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Title: The Hotmine Convector-Miner. Development on the Clarke ASIC chips
Post by: selo on February 22, 2019, 04:46:16 PM
The convector-miner - now you can also make bitcoins while heating apartment  ;)

Hotmine Company Announced the Convention-Miner on the december, 2018 - a silent household heater on high-performance 57 J \ Th chips (Clarks).

"Miners with the Beneficial Use of Waste Heat will make possible to keep mining profitable at home", - said Oles Slobodenyuk, Hotmine CEO.

Press release on medium: https://medium.com/@hotmine.io/hotmine-will-launch-a-convector-that-brings-profit-620df86c749d

The main feature is the using only passive elements, which allows the miner to be used as a silent household convector.

Estimated project characteristics:
- Power consumption of the device in 550-900 Watts / hour
- Productivity - 8 - 11 Th / s
- Connect to the Internet via Wi-Fi
- Simple control panel and indicators
- Easy setup and device connection
- Simple and minimal design.

You do not need to have specific skills to control the income and work of the miner.
The device will automatically connect to a WI-FI network and will be controlled using a mobile application.

Current stage of the project:
1. New design of the board with 57 J/Th chips developed. Also 57 J \ Th chips has been tested on the max performace by our ingineers.
2. The design of the sample heater case has been developed.
3. Heating elements are produced - radiators.
4. Picked up all the hardware.
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...The further development process is covered in this thread
⇈⇈⇈⇈⇈⇈⇈⇈  ✅✅✅✅✅✅✅✅✅✅✅✅✅✅✅  ⇈⇈⇈⇈⇈⇈⇈⇈⇈

The most important thing - Miner heater will be completely silent.

Friends, we are interested in your thoughts about the project, as well as questions!

Let's get acquainted with Hotmine: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5114987.msg49947111#msg49947111


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: fanatic26_ on February 22, 2019, 05:39:46 PM
This is not really a new idea, russian companies have been making something similar to this for a couple years now


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: selo on February 22, 2019, 05:45:56 PM
This is not really a new idea, russian companies have been making something similar to this for a couple years now

Do you have links on the working product? Because currently we one step away from a working prototype


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: fanatic26_ on February 22, 2019, 06:45:02 PM
Here is a press release from Canaan Creative where they announced their heater based miner a few months back....

http://www.minerhome.com/avalon-release-30t-7nm-bitcoin-miner-and-two-mining-household-appliances/

Heres a heater based on GPU altcoin mining....

https://www.qarnot.com/crypto-heater_qc1/

Heres another crypto altcoin heater....

https://bitsonline.com/russian-heater-mines-ethereum/


I know there are more out there, these were found with a 20 second google search.



Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: selo on February 27, 2019, 04:16:59 PM
Here is a press release from Canaan Creative where they announced their heater based miner a few months back....

http://www.minerhome.com/avalon-release-30t-7nm-bitcoin-miner-and-two-mining-household-appliances/

Heres a heater based on GPU altcoin mining....

https://www.qarnot.com/crypto-heater_qc1/

Heres another crypto altcoin heater....

https://bitsonline.com/russian-heater-mines-ethereum/

I know there are more out there, these were found with a 20 second google search.



Thanks! The only difference is that this convector miner generate earnings by bitcoin mining :) Bitcoin only!  ;D


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: selo on February 27, 2019, 04:19:56 PM
Today we received new radiators specifically designed for the convector:
https://i109.fastpic.ru/big/2019/0227/fc/e134bdffa59423aec2c5eeca8e3191fc.jpg


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: Theb on February 27, 2019, 07:04:28 PM
Why is this website (http://smartheat.io/en/b2c-for-consumers/) have the same product picture to yours as well? I won't be tagging you as of the moment as the smart.io website is still pretty new and I don't know who's who and his pic seems to have the original size. But you need to provide more pictures of the same mining equipment for me to believe you along with a paper sign saying "Hotmine Company" or your product's name. If you don't respond to my request I'll turn my tag red in the coming days.

Thread where you posted the same picture (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5114987.0)
Archived (http://archive.is/cfgVh)


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: selo on February 28, 2019, 09:26:00 AM
Why is this website (http://smartheat.io/en/b2c-for-consumers/) have the same product picture to yours as well? I won't be tagging you as of the moment as the smart.io website is still pretty new and I don't know who's who and his pic seems to have the original size. But you need to provide more pictures of the same mining equipment for me to believe you along with a paper sign saying "Hotmine Company" or your product's name. If you don't respond to my request I'll turn my tag red in the coming days.

Thread where you posted the same picture (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5114987.0)
Archived (http://archive.is/cfgVh)


An interesting find! We are developers and equipment manufacturers. Smarheat is one of our many partners and distributors for our products. In 2016, they received from us, as from manufacturers, the right to distribute our products for one year, until 2017, but then we stopped working with them. In the picture that you sent above this is the first version of the server, also we have 2nd and 3rd version. Also in partnership with smartheat, they made for us only case for the 3rd version of heater (2016), but we did all the R&D for first one (2013) and the second (2014).

