had B&H on ignore for a long time, so I don't even know what they discuss there.  I would think questions about basic crypto stuff would be the norm and not market speculation.  

It was already suggested that maybe you could request a mod to keep your thread in the B&H section as a favor to you, and that might work if you feel strongly about it--I don't see what the big deal with that would be, since you're aiming to help the beginners.  That's up to the mods, obviously.  And as jackg suggested you could make a self-moderated thread, but chances are that if it's in the Speculation section no one will reply there and it'll get buried in no time.  

So why do we have a beginners board?
Why do we have a speculation section?  It's just people pretending to know where bitcoin is going or people writing nonsense posts for their sig campaigns.

Edit:
the bitcoin price cannot be tracked properly but bitcoin does not dead because bubble!!! buy low sell high except now bear season so wait until the price is going good again

- probably some post in Speculation
Lol, exactly.  And funny you mentioned the "buy low, sell high" thing, because that's what most of the posts there boil down to.  In fact, that's true of some other sections as well.


Title: Re: I locked my beginners price discussion thread,
Post by: actmyname on January 31, 2019, 08:24:02 PM
So why do we have a beginners board?
Why do we have a speculation section?  It's just people pretending to know where bitcoin is going or people writing nonsense posts for their sig campaigns.
the bitcoin price cannot be tracked properly but bitcoin does not dead because bubble!!! buy low sell high except now bear season so wait until the price is going good again

- probably some post in Speculation


Title: Re: I locked my beginners price discussion thread,
Post by: Jet Cash on January 31, 2019, 08:44:16 PM
Thanks for the replies, but they really just show that the speculation board was not the place for it. The thread was not about TA, but was really about fundamentals, whale activity, and market sentiment. If you try to throw TA at most newbies, it will turn them off Bitcoin permanently, and that isn't what we want.

Every post on the beginners' board could be on another board, but they are there because they are basic posts to help beginners' acclimatise themselves to Bitcoin. The sooner the mods take this on board, the sooner Bitcoin Talk will be able to recruit the stars of the future.

Anyway, I've had my rant so if the mods want to unlock it, somebody else can take it over if they think it is useful. The taste of the thread has soured a bit for me, so I will have to leave it to you guys. I have started a couple of similar threads in other forums, and I'll probably come back with some reports as a result. It's starting to look as if the predictable issues are still deterrents - The use for crime, and the difficulty of use.


Title: Re: I locked my beginners price discussion thread,
Post by: jackg on January 31, 2019, 10:00:25 PM
So why do we have a beginners board?

This is a question I've been thinking if for a while.

Why do we have a vaguely named board wituout rules but is still moderated on the forum to move beginners questions on other sections.

It's also strange that it is placed in other when it seems to be a bitcoin board. Altcoin topics get moved out of it to so it leaves me confused as to the purpose of the board (no one say it is to help beginners that is too vague).


Title: Re: I locked my beginners price discussion thread,
Post by: virendarnagpal on February 02, 2019, 07:51:53 AM
The primary and basic knowledge of each and every field shall become the part of beginners and help board.  Beginners need to know a to z about the forum. 
So I think this board is the classroom where the beginners may be wanting to know any subject of their choice they are interested about any division / board of this forum.
Whatever is taught here will relate to some or the other board.


Title: Re: I locked my beginners price discussion thread,
Post by: Jet Cash on February 02, 2019, 12:34:39 PM
I think I'm still pissed off with this move. I was going to start another merit awarding thread, but I'm reluctant to put in the effort now.

Mods should be aware of the social impact of their myopic decisions.


Title: Re: I locked my beginners price discussion thread,
Post by: cryptohunter on February 02, 2019, 02:00:59 PM
I think I'm still pissed off with this move. I was going to start another merit awarding thread, but I'm reluctant to put in the effort now.

Mods should be aware of the social impact of their myopic decisions.

You are the biggest cry baby on this forum. Get over yourself. Have another big mac and shake and chill out.

You post was moved to a more appropriate board in the mods opinion and you are still crying on about it.

Wait until you get red trusted for presenting observable facts relating to untrustworthy actions of persons in positions of trust...and some dumb ass in DT will not even review the evidence because they don't feel like it.

I see you crying over every little thing. Things that do not even have any reflection on you nor your account.

"i'm not reporting anymore because a mod disagreed with 1 report out of 100's" boo hooooooooooooo

Get a grip of yourself man you sound more like a wussy every day. Were you an only child per chance? Imagine you were getting treated like some of us here who don't not bow down and support corrupt and dishonest people. However it is great lately to notice many others are not happy with this abuse of the systems provided.

