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Title: France, Spain and Belgium Ready For Hard Brexit
Post by: Pab on April 05, 2019, 07:07:58 PM
One time again politicians are showing what  they are  able to do
Only his own interest count,only seats in his parliament count his position counts
Interest of nation interest of people is nothing for them
There is no agreement in GB leading parties about Brexit there is 5 to midnight and still there are only political games and very long senseless talks
There will be one big social and economic tornado in a case of no deal Brexit
GB will enter in to ice age for minimum three months or longer
And of course  no deal Brexit will have huge impact on financial world
Pound will lost 15 % at once will be crash on FTSE and other markets in Europe
I am posting that here because i think it can have big impact on bitcoin price

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/05/france-spain-and-belgium-ready-for-no-deal-brexit-next-week




Title: Re: France, Spain and Belgium Ready For Hard Brexit
Post by: dothebeats on April 05, 2019, 07:32:33 PM
I guess the bottomline of this whole Brexit debacle is actually the interest of a few people on their high chairs and not actually the people of GB itself. I mean, how many times was this rejected and they are trying to reappeal to no avail? For sure, this will have significant effects on GB and Europe's economy, though I don't think bitcoin will be in the equation knowing that there are still other good assets to place the people's money in. Over time, I have lost interest in this Brexit deal and just hope that it finally comes to rest, deal or no deal.


Title: Re: France, Spain and Belgium Ready For Hard Brexit
Post by: LeGaulois on April 05, 2019, 08:28:46 PM
Brexit is a soap opera and May is the star.

The No Deal will be brutal because it will be an exit without a transition period. This will cost other countries billions, especially those exporting to the UK because then it should apply the WTO regulations. I don't know about other countries but it will represent to mine maybe about 1% of the GDP.


Title: Re: France, Spain and Belgium Ready For Hard Brexit
Post by: BitHodler on April 05, 2019, 09:06:16 PM
I guess the bottomline of this whole Brexit debacle is actually the interest of a few people on their high chairs and not actually the people of GB itself.
That's how it always goes on that level. It wouldn't even surprise me if there are financial institutions behind the scenes pushing for a brexit while at the same time seeing their shorts accumulate mad profits.

The Euro has fallen quite a bit due to all this nonsense, which makes me even more grateful for the intense Bitcoin correction we went through last year so I can still get more bang for my buck.

I am afraid of the day the USD will overtake the EUR in value terms. Seriously, we went well below €1=$1.10 more than once already, so it's not unrealistic. If you test the same support levels over and over again, they'll break.


Title: Re: France, Spain and Belgium Ready For Hard Brexit
Post by: jjjfff on April 05, 2019, 09:26:59 PM
Maybe this will get everyone to finally see how the FED and ECB really work?

Their system is basically to print money for bankers. Perhaps a big event like Brexit will be able to expose this system for what it truly is.


Title: Re: France, Spain and Belgium Ready For Hard Brexit
Post by: Pab on April 06, 2019, 12:00:59 AM
Just take a look that UK removes words 'European Union' from British passport
There is not even Brexit yet 
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/05/uk-removes-words-european-union-from-british-passports

Soldiers are ready Police also.It looks like emergency state.People will be so angry
Financial company already secured them self.Many company escaped from GB
Worst can be that it can give ammunition to nationalist groups what only think how to destabilize Europe
With that  government it can take long time until GB will back to normal 


Title: Re: France, Spain and Belgium Ready For Hard Brexit
Post by: sheenshane on April 06, 2019, 05:21:40 AM
Honestly, I see the Brexit as a personal issue that would affect a lot of people. But I was also convinced that the reason why they are leaving the European Union because they knew something they can't even publish to their people. It's either they were caught by a trap or they do not agree with someone on the board that would affect their country. We won't know unless it is already shown. But let us just wait for the upcoming events because those events are really critical.


Title: Re: France, Spain and Belgium Ready For Hard Brexit
Post by: usorin on April 06, 2019, 11:26:24 AM
One time again politicians are showing what  they are  able to do
Only his own interest count,only seats in his parliament count his position counts
Interest of nation interest of people is nothing for them
There is no agreement in GB leading parties about Brexit there is 5 to midnight and still there are only political games and very long senseless talks
There will be one big social and economic tornado in a case of no deal Brexit
GB will enter in to ice age for minimum three months or longer
And of course  no deal Brexit will have huge impact on financial world
Pound will lost 15 % at once will be crash on FTSE and other markets in Europe
I am posting that here because i think it can have big impact on bitcoin price

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/05/france-spain-and-belgium-ready-for-no-deal-brexit-next-week



Brexit reflect what we can expect when we make things that we don't understand or we give no importance. It is incredible...


