Bitcoin Forum

Hello, I would like to ask you about STOs. It means that STO is regulated and has a license to run a token sale, am I correct? And all STOs are giving passive income to token holders or not?
I have heard about these two big STOs BoltonCoin and FABA and both STOs are suspected as a scam, have you heard about that?
And my last question how something that is regulated could be a scam..?  ::)

Thanks!

No one is interested in this interesting topic? I think that it is very actual! It will help others to fully understand diffrence between Security token offering and Inition token offering.

With the numerous scams that are circulating in the cryptospace i agree STOs are the future of ICOs because with STOs the funds of investors are actually backed by mostly real working project and also investors are offered licenses to help secure their investment with the project.

We all know that everything can be faked here, and we have seen some STO scamming and being dishonest to investors and bounty take hunters to take a look at Desigo and there is report that the popular Boltoncoin is a scam so don't give your 100% trust to STO type of coins yet.

STO-s are supposed to be safer, but as others have already said, reality doesn't agree with our expectations.
In the meantime I don't think ICO-s in their old form would be gone. Being able to invest in an oversees business without going through a ton of hassle has its place in the global economy.
But they would have to grow and mature to the point where serious investors would be confident putting money in - and not just gamblers.

I think that STO still has more chances than the ICO, but if STO is extremely strict, as it already seems, it is possible that there will be a return to the ICO.

If there was someone saying about that and it should be a marketing gimmick, you can try to create comparison between sto and ico. STO just another gimmick that not even one of STO in the crypto already registered.
That's marketing gimmick dude.

Because of the scam issues resulting from 2017-2018 concerning ICOs gave it a bad name which destroy all it potentials to make crypt-space greater but with the advent of STOs there is still some scam rumors even though its been regulated. Though STOs may seem to give passive income than ICOs but still have hope in ICOs. 

In my opinion, STO still needs to be reviewed. About the project you're talking about, I've heard that it's a fraudulent project. I'm also not interested in joining this project. Fraud really makes a lot of people disappointed, but if there is a strange project, it's better to decide not to join.

Though they are created to be more safer, we can't assure that those creators really submitted authentic documents. There might be loopholes somewhere. But ICO vs. STO, i think the latter has high chance of not turning to be a fraud. At least, there is some sort of regulations that will prevent them from running away not only from the investors but from the government body where they submitted their supposedly legit docs.

The desigo fiasco was an really scammy and it pissed a lot of us .They claimed they were restricted by laws not to release tokens to those who promoted their project and yet never paid the equivalent in fiats.We just need to be care with the claims every project make.STOs or ICOs

hard to say if STOs will be the future of icos. as long as there is no place where you can check a sto official, they are just as insecure as an ico. that is my current opinion.

The actual scam may well be that they are claiming to be STOs when indeed they have not obtained such licence to conduct an STO. It is easily to forge some document as licence and many persons may not be diligent to spot the fraud and as such as deceived into buying into an ICO masquerading as STOs.There are a lot of scam protections in an STO but they are by no means 100 %

if by "the future of ICOs" you mean death then yeah STOs are the future of ICOs because ICOs are dying and changing their name to something else but doing the exact same bullshit scam is not going to change that and they will still continue to die because this way of scammy fund raising has no future at all no matter how many big successful scams have happened in the past due to a lot of hype.

I just saw the FABA project, Is the project really suspected of fraud? It is true that they did STO instead of ICO. But how can the FABA project be suspected that it is a fraud project.

STO stands for Security token offering.
ICO means Initial token offering.

Let's think about what a single word can change. I don't think the STO is the big difference from the ICO. In fact, the same thing, made a little cute STO!

If you have noticed the trends of crowdfunding in 2019
You should have observed that most projects do not fancy sto

Projects have gone for ico more; then a few went for ieo
While the remaining few do stos

Ico remains the best so far

You are right, it is very hard to judge a unique project in this difficult market situation. A lot of them are meant to be scammers and liers these new comers disappoint everyone afterwards. If they are unique then there should be some regulations.

You said that STOs could provide fake documents, but if they do that then it is not hard to verify it or?
For me STOs look very attractive cause they try to things in diffrent way, a way more secure for investors.

STO can replace ICO in the future. I think it's a market trend. You can see more and more STO appears and it is aiming for a safe investment solution for investors. But investment always includes risk so be careful.

