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As someone that posts here casually, sometimes just a couple of posts a week as of lately, I see some people putting a ton of effort here, not only in amount and quality of posts, but in various tasks, such as managing signature campaigns and other gigs, and some do forum statistics research too, some do freelance jobs for graphic designs, some offer escrow services... there are many tasks to do here that if summed could make a nice wage specially in some countries. If I had to do all of that I wouldn't have time to have a so called real job

So my question is: Is anyone here making a full time job out of forum tasks? If so, how is your daily life? Do you tell people that you make a living on a bitcoin internet forum? How do buy stuff if you don't pay any taxes? Or you do file tax earnings for your BTC? Perhaps someone is doing it as a side-job to supplement their real job? There are many doubts of people when it comes to signature campaign earnings tax-wise. I just wonder if anyone has made a career out of this. I wonder if you could add on your resume that you dedicated your time to this. Time is very valuable and some spend a lot of time on it after all.

There are so many different reasons that forced them to do those works.
Each person has own reasons to do this.
- For money, such as joining campaign, managing campaigns, doing Escrow services, making graphic designs
- For their love in works they did, such as making forum statistic analyses.
- For their generosity to help others
I don't know the percentage of those ones per all forum users (real ones), but I think there are people who spend their full time in forum activities, especially concurently with crypto trading, investing. It's ridiculous if you or someone else say that you do full time works here, and never invest or trade crypto.  ::)
Are you government staff?  :P

Well, obviously I would expect people like theymos to be able to spend full time on the management of the forums, but theymos is probably loaded anyway from being an early miner. Im interested in "average joe" cases.

And no im not a government staff, also obviously. Im just curious how people would deal with expenses if you get paid 100% on Bitcoin. If you wanted to buy a property or a car you couldn't just show up with your coins and buy it. Im dealing with these problems myself as nobody has a clear idea how something as exotic as "signature campaign earnings paid in bitcoin" fit in.

I remember there was a guy here that was living 100% on bitcoin and his home was an actual boat. Now that's interesting.

I have no doubt that Bitcointalk is the main income of some people on some countries, especially 3rd world countries like Venezuela.

Anyway, I'm going to try to answer some of your questions.

Very rarely. I only tell my closest friends about bitcoin in general. Gotta protect myself from $5 wrench attacks.

I sell my BTC quite rarely. Not sure about taxes, as I have zero idea on how taxes work here in the Philippines regarding bitcoin and crypto.

Earning on Bitcointalk for me, is both a side-income and a hobby. I'd still be posting around here even if signature campaigns were non-existent, just a bit less because of course, I gotta focus more on earning through jobs/businesses rather than spending most of my time on my hobbies and passions that doesn't help me financially. I really hate when people say stuff like "Oh yOu'Re oNly oN BitCoiNtAlk JuSt BeCauSe of sIgnAtUrE CaMPaiNs".

Aside from the Admins/Moderators- LoyceV (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=459836), DdmrDdmr (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1582324), Hhampuz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=881377) and, Sir. yahoo62278 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=355846) - Here's a shortlist of a great member of this forum who continues to work well and spend their precious time to deliver a good work (Many more!),

Considering the time, effort, and kind of work they've done in this forum I can say that they really work hard on this and I guess it's not just because they needed to but its their passion and that passion help's them to earn more.

I personally have my own job during days, but I make sure to work hard also in this forum so I can have more source of income. I'm not doing this for a living, but I'm trying my best to be financially free someday so I can spend more time on cryptomarket.

i don't think anybody who is actually living off the forum is going to step forward and announce it publicly!

i also consider living on bitcoin different than living off the forum. i have been thinking about going full bitcoin mode for some time now. i will probably do it during the next altcoin pumping season but that would mean me spending less time on the forum as i would be busy elsewhere making bitcoin :P.

For me not, the Forum is a place for discussing, about crypto and bitcoin, because currently we are engaged in the bitcoin field, the Forum was formed in 2009, whereas we have long been working in the real world with a fixed income, monthly average of $ 1333, whereas in the Forum campaign the monthly income is an average of $ 100, so for forums only information outside is more real.

In everyday life as usual, working as usual, the forum takes 1 or 2 hours, to discuss.

Not, For now, buy goods for needs still with state money, few use bitcoin, generally with paper money.

As I said above, not solely for income. no tax

Not.

certainly.

When I think of people making a living off bitcointalk, usually what comes immediately to mind is signature campaigns.  The other things in that list are kind of specialty work which isn't as common as simply putting advertising in your signature space, which most members here do.

As for myself, no I don't earn my living on this forum.  I just discovered early on that it would be leaving money on the table if I were to be an active poster on a forum that I liked and not join a campaign.  Not only does it provide some extra spending money (which isn't peanuts, by the way), it gives me some bitcoin to play around with.  It's much easier to try my hand at altcoin trading with what I earn from campaigns than to use the cash I have from my real job--I don't even have a way to buy bitcoin with cash unless I do it here with PayPal, and that's often problematic.

OP, I've always had the impression that a lot of people use this forum as their place of work, but I'm betting that most of them won't bother to stop by this thread and tell you about it, likely because they're so busy shitposting in one of the mega spam sections and won't notice a thread like this in Meta.  But I've come across lots of members who are probably relying on the money they earn here to support themselves.  I can't tell you how many PMs I've gotten from people I've negged, telling me how badly they need their account to live, etc., etc.  I don't know if they don't have enough education or skills to hold a real job or what, but I'd say at least half of the bounty-hunting population is doing it as full-time employment.