In the branch with the history of Hotmine (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5114987.msg49947111#msg49947111) there will be two more versions, have patience :)

To confirm, here is a video from our CEO on the Hotmine youtube channel, which shows the process of developing in slideshow:
https://youtu.be/hS5_Rxk2W04 (https://youtu.be/hS5_Rxk2W04)

Also video from our old youtube channel with some parts of 2013 mining equipment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brDvV50WhZE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brDvV50WhZE)

As well as photos that correspond to the videos :)
Cooling tube:
https://i110.fastpic.ru/big/2019/0228/90/8d4cb8b5d4cdad7435ddcdddfb668390.jpg

Paper board prototype:
https://i110.fastpic.ru/big/2019/0228/f1/dfd83d3a16c2de4265c4e28875b9b0f1.jpg

Module:
https://i109.fastpic.ru/big/2019/0228/a8/33f1290e661142d27b5f809b65b29da8.jpg

Original picture with our watermark and few servers in work:
https://i109.fastpic.ru/big/2019/0301/9b/a90ae81df6cbb4ad2ca2829667d5db9b.jpg
https://i109.fastpic.ru/big/2019/0228/c2/34662c22d01419635691d112f4033ec2.jpg


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: Theb on February 28, 2019, 05:38:04 PM
~snip

An interesting find! We are developers and equipment manufacturers. Smarheat is one of our many partners and distributors for our products. In 2016, they received from us, as from manufacturers, the right to distribute our products for one year, until 2017, but then we stopped working with them. In the picture that you sent above this is the first version of the server, also we have 2nd and 3rd version. Also in partnership with smartheat, they made for us only case for the 3rd version of heater (2016), but we did all the R&D for first one (2013) and the second (2014).
This does not explain why smartheat.io have the same product picture as you do. If the picture above was the first version then why is smartheat.io using it and not their actual products you have sold to them? Things really don't add up as Smartheat is also a russian manufacuturer and distributor which earlier you have claimed in your other posts that you haven't heard about heat convection miners in Russia.

In the branch with the history of Hotmine (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5114987.msg49947111#msg49947111) there will be two more versions, have patience :)

To confirm, here is a video from our CEO on the Hotmine youtube channel, which shows the process of developing in slideshow:
https://youtu.be/hS5_Rxk2W04 (https://youtu.be/hS5_Rxk2W04)

Also video from our old youtube channel with some parts of 2013 mining equipment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brDvV50WhZE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brDvV50WhZE)
You really think that a screen recorded video of a cellphone scrolling into some mining equipment is a convincing evidence for me? Well for me it isn't enough you already have undergone the trouble of uploading the Youtube video just right now but you didn't do the request that I asked for which is putting the company name in your "first version" of the mining equipment which both you and smartheat is using.


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: Rabinovitch on March 01, 2019, 08:12:15 AM
This is not really a new idea, russian companies have been making something similar to this for a couple years now

Moreover, apparently this is the same company ...

https://hotmine.io/en/catalog/heaters (https://hotmine.io/en/catalog/heaters)

This is not really a new idea, russian companies have been making something similar to this for a couple years now

Do you have links on the working product? Because currently we one step away from a working prototype

Yep, just take a look at my link posted above.  :-\


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: selo on March 01, 2019, 06:56:00 PM
~snip

An interesting find! We are developers and equipment manufacturers. Smarheat is one of our many partners and distributors for our products. In 2016, they received from us, as from manufacturers, the right to distribute our products for one year, until 2017, but then we stopped working with them. In the picture that you sent above this is the first version of the server, also we have 2nd and 3rd version. Also in partnership with smartheat, they made for us only case for the 3rd version of heater (2016), but we did all the R&D for first one (2013) and the second (2014).
This does not explain why smartheat.io have the same product picture as you do. If the picture above was the first version then why is smartheat.io using it and not their actual products you have sold to them? Things really don't add up as Smartheat is also a russian manufacuturer and distributor which earlier you have claimed in your other posts that you haven't heard about heat convection miners in Russia.

In the branch with the history of Hotmine (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5114987.msg49947111#msg49947111) there will be two more versions, have patience :)

To confirm, here is a video from our CEO on the Hotmine youtube channel, which shows the process of developing in slideshow:
https://youtu.be/hS5_Rxk2W04 (https://youtu.be/hS5_Rxk2W04)

Also video from our old youtube channel with some parts of 2013 mining equipment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brDvV50WhZE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brDvV50WhZE)
You really think that a screen recorded video of a cellphone scrolling into some mining equipment is a convincing evidence for me? Well for me it isn't enough you already have undergone the trouble of uploading the Youtube video just right now but you didn't do the request that I asked for which is putting the company name in your "first version" of the mining equipment which both you and smartheat is using.

I have find the original photo, added watermark and updated post above. I think it will be better. Thanks for the experience, we will do better posts.

What do you want from me?)
1) prove that selo account is authorized to communicate on behalf of hotmine?
2) prove that the hotmine is a developer of mining equipment with a useful heat application?
3) for what reason photos of the equipment from the object on two sites?

Answers
1) selo is the opposite of Oles name - CEO - hotmine
   We can also post this story on hotmine.io within 3 days in the blog section if you need proof.

2) the video that you provided shows a photo album showing the process of creation (engineering thought of the first miner heater).
    This proves that we are developers. This is the fastest way that we find.
    If you want, fly to us and we will introduce you to the team.
    And who are you?

3) This is our photo. Photos from the object. We have provided our partners for placement on the site. Please note that this equipment was relevant in 2013 - 2015.
   Now other equipment is relevant. Exactly for this we began to lead a new branch.


