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The unelectric bitcoin society  ;)



The pursuit of sending the farthest possible Bitcoin transfer using no electricity

Generally one idea is to send a seed of a prefunded wallet without using electricity.
If anyone would like to join or participate, Post your ideas for unelectric bitcoin transfers , then do it post pics links or info in this thread.

Ideas could be using

light flashes
fire,
smoke,
Whats your  idea?

etc to get the furthest possible zero energy transfers of actual bitcoin directly between 2 people



credit goes to this dude :  https://twitter.com/DCLcoins/status/1095848786121887744?s=20

i don't think someone can receive his bitcoin without the use of electricity. it always is. maybe, i am missing something. let us wait what other people will say on this...

you can send it. and the next person can send it to someone else.

You would fund a wallet, then transfer the seed of the wallet via the longest possible non electric communication, like smoke signals across two line of sight high elevations


 the person receiving would

1 then send it to someone else using no electricity or

2 log in and transfer it to his own wallet or exchange

It's impossible.

You can send it, of course. Many users in Africa are sending coins offline.
The problem is that you can't confirm transaction without electricity, because you can't mine a block in that way.

It's not possible technically! Entire bitcoin network is powered by internet and to access internet, you need internet enabled device that runs on electricity. Also to confirm the transaction, a block has to be mined. That is not possible without electricity. So it's not technically possible.

The pursuit is not to say impossible, but to hack reality and make it possible.

 In fact a prefunded wallet seed can be sent and resent with no electricity.. use morse code, make your own code
This is the very  basis of the unelectric bitcoin society.


Instead of saying impossible, say...
 how else?..
what other ways can we send with no electricy?

You mean send private keys (seeds/WIF/QR) with balance in it, without using electricity?
Yes, that's possible, but you need to swipe it in your wallet apps ASAP. This operation needs electricity/battery and internet to function.

Why bother with this strange and extremely unsafe ideas? Just use cash!

Bitcoin is the internet of money.

Exactly my thoughts. Unlike cash and commodities which are physical, BTC is literally virtual so there's nothing you can grab from.

You still need electricity to facilitate electronic transfers.

OP must be smoking some good weed there.

Is stuff like this even necessary? I mean, these methods of information transmission have already been rendered obsolete by centuries of technological progress and we want to go back to them...why? There's also the fact that Bitcoin's white paper itself describes it as a "Peer-to-peer Electronic Cash System". It's meant to take advantage of electricity, worldwide connectivity, etc.

But yeah I'm pretty sure the cited tweet was being sarcastic lol.

If there is a prefunded bitcoin wallet then you only need to give a private key to the other person. Write it on a piece of paper and take a long walk, give it to the other person but they can't validate it without electricity

It's never zero energy, since the 2 people have to be alive, that means they consume energy.
However, let's stick to the idea.

Imho there's no way to do this without a 3rd entity. A 3rd entity both person 1 and 2 trust. (Any other option means that person 1 has a good chance to scam person 2).
And then it's no use to do this with Bitcoin. For offline use we have fiat, we have gold, silver, ... one can work for food, whatever.
So just leave Bitcoin do what it was designed for and what's doing best: online transactions. Leave Bitcoin stay online.

Probably not. But as a thought experiment, it could be quite entertaining.
Most obvious choice would be to use snail-mail right? But that's just boring, I guess OP wants something more extraordinary.
So how about music? I mean rhythms, big-ass bells, gongs or war drums?
Should do the trick, problem is that any bystander can hear this, using some sort of cipher would be required.
There is also pigeon mail...  ::) ridiculous but may work quite fast, although eagles or hawks may hunt your courier down  :'(
Nevertheless electricity will be mandatory at some point, no escape. Besides when we loose the electrical grid worldwide, bitcoins will be the last thing we would worry about.
And as my predecessor NeuroticFish said, there is also an issue with trust.

it is very pleasant if there is such a delivery, and I am very supportive of sending it as far as possible without electricity.

lol wut? are you saying you prefer a slow, difficult, long transfer process?
if that's the case fiat is a good option indeed. just need to swing your hands.

just having an idea that looks "Kool" is not enough unless you are just having fun and don't care about practicality of what you are suggesting. otherwise the idea first of all has to be secure. for example what we are seeing these days in the news sites copying news from each other is not safe at all because it is sending the private keys to someone else and it can be hacked in the rout to the receiver or the sender can still spend the coins since he would continue owning the key.

I don't think an Unelectric Bitcoin Society can exist, well, they can print small amount of BTC to paper and exchange, lol.

Anything can be made possible, and that needs some sort of relevance, I don't find anything here. From my knowledge this can be achieved within limited distance or through networking that functions on solar power. Apart from this through satellite it seems possible, but for the same also there is need for electricity when transmitting the signals and receiving the signals.