Not yet, but I'm planning to do so and if ever I will make full time in cryptomarket not just in this forum. Meaning I will become a full time trader, this is actually my dream.  ;)

I will not tell anyone because I want to remain anonymous to my friends so I can work freely from their judgement.  :D


Depends on how you spend your years on bitcoin, but if you just do a normal staff I think it will be hard for you to sell yourself to any company.

Our success will also depend on how we maximize our TIME.
This is the most precious of all, so try to do everything when you still have TIME or else you will regret it later on.

Bitcointalk.org has always had 100% of its income and the vast majority of its expenses in cryptocurrency, and personally I try to buy things with BTC whenever possible. My goal is to see a self-contained BTC economy someday. Cryptocurrency acceptance has actually gone down in some sectors since ~2013, though, probably because BitPay sucks so incredibly much and point-of-sale tech in general isn't really there yet.

Currently, it'd be almost impossible to live without touching fiat. For major purchases you could maybe convince the seller to accept BTC as part of the negotiation, but the biggest issue is day-to-day expenses like food. You could do it if you allowed for buying fiat-denominated gift cards with BTC, though really that's cheating.

In poorer countries, it may be easier in some ways to deal with BTC than fiat. I wonder if more complete BTC economies are forming in these countries due to this. It happened to some extent in Venezuela, but they're also dealing with insane hyperinflation.


In the US at least it's probably self-employment income (using the USD value at time of payment), reported on schedules C & SE.

I am just living with the forum since I quit my daily job recetly. I invested more money into passive investments (many ways other than cryptos) which is giving more than enough for now so I am now concentrating more on crypto trading and will try to give all of my effort to become a real pro crypto trader.The knowledge I got from this forum for investing plan helped me to get better investment on many ways so literally for now I am living with the forum but not from doing jobs here. :)

I personally, do what ever I'm doing on forum be it participating in signature, rendering my services or learning etc as part time as I have a full time job that take most of my time but it doesn't pay that much. If I was to stick only to my "real job" I will be earning ~ $82 monthly but in just 2weeks of paid signature campaign I got that covered.  No doubt the forum is offering a lot of help to it's members as they can leverage on the numerous opportunity to earn legitimately on the forum. Of recent i just picked interest in Signature Bounty Management (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5124211.0) and hopefully when i gain a lot of experience I'll concentrate just on managing Paid bitcoin campaign although those aren't my main reason on forum but I can quit my said "real job" and dedicate my time fully to offering services on the forum.  We shouldn't rely on forum anyway as that wasn't the main purpose of creation that's why I do a little bit of trading off forum too.

In my personal experience this forum help me to learn about the especulation. Information about some proyect, the basic about how to avoid getting scammed. Here was the first  place where i learn about the trading basics... So personally im  very thankfull about the people this forum help me to get in touch with.. so its now about the forum its about people together with the same passion.

I think there are a decent number of people in third world counties that earn money via signature campaigns (and as of somewhat recently, bounty campaigns). The reaction of some people to this year's April fools joke, makes me somewhat believe there could be people organizing others to "work" in ways that would resemble an employer-employee relationship. The problem with many of the people from third world counties making a living off of signature deals is that they often do not have any real knowledge of bitcoin or cryptocurrency and don't appear to have any real interest in learning.

I suspect that some of the people who run signature/bounty campaigns do so for a living, as they are doing so many that I cannot see them having time for a full time job. I believe shdvb (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583572.0) at least used to make a living from the forum, although he doesn't seem to be very active anymore -- perhaps he realized sufficient capital gains in 2017 that he doesn't need to work as much anymore, same with zazarb (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1092531.0). In 2014 and 2015, there were more people that at least appeared to make a living from currency exchange section trades.

I suspect the majority of 1st world people that conduct business here do so for side income, or is also in school. You certainly are not going to make enough money in signature campaigns alone to earn a living in the US.

The IRS has offered (https://www.irs.gov/faqs/small-business-self-employed-other-business/income-expenses/income-expenses) tips on how to determine if income is "self employment" income or "hobby" income, and is based on 9 factors:

There is a regulation (https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=2c8c515e70d79f99314ab3dd0c63c6f4&mc=true&node=se26.4.1_1183_62&rgn=div8) that governs if a venture is "for profit" (and subject to self employment taxes. According to this (https://www.hrblock.com/tax-center/filing/adjustments-and-deductions/taxes-on-hobby-activities/) article by H&R block, hobby income is reported on line 21 of your 1040 and is not subject to self employment taxes.

One thing must be clarified if one puts earning from the forum as a primary motive or objectives that person would have hit bottom rock and faded away by now. I was on telegram the other day and a lady was telling me how she is no longer on this forum. Out of curiosity I check her account but all her post was bounty related feed backs with huge bounty report pyramids. She would have thrived if she was in the old system and not now.
An educated member of this forum told me that earning( tangibly)here starts when you must have taking your time to contribute to the forum meaningful and this not a days job.
As a women community leader I have educated women about the opportunities of cryptocurrency and suggested this forum to them even if as I work with the education ministry as a teacher. I still know with time I would be able to gain substantially here and support my educate a girl Child Project I have in mind.. It's just takes hard work

It very true that we are earning from this forum. Perhaps fee people's take it professionally, I mean as full time job on this forum. Because lot of user I have seen joined 50/100 bounty campaign. Then how they make post on social media and make report you they was not take this forum as a job?

