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Title: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof (Solved)
Post by: TotSamiy on February 04, 2019, 09:21:22 AM
I have nothing to do with this man - Wipro (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=759298)

It's a scam, nobody stopped the bounty campaign! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5082791.msg49378786#msg49378786

Post of an unknown person in my topic is the reason for negative trust?

That's what he said to that.
https://i.imgur.com/a13Fmfe.png (https://imgur.com/a13Fmfe)

I changed the password on my account because I was cleaning my computer history. All passwords reset.

My Portfolio - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5005305.0




Update:
Wipro admitted that he wrote his announcement by mistake, he deleted it, I also deleted my answer to his announcement, here is the archive - https://archive.is/KUUM6
He also admitted that I am not a member of his team, that even without this, is true, since I have my own bounty management team.
Thanks to Lauda for removing trust.


Title: Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on February 04, 2019, 09:29:43 AM
So what's with that post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5082791.msg49378786#msg49378786)?  Are you saying you have no idea who that is or why he'd suddenly write a post stating the bounty was over?  I haven't read the whole thread past that post, but it does seem odd that Wipro would write that in your thread for no reason--and in the same oversized font, as well.


Title: Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof
Post by: Lauda on February 04, 2019, 09:34:12 AM
Yes, he indeed posted on your thread for "no reason". Do not ever PM-spam me again; my response was rather nice.

So what's with that post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5082791.msg49378786#msg49378786)?  Are you saying you have no idea who that is or why he'd suddenly write a post stating the bounty was over?  I haven't read the whole thread past that post, but it does seem odd that Wipro would write that in your thread for no reason--and in the same oversized font, as well.
No, no. It's common for other BMs to post updates in the bounties that "you manage" for no reason and for you to never mention anything about it anywhere. ::)

Are the following account also not related to your "management services":
Maycorn (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1722555)
slhardy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1933147)
aibb (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1171519)


Title: Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof
Post by: MainIbem on February 04, 2019, 10:45:55 AM
It is absolutely not possible for ANYONE to give a trust rating without a reason. The burden of proof is not on the person that so rated you but it is on you to prove that the rating was wrong. What I mean is that you have to prove to Lauda that the negative trust was wrongly given. It is as simple as that. Seeking public opinion is surely not the way to handle issues of negative trust.


Title: Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on February 04, 2019, 11:01:19 AM
The burden of proof is not on the person that so rated you but it is on you to prove that the rating was wrong. What I mean is that you have to prove to Lauda that the negative trust was wrongly given.
I'm sorry, that's the most absurd thing I've read on this forum in a long time.  The person making a claim is the one who has to show the evidence, and what you wrote is the exact opposite of what you wrote in this post of yours (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5090870.msg48974560#msg48974560) (with a great response from marlboroza following it, btw).  In this case, I wouldn't say the evidence is a slam dunk but it sure as hell looks OP and Wipro are either alt accounts or worked together, or at the very least know each other by virtue of them being attached to the same project--which is something that OP denies.  

I'm very interested in hearing what OP has to say about Wipro posting in a familiar huge font, putting a halt to that bounty.  Kinda weird if Wipro wasn't the manager of it.


Title: Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof
Post by: Lauda on February 04, 2019, 11:14:10 AM
-snip-
I'm very interested in hearing what OP has to say about Wipro posting in a familiar huge font, putting a halt to that bounty.  Kinda weird if Wipro wasn't the manager of it.
The only correct answer here is: "I admit that I worked with a known fraud/scammer.". When you are wrong you should admit fault as soon as possible otherwise you're just going to dig your own hole even deeper (if you are actually guilty), which is what I advised OP to do.


Title: Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof
Post by: The Cryptovator on February 04, 2019, 11:17:23 AM
looks OP and Wipro are either alt accounts or worked together,
I am second one who have suspected Wipro and OP is alt. My only one question, Where is your reaction after replied of Wipro? why you had not asked him the reason why he have replied on your thread ? If someone isn't part of my team and he have updated on my thread then obviously I have to ask him why he had post on my thread with updates. You did it ? I don't think or I am missing something.


Title: Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof
Post by: Veleor on February 04, 2019, 11:21:48 AM
So what's with that post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5082791.msg49378786#msg49378786)?  Are you saying you have no idea who that is or why he'd suddenly write a post stating the bounty was over?  I haven't read the whole thread past that post, but it does seem odd that Wipro would write that in your thread for no reason--and in the same oversized font, as well.

Could it be that this was made by mistake?

I've read in Alcedo's thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5082791), their bounty campaign should end by 10 March.

Our Bounty Campaign starts 10th December and will go until 10th March.

