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Welcome to my thread. I think we have already got so many thread on forum which are relates to default trust selection system. I don't want to repeat those discussion again. Today i am going share some important information for our new users and IMO those will encourage them to play their role during DT selection.

What is default trusted (DT) member ?

Default trusted member specially works to keep the forum safer for its users. They are here to protect users from scammers, spammers and many more activities which are not accepted by forum community. They have got the power to take proper action against anyone who have committed fraudulent activities on forum.

What is DT1 ?

Which members are selected by voting system they get the place on DT1 list. To be a DT1 member you have to add 10 people on your custom trust list. Details will be shared bellow. You will find active DT1 members here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview).

What is DT2 ?

DT2 directly selected by DT1 members. Which members are in DT1 members custom trust list they called DT2 member. You can find active DT2 members here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dt).

What is the eligibility of voting ?

If any member got 10 earn merit he/she is completely eligible to submit vote. Every 10 earn merit opens 1 vote for you. That means if you have 20 earn merits you can vote 2 person for DT1 selection. As it will increase depending on your total earn merit. Another thing is that if you have 30 earn merit but you submit 5 vote in that situation algorithm will select your vote for only 3 person. It will be on algorithms hand and no one knows for whom your vote will be counted.

How to submit your vote ?

To submit your vote you have to click on your profile first and then you can follow this users instruction for successful voting. Please take a look here;


How the custom trust list works ?

By using custom trust list you can vote someone during DT selection. If you include anyone on your custom trust list than its clear that you have trust on his/her judgement and feedback. According to your trust list  his/her feedback will be shown to you by default even he is not in the DT list.

As same as as if you exclude anyone from your custom trust list that means you don't have trust on his/her judgement and feedback. By default his feedback will not be visible to you.
 
What is Depth ?

If you select depth 1 in your trust setting than you will only be able to see the rating of DT1 members only. Its need to know that whoever included by you in your custom trust list they are DT1 for you. If you select depth 2 than all rating of DT1 & DT2 will be visible by default to you. Whoever on your custom trust list and also who are in their custom trust list will be DT2 for you. Their feedback will also be visible to you by default. Same calculation for depth 3 & depth 4

Why should you vote on DT selection?

Forum has given the opportunity to select your mostly trusted person by submitting your vote. I believe you can select them which members judgement you trust. As a citizen of your country you select your favorite party on your countries governmental election. where i believe  its your responsibility to choose the right one for ruling the country. As same as here on DT selection you have your choice and responsibility too.

What is inclusion and exclusion ?

Inclusion is the way you add someone on your custom trust list as instructed above. On the other hand if you don't like anyones judgement than you can exclude him/her from your custom trust list. You just have to use this tilde (~) before that members name to exclude.


Do you have chance to be a DT1 member ?

Yes, you have the chance if you select by current voting system which already described above. To check the requirement you may visit here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095156.0).

Is it possible to be removed from DT list ?

Yes, That is the advantage of new DT system. DT1 members can remove anyone from DT instantly if he/she is corrupted. For example if Majority of the DT member exclude you than you will be removed from the DT list. Suppose you included by 3 DT1 member but 4 DT1 member exclude you than you will be removed from there.

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Finally I believe every responsible member of this forum should keep their role on DT selection. Its the only way how we can choose our best faces for the improvement of our forum.

AFAIK, only DT1 have the power to vote on removing DT who have done stupid stuff. Even if people wants to oust a certain DT member, their votes will not matter as long as majority of DT1 voted on the inclusion of the said DT member. 

Looks like on this thread: REMOVE LAUDA FROM DT (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5103988.0)

How do beginners know who to add? I've been here 4 years and I still barely know who to add.

Mind if I promote my Trust list viewer (http://loyce.club/trust)? It's a handy tool that makes it easy to compare other user's trust lists.

It's worth mentioning somewhere in your guide that by setting a custom trust list you are not just voting for DT1 members, but you are also choosing whose ratings you trust, and therefore altering which ratings you see under "Trusted Feedback" and every user's trust score.

Also worth mentioning that if you remove "Default Trust" from your trust list in favor of making an entirely customized list, all ratings from DT users will immediately become "untrusted" and their impact on user's scores will disappear. Similarly, if you set trust depth to 1, the same would happen to all DT2 user's ratings.

Thanks for suggest here to add some more info. Its a pleasure for me to have this kind of instruction. Yeah i am going to update my thread with those info soon.

I have a question I wanted to ask so instead of starting a thread permit me to ask it here. It concerns who to add on your custom list. Are they those you have traded with or those you think their judgement (feedbacks) is contributing positively to the forum or Both since each users on your custom list gets a vote from you if you meet the required criteria.