However, about me I can say I was not even aware about it's possible earn bitcoin from here before join. After join this forum slowly I was realized that its possible earning from this forum. Yes, I have joined signature since I am spending enough time on this forum. And only trust on bitcoin that's why I am not doing any bounty or any altcoin signature even I have few spare time. I have a full time job in abroad and I am working continue. I just spend time here my free time/break time/tea time. Also I am working here in a good position that's why I have enough time.

Yes, share about my earning few of my colleagues or friends. Actual intention was spread word about bitcoin. They know I am getting few extra money from this forum. Although forum income isn't enough for my family spend but its helping enough. However, thanks to forum learning and earning opportunities.

I guess some people are putting the effort may be due to Merit implementation. I am not going to quit my job and paid campaign in this forum cannot be compared my job income. But earning in this forum just give me satisfaction that I can earn anonymously.
Actually , after coming to this forum I got so many business ideas to implement , I guess , now I have no time to sit idle ( whether I have job or not) because I will be occupied in learning and implementing those ideas.

I think it is not good to depend on the works being done here in the forum though there are many users earning huge(good for them) as they establish already a raport here and has talents also doing such tasks. But, if one is just only doing different bounty then this is not the right place to depend on. It is always better to look for a stable job especially if one has completed a college degree.

Now, it is good to be here in the forum but just consider it as a an another source for income. The forum could definitely help one out to earn and to support financially.

This is why it is really a privilege to be here in the forum.

As of now, I have earned 0.0015 BTC from my 4 weeks of signature campaign participation. Although I could have earned more, I don't have enough time to post for earning 2k satoshi per post. On top of that, I mostly post here for learning more about bitcoin. I'm a freelancer and a full time employee. I spend my free time here for learning bitcoin stuff.
If someone wants to make a living here from signature campaign, that will be a load of works. Moreover, it will be monotonous if you are posting for earning something. That's where the spam comes from. When someone posts for the sake of learning stuff/interest, it's possible to post 50 times a day but when you make it regular job, I bet you will be bored.

In my local, there's no one accepting bitcoin as currency/payment method. One of my adventure to spend BTC- A day with Bitcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5127009.msg50412610#msg50412610)
Some probably argue with me on it but the purpose was to show where we are living after 10 years of BTC.

At the peak of the bounty/ICO hype, I've seen claims of users earning $2000 per month from basically spamming social media for bounties. That's significant in any country, and enough to make a very good living in most countries. It didn't last long for them, it must have lead to more competition, bounty spammers using more alt accounts, and the rest is history.

My signature pays a decent amount of money, but I don't need it. It's small compared to my cost of living. If I divide my "Total time logged in" by what I earned from this forum, it's not worth my time at all :P But money isn't the main reason for posting here. I'm not selling nor buying Bitcoin, I'm just in for the ride. I've said before that I like the ride up more, after which someone (probably in the WO-thread so there's no way to find back a quote) responded that the ride down is more thrilling.

I wouldn't mind making a living off the forum though, but so far I've only been able to hook temporary signature campaigns to manage (and they didn't pay that much).

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I like to think of it from a different perspective too: the fact that this forum offers many opportunities to earn Bitcoin, and many people actually want it, is great for adoption.

In my case it’s a clear no. Whatever income I receive from the Signature Campaign is just a bit of play BTC to HODL, and I haven’t given it any thought other than that. The time I manage to scrape to do things on the forum is variable, and depends on my real-life workload which varies from time to time, while currently providing me a certain flexibility to adjust the day how I see fit to some extent (for now).

For it to be considered a source of income it needs to take into consideration the amount/type of crypto one manages to obtain, how they convert it to FIAT (at the end of the day, that’s where we are), and the cost of life in the country of residence.
 
Reading through posts on my local board, some people are struggling to make heads or tail on the path to follow to convert their crypto to FIAT after making some through signature campaigns. Trying to legalize it is not that trivial, and the IRS equivalents seem to lack a clear inner guide on how to deal with these cases, making the step bold, as one does not know the result beforehand too well, and the solution may well be rather dependent on who is on the other end of the desk.

I’ve also read a couple of cases of people going through Localbitcoins and somehow ending up sued by a scammer and/or having real issues with the equivalent of the IRS, to the point that the loss of crypto is nothing in comparison to the personal wear and legal situation that they are facing.

I have always wondered how much signature campaign managers earn in a good month. I am talking about bitcoin campaigns and the Top 3 managers that are easily found by just opening the Services section. I doubt they will tell us though  ;D

Earning a couple of $100s a month on the side is surely a plus and in some countries it means doubling their wages.

You won't get the answer just by asking them, use this trick contact the project/company they're managing a campaign for and act like you have a project you want the same manager to manage and ask for a price range luckily you'll get a response. In my quest to search for what other altcoin signature campaign managers are  charging I did the same and got an idea of what to charge with few discounts.

You can try asking them directly though like an inquiry and hopefully they'll respond. BTW based on my research (Altcoin though) managers charge differently based on duration of the campaign.

Probably a lot of young people or those that live in countries where 100$ means the difference between poor and middle class.

As for me, no way I could rely on the forum for income.
Lately, as in the last year with the kid growing up, with the wife away for a week every month, I never managed to get to the 50 posts per week mark.
Also, I've stopped being that active during weekends, haven't yet found a deal that would be better than playing with my kid in the park.


I'm in the best-paying campaign (99% sure??) but even so, at current prices, it would be 1/3 of my wage and...that doesn't include health benefits, unemployment insurance, and private pension contribution.

If I were to add those on top of the wage I would probably have to manage 5-6 altcoins campaigns, post my full quota and do some bounty hunting wasting time :D

I'm comfortable with the extra income that allows me to spend around some coins on various offers with touching my stash.
Some sort of allowance money.