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: Patatas on March 01, 2019, 07:55:57 PM
Okay, I don't understand the fuss going on above but this is the first time I've come across this product and would like to criticize it.
 - The product takes additional space in the room, kinda not suitable for small apartments I guess? Or does your product comes with a heater which will replace our original heater?

 - The electricity costs will bounce off much higher after installing that one right?
 - Since you will be making 'money' off it, wouldn't you have to pay commercial electricity charges?


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: stomachgrowls on March 01, 2019, 08:06:54 PM
~snip

An interesting find! We are developers and equipment manufacturers. Smarheat is one of our many partners and distributors for our products. In 2016, they received from us, as from manufacturers, the right to distribute our products for one year, until 2017, but then we stopped working with them. In the picture that you sent above this is the first version of the server, also we have 2nd and 3rd version. Also in partnership with smartheat, they made for us only case for the 3rd version of heater (2016), but we did all the R&D for first one (2013) and the second (2014).
This does not explain why smartheat.io have the same product picture as you do. If the picture above was the first version then why is smartheat.io using it and not their actual products you have sold to them? Things really don't add up as Smartheat is also a russian manufacuturer and distributor which earlier you have claimed in your other posts that you haven't heard about heat convection miners in Russia.
Same assumptions if smartheat is one of their partners or distributor and even tell that they do have lots of partners i cant even see another same product when trying to search out its only smartheat which
i do presume that they do just dragged out that picture and the original seller is smartheat itself.What you think? ;D
In the branch with the history of Hotmine (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5114987.msg49947111#msg49947111) there will be two more versions, have patience :)

To confirm, here is a video from our CEO on the Hotmine youtube channel, which shows the process of developing in slideshow:
https://youtu.be/hS5_Rxk2W04 (https://youtu.be/hS5_Rxk2W04)

Also video from our old youtube channel with some parts of 2013 mining equipment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brDvV50WhZE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brDvV50WhZE)
You really think that a screen recorded video of a cellphone scrolling into some mining equipment is a convincing evidence for me? Well for me it isn't enough you already have undergone the trouble of uploading the Youtube video just right now but you didn't do the request that I asked for which is putting the company name in your "first version" of the mining equipment which both you and smartheat is using.
Present video with those mining equipment together with those convector with company name will do but i doubt he wont able to grant that request.


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: selo on March 02, 2019, 07:37:25 AM
Okay, I don't understand the fuss going on above but this is the first time I've come across this product and would like to criticize it.
 - The product takes additional space in the room, kinda not suitable for small apartments I guess? Or does your product comes with a heater which will replace our original heater?

 - The electricity costs will bounce off much higher after installing that one right?
 - Since you will be making 'money' off it, wouldn't you have to pay commercial electricity charges?

Finally, questions about the heater :)

- Yes, it is suitable for small apartments. You can hang on the wall or put on the floor. Last approved size 1200x400 (mm) or 47,2x15,7(inch). Here is last drawing:
https://i109.fastpic.ru/big/2019/0301/81/58d54925fb55d5bb39e57a1782de7f81.jpg

The first finished demo model expected in mid-April. From the first model we will develop further.

- in maximum mode will be approximately 900W - 11 TH/s; the most effective mode of operation is 550W - 9 TH/s;
operating mode 600W - 8 TH/s; consumption indicated by 220V ("from the outlet")

The mode will depend on the air temperature in the room - the lower the temperature - the more power consumption and more performance in TH, but worse efficiency. So we will float within these limits: 550-900W 8-11TH/s. These data were obtained when testing new chips and a new board that was specifically designed for the convector.

- So you will heat your appartment and make btc! At a cost of electricity of $ 0.05 per KWh, convector would mine 0.01btc / month or it is about $ 16.00 / month for today (in the operating mode 600W - 8 TH/s;). Not only free heat, but also bitcoins. Prices may vary depending on the cost of electricity.


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: selo on March 02, 2019, 09:13:49 AM
~snip

An interesting find! We are developers and equipment manufacturers. Smarheat is one of our many partners and distributors for our products. In 2016, they received from us, as from manufacturers, the right to distribute our products for one year, until 2017, but then we stopped working with them. In the picture that you sent above this is the first version of the server, also we have 2nd and 3rd version. Also in partnership with smartheat, they made for us only case for the 3rd version of heater (2016), but we did all the R&D for first one (2013) and the second (2014).
This does not explain why smartheat.io have the same product picture as you do. If the picture above was the first version then why is smartheat.io using it and not their actual products you have sold to them? Things really don't add up as Smartheat is also a russian manufacuturer and distributor which earlier you have claimed in your other posts that you haven't heard about heat convection miners in Russia.
Same assumptions if smartheat is one of their partners or distributor and even tell that they do have lots of partners i cant even see another same product when trying to search out its only smartheat which
i do presume that they do just dragged out that picture and the original seller is smartheat itself.What you think? ;D
In the branch with the history of Hotmine (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5114987.msg49947111#msg49947111) there will be two more versions, have patience :)

To confirm, here is a video from our CEO on the Hotmine youtube channel, which shows the process of developing in slideshow:
https://youtu.be/hS5_Rxk2W04 (https://youtu.be/hS5_Rxk2W04)

Also video from our old youtube channel with some parts of 2013 mining equipment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brDvV50WhZE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brDvV50WhZE)
You really think that a screen recorded video of a cellphone scrolling into some mining equipment is a convincing evidence for me? Well for me it isn't enough you already have undergone the trouble of uploading the Youtube video just right now but you didn't do the request that I asked for which is putting the company name in your "first version" of the mining equipment which both you and smartheat is using.
Present video with those mining equipment together with those convector with company name will do but i doubt he wont able to grant that request.