However, manager Wipro (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=759298) pointed other date, 23 January.

Important Update
This campaign is closed today(23:01:2019) 23.59 as per forum time.
Reports, stakes related queries and any kind of work after this time will not be considered so kindly help us serve you better. I really do not want last minute hassles. ~

And despite this announcement, Alcedo campaign is still going on: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5082791.5080


Title: Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof
Post by: Lauda on February 04, 2019, 11:25:56 AM
So what's with that post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5082791.msg49378786#msg49378786)?  Are you saying you have no idea who that is or why he'd suddenly write a post stating the bounty was over?  I haven't read the whole thread past that post, but it does seem odd that Wipro would write that in your thread for no reason--and in the same oversized font, as well.
Could it be that this was made by mistake?
-snip-
Yes, but you tell me what the odds are of a known scam manager posting on this "manager's" particular thread by mistake while his "mom was in a hospital"/"while he changed his computer historoy" or w/e. 1:1 Billion? ::) Wipro has no current running stuff that would coincide with this "mistake"; the closest thing that comes to mind is this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5085835.msg49451848#msg49451848) where he got fired due to his scam management. I looked through all his thread that I could find before I tagged this user.


Title: Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof
Post by: Veleor on February 04, 2019, 11:46:02 AM
~

Is there any other connection between profiles TotSamiy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1772877) and Wipro (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=759298), besides this comment (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5082791.msg49378786#msg49378786)?

If this only message is enough to tag accounts then Wipro could post similar announcements in the topics of managers he doesn't like and these members will be tagged also.


Title: Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof
Post by: Lauda on February 04, 2019, 11:54:51 AM
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Is there any other connection between profiles TotSamiy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1772877) and Wipro (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=759298), besides this comment (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5082791.msg49378786#msg49378786)?
No; given the pre- and post-context I don't need more for this case.

If this only message is enough to tag accounts then Wipro could post similar announcements in the topics of managers he doesn't like and these members will be tagged also.
People who don't work with someone would prompty complain that this happened[1] and/or report it to moderators and would not get tagged. You're wasting your time defending fraudulent managers, which are one of the fundamental pieces supporting the problem that we have in the ecosystem.

[1] e.g. I would do all of the following as soon as I'd have seen it in my thread: Tag the user, report his post, make a thread about it. I'm sure that anyone reasonable would do the same as soon as they notice that they're being set up.


Title: Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof
Post by: cryptohunter on February 04, 2019, 12:36:43 PM
It is absolutely not possible for ANYONE to give a trust rating without a reason. The burden of proof is not on the person that so rated you but it is on you to prove that the rating was wrong. What I mean is that you have to prove to Lauda that the negative trust was wrongly given. It is as simple as that. Seeking public opinion is surely not the way to handle issues of negative trust.

Ha, imagine if that was true.

Even so proving lauda is a liar and a trust abuser will not help since all the rest are just as corrupt or scared of this imbecile lauda for some reason.

You  likely need to join the union against trust abusers OP. Have a look around on this board see what you can find.


Title: Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof
Post by: TotSamiy on February 04, 2019, 12:48:43 PM
~
Is there any other connection between profiles TotSamiy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1772877) and Wipro (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=759298), besides this comment (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5082791.msg49378786#msg49378786)?
No; given the pre- and post-context I don't need more for this case.

If this only message is enough to tag accounts then Wipro could post similar announcements in the topics of managers he doesn't like and these members will be tagged also.
People who don't work with someone would prompty complain that this happened[1] and/or report it to moderators and would not get tagged. You're wasting your time defending fraudulent managers, which are one of the fundamental pieces supporting the problem that we have in the ecosystem.

[1] e.g. I would do all of the following as soon as I'd have seen it in my thread: Tag the user, report his post, make a thread about it. I'm sure that anyone reasonable would do the same as soon as they notice that they're being set up.
This post was made on 203 pages. I have no idea who this man is. You can ask SEO project ALCEDO on me. I offered him to create a bounty. Especially in the subject state that the bounty Manager it's me. I finished checking the participant reports on page 200. I didn't see any further posts.

I made a post in the subject that he is a scammer.

I have a question. Can you answer?

Anyone can write in my topic about the end of the campaign. But his words do not make sense, because I'm a bounty Manager and it was originally written in the topic. What's my fault?


Title: Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof
Post by: TotSamiy on February 04, 2019, 12:54:37 PM
I'm still interested in how this project relates to me?  ???