Yesterday, I had applied in bustadice campaign managed by yahoo62278, I checked the spreadsheet and yahoo62278's name was listed there. It shows he is getting paid $150 per week for managing bustadice signature campaign. I didn't check other campaign spreadsheet, you can check and probably get the info about how much he gets managing per campaign.

I could pay my monthly internet bill with what I receive in one week of my signature campaign. And probably other small things as my dogs food, some beer. Unfortunately it would not be enough to pay for everything.

But what is the mostly interesting thing, is that I visit internet forum since 99, and Bitcoin talk is the only forum that I have received something for posting. I was mod and adm from a forum that was too 50 in Alexa ranking in Brasil. And receive nothing for this.

Even if we do not have many people making enough to live only from what they receive in the forum, I am pretty sure that Bitcoin talk would be eventually study as a new way of spend time with a hobby. Where you do not receive only "thank you" for your efforts in helping others, but receive money. Real money that you could spend on other things.

People put in a lot of effort to get merit, but most of them want to get merit, not only for merit, but to achieve higher rank, and higher rank will allow them to earn more in this forum. Of course, not everyone does that - there are certainly many enthusiasts who want to gain a rank for their own satisfaction, but they are certainly in the minority.

I used to wonder if it is possible to completely dedicate myself to the forum by giving up my job. It is possible that yes, but then you would have to focus only on doing business, finding new services and advertising them ... In other words, all the fun associated with being a poster / reader of this forum would disappear. At least that would have to look like today as a resident of a Central European country.

It would definitely be much different for a resident of a less developed country. For example, the page https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_price_rankings?itemId=105 shows 30 countries where the average monthly earnings of a resident is $ 500 and less. In this case, forum earnings in the amount of several hundred dollars per month may turn out to be much higher than the residents of these countries can achieve by working hard in their full-time work.


Please note that this site provides data from only 80 countries, so countries where you earn less than $ 500 per month is definitely more.

In other words, for the residents of developed countries, in most cases, earnings here are an addition to be used, for example, for a hobby. In the case of less developed countries, earnings may turn out to be VERY GOOD work (however, it must be remembered that people in these countries have much worse access to new technology due to their lower standard of living, so access to the forum is limited only to "selected" probably richer people).




The world is not fair ... It really depends on the place where you live. For you it's 1/3 or less earnings but If you would live in Nepal or Egypt you could probably feed your whole family only for your signature campaign....

I think for those who live in developed countries the forum is more like a hobby income. They have decent jobs, stable income and some free time to have fun.
For me, big part of what I have as crypo I bought with my money.
The income from the sig. campaigns I'm spending mostly on hardware to upgrade my PC and some get some gadgets without touching the family budget ;)
Happy wife, happy life they say.

Whatever you can make off doing tasks like this, you can make a TON more by using the information the board provides and trading on that information or just sig promoting for them on their ico.

Sure some people are likely making 5k+ per month or greater doing these things.

The BIGGER money is in ESCROW and also SIG campaign managing. Especially if you are holding a HUGE swathe of other peoples BTC when a fork happens to take place. Sig campaign managing depends on the deal they get from the project.

Still as I say.. avid reading and talking with some REAL devs (who also do keep their eyes on new and exciting ideas) will give you some great insights into trading and of course there you can make huge amounts of btc/money.

Some like consistent sig rev  BTC coming in from gambling, mixing, etc. However much more can be gained by picking just some great ALTs that will have a good chance.

For example one could have earned I think about 3 000 000 or it could have been 6 000 000 dollars for just saying a few sentences to promote an alt here previously and quite a few indeed did earn 100's K USD from just saying "i'm in" . So picking the correct one is also very important with airdrops.

Imagine a forum where you can get 6 000 000 USD for saying "hello Im in" - never has there been such place and we worry this place is going to die off  - no chance.  

It is only available for bustadice campaign because yahoo is also getting paid on his busta account,but the other campaigns he is managing on his own escow so by searching the other spreadsheet you can't find anything. ;)

But in my guess yahoo may charge more than $150 per week for other campaigns because bustadice is only having 16 participants but other campaigns were nearly 50 members so the managing fee also will get multiplied,so a project with 50 members he may get $500 per week.(Just my guess though.)

This here sums up how I got into campaigns in the first place. I got into BTC as it seemed an interesting way for me to earn passive income from mining, should I sell or a way to purchase goods without the potential fees.
I was here a couple of months before I realized that Sig Campaigns were a thing. The way I explained it to my partner at work was I'm doing it anyway, I'd be stupid not to earn at the same time. I still agree with this, as it doesn't change what I do here. Looking at my responsibilities and what I perceive as attainable income through the forum, it could never support me

I'm in a lucky spot, most of my active posting time at the forum is done from work. My career, pays well, but is dull 95% of the time, to the point where I literally just monitor screens looking for issues. When I'm away I generally just scan through the threads or do a lot more reading. So the Sig Campaign earnings are like a shift premium in a way when I'm at work.  

I do try to use the forum and BTC in any way I can, more so to try and create opportunities for a marketplace. I have sales threads up for items I thought may be of interest to users within N.A. So far no bitters from the forum, but maybe that changes. I have also used my earnings to grow my personal home mining farm to nearly capacity for what I'm comfortable allocating. This way if I need to step away from the forum for a while or personal issues arise and I'm not as active, I've invested in my future.

One of the things I like seeing the most is when people begin to develop business ideas through conversations here. Not directly earning from the forum, but helping to grow the number of uses for BTC outside of the exchanges, or payment services.

