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Title: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: marcotheminer on March 20, 2019, 08:37:24 AM

Changed thread name: post whatever stupid shit goes on through "trust drama" here if you'd like. Everyone needs to relax (maybe take 420 to do so?) & stop creating problems where there are none .

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Quote from: marcotheminer on April 17, 2019, 08:55:05 AM

Here's another example of stupid shit going on:

https://i.imgur.com/tvq7g5r.png

On user Vod: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=30747

"Counter." I didn't cut anything off, that's really the only thing he put lol.

Just expressing my thoughts, trying to NOT come from a biased point of view (though currently, I am victim of these problems too).

Not sure about a solution, it's too easy for one to subjectively scammer-tag people without repercussions because they will endlessly argue about the validity of the trust.

The trust that I found that led me to this post (apart from my obvious circumstances) was left by yahoo62278 on Thule: "This user has some issues. Dealing with him may lead to personal vendettas or major smear attempts."

User has some issues... May lead to... Hmm. I wouldn't think negative (scammer) trust is required to say this. Neutral works just fine. I didn't look at this user's other trusts - but if this one is there: bound to have many users affected in the same way.

It's a tit for tat kind of reputation system, which is fucked. On the flip side, it is too easy to gain trust too. Really not sure of any solution (but whatever the old system was, seemed to have less flaws)? Not sure, maybe now more people add more people to trusted lists, so many more people have reputation building or destroying power.

Other instances:
- to be added, please comment any you find too.

Title: Re: Forum Trust System: broken or not?
Post by: Findingnemo on March 20, 2019, 08:55:36 AM

Everyone have their own right to give feedback to anyone if they want,so we can't say this is broken.

But you can see if there is a feedback left by a DT member without any reason then it will be overcome by other members feedback once you can convince other DT members that you are trusted enough.

When someone is doing retaliatory feedback then you can appeal it to theymos,he is the only person can blacklist the DT1 members manually.

Title: Re: Forum Trust System: broken or not?
Post by: Jet Cash on March 20, 2019, 09:01:02 AM

I think that it is almost impossible to create a good trust system - look at the problems that Ebay has with theirs. One solution is to have a full time staff member to create and monitor a trust system. This would be rather like a credit rating, but there is a cost associated with this, and also the risk of legal action over some rankings. The other problem is that whilst account sales are allowed, then you cannot rely on the current trust rating for a sold account.

The best use of the trust system is for members to decide on a couple of members they respect, and to see who they trust in a trade or exchange.

Title: Re: Forum Trust System: broken or not?
Post by: LoyceV on March 20, 2019, 09:07:38 AM

Quote from: marcotheminer on March 20, 2019, 08:37:24 AM

Really not sure of any solution

The only thing you can do at this moment, is to create your own Trust list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust). If enough users do that, DT will have less power over them.
However, I think the majority is fine with the current trust system, and you too haven't create your own list yet. You've been included and excluded by many users, including Admin:

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In short: choose who's judgement you trust and create your own Trust list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust) :)

Title: Re: Forum Trust System: broken or not?
Post by: Foxpup on March 20, 2019, 09:16:25 AM

Quote from: marcotheminer on March 20, 2019, 08:37:24 AM

The trust that I found that led me to this post (apart from my obvious circumstances) was left by yahoo62278 on Thule: "This user has some issues. Dealing with him may lead to personal vendettas or major smear attempts."

Seems fine to me. That is indeed a valid reason (of which there are many) to consider Thule to be untrustworthy. I fail to see any problem here, certainly nothing to conclude that the trust system as a whole is "broken".

Title: Re: Forum Trust System: broken or not?
Post by: Lauda on March 20, 2019, 09:23:29 AM

This thread wouldn't exist without those new negatives that you've gotten. Nothing is broken, sort-of.

Title: Re: Forum Trust System: broken or not?
Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on March 20, 2019, 09:30:13 AM

If you consistently repay loans late then you have to accept that the neutral ratings are fair. Potential lenders might not be happy getting paid late & I doubt you tell them before the loan ‘I’ll probably repay late’. If you did it might determine wether they’re willing to lend to you or not so absolutely the neutral ratings are fair.

The negative ratings are determined by who has given them, I can see why some have left you red trust but I deemed neutral as enough for now.

Just stop repaying loans late & you won’t have to worry.

Title: Re: Forum Trust System: broken or not?
Post by: Quickseller on March 20, 2019, 01:48:03 PM

Quote from: LoyceV on March 20, 2019, 09:07:38 AM

Quote from: marcotheminer on March 20, 2019, 08:37:24 AM

Really not sure of any solution

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In short: choose who's judgement you trust and create your own Trust list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust) :)

As long as the “d” remains in DT creating a custom trust list is worthless.

Even those that have custom trust lists still use DT as a reference to determine if they will do business with you because it is shown by default to potential customers.

Title: Re: Forum Trust System: broken or not?
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on March 20, 2019, 01:59:00 PM

Quote from: marcotheminer on March 20, 2019, 08:37:24 AM

Just expressing my thoughts, trying to NOT come from a biased point of view (though currently, I am victim of these problems too).

Oh, come on. Your opinion and your creation of this thread is completely biased, and the only reason you're saying anything is because of the red trust you recently got.

The problem in this case isn't the trust system, though there are certainly problems with it. The problem here is that members finally called bullshit on your late loan repayment practices and lousy attitude toward both the lender and the community, which I've already addressed in at least one other thread that dealt with the incident. You can't expect to hold someone's money hostage with excuses and delays and not pay a penalty for that. The problem is you in this case, not the trust system.

That said, I may consider revision of my feedback at a later date, just as I do with anyone who has learned from their mistakes. I'm not sure you realize where you went wrong, however.

Title: Re: Forum Trust System: broken or not?
Post by: cryptohunter on March 20, 2019, 04:25:38 PM

Well let's consider the observable events - Want evidence to substantiate any of these statements then just ask.

1. what kind of people are saying the trust system works well and no need for a review.

a/ A proven liar, scammer, and one implicated in extortion and shady escrow practises.
b/ A proven sneaky, greedy, racist trolling sig spammer sock puppet user who is desperate for btc dust.
c/ Quite possibly the worst merit abuser on this board who just slathers political merit to those in "*the gang"

* the gang is a bunch of merit cyclers who also collude on the inclusions and exclusions on the trust list. Simply pull up their fans and recipients on the bpip or dig deeper to their top 20 or 30 lists these cyclers are riddled inside those top lists. They all rush to each other defence and attack as gang on threads where their "power" is questioned. (like here)

2./ What kind of persons are demonstrating it observably does not work

a/ persons that have voiced the truth about DT's prior observable wrong doing - and got red trust
b/ persons that were accused of being other members (with no evidence) - and got red trust
c/ other NON scammers - got red trust.

Merit is the real cancer here on this board. It is just most people are too dumb to understand how merit (now trust also for some unknown reason) crushes free speech whilst enabling and small group of proven untrustworthy individuals to gain power and control others PAID2POST and Trading behaviour. This is an observable fact.

So in short - not only does it not work because you now have a bunch of red scores for things not only NOT for scamming. You have red trust being given to those who are telling the truth and highlighting OBSERVABLE wrongdoing by individuals that should never be in a trust position. So we created systems that are misleading and broken and as a nice side effect crush free speech.

You want to dispute anything I have said?? Bring the debate here.

TL/DR

Both systems of control are not only broken and wide open to gaming (which is actually incentivized and rewarded )they crush free speech (the worst thing that could ever happen here).

Title: Re: Forum Trust System: broken or not?
Post by: Foxpup on March 20, 2019, 04:43:37 PM

I had a feeling it wouldn't take long for cryptohunter to show up in this thread.

Quote from: cryptohunter on March 20, 2019, 04:25:38 PM

Quite possibly the worst merit abuser on this board who just slathers political merit to those in "*the gang"

You're talking about me, right? That's good. I was beginning to think you'd lost interest in me.

Title: Re: Forum Trust System: broken or not?
Post by: cryptohunter on March 20, 2019, 05:00:59 PM

Quote from: Foxpup on March 20, 2019, 04:43:37 PM

I had a feeling it wouldn't take long for cryptohunter to show up in this thread.

Quote from: cryptohunter on March 20, 2019, 04:25:38 PM

Quite possibly the worst merit abuser on this board who just slathers political merit to those in "*the gang"

You're talking about me, right? That's good. I was beginning to think you'd lost interest in me.

Ha, well I knew you could not fail to recognise your actions were being accurately described.

Title: Re: Forum Trust System: broken or not?
Post by: OgNasty on March 20, 2019, 05:04:17 PM

There's just a few bad eggs in the default trust system. It's functioning mostly as expected. In time I am sure we will see more improvements.

Title: Re: Forum Trust System: broken or not?
Post by: Foxpup on March 20, 2019, 05:17:38 PM

Quote from: cryptohunter on March 20, 2019, 05:00:59 PM

Ha, well I knew you could not fail to recognise your actions were being accurately described.

It's not my fault I'm the worst merit abuser. There are just so many others who are far better at it than I am.

Title: Re: Forum Trust System: broken or not?
Post by: Harlot on March 20, 2019, 05:19:19 PM

I wouldn't say its broken as we have the Reputation board ( and Scam accusation) to talk about the negative trust that has been given to you. I have been hanging out on those threads for a while now and to tell you the truth a lot of negative trust that has been given wrongly to members has been either removed or changed to neutral. Mostly misunderstandings as well as the problem being fixed is the most common way you get your negative trust be removed in your trust summary.

Title: Re: Forum Trust System: broken or not?
Post by: EcuaMobi on March 20, 2019, 05:25:29 PM

Quote from: marcotheminer on March 20, 2019, 08:37:24 AM

maybe now more people add more people to trusted lists, so many more people have reputation building or destroying power

I think you have a point regarding the increased amount of people on default trust. I would increase the minimum required to have light and dark green trust.
I'm not sure about requiring 2 negatives instead of one to make a profile red too. An option would be to make it red right away (in case a scammer in action was spotted) but make it neutral again after a while if no other trusted negative is left.

The system is definitely not perfect but it's much better than no system at all or no default trust list at all.

Title: Re: Forum Trust System: broken or not?
Post by: cryptohunter on March 20, 2019, 06:57:01 PM

Quote from: EcuaMobi on March 20, 2019, 05:25:29 PM

Quote from: marcotheminer on March 20, 2019, 08:37:24 AM

maybe now more people add more people to trusted lists, so many more people have reputation building or destroying power

Can you list the pros and cons that you factored into this final statement, because that seems quite doubtful bordering on ludicrous.

You can not possibly allow the formations of sub admin level control systems that are wide open to being gamed, provide reward for gaming them and allow them to crush free speech unanswered.

I'm interested in hearing you out anyway.

You are all focusing on TRUST too much the REAL issue that is stopping the TRUST system from being decentralised is the broken and cycled merit system which is now apparently the TRUST system too.

Bring in some REAL decentralisation (by enabling a few people outside of the observable GANG) and watch these people get kept in line. However, letting them move the key requirements to something THEY control was a terrible error of judgement.

I mean if DT's are not willing to keep to Theymos proposal of red trust being reserved for Scammers or those STRONGLY likely to scam then what is the point of it? I think theymos creates these decentralised systems that sadly rely on people NOT acting selfishly and all doing what he says even when he never backs it up with action. Well, that is never going to work.

The only hope is that as TIME drags on, more and more people will reach the 250 shitty cycled junk merits key positions and they will eventually through mass of numbers stop colluding as one bunch so successfully and efficiently. EVENTUALLY DT's will be kept in line to the point they will get red trusted or perhaps removed. I don't think that will be that useful and whilst we wait free speech is crushed and we are far far far from an optimal environment here.

You could not have a worse start to it all (it is infested with scum that have no care of observable wrongdoing, abuse and gaming it to the max) if it EVER does manage to be more net positive than the net negative aspects and tensions it creates.

Better to have one single entity that sets some clear criteria and kicks abusers off than this drawn out experiment with the board.

Merit is always doomed sadly. To make that some kind of objective, fair and reliable metric is impossible because people simply do not have the same capacity to recognise the TRUE value of a post. Just keep that for preventing bots and account farmers.

Meta is basically 6 groups

1. those that know the systems are broken but pretend they are not so they can keep gaming them and retaining the rewards.

2. those that know the systems are broken but think if they keep feltching the abusers of those systems long enough they will get to abuse them too.

3. those that know the systems are broken but too scared to speak up against the abusers or want to ass kiss theymos because he is the warden of the forum and that he may be offended if the attempts to decentralise control don't work out that well.

4. me - who wants to fair and transparent system for all posters, whom are free to say what they want as long as they bring a sensible reasonable supporting case for it. An environment where just because your views are unpopular they will not be cause to see your account ruined, your paid2post opportunities taken away and your ability to trade crushed.

5. Theymos, who wants to see if it is possible to decentralise control of an anonymous posting forum in a way that prevents net negative behaviour without having serious net negative side effects. Who himself is surrounded by tainted feedback from those 1st 3 groups.

6. Those that have no real clue.

Someone smart here once told me.... I hate those that kiss my ass the most, they are the first ones to turn on you.

Title: Re: Forum Trust System: broken or not?
Post by: EcuaMobi on March 20, 2019, 07:14:53 PM

Quote from: cryptohunter on March 20, 2019, 06:57:01 PM

Can you list the pros and cons that you factored into this final statement, because that seems quite doubtful bordering on ludicrous.

The utility of the trust system is quite obvious. I'm not sure if your question is real.
Without any trust system at all, scammers could keep scamming without restrictions, without even using a new account. Without any trust the only thing newbies would see is rank, so a scammer can get a Legendary account and scam a lot of users.
Without any default trust list at all, users would need to set up their own list. This makes perfect sense for experienced users who know whom to trust. But newbies don't know anybody so they would either add anyone to their list (randomly or Legendaries assuming that means the user can be trusted) or nobody. At least a list of suggestions of trusted users is required.

In fact, default trust should be shown even to non-registered users (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5121760.msg50217485#msg50217485). I hope theymos does that soon.

Title: Re: Forum Trust System: broken or not?
Post by: greeklogos on March 20, 2019, 08:06:24 PM

It's just like with merits - everything is up to person who give you positive or negative trust. I think the system works, but of course there are some exceptions when a person simply mean to the other one.

Title: Re: Forum Trust System: broken or not?
Post by: cryptohunter on March 20, 2019, 08:08:29 PM

Quote from: EcuaMobi on March 20, 2019, 07:14:53 PM

Quote from: cryptohunter on March 20, 2019, 06:57:01 PM

Can you list the pros and cons that you factored into this final statement, because that seems quite doubtful bordering on ludicrous.

I think you are focusing on the instances where it is useful and missing the greater and more far reaching/dangerous issues.

Things are a LOT more complex than you may realise.

To find the REAL net gain of the DT system/merit you must take all possible influences it has over the board and its members.
You are not considering
1. The implications for free speech (HUGE)
2. The false sense of security and positive or neutral score can render
3. The fact that people should study a persons entire history here before trading not just be lazy and rely on a misleading score.
4. The damage to accounts that are not scammers but got red trust via abuse.
5. The incentive and reward to abuse it.
6. The possible benefits of a different policing system

DT/Merit is misleading, VERY dangerous for an open discussion forum, and it's whack a mole success is limited really.

We could go into a deep debate on each point. I am up for that. Just find my thread of the year here in meta and post on it. I will respond.

Title: Re: Forum Trust System: broken or not?
Post by: EcuaMobi on March 20, 2019, 08:54:40 PM

Quote from: cryptohunter on March 20, 2019, 08:08:29 PM

I think you are focusing on the instances where it is useful and missing the greater and more far reaching/dangerous issues.

I'm focusing on most users, unlike you who are focusing on your particular case.
The system is far from perfect but you're not helping if you just criticize instead of suggesting specific changes to improve it. Of course just removing it completely is not an option as that would cause a lot of scams.

Quote from: cryptohunter on March 20, 2019, 08:08:29 PM

1. The implications for free speech (HUGE)

People can still write whatever they want, with or without the trust system. Users with negative trust (like you) can still post and discuss.

Quote from: cryptohunter on March 20, 2019, 08:08:29 PM

2. The false sense of security and positive or neutral score can render
3. The fact that people should study a persons entire history here before trading not just be lazy and rely on a misleading score.

Yes, ideally. However the truth is most users don't do that, especially newbies. People with positive trust are less likely to scam than people with negative trust. Of course that's not absolute and, ideally, users should still do their homework.

Quote from: cryptohunter on March 20, 2019, 08:08:29 PM

4. The damage to accounts that are not scammers but got red trust via abuse.
5. The incentive and reward to abuse it.
6. The possible benefits of a different policing system

Post you specific suggestions instead of just blindly attacking the system to get rid of your negative trust.

Update: If you ever post suggestions instead of just attacking the system I'll make sure to read. Until then I'll just avoid wasting my time.

Title: Re: Forum Trust System: broken or not?
Post by: cryptohunter on March 20, 2019, 11:18:05 PM

Quote from: EcuaMobi on March 20, 2019, 08:54:40 PM

Quote from: cryptohunter on March 20, 2019, 08:08:29 PM

I think you are focusing on the instances where it is useful and missing the greater and more far reaching/dangerous issues.

Quote from: cryptohunter on March 20, 2019, 08:08:29 PM

1. The implications for free speech (HUGE)

People can still write whatever they want, with or without the trust system. Users with negative trust (like you) can still post and discuss.

Quote from: cryptohunter on March 20, 2019, 08:08:29 PM

4. The damage to accounts that are not scammers but got red trust via abuse.
5. The incentive and reward to abuse it.
6. The possible benefits of a different policing system

Post you specific suggestions instead of just blindly attacking the system to get rid of your negative trust.

There are 2 possibilities.

1. you don't have a clue how the systems of control function
2. you are pretending not to have a clue how the systems of control function.

Let me qualify those statements for you.

You clearly have no understanding of the impact of merit and red trust. Or pretending not to.

Solution - go find my most important thread of the year here on meta which will baby step you through WHY there can be NO denial or even DEBATE over the way the systems of control operate and how free speech is crushed/vulnerable.

I was trying to give you a hints, but I will not baby step you through it all over again here now. Go read.
If you deny that Merit/DT crushes/renders vulnerable free speech after reading what I have just told you to read come back and say WHY you don't accept an accurate description of how the systems of control observably work.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088852.0

educate yourself.

As for your last statement, well I really have no idea how it relates to any of the last points that I have made. I mean for number 4 just take a look around the rep board or pay some attention to some of the complaints made in meta. 5,6, are simply observable fact and a statement/challenge.

I'm not trying to pick a fight with you I am simply telling you how things observably operate. Please do not speculate on my motives for ~~blindly lashing out~~ presenting the truth.

Title: Re: Forum Trust System: broken or not?
Post by: The Cryptovator on March 21, 2019, 05:45:46 AM

It's too bad that people's are realizing that trust system has broken just after they got tag. Why OP had not discussed it when you were not got tag? Same question to all whoever made similar thread previously.

I am not saying that current trust system is 100% accurate. But my question is why realize now. Perhaps some DT members or I have left wrong feedback's, it could be solve by constructive discussions. But people's start open multiple thread and start question about full trust system. This isn't really decent way for discussion.

OP got tag due to multiple loan and he didn't return on time. There isn't just single case. However OP have repaid loan and it's fine, but just repaid after got tag and ask to remove feedback's after paid isn't appropriate in my opinions. At least few days a warning should reflect on OP profile, so that others lenders will be aware his paste behaviour.