Title: Re: France, Spain and Belgium Ready For Hard Brexit
Post by: MakeMoneyBtc on April 07, 2019, 12:19:53 AM
The whole global economy is broken and eventually it should fall apart. Even if it doesn't happen now, eventually the market will so inflated and we will see crisis getting started all around the world. And when that's going to happen people will look for a safe refuge for their economic holdings, that's when bitcoin comes into the ecuation.


Title: Re: France, Spain and Belgium Ready For Hard Brexit
Post by: STT on April 07, 2019, 12:50:47 AM
People and businesses are far greater then politics.   EU is just politics and nations of people will continue to trade, I think we are getting overly convinced by politics of its own self importance.   I doubt UK exits all trade with EU, it will just fall into a position many other countries that trade with EU have.     Thats a delay more then a halt, after a while they agree a trade deal either a temporary cover to avoid the worst or they take the long route to agree long term deals.    When thats done, all thats left is rooms of people making hot air and its not nearly that important as everything else useful all people in the countries do


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GB will enter in to ice age for minimum three months or longer
dam global warming has not been much use then.    UK has one thing always, lots of rain which its used to by now

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Pound will lost 15 % at once
UK has big trade deficits, it imports too much and EU is losing one of its largest customers here.   Its not a good look for EU politics to have failed to continue that trade.   Im not sure sterling has much more to lose, alot of movement occurs in anticipation.   I really doubt EU refuses to sell goods and conversely refuses to accept goods which are identical to a month ago, they can trade the only reason not to is ego


Title: Re: France, Spain and Belgium Ready For Hard Brexit
Post by: xabre on April 07, 2019, 02:22:58 AM
I thins is not good ideas and topic for discussing because brexit is not have big effect for bitcoin and altcoin, just talking about economic world with brexit and never have effect for bitcoin and altcoin price for the future.


Title: Re: France, Spain and Belgium Ready For Hard Brexit
Post by: traderethereum on April 07, 2019, 04:46:16 AM
It will give a big impact on bitcoin price especially if all the country in Europe can accept bitcoin aka crypto as the new payment besides of fiat. There will be a big opportunity for crypto to solve their problem and once they are starting to accept and use crypto, that will be a new era of digital payment will come.
It seems people don't trust the financial system and they want to see a new change in their country. So I wonder when it will explode to the public, and I guess that it will be a big demonstration in the street with a thousand or millions of people in that country.


Title: Re: France, Spain and Belgium Ready For Hard Brexit
Post by: Bitinity on April 07, 2019, 04:57:14 AM
I thins is not good ideas and topic for discussing because brexit is not have big effect for bitcoin and altcoin, just talking about economic world with brexit and never have effect for bitcoin and altcoin price for the future.

OP is sharing his idea that Brexit may give big impact to bitcoin like some other analysts. There are some analysts who believe once No-Deal Brexit goes through, it will favor bitcoin price. I myself doubt of the effect of Brexit to bitcoin price like what you think, but I have just changed my mind after reading some of the reasons from the analyst. At least there is a chance that it will give an impact to bitcoin.


Title: Re: France, Spain and Belgium Ready For Hard Brexit
Post by: wuvdoll on April 07, 2019, 01:08:22 PM
I think it is also benefit of the nation as well, these countries do not like the way England is talking about brexit and how it could benefit them, if you are going to argue for the fact that it is British government that is not acting on the best interest of the country than you could be right, they had a proper president that basically resigned for right reasons because he believed what he thinks and what the people think are different and that is why he shouldn't be there but the new government is not like that.

Nonetheless, if you are talking about France, Spain and Belgium than those people are sick off Britians talks about how "brexit could be better for Britain" and those type of talks made the Europeans hate British people since they feel like "why the hell you think you would be better without us" and it just feels wrong so it is great that those countries are ready for a hard exit, Britain might as well leave now because they will not get any love from rest of the Europe.


Title: Re: France, Spain and Belgium Ready For Hard Brexit
Post by: Pab on April 07, 2019, 01:09:19 PM
There are estimates that pound will be on lowest level to dollar from 1985
So i can be like a example.I have Skrill account with pound.On Skrill i can easly exchange pound to btc with one click.I have Skrill card.Now best saving for me is to exchange pounds to btc. Moreover there is huge number of migrants working and living in UK
They are transferring huge money to his families every year.His families living in Europe can request free prepaid master card.People working in UK can transfer money through Skrill very easy .It is fast and cheap much better than banks.Many of that people are young with some IT skills.Now they are reading all that prediction what can happen same time they ar receiving positive news about btc.
There is 6 mln pounds open bets on Betfair exchange for deal Brexit or not deal Brexit. is not
Together with other exchanges and various bookies it can be around 50 mln pounds easly
Anybody in Europe can open Skrill account and do exchange to btc or other main alt.1 % is not so much big fee but in a case of no deal Brexit will be one big currency chaos in that case Bitcoin can be  safe heaven.Dollar will rise if dollar rise gold is going down so maybe btc is some solution to hedge that storm
It is just example how people can think and what they can do