Dudes, Hotmine - ukrainian developers and manufacturers. Yes, we had many partners, but it was in the past, we would like to talk about the present in this thread. And those old samples were on chips that have long been ineffective. Now they are no longer physically present, they are disassembled, the story remains) I repeat, in this thread we would like to have a conversation about a new development, and the old story was specially brought to the second branch:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5114987.msg49947111#msg49947111

Be patient  ;D Thanks for trying to expose, it's even fun)


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: Theb on March 02, 2019, 10:26:59 AM
~snip

An interesting find! We are developers and equipment manufacturers. Smarheat is one of our many partners and distributors for our products. In 2016, they received from us, as from manufacturers, the right to distribute our products for one year, until 2017, but then we stopped working with them. In the picture that you sent above this is the first version of the server, also we have 2nd and 3rd version. Also in partnership with smartheat, they made for us only case for the 3rd version of heater (2016), but we did all the R&D for first one (2013) and the second (2014).
This does not explain why smartheat.io have the same product picture as you do. If the picture above was the first version then why is smartheat.io using it and not their actual products you have sold to them? Things really don't add up as Smartheat is also a russian manufacuturer and distributor which earlier you have claimed in your other posts that you haven't heard about heat convection miners in Russia.
Same assumptions if smartheat is one of their partners or distributor and even tell that they do have lots of partners i cant even see another same product when trying to search out its only smartheat which
i do presume that they do just dragged out that picture and the original seller is smartheat itself.What you think? ;D
At this point I wouldn't assume on who's product belongs to who but so far they are not complying to what I asked for which was a really easy task all they have provided is just a screen recorded mobile phone scrolling to a bunch of mining equipment which at any point does not connect them in anyway being the owners of the mining equipment. Don't you think that there is a possibility that these people, Hotmine, just stumbled a bunch of mining equipment from a unknown manufacturer and started taking pictures and claim that its theirs.

With their latest posts in their other thread they just watermarked the old photos I am talking about which does not prove anything about them being the owners of the mining equipment. Again they already gone the trouble of creating a Youtube video and even watermarking their existing pictures then why can't they provide a written company name tag on their alleged mining equipment and take a picture of it?


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: selo on March 02, 2019, 05:48:49 PM
~snip

An interesting find! We are developers and equipment manufacturers. Smarheat is one of our many partners and distributors for our products. In 2016, they received from us, as from manufacturers, the right to distribute our products for one year, until 2017, but then we stopped working with them. In the picture that you sent above this is the first version of the server, also we have 2nd and 3rd version. Also in partnership with smartheat, they made for us only case for the 3rd version of heater (2016), but we did all the R&D for first one (2013) and the second (2014).
This does not explain why smartheat.io have the same product picture as you do. If the picture above was the first version then why is smartheat.io using it and not their actual products you have sold to them? Things really don't add up as Smartheat is also a russian manufacuturer and distributor which earlier you have claimed in your other posts that you haven't heard about heat convection miners in Russia.
Same assumptions if smartheat is one of their partners or distributor and even tell that they do have lots of partners i cant even see another same product when trying to search out its only smartheat which
i do presume that they do just dragged out that picture and the original seller is smartheat itself.What you think? ;D
At this point I wouldn't assume on who's product belongs to who but so far they are not complying to what I asked for which was a really easy task all they have provided is just a screen recorded mobile phone scrolling to a bunch of mining equipment which at any point does not connect them in anyway being the owners of the mining equipment. Don't you think that there is a possibility that these people, Hotmine, just stumbled a bunch of mining equipment from a unknown manufacturer and started taking pictures and claim that its theirs.

With their latest posts in their other thread they just watermarked the old photos I am talking about which does not prove anything about them being the owners of the mining equipment. Again they already gone the trouble of creating a Youtube video and even watermarking their existing pictures then why can't they provide a written company name tag on their alleged mining equipment and take a picture of it?

Okay, dudes. We still have the remains of these old miners at the plant. One of these days we take a picture with a sign and send you) But this makes little sense. Here, in Ukraine, the conditions of production may differ from what you are used to. This may be similar to the garage conditions for the production of the first computers. You will not understand this until you see for yourself)) Fly to our production - we will give you a tour

And before writing on this topic. This story is similar if I asked you: "Show me now that you have some bitcoins and prove that they belong to you in real life"  ;D


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: selo on March 04, 2019, 08:46:47 AM
We use the Raspik computer in convector development (Raspberry Pi 3, green in the photo), which provides the output of the convector to the network via wifi, as well as the control board - it connects all the boards that make the calculations. But these are just a few of their main functions. Want to know more, ask questions :)

https://i109.fastpic.ru/big/2019/0304/ca/b5b05d9cc6f07ce51c7b14ac99964aca.jpg

We also worked on a convenient indication of the device operation states. And in the end of the week there will be a demonstration of the work of indicator lights.

https://i109.fastpic.ru/big/2019/0304/25/40491b6b76bd483aa7c343a8c1aad625.jpg

Then we will build it into the body of the convector, which is now in production.