Title: Re: Forum Trust System: broken or not?
Post by: Quickseller on March 21, 2019, 06:32:49 AM

The major problem with the trust system is the selection process for those who are on DT has nothing to do with who actually uses the trust system in a meaningful way (eg, they don't participate in the marketplace in a meaningful way). As a result, the DT system is not one of self governance, but is rather something closer to a dictatorship, in that those who make the rules are entirely unrelated to those who are bound by the rules, and those who are bound by the rules have zero input in the rules.

Those who are in DT are also not selected by those who have ever been active in the marketplace.

IMO, the best way to structure the DT system is to have several people who own, or have owned large bitcoin related businesses who have people on their trust list they are willing to trust their businesses' reputation on in regards to giving fair ratings, and otherwise acting fairly within the trust system. When there is a rating dispute, if someone is not acting in good faith, or otherwise is acting fairly, their sponsor(s) should be called out publicly.

The best and most appropriate people to run the trust system is those who are wanting to protect their (potential) customers.

Looking at the first 3 pages of the digital goods section, it looks like nearly all of the threads are scam attempts, or attempts to do something illegal. The services sub is made up almost entirely of signature campaigns, the currency exchange sub has few active threads of people conducting legitimate business, and very few loans are ever made in the lending sub.

Title: Re: Forum Trust System: broken or not?
Post by: marcotheminer on March 21, 2019, 07:41:29 AM

Quote from: Lauda on March 20, 2019, 09:23:29 AM

This thread wouldn't exist without those new negatives that you've gotten. Nothing is broken, sort-of.

Correct, the debacle is what prompted me to make this post. Does that mean all is fine? No..

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on March 20, 2019, 09:30:13 AM

Where are you getting "consistently" from? I've repaid 2 late loans in full with additional interest. Late repayments HAPPEN believe it or not.

And see? More assumptions.. "I doubt you tell them": of course I fucking tell them, I'm the borrower I have some expectations and even more so if I don't see myself being able to repay on time.

Quote from: The Pharmacist on March 20, 2019, 01:59:00 PM

Quote from: marcotheminer on March 20, 2019, 08:37:24 AM

Just expressing my thoughts, trying to NOT come from a biased point of view (though currently, I am victim of these problems too).

I repaid TWO loans late. Both in the VERY recent past. If you need a novel on which circumstances/events led to having to extend repayment AND give extra: sorry you won't be getting that for at least a couple more years.

Lousy attitude to lender? I like to think they would both disagree. As for lousy attitude towards community: there's a reason for my attitude to be perceived that way by the negative trust places ::).

Not pay a penalty? The penalty is already late interest.

I realize exactly where I went wrong: I asked for too many loans (frowned upon) and I asked for too much at once (frowned upon by non-trusting members, which is completely fine). Then, following the accusations/scammer tagging that followed: I didn't reply as nicely as I should have (in some people's minds, so I apologise to those I offended..). Should those things render my account into a scammer's? I don't think so.

Quote from: OgNasty on March 20, 2019, 05:04:17 PM

There's just a few bad eggs in the default trust system. It's functioning mostly as expected. In time I am sure we will see more improvements.

I agree that it does function "mostly as expected" but it still relies heavily on personal opinions (and often un-involved ones).

Quote from: Harlot on March 20, 2019, 05:19:19 PM

I think that the current situation IS a misunderstanding, made worse by me trying to explain myself (people see that as "weaselling" out and "making excuses" but no - I'm just stating facts, and exactly what happened between my lenders and I).

Here's another good example:

Quote from: marcotheminer on March 21, 2019, 09:39:54 AM

Quote from: photobook on February 05, 2019, 03:16:04 AM

Hello! I am new here, but I can provide multiple social media accounts for verification. I have a decent following so I'm not someone who can just disappear with your coins. ;)

Loan Amount: 0.2 BTC
Loan Purpose: Our furnace needs to be replaced and being an adult sucks. [/b]
Loan Repay Amount: 0.25
Loan Repay Date: 3/10/19
Type of Collateral: um I have 3 cats, a 6 month old baby and a massive collection of Star Trek memorabilia. (100% true) But also, whatever you need to feel confident I can probably do!
Escrow profile Link:
Bitcoin Address: 3KVqfqHMcUVrTxPkGyJNuQ9NFBVcnsXdUt

For everyone's information: I loaned this user and all was settled - fully repaid. LFC_Bitcoin: please remove your negative trust.

Photobook was tagged as a scammer for asking for this loan. I loaned her (we chatted outside of bitcointalk, agreed on a loan amount/repayment date/repayment amount and I let her provide all the verification she was ready to provide) and she repaid fully as agreed.

This was the trust placed (not an attack of any kind against the placer - some would argue it was semi-understandable at the time, though I would call it too hastily placed):

https://i.imgur.com/bcKE2i0.png

It's an example of prematurely/hastily placed negative trust.

Title: Re: Forum Trust System: broken or not?
Post by: cryptohunter on March 21, 2019, 10:42:28 AM

Quote from: Coolcryptovator on March 21, 2019, 05:45:46 AM

This is why you should never be a merit source.
You simply do not have the capacity to recognise valuable information.

If a system is broken and this is demonstrated clearly based on the observable mechanisms upon which it is formed and the implications of those mechanisms, then there is NO POINT saying well you only mentioned it after the broken system failed you. As if that is some kind of rebuttal and reason to discredit the valuable information that could lead to the system being improved or fixed.

It is quite obvious most people will only realise something is fucked/broken when its failure has impact upon them personally. They may have no reason to notice before that.

Your post is largely a net negative contribution that I class as a faux rebuttal. Most of this crap gets a stack of merit too hence why that misleading dirt is net negative also.

We sold out free speech here to stop some ico spammers and account farmers.

Title: Re: Forum Trust System: broken or not?
Post by: marcotheminer on March 24, 2019, 05:21:49 AM

Bump

Title: Re: Forum Trust System: broken or not?
Post by: mikeywith on March 24, 2019, 10:31:07 AM

The trust system is not perfect , but what is broken is you getting a positive feedback for "Great trade!" And a few positives for renting a few DT's signature spaces, when there are other members who have traded hundreds of thousands of dollars on forum but have not had a planed/random deal with a DT member.

The trust system is far from perfect, but i worry more about meanginless and misleading positive feedback , i mentioned this before, you do not deserve a positive score, if you do , then what do others who repay their loans on time should get? There has to be something that differincnates you from more truthwothy members, maybe the current score is a bit too much, but it is much more reasonable than being positive.

Title: Re: Forum Trust System: broken or not?
Post by: FFrankie on March 24, 2019, 01:49:22 PM

Quote from: marcotheminer on March 24, 2019, 05:21:49 AM

Bump

Its not broken, because even though your tagged you still have a long history here. I would lend you micro/trivial amounts of btc. I would even trade with no escrow with QS even though he is -9999, the trust score really doesnt mean anything

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5123783.msg50276979#msg50276979

Edit: ^That doesnt look good

Checklist for scam:

Seeking no collateral loan
posting cut off screenshots
Promising returns with little to no risk
cant explain fully, but will explain to the "right" person

Title: Re: Forum Trust System: broken or not?
Post by: marlboroza on March 24, 2019, 10:36:22 PM

Quote from: killyou72 on March 24, 2019, 01:49:22 PM

I would even trade with no escrow with QS even though he is -9999, the trust score really doesnt mean anything

Logically because if you use escrow there is high possibility that quacky will scam you for escrow fees.

Quote from: killyou72 on March 24, 2019, 01:49:22 PM

Seeking no collateral loan
posting cut off screenshots
Promising returns with little to no risk
cant explain fully, but will explain to the "right" person

Maybe he is trying to run ponzi scheme?

Quote from: Quickseller on March 21, 2019, 06:32:49 AM

Escrow scammer talks about trust system and something about marketplace. Again. ::)

Quote from: marcotheminer on March 21, 2019, 07:41:29 AM

Here's another good example:

Well, I don't trust your example for some reasons (http://archive.is/sKwFB#selection-2871.0-2877.3).

Title: Re: Forum Trust System: broken or not?
Post by: marcotheminer on March 25, 2019, 01:59:35 AM

Quote from: marlboroza on March 24, 2019, 10:36:22 PM

Quote from: marcotheminer on March 21, 2019, 07:41:29 AM

Here's another good example:

Well, I don't trust your example for some reasons (http://archive.is/sKwFB#selection-2871.0-2877.3).

Hold on, you don't trust my link to a loan because 4 years ago I'm alleged to have had some alt accounts? You think I made photobook to use later as a "perfect example against my trust". Oh, the stories we could make based off forum replies :P

Title: Re: Forum Trust System: broken or not?
Post by: marcotheminer on April 17, 2019, 08:55:05 AM

Here's another example of stupid shit going on:

https://i.imgur.com/tvq7g5r.png

On user Vod: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=30747

Edit: it was also a counter on Anduck's profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=31931

https://i.imgur.com/oghEtfG.png

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: xolxol on April 17, 2019, 10:23:59 AM

if you are one of the mafia members and you've got red trusted they will do anything to reverse that,counter for what? counter strike? LOL

Title: Re: Forum Trust System: broken or not?
Post by: EcuaMobi on April 17, 2019, 12:39:18 PM

Quote from: marcotheminer on April 17, 2019, 08:55:05 AM

Here's another example of stupid shit going on:

[img ]https://i.imgur.com/tvq7g5r.png[/img]

On user Vod: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=30747

Edit: it was also a counter on Anduck's profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=31931

[img ]https://i.imgur.com/oghEtfG.png[/img]

Anduck and Vod left negative trust to each other. It's clear actmyname don't think they deserve that negative so he left counter feedback.
Theymos has said it's OK to do that if you strongly disagree with the left feedback.
Why is that stupid? A more complete description would have been better but that feedback is absolutely OK.

Title: Re: Forum Trust System: broken or not?
Post by: suchmoon on April 17, 2019, 02:24:12 PM

Quote from: marcotheminer on April 17, 2019, 08:55:05 AM

Here's another example of stupid shit going on:

Quote from: marcotheminer on April 17, 2019, 08:45:43 AM

How will I repay [...] ?: I will sell my altcoins worth on binance worth 0.033BTC. I will not provide as collateral

Now that's what I call stupid shit for a bright-red trusted user to do.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: OgNasty on April 17, 2019, 06:32:58 PM

Here's an example of the trust system's stupid shit. Last of the V8s (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=479624) claims I scammed 2,100 BTC. This is untrue, and yet some of the con-artists on DT have actually included this moron. Using this guy's logic, every single company or organization that has ever offered ownership and hasn't yet returned 100% of the stock's price in the form of a dividend measured by a volatile currency is a scam (spoiler alert: this is every publicly traded company in the world). They're literally making things up. It's this sort of ignorance that's dangerous and those who include them in DT to further their agenda need to be pushed out of the DT system if we're to restore any sense of legitimacy to the trust network.

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/slX48.jpeg (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=18321)

If you haven't added ~Last of the V8s to exclude this bottom feeder from your trust settings yet, you should. Those who have included this user should also take a long look at what sort of ignorance they're enabling and hopefully at some point the community will hold them accountable as well.

Edit:
Here's another user, Hellot (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=351430), who was trying to help scam me and is included into DT by other con-artists only because of their negative trust rating on my account. In the last 3 1/2 years, this user has left 3 users trust ratings. A negative rating to isoneguy who popped up and left a bunch of bogus negative ratings. A negative rating to me for not letting myself be scammed and a positive rating for minerjones.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=351430

~Hellot should also be added to exclude him from the trust network and those including his ratings should be looked at.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: TECSHARE on April 17, 2019, 09:03:25 PM

We need to enforce an objective standard of theft, violation of contractual agreement, or violation of applicable laws before negative rating. Unless we do these issues will only continue to get worse as more and more people seek to elevate their status by destroying the status of others indiscriminately as if they are trying to rank up in a game.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Vod on April 18, 2019, 12:11:43 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 17, 2019, 06:32:58 PM

Reminds me of when, years ago, I initially PMed you about including the moron Quickseller in your DT2 trust list.

You promptly told me he had done nothing wrong to you.

So why the hypocrisy here? "Last of the V8s" has done nothing wrong to everyone else... :/

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Quickseller on April 18, 2019, 12:16:08 AM

Quote from: Vod on April 18, 2019, 12:11:43 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 17, 2019, 06:32:58 PM

Reminds me of when, years ago, I initially PMed you about including the moron Quickseller in your DT2 trust list.

This is a weird thing to say....

Perhaps you can document or otherwise backup this....or is this something you are lying about?

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: OgNasty on April 18, 2019, 01:58:30 AM

Quote from: Vod on April 18, 2019, 12:11:43 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 17, 2019, 06:32:58 PM

A search of my PMs with you shows that you have messaged me about Quickseller multiple times over the years until I eventually blocked PMs from you. I don't believe I ever added him to my trust settings though and think you literally pulled that out of your ass, as I've reviewed our exchange of messages. You were crying about a trust feedback I left because we had a successful business deal even though I noted his prior bad behavior in my feedback, and explained why I left it anyway. This while continually asking me to leave you a trust rating and add you to my network while showering me with Merit at the time. Between that pathetic manipulation attempt failure escalating to you telling me that you'd add me to your distrust list unless I removed trust ratings for Anduck and Quickseller and if I did you would add me to your trust list, I really think you are part of the problem. For my part, I told you to..., blocked you, and kept the trust ratings even though this has resulted in me carrying a -1 DT rating and thus effecting me far more than the other parties involved. This is called integrity. Your latest comment of "has done nothing wrong to everyone else" is just an example of how you look the other way for those who support your agenda and is in no way related to anything I've said despite your fantasies otherwise. You really are a slimy user and I honestly think you and Blazed were the main causes of the old DT's failure. It is no surprise that you're still grasping for control and trying to bully people with the new system. If DT is so important to you that you're willing to bully others and minimize their contributions for some misguided revenge scheme, have at it. I won't fight you. However, I won't pretend you are a white knight either when you act like a slimy wannabe bully.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Vod on April 18, 2019, 02:05:52 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 18, 2019, 01:58:30 AM

This while continually asking me to leave you a trust rating and add you to my network while showering me with Merit at the time. Between that pathetic manipulation attempt failure escalating to you telling me that you'd add me to your distrust list unless I removed trust ratings for Anduck and Quickseller and if I did you would add me to your trust list

Show that PM thread - cause I am calling you a liar. (Hint: Our conversation was on Apr 6, 2018)

And since you didn't deny my accusation, I guess you are a hypocrite just like your moron Quickseller.

:/

Edit: Did I shower you with merit around april 6, 2018 (https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=OgNasty&from=Vod)?

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: marcotheminer on April 18, 2019, 05:08:36 AM

Vod, please smoke a fat blunt on 420. ;)

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Quickseller on April 18, 2019, 07:38:55 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 18, 2019, 01:58:30 AM

Quote from: Vod on April 18, 2019, 12:11:43 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 17, 2019, 06:32:58 PM

[...]You were crying about a trust feedback I left because we had a successful business deal even though I noted his prior bad behavior in my feedback, and explained why I left it anyway.

This probably explains why I have so many random trust exclusions, including by those who I have traded with and that have left trust feedback for me. It would also give credence to what TECSHARE was claiming (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095156.msg50509124#msg50509124) was happening to him.....this actually may be something that should be further researched in regards to TECHSHARE.

Quote from: OgNasty on April 18, 2019, 01:58:30 AM

This while continually asking me to leave you a trust rating and add you to my network while showering me with Merit at the time.

This sounds like both trust farming, trust list abuse, and merit abuse....by a merit source. It appears he has issued a negative rating against you in retaliation to your post, so perhaps we can add trust abuse to the list.

Quote from: OgNasty on April 18, 2019, 01:58:30 AM

You really are a slimy user and I honestly think you and Blazed were the main causes of the old DT's failure. It is no surprise that you're still grasping for control and trying to bully people with the new system. If DT is so important to you that you're willing to bully others and minimize their contributions for some misguided revenge scheme, have at it. I won't fight you. However, I won't pretend you are a white knight either when you act like a slimy wannabe bully.

I really don't understand why people take Vod seriously given his....condition. Even back in the day when theymos (in retrospect, it is likely this was actually BadBear) took seriously the integrity of DT, and the integrity of the ratings left by the DT network, Vod was often allowed to go unchecked in his egregious, erratic behavior.

Vod seems to have an obsession with the power associated with being on DT, similar to many others that are currently on DT today (which has made both the trust system and the forum as a whole very toxic). In 2015, BadBear threatened to exclude Vod from his trust list if Vod did not resolve the negative rating/issues he had with TECSHARE, which resulted in Vod quickly removing his negative rating to avoid being removed from DT (even though nothin had really changed) -- Vod would not have actually been removed from DT, he only did this because of his misunderstanding of how the system worked:

Quote from: Vod on May 28, 2015, 01:31:50 PM

Quote from: BadBear on May 28, 2015, 08:48:12 AM

I plan to exclude you from my trust list due to your feedback on tecshare. I gave you the benefit of the doubt at first, but the way you keep antagonizing, provoking, and holding it over his head has made it pretty clear it was left out of spite. If you don't want this, I would suggest you resolve your issues with him ASAP.

After thinking about it overnight, I took your "suggestion" to resolve my issues with Tecshare by removing my negative trust. After all, I didn't want to be excluded from your trust list and have three years of trust wiped out!

You thought I left him negative trust out of spite. That's your opinion and you could have left me negative trust over it, like every other decentralized member of this forum. That would have been the appropriate thing to do in the open system you claim to have. The fact that you planned to override the opinions of Tomatocage, dooglus, and every other person that may trust me in the future was an extreme overreaction. All the trust I earned over 3 years and one person can override it because of a perceived personality flaw? It made me realize I have grossly overstayed my welcome here. It also made me realize Tecshare was telling the truth about the trust system. :(

Unlike Tecshare, I will not be hanging around to whine and complain about this override switch the Depth 1 people have on the "decentralized" trust system. I have what I wanted and given what I wanted to Bitcoin, and I have not used this forum to make any money. I still have a few outstanding deals to pay out some coin, so I will be taking care of that, and then I will post my nice goodbye message and be gone for good within the next day or so.

I still respect you Badbear, but I can't respect this centralized trust system that you guys pass off as decentralized. Even though I did what you suggested, you may still exclude me out of "spite" for sending this PM. It would be pretty hypocritical to do so (spite is spite), but hey, the "buck stops with you", so you can do whatever you want. :-\ It's no longer my concern.

I wish the overall bitcoin community the best of luck. Take care.

Quote from: Quickseller on May 28, 2015, 02:22:12 PM

Quote from: Vod on May 28, 2015, 02:01:35 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on May 28, 2015, 01:59:38 PM

you would still be in default trust if BadBear were to exclude you. I believe hostfast excluded you and TC and Dooglus has you on their list. You need to have more people exclude you then who have you on their trust list so BadBear plus one additional person would need to exclude you in order for you to be off default trust.

Good luck with your new ventures. You will be missed :) hopefully you will still occasionally stop by every now and then.

I thought Theymos said if 2 people exclude you then you are out of default trust?

That is true for most people as most people are only on one person's trust list. Since you are on two peoples trust list, you would need to be excluded from three people's trust lists.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: OgNasty on April 18, 2019, 06:13:49 PM

Quote from: Vod on April 18, 2019, 02:05:52 AM

cause I am calling you a liar.

Quote from: Vod on April 18, 2019, 12:11:43 AM

Reminds me of when, years ago, I initially PMed you about including the moron Quickseller in your DT2 trust list.