Let's not go full cavemen, ok?
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No and yes!  ;D

Btw, OP, any ideas on how to encrypt those smoke signals?

electricity is the driving force of the internet, which has been functioning as the main means, without electricity, it means no movement and that is very annoying

That same thing i had in mind why OP is asking about this when theres a separation of usage from Fiat to Cryptocurrency,it is more convenient to use cash when internet is not around and same as the cryptocurrency when the internet is available.why need to harden the situation when theres a more easy way

For me let bitcoin stays in online transactions and let fiat do the online so there is no complications

Yes I am too, the goal is not so much to hand or mail a paper key but to transmit it between two parties directly as far as possible using no electricity. It is the send receive portion that has to us no electricity to qualify.

IMO handing a paper wallet has a 0 distance factor and would not qualify. hmmm using binoculars to receive from a distance would but probably could be beat in distance by  more creative members of the unelectric bitcoin society

oh yah some big giant drums are perfect, even the rythm can help with decoding the seed, this is the best one yet!

You have made the grade poptok for your idea of sending bitcoin using acoustic drums

you are now graduated from prospect to official member of the Unelectric Bitcoin Society, Brilliant!

Bitcoin was a digital form of currency just like credit card where both are being used as electronic payment. Without the participation of the electricity bitcoin and credit card will be both useless. So I don't think there will be other way for it.

it's not possible in my opinion  ??? Bitcoin is Electricity stuff. until now Human can't even find solution for changing fuel oil or gas energy, only electricity that can be used. Fire, water, smoke, etc it just material to produce electricity. Need more than centurys to find that technology . maybe biogas can be a solution for saving energy purpose.

We have determined that sending bitcoin using no electricity is in fact completely possible,  the pursuit of the unelectic bitcoin society is to, in reality, send bitcoin the farthest possible distance using no electricity. Those who say impossible are incorrect and still can not wrap their mind around such a thing, those who have good ideas can join the society

Hooray!  ;D I'm a MUBTCS now, it's official  8)
For your information, I'm also a member of electric universe society (https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/about/syn/) but i think those two are not mutually exclusive titles ;)
I'll be wearing this palm with pride, Member of Unelectric BTC Society, ah sounds electrifying (pun intended).
Bonny and congenial topic, it's OK to have fun once in a while.   

But this is simply not possible !!! How do you want to transfer bitcoins without electricity and without using the network if you need access to the Internet and network operation?
Bitcoin is not radio waves and encrypted signals, everything you say is a fantasy.

Its totally possible to send and resend as many times as people would like at will without electricity. Its only when cashing out or transferring to a different wallet that any electricity needs to be used. So bitcoin may be utitlzed with no electricty and only cashed out by the one who logs in and therby consumes the unelectric bitcoin by using electricity.

Hopefully there will be some member of the Unelectric Bitcoin Society who will post details of real life unelectric bitcoin transfers in the future, pics? videos? anecdotes, all are welcome

Yep its all about having fun and pushing the boundaries of what is possible, although there may be some real world usage that comes from the society pursuit :)

got a cool link for a MUBS badge

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simplest would be to modify morse code for purpose

This idea is bad on so many levels. Like how would you ensure that nobody else sees your light or smoke signals. Morse code? It's also visible to everyone within range.
At some point this has to be placed in the blockchain to prevent double spending. How are you going to do that without electricity?
Why no electricity in the first place? You are using it every day to access the Internet why all of a sudden go against it being used to transfer money?

to push the limits of what is possible with bitcoin

you bring up an interesting point how to keep someone from seeing the seed who isnt supposed to? Well set up in a private location opsec?

If you go to the extent of setting it up in a remote location, why use smoke signals or morse code if you are both there? I mean if both parties are willing to travel to send coins why not just meet up and write it on a piece of paper? But then what would stop the sender from taking out his smartphone a minute after the exchange and sending coins to another address?
This is like choosing to walk to work in winter when you have a car because you want to push yourself. It won't do you any good because you will have to wake up earlier to make it and you will start your day tired after walking for an hour. Nobody will care and the rest of the world will keep driving. You'll only make it hard for yourself and achieve nothing.

speak for yourself. The pursuit of the furthest possible direct bitcoin transfer using no electricity is wholesome entertaining and very interesting.

That isn't really possible in any way, and why would even someone want to send Bitcoin without electricity? That just doesn't have a point, I mean it would be a nice experiment if it was possible in any way, but it isn't. Just send the Bitcoins normally as it is designed, it's not like we have shortage in electricity.

Well, using a carrot as a dildo it's really going to improve agricultural research and combat famine.

Same with this topic, not going to help BTC, the only thing is good at is revealing shitposters that have no clue what this is about, like the guy with the biogas 7 or 8 posts above.



You're spending too much energy (pun!) on a topic made for trolling.
Wioutht energy you will never be able to connect to any node and verify the balance in that address or wallet.
So...the whole thing is pointless.


 

Its exciting to be able to transfer bitcoin without using electricity, dont shit up this thread just because you dont get it ty