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: CoinEraser on March 04, 2019, 11:08:42 AM
I like the idea itself quite well, because I have already thought about something like this. Since I can only heat my apartment with electricity, I also thought about such a solution. Unfortunately, I didn't go on with the idea, but it was nice to see that other people really put it into practice. I wonder if such a system is really enough to heat my whole apartment with it and what about the noise nuisance? Is such a mining-heating very loud?  :)


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: selo on March 04, 2019, 03:25:43 PM
I like the idea itself quite well, because I have already thought about something like this. Since I can only heat my apartment with electricity, I also thought about such a solution. Unfortunately, I didn't go on with the idea, but it was nice to see that other people really put it into practice. I wonder if such a system is really enough to heat my whole apartment with it and what about the noise nuisance? Is such a mining-heating very loud?  :)

Well, look. Previously, in miners, power supply units and coolers for heat dissipation were noisy, they were active, with fans. There was a double noise. But in this development there will be a power supply with passive cooling, as well as specially designed radiators, which also passively remove heat from the chips, that make calculations, through the upper openings of the convector. So, it will be completely noiseless :)


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: CoinEraser on March 05, 2019, 03:28:16 PM
I like the idea itself quite well, because I have already thought about something like this. Since I can only heat my apartment with electricity, I also thought about such a solution. Unfortunately, I didn't go on with the idea, but it was nice to see that other people really put it into practice. I wonder if such a system is really enough to heat my whole apartment with it and what about the noise nuisance? Is such a mining-heating very loud?  :)

Well, look. Previously, in miners, power supply units and coolers for heat dissipation were noisy, they were active, with fans. There was a double noise. But in this development there will be a power supply with passive cooling, as well as specially designed radiators, which also passively remove heat from the chips, that make calculations, through the upper openings of the convector. So, it will be completely noiseless :)

Ah, now I get it. Thank you for the explanation. That's of course a great idea and noiseless is of course great too. Without the noises, the project becomes even more interesting. I will definitely keep an eye on your project, because i am very interested in it.  :)


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: smyslov on March 05, 2019, 11:08:46 PM
This is a wonderful idea for people living in a cold climate especially in Iceland but not here in my country a tropical country, they have done the right making this product because this is going to be in demand when the top currency price get up and people wants an alternative to their heating equipment.


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: selo on March 06, 2019, 02:25:58 PM
I like the idea itself quite well, because I have already thought about something like this. Since I can only heat my apartment with electricity, I also thought about such a solution. Unfortunately, I didn't go on with the idea, but it was nice to see that other people really put it into practice. I wonder if such a system is really enough to heat my whole apartment with it and what about the noise nuisance? Is such a mining-heating very loud?  :)

Well, look. Previously, in miners, power supply units and coolers for heat dissipation were noisy, they were active, with fans. There was a double noise. But in this development there will be a power supply with passive cooling, as well as specially designed radiators, which also passively remove heat from the chips, that make calculations, through the upper openings of the convector. So, it will be completely noiseless :)

Ah, now I get it. Thank you for the explanation. That's of course a great idea and noiseless is of course great too. Without the noises, the project becomes even more interesting. I will definitely keep an eye on your project, because i am very interested in it.  :)

Thanx! :)

This is a wonderful idea for people living in a cold climate especially in Iceland but not here in my country a tropical country, they have done the right making this product because this is going to be in demand when the top currency price get up and people wants an alternative to their heating equipment.

Exactly! Where the temperature drops to 20 degrees Celsius and below, the convector miner is useful there.


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: selo on March 06, 2019, 04:40:47 PM
Today we received and assembled the first demonstration case without painting. 120cm width, 10cm thickness, 45cm height. If standing on legs - height 50 cm  :o
https://i110.fastpic.ru/big/2019/0306/40/e66c3e8c328361dc731802739d88e940.jpg



Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: selo on March 07, 2019, 07:18:49 PM
~snip

An interesting find! We are developers and equipment manufacturers. Smarheat is one of our many partners and distributors for our products. In 2016, they received from us, as from manufacturers, the right to distribute our products for one year, until 2017, but then we stopped working with them. In the picture that you sent above this is the first version of the server, also we have 2nd and 3rd version. Also in partnership with smartheat, they made for us only case for the 3rd version of heater (2016), but we did all the R&D for first one (2013) and the second (2014).
This does not explain why smartheat.io have the same product picture as you do. If the picture above was the first version then why is smartheat.io using it and not their actual products you have sold to them? Things really don't add up as Smartheat is also a russian manufacuturer and distributor which earlier you have claimed in your other posts that you haven't heard about heat convection miners in Russia.
Same assumptions if smartheat is one of their partners or distributor and even tell that they do have lots of partners i cant even see another same product when trying to search out its only smartheat which
i do presume that they do just dragged out that picture and the original seller is smartheat itself.What you think? ;D
At this point I wouldn't assume on who's product belongs to who but so far they are not complying to what I asked for which was a really easy task all they have provided is just a screen recorded mobile phone scrolling to a bunch of mining equipment which at any point does not connect them in anyway being the owners of the mining equipment. Don't you think that there is a possibility that these people, Hotmine, just stumbled a bunch of mining equipment from a unknown manufacturer and started taking pictures and claim that its theirs.