You also claimed I had Quickseller in my DT2 trust list, which I don't believe is true. You'd have to prove that I had him there for a length of time to address me thinking that you are the liar.

I've avoided you for years on this forum and only reached out to you to offer sponsorship of your BPIP website, up until you started cherrypicking data to give yourself an artificially inflated score (see a trend yet?). Strangely, the merit stopped after that until I made a comment criticizing Lauda, who you have alluded to being a scammer but stated that you were unable to tag him without retaliation (has anyone awarded me merit more times than Vod, who thinks I'm a scammer?). It was at that point I realized that you'll do whatever it takes to inflate your perceived self worth, and I only wish I had seen it and blocked you sooner as any interaction with you on this forum is certain to be a negative time waste.

Quote from: Vod on April 18, 2019, 02:05:52 AM

And since you didn't deny my accusation, I guess you are a hypocrite just like your moron Quickseller.

Quote from: OgNasty on April 18, 2019, 01:58:30 AM

you literally pulled that out of your ass

How could I have been more clear? Clearly there is a moron involved here, I'm just not sure you realize who.

Quote from: Vod on April 18, 2019, 02:05:52 AM

Edit: Did I shower you with merit around april 6, 2018 (https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=OgNasty&from=Vod)?

Thanks for pulling this data. I see you did give me a merit on that date you mention, how weird you mention that date. It was on that day around a year ago you made the comment that I knew I would be in store for some drama. All of this dates back to not some imaginary DT2 inclusion, but because I left a trust feedback for Quickseller for a smooth and successful several thousand dollar deal. It was never a matter of if I would be able to avoid drama with you, it was only a matter of when you'd attack. Judging from the trust feedback you left me, we now have our answer. ;)

Quote from: Vod on April 07, 2018, 02:02:30 AM

You trust Quickseller, but not me?

EDIT:

Quote from: OgNasty on April 17, 2019, 06:32:58 PM

Here's an example of the trust system's stupid shit. Last of the V8s (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=479624) claims I scammed 2,100 BTC. This is untrue, and yet some of the con-artists on DT have actually included this moron. Using this guy's logic, every single company or organization that has ever offered ownership and hasn't yet returned 100% of the stock's price in the form of a dividend measured by a volatile currency is a scam (spoiler alert: this is every publicly traded company in the world). They're literally making things up. It's this sort of ignorance that's dangerous and those who include them in DT to further their agenda need to be pushed out of the DT system if we're to restore any sense of legitimacy to the trust network.

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/slaEZ.jpeg (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=18321)

If you haven't added ~Last of the V8s to exclude this bottom feeder from your trust settings yet, you should. Those who have included this user should also take a long look at what sort of ignorance they're enabling and hopefully at some point the community will hold them accountable as well.

Anyone else notice whenever I point out trust abuse, it seems to go ignored and I get attacked instead of my concern being responded to? I wonder why that is?

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: ibminer on April 18, 2019, 06:47:54 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 18, 2019, 06:13:49 PM

up until you started cherrypicking data to give yourself an artificially inflated score (see a trend yet?).

What is this "cherrypicking data" you speak of?

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: suchmoon on April 18, 2019, 07:00:25 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 18, 2019, 06:13:49 PM

Anyone else notice whenever I point out trust abuse, it seems to go ignored and I get attacked instead of my concern being responded to? I wonder why that is?

Because you're a narcissistic prick who perceives anyone not worshiping you as "abuse"? Just a hunch. Might be some other reason.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Vod on April 18, 2019, 07:54:49 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 18, 2019, 06:13:49 PM

I've avoided you for years on this forum and only reached out to you to offer sponsorship of your BPIP website, up until you started cherrypicking data to give yourself an artificially inflated score (see a trend yet?).

I see a trend with lying, yes. :( You did PM me about BPIP sponsorship, and after I put together a package you replied something like "derp derp most people take shares in nastymining". That is when we stopped talking. I'm not interested in your ponzi and BPIP shows all data. :)

Quote from: OgNasty on April 18, 2019, 06:13:49 PM

Judging from the trust feedback you left me, we now have our answer. ;)

To be clear, I left you negative feedback based on these lies. Had you provided proof I wrote those things to you, I would have removed my feedback.

- I asked you to leave me trust
- I asked you to add me to your trust network.
- I promised you I'd add you to my trust network if you removed profiles off yours.
- I showered you with merit to back up my requests.

You can't pass this off as trust abuse. I have legitimate concerns with your honesty.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: OgNasty on April 18, 2019, 11:15:09 PM

Quote from: Vod on April 18, 2019, 07:54:49 PM

I see a trend with lying, yes.

Me too. Let's take a look at who the liar is as it is crystal clear.

Quote from: Vod on April 18, 2019, 07:54:49 PM

:( You did PM me about BPIP sponsorship, and after I put together a package you replied something like "derp derp most people take shares in nastymining".

This is nothing more than a made up lie. I contacted you asking how much it would cost ME to sponsor your site. The PM is below. You never put together any sort of package for me or mentioned an amount in spite of my pressing, that is another lie. I also never offered you "shares in nastymining" as such a thing doesn't exist.

Quote from: OgNasty on October 15, 2018, 06:11:35 PM

How much would it cost to sponsor the site for a month? Just curious what I'd have to pay to get a NastyFans or NastyShop link/logo on there.

Quote from: Vod on April 18, 2019, 07:54:49 PM

That is when we stopped talking.

Let's take a look at when we stopped talking about the sponsorship.

Quote from: Vod on October 24, 2018, 07:08:24 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on October 19, 2018, 08:32:27 PM

Quote from: Vod on October 19, 2018, 08:28:42 PM

Ok. What is your advertising budget per month?

We have no costs of any kind associated with NastyFans. Everything is run off donations. It is a true community organization. That is why we cannot fail and only generate BTC for our members.

I have not forgotten about you. I'm just very busy right now cleaning the site up for production use - I've have a few people approach me now for services.

Seems like you were concerned only with advertising budgets to see how much you could fleece NastyFans for, not understanding that I was trying to sponsor you personally out of my own pocket and NastyFans isn't something that has a monthly marketing budget. I can see now I overestimated your reading comprehension skills. In any event, no package ever materialized like you mentioned above and this clearly shows that I did not offer you "nastymining shares" which was your stated reason for why we stopped talking.

Quote from: Vod on April 18, 2019, 07:54:49 PM

I'm not interested in your ponzi and BPIP shows all data. :)

Really? This is an odd quote for someone who was not interested...

Quote from: Vod on October 17, 2018, 08:39:52 PM

We need to work out an arrangement.

Quote from: Vod on April 18, 2019, 07:54:49 PM

You added me to your trusted network, contacted me to remove my ratings of Anduck & Quickseller or else you would distrust me. You also stated you would distrust anyone else that has left positive feedback for either party. You repeatedly made statements like the below, to the point where I had to explain to you ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS WHY I DIDN'T TRUST YOU.

Quote from: Vod on April 07, 2018, 02:02:30 AM

You trust Quickseller, but not me?

I certainly felt showered by all your merit at the time. Although I guess "showered" is up for interpretation.

Quote from: suchmoon on April 18, 2019, 07:00:25 PM

Because you're a narcissistic prick who perceives anyone not worshiping you as "abuse"? Just a hunch. Might be some other reason.

I don't expect anyone to worship me. I'm just a guy who has dedicated nearly of decade of his life to helping Bitcoin. I only take issue with people who attack provably honest community organizations with lies. Look at Hhampuz who called me names and contacted me on a private channel just to insult me so he could get screenshots to post here on the forum, I didn't even leave him negative trust. Even you suchmoon have made how many derogatory statements about me? Still, where's the negative trust? Seems maybe I'm not the one with razor thin skin using the trust network irrationally? Vod is clearly an emotional wreck shooting off distrust to anyone who doesn't bow to his commands. Maybe this is how you want this site's trust network to work. It's not what I had in mind when I was trying to maintain it.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Vod on April 18, 2019, 11:26:23 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 18, 2019, 11:15:09 PM

I'm just a guy who has dedicated nearly of decade of his life to helping Bitcoin. I only take issue with people who attack provably honest community organizations with lies.

I'm ALSO just a guy who has dedicated nearly of decade of his life to helping Bitcoin. I only take issue with people who attack provably honest community members with lies.

Quote from: OgNasty on April 18, 2019, 11:15:09 PM

Vod is clearly an emotional wreck shooting off distrust to anyone who doesn't bow to his commands.

My command is don't post lies about me. :)

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: suchmoon on April 18, 2019, 11:34:09 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 18, 2019, 11:15:09 PM

Look at Hhampuz who called me names and contacted me on a private channel just to insult me so he could get screenshots to post here on the forum, I didn't even leave him negative trust.

I agree, that's bizarre considering your neg trust for minifrij, owlcatz, eoakland, and other users for speaking out against you.

Quote from: OgNasty on April 18, 2019, 11:15:09 PM

Even you suchmoon have made how many derogatory statements about me? Still, where's the negative trust?

It's almost as if sometimes you're able to restrain yourself from abusing your DT position. Had you been able to do so consistently, maybe you wouldn't be here begging for others to exclude people who neg-rated you.

Quote from: OgNasty on April 18, 2019, 11:15:09 PM

Seems maybe I'm not the one with razor thin skin using the trust network irrationally?

Nope, you're still one of those.

Quote from: OgNasty on April 18, 2019, 11:15:09 PM

Vod is clearly an emotional wreck shooting off distrust to anyone who doesn't bow to his commands. Maybe this is how you want this site's trust network to work. It's not what I had in mind when I was trying to maintain it.

Your sent feedback tells a different story. Back then you probably didn't think you'd be held accountable. Now you need to keep reminding everyone how trustworthy you're supposed to be. That's not how trust works.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: OgNasty on April 18, 2019, 11:37:37 PM

Quote from: Vod on April 18, 2019, 11:26:23 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 18, 2019, 11:15:09 PM

I'm just a guy who has dedicated nearly of decade of his life to helping Bitcoin. I only take issue with people who attack provably honest community organizations with lies.

I'm ALSO just a guy who has dedicated nearly of decade of his life to helping Bitcoin. I only take issue with people who attack provably honest community members with lies.

Well, I just proved you are the liar attacking a honest community member with lies. Take your emotional issues up with yourself and leave me out of it.

Quote from: suchmoon on April 18, 2019, 11:34:09 PM

I agree, that's bizarre considering your neg trust for minifrij, owlcatz, eoakland, and other users for speaking out against you.

The abuse I received from those members I felt bordered on criminal, along with TMAN, so I feel very justified in my ratings. I don't share all the threatening PMs and emails I get, as I don't want to encourage the kind of stuff these people say to me, so I could see how someone would either make an incorrect judgement based on their own misconceptions and not having the full story, or flat out use my refusal to promote their abuse as a way to cast doubt on my intentions. I'll hope in your case it's the former, but I have my doubts.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Vod on April 18, 2019, 11:55:22 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 18, 2019, 11:37:37 PM

Well, I just proved you are the liar

Yes, and nutjobs like you prove the earth is flat every day. :)

I feel very justified in my rating towards you. You posted some lies about me, I asked you to produce the evidence. You didn't.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Quickseller on April 18, 2019, 11:57:19 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on April 18, 2019, 11:34:09 PM

I agree, that's bizarre considering your neg trust for minifrij, owlcatz, eoakland, and other users for speaking out against you.

It is interesting that all of those people have participated in at least one extortion scam.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: suchmoon on April 19, 2019, 12:18:45 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on April 18, 2019, 11:57:19 PM

It is interesting that all of those people have participated in at least one extortion scam.

It's also interesting that OgNasty's loyal defender participated in one or more self-escrow scams. Whataboutism is fun. Your turn.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 12:35:25 AM

Quote from: Vod on April 18, 2019, 11:55:22 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 18, 2019, 11:37:37 PM

Well, I just proved you are the liar

Yes, and nutjobs like you prove the earth is flat every day. :)

I feel very justified in my rating towards you. You posted some lies about me, I asked you to produce the evidence. You didn't.

You posted lies about me and I've proven that. I posted allegations about you that are very much supported by evidence, but you are irrationally emotional and unwilling to acknowledge the facts so you've now resulted to trolling me with ludicrous claims of flat-earthers? WTF? We're supposed to be representing the community that has set in motion the largest transfer of wealth in mankind's history. Your immaturity is shockingly frustrating.

I'm sure someone out there downloaded the DT trust lists and can show when Vod added me as trusted to try and influence me, then flipped me to untrusted when I didn't do what he wanted. Not that it matters, because lets face it, Vod isn't even disputing my claims and is just repeating lies while putting the onus on me to prove both sides. Disappointing, but again, this is why I've tried to avoid this irrational emotional user for the better part of a decade. Unfortunately I made the mistake of offering to sponsor his site, which is all it took to set me down a path of being labeled a scammer. People probably wonder why I don't try to sponsor more projects around here or why the established users eventually get chased off...

Quote from: Quickseller on April 18, 2019, 11:57:19 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on April 18, 2019, 11:34:09 PM

I agree, that's bizarre considering your neg trust for minifrij, owlcatz, eoakland, and other users for speaking out against you.

It is interesting that all of those people have participated in at least one extortion scam.

Not interesting at all for anyone who has been paying attention, except for why suchmoon keeps playing the loyal defender for these users' bad deeds.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: suchmoon on April 19, 2019, 01:02:38 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 12:35:25 AM

Not interesting at all for anyone who has been paying attention, except for why suchmoon keeps playing the loyal defender for these users' bad deeds.

Which bad deeds are those? Misunderstanding your vague post? Criticizing an item you were selling? Questioning your frivolous neg-trust for merely posting in your thread? Those were the triggers for your thin-skinned retaliatory ratings on the three users that I mentioned.

Latching on to Quicksy's extortion accusations was very convenient for you. Would be almost believable if not for the fact that you neg-rated those users only after you got into personal spats with them. So much for paying attention.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Quickseller on April 19, 2019, 02:40:33 AM

Their behavior, from the public point of view, somewhat resembles a shakedown that would be seen from the public point of view. They might not have been as explicit as they were in trying to extort zeroaxl because it didn’t go very well.

Although zeroaxl was not flaunting his money around, it was no secret he had some coins. Similarly, it is well known that OgN is an early adopter of bitcoin, although I have no idea how many coins he has.

Most of the people involved are known to do whatever they want without consequences and to have no morals. It should be noted that there isn’t any reasonable basis for the smears these people were saying and there was no claim any of them had any nonpublic information

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: suchmoon on April 19, 2019, 04:17:27 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on April 19, 2019, 02:40:33 AM

It's good to see that you don't even pretend to have any sort of consistency in how you evaluate OgNasty's actions vs actions of those whom you dislike. You're just rationalizing anything he does, no matter how petty it is. There was no "shakedown" in eoakland's case. User posts in OgNasty's thread (a favorable post BTW). OgNasty blows a fuse for some inexplicable reason and neg-trusts the user. User disputes the rating (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2337754). After some back-and-forth and some fumbling trying to sign a message, the user finally disproves the original excuse for the neg trust (being a bought account). OgNasty finds a bunch of other reasons to be insulted and to keep the neg trust.

Perhaps there is some convoluted way to explain this one instance, but when that happens repeatedly - e.g. when minifrij misunderstood Og's post and instead of "no, that's not what I meant" he got neg trust - you gotta start recognizing the pattern. Well, not you, but anyone who doesn't have their head so far up Og's ass.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 04:47:56 AM

Quote from: suchmoon on April 19, 2019, 01:02:38 AM

Latching on to Quicksy's extortion accusations was very convenient for you. Would be almost believable if not for the fact that you neg-rated those users only after you got into personal spats with them. So much for paying attention.

I was in the slack group and in communication with all parties while the extortion attempt was occurring. You on the other hand blindly support the guilty parties. The extortion attempt only happened as a misguided attempt of Lauda’s to try and make it appear that I had sold a large amount of seats on a public auction that was purchased with ill-gotten money (proven not to be true). I question your motives each time you try and push a false view of my efforts for this community, which is quite frequent. The extortion attempt on Zeroxal was 100% an attack on me because Lauda was jealous that I had raised the funds for NastyMining to install a solar array and I don’t know why you and others fail to grasp this simple fact.

I really don’t know why I feed the trolls at this point. It’s obvious the intent here is to bury Vod’s bad behavior so that he can get away with his lies and trust abuse while those who support his inclusion in DT can pretend they didn’t know what Vod was doing.

As for your other nonsense above, eoakland was sending me all sorts of threats, none of which he acted on, so he clearly isn’t a user of his word. It’s weird you think I should not distrust someone who does such things.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: TMAN on April 19, 2019, 05:07:11 AM

Come on guys this fighting is just pointless, we get it QS and OG hate me, Lauda, suchmoon,VOD and many others. Why not try to resolve this by PM or just ignore each other? Public spats like this by such old members is counter productive to the forum.

Kiss and make up isn’t going to happen, but this childish back and forth on threads is almost as bad as cryptohunter and the incessant rambling

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Vod on April 19, 2019, 05:11:39 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 04:47:56 AM

I really don’t know why I feed the trolls at this point. It’s obvious the intent here is to bury Vod’s bad behavior so that he can get away with his lies and trust abuse while those who support his inclusion in DT can pretend they didn’t know what Vod was doing.

Well, let's not let it get buried!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5122617.msg50652615#msg50652615

Since you posted that, I can no longer trust your opinion on anything, bozo.

:)

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: FFrankie on April 19, 2019, 05:12:10 AM

I think you guys all need some killyou in your lifes, someone should add me back to the slack group

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: suchmoon on April 19, 2019, 05:14:26 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 04:47:56 AM

I question your motives each time you try and push a false view of my efforts for this community, which is quite frequent.

I question your motives for lying about my motives, because I have clearly stated on numerous occasions why I don't trust you and that has nothing to do with the extortion accusations. You're always trying to deflect to that, which sounds disingenuous because you didn't neg-trust those users at the time when you became aware of those actions that made you so alarmed many months later.

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 04:47:56 AM

As for your other nonsense above, eoakland was sending me all sorts of threats, none of which he acted on, so he clearly isn’t a user of his word. It’s weird you think I should not distrust someone who does such things.

Considering that the whole debacle started due to your frivolous baseless neg trust - yes, I think you should have stepped back and removed the rating.

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 04:47:56 AM

It’s obvious the intent here is to bury Vod’s bad behavior so that he can get away with his lies and trust abuse while those who support his inclusion in DT can pretend they didn’t know what Vod was doing.

Perhaps you should start a grievance thread about Vod. This one is generic enough for any "stupid shit" so I don't think you can steer it the way you want.

Quote from: TMAN on April 19, 2019, 05:07:11 AM

Shut up princess, let me have my pillow fight. It's the first day in weeks that I have a few hours of free time... which reminds me, need to go finish something... crap. Laters.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: TMAN on April 19, 2019, 05:36:20 AM

Quote from: suchmoon on April 19, 2019, 05:14:26 AM

Shut up princess, let me have my pillow fight. It's the first day in weeks that I have a few hours of free time... which reminds me, need to go finish something... crap. Laters.

Brilliant... Just spilled coffee all over myself.. fucking love you.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 05:44:45 AM

Quote from: Vod on April 19, 2019, 05:11:39 AM

Since you posted that, I can no longer trust your opinion on anything, bozo.