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5024312.0


Title: Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof
Post by: Lauda on February 04, 2019, 12:57:44 PM
-snip-

Are the following account also not related to your "management services":
Maycorn (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1722555)
slhardy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1933147)
aibb (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1171519)
I asked you something already, why are you dodging? I'll also add another question: Do you have any alts? :)


Title: Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof
Post by: TotSamiy on February 04, 2019, 01:06:31 PM
I asked you something already, why are you dodging? I'll also add another question: Do you have any alts? :)
I don't have second accounts.

https://imgur.com/AaNF5eV

https://i.imgur.com/9zYkuhO.png

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5082791.msg49580570#msg49580570

https://i.imgur.com/33j5gMU.png


Title: Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof
Post by: Lauda on February 04, 2019, 01:12:25 PM
I asked you something already, why are you dodging? I'll also add another question: Do you have any alts? :)
I don't have second accounts.
What languages do you speak besides English?

https://imgur.com/AaNF5eV

https://i.imgur.com/9zYkuhO.png

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5082791.msg49580570#msg49580570

https://i.imgur.com/33j5gMU.png
Is this from today?


Title: Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof
Post by: TotSamiy on February 04, 2019, 01:17:14 PM
What languages do you speak besides English?
Russian

Is this from today?
Yes


Title: Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof
Post by: Lauda on February 04, 2019, 01:18:08 PM
What languages do you speak besides English?
Russian
Quoted for reference.

That does not help me nor anyone else then.

Do you have access to any of these?

0xCb0A7a1Ae93ea9750868348247590Fd2817aBF8a
0xDC8bEEeA0a5e114A8dcC2b2A621f6B700784Bb35


Title: Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof
Post by: TotSamiy on February 04, 2019, 01:24:15 PM
0xCb0A7a1Ae93ea9750868348247590Fd2817aBF8a
ETH address: 0xDC8bEEeA0a5e114A8dcC2b2A621f6B700784Bb35
Yes


Title: Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof
Post by: Lauda on February 04, 2019, 01:26:15 PM
0xCb0A7a1Ae93ea9750868348247590Fd2817aBF8a
ETH address: 0xDC8bEEeA0a5e114A8dcC2b2A621f6B700784Bb35
Yes
Then you should be able to prove that the account is not compromised very quickly. Send 0.0001543[1] ETH or some token from one of the addresses to the other (older -> newer better). I'll revise feedback if you can do that.

[1] Kind-of in a rush here, thus provided an unique amount rather than an unique address to verify.


Title: Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof
Post by: TotSamiy on February 04, 2019, 01:40:07 PM
Then you should be able to prove that the account is not compromised very quickly. Send 0.0001543[1] ETH or some token from one of the addresses to the other (older -> newer better). I'll revise feedback if you can do that.

[1] Kind-of in a rush here, thus provided an unique amount rather than an unique address to verify.
0x413b31798417ee19937f3e402137fd6fe166c63743532f3ee1a5e3d9512d7adb


Title: Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof
Post by: TotSamiy on February 05, 2019, 08:11:14 AM
Lauda (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=101872)?

Why are you silent?
I have been providing service under the brand RV_Team.
My work has never been challenged.

I couldn't physically check out the bounty topic due to my mom's illness.
I just yesterday was able to sit properly at the computer and figure it all out.

I've written everywhere and notified all my participants that this person's message is a lie.
You created a situation so absurd that I have to suffer for it now?


Title: Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof
Post by: Lauda on February 05, 2019, 08:14:10 AM
-snip-
Why are you silent?
I have rewritten your feedback as soon as the signed message was posted; don't provoke me and stop breaking the forum rules.

-snip-
You created a situation so absurd that I have to suffer for it now?
You are the one who created this, not me. I am the one who acted on it. I am far from convinced that you don't have anything to do with Wipro.

What languages do you speak besides English?
Russian
Quoted for reference.
Personnellement, je n'ai encore rien entendu.
What is this? ::)


Title: Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof
Post by: TotSamiy on February 05, 2019, 09:22:57 AM
What is this? ::)
I practiced my language skills. If it's against the rules, please forgive me.


Title: Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof
Post by: Halab on February 05, 2019, 09:38:25 AM
Personnellement, je n'ai encore rien entendu.
What is this? ::)

Well. It sounds French, but it smells like Google Translation.  I wouldn't say anything about promoting ICOs and management, but this whole topic (https://archive.fo/321wu) is a joke just to bump the ANN (I wasn't a mod at the time otherwise the topic wouldn't have made 2 days).