With their latest posts in their other thread they just watermarked the old photos I am talking about which does not prove anything about them being the owners of the mining equipment. Again they already gone the trouble of creating a Youtube video and even watermarking their existing pictures then why can't they provide a written company name tag on their alleged mining equipment and take a picture of it?

Here is the promised photo of the rest of the server version one that lies in our warehouse. There is no marking on it, so providing you a printed company logo on old peaces of mining equipment:
https://i110.fastpic.ru/big/2019/0307/0d/8d1b9b725060f737e65a45654d20ad0d.jpg
https://i109.fastpic.ru/thumb/2019/0307/c7/_13170a3dd314f6a47b5f7dcd34fa2bc7.jpeg (https://fastpic.ru/view/109/2019/0307/_13170a3dd314f6a47b5f7dcd34fa2bc7.jpg.html)

In addition to an entire album of photos of the development process, you would not believe on video and photos earlier, it's proof that we are the manufacturers of the equipment.


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: selo on March 07, 2019, 07:28:42 PM
Today we had a demonstration of the work status indication. It remains a bit - to bring the LEDs on the convector panel :)

https://i.imgur.com/85kjng1.gif


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: HagssFIN on March 13, 2019, 07:21:56 PM
Wow,
Very cool to find this thread!

This could be a great replacement for guys who have a Antminer R4.

And a great device for heating instead of a normal electric conventional heater.

Would there be any chance to have a demo and write a review?

I have done it in the past with the Hotmine X5 upg. kit and Hotmine X6 miner.


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: selo on March 15, 2019, 02:46:15 PM
Today we got the convector's body from painting. We installed radiators, power supplies, hardware, we are waiting for only the boards based on Clarke chips from production:

https://i110.fastpic.ru/thumb/2019/0315/ae/_7d44e2fa26822cfc6f512f1952f6b4ae.jpeg (https://fastpic.ru/view/110/2019/0315/_7d44e2fa26822cfc6f512f1952f6b4ae.jpg.html)



Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: aioc on March 16, 2019, 12:02:33 PM
Today we got the convector's body from painting. We installed radiators, power supplies, hardware, we are waiting for only the boards based on Clark chips from production:

https://i110.fastpic.ru/thumb/2019/0315/ae/_7d44e2fa26822cfc6f512f1952f6b4ae.jpeg (https://fastpic.ru/view/110/2019/0315/_7d44e2fa26822cfc6f512f1952f6b4ae.jpg.html)



This is going to replace antminer because this technology is the double purpose, you are not buying this device or machine to mine Bitcoin but to experience the benefit of heating your apartment, and this is going to be a big threat for antminers,.


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: selo on March 18, 2019, 07:50:02 AM
Today we got the convector's body from painting. We installed radiators, power supplies, hardware, we are waiting for only the boards based on Clark chips from production:

https://i110.fastpic.ru/thumb/2019/0315/ae/_7d44e2fa26822cfc6f512f1952f6b4ae.jpeg (https://fastpic.ru/view/110/2019/0315/_7d44e2fa26822cfc6f512f1952f6b4ae.jpg.html)



This is going to replace antminer because this technology is the double purpose, you are not buying this device or machine to mine Bitcoin but to experience the benefit of heating your apartment, and this is going to be a big threat for antminers,.
Wow,
Very cool to find this thread!

This could be a great replacement for guys who have a Antminer R4.

And a great device for heating instead of a normal electric conventional heater.

Would there be any chance to have a demo and write a review?

I have done it in the past with the Hotmine X5 upg. kit and Hotmine X6 miner.


Thanx for supporting us! We will be in touch with you :)


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: selo on March 18, 2019, 05:27:53 PM
Hello, dear visitors to this page.

In the production process, an idea came to make a mini-convector based on a single module. So it will be interesting to people who have $400 instead of $ 1,800.

Let me remind you that the convector consists of 5 modules, each with Clarke 33 chips. The retail cost of the convector will be around $1,800.

What do you think?

https://i110.fastpic.ru/big/2019/0318/e2/fa6b8cbce8c67fe548b95a94b83ca3e2.jpg


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: selo on March 20, 2019, 03:33:01 PM
Hi there!  :)

Yesterday we connected a mini-computer and a control board to a board with chips of previous development - U6. We did this in order to test the operating states of the indicator lights in a running mining process. ::) New boards based on Clarke chips are in production, but will come to us in a month at best.

Also yesterday we tested the control board of the miner, where the settings take place, and also the states of the convector miner is displayed.

The photo shows a translucent white window, under it will be lights. Also we embedded a power button:
https://i109.fastpic.ru/big/2019/0320/c9/14dcb1d8a60ebef830e6981c6547c3c9.jpg

Control panel:
https://i109.fastpic.ru/big/2019/0320/8b/994284b035d4407bf24b8fd2a42cf78b.jpg

Convector's working conditions, on the left blue lights on the video: https://youtu.be/nLWmbqwKE94
The next step is to connect all the led's on the one board. And it will remain to build led's under a translucent window.


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: HagssFIN on March 20, 2019, 03:46:37 PM
Nice progress,
the designs are looking neat. :)


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: selo on March 21, 2019, 09:29:00 AM
Hello, dear visitors to this page.

In the production process, an idea came to make a mini-convector based on a single module. So it will be interesting to people who have $400 instead of $ 1,800.