I never did trust you, but you obviously knew that or you wouldn't have questioned me about it so many times. How many times have you switched back and forth from trusting to distrusting me now? :D (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdzdgwfYV94)

Some of Vod's lies, more to come:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5122617.msg50665442#msg50665442

This spat is doing an excellent job of displaying "the Trust System's Stupid Shit" as is clear for everyone to see. All in good fun, unless you're Vod or others who seem to be getting a little emotional and pulling out the kindergarten words.

suchmoon, I have no idea why you don't trust me. I'm sure you probably have mentioned it on numerous occasions but you've also said so many things that aren't true about me, I'm not sure why you think I should concern myself. Maybe if I talked with you a bit and got a chance to know what you do for Bitcoin outside of posting on this forum, I might have a better opinion of you as I currently have no idea. Mostly I try to avoid you and only respond to your false allegations when I happen to see them, so I only know of you as a troll and that probably isn't fair to you. Hugs!

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: marcotheminer on April 19, 2019, 05:49:41 AM

Quote from: TMAN on April 19, 2019, 05:07:11 AM

Because you guys make up your mind and boom - it's set in concrete.

Anyway ... this is what happens when trust list powers grow too large and too quickly, we have members "verifying the honesty" of others. AKA policing everyone ::) Things are out of control as they stand. All this bickering proves that.

Feel free to reply to this to get some signature payouts ;)

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Vod on April 19, 2019, 06:07:23 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 05:44:45 AM

I never did trust you

So you pretended to be my friend in PMs for years, so you could gather more info on me and beg for free ponzi advertising?

Others should pay attention...

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Quickseller on April 19, 2019, 07:08:48 AM

Quote from: suchmoon on April 19, 2019, 04:17:27 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on April 19, 2019, 02:40:33 AM

I am saying all of the people in question are very deserving a negative ratings.

I would be surprised to see that it just so happens that a close nit group of people, all of which have a history of extortion just so happen to all have constant run-ins with OgN. With the exception of eoakland, the underlying root cause may very well be an extortion attempt, as according to OgN, their extortion attempt was related to harming his reputation. Even if this is not the case, they are all criminals, and others should be warned.

In regards to eoakland, I perhaps disagree with the stated reason for the rating, but it is perhaps possible, given his history of extortion, after his initial run-in with OgN, one/more member(s) of the group of extortionists approached eoakland to help with their apparent shakedown. Regardless if that actually happened, he did try to extort Johny1976 in 2015, according to Johny, which looking at the evidence looks to be true.

It is pointless to dispute the "reason" for a rating when the underlying negative rating is appropriate. It is ridiculous to give the OP a negative rating for repaying a loan late when it is repaid, with penalty interest -- the negative ratings he received for this was really little more than a bunch of people wanting to show him who is the "boss". However his patterns of taking out loans of increasing sizes, with an attempt to take out of $10k (EUR) loan is consistent with an attempt to pull an exit scam, although perhaps this may be re-evaluated in the future.

Another good example of ridiculousness of those in charge of the trust system is this guy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5132965.0;all), who posted about a giveaway being done by a company he likely doesn't have any affiliation with. Many people piled on with negative ratings after he was unable to produce proof of funds, and he was laughed at when he tried defending himself. It took me not more than 15 minutes of research to determine (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5132965.msg50651606#msg50651606) that the company hosting the giveaway reasonably does have the money to payout the giveaway, research that no one giving the rating even bothered attempting. He locked his thread disputing his rating, but I am going to guess he has abandoned his account and probably the forum, really for no reason, or at least no legitimate reason.

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 05:44:45 AM

suchmoon, [...] Maybe if I talked with you a bit and got a chance to know what you do for Bitcoin outside of posting on this forum,

I am fairly confident she does not do anything for bitcoin off the forum....or on the forum for that matter.

This is also true for Vod, all he does is troll transparently obvious scammers who frankly don't have any real chance of stealing anyone's money. I somewhat suspect some people create newbie accounts to "attempt" obvious scams they know vod will see - and troll - just for the lulz. I suspect the number of people he has actually helped is fairly small.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: hacker1001101001 on April 19, 2019, 07:14:06 AM

Quote from: Vod on April 19, 2019, 06:07:23 AM

-snip-

Vod, can you please sort this out with OgNasty. I hate to see a forum donator and a forum treasurer to have that type of trust score.

Hampering others repo does not seem right to me from your part, he is basically a trusted member and also trusted by the forum to hold large amount of funds and it should reflect in his trust socre for default trust list users atleast.

Peace ! ::)

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Quickseller on April 19, 2019, 07:21:50 AM

Quote from: hacker1001101001 on April 19, 2019, 07:14:06 AM

Quote from: Vod on April 19, 2019, 06:07:23 AM

-snip-

Vod is trying to stoke his own ego, and is upset that OgN refused to do the same.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Vod on April 19, 2019, 07:51:59 AM

Quote from: hacker1001101001 on April 19, 2019, 07:14:06 AM

he is basically a trusted member and also trusted by the forum to hold large amount of funds

He is not a trusted member to me. For whatever reason, he woke up in a bad mood and decided to claim I trade trust. When asked for PM evidence, he ignored me. Then to bury my accusation he called me a liar. :/

You can hold money for other people and still be a liar.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: minifrij on April 19, 2019, 10:09:36 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on April 19, 2019, 07:08:48 AM

I am saying all of the people in question are very deserving a negative ratings

Quote from: Quickseller on April 19, 2019, 07:08:48 AM

all of which have a history of extortion just so happen to all have constant run-ins with OgN

I really wish you would stop telling lies about me, the same goes to OgNasty.

I've never extorted anyone, and I think you have to be quite literally mentally challenged to believe so. Thank fucking god that the rest of the forum has finally started to realize what insufferable parasites you both are.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: suchmoon on April 19, 2019, 11:28:06 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on April 19, 2019, 07:08:48 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 05:44:45 AM

suchmoon, [...] Maybe if I talked with you a bit and got a chance to know what you do for Bitcoin outside of posting on this forum,

I am fairly confident she does not do anything for bitcoin off the forum....or on the forum for that matter.

Awesome. You two finally found something to make you feel better while brushing off my criticism. What I weirdly specific criteria, to do something for Bitcoin off the forum... like taking bitcoins from known scammers to sue other forum members, or running ponzi schemes, that kind of thing?

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: marcotheminer on April 19, 2019, 03:18:24 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on April 19, 2019, 11:28:06 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on April 19, 2019, 07:08:48 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 05:44:45 AM

suchmoon, [...] Maybe if I talked with you a bit and got a chance to know what you do for Bitcoin outside of posting on this forum,

I am fairly confident she does not do anything for bitcoin off the forum....or on the forum for that matter.

Does every single one of your replies need to be snarky or with an included jab? It makes you look dumb.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: suchmoon on April 19, 2019, 03:24:34 PM

Quote from: marcotheminer on April 19, 2019, 03:18:24 PM

Does every single one of your replies need to be snarky or with an included jab? It makes you look dumb.

I am dumb. Joke's on you.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 06:05:36 PM

Quote from: Vod on April 19, 2019, 06:07:23 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 05:44:45 AM

I never did trust you

So you pretended to be my friend in PMs for years, so you could gather more info on me and beg for free ponzi advertising?

Others should pay attention...

Damn, everything you say is a lie. I didn't respect you before, but now I see you are no better than the pigs you lie with. I contacted you asking how much it would cost and never asked for anything free from you. I even proved that already with quotes. You never gave me an amount and then claim I was begging for free advertising? It's like you're repeating one outrageous lie after another, hoping that I'll stoop to your level and justify your ridiculously juvenile usage of the trust system. Unfortunately, you're digging your own hole with this one buddy. Keep digging though, I like it. :) These types of ponzi quotes aren't going to age well, but like I said in my message to you, I'm glad you've finally shown me your true colors. Funny to know apparently there is a price you'd be willing to accept to advertise an organization you believed to be a Ponzi... Trust abuse like this will need to continue happening for DT to get fixed to being a legitimate system, and I'm thankful for those who work tirelessly make this crystal clear. Thanks guys!

I never pretended to be your friend. You reached out to me repeatedly trying to get on my trust network and I told you no, over and over again while explaining why I don't trust you. If that's what you consider a friend, I truly feel sorry for you Vod.

Maybe people should take it easy on Vod for a while. Seems like he's had a rough couple of months trying to damage the reputation of longtime established members in the Bitcoin community. It's clearly taking it's toll on him mentally and emotionally. Even his own recognition rating system has me rated higher than him, which has to hurt his ego. Last time that happened he changed the algorithm of his site to give him a higher ranking, I'm sure he's probably working on a new algorithm as we speak. :D

Quote from: minifrij on April 19, 2019, 10:09:36 AM

I've never extorted anyone, and I think you have to be quite literally mentally challenged to believe so.

Surely wasn't the type of talking you were doing in Slack the night of the extortion. Almost comical how much your tune has changed. You owe me & Zeroxal an apology for your role in supporting the failed extortion attempt as well as the lies you've repeated about me since and denials only show that you think your behavior is acceptable, which it isn't.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: minifrij on April 19, 2019, 06:34:13 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 06:05:36 PM

Surely wasn't the type of talking you were doing in Slack the night of the extortion. Almost comical how much your tune has changed.

Go on then laughing boy, what was the type of talking I was doing? Can you provide some examples? Or should people just believe you because you are the big great OgNasty, that no mere mortal should ever dare question?

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 06:05:36 PM

You owe me & Zeroxal an apology for your role in supporting the failed extortion attempt as well as the lies you've repeated about me since and denials only show that you think your behavior is acceptable, which it isn't.

I've never even had anything like extortion suggested with you, so not sure which crevice you're pulling that chestnut from.

I've given you an apology in the past, regarding the way I would personally insult you, which I stood by until you continuously tried to pin me as some sort of criminal or scammer - neither of which I am. Considering that you keep trying to personally disrespect me by spreading lies about me, I'm by no means going to give you any respect. That will be the last, and only apology you get from me.

To Zeroxal: I'm sorry. I'm sorry that the whole thing happened to you, and I'm sorry that you had to go through what you did. And I'm sorry for if I had any part of it. While I know you will never read this, but I hope that you accept my apology and we can put this whole thing (that you seem to have already moved on from, two years ago) behind us.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 06:43:58 PM

Quote from: minifrij on April 19, 2019, 06:34:13 PM

I've given you an apology in the past, regarding the way I would personally insult you, which I stood by until you continuously tried to pin me as some sort of criminal or scammer - neither of which I am. Considering that you keep trying to personally disrespect me by spreading lies about me, I'm by no means going to give you any respect. That will be the last, and only apology you get from me.

Yet you continue to insult me and spread lies just like your buddy suchmoon. What good is an apology if you keep doing the same bad behavior? It just shows that you recognize what you're doing is wrong, but you continue anyway. That's not really honest behavior now is it?

Quote from: minifrij on April 19, 2019, 06:34:13 PM

To Zeroxal: I'm sorry. I'm sorry that the whole thing happened to you, and I'm sorry that you had to go through what you did. And I'm sorry for if I had any part of it. While I know you will never read this, and by writing this I'm making Og's e-peen inflate to dangerous levels, I hope that you accept my apology and we can put this whole thing (that you seem to have already moved on from, two years ago) behind us.

Progress friend. You were 1/2 way there to admitting your mistake and asking forgiveness from those who you wronged. Maybe with some more time you'll get there. Why do you think Zeroxal will never read this? Do you know something I don't? ;)

EDIT: Apologizes and then asks for more evidence of the beaten horse? LOL. Clearly not enough time has passed yet.

I am very much curious by the "While I know you will never read this" line. Please expand on what you meant by that. It is extremely relevant to this discussion.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: minifrij on April 19, 2019, 07:07:26 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 06:43:58 PM

...

*Ignores the part of my message where I ask him for proof of his claims*
Now that's a man with integrity.

The rest is meaningless belittlement, so not worth my time to respond to.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Vod on April 19, 2019, 07:25:48 PM

Quote from: minifrij on April 19, 2019, 07:07:26 PM

*Ignores the part of my message where I ask him for proof of his claims*
Now that's a man with integrity.

https://i.imgflip.com/2z03p9.jpg

It's OK for him to believe I cherry pick my data, but not OK for me to believe he begs for free advertising for his ponzi? What an ego...

What is not OK is saying I try to trade trust. Lying is the reason his trust score keeps dropping.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 07:42:53 PM

Quote from: Vod on April 19, 2019, 07:25:48 PM

It's OK for him to believe I cherry pick my data, but not OK for me to believe he begs for free advertising for his ponzi? What an ego...

What is not OK is saying I try to trade trust. Lying is the reason his trust score keeps dropping.

1) I don't run a Ponzi.
2) I never asked you for free advertising.
3) I never accused you of trading trust, I accused you of begging me for mine.
4) Nothing to do with an ego, but everything to do with you being a liar.
5) Abuse of the trust system is why from your perspective my trust scored dropped.

5 lies in 4 sentences. You're awesome Vod! Keep it up! Bury them dirty deeds my friend. I'm sure your insecure use of the trust system and harassment of established members that actually help the Bitcoin community won't come back to haunt you at all. Don't you have an algorithm to adjust or something? Maybe you can apologize for lying and then ask for evidence like your buddy. :D

Quote from: minifrij on April 19, 2019, 06:34:13 PM

To Zeroxal: I'm sorry. I'm sorry that the whole thing happened to you, and I'm sorry that you had to go through what you did. And I'm sorry for if I had any part of it. While I know you will never read this, but I hope that you accept my apology and we can put this whole thing (that you seem to have already moved on from, two years ago) behind us.

Everybody just going to pretend that minifrij didn't allude to Zeroxal being unable to ever check the forum again without providing an explanation while acknowledging he played a role in the extortion harassment before backpedaling?

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Vod on April 19, 2019, 07:46:21 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 07:42:53 PM

5 lies in 4 sentences. You're awesome Vod! Keep it up!

Lies?

You believe I cherry pick data.
I believe you run a ponzi.

Get over yourself. :)

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: minifrij on April 19, 2019, 07:47:06 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 06:43:58 PM

EDIT: Apologizes and then asks for more evidence of the beaten horse? LOL. Clearly not enough time has passed yet.

Like your friend Quickseller, reading comprehension is clearly not your strong point. I'll let you figure it out.

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 07:42:53 PM

Everybody just going to pretend that minifrij didn't just allude to Zeroxal being unable to ever check the forum again without providing an explanation or acknowledge he played a role in the extortion harassment?

He hasn't logged in for a month, and didn't pay much attention to forum matters (from what I can remember) when he was active. Chances are, he will never come to this thread and read what I said unless he is prompted to do so (and sees said prompt).

Use yer noggin. I know critical thinking (or reading, apparently) isn't your forte, but a baby could figure out what I meant there.

Yawn.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 07:57:50 PM

Quote from: Vod on April 19, 2019, 07:46:21 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 07:42:53 PM

5 lies in 4 sentences. You're awesome Vod! Keep it up!

Lies?

You believe I cherry pick data.
I believe you run a ponzi.

Get over yourself. :)

The difference is you do cherry pick data for your little rating system and that's a provable fact, which is funny because even the cherry picked data doesn't give you a high rank anymore so you've resorted to attacking established members to try and elevate yourself. How sad for the community as a whole. :D

I don't run a Ponzi. This is also a provable fact. Keep spreading lies. That'll look great for your reputation in the future. Keep digging. I'll keep handing you back the shovel.

I'll also alert Zeroxal to this thread so he can see minifrij's apology. I'm sure after all the harassment he received that night, even after so much time, an apology from one of the guilty parties will probably go a long way.

Don't forget that Vod is a liar (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5122617.msg50665442#msg50665442).

Quote from: Vod on April 19, 2019, 08:00:37 PM

So....

You believe I cherry pick data.
I believe you run a ponzi.

Get over yourself................................

Repeat the lies as much as you want in whatever childish fashion you see fit. LOL. I'm not going to leave you negative trust for it. You're sitting in that hole alone buddy. :D

Remember when you told me that you'll never stop harassing Quickseller because he called you a pedophile? You're the one with the thin skin for personal insults. Thank you for illuminating the difference between us.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Vod on April 19, 2019, 08:00:37 PM

So....

You believe I cherry pick data.
I believe you run a ponzi.

Get over yourself................................

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Lesbian Cow on April 19, 2019, 08:35:13 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on April 18, 2019, 07:00:25 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 18, 2019, 06:13:49 PM

Anyone else notice whenever I point out trust abuse, it seems to go ignored and I get attacked instead of my concern being responded to? I wonder why that is?

Because you're a narcissistic prick who perceives anyone not worshiping you as "abuse"? Just a hunch. Might be some other reason.

I believe this is the correct answer

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Vod on April 19, 2019, 08:40:30 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 07:57:50 PM

Remember when you told me that you'll never stop harassing Quickseller because he called you a pedophile? You're the one with the thin skin for personal insults. Thank you for illuminating the difference between us.

Remember when you told me that half your nastymining income was going to personal expenses?

:/

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 08:40:51 PM

Quote from: Lesbian Cow on April 19, 2019, 08:35:13 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on April 18, 2019, 07:00:25 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 18, 2019, 06:13:49 PM

Anyone else notice whenever I point out trust abuse, it seems to go ignored and I get attacked instead of my concern being responded to? I wonder why that is?

Because you're a narcissistic prick who perceives anyone not worshiping you as "abuse"? Just a hunch. Might be some other reason.

I believe this is the correct answer

Having self esteem and being proud of one's contributions is reason to harass and distrust someone? We have very different ways of thinking. Hopefully you don't ever accomplish anything you're proud of, I'd hate to see you attacked by these types of characters. Your opinion might change.

I'm still trying to figure out why you willingly send me thousand of dollars with no escrow, but claim not to trust me? It's almost like your ratings have an ulterior motive outside of who you actually trust. Want to sell me that silver back at spot by the way?

Quote from: Vod on April 19, 2019, 08:40:30 PM

Remember when you told me that half your nastymining income was going to personal expenses?

Oh shit, I nearly fell out of my chair laughing. All NastyMining's mined coins are mined directly to the NastyFans donation address. I literally never touch them until I receive a distribution for my shares that I purchased with my own BTC. This is all public and provable. I guess you're escalating the lies you're telling now? You can see I'm even mining on a 3rd party and everything is public on the blockchain, so... (https://www.nicehash.com/miner/1NastyFRkeUTmMdbMmzggDVTQA6r3ibUoX) I guess we can watch as Vod's lies escalate in a pathetic attempt to receive retaliatory feedback so he doesn't look like such an immature pathetic individual. Sorry. Bathe in your regret Vod.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: actisstupidname on April 19, 2019, 08:41:12 PM

TL;DR

It's all about tribes fighting each other incessantly.

Principles and policies are out the door. The trust system is indeed broken. Woe to innocent newbies, just go to alternate and friendlier forums.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Lesbian Cow on April 19, 2019, 08:51:46 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 08:40:51 PM

Quote from: Lesbian Cow on April 19, 2019, 08:35:13 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on April 18, 2019, 07:00:25 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 18, 2019, 06:13:49 PM

Anyone else notice whenever I point out trust abuse, it seems to go ignored and I get attacked instead of my concern being responded to? I wonder why that is?

Because you're a narcissistic prick who perceives anyone not worshiping you as "abuse"? Just a hunch. Might be some other reason.

I believe this is the correct answer

Quote from: Vod on April 19, 2019, 08:40:30 PM

Remember when you told me that half your nastymining income was going to personal expenses?

Oh shit, I nearly fell out of my chair laughing. All NastyMining funds are mined directly to the NastyFans donation address. I literally never touch them until I receive a distribution for my shares that I purchased with my own BTC. This is all public and provable. I guess you're escalating the lies you're telling now? You can see I'm even mining on a 3rd party and everything is public on the blockchain, so... (https://www.nicehash.com/miner/1NastyFRkeUTmMdbMmzggDVTQA6r3ibUoX) I guess we can watch as Vod's lies escalate in a pathetic attempt to receive retaliatory feedback so he doesn't look like such an immature pathetic individual. Sorry. Bathe in your regret Vod.