Let me make my question clear for example I have Coolcryptovator, ICOethics and others on my custom list but haven't traded with any of the users but I trusted them to see their feedbacks due to their pass record of scam busting. Also since I haven't made any trade on forum but the only thing I have done which is kind of close to trade is participating in paid signature campaign and got paid by  Hhampuz and he's also on my custom trust list due to I trust his feedbacks.

Now the questions is, looking at the two situations I described above which is more fit to be on my custom trust list? Is it those you have done trade with and their feedback are trusted by you or those you haven't traded with but from general view their feedback are accurate.

Both are fine.

However, you don't have to add/trust people just because you've trade $10 with them. I think a neutral tag is more appropriate for that kind of thing. Add them to your trust list or add positive trust to them if your trade involve a large amount of money, or have been doing business with them for a long time, or something similar. In its simplest sense, only add them or trust them if your transactions involve a lot of money (at least this is what I've understood from seeing this trust thing).

Your trust list should be a list of users whose judgement/feedback on others you think is accurate/you trust. Whether or not you have traded with these users doesn't matter.


Both. If you trust both Coolcryptovator and Hhampuz to leave accurate feedback and be a good judge of other users, then they both belong on your trust list, regardless of your personal trading history with them.

I think it doesn't matter too much mate that you traded with them or not. Here's you can give priority to their judgement first and then their past working history for the forum. You can find a lot of users here who don't provide escrow, collateral or any payment Service. Thats why you will not find a way to trade with them. It doesn't mean that they are not trusted.

I only place people in my custom trust list that I know would never make rash or reckless judgements. I don't care if I have been involved in a trade with them or not, but the fact, that I know I would get full satisfaction if I get into a trade with them, is enough reason for me to trust them other than that I trust their judgements. So it doesn't really matter if there is no financial trust between you and them, but the moral trust is enough.

@OP
Do 250 Merit vote also allocated in Random fashion? If you have added 15 people and having 250 plus earned merit then will it be random for 1 of 15 to get that vote?
Not following this DT topic now so now idea if Theymos added some more points after one week of inception.

You can check this mate, I think theymos already shared all particular plan for any kind of situation. He is still happy with his current system IMO.

Hello guys, the only reason behind my topic was to increase users role on our DT selection voting system. Personally I think DT selection is knocking at the door. I wish its your time to contribute on this selection system to choose the right person as a DT member for whole community. Still new DT list haven't been announced yet. You can update your trust list now for submiting your vote for the upcoming DT selection.

Well, this is a new system to have new DT members and replace old DT members especially the corrupt DT member and users can vote who they trust. What if you don't know anyone who is trusted by users here in the forum but the information you know about that person is through the feedback of the user who trusted that person?

Bump for newbies.

What do I need to vote? Need add to the trust list? Will any member be eligible to vote?
As a new member, it's hard to understand.

By adding people to your trust list, you are also voting for them to become DT1, in addition to moving their feedback to the "trusted" section for you. You can add as many or as few people as you like to your trust list. The only requirement to vote is to have earned some merit. For every 10 merit you have earned, you will gain 1 vote, meaning you have 1 vote at the moment since you have 16 earned merit. Your vote will automatically be given to the person on your trust list to whom it will be the most useful.

I would like to give you merit but already run out but this is probably one of the best thread I've read so far about the trust system, it's very comprehensive I will study its structure and vote right people be a DT1, people should be educated to only vote for the best person, we need this to fight scammers in Bitcointalk.

We should vote the right people for this kind of role because if we vote the wrong person then that person might abuse his/her role as one of the DT member which is not a good thing for the forum. Voting the right person to become a DT member is like doing your best for the forum.

A person you think about is not always is hidden behind the nickname, because of ability to sell accounts. I know that someone with a high trust rating is not interested in selling, but there are situations in life when you urgently need money and you have to sell everything that you can. So, you can somehow stumble upon a person whom you trusted before that's can be an another man.

Bumping this topic for newbies. Read this thread properly to learn how you can keep your role on default trust (DT) selection.

Rather than Newbies, shouldn’t the aim of the topic be for those that do not use a Custom Trust List instead (and are beyond Newbies by a mile)?

I mean Newbies (amongst others) are those that are precisely benefited by the existence of DT, which gives them a default starting point to view trust related to accounts. They probably will not have a saying in DT voting for some time, and should likely not set a Custom Trust List yet, at least until they suss out how it works, knowingly changing it once they are ready to replace the DT Trust views for that of their own Custom Trust List.