Let me remind you that the convector consists of 5 modules, each with Clarke 33 chips. The retail cost of the convector will be around $1,800.

What do you think?

https://i110.fastpic.ru/big/2019/0318/e2/fa6b8cbce8c67fe548b95a94b83ca3e2.jpg

Do you think it is better to transfer this branch to the "hardware/mining" board? Will it increase the views or is it better to leave as it is in "project development" board?


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: HagssFIN on March 21, 2019, 09:37:19 AM
I will ask about this from a hardware subforum moderator.

I think that this subject fits quite well to the hardware subforum
and should be very interesting for people visiting there. :)


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: selo on March 26, 2019, 05:35:23 PM
The plant has already made boards, waiting for delivery  ;)

https://i109.fastpic.ru/big/2019/0326/f7/80bffa198798fa0f67aa3dfea53badf7.jpg
https://i110.fastpic.ru/big/2019/0326/c6/4b84f8fd13f126332c287931f44343c6.jpg


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: HagssFIN on March 26, 2019, 05:54:19 PM
Looking good..!

I like the looks of your pcb design. :)


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: selo on March 26, 2019, 06:05:02 PM
Looking good..!

I like the looks of your pcb design. :)

Thank you! Praise to our engineers :)


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: selo on April 02, 2019, 08:09:40 AM
Hi everyone! :) Today we made a calculation of the Convector's mining profitability in different modes. We took two electricity prices as a basis: $0.05 and $0.1. We suggest you familiarize yourself with the calculations  8)


Option №1
Electricity cost - $0.05

Maximum Convector Operation Mode, 11 TH / 900W
1) daily income - $2.15
2) consumption per day - $1.08
3) daily profit - $1.07

Optimum Convector Mode, 8 TH / 600W
1) daily income - $1.56
2) consumption per day - $0.72
3) daily profit - $0.84

Minimum Convector Operation, 9 TH / 550W
1) daily income - $1.76
2) consumption per day - $0.66
3) daily profit - $1.10


Option №2
Electricity cost - $0.1

Maximum Convector Operation Mode, 11 TH / 900W
1) daily income - $2.15
2) consumption per day - $2.16
3) daily profit - "-$0.01"

Optimum Convector Mode, 8 TH / 600W
1) daily income - $1.56
2) consumption per day - $1.44
3) daily profit - $0.12

Minimum Convector Operation, 9 TH / 550W
1) daily income - $1.76
2) consumption per day - $1.32
3) daily profit - $0.44

Calculations were done on the website http://whattomine.com, thanx!


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: HagssFIN on April 02, 2019, 10:10:39 AM
Ok,
So did I understand it correctly?

With 0.05 cent electricity price,
if household heating benefit is not taken into account,
it will take roughly 1800 days to make even,
if the numbers stay the same and if the miner retail price is 1.8k USD.


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: selo on April 03, 2019, 02:36:14 PM
Ok,
So did I understand it correctly?

With 0.05 cent electricity price,
if household heating benefit is not taken into account,
it will take roughly 1800 days to make even,
if the numbers stay the same and if the miner retail price is 1.8k USD.

Yes, it is sounds correctly. That's why it is a convector, that will compensate for the same cost of "consumption per day". Thereby, several times faster returning the cost of equipment.


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: selo on April 24, 2019, 07:04:41 PM
Hi there! :) We are looking for partners for certification of a miner in Europe. Maybe there are such people in our community?


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: white_rabbit_ on April 26, 2019, 10:12:07 AM
Thats an interesting project, is it possible to implement such thing in a place with high humidity?


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: selo on April 26, 2019, 03:12:22 PM
Thats an interesting project, is it possible to implement such thing in a place with high humidity?
High humidity is very bad for electronics, especially if it will turn off periodically.
Working humidity for convector is 20~90% RH non-condensing.
For increased humidity conditions you can look at the boiler-pump WX12 on our website or use Fancoil


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: selo on May 21, 2019, 10:01:53 AM
Finally :) We received boards with 33 Clarke chips from production, delivery was delayed. We started testing boards with chips, as well as installing them on a convector with subsequent optimization

https://i110.fastpic.ru/big/2019/0518/e9/8c73a6947f8a9a7a8356831131259fe9.jpg

https://i110.fastpic.ru/big/2019/0521/08/9d8f1c2fa0d39614863e072b85a1ea08.jpg

https://i110.fastpic.ru/big/2019/0521/01/3f9398deb183139c051417f941ce9601.jpg

https://i109.fastpic.ru/big/2019/0521/89/7477fe3317e1a257191eb009d4f75389.jpg

https://i110.fastpic.ru/big/2019/0521/35/b55070a0fd4868c0dc749ab2a4414635.jpg


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: HagssFIN on May 21, 2019, 10:42:32 AM
Wow, those are nice and big heat sinks you guys have.  8)


Title: Re: The convector-miner. Make btc while heating apartment.
Post by: selo on May 22, 2019, 05:40:49 PM
After setting up the software for the new board, as well as activating all the chips on the board after a brief test (30 minutes):
 - the temperature of the radiator (one of three temperature sensors) reached 82 * C
 - the planned current 9A;
 - the voltage on the power supply unit 11.9V;
 - mining from the entire module 1.68 TH (33 chips) = 51 GH / sc on a single chip.
Temperature and current to keep steadily.