I trust you with money, 100%. I do not trust your judgement of others anymore. You honestly feel it was ok for Quickseller to escrow, for a fee, trades involving one of his alt accounts. That is messed up man, and you should know it.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Vod on April 19, 2019, 08:56:52 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 08:40:51 PM

Quote from: Vod on April 19, 2019, 08:40:30 PM

Remember when you told me that half your nastymining income was going to personal expenses?

Well, that's all wonderful and nice, but do you remember when you told me that half your nastymining income was going to personal expenses?

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: DireWolfM14 on April 19, 2019, 09:03:14 PM

Quote from: Vod on April 19, 2019, 08:56:52 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 08:40:51 PM

Quote from: Vod on April 19, 2019, 08:40:30 PM

Remember when you told me that half your nastymining income was going to personal expenses?

Well, that's all wonderful and nice, but do you remember when you told me that half your nastymining income was going to personal expenses?

Now now, boys. Semantics; Maybe OgNasty did say half of his NastyMining income is going to personal expenses, but that's not the same thing as half of NastyMining's income going to OgNasty's personal expenses.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Vod on April 19, 2019, 09:06:30 PM

Quote from: DireWolfM14 on April 19, 2019, 09:03:14 PM

OG wants to play the the "remember when?" game. :)

That's where you indirectly accuse someone of something by asking a question. The key is to make the question so close to the truth so that as many people as possible believe it.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 09:13:38 PM

Quote from: Lesbian Cow on April 19, 2019, 08:51:46 PM

Well, then let me educate you how the trust system works since you don't understand. If you trust someone with your money, you leave them a trust rating reflecting as such. If you don't trust their judgement of others, you exclude them from your network. Unless of course your motive is to try and damage someone's reputation and not have an honest trust system, then you troll them on the forum for years and don't leave them trust even though you trust them with your money.

It's a lie that I feel it was ok for Quickseller to escrow. I don't. I think it wasn't as bad as minerjones doxxing Canaryinthemine or minerjones allowing TMAN to manipulate his own auctions minerjones was hosting, so I don't feel he should be trolled for all eternity over it. I don't support what he did, and certainly don't think it was OK. I think it was a misguided attempt to hide his personal info and he's been punished for it. His rep doesn't disappear because I made a deal with him. He also has positive ratings from others, so why am I the only one who is singled out and harassed because of it. The whole thing stinks of ulterior motives and it isn't exactly hard to see for those who take the time to read.

I honestly don't understand why you guys try so hard to connect me to Quickseller to the point you keep spreading these lies. You're blowing smoke up the community's ass and expecting everyone to believe there's fire.

Let me turn the tables on you... Lauda did a non-transparent escrow with minerjones and Blazed that resulted in the claimed losses of millions of dollars for investors. Do you feel that is better than Quickseller trying to hide his address and refunding the users their fees? I'm just trying to understand why some users can rip off the community for millions, be completely non-transparent, make the unilateral decision to release funds to the scammer, give no compensation while profiting from their role in the scam, and that's fine with you. Help me understand.

Quote from: DireWolfM14 on April 19, 2019, 09:03:14 PM

I don't have NastyMining income. I literally receive 0 directly from NastyMining as it all goes to NastyFans, so I know this is a lie by Vod. He doesn't even grasp the structure enough for his lies to make any sense. I'm glad that people are starting to see the lies though.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Quickseller on April 19, 2019, 09:16:56 PM

Quote from: Vod on April 19, 2019, 09:06:30 PM

Quote from: DireWolfM14 on April 19, 2019, 09:03:14 PM

You literally just accused him of being a scammer for spending his own money....

I am not sure what kind of twisted logic you had to use to come to this conclusion.

I don’t think the trust system is even worth debating with you considering you don’t even understand how it works and your denying of facts that don’t support your position and your outright fabrications. Most people abandon their accounts (and often the forum) after you troll them and don’t bother to address their defenses.

OgN is right in saying that you only care about your ranking to stroke your ego. You would troll TECSHARE for months, only to stop when threatened with an exclusion from BadBear, which caused you to quickly remove the ratings against him. You will do whatever it takes to increase your stats here, regardless of how anyone else is affected.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Lesbian Cow on April 19, 2019, 09:29:01 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 09:13:38 PM

Quote from: Lesbian Cow on April 19, 2019, 08:51:46 PM

Quote from: DireWolfM14 on April 19, 2019, 09:03:14 PM

You don't understand the trust system. I have not left you negative trust, I have eliminated you from my trust list as I do not trust your opinion of others.

Edit to add: Lauda is nowhere on my trust list. Also, I am not familiar with this Lauda/blazed/minerjones thing you reference. If it is ICO stuff, i stay away. Point me to it and I will have a read.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Vod on April 19, 2019, 09:35:14 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 09:13:38 PM

I honestly don't understand why you guys try so hard to connect me to Quickseller

It's hard to ignore when you shower him with merit (https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?from=OgNasty&to=Quickseller). :/

7 already today lol

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: actisstupidname on April 19, 2019, 09:36:30 PM

Quote from: Lesbian Cow on April 19, 2019, 08:51:46 PM

This is some messed up logic. Money changes everything. Friendships get destroyed because of money issues. Monetary trust is the highest form of trust. That's why sites with feedback systems sees this as a vital part of their service. Even Bitcointalk USED TO allude to monetary trust (Trade with caution red tag).

Theymos should remove that statement in the red tag. It's a lie. The Trust System has become "How I feel about this user." How Millennial.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 09:38:07 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 09:13:38 PM

Quote from: Lesbian Cow on April 19, 2019, 08:51:46 PM

I trust you with money, 100%.

Well, then let me educate you how the trust system works since you don't understand. If you trust someone with your money, you leave them a trust rating reflecting as such.

Quote from: Lesbian Cow on April 19, 2019, 09:29:01 PM

You don't understand the trust system.

OK...

Quote from: Lesbian Cow on April 19, 2019, 09:29:01 PM

Edit to add: Lauda is nowhere on my trust list

It's cool for the other 2 to take part in the non-transparent escrow and profit from the loss of others though? Just pointing out that you're a hypocrite is all. Quickseller at least refunded the users he wronged... minerjones took a European vacation while his escrow was resulting in the loss of millions of dollars in other users' funds. All good though, right? ::)

Yes, this is real stupid shit that is actually occurring in the trust system.

Quote from: Vod on April 19, 2019, 09:35:14 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 09:13:38 PM

I honestly don't understand why you guys try so hard to connect me to Quickseller

It's hard to ignore when you shower him with merit (https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?from=OgNasty&to=Quickseller). :/

7 already today lol

Maybe I'm warming him up to ask him to make changes to his trust list. :D I learn from the ~~best~~, wait, I mean I learn from the failures of others, so no, I just agree with his opinion as it seems you're the most insecure person on the forum.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Vod on April 19, 2019, 09:42:05 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 09:38:07 PM

I mean I learn from the failures of others, so no, I just agree with his opinion as it seems you're the most insecure person on the forum.

So you learned how to fail and built your ponzi mining operation? :(

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 09:38:07 PM

Quickseller at least refunded the users he wronged...

No, he didn't. Quicksy also doesn't have DT pull, so stop kissing his ass. ;D

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: suchmoon on April 19, 2019, 09:48:16 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 09:38:07 PM

I just agree with his opinion

Sending merits because you agree with his opinion? I hope you're not a merit source.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Vod on April 19, 2019, 09:50:37 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on April 19, 2019, 09:48:16 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 09:38:07 PM

I just agree with his opinion

Sending merits because you agree with his opinion? I hope you're not a merit source.

I agree with that, and I was tempted to merit you, but that would mean I'm begging for trust, according to OG...

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Lesbian Cow on April 19, 2019, 09:52:52 PM

Quote from: actisstupidname on April 19, 2019, 09:36:30 PM

Quote from: Lesbian Cow on April 19, 2019, 08:51:46 PM

You have not read anything. I have no red tag on OgNasty. I have never left them negative trust.

I have excluded them from my personal trust list as I do not trust their opinions of others as they support Quickseller who admittedly stole escrow fees from trusting customers.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 10:01:30 PM

Quote from: Vod on April 19, 2019, 09:42:05 PM

So you learned how to fail and built your ponzi mining operation? :(

Keep digging.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51eLSwhcFIL.jpg

When will you be unveiling the new algorithm for BPIP? I know you can't be happy as the #23 most recognized account. Gotta cherrypick that data a little better.

Quote from: suchmoon on April 19, 2019, 09:48:16 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 09:38:07 PM

I just agree with his opinion

Sending merits because you agree with his opinion? I hope you're not a merit source.

You're right, I should only merit posts with incorrect information from now on. ::)

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Vod on April 19, 2019, 10:04:15 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 10:01:30 PM

When will you be unveiling the new algorithm for BPIP? I know you can't be happy as the #23 most recognized account. Gotta cherrypick that data a little better.

What do you suggest? I could learn a thing or two about deception from you.

New algorithms coming start of June. :)

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 10:17:43 PM

Quote from: Vod on April 19, 2019, 10:04:15 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 10:01:30 PM

When will you be unveiling the new algorithm for BPIP? I know you can't be happy as the #23 most recognized account. Gotta cherrypick that data a little better.

What do you suggest? I could learn a thing or two about deception from you.

New algorithms coming start of June. :)

Leaving fraudulent feedback for those rated above you while spreading lies about them is a bold move, let's see how it plays out for you.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Vod on April 19, 2019, 10:19:59 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 10:17:43 PM

Quote from: Vod on April 19, 2019, 10:04:15 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 10:01:30 PM

When will you be unveiling the new algorithm for BPIP? I know you can't be happy as the #23 most recognized account. Gotta cherrypick that data a little better.

What do you suggest? I could learn a thing or two about deception from you.

New algorithms coming start of June. :)

Leaving fraudulent feedback for those rated above you is a bold move, let's see how it plays out for you.

Running a failing ponzi that is losing income and gaining mouths is a stupid move, let's see how it plays out for you. :)

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: suchmoon on April 19, 2019, 10:42:28 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 10:01:30 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on April 19, 2019, 09:48:16 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 09:38:07 PM

I just agree with his opinion

Sending merits because you agree with his opinion? I hope you're not a merit source.

You're right, I should only merit posts with incorrect information from now on. ::)

You're supposed to merit good posts, not because you agree with user's opinion. I'm sure Quickseller will support me on that, he is against "groupthink". Also:

Quote from: theymos on January 24, 2018, 11:00:11 PM

I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Quickseller on April 19, 2019, 10:53:28 PM

Quote from: Vod on April 19, 2019, 09:42:05 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 09:38:07 PM

Quickseller at least refunded the users he wronged...

No, he didn't.

That is an explicit, intentional lie.

You very clearly have no understanding what it means to have integrity -- you make excuses and provide cover for those who steal from others (but help you), and you lie about those who are critical of you.

You are a disgrace to Bitcoin and to this forum.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 11:00:14 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on April 19, 2019, 10:42:28 PM

You're supposed to merit good posts, not because you agree with user's opinion. I'm sure Quickseller will support me on that, he is against "groupthink". Also:

Quote from: theymos on January 24, 2018, 11:00:11 PM

I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

It was a good post I felt was high quality, and I agreed with it. Not just a post I agreed with. Seems that fits theymos description exactly and you're trying to turn nothing into something. I wonder why? Are you really threatened by me being a Merit Source?

Quote from: Vod on April 19, 2019, 10:19:59 PM

Running a failing ponzi that is losing income and gaining mouths is a stupid move, let's see how it plays out for you. :)

Losing income? :D Please explain how it's possible for NastyFans to lose income. You wouldn't be telling lies that are impossible would you? You are also aware that no new investors are needed to continue paying NastyFans members right? I'm not sure if you're ignorant of what a Ponzi is, or ignorant of what NastyFans does. Who are we kidding, you're just spouting lies to try and get me to give you a negative so you can have justification for your trust and cannot answer my questions proposed here without looking completely foolish. I'd love to see you try though. We'll just get another fingers in the ears crying child post though. That's Vod.

Keep shoveling! You're striking gold!

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Lesbian Cow on April 19, 2019, 11:18:48 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on April 19, 2019, 10:53:28 PM

Quote from: Vod on April 19, 2019, 09:42:05 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 09:38:07 PM

Quickseller at least refunded the users he wronged...

No, he didn't.

Quickseller, to be clear, you used your Quickseller account to escrow trades involving Panthers52, your alt account. You collected fees for those trades. How is that not a scam?

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Vod on April 19, 2019, 11:23:33 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 11:00:14 PM

Quote from: Vod on April 19, 2019, 10:19:59 PM

Running a failing ponzi that is losing income and gaining mouths is a stupid move, let's see how it plays out for you. :)

Losing income? :D Please explain how it's possible for NastyFans to lose income.

Every month profits go down bozo... your income is decreasing.

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 11:00:14 PM

You are also aware that no new investors are needed to continue paying NastyFans members right?

Of course. You used value from your investors to build a small income that is decreasing.

Even if you recruit no new suckers, you still pay your old bills/debts from new money.

That's why you asked me how many shares it would take to get your ponzi logo on my site. :) Remember when you told me your equipment badly needed maintenance?

That is a ponzi. Yours is failing. :)

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: OgNasty on April 20, 2019, 12:19:52 AM

Quote from: Vod on April 19, 2019, 11:23:33 PM

Every month profits go down bozo... your income is decreasing.

Of course. You used value from your investors to build a small income that is decreasing.

Even if you recruit no new suckers, you still pay your old bills/debts from new money.

That's why you asked me how many shares it would take to get your ponzi logo on my site. :) Remember when you told me your equipment badly needed maintenance?

That is a ponzi. Yours is failing. :)

Funds donated to BPIP.org = 0.014 BTC
Funds donated to NastyFans = 729.38 BTC

Solar array, wind turbine, Tesla Powerwall, pedal generator, 84th/s in new miners, wow! Our mining operation is stronger than ever and in a great position for future growth... Just a reminder that I raised the initial investment for NastyMining on GLBSE with the promise I would provide 1mh/s per seat and I will soon be providing nearly 3GH/s per seat along with some altcoin mining hashrate, not to mention the coin sales! All of the other GLBSE operations completely folded costing investors everything and when the S17 arrives I'll be providing nearly 3,000 times my promise plus additional benefits! That's a success in my book. By all means though, keep trying to spread your lies about the 1 organization that has survived the test of time.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Vod on April 20, 2019, 12:34:32 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 20, 2019, 12:19:52 AM

Solar array, wind turbine, Tesla Powerwall, pedal generator,\

So you are using ponzi funds to improve your personal land... :/

Quote from: OgNasty on April 20, 2019, 12:19:52 AM

Funds donated to BPIP.org = 0.014 BTC
Funds donated to NastyFans = 729.38 BTC

BPIP.org OWES $0
NastyFans OWES $forever

I think I win. :)

(Do you also believe you donate to the lottery, or do you expect some value from it?)

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: actisstupidname on April 20, 2019, 12:40:10 AM

Quote from: Lesbian Cow on April 19, 2019, 09:52:52 PM

You have not read anything. I have no red tag on OgNasty. I have never left them negative trust.

I never said you placed a red tag on OgNasty. I was speaking in generalities. I have no skin in this. For all I care, I should have probably stick in my neck of the woods in this forum.

Quote from: Lesbian Cow on April 19, 2019, 09:52:52 PM

I have excluded them from my personal trust list as I do not trust their opinions of others as they support Quickseller who admittedly stole escrow fees from trusting customers.

Precisely why the trust system is stupid. You actively excluded someone because of their opinions? Yet you trust him with money? You could just ignore him with neutrality, no positive/negative feedback or no inclusion/exclusion in trust lists. This really sounds like politics to me. Anyway, it's your privilege given by the forum's messed up trust system.

Let's call a spade a spade. This is all politics and propaganda.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: marcotheminer on April 20, 2019, 12:44:56 AM

Quote from: Lesbian Cow on April 19, 2019, 11:18:48 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on April 19, 2019, 10:53:28 PM

Quote from: Vod on April 19, 2019, 09:42:05 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 09:38:07 PM

Quickseller at least refunded the users he wronged...

No, he didn't.

Quickseller, to be clear, you used your Quickseller account to escrow trades involving Panthers52, your alt account. You collected fees for those trades. How is that not a scam?

I wouldn't call it a scam but it's extremely unethical and opens the door TO a scam, yes. Damn - I didn't know about this those - time to do some catch up on the year I missed. This place is always pumping out something new it seems.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Vod on April 20, 2019, 12:50:48 AM

Quote from: marcotheminer on April 20, 2019, 12:44:56 AM

Damn - I didn't know about this those

Well, why do you think so many profiles have left him negative feedback?

He'll have you believe it's a conspiracy, but he is just a digital con man.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: OgNasty on April 20, 2019, 12:52:39 AM

Quote from: Vod on April 20, 2019, 12:34:32 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 20, 2019, 12:19:52 AM

Funds donated to BPIP.org = 0.014 BTC
Funds donated to NastyFans = 729.38 BTC

BPIP.org OWES $0
NastyFans OWES $forever

I think I win. :)

NastyFans is a proof of concept organization that displays the sort of transparency possible with Bitcoin while also offering innovative products and approaches to solving regulatory issues plaguing crypto organizations.

BPIP.org is a website with a rating system you manipulate to stroke your ego and provides no interaction with the blockchain or use of Bitcoin whatsoever.

Clearly you win. :D

I didn't realize we were in competition, but now your trust abuse makes more sense when viewed from your delusional perspective.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: marcotheminer on April 20, 2019, 12:58:57 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 20, 2019, 12:52:39 AM

Quote from: Vod on April 20, 2019, 12:34:32 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 20, 2019, 12:19:52 AM

Funds donated to BPIP.org = 0.014 BTC
Funds donated to NastyFans = 729.38 BTC

BPIP.org OWES $0
NastyFans OWES $forever

I think I win. :)

Yeah, competitions... that's also another problem. We always want to "win" these arguments - lest we realise they are useless and we will never get a satisfactory outcome from it...

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Vod on April 20, 2019, 01:31:13 AM

Quote from: marcotheminer on April 20, 2019, 12:58:57 AM

Yeah, competitions... that's also another problem. We always want to "win" these arguments - lest we realise they are useless and we will never get a satisfactory outcome from it...

True dat. We are both calling each other the same names and going nowhere.

OG and I agree I won this argument. I guess I should take the weekend off. :)

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: OgNasty on April 20, 2019, 01:35:41 AM

Quote from: Vod on April 20, 2019, 01:31:13 AM

True dat. We are both calling each other the same names and going nowhere.

I guess I should take the weekend off. :)

I provided evidence you're a liar and in fact this thread is littered with your lies. You are just name calling and abusing the trust network. We'll see how that plays out for you.

Yes, go celebrate the Easter holiday and relax. :D I'm worried about your emotional state.

For anyone wondering what this latest Vod nonsense is about: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5122617.msg50665442#msg50665442

Quote from: marcotheminer on April 20, 2019, 12:58:57 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 20, 2019, 12:52:39 AM

Quote from: Vod on April 20, 2019, 12:34:32 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 20, 2019, 12:19:52 AM

Funds donated to BPIP.org = 0.014 BTC
Funds donated to NastyFans = 729.38 BTC

BPIP.org OWES $0
NastyFans OWES $forever

I think I win. :)

Yeah, competitions... that's also another problem. We always want to "win" these arguments - lest we realise they are useless and we will never get a satisfactory outcome from it...