Title: Re: France, Spain and Belgium Ready For Hard Brexit
Post by: Adriano2010 on April 09, 2019, 07:35:56 PM
I don't have GBP set on my skrill, Neteller, i only have an app where i get GBP, i hope the app will still working after Brexit. I hope bank will still works as ussual for UK transfer. Is there any official date known when Brexit will happen?


Title: Re: France, Spain and Belgium Ready For Hard Brexit
Post by: Febo on April 09, 2019, 07:40:44 PM
I guess the bottomline of this whole Brexit debacle is actually the interest of a few people on their high chairs and not actually the people of GB itself. I mean, how many times was this rejected and they are trying to reappeal to no avail? For sure, this will have significant effects on GB and Europe's economy, though I don't think bitcoin will be in the equation knowing that there are still other good assets to place the people's money in. Over time, I have lost interest in this Brexit deal and just hope that it finally comes to rest, deal or no deal.


Funny thing is that all GDP growth projections for this year include a brexit deal. Although nothing shows that deal will be made. We will have an amazing year to come. UK will have an amazing decade :P


Title: Re: France, Spain and Belgium Ready For Hard Brexit
Post by: Pab on April 09, 2019, 08:20:03 PM
I don't have GBP set on my skrill, Neteller, i only have an app where i get GBP, i hope the app will still working after Brexit. I hope bank will still works as ussual for UK transfer. Is there any official date known when Brexit will happen?

No worry about Skrill .Skrill is also registered in Germany hovever be careful with funding skrill wallet with bitcoin.Those funds can be blocked

More about Brexit
It already cost GB 66 bln pounds.Imagine how many good things it could be possible to do with that money

https://www.businessinsider.com/price-of-brexit-66-billion-recession-2019-4?utm_medium=referral&utm_content=topbar&utm_term=desktop&referrer=twitter&r=US&IR=T

I think also that bitcoin is very much related with people and societies maybe even more than just  financial  world


Title: Re: France, Spain and Belgium Ready For Hard Brexit
Post by: stompix on April 10, 2019, 11:09:59 AM
There will be one big social and economic tornado in a case of no deal Brexit
GB will enter in to ice age for minimum three months or longer

Let's not over exaggerate stuff
It's going to hurt both economies, the UK and EU (overall) but nothing compared to an "ice age" or a tornado.

We, not the ones with a deeper connection to the government know for months that the deal is a mess, the big companies have already plans on dealing with it, it won't be a disaster from day one.

Remember the whole Russian propaganda how the Russian ban of EU food imports will destroy small farmers that rely on one those businesses?
Well, production of almost everything grew in my country by at least 10% in the last five years, not mentioning the star of those bans, the apples, we've seen close to 25% up in exports.

It's going to hurt a few businesses, some will adapt some not but it's not the end of the world.
Besides, nobody really wants a no deal Brexit, and I won't be surprised if they do manage to sign one in the last second




Title: Re: France, Spain and Belgium Ready For Hard Brexit
Post by: Pab on April 10, 2019, 11:51:08 AM
There will be one big social and economic tornado in a case of no deal Brexit
GB will enter in to ice age for minimum three months or longer

Let's not over exaggerate stuff
It's going to hurt both economies, the UK and EU (overall) but nothing compared to an "ice age" or a tornado.

We, not the ones with a deeper connection to the government know for months that the deal is a mess, the big companies have already plans on dealing with it, it won't be a disaster from day one.

Remember the whole Russian propaganda how the Russian ban of EU food imports will destroy small farmers that rely on one those businesses?
Well, production of almost everything grew in my country by at least 10% in the last five years, not mentioning the star of those bans, the apples, we've seen close to 25% up in exports.

It's going to hurt a few businesses, some will adapt some not but it's not the end of the world.
Besides, nobody really wants a no deal Brexit, and I won't be surprised if they do manage to sign one in the last second




Your import delivery will depend on few guys working in Calais
And what about London city financial center of the world


Title: Re: France, Spain and Belgium Ready For Hard Brexit
Post by: HeRetiK on April 10, 2019, 01:17:19 PM
And what about London city financial center of the world

That's a weird way to spell Frankfurt.

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The whole Brexit debacle is a