Agree with you completely as I have a similar story to yours. I had been working on signature campaigns from a long time and I must say that the money I get from it does complement the savings I make from my real job.
To be honest, the money did attract me in the beginning days and but as time passed by and I gained experience on this forum and now I kind of love the forum for whatever it is. It's really a big platform through which anybody can learn so much out of it. These days I concentrate less on the amount of posts and more on the quality of posts because that is what will benefit the forum and it's the only way I can think of right now to make my contribution towards the forum. I would definitely like to contribute more towards the forum but I don't know how should I do that.

Also I have a question:
What do you feel when these people tell you how important their account is for them ? Doesn't it makes you feel pity or something on them ?

I have been participating in this forum since 2017 and the weekly payments that I receive from campaign signatures helped me support myself as a student, as there are times where I use this money for my daily expenses.

As someone who is part of a family of 7 with a single father raising us, our expenses quickly pile-up as he needs to fulfill his daily obligation to feed us and pay for our individual education. There are times where I have been the least priority (eldest brother) in terms of money allocation and this quite took a toll on me whenever I attend my class with a hungry stomach and less study materials.

I used to receive $4-$5 every week (last 2017 when the price of each bitcoin was around $3700-$3800) and use the money to save for my next month's savings. As time passed by, my forum rank grew with my weekly payments increasing at the same time.

Now that I graduated college with a mindset and will for post-graduate studies, I use the a portion of my bitcoins to purchase books (these books are expensive as hell!) to at least support and mitigate the expenses so my other brothers do not experience what I had experience before while growing up.

I can say at least that this forum not only helped me individually but indirectly helped my family. This may sound exaggerated but without this forum and the convenience of working online, I guess my dream of pursuing my career as a future lawyer would not materialized and be just a goal that would be impossible to reach for the time being.

..There are a lot of reasons why people are getting involve in bitcointalk forum,,full time or part-time..some of these are:

1. TO EARN MONEY:
2. TO GAIN/ACQUIRE KNOWLEDGE:
3. TO LEARN:

..there are so many reasons to mentions,but I think these three are the most common reason why people are here on bitcointalk..by any means,,I am here in bitcointalk because I want to learn,gain knowledge and also to earn some money because bitcointalk really helps me a lot,,and i did not regret to be get involve in btt and become part of my journey in life..

Ahh! Show me the places like this where I should put "I 'm in". Even if I get 1/100 of it , I will run a signature campaign for you ( Cryptohunter for DT, looks good ???)

From your table, the monthly salary last from $180 to $500 (from the 29th to 1st positions).
I don't think that people can earn too much money in the forum like this as their full time job.
In average, for my rank (Full Member), the rate of btc campaigns ranged from 0.0012 BTC 0.012 BTC or just higher a little bit. $50 or $75 in some campaigns with bonuses for top merited participants.
Maybe, as their full time jobs, they do same jobs the same time, from signature campaign, to graphic designs, signature designs, Escrow service, as well as campaign managements, but I think that they have to work so intensively to hit such total monthly income.
It's a really hard work.

Checked another campaign bitsler managed by yahoo62278. As per the spreadsheet, he probably get $300 per week. In spreadsheet, there's an amount written every week below the participants payment. It's BTC +/- 0.07 BTC. That's a passive amount if he manages 3-4 campaign at once.
Nevertheless, it is not only about managing a campaign, it's about his reputation too which took years to build up.

I think in most developed, or for that matter, developing countries, it would not be possible to earn from this forum enough to make a living. For that, and I'm talking if you only use signature campaigns, you'd have to spam, which risks you getting banned. If you try out many other freelance jobs on the forum then maybe that would give a decent income, but its difficult to continuously find jobs that fit your niche. Also, a lot signature campaigns end (run only for a limited period of time), so its pretty hard to make a continuous income.

I never said that finding a well-paid campaign is easy but it is possible.
The rates for Members and Full Members are (as you know) not so high but you wrote that in this position you can find a campaign which pays $ 50- $ 75 - when you multiply it for 4 weeks, you reach $ 200 - $ 300 or more than the last ten places from the list I have shown.
Being Sr. With a Memo or Hero you are able to hit an even better $ campaign let's say 75- $ 100 , which means that the potential earnings per month increase to $ 300- $ 400, which means more than 20 bottom places in the table. I am not even talk about the best campaign here, where it gets very difficult to get (but still possible) where you can earn more than in each country I have presented.

Remember also that these calculations were made at the rate of bitcoin at the level of $ 4000 and as you know for a long time it was much higher which means that these payments could also be doubled or even tripled (I'm not talking about the extremely high btc rate in early 2018 when they were up to 5 times higher).

Once again, it is not easy to find a well-paid campaign, but this forum gives people from many countries the opportunity to earn monthly equal or even higher than average wages in their countries, and it still does not take 8 hours a day. If you add other bounty campaigns like Facebook, Twitter and so on to signature campaign (although today it is a very very risky source of income) some people can really treat this forum as a source of income sometimes even better and easier than "real" full-time job in their country.