It's definitely a useless time waste, but what else are you supposed to do when someone starts lying about you and abusing the trust network when the truth is provable for those willing to look?

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: suchmoon on April 20, 2019, 02:53:53 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 11:00:14 PM

OMG just when I thought you can't be any more petty. Apparently there is no limit to your virtual dick-waving. Why would I be threatened by you being a merit source?

I should probably be more threatened by your ginormous ego - mine is nowhere near that big :(

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Lesbian Cow on April 20, 2019, 03:23:10 AM

Quote from: marcotheminer on April 20, 2019, 12:44:56 AM

Quote from: Lesbian Cow on April 19, 2019, 11:18:48 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on April 19, 2019, 10:53:28 PM

Quote from: Vod on April 19, 2019, 09:42:05 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 09:38:07 PM

Quickseller at least refunded the users he wronged...

No, he didn't.

Quickseller, to be clear, you used your Quickseller account to escrow trades involving Panthers52, your alt account. You collected fees for those trades. How is that not a scam?

It is most definitely a scam. Collecting fees for escrow services that were not rendered.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: marcotheminer on April 20, 2019, 08:29:27 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 20, 2019, 01:35:41 AM

Quote from: Vod on April 20, 2019, 01:31:13 AM

True dat. We are both calling each other the same names and going nowhere.

I guess I should take the weekend off. :)

Quote from: marcotheminer on April 20, 2019, 12:58:57 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 20, 2019, 12:52:39 AM

Quote from: Vod on April 20, 2019, 12:34:32 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 20, 2019, 12:19:52 AM

Funds donated to BPIP.org = 0.014 BTC
Funds donated to NastyFans = 729.38 BTC

BPIP.org OWES $0
NastyFans OWES $forever

I think I win. :)

Yeah, competitions... that's also another problem. We always want to "win" these arguments - lest we realise they are useless and we will never get a satisfactory outcome from it...

It's definitely a useless time waste, but what else are you supposed to do when someone starts lying about you and abusing the trust network when the truth is provable for those willing to look?

Yeah .. we have no choice but to continue the drama. It's a shame the trust network can be abused/distorted as it is now; but what solutions do we have.. All I can think of it narrowing it back down - too many people with too much power means too many opinions from too many emotional perspectives..

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Anduck on April 20, 2019, 11:27:42 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 20, 2019, 01:35:41 AM

Quote from: Vod on April 20, 2019, 01:31:13 AM

True dat. We are both calling each other the same names and going nowhere.

I guess I should take the weekend off. :)

Vod is a proven liar, been for years. See e.g. this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4415201.msg39447493#msg39447493) or this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4415201.msg40906371#msg40906371). It's just that nobody cares to waste time as it's not too simple to get a grasp of how Vod is lying. But there are a couple pretty straightforward cases too.

Quote from: OgNasty on April 20, 2019, 01:35:41 AM

Quote from: marcotheminer on April 20, 2019, 12:58:57 AM

...

It's definitely a useless time waste, but what else are you supposed to do when someone starts lying about you and abusing the trust network when the truth is provable for those willing to look?

I also tried to point people (who are possibly interested) into seeing into the proofs about Vod being a scumbag liar. Some wanted to stick into whitewashing whatever Vod did or does, which is bad.. And some wanted to not touch this case at all, it's after all not their case & it's a serious waste of time. Vod's abuse and general wrongdoing was obvious, but not enough to warrant others to react on it by using the trust system.

I think that many of these issues in the community arise from communication errors. Then they escalate beyond ridiculous levels.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: ibminer on April 20, 2019, 12:36:54 PM

Seems like there is a lot of emotionally-driven spin being put on the truth here, and it's well past the point of getting vindictive, so I'll try to avoid getting involved in all of that.. but I do take a bit of an issue with the accusation that there is cherry picking or manipulation going on with BPIP's data because, well, I would not be associated in any way with a project doing that.

I certainly would not be working with Vod if I thought this were true and I've certainly seen no evidence of manipulating data. If I'm understanding this claim (or attack?) correctly, apparently deciding whether or not to include initial merit in a score on BPIP, which effects every ranked member that received merit, somehow indicates Vod is manipulating data to personally rank himself higher ??? ... I'm not sure why this nonsense would be twisted into some sort of ammunition in an argument here, but it seems unfounded and over the top to me.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Vod on April 20, 2019, 10:12:13 PM

Quote from: Anduck on April 20, 2019, 11:27:42 AM

I think that many of these issues in the community arise from communication errors. Then they escalate beyond ridiculous levels.

I agree 100%. I know the exact PM we each understood something different so everything past then was fucked.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: OgNasty on April 24, 2019, 02:29:40 AM

Quote from: Anduck on April 20, 2019, 11:27:42 AM

Yes, I knew this and shouldn't have offered to help his project. Lesson learned.

Quote from: Anduck on April 20, 2019, 11:27:42 AM

I think that many of these issues in the community arise from communication errors. Then they escalate beyond ridiculous levels.

Indeed. Vod's lack of reading comprehension skills are most definitely the root cause here.

This is a perfect example of the Trust System's Stupid Shit though, and I personally think the trust system is a mess currently, so maybe this sort of behavior will help improve it in the future.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Anduck on April 24, 2019, 10:44:47 AM

Quote from: Vod on April 20, 2019, 10:12:13 PM

I know the exact PM we each understood something different so everything past then was fucked.

No, no, no. Do not try to twist this. You "understood" it wrong, not me. I even corrected you right in the beginning: I explained you what you understood wrong (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3869593.msg37493582#msg37493582).

Today, I am confident you did this "misunderstanding" on purpose. You indicated your will to abuse your DT position against me as can be seen from the messages. Now you don't have that leverage anymore.

So I did not misunderstand anything. I also did not "fuck" anything, it was all you. You did all the wrongdoing. You lied and blackmailed me. Do not try to twist the history. Maybe look up what you have done, refresh your memory... and try to think about all that and learn to not be a jackass towards others.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Lauda on April 24, 2019, 10:47:35 AM

Don't you guys ever get tired of this?

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: ibminer on April 24, 2019, 02:51:50 PM

Quote from: Anduck on April 24, 2019, 10:44:47 AM

So I did not misunderstand anything. I also did not "fuck" anything, it was all you. You did all the wrongdoing.

I can provide one "misunderstanding" you appeared to have had which started the whole thing:

Quote from: b!z on September 03, 2013, 01:54:42 PM

Starting bid
The lowest price you will sell the item for.

Did you honor your "starting bid" as the lowest price you would sell the item for? No... you increased the price at the end of the auction and then went on to sell it privately after the auction ended.
Did you "have to" follow this guideline, technically no. However, people also don't "have to" follow any guideline on this forum.. but there can still be consequences to those actions.

Even at the time of the auction, people questioned your "misunderstanding" and you acknowledged you "should have set a higher starting bid or reserve", but then didn't correct it - you continued to sell it privately... that's just wrong IMO.

You also did at least help with "fuck"'ing something, IMO, which is DefaultTrust.. because of your single-minded defense of your own "misunderstanding" during your "Destroy DT or put me on it" campaign... instead of seeing other peoples perspectives as well.

For me, the reality is most people I know do not expect an auctioneer to self-bid when there was no disclosure of a hidden reserve, especially when it goes against the guidelines (and tips) I believe most people adhere to in the auction section. Although, I do realize there are much worse things happening at this forum than this... but you've continued to act like you've done NOTHING wrong. ::)

Shouldn't other people participating in your future auctions have a right to know that you may not be complying to the guidelines and tips stickied in the auction section of this forum?

Quote from: Lauda on April 24, 2019, 10:47:35 AM

Don't you guys ever get tired of this?

They don't, it's all just cheap thrills (https://youtu.be/nYh-n7EOtMA) to them. ::)

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Anduck on April 24, 2019, 06:05:41 PM

Quote from: ibminer on April 24, 2019, 02:51:50 PM

You're completely ignoring lies and blackmailing that Vod does.

Yet you insist on highlighting a one-time vendor bid I did on my auction 4 years ago? Please educate yourself to understand that vendor bidding is a normal auction event in various auction standards and countries, including the United States. It's not standard in Ebay, not standard in Bitcointalk, but is a standard e.g. in my country. For example you can check the biggest Finnish online auction site huutokaupat.com. It's given that auctions are by default with reserve, be it hidden, concealed or open. Even the U.S. law states that auctions are by default with reserve.

There is no written Bitcoin auction standard anywhere, so these kind of actions not aligned with the standard happen occasionally. And they are never dealed with how Vod here does, because Vod did not rate me because of the auction, he rated me because I hurt his ego by telling him that I don't specifically trust him. This would be obvious to you if you bothered to dig yourself up from the vod hole.

Also, if it matters, Vod does not even frequent the Collectibles section. He also directly told me that he will red-rate me if I don't do what he wants. So who are you to now make up some other reason for his ratings when he himself stated it?

I expected someone to come whitewash Vod, as has always happened before.

Quote

but you've continued to act like you've done NOTHING wrong.

I do not perceive something to be done wrongly when it was done in good faith and immediately learned upon. But that's just me, you seem to have a much harsher stance. Again, I only did something that's not according to bitcointalk auction standard, but is perfectly fine and normal e.g. in my country. Bear with me.

Regarding trust system & DT, they're better than ever before. Thank you theymos.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: ibminer on April 24, 2019, 07:34:16 PM

Quote from: Anduck on April 24, 2019, 06:05:41 PM

You're completely ignoring lies and blackmailing that Vod does.

It appeared like Vod believed you were intentionally lying to him and reacted to it... he has reacted to others in a similar fashion when he thinks someone is intentionally being dishonest.
Blackmailing?? Are you sure you got the right term ???

Quote from: Anduck on April 24, 2019, 06:05:41 PM

Yet you insist on highlighting a one-time vendor bid I did on my auction 4 years ago? Please educate yourself to understand that vendor bidding is a normal auction event in various auction standards and countries, including the
United States. It's not standard in Ebay, not standard in Bitcointalk, but is a standard e.g. in my country.

As you've stated, it's not standard on Bitcointalk, where your auction was posted. IMO, it's your responsibility to know the guidelines and rules at an auction site/forum before creating the auction. When questioned immediately at the time of the auction, you chose to essentially give everyone the middle finger and press on. I'm merely stating my opinion that you were in the wrong in doing these things. 1) Listing a starting bid that wasn't really a "starting bid" as per the auction guidelines stickied to the section. 2) Not correcting your actions after being provided the chance to do so. (#2 is a personal pet peeve of mine)

Quote from: Anduck on April 24, 2019, 06:05:41 PM

For example you can check the biggest Finnish online auction site huutokaupat.com. It's given that auctions are by default with reserve, be it hidden, concealed or open. Even the U.S. law states that auctions are by default with reserve.

This isn't huutokaupat and it's not a US-based auction house.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Anduck on April 24, 2019, 08:13:57 PM

Quote from: ibminer on April 24, 2019, 07:34:16 PM

Quote from: Anduck on April 24, 2019, 06:05:41 PM

You're completely ignoring lies and blackmailing that Vod does.

Vod told me that he doesn't see anything untrustworthy in what I did. Let that sink in.
Soon after this we discussed a little and he threatened to red-rate me unless I changed my rating. (Call that blackmailing or whatever you want.) And I did not change my rating.
Additionally, I also told him that I don't specifically trust him. This, I think, hurt his ego very badly (was not my intention though), finally triggering him to his sudden change of "opinion" etc, and rating me red.

Quote from: ibminer on April 24, 2019, 07:34:16 PM

2) Not correcting your actions after being provided the chance to do so. (#2 is a personal pet peeve of mine)

OK. Can't really remember exactly what I thought back then, but I did not see anything to "correct" at the time. Also, this whole auction case is completely out of proportions. For example, a staffer (mprep) changed his auction rules in the middle of an auction with bids in, and same handful of people (you, saltyspitoon and vod) who are now, still after many years whining about my vendor bid, are completely ignoring or accepting that, and so on. Hypocrites.

Regardless, none of this has anything to do with this auction and Vod's rating towards me has nothing to do with that auction, except that he uses it as it the "reason" as it's the only thing he could find about me that is even remotely controversial.

What is so hard in understanding that Vod's rating towards me has nothing to do with the auction, anyway? Yes, he states something about it in his rating reason, but could you now try to finally understand what happened in messages between us. Like, e.g., read the messages before constantly talking about irrelevant stuff.

Quote from: ibminer on April 24, 2019, 07:34:16 PM

Quote from: Anduck on April 24, 2019, 06:05:41 PM

This isn't huutokaupat and it's not a US-based auction house.

Of course. Only thing I can really do is to tell you to educate yourself about auction standards in the world. I gave you just one example for e.g. starting point.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: khaled0111 on April 24, 2019, 08:32:09 PM

Guys, you are better than this. So, please, find a way to sort it out.

You are going round in circles. Each one calling the other a liar!
All of you are highly trusted members (not talking about trust rating under your usernames). We, junior members, consider you as our mentors and look up to you. But it seems you have no idea how all this drama is affecting us.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: OgNasty on April 24, 2019, 09:25:14 PM

Quote from: khaled0111 on April 24, 2019, 08:32:09 PM

Guys, you are better then this. So, please, find a way to sort it out.

You are going round in circles. Each one calling the other a liar!
All of you are highly trusted members (not talking about trust rating under your usernames). We, junior members, consider you as our mentors and look up to you. But it seems you have no idea how all this drama is affecting us.

Some of us are better than this... The difference is that Vod can't prove any of his lies as they are literally nonsense he made up, and I have evidence to backup my opinions. I was hoping I wouldn't have to dig through all my PMs, since I have more than 1200 pages of them and navigating my inbox is literally a nightmare, but I can see that may be necessary if you can't see the difference between Vod's lies and the truths being told about him.

Vod, I will donate 1 BTC to BPIP.org if you can post one legitimate PM of me offering you NastyMining shares as payment for your site sponsorship like you claim. If Vod's not a liar, he'll do it, right?

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Quickseller on April 24, 2019, 09:34:00 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 24, 2019, 09:25:14 PM

Quote from: khaled0111 on April 24, 2019, 08:32:09 PM

To easily search PMs from a particular user:
Search for: e
From user: Vod

The above will provide you with all PMs from Vod containing the letter “e” which most likely is all spams you received from him.

I would think Vod would be willing to prove that him calling OgN a scammer is accurate for over $5k

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Vod on April 24, 2019, 09:55:35 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 24, 2019, 09:25:14 PM

Vod, I will donate 1 BTC to BPIP.org if you can post one legitimate PM of me offering you NastyMining shares as payment for your site sponsorship like you claim. If Vod's not a liar, he'll do it, right?

How about your initial lie which caused all this? Can you post one legitimate PM supporting the following? If you're not a liar, you'll do it, right?

Quote from: OgNasty on April 18, 2019, 01:58:30 AM

You're just as much a hypocrite liar as Anduck. I'm glad you two scammers found each other. :)

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: OgNasty on April 24, 2019, 10:20:19 PM

Quote from: Vod on April 24, 2019, 09:55:35 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 24, 2019, 09:25:14 PM

How about your initial lie which caused all this? Can you post one legitimate PM supporting the following? If you're not a liar, you'll do it, right?

Quote from: OgNasty on April 18, 2019, 01:58:30 AM

You're just as much a hypocrite liar as Anduck. I'm glad you two scammers found each other. :)

Seems only fair you put up 1 BTC for me to do so, right? It’s clear now everything you said about me was a lie. Put up the 1 BTC and make it seem like there’s no basis for my opinion.

For the record, I would much prefer that Vod apologizes for the comments he's made about me in this thread, removes the trust abuse, and we move forward like grown adults as opposed to turning this situation into a more drama filled jury trial with our peers.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Vod on April 24, 2019, 10:35:00 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 24, 2019, 10:20:19 PM

For the record, I would much prefer that Vod apologizes for the comments he's made about me in this thread, removes the trust abuse, and we move forward like grown adults as opposed to turning this situation into a more drama filled jury trial with our peers.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5122617.msg50652615#msg50652615

You are a liar. Anything that you post after that comment is a fight you started. :)

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: jademaxsuy on April 25, 2019, 09:25:16 AM

Well everyone can give you feedback and trust rating. This is not controlled by admin but it can be reviewed actually and since you are posting this then this might reach to admin. Just hope that the only admin theymos is not busy around checking a lot of concerns and maintaining forum free from any forms of harm and keeping it safe for every users.

Anyway, I do not see any abuses for now from the DT excrpt if the user has posted a shady post that looks like a scam posts and it is their discretion on whatever decision they will going to make. So, better to stay away from.the likes of the post that look scam.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: OgNasty on April 25, 2019, 07:58:11 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 24, 2019, 09:25:14 PM

Quote from: Vod on April 24, 2019, 10:35:00 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 24, 2019, 10:20:19 PM

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5122617.msg50652615#msg50652615

You are a liar. Anything that you post after that comment is a fight you started. :)

Vod, I will prove that I am not a liar and my opinions in the comment you linked are true.

I would rather you apologized and stopped abusing the trust system. Last chance.

By the way... Everyone can see you started this drama with the below lie. Anything posted after the below comment is a fight you started. :)

Quote from: Vod on April 18, 2019, 12:11:43 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 17, 2019, 06:32:58 PM

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: The-One-Above-All on April 25, 2019, 09:55:56 PM

I do not think we should be terming this legitimate illustration of the very short comings of the trust system DRAMA. These are observable instances of failure and abuse that put the entire board at increased risk, and destroy the cohesion of the entire community. If all the energy fighting for fair treatment and simple justice, was directed to positive projects to further awareness and push forward adoption of decentralized projects, we may all get what we hope for much sooner.

Nothing is more stupid than having a TRUST system where observable scammers on DT get to red trust honest members to prevent them whistle blowing on them, whilst their "alts and friends" get to back them up, or excuse it.

The fact the trust system is now based upon a merit system where a tiny fraction of the board cycle it to each other. Those that give each other the most merits are the most trustworthy, stands to reason right?. What more can be said. A huge proportion of DT members are observably totally untrustworthy and observably sneaky and greedy when it comes to financial matters. Nobody can even deny it? they just claim the truth does not interest them, don't want to get involved (only too eager to get involved in everyone else business) and when pushed to comment they say that: it is good when innocent people get red trust, because it makes people more aware.

The double standards is quite fun to point out, but highly damaging to new members.

It is not enjoyable to watch the board being taken over by an observably shady bunch and the resulting "drama" of all those innocent persons fighting for fair treatment. Observable double standards will end up crushing this entire community. Makes the entire environment look shady and manipulated. You only need a newbie to see evidence of a DT members scamming, lying, implicated in a serious extortion attempt or punishing people for things they have done themselves and that's it, they will assume the entire board is shady. Rightly so.

EDIT - since making the above post it looks like the user VOD has given me additional red trust? I think this demonstrates clearly more attempts at silencing anyone that mentions observable events this group of untrustworthy individuals wants to remain hidden. This is a fantastic trust system. Works brilliantly for scammers and liars.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: bones261 on April 25, 2019, 10:44:33 PM

Quote from: The-One-Above-All on April 25, 2019, 09:55:56 PM

EDIT - since making the above post it looks like the user VOD has given me additional red trust? I think this demonstrates clearly more attempts at silencing anyone that mentions observable events this group of untrustworthy individuals wants to remain hidden. This is a fantastic trust system. Works brilliantly for scammers and liars.