Your post was in a mods opinion better suited to another board. Just accept it. At least this is a grey area and not a blatant abuse of power for personal reasons that are in contrast to the very purpose of the system they are operating from.

Just chill about it. This is not an example of a huge breach of moderation powers against you personally. I doubt they even looked at the user who started the thread. Just noticed it was more suitable elsewhere and moved it there.

Speculation seems just as good a place for that thread as beginners ... you have to be careful what kind of thing is put in there. Even slightly misleading or incorrect advice even if well meaning could have catastrophic implications if followed blindly by a noob. I understand the precautionary nature of the mods there on this kind of thing. It should actually be the most moderated and babied section.

Seems like a nothing burger issue just continue it on speculation or make another one that is more suitable to beginners and link to it from inside that one if you want it specifically for noobs to find.


Speculation section is needed on this board so I am not sure why people would question it's legitimacy.




Title: Re: I locked my beginners price discussion thread,
Post by: Jet Cash on February 02, 2019, 03:53:01 PM
@crybabyhunter - The forum is awash with your tears.

My actions and posts are an attempt to save the forum, and to create an interesting place for sensible discussion between people of all abilities and nations.

I think my next thread will be a request for the ability to award merits to certain members for NOT posting  on the boards. :)


Title: Re: I locked my beginners price discussion thread,
Post by: jackg on February 02, 2019, 05:00:48 PM
I was wondering how jet cash would respond to that post. Tbh I read the first line and then realised why I clicked ignore the first time...

Maybe awarding merits for not posting is not such a bad idea... ;D or reducing the merits for those who write huge posts that can be shortened (I skimmed the rest it was still way too long)...


Title: Re: I locked my beginners price discussion thread,
Post by: Jet Cash on February 02, 2019, 05:09:43 PM
I need to spend some time on domain admin, so I'm going to let you guys play in  this thread from now on.

Be nice to each other, and ignore crypto's implied suggestion that we should have yellow tags in trust for people like me who are afraid to speak their minds. :)


Title: Re: I locked my beginners price discussion thread,
Post by: mdayonliner on February 02, 2019, 05:09:53 PM
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I don't think speculation board, bitcoin discussion board, altcoin discussion boards looks too bad now after all those active reporting by the members in the recent time. It's the image we are still stuck in. We are blindly saying something without even visiting the boards anymore.

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LOL you are drinking too much I guess now a days. Stop being an alcoholic mate. Take a break with all these hate inside you. You are not helping yourself.


Title: Re: I locked my beginners price discussion thread,
Post by: Hivalley on February 02, 2019, 05:18:04 PM
The thread looks sort of speculative thread to me,and I think that's why it's been rightly moved to that board,the only bad dude happens to be that beginners hardly visit that board and since the post is patterned in their favor it'll be difficult to perform it's desired effect.
Both you and the mods have a point,but they are only doing their "job",and good discussions could still take place on the speculation board


Title: Re: I locked my beginners price discussion thread,
Post by: cryptohunter on February 03, 2019, 01:45:26 AM
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I don't think speculation board, bitcoin discussion board, altcoin discussion boards looks too bad now after all those active reporting by the members in the recent time. It's the image we are still stuck in. We are blindly saying something without even visiting the boards anymore.

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LOL you are drinking too much I guess now a days. Stop being an alcoholic mate. Take a break with all these hate inside you. You are not helping yourself.

s therapist is this you again??  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096681.0

Stop sig spamming whilst casting your groundless assumptions in my direction. I barely drink alcohol on Saturday mornings.

Now if you would like to debate the validity of my post do so. Isolate the parts you have issue with and we can debate it.

I have no hate. I have contempt for scammers, liars, and sock puppet sig spamming scumbags.

Now get back to asskissing for merits whilst I get back to presenting facts.

@jackg

It is not my problem that you can not concentrate for longer than 2 seconds and have reading difficulties. Get your mommy to read them to you at bedtime when she brings your milk and cookies down to the basement.



Title: Re: I locked my beginners price discussion thread,
Post by: virendarnagpal on February 03, 2019, 04:47:17 AM
The debate has gone very very personal.  I think personal attacks must be avoided or have gentle boundaries.  We can say our issues without hurting others. 
There is reaction to each and every action.  If we spread love we will get it as return. 
So my humble request everybody should convey him / her in a way which does not hurt others.


Title: Re: I locked my beginners price discussion thread,
Post by: jackg on February 06, 2019, 06:58:36 PM
I can't see any issues although I've made too much of a use of the ignore button as a recent times due to the number of spammy trolls that are here for the reason that mods don't want to delete them.


@mday, there is still quite a bit of spam on there as far as I can tell and a beginners board might just focus the discussion more.