We went clearly to the planned characteristics of the basic (minimum) operating mode of the convector.

For an hour of work - everything is stable.

The board gives 1.7 TH, one chip gives 51.6 GH, consumes 104.4 W

 8) ;)

https://i109.fastpic.ru/big/2019/0522/d1/9ec322c442ecc53d6d170cb455b195d1.jpg


Title: Re: The Hotmine Convector-Miner. Development on the Clarke ASIC chips
Post by: selo on May 28, 2019, 01:41:46 PM
After a series of successful tests and settings. We installed the Clarke boards on radiators and fixed them in the convector case.

https://i109.fastpic.ru/big/2019/0528/eb/7afffab4fb5f5402bf8a35894445fceb.jpg


Title: Re: The Hotmine Convector-Miner. Development on the Clarke ASIC chips
Post by: selo on May 28, 2019, 04:09:20 PM
The convector is running!

https://i109.fastpic.ru/thumb/2019/0528/20/_d55c068807e52c0fd835a2a53ca2a520.jpeg (https://fastpic.ru/view/109/2019/0528/_d55c068807e52c0fd835a2a53ca2a520.jpg.html)

Everything is working. Watching. 62 W/TH - one of the best efficiencies obtained 8.26 THs / 515 W
There are questions about modes programming on the way :)
https://i110.fastpic.ru/big/2019/0609/63/cf6074d4805b7b311d4a241ef59d8c63.jpg

The back side of the convector
https://i110.fastpic.ru/thumb/2019/0528/9b/_7708d0809958860c44fe13b2e698849b.jpeg (https://fastpic.ru/view/110/2019/0528/_7708d0809958860c44fe13b2e698849b.jpg.html)

View from the boards (the lid is not closed)
https://i110.fastpic.ru/thumb/2019/0528/31/_b62e7ae8d45782b89c837e12651e2f31.jpeg (https://fastpic.ru/view/110/2019/0528/_b62e7ae8d45782b89c837e12651e2f31.jpg.html)

Side-top view
https://i109.fastpic.ru/thumb/2019/0528/50/_4488b86b777c3212da7c094ef7420250.jpeg (https://fastpic.ru/view/109/2019/0528/_4488b86b777c3212da7c094ef7420250.jpg.html)



Title: Re: The Hotmine Convector-Miner. Development on the Clarke ASIC chips
Post by: MagicByt3 on May 29, 2019, 06:52:02 PM
This is a very cool project I recall hot-mine from a few years back whatever happened with them?
Last I saw they were building some kind of boiler system with the chips is that project now finished or is this the next stage of development?

I look forward to reading more about this and keep up the good work.


Title: Re: The Hotmine Convector-Miner. Development on the Clarke ASIC chips
Post by: selo on May 31, 2019, 08:02:46 AM
This is a very cool project I recall hot-mine from a few years back whatever happened with them?
Last I saw they were building some kind of boiler system with the chips is that project now finished or is this the next stage of development?

I look forward to reading more about this and keep up the good work.


Thank you! Hotmine have been working continuously since 2013, we just have not publicly covered our development so actively. Do you mean a boiler for heating a house? Yes, the development has been completed and now the boilers are actively working, heating houses. More information can be found on our website: https://hotmine.io/ru/catalog/5. So to say, there is a product, but sales have not gone.

And about the Convector Miner - this is our current development on new chips.


Title: Re: The Hotmine Convector-Miner. Development on the Clarke ASIC chips
Post by: selo on June 03, 2019, 07:40:45 AM
We warmed the room - now we warm the corridor  ;D :)

https://i110.fastpic.ru/thumb/2019/0603/64/_574cd1523da842eff5e6b04cc13e2564.jpeg (https://fastpic.ru/view/110/2019/0603/_574cd1523da842eff5e6b04cc13e2564.jpg.html)

https://i106.fastpic.ru/thumb/2019/0601/62/_fbcdae8d59e5f438bfef96d548b49162.jpeg

Also check this one gif! What do you think it is? :)
https://s3.gifyu.com/images/video_20190601_103008.gif


Title: Re: The Hotmine Convector-Miner. Development on the Clarke ASIC chips
Post by: HagssFIN on June 03, 2019, 01:38:06 PM
Cool,
the LEDs in the miner modules make a nice night time show :D


Title: Re: The Hotmine Convector-Miner. Development on the Clarke ASIC chips
Post by: selo on June 09, 2019, 01:54:50 PM
Cool,
the LEDs in the miner modules make a nice night time show :D

Yes, it is LEDs night dance))
What do you think, is it necessary to introduce the mode of operation of the convector so that there are no light effects from the LEDs?
https://s3.gifyu.com/images/video_20190601_103008.gif


Title: Re: The Hotmine Convector-Miner. Development on the Clarke ASIC chips
Post by: selo on June 10, 2019, 02:52:44 PM
Hotmine CM-1 is the code name of our product  :o


Title: Re: The Hotmine Convector-Miner. Development on the Clarke ASIC chips
Post by: HagssFIN on June 10, 2019, 03:01:18 PM
I don't mind the led show,
but maybe there could be a 'dark mode' as an option.


Title: Re: The Hotmine Convector-Miner. Development on the Clarke ASIC chips
Post by: selo on June 10, 2019, 03:02:28 PM
We are locking this topic and migrate there:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5152874.new#new