Well, if the purpose is to silence people with red trust, the strategy is obviously not working. It seems making a red trust comment against many people makes the recipients more vocal than ever.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: The-One-Above-All on April 25, 2019, 11:00:36 PM

Quote from: bones261 on April 25, 2019, 10:44:33 PM

Quote from: The-One-Above-All on April 25, 2019, 09:55:56 PM

Well, if the purpose is to silence people with red trust, the strategy is obviously not working. It seems making a red trust comment against many people makes the recipients more vocal than ever.

A limited mind could see it that way.

Perhaps they hope it will serve as a lesson to others not to replicate the mistake of mentioning observable events from their past? and discourage further incidents of speaking the truth.

Vod seems to have been accused of many terrible things , by several members. We will investigate those for him shortly in his own thread, and if they appear untrue under scrutiny, we will be glad to see him cleared of such nasty accusations.

The strategy has a success rate that can only be speculated on, but unless you view red trust as a reward, or endorsement, then you are perhaps capable of understanding that red trust has serious implications for free speech.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Vod on April 25, 2019, 11:03:30 PM

Quote from: The-One-Above-All on April 25, 2019, 09:55:56 PM

EDIT - since making the above post it looks like the user VOD has given me additional red trust? I think this demonstrates clearly more attempts at silencing anyone that mentions observable events this group of untrustworthy individuals wants to remain hidden. This is a fantastic trust system. Works brilliantly for scammers and liars.

I left you the trust last night, before your post. Pay closer attention. :)

I think it demonstrates I don't respect people who don't respect what they post.

If you don't believe your words, why should I?

I'm not trying to silence a coward in any way. Post on to your heart's delight.

;)

Quote from: OgNasty on April 25, 2019, 07:58:11 PM

Vod, I will prove that I am not a liar and my opinions in the comment you linked are true.

Great!

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: The-One-Above-All on April 25, 2019, 11:25:24 PM

Quote from: Vod on April 25, 2019, 11:03:30 PM

Quote from: The-One-Above-All on April 25, 2019, 09:55:56 PM

I think it demonstrates I don't respect people who don't respect what they post.

If you don't believe your words, why should I?

I'm not trying to silence a coward in any way. Post on to your heart's delight.

;)

Quote from: OgNasty on April 25, 2019, 07:58:11 PM

Vod, I will prove that I am not a liar and my opinions in the comment you linked are true.

Great!

We did not notice it before (perhaps it can be confirmed when you left the red) either way let us continue..

Can you present our words that you do not believe? we will in public debate them with you now?

Can you present your proof that we are an ALT of anyone?
Can you present your proof that even if we were an alt of anyone (we are not) then that clearly demonstrates we do not believe our own words?

Your respect is not require, and certainly not desired. I think it best not to be associated with you in anyway at all.

Please present proof of your accusations? EVEN if we were an alt account of anyone (we are not) You need proof to establish this. Then again you do not perhaps have the capacity to realize that some members (not us) may consider it the only safe way to speak the truth ?when people like yourself abuse the trust system? So again your reasoning is flawed, and demonstrates the larger problem here for free speech. Thanks for assisting us.

Seems that you wish to red trust any member that presents truths you do not wish to be made public?

If that is not the case, please present now the parts of our posts you wish to dispute as false, those parts you do not believe?

Coward? would that not be more a suitable title for someone that takes advantage of perhaps vulnerable (age) groups ? Do you know any one like that? Perhaps we have overlooked individuals like that, and need to take a closer look, to examine in public what kind of deviant people we are dealing with here in positions of trust?

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: bones261 on April 25, 2019, 11:31:01 PM

Quote from: The-One-Above-All on April 25, 2019, 11:00:36 PM

Quote from: bones261 on April 25, 2019, 10:44:33 PM

Quote from: The-One-Above-All on April 25, 2019, 09:55:56 PM

Well, if the purpose is to silence people with red trust, the strategy is obviously not working. It seems making a red trust comment against many people makes the recipients more vocal than ever.

Actually, upon doing some research, theymos implemented the scammer tag system to ensure free speech.

Quote from: theymos on August 27, 2011, 03:46:05 AM

Quote from: bbit on August 26, 2011, 11:23:07 PM

edit: who determines this?

Administrators.

Quote from: FreeMoney on August 27, 2011, 12:32:26 AM

It would be awesome to make the scammer mark invisible to the scammer so they keep on longer than optimal with the same account.

The idea is to give them an opportunity to defend themselves or make things right. I have removed the status a couple of times after the users paid back their victims.

I instituted this system because people were pressuring me a lot to ban scammers, which I was unwilling to do. I do not want to be the final arbiter in these matters. So I created this status to warn potential victims without preventing the scammer from defending himself.

People marked as scammers are also unable to delete/edit any of their posts or modify their profiles, and their IP addresses are banned from creating new accounts.

You should be grateful that the trust system morphed from the old scammer tag system. You can now have a bazillion negative trust comments and not only be allowed to continue to post, but now the red trust recipient is free to create as many alt accounts as they like, modify their profiles and edit/delete posts.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: The-One-Above-All on April 25, 2019, 11:41:07 PM

Quote from: bones261 on April 25, 2019, 11:31:01 PM

Quote from: The-One-Above-All on April 25, 2019, 11:00:36 PM

Quote from: bones261 on April 25, 2019, 10:44:33 PM

Quote from: The-One-Above-All on April 25, 2019, 09:55:56 PM

Well, if the purpose is to silence people with red trust, the strategy is obviously not working. It seems making a red trust comment against many people makes the recipients more vocal than ever.

Actually, upon doing some research, theymos implemented the scammer tag system to ensure free speech.

Quote from: theymos on August 27, 2011, 03:46:05 AM

Quote from: bbit on August 26, 2011, 11:23:07 PM

edit: who determines this?

Administrators.

Quote from: FreeMoney on August 27, 2011, 12:32:26 AM

It would be awesome to make the scammer mark invisible to the scammer so they keep on longer than optimal with the same account.

That detracts from nothing that I have just posted. Your post is also strange. Most people wearing tags now would not need wear them under the old system.

The trust and merit systems crush free speech and create an echo chamber. Merit is the carrot, Red trust is the stick. It is foolish to dispute the implications.

EDIT - VOD seems to have run away like a coward? seems it can not present any evidence ? where are the examples of our posts he does not believe?

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: marcotheminer on April 26, 2019, 01:12:07 PM

More dumb shit. Users even block PM's to avoid having their trust-bombed victims message them. Look at my account people - fucking bullshit all the way through.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Vod on April 26, 2019, 08:45:24 PM

Quote from: marcotheminer on April 26, 2019, 01:12:07 PM

More dumb shit. Users even block PM's to avoid having their trust-bombed victims message them. Look at my account people - fucking bullshit all the way through.

I haven't blocked you Marco, as I still see a ray of hope for you.

You keep PMing me to "reconsider" your trust, but you don't provide any new information. :(

11 different people have left you negative feedback and instead of seeing that, you just call us all bullshitters. :/ No wonder they ignore you.

Get your act together before you PM asking for more chances, ok?

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: OgNasty on April 26, 2019, 09:16:03 PM

Quote from: Vod on April 25, 2019, 11:03:30 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 25, 2019, 07:58:11 PM

Vod, I will prove that I am not a liar and my opinions in the comment you linked are true.

Great!

I gave Vod multiple opportunities to apologize and put this behind us, even saying that was my preference. From Vod's first comment on the thread starting this fight, to his refusal to issue a simple apology for his lies, it was clear he asked for me to provide him with a justification for my words. I am now doing so at his request against my wishes.

Vod, you are a liar and owe me an apology. Here's your proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5136576

I hope you read that first PM you sent to all DT1 members back in 2015, and recognize just how far your attitude has strayed from when you were trusted with such a responsibility.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Vod on April 26, 2019, 09:29:41 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 26, 2019, 09:16:03 PM

Vod, you are a liar and owe me an apology. Here's your proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5136576

So many words and no proof that I ever sent PM(s) "telling me that you'd add me to your distrust list unless I removed trust ratings for Anduck and Quickseller and if I did you would add me to your trust list"

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5122617.msg50652615#msg50652615

You are a liar.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: OgNasty on April 26, 2019, 09:32:42 PM

Quote from: Vod on April 26, 2019, 09:29:41 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 26, 2019, 09:16:03 PM

Vod, you are a liar and owe me an apology. Here's your proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5136576

So many words and no proof that I ever sent PM(s)

I'm sure an Administrator could verify that all of the messages I quoted from you are from legitimate Vod PMs. Keep digging that hole.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Vod on April 26, 2019, 09:42:55 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 26, 2019, 09:32:42 PM

Quote from: Vod on April 26, 2019, 09:29:41 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 26, 2019, 09:16:03 PM

Vod, you are a liar and owe me an apology. Here's your proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5136576

So many words and no proof that I ever sent PM(s)

I'm sure an Administrator could verify that all of the messages I quoted from you are from legitimate Vod PMs. Keep digging that hole.

They will have to if you make up the PM that was "telling me that you'd add me to your distrust list unless I removed trust ratings for Anduck and Quickseller and if I did you would add me to your trust list"

You can't produce that PM - you are a liar.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Anduck on April 26, 2019, 09:46:43 PM

Vod, let me explain it to you (and to others who may feel confused as you shamelessly deny these events...) I use color coding to increase clarity.

Quote from: Vod on April 26, 2019, 09:29:41 PM

Proof for blue part:

Quote from: Vod on February 10, 2019, 05:50:52 AM

You trust Anduck and Quickseller. Sorry.

That's your reply to OgNasty's question about being distrusted. Your reply states that the reason for your distrust towards OgNasty is that he trusts Anduck and Quickseller.

Proof for red part:

Quote from: Vod on February 10, 2019, 07:40:46 AM

Anyway, nothing against you. The mark is to negate trust left To Anduck and Quickseller.

This further clarifies that the only reason for your sudden change from trusted to distrusted is these two ratings, and clearly implies that if those were to go away, trust would be back to what it was: trusted.

Vod you're a documented liar. More lies at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4415201.msg39447493#msg39447493 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4415201.msg39447493#msg39447493)

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Vod on April 26, 2019, 09:59:17 PM

Quote from: Anduck on April 26, 2019, 09:46:43 PM

as you shamelessly deny these events...

lol.. not worth reading further.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: marcotheminer on April 27, 2019, 06:40:26 AM

Quote from: Vod on April 26, 2019, 08:45:24 PM

Quote from: marcotheminer on April 26, 2019, 01:12:07 PM

More dumb shit. Users even block PM's to avoid having their trust-bombed victims message them. Look at my account people - fucking bullshit all the way through.

Ok first off, thank you for being willing to consider. Though understand that most people on this forum can't formulate a genuine opinion/conclusion by themselves so they copy whatever person makes the first move ("oh yeah, that seems right, I second the notion" kind of bullshit). This is not directed to anyone, just a general observation I've made. Next, they stick to their opinions like glue - look into the history of some of my trust-leavers you'll see how arrogant some are (pots calling the kettle black? are we all in the wrong? probably..).

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Zeroxal on April 28, 2019, 02:04:57 PM

Quote from: minifrij on April 19, 2019, 06:34:13 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 06:05:36 PM

Surely wasn't the type of talking you were doing in Slack the night of the extortion. Almost comical how much your tune has changed.

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 06:05:36 PM

I appreciate your apology and I accept it :) Like you stated, I have moved on on this whole thing years ago.

Just bring some light to the whole case from my point of view:

Although minifrij wasn't directly involved with the whole case, he was pretty active on the side of the case. Instead of actively making subjective claims and accusations, he used information he gathered to come to his own conclusion, while still being very communicative with the ones who were directly involved. Hence the simultaneous actions being taken along with TMAN and Lauda within this forum (thread locking, ...). However, I cannot say for sure if he was assisting the others in their extortion attempt or not, but I can recall that while he tried to be as neutral as possible, his messages on slack were rather supportive to the "extortion ring" (might be because of peer pressure).

Although he never accused me directly, he did publish a thread in indirect efforts to ban my account with the reasoning of ban evasion, before locking it again after we tried to settle the case privately instead of making wild accusations throughout the forum... He reopened a thread requesting for me to be banned after I told him that theymos has cleared me of previous rule-breakings, just to have an official proof posted publicly.

Some could say that the possible threat of an account ban proposed by minifrij might be part of the whole extortion. But for me this whole thing has been settled years ago and in my eyes, minifrij has tried to be as neutral as possible in contrast to the others who just tried to hurt my reputation using their "witch hunt" method of scam accusations.

--

I can vouch for Og for being very supportive in such a situation while other people who trusted me previously were blinded by those fake accusations. He tried to be objective as possible and tried to cheer me up through the whole witch hunt. People who are still accusing Og for running a ponzi or being a trust abuser are like the witch hunters who tried to hurt me. There is a reason why his trust allows him to be a treasurer of this forum.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: suchmoon on April 28, 2019, 02:24:03 PM

Quote from: marcotheminer on April 27, 2019, 06:40:26 AM

Quit lying marco. I have revised my feedback once as did some others. How many third, fourth, nth chances do you need? Had you stopped fucking around with exit-scam-sized loans you'd still have a positive trust rating. You know you lost your argument when your only defense is to make up an army of straw people. And yes, the overwhelming consensus is that you're wrong but as you said multiple times those ratings don't prevent you from getting loans so why don't you carry on with that and stop whining.

Title: Re: Forum Trust System: broken or not?
Post by: philipma1957 on April 28, 2019, 03:16:57 PM

Quote from: Jet Cash on March 20, 2019, 09:01:02 AM

You would need more then one staff member.

Two for English posts.

And some kind of setup for other languages.

I guess the English post guy or girl could both be fluent in three languages .

So two full time would cover six languages.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: OgNasty on April 28, 2019, 05:15:49 PM

Quote from: Zeroxal on April 28, 2019, 02:04:57 PM

Quote from: minifrij on April 19, 2019, 06:34:13 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 06:05:36 PM

Surely wasn't the type of talking you were doing in Slack the night of the extortion. Almost comical how much your tune has changed.

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 06:05:36 PM

Ya, the crazy thing is that minifrij apologizes, and then continues his attacks if you don't obey his commands... Do you know how many times he's pretended to apologize, removed feedback, and then replaced it with nonsense ratings like the most recent here:

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/s0OPc.png

It's this constant attacking of innocent people over a period of years for pointing out his misbehavior and lack of trustworthiness that honestly is more concerning than the half-witted attempts to silence an extortion victim. He is clearly the guilty party in this situation, but yet it's my trust rating that is marked negative as he replaces his feedback regularly to give it more visibility. This is the sort of behavior that is detrimental to the trust system and he should be removed from DT2 for it. The trust system needs to be cleansed of users who do not follow it's intent and those who enable this behavior.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: minifrij on April 28, 2019, 08:13:13 PM

Quote from: Zeroxal on April 28, 2019, 02:04:57 PM

I appreciate your apology and I accept it :) Like you stated, I have moved on on this whole thing years ago.

Thank you, I appreciate that.

Quote from: Zeroxal on April 28, 2019, 02:04:57 PM

Although minifrij wasn't directly involved with the whole case, he was pretty active on the side of the case. Instead of actively making subjective claims and accusations, he used information he gathered to come to his own conclusion, while still being very communicative with the ones who were directly involved. Hence the simultaneous actions being taken along with TMAN and Lauda within this forum (thread locking, ...). However, I cannot say for sure if he was assisting the others in their extortion attempt or not, but I can recall that while he tried to be as neutral as possible, his messages on slack were rather supportive to the "extortion ring" (might be because of peer pressure).

I must admit that I made judgement too quickly in your case (mostly because of being swept up in all the commotion). I can do nothing but apologize for this, and due to it I've not gone into the 'scam-hunter' area since.

Quote from: Zeroxal on April 28, 2019, 02:04:57 PM

Although he never accused me directly, he did publish a thread in indirect efforts to ban my account with the reasoning of ban evasion, before locking it again after we tried to settle the case privately instead of making wild accusations throughout the forum... He reopened a thread requesting for me to be banned after I told him that theymos has cleared me of previous rule-breakings, just to have an official proof posted publicly.

And, I still stand by making this thread as I did at the time (hence it being reopened once the whole thing had settled down, until there was a confirmation by a staff member). I hope that you know that it wasn't personal, and in the same situation - at the same time - I would've made the thread about anyone that openly admitted to such.

So, we now have the following people saying that I'm not guilty (if we take the 'innocent until proven guilty' route):

1. The person that was extorted:

Quote from: Zeroxal on April 28, 2019, 02:04:57 PM

However, I cannot say for sure if he was assisting the others in their extortion attempt or not

2. The extortionist:

Quote from: Lauda on March 27, 2017, 10:07:52 AM

The thread, especially the OP, contains highly incorrect information (e.g. minifrij) about the incident.

3: A neutral third party:

Quote from: shorena on January 27, 2017, 08:38:24 PM

#3 I left no rating to minifrij because the connection is not strong enough for it. The timing is odd and Im wary, but its not enough for a rating IMHO.

And yet I am still painted as such. You can bitch about how I revoked my apology after you blatantly disrespected me multiple times, Og, but the rating by you on my profile is a lie and there is no solid proof to support it. The same cannot be said about mine on yours.

Edit - Just to give some proof of how my rating is accurate:

Quote from: OgNasty on April 28, 2019, 05:15:49 PM

Once. I sent you an apology once, for using personal insults when talking to you. I've never said that I take back any of the distrust, or actions I've taken towards you. You then continued to call me a scammer and a criminal, which is nothing but unwarranted lies, and so I revoked it.
"Do you know how many times he's pretended to apologize..." seems to imply that is more than once - twisted words to make me look bad.

Quote from: OgNasty on April 28, 2019, 05:15:49 PM

but yet it's my trust rating that is marked negative as he replaces his feedback regularly to give it more visibility.

I replaced my neutral feedback - which had no effect on your trust score - twice. The negative currently on your profile is the first one that I have ever left you, and will stay there.
"he replaces his feedback regularly to give it more visibility" seems to imply that I am abusing the trust system by replacing a negative feedback - twisted words to make me look bad.

And yet again, you are trying to call on theymos to overrule a decentralized system because you personally dislike the result of it. Get over yourself, you're not special.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: OgNasty on April 28, 2019, 11:12:23 PM

minifrij, your rating is a joke, and your constant removal/replacing of it because you think you’re special and your ratings should matter more than others show the delusions are all on your side buddy.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: minifrij on April 28, 2019, 11:36:53 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 28, 2019, 11:12:23 PM

Then provide proof of your claims, for once, so people actually believe you. It's not a difficult concept, and you might actually get somewhere if you did it.

There's a reason you were booted off of DT1, and it's not because the system is wrong.

Your obvious trolling is obvious. I'm a fool for thinking you could ever have the humility to admit you were wrong.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Vod on April 29, 2019, 12:03:44 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 28, 2019, 11:12:23 PM

How many times have you added / removed Lauda from your abusive trust list, scammer? :)

Quote from: minifrij on April 28, 2019, 11:36:53 PM

Your obvious trolling is obvious. I'm a fool for thinking you could ever have the humility to admit you were wrong.

He never will remove anyone willingly. He will just lie about it (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5136576.msg50808378#msg50808378). :(

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: OgNasty on April 29, 2019, 01:19:58 AM

And that ladies and gentlemen is the Trust System’s Stupid Shit.

Thanks for playing.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Vod on April 29, 2019, 01:28:30 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 29, 2019, 01:19:58 AM

And that ladies and gentlemen is the Trust System’s Stupid Shit.