Users like me needs to learn how to use the DT voting system I guess. Newbies cannot use it yet but there's no harm in TalkStar's purpose in educating them about the system. At least they already have a better understanding once they are eligible to vote. 

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I just created mine a few minutes ago and I was wondering what's the purpose of having the "Default Trust" in our list? Is it really necessary?

No harm obviously. The purpose of my post is to underline that, informative as it may be, the main beneficiaries of the content in the OP are not really Newbies, but rather accounts that have been around for a bit and have potential interest in the DT inners and Custom Lists.

The idea of keeping the "DefaultTrust" entry on your Custom Trust List, is that you can expand upon it, keeping DT view on scores and rating lists, but adding other profile members you trust (thus potentially varying the resulting view to some degree). I personally do not have that entry in my list, but I do have some DT members.

Take into account that as soon as you create your own Custom Trust List things change: Trust scores may vary, and the feedback will likely shift from trusted to untrusted, or vice-versa. It’s often handy to postfix the URL with ";DT" (as shown in my post above) to get a DT view, enabling you to get a reading of the DT view as opposed to your Custom Trust List view.

I have just found this topic for the first time through this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5373192.msg58531766#msg58531766).

So bumping here for newbies and not so newbies ;)

Thanks for the bump.

Newbies should know properly what can be their role on default trust (DT) selection and hopefully they will get all necessary information from here.

I have read somewhere where a user sent a negative feedback or trust to a user just because he/she posted in another local board. There's nothing wrong posting in another right?. In my opinion, it is okay to post in another local board even though it is not your local board just as I have noticed some reputable forum member posted in our local board. I agree that newbies and other forum members should properly who they want to assign the role of being dt member.

I guess that it depends on what the rules are in each local board, but especially who you meet there. In the board I know best (Spanish) it is forbidden to post in English, and the abuse of google translate isn't a good idea neither. Anyway, I think we are quite flexible there and exceptions are permitted.

But it is true that I have posted a few times in foreign local boards myself (German, Russian...) to thank them for mentioning me in some other post or to add something to a certain topic I was interested in, and a few users raised this question -should he be banned?-. I'm afraid that still many people have the black or white kind of mentality that can get you in trouble when you least expect it, either reporting you or giving you bad trust.

The abuse, of course, should be punished; for example, writing a thread and posting it in 10 boards using google translate in order to gain activity/merits or to fulfil the signature campaign quota. So, I think that the clue is the proportionality of the punishment, which seems that not everybody understand.

If the facts are that the account simply posted in a given local board, presumably without a proper command of the language, then the negative trust is unwarranted. Unless the trust feedback is commerce related in nature (and here scams have a fitting), it should not be handed out.

If the account is simply posting content that is irritating to the eye due to the language expression being poor (or something along those lines), it can be reported for something like "low value content due to it being incomprehensible", but on its own, it does not call for a negative rating, however unpleasant the reading should turn out to be.

That's what I was thinking. If they read the post in poor grammar or of low quality then it should be reported and wait to be deleted instead of sendin a negative trust or feedback to the user like fake polish or whatever local board a forum user posted. I may not be multi lingual but I skimmed some local boards like Russia, Italian and other boards and translate it to English then that's how I found a forum user posting in Italian local board but I haven't been able to translate it but my guess is that he/she is not an Italian according to the feedback where that forum member used a translator that is not accurate. What if that forum member is a DT and the sent feedback will make his/her account - 1 trust score?. Wouldn't be that an abuse of power?.

Given the context of the hypothesis at hand (that the issue is only language related), it’s a misuse if the system, as it is not commerce related. It would be so from any forum member, but as we know, DT is the view seen by over 99% of forum members, and thus DT ratings do have more impact than non-DT ratings. Since DT-ratings do have that bit of additional significance to them, they kind of call for a more pondered feedback rating. This is kind of a conceptual reference:  theymos could you sticky your intent on the reputation board (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5221908.msg53741011#msg53741011).

Bumping this topic for newbies.

I'm sure the point of this thread won't just be telling newbies why they should get involved in voting for DT member elections. I'm pretty sure there are thousands of forum members who don't care about this system because they are not used to working with the system introduced in the forum. I can probably say that over 70% of bounty participants don't really care about this system and they probably don't have a single name they trust. Well, it doesn't really matter but actually this system also has something useful to have in this forum.

Even though I don't have anyone on my trust list right now, that doesn't mean I don't trust anyone here. I just cared less about this system before (same as thousands of people I mentioned) but now I have a few names that deserve to be on my special trust list, this will help because I think I also have the right to use my voice.