Indeed, its because regulated by government. Securities is like we having company asset and combine with blockchain and decentralized, i think its the future of cryptocurrency market

I think yes, most people who want to raise money or capital will be forced to do STOs, if they still want a token model, but more important than making it a security, they will need to design a good token model.

STO means complying with regulations, but a caution for all is that being legal doesn't mean scam-free. Remember Enron;)

I also have the same question, if they are going to scam people, they will go straight to jail because they are given license because they are legit, if these coins are reported scam and they claimed they are STO then they are either lying that they are STO or they want to go straight to the jail.

STO does not solve the problem of fraud by 100%, but the introduction of regulation will help rid the market of clearly fraudulent projects. In principle, ICO will not go anywhere, just investors had another investment tool with less risk than ICO.

While I do not see much attention from the community to the STO, this form of regulation significantly complicates certain aspects, for example, the generation and generation of tokens. I hope in the future this type of investment will gain momentum, or at least prove its inefficiency.

All in all if they want to scam they should choose wisely over money and hide or be in jail. I guess STO will not be going a scam anymore since the funds are going to be in tangible assets like land and buildings but i dont know if that would be on government's cover but i guess its not. However, STO is a lot better than ICO.

It's too early to tell, we have not yet seen an STO become a top coin in the market, but investors are more lenient on STO because one they are so fed up with ICO and second they want guaranty that they are investing with return, so much money has been wasted in failed ICO.

After the success of BTT and FET, I think in the IEO will be the future of ICO. STO has too many legal issues to deal with.

I have attended several blockchain events and summits in which the panel talks and debates more about ICOs and STOs. Some say that STOs are the future, but others don’t agree on that. There are various reasons that some have agreed and some are not.

If I were to be asked, I am supportive that STOs are the future. You know why? It is because STOs are regulated and investors are protected due to the startup’s backed assets and being registered by the SEC.

I know that ICOs are booming last 2017, but it also opens opportunity for others to run away with our money because the investors hold all of the risks. This is just my own opinion though, but I would respect others’ opinions. Just sayin’ only.

I don't quite agree with you, because IEO is nothing more but the same sh*t. When everyone understand it, the majority of IEO will have already gone to scam. And we will witness the same situation like we have with ICOs right now. But STO is a different story. For sure there are a lot of legal issues and other stuff with it but on the other hand exactly these things will give trust to STOs and you won't lose your funds any more.

Only time will tell how good these STOs are going to be. I mean there are alot of things that can go wrong, the scammers do have the habit of finding ways to bypass the laws and scam people.

Because of the many fraud problems now. but, I think for the STO problem we need to review it, usually for investors who have spent a lot of money will feel disappointed with STO, I am also not interested in STO because of fraud issues, but I think there is a better way to prevent this fraud .

Yeah, I can agree with you also that STOs is the future, it is the new type of ICO we are going to be seeing this days which is even much more better than investing in ICOs since most of this companies that carry out STOs are already well known company that has already built trust by having a working project everyone can see.

For example, it will be easy for anyone to invest in binance STO because we know those who runs the platform and this guys have earned our trust already.

Like many I do not see much difference in this, yes, today there are a very large number of projects that come out exactly as STO, but I do not think that this is a guarantee of security from scam projects. Let's see how time will tell.

By definition the STO project does have a clear legal entity that is safe from fraud. But today all can be manipulated including the STO project. I don't think that all STO projects that are currently running are purely STO projects.

I think it is just a more safer way of doing an ICO and it is a big step forward. I with every ICO would have a money back guarantee and would start their token sales already with a working product and not just an idea.

Like many people, I do not see much difference in these processes. It seems to me that the main difference is only the name and nothing more, because in general it is still created based on eth.

Based on the fact that today, most people still say that, in general, these processes are very similar to each other, I believe that this is a kind of marketing ploy, which was created artificially. This is another manipulation!

no sto are not the future of ico, is true that they are regulated and offer more guarantees than ico, but i believe that the ico will not disappear, the sto and the ico will coexist at least for a few more years...

We want our freedom, but we are limiting it with STO. The STO is better, but because of the regulations. I have no idea which one is right, but I guess it might be better than STO.