Title: Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof
Post by: bubbalex on February 05, 2019, 11:58:49 AM
I guess I'm involved in this too, today scammer Wirpo sent me merit on this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3370320.0) post. I never worked with him, it seems like attack on competitors. I don't know him, but I know TotSamiy, we started our work on bitcointalk together, but we working separately from August 2018 because of personal reasons. I'm not part of Wipro team, I never scammed anyone, I have my own bounty management services and I don't need to collaborate with scammers because my reputation important for me. Who knows, maybe tomorrow he will write such announce and in my bounty? I just want to warn any accusations to my side. Thanks, please listen to me and TotSamiy, and I'm not his alt, it's easy to check if you will wast some time or ask us about. Sent negative trust to Wipro. I don't trust people, who called himself the bounty manager when he hasn't related to project.


Title: Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof
Post by: Lauda on February 05, 2019, 12:36:27 PM
I guess I'm involved in this too, today scammer Wirpo sent me merit on this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3370320.0) post.
Which is irrelevant to me.

Personnellement, je n'ai encore rien entendu.
What is this? ::)
Well. It sounds French, but it smells like Google Translation.  I wouldn't say anything about promoting ICOs and management, but this whole topic (https://archive.fo/321wu) is a joke just to bump the ANN (I wasn't a mod at the time otherwise the topic wouldn't have made 2 days).
No surprise there. Thanks for checking it out.


Title: Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof
Post by: bubbalex on February 05, 2019, 12:38:57 PM
Which is irrelevant to me.
Just in case, to warn that I'm not affiliated with Wipro. Sorry if it's off-top.


Title: Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof
Post by: Lauda on February 05, 2019, 12:41:25 PM
Which is irrelevant to me.
Just in case, to warn that I'm not affiliated with Wipro. Sorry if it's off-top.
That's fine; you should point out these things especially if your gut tells you that someone may be trying to set you up now or sometime in the future.


Title: Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof
Post by: Wipro on February 05, 2019, 01:55:11 PM
This op is not at all involved in my team. Recent attack from the lauda and gang is attacking me saying I am promoting ponzi projects. I really did not involved in any thing. Then as the DT initially requested for topscoins project client details and etc. Still they never care to verify it or anythings. I really do not bother about these worst power abusers.

Then I shared some good and bad feedbacks today as I wish. This will be move on hereafter and I will tag and write to admin about the power abusers. take care and expect my reply again. If anything needs to know PM and lauda is in my ignore list due to worst power abusing since 2015 as I know this forum. Good bye


Title: Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof
Post by: bubbalex on February 05, 2019, 02:09:02 PM
This op is not at all involved in my team.
Still want to know why you posted announce about bounty closing in bounty, with which you not related at all? Is it some type of attack on competitors? Because everyone who related to you will be red trusted because of you. Last edit of Alcedo bounty thread was 22 January, and in this version of bounty indicated that bounty manager is TotSamiy and bounty will end on 10 March, when your post about ending was created 23 January, so?


Title: Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof
Post by: bubbalex on February 05, 2019, 02:37:01 PM
From PM

https://i.imgur.com/pJ6ZWXh.png

After this Lauda's report to Wipro for pure management looks much more realistic.


Title: Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof
Post by: Wipro on February 05, 2019, 02:43:46 PM
From PM

https://i.imgur.com/pJ6ZWXh.png

After this Lauda's report to Wipro for pure management looks much more realistic.

Then chat above with bubbalex is true.

This all to show how the DT take this charge and how lauda and the other culprit caring while sharing the red trust. NOW SHE IS THE BEST PERSON TO HAVE N NUMBER OF RED TRUST. I am not sure which DT will take charge on Lauda.


Title: Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof
Post by: Lauda on February 05, 2019, 03:01:57 PM
From PM
-snip-

After this Lauda's report to Wipro for pure management looks much more realistic.
What am I supposed to decipher out of this? Wipro claims that it's his client?


Title: Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof
Post by: TotSamiy on February 05, 2019, 03:03:58 PM
Wipro sent me 8 merits for this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105875.msg49578011#msg49578011) post. I don't understand why he did it.  ???


Title: Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof
Post by: bubbalex on February 05, 2019, 03:06:59 PM
Wipro sent me 8 merits for this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105875.msg49578011#msg49578011) post. I don't understand why he did it.  ???
I think as an apology for the inconvenience.

From PM
-snip-

After this Lauda's report to Wipro for pure management looks much more realistic.
What am I supposed to decipher out of this? Wipro claims that it's his client?
No, he answered that he made mistake, read second message.

https://i.imgur.com/Mj3Nk3B.png


Title: Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof
Post by: TotSamiy on February 05, 2019, 03:22:45 PM
Wipro admitted that he wrote his announcement by mistake, he deleted it, I also deleted my answer to his announcement, here is the archive - https://archive.is/KUUM6
He also admitted that I am not a member of his team, that even without this, is true, since I have my own bounty management team.
Thanks to Lauda for removing trust.