Signature campaigns NEVER FORCE you to spam! It is always your decision what you post. If you can not write posts that are constructive, meaningful, interesting or at least you should not start the signature campaign - because it is not for you.




this is probably the best example of proper use of earnings from this forum

No, I don't make living off the forum and I'm not planning to do that. I think it would be stupid and even risky. What if campaign will scam you? What if you lose your Bitcointalk account? What if there simply will be no empty spot in campaign for you? There are too many risks. Offcourse, you're providing services here, it's normal to earn for a living here. But it's not easy. For example, we have lot of signature campaign managers and limited number of campaign. Simply it can be not enough job for you.
When Bitcoin was at $15 000 - $20 000, I was able to get from sig campaign more than I get from my main full time job. Now I just earn some extra cash from it. And I withdraw only smart part of my earnings. If I would withdraw more, I would have to fill all these tax declarations. When it comes to crypto, it's complicated thing in my country. There are simply too much hassle. I just hold biggest part of my earnings, some BTC I use for investments and for spending online sometimes.

Most people have this sort of dream where they can actually live off the internet in general, it all goes well until it does not, the forum and crypto in general are still sort of amateur, just like anything else in life, you may get lucky here and there , but as things develop only those who are actually experienced at something will end up making the majority of the money, so if you are just an average Joe, chances are you going to stick to your everyday's job till you retire.

I personally make more money mining and trading bitcoin than i make from my average IT related job, in fact if i quit my job today and invest all my time and effort in crypto, i could make 2-3 times more income, but then i'd be stupid, if crypto goes south i would be broke and will have to start all over after having lost all my clients and skills, things will be worse than ever.

TL;DR : unless you have a good amount of reserves, then living off the forum and crypto in general is too risky, there is nothing wrong with some extra income from signature campaign or trading goods and services, but don't go balls deep, just in case!

It is what happened in 2017 and even during early months of 2018, but things changed when bitcoin fell down, broke its supports and fell to below $4000 as well as altcoins fell to its nearly the same starts in early 2017 in BTC trading pairs.
It is always better to see earnings that you can get from your works in the forum as additional financial income for your live, not the main or only source.

I think it was only the first 20 people that got in for saying " I'm in"  - I was one of those lucky few :)

What about cryptocurrency trading?

Or just trading in general? It mostly happens in the Internet these days anyway, so if you are able to earn a steady and handsome income, what's wrong with that? I understand what you mean to say ("it all goes well until it does not"), but it is applicable to anything in life and even life as such (like you live, then you die)

Other than that, I am inclined to think that you are underestimating the impact of luck on our life. This is not to say that we should rely on luck alone (that would be gambling), but essentially, anyone of us, our very existence, is technically the outcome of a lucky coincidence of different factors


If crypto goes south, short it and earn even more


It is the same with anything in life and you should always be on the lookout for new opportunities

Today is the first time I got decent payment for BTC signature campaign (thanks @Hhampuz). With this amount of payment, I'm pretty sure that someone will make a good living in my country. The BTC economy is real dude!

As for me, "sadly" I already have a full job.

Congratulations mate. In my case i join the forum since 2017 but January this year was the first time I started receiving payment via signature and today was the biggest. I believed just like the early users, in years (5-10yrs) to come we'll be the ones telling the stories of how earning via signature was fun and profitable in our time because there's every possibility that the satoshi and USD value of bitcoin via payment will reduce within time.

That's not sad, you are even lucky to have a full time job and you also make money in this forum at the same time.
You can make a living here if you gain good income but signature campaign alone, I doubt you will survive, you have to be resourceful because there's plenty of opportunity in the online world, especially the crypto world.

It is why the income from forum (from signature, bounty managements, signature or graphic designs, escrow services, etc.) should be considered as supplementary income source, even the income source is bigger than your income from main job. If you can earn more income from the forum than your main job, it is good, and you should keep doing your good works in the forum to maintain your jobs here with good supplementary income, but simultaneously you should stick with you main job as your second plan when something serious happen in the forum.
Who knows when theymos leave the forum or shut it down?

It cuts both ways

Really, who knows when your boss is going to shut his shop down or finally make up his mind to boot you out? Moreover, businesses regularly go belly up on their own, and even the ones which are considered too big to fail (see Lehman Brothers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehman_Brothers)) while Bitcoin and crypto are not going anywhere in the near future (read, they are to stay with us)

Also, as Satoshi had a contingency plan (as he had been running the forum before theymos), so theymos might have one too. Apart from that, crypto is not just about bitcointalk only, so it in fact remains to be seen whether your "main job" is actually going to fare a lot better in the long run

I only do part time job here as a Signature campaigner, Since I join here there are lots of informations about crypto currency that I learned, this forum help me to achieved my knowledge about crypto currency, on the other hand about the earnings I earned a lot since then, I'm able to bought some things with the help of this forum as well. as long as you do well opportunities will come whether you ask for it or not.

I make a few hundred dollars worth of bitcoin per month. Obviously it’s not a living but it’s nice to add to my HODL nest by doing something I enjoy - discussing bitcoin with like minded people.

I don’t begrudge anybody from less developed countries making a living here as long as they post constructively & are trustworthy.

 

Is that from spamming your signature?  or do you do something that provides value for the forum?

That is not an insignificant amount to someone in the 3rd world.

Can you please provide some of your very best posts here for perusal. That others may learn from your original thought inspiring contributions?  I have been looking, alas I could not locate anything that I would care to put up as examples for others to follow. We all wait for you to produce some fine examples of your original thought inspiring contributioins, that have earned you these merits,and this btc crumbs each month.

This will be very interesting and also serve as a great guide to others seeking to earn money here.  Just 5 examples of your finest original thought inspiring posts. Then others can see the benchmark required for the few hundred dollars per month.

He doesn't have to prove anything to anyone or you. His record says it all. With the merit system it'll be hard for any spammer to make it pass the member rank status. You don't have to be an extraordinary poster to recieve some merit, instead of hating on those that are receiving merit they deserve maybe if you take you time to read through their post history, you'll learn one or two on producing quality post. If you have gone through his post history and can't find a quality post then you need some help. The problem is from you not him.