Thanks for playing.

Now OG starts a new game... repeated threads and drama where he cherry picks words (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5136576.msg50790020#msg50790020) to cover his lies.

Since OG's trust abuse can't be noticed as easily, we decided to stop using trust and argue forever. :(

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: OgNasty on April 29, 2019, 05:32:12 AM

Quote from: Vod on April 29, 2019, 01:28:30 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 29, 2019, 01:19:58 AM

And that ladies and gentlemen is the Trust System’s Stupid Shit.

Thanks for playing.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: marcotheminer on April 29, 2019, 07:25:41 AM

Quote from: suchmoon on April 28, 2019, 02:24:03 PM

Quote from: marcotheminer on April 27, 2019, 06:40:26 AM

"Carry on", through bullshit? Yeah, I'm doing so thanks - still more ideal to have a proper reflection on here. It's basically a second chance and just because a handful of people after reading the opinions of the same handful of people let their Crypto paranoia overcome them doesn't mean there is "overwhelming consensus".

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: The-One-Above-All on April 29, 2019, 10:13:57 AM

Quote from: Vod on April 29, 2019, 12:03:44 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 28, 2019, 11:12:23 PM

How many times have you added / removed Lauda from your abusive trust list, scammer? :)

Quote from: minifrij on April 28, 2019, 11:36:53 PM

Your obvious trolling is obvious. I'm a fool for thinking you could ever have the humility to admit you were wrong.

He never will remove anyone willingly. He will just lie about it (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5136576.msg50808378#msg50808378). :(

The trust systems stupid shit = The trust system . Or rather the merit system which is now also the trust system.

What VOD says may be true in part, but it is not OGnasty's fault. I blame THEYMOS for this absolute mess. He sat on his hands for months watching OBSERVABLY untrustworthy scammers and liars gang up and gradually spoil the trust of honest members that never scammed any person here. To the point now that a LARGE sign appears at the top of the page saying this thread is started by a SCAMMER? Also VOD is observably guilty of the same thing. VOD admits lauda or atriz have deserved red trust before but says he dare not give them red trust because he can not do so without them painting him red and ruining his own account. That is how it read to us anyway. So no double standards here VOD. The trust systems design prevents scammers getting tagged in some instances. Or forces removal of their tags once they get enough leverage on you. This is the problem with allowing scammers and their ass lickers on to DT1.

Quote from: Vod on February 22, 2018, 03:41:28 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on February 22, 2018, 03:38:21 AM

but this latest drama with Lauda has opened my eyes a bit...

Yeah, I've distanced myself with her. What can you do? You speak out and you get negative trust...

Quote from: Vod on February 24, 2018, 02:11:53 AM

How do I defriend Lauda without getting negative trust from her and ruining five years?

Quote from: OgNasty on April 06, 2018, 05:23:36 PM

Quote from: Vod on April 06, 2018, 05:14:26 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 06, 2018, 05:03:20 PM

Do you think it’s acceptable that Lauda hasn’t tagged aTriz yet? Do you think there is any reason why everyone shouldn’t tag aTriz for what he did?

Let me answer that this way - how can I leave negative trust for either of them without ruining my account?

As for your account being ruined if you tag one of them, I’m well aware. I guess the difference is that I do what I feel is right regardless of how it may effect me, and you appear to be having your true opinions silenced out of fear. So forgive me if I take your criticisms with a grain of salt.

Ognasty runs a business , he is likely responsible for others investments. He is trapped by these broken and shitty merit and trust systems and those that self enabled their own entrenchment in the DT network via the observably gamed and broken metric of the subjective misleading merit system.

So faced with being BRANDED a scammer and risking the investments of others by an observable bunch of scammers and liars and their ever growing bunch of "merit powered up" ass lickers and loyal dogs. I guess his only choice was to capitulate and say fuck it under these pseudo decentralized gamed systems with no single point of accountability, I can not beat them so I must join with them or appear to join with them for now.

That was perhaps the wise play with investors concerned, but it certainly now has left him open to criticism. One simply does not go from being adamant that a member is "filthy dirty" with observable multiple instances of lying, scamming, extortion, trust abuse, and shady escrow dealings to saying " oh well they said they will not do anything like that again" so I decided to leave the entire community vulnerable to WHEN they do do it again? rock and a hard place comes to mind. Do we believe ognasty believes Lauda is safe to the community and is not a scammer FUCK NO!!

POOR move by OgNasty. But what else could the poor wretch do? Theymos was seemingly happy for months to watch OG's account get ruined in the name of some strange experiment in pseudo decentralizing trust whilst essentially handing it over to OBSERVABLY dirty and treacherous scum and their supporters that are only entrenching themselves deeper daily. Someone that is guilty of ALL of those scamming, extorting, lying, shady escrow, flagrant trust abuse is glowing 300 green POSTIVE trust. WTF is this board doing? It is setting members up to GET SCAMMED.

How many more times could OGnasty have indirectly pleaded for help from Theymos and complained that DT was infested with observably corrupt and scamming dirt bags??? He is partially to blame too. Being too much of an ass kisser to authority does not help authority "oh perhaps it will improve" "oh perhaps he has his own reasons" "perhaps this is early teething problems" . It fails to help highlight obvious flaws. The creator of any system wants to give their systems a chance to work and will be unrealistic regarding its performance and potential. Better to hit them with the truth. Those systems can never work as they are and are completely dangerous and misleading and crush free speech with no single point of accountability. "meh all my buddies are getting away with it I will get away with it too" then if questioned we all stick together and win through force of numbers?? theymos won't do anything about it except make another post we can ignore. Lauda reads it and says fuck off. I will red trust who I like with no evidence other than they tried to mention things I want to remain hidden. LOL : "I have no need then to change ANY of my ratings" :)

Anyone telling the truth and presenting these observable instances is immediately painted red as a "scammer"??

Man up Theymos, tell these OBSERVABLE dirt bags : red trust only scammers and those you can present a STRONG case have scammed or intend to scam or you with be BLACKLISTED immediately. Linking merit to trust was the most crazy thing I have witnessed on this board. You would have to have rocks in your head to think that was the single metric to represent trust here. I mean look at the results so far? people who greedily give all the merits to each other and all spamming gambling and mixing sigs for max payout are obviously the most trustworthy real enthusiasts who care about the community and not just self enriching themselves?? makes perfect sense OR DOES IT?

Theymos is ultimately responsible as the warden of this board and his decentralized experiment has FAILED. Merit is the carrot , red trust is the stick to create an echo chamber and a place for them to act as they wish with impunity . BOTH carrot and stick mostly controlled by the same group of observable liars, scammers, trust abusers, and their supporters , total collusion no decentralization. BYE BYE free speech. The financial incentive to abuse the fragile systems is clear.

Everyone will eventually face the same choice as OGnasty you can not currently beat them they control the keys to DT1 via merit allocation which is subjective and can not be questioned, join with them for merits, join with them for paid2post, for trading, for an easy life, maybe even be one of their supporters on DT even if you only been here a few months if you really ass kiss and demonstrate you will back their actions, Or see your account ruined, kiss goodbye to merits, paid2post and trading and an easy life here.

The only people that are free to speak the truth are those that don't care too much for red trust, no paid2post, no trading, no merits and a tough time here. Those are few and far between if any.

I am not anti theymos in that we feel he is not intentionally destroying the boards free speech. I am anti theymos's systems merit and DT creations. The long game is too long, the start was too poor. You start off on that fucked trajectory there is no pulling it back for a LONG time. DT selection process could work better if there was a more sensible metric or combination of metrics to base it on. Merit is broken and beyond help. Restrict it to snr rank and below after that decouple it from rank.

It is like a reasonably "fair" dictator saying " for the good of my kingdom I will now give over power to the very most observably dishonest, untrustworthy and greedy generals , they are free to select only those they feel best suited to help them govern you all, bye bye " err yes btw " generals please be good" IF he had given power to his more fair and honest generals then perhaps things could have gone better. Still people will devolve to greed and self interest within a certain time frame regardless.

When you have one of the worst and most observably dangerous members glowing 300 green and honest members glowing -2000 red+ you know you fucked up.

Ognasty is not a scammer but he was forced into bed with one now and most others will red will gladly capitulate to get rid of "their own" red trust. Soon only we willl remain honest and loyal to satoshi's vision. Pushing for transparent,fair and equal treatment of all members, where scammers are correctly called scammers and honest members are correctly recognized as honest members. We like red trust from abusers it serves our purpose. We like the hate of scammers,liars, extortionists and their ass kissers.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: OgNasty on April 29, 2019, 05:07:43 PM

I wasn't forced into anything. I'm trying to do my part to heal tensions around here. Meanwhile idiots like minifrij are trying harder than ever to cause problems. These users who can't get on board with the trust system being a system of trust and not an extortion or slander tool need to be removed from it. It would be nice if that happened before another year of this nonsense. If you've included users like TMAN, minifrij, Last of the V8's, into your trust network... YOU ARE THE PROBLEM WITH THE TRUST NETWORK.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: suchmoon on April 29, 2019, 05:17:21 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 29, 2019, 05:07:43 PM

If you've included users like TMAN, minifrij, Last of the V8's, into your trust network... YOU ARE THE PROBLEM WITH THE TRUST NETWORK.

Interesting criteria but you forgot owlcatz. He also posted a negative rating for you, therefore must be a very bad person.

Or it could be that you're the problem.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: OgNasty on April 29, 2019, 06:02:11 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on April 29, 2019, 05:17:21 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 29, 2019, 05:07:43 PM

If you've included users like TMAN, minifrij, Last of the V8's, into your trust network... YOU ARE THE PROBLEM WITH THE TRUST NETWORK.

Interesting criteria but you forgot owlcatz. He also posted a negative rating for you, therefore must be a very bad person.

Or it could be that you're the problem.

Oh ya, owlcatz should be on that list also.

I hope one day you stop being such a prick suchmoon, or if you're gonna be a prick, at least do SOMETHING for Bitcoin. Anything.

I don't think I'm part of the problem, and I don't think the Administrators of this forum believe that, nor do a majority of users. theymos has distrusted TMAN for god's sake and users like Last of the V8's are only in DT2 because of TMAN's inclusion, how much more guidance do you need? Those users should clearly be excluded from DT.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: minifrij on April 29, 2019, 06:09:18 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 29, 2019, 06:02:11 PM

I hope one day you stop being such a prick suchmoon

Lead by example. Give some proof for the lies you spread about me.

Quote from: OgNasty on April 29, 2019, 06:02:11 PM

I don't think I'm part of the problem

Of course you don't, trolls are rarely self aware.

Quote from: OgNasty on April 29, 2019, 06:02:11 PM

theymos has distrusted TMAN for god's sake and users like Last of the V8's are only in DT2 because of TMAN's inclusion, how much more guidance do you need? Those users should clearly be excluded from DT.

So essentially, you want a centralized system that relies entirely on one person's judgement? Why are you interested in Bitcoin again?

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: suchmoon on April 29, 2019, 06:18:49 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 29, 2019, 06:02:11 PM

I hope one day you stop being such a prick suchmoon, or if you're gonna be a prick, at least do SOMETHING for Bitcoin. Anything.

You do realize that not everyone feels the need to brag about their "doings"? Probably not.

Quote from: OgNasty on April 29, 2019, 06:02:11 PM

I don't think I'm part of the problem, and I don't think the Administrators of this forum believe that, nor do a majority of users. theymos has distrusted TMAN for god's sake and users like Last of the V8's are only in DT2 because of TMAN's inclusion, how much more guidance do you need? Those users should clearly be excluded from DT.

Last of the V8s is not in TMAN's trust list. Kinda hard to take your lecturing seriously when you keep making shit up.

As far as theymos guidance - I don't think the intent is to make everyone's list exactly the same as his.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Vod on April 29, 2019, 06:25:28 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 29, 2019, 05:07:43 PM

I wasn't forced into anything. I'm trying to do my part to heal tensions around here.

no force. You had as choice like everyone else to smarten up or lose DT1 lottery privileges. If you want to be in DT someday, then yes, you were forced to remove your tags. :)

you are attempting to twist words like everything else.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: TMAN on April 29, 2019, 06:46:03 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 29, 2019, 05:07:43 PM

I'm trying to do my part to heal tensions around here.

Then stop fucking posting my name, I dislike you with a passion, you are an egotistical trumpesque narcissist with very questionable business practices, but I have done my upmost to avoid you for a long time now and yet you are mentioning me, fridj, Lauda and vod in every other post?

OG, grow the fuck up man. Like seriously fella move on, get off the high horse and go about your day, stick those you dislike on ignore and crack on with your club and all the other great things you do for bitcoin that you keep talking about. I know you wont, but ill tell you what I told my youngest kid "actions count louder than words"

so OG if you really believe this

Quote from: OgNasty on April 29, 2019, 05:07:43 PM

I'm trying to do my part to heal tensions around here.

please leave me out of your mini midlife crisis

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: bones261 on April 29, 2019, 06:50:06 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on April 29, 2019, 06:18:49 PM

Last of the V8s is not in TMAN's trust list. Kinda hard to take your lecturing seriously when you keep making shit up.

Yes, Last of the V8s happens to be one of the "stars" of the WO thread. I'm sure many of the people who have included him on their trust lists have absolutely nothing personal against Ognasty. In fact, I know of one person who has included him on the list that recently gave Ognasty a positive rating, after buying one of his coins.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: OgNasty on April 29, 2019, 07:32:55 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on April 29, 2019, 06:18:49 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 29, 2019, 06:02:11 PM

My apologies. You are right, I mistyped. I meant Hellot, who I caught trying to scam my escrow service: http://loyce.club/trust/2019-04-27_Sat_21.41h/351430.html

It's hard for me to keep all the trust abusers straight sometimes, especially when their lists change daily depending on who they're targeting that day. Thank you for correcting me.

TMAN, I'm not going to go away. I'm actually feeling more empowered than ever and fairly confident that your time on DT is nearing it's end.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: TMAN on April 29, 2019, 07:45:46 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 29, 2019, 07:32:55 PM

and fairly confident that your time on DT is nearing it's end.

Brilliant, i'm so happy for you and i am rather flattered that you have such a hardon for me, but OG these pathetic childish attempts to discredit me and bring me down to your level are just that pathetic. On DT or off DT my life wont change, i'm pretty sure the senior members attitude towards me is shown by the fact I have a fuck ton more votes than you for DT..

Enough of this anyway, you mean nothing to me so ill stick you back on ignore and crack on with my day. I have asked you to leave me alone and will just add a "OgNasty is not allowed to post" as a local rule in any threads I start. Simple enough to deal with something as insignificant as you.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: OgNasty on April 29, 2019, 08:21:21 PM

Quote from: TMAN on April 29, 2019, 07:45:46 PM

Brilliant, i'm so happy for you...

ill stick you back on ignore and crack on with my day. I have asked you to leave me alone and will just add a "OgNasty is not allowed to post" as a local rule in any threads I start.

Thanks. I'm a pretty happy guy but the more the merrier!

You ignoring me? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzpd0Yl44ZE) LOL. I don't intend to stop fighting against abuse on this forum, so I suspect I'll be occupying space in your head for a long time to come.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: suchmoon on April 29, 2019, 08:27:45 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 29, 2019, 07:32:55 PM

My apologies. You are right, I mistyped. I meant Hellot, who I caught trying to scam my escrow service: http://loyce.club/trust/2019-04-27_Sat_21.41h/351430.html

Really... It looks like you caught Hellot posting unfavorable comments about you, the most common offence for which you dole out red trust.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: OgNasty on April 29, 2019, 08:41:47 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on April 29, 2019, 08:27:45 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 29, 2019, 07:32:55 PM

My apologies. You are right, I mistyped. I meant Hellot, who I caught trying to scam my escrow service: http://loyce.club/trust/2019-04-27_Sat_21.41h/351430.html

Really... It looks like you caught Hellot posting unfavorable comments about you, the most common offence for which you dole out red trust.

Then maybe you need to do some research. When it comes to me, you seem to side with the blatant scammers every single time. This is why I don't trust your opinion. You very obviously have an ulterior motive, and you really should get over it. It isn't helpful. I get that your only claim to being involved with Bitcoin is what you post here, so you constantly insert yourself in things that have nothing to do with you and that you have no knowledge of, but seriously, it's getting really old. Do something productive for Bitcoin and stop harassing those that do.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: suchmoon on April 29, 2019, 08:48:20 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 29, 2019, 08:41:47 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on April 29, 2019, 08:27:45 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 29, 2019, 07:32:55 PM

My apologies. You are right, I mistyped. I meant Hellot, who I caught trying to scam my escrow service: http://loyce.club/trust/2019-04-27_Sat_21.41h/351430.html

Really... It looks like you caught Hellot posting unfavorable comments about you, the most common offence for which you dole out red trust.

Then maybe you need to do some research. When it comes to me, you seem to side with the blatant scammers every single time.

I did some research and I don't see any proof that Hellot tried to scam you. Perhaps you need to revise your feedback and/or provide a better reference if that's the case. Otherwise it fits the disturbing pattern of your thin-skinned ratings in personal squabbles...

Quote from: OgNasty on April 29, 2019, 08:41:47 PM

This is why I don't trust your opinion. You very obviously have an ulterior motive, and you really should get over it. It isn't helpful. I get that your only claim to being involved with Bitcoin is what you post here, so you constantly insert yourself in things that have nothing to do with you and that you have no knowledge of, but seriously, it's getting really old. Do something productive for Bitcoin and stop harassing those that do.

... and your holier-than-thou attitude towards anybody who doesn't worship you.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: OgNasty on April 29, 2019, 08:57:52 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on April 29, 2019, 08:48:20 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 29, 2019, 08:41:47 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on April 29, 2019, 08:27:45 PM

Really... It looks like you caught Hellot posting unfavorable comments about you, the most common offence for which you dole out red trust.

Then maybe you need to do some research. When it comes to me, you seem to side with the blatant scammers every single time.

OK, do better research. LOL. You keep insulting me and claiming I have thin skin. I'm not sure that means what you think it means. It's almost like you have an ulterior motive that keeps you from even engaging in any meaningful conversation. You are obsessed with pushing forward a false narrative at any cost. I hope someday you grow past this and can learn to want to see this community and those that support it honestly thrive.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: suchmoon on April 29, 2019, 09:10:41 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 29, 2019, 08:57:52 PM

You keep insulting me

I'm sorry about this misunderstanding. I'm merely trying to make fun of you. Having dealt with narcissists IRL it's a relief to be able to just laugh it off here. If I tried to insult you I would do a far better job, perhaps ask TMAN to help me out with the vocabulary.

So I take it the Hellot thing is not really a scam. By my last count the ratio of your negative feedback was ~ 3:2 against people you dislike vs people who might actually be untrustworthy. If you don't trust (LOL) me on that you could take the hint from the length of the distrust list you amassed in DT1.

But hey, at least you do something for Bitcoin or so I've heard.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: Vod on April 29, 2019, 09:38:27 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 29, 2019, 08:21:21 PM

LOL. I don't intend to stop fighting against abuse on this forum, so I suspect I'll be occupying space in your head for a long time to come.

Luckily, a cooler head intervened, and made OG remove his trust abuse, so maybe the forum will quiet down a bit...

OG, as others have asked, can you leave me out of your mid life crisis please?

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: marcotheminer on April 30, 2019, 08:12:00 AM

When we try to talk about trust we devolve to drama. Naturally and understandably ofc.

Title: Re: Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit
Post by: marcotheminer on December 07, 2019, 08:46:44 AM

More stuff about @Vod. Ref.: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5205292