So what do you want us to do with it?
Check them one on one and try to figure out if they are really legitimate companies.
It is hard work and I think it is every individual job who will invest to those STO's to still check it.
This is a new kind of way of creating coins and even if they say they are safer, double checking is a must.

Remember, it is your money which is at risk not theirs. You cannot just hand it over with no safety measures.

If that were really work well, then it should be able to become a major breakthrough in cryptocurrency world. with it being hoped it could totally stop any kind of scams that already spreading today

Good point.The idea of ​​Faba is to create a collective venture fund. Kind of, we chip in Ethereum and buy Faba tokens. And the founders of the project withdrawal ETH in Fiat and invest in other startups.  And here is the reality. At the moment, the guys assure that they have invested in six projects: Hooba foods, vuje, my father's hair, for long life, moolyacoin and cargocoin.  Two of them are ICO, the third sells Nutra, the fourth – shrooms, the fifth – medication for baldness, the sixth produces hydrogen and renewable resources. The amount of investment is unknown. But it is unlikely large. After all, the next Faba sale will begin this March and the founders have no idea how much money they will collect. Otherwise, they wouldn’t write Soft Cap of 4 million bucks. By the way, how do you like the abyss in 63.5 million between goals? They are so experienced strategists that they are trying to shot in the dark. Just my two cents. Better get going as I resume my live poker (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=67.0) sessions. Best of luck!

STO or security token offer is best entry in crypto market as there fist aim is to create trust between the project and customer so hope it will boost up the crypto market as they offer the refund in any misadventure.

STOs are slowly starting to gain in popularity as a crowd funding solution and some offer dividends, whereas others include voting rights and each startup is generally required to register with the SEC as an approved securities issuer, so make sure this has been accomplished before you consider investing capital in these types of ventures and as always do a thorough due diligence analysis to ensure the project has long term viability

It could be possible and it could also be true, when we talk of regulation of ICO, I think it simply means they are under the control of a body that must have registered them and also authorized then to carry out such project using blockchain technology.

There are so many scammers who doesn’t care about their identity, this is huge sum of money we are talking about here, so it will take nothing from the scammer to relocate to another country where intelligence department cannot even trace him or her but the things with STO is that, the rate of scamming in it will be very little compared to that of ICO

STO rules are unclear, most of the projects claiming to be STO, I have doubts about these projects

But, they were doing same thing with IPO too and ICO still succeeded in making IPO projects irrelevant, so now that they have come up with STO to run on blockchain technology, Does that mean they are fully in support of cryptocurrency, because the last time I checked, sec was fully against cryptocurrency and I think STO projects will also come up with their own coin too. You can only do your own diligent analysis when the body you are dealing with too are transparent enough in their dealings, SEC has not been fully transparent, so I see no reason why I should take their STO project serious that much.

Stos are really not living up to expectations at the moment
No project is willing to use it as a form of crowdfunding

Instead, ieo is taking the limelight and massively buoyant

As the industry continues to evolve, STO will surely replace ICO and this will be better for investors and the industry entirely. STO is more safer and profitable and the risk involved in it is lesser but all the same it will also come with its risk

this is so true. if he wants to know the legitimacy of these projects, he should be doing his own research and assess for himself if the facts available are authentic. no one will do the homework for you. but look for threads particularly in the scam accusations board if there are threads dedicated for them. so at least you will gain insights about the project, checking if there are red flags or not.


i don't think STO is the new norm in crypto now. it is more of IEO handled by various exchanges. though several projects had successful IEOs, it is not a guarantee that you will earn profit from this. you need to check how they perform after IEO and it is for you to gauge if this will be a good investment for you.

With a lot of scam projects hovering in the industry, I think STOs will surely replace ICO with time and this will be more good for the industry and makes it more matured. With STOs, the money of investors will be backed by assets and investors will also earn dividend from their investments

I think so because most STOs i know have a working product and the team are really focused in developing the project to the fullest unlike ICOs which only boasts of potential products. Furthermore STOs actually see it's token holders as real investors with legal document backing their purchase of tokens unlike ICOs

Legal for what? not even one of them is legally registered by regulators. STO is done and people are feeling better to invest in the ICO or IEO. STO doesn't have a working product and that's a bullshit promise that created by STO team. STO is another kind of rebrand.