You are so rich, one of crypto whales.  ::)
You are right because the forum is one of the most worthy place to have serious discussion about bitcoin, and get important things in aspect of crypto technical terms, which mostly not found in other forums, or other platforms.
It makes sense, even payments from campaigns mean a lot of things for people who live in developing, low income nations. They don't do anything wrong if they maintain their post quality, only post when they have something meaningful to say, to discuss, or to help other members solve their issues.

If I were in a developing nation you can bet your bippy I'd be maximising the opportunities this forum made available to me. That's a superb demonstration of the power of this whole system in a nutshell. Some day if you added it all up it may have lifted a considerable number of people out of poverty and a dead end.

This place doesn't care if you're being hand relieved in Monte Carlo or living inside a putrid cow floating in the Ganges. The playing field is level and neutral and that's how more of the world should be.

If you were in any way financially precarious you'd have to be a mad person to depend on it as the means to stay alive. If you're already comfortable enough it's a fine way to spend a little time.

I made a lot from this forum and I've seen people earning millions per year (reputed bounty managers earn over 10 BTC for managing a single campaign or even more) while signature campaigns pay too less for anyone to even make a living. Taxes are a separate issue as SC's don't even pay an amount that fits into any tax bracket. Bounties, yes! You can easily make upto $1000 or even more just writing articles for 1 campaign so imagine ones taking part in just 10 campaigns and writing 5 articles per campaign ($50,000++). Most of them are students and they can make enough to buy a house for themselves.

its off topic, you don't make a living off the forum hence you polluting us with your cancer posts from an alt account you punk

Please stop making false accusations. Keep to your general pattern of swearing and crying. I find that more entertaining. So yes, my post is on topic where as most of your own and your friends posts are completely off topic, untrue and irrelevant to the initial post.

I make more than a living from the forum.

I mean you make a threadbare  living from the board I know. You sig spam constantly some low brow noise. I heard from others, you like to extort other members for their bitcoins also by harassing their parents? that sounds quite profitable? or perhaps it was some under cover agents story. That was funny. You could sell these excuses as comedy sketches when your untrustworthy schemes break down.

How about explaining how that revenue stream from the board operates, and the hilarious story to tell when you get busted.

Why don't you try robbing a bank. Then when you run into the cops on the way out you can tell them it was a security test?

Good for you. Im sure if I lived in a hut, used a windows phone, had a diet of 90% rice and wore sandals 24*7 I could make more than a living from posting shit on this forum. Fortunately for me my standard of living is far greater than that and check my join date my paddy-field residing peasant friend.. I dont actually need this place for "my living"

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If I'd be in the luxurious position of earning much more from a forum than in my main job, I would use it to plan an early retirement. If you live in a country where $2 per day is the standard, and you make 10 times more online, you'll make more in a few years than you would have made in your real job in a lifetime.

From what I've seen when I managed a bounty campaign, 90% of the "articles" are plagiarism. And apparently they're not used to being rejected, because when I rejected them, they quickly switched to homograph attacks and using text spinners (this was a pain to bust hundreds of those abusers, and that's probably why most bounty managers don't care). I don't think it's still possible to earn serious money as a bounty spammer.

As head (and tail) of the Merit Cycling Club, I can assure you that we do not discriminate on the basis of genome and there is no truth whatsoever to the rumours that our regular anilingual orgies are used to perform covert genetic testing of merit source applicants. ¬.¬

I thought we licked each others arse holes for fun.. you didn't tell me it was a test. fuck mate, feels more dirty now

You could not afford all of those luxuries. Stop dreaming and get back in that cardboard box with the pharmacist. People who need to spam sigs are obviously not that wealthy. Those that try to extort people are certainly taking a lot of risk for no reason if they can survive with out doing so.

Back on topic please keep to posting relevant material. Will you post your dummies guide to extorting other members on bitcointalk or not?  Or how to be an observable scammer and liar and still get on to highly paid sig campaigns. You may need help from your friend lauda to complete this guide for those wanting to make a living via untrustworthy methods here on bitcointalk.

So we have you can farm accounts and sell or try to sell them like nutildah.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1622642.5

You can possibly try to extort people like tman lauda and owlcatz here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.0

You can lie about scams that you profit from to mislead other potential investors , like lauda did here

This is regarding a project that announced a fair pow launch (no premine/instamine)

lauda then lied and constantly tried to deny the instamine took place. Lying for financial or unfair reward or advantage is scamming.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560138.msg7535561#msg7535561


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560138.msg6748208#msg6748208

So yeah, if you are corrupt, untrustworthy and willing to lie and scam people, and extort them; the financial rewards can be enough to live on.

I would rather suggest, that you use the forums wealth of information, to pick out the real projects that have a great team and a real use case. that have completed a large chunk of their road map and get in early on those projects. You will make far more money, and you will have competed fairly against others on this board.You can be proud of your rewards and not live in constant fear of your untrustworthy and greedy actions being thrown in your face.

Hey Fuck Knuckle. Do more reading. I didn't extort anybody, fool. Go back to your Mum's basement, I hear her calling for your tea, window licker.  ::)

Why this User hitting some decent forum members? is He out of his mind?

Hey You! please put all your rubbish on the bin and recognize this people's hard work.

kiss ass for merit somewhere else,the board is full of dumb 3rd world pajeets that will say anything for their next merit morsel.  

Review the evidence. The truth is not rubbish.  These people make money from abusing others, lying, scamming and other means. If they are decent to you then you will do well here for now.

You found a flaw in the evidence provided?


Owlcatz and tman sound very similar. Are you two alts of each other? I see you 2 and lauda always operating as a untrustworthy team ready to use red trust to silence any person that even brings up observable events from your past? You are either colluding to work as a team or you are the same person. This is not going away whilst you continue to abuse the trust system.

Its no secret that a lot of posters from impoverished countries are using this forum as their main income source.  I don't think many will be posting here telling everyone.......


I agree with The Pharmacistt, if you are already active poster on this forum and like to engage in discussions there is no reason to leave money on the table by not joining a campaign you agree with.

No, I have no full-time job now because I am a student now.
No only my family a little bit and my 3-4 friends known by me.
No, I don't pay any tax to cash out my money because I don't use a bank. Just sell my btc to another person who wants to buy btc in my country and sell to them via my local currency.

Yea we should take crypto as our part-time/side job because there is no guaranty crypto will give us money full of our life/ we can earn money from here a long time. Thanks

I have written articles for only 2 campaigns (2 articles) and both paid well like $300-$400 and there are many campaigns that pay for videos too so even if I get less stakes (I've seen many well-written articles) still you get paid a lot if the campaign is genuine and you submit genuine work. It's a terrible job to be a manager as it's not just 1 campaign you are managing and since anyone can be a part, rejecting multi-accounts and abusers is another terrible job and I've seen managers working 12-14 a day for like 4-5 months. I am not talking about spammers but I've seen genuine bounty participants too who make good money just like bounty managers.

I am not even counting the airdrops as there are airdrops that paid $500 (in altcoins) earlier. There were some campaigns which paid me 30k tokens worth $100000 for just announcing their ANN. So nothing is impossible.

just reading the responses of anyone with a paid signature makes my head hurt  ::)

What people call real job is the 9-5 slavery, right?

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This may not be necessary except they are family and friends or people you're trying to woo over to your line of business. Otherwise just do your thing. I am an online guy. I buy and sell Bitcoin to locals but there's a limit to how I speak about it to people. A musician doesn't need to prove he earns money singing, does he? No off course. Except s/he is bragging about it on musical vids.

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Definitely, there are people here whose only source of income is this forum and they are making a kill out of it. How do you explain someone making over 70 meaningful and constructive posts a week if they aren't solely dependent on BTT? You can't have such ample time if you have other engagements. In 2017, earnings from signature campaign was sustainable and could put food on the table. Senior Member ranks earned between 0.018btc - 0.02 btc which was over $150 for making 25 posts weekly. It was a great period here. Wish those days would come back now  :(

I am not, I think the people we can consider full time workers here are the staff and moderators of this forum because their job exists as long as the forum is running. Actually I wonder how much is their weekly/monthly salary ???.
I am just quiet about this forum before but after I spilled it out into my friend the news spread like a virus. Well, it's good somehow in a sense that many people are now getting interested to cryptocurrency but the sad part is they just came here for bounties and learning is only their second option.
I convert crypto into fiat first before buying because of lack of opportunities - our country is not yet having wide adoption of blockchain tech. Furthermore, our country is not so strict when it comes to regulations, we are free to enjoy our crypto earnings without dealing with any taxation.
Of course not, it has nothing to do with the job you are applying for. But if you are good on making avatars and signature tjen you might include "Skilled in graphic designs" in your resume.

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Yes it is! But have you ever hear of the 7-5 slavery? Lol.

This is an obvious example of personal bias

Or whatever it is called when you are trying to judge other people by your own metrics and abilities. In simple terms, if you personally can't do something (and it is applicable to anything in life, not just posting), it doesn't in the least mean that no one can do that (I know it hurts to know). More specifically, making 70 meaningful and constructive posts a week amounts to submitting 10 posts a day. If you spend like 5 minutes composing a post, it takes you less than an hour a day. So much for being dependent on BTT

Depends on what you call constructive, a construction post doesn't have to be like a medium article, 2-4lines posts (Android mobile view) can still be classified as constructive post if you know what you're saying. Beside we have numerous boards on the forum and if you're that passionate (especially towards bitcoin discussions) you can deliver such numbers of post in less than a week.  Visit this boards Bitcoin Technical Support (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=4.0) or Development & Technical Discussion (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=6.0) you'll find users engaging in construction post having 3-5 reply on a particular thread and all are meaningful as well as providing solutions to problems. I just enjoy reading through threads there.

Me as a bounty hunter I am not working here full time and I have a regular job so that I have still a sure money every month. If you are planning to make a living here you should be legitimate and industrious in your work. You should take any tasks.

That's 10 a day. You can pull that off just fine while running a life elsewhere. Many will have long commutes, lunch hours, nothing to do in their conventional job, or be insomniacs. And it all depends on how interested you are. If you're forcing yourself to come up with that content you could waste hours staring at a blank screen. If you're fully engaged in a subject the responses will flow.



I do find this attitude weird and interesting. The inference from some posters is that it somehow smacks of low morals to be paying for your existence through here rather than screwing the tops on salt shakers in a factory somewhere. It sounds like a great idea to me if you can keep it working for you.

Same goes for the hours you keep. I usually go to bed between 4-6am and wake up 10-12 ish. If you mention to people that you're tired because you woke up at 9am they go fucking ballistic. When you wheel out your white board and point out in exceptionally large numbers that 6am to 9am is a scant 3 hours they still think you're a bone idle piece of shit even though they were in bed at 10 and woke up 8-9 hours later.