STO is different from ICO. Although, investors might invest in STOs, but that does not outrightly nullify interests in ICO. Focus is now being shifted to a different form of investment, known as IEO.

STO will now be a better investment choice. However, I see not all projects can do STO because most projects are still conducting ICO. Because we know that projects that are newly built will certainly require capital for development. It seems like STO will be good to replace ICO.

Yes, agreed with that! STO supposed to be safer for the investor, but still, there are many scams out there.
I guess IEO's are giving more trust right now, as those exchanges are putting their reputation at risk. At least they are doing some due diligence. It is interesting to see, what it all will lead to. What do you think, what will be the next after IEO? :)

They are suspected scam, if they are indeed an STO, they will not stand with the regulators, because they are being monitored, we'll see the progress of that two coins I stopped following them but it sure is a bad start for STO, looks like IEO is the next big thing.

STO and ICO were interesting in the past, but now is different.
You will find out that IEO is more preferable for cryptocurrency investors nowadays.
i know about BoltonCoin and FABA because they were running bounty campaign, but i don't know they are scam ICO.
about your last question, it is better to find out if they are really regulated or not.

I just heard STO,
but I can't say that STO scam,
maybe I will give some features of the ico scam or project scam,
one of them is looking at the website of the project,
the team and also most importantly the project's github link,
usually the project scam is all inactive, whether it's the Github link, the website and also the social media.
and you can practice this to the STO project.

I know STO is secured and better than ICO but the way things are going now IEO will beat STO to dust ,yes it looks like that's what will happen this year,many projects will prefer IEO crowdfunding

I don't believe in this two crowdfunding because of the scam rumors, investors prefer to invest in IEO, it's safe, profitable and crowdfunding can be finished within minutes as compared to ICO and STO, no wonder it's a hot topic today.

to be honest , this was my first time to heard of it . is this the same as lpo's and ipo's  ?   in the meantime ieo's are the one that everyone is talking about  . they say ieo's is the future of ico's because ieo's are said to be legit due to the fact that they are backed by famous and reputable exchange sites  .  for now maybe but we dont know in the future   .  i remeber last time when the first ico came out , they are also legit but eventually the ico scene got polluted by greedy sccammers   . lets hope the same thing wont happen to ieo's and sto's  

Perhaps this is true because relying on today's conclusions on how quickly IEO passes, it can be concluded that it is very convenient and fast. But we do not know how much it costs and who the real owner is, maybe, the exchanges themselves create these projects?

IEO atuapaun STO is a new thing at this time and in my opinion it will indeed be a new thing, regarding the development later we cannot speculate too far because indeed it is a difficult thing

I did think the same but right now, it seems IEO is more popular and succesfull than STO's. ICO's are over yes but right now the replacement seems to be IEO's.

When you are the word STO on a project, it does not outrightly mean it is legit. It still calls that you should make proper findings before investing. It is true that STOs are meant to be regulated, but scammers can also proclaim a project to be regulated and the only way you can detect them is by doing research to know where they are actually registered, ask for document backing them up and trace the claim back to the regulatory body or  bodies.

We can’t really conclude that they are STO based projects, if they are finding it difficult to infiltrate IEO, why would they infiltrate something that is being regulated which SEC can go after at any time, I think when it comes to investment security, STO will still be leading because they have more than what it takes to go after a scammer.

I am not saying scammers cannot take advantage of STO, you know we have some people that are so daft that they would try anything believing they will not get caught, so am sure it won’t be long for people being those 2 coins to be caught if they are really scammers that came through STO.

You asked that how something that is regulated could be a scam. Well, what if the project wasn't actually registered under any authority and just decided to fabricate the whole thing. Scammers are busy working on process to counter and boycott all kinds of procedures to stop their activities. One should be careful and wise even with the so-called STOs. And people tend to dig less into STO projects believing they are regulated and can't scam.

I think that the service station is much safer than ICO because the first one is the safest for investors. Yes, I understand that there are a couple of fraudulent projects, but understand that sales of this kind need a regulator that will protect investors' funds.

Yeah, it is. At least when they plan to fund raise through security token offering, it may offer protections to the investors since security tokens should act like stocks where holders get a percentage of the profit.

I do not think that STO is the future of ICO. I think that IEO is the future of ICO. STO have low popularity yet. I’m not sure that they will be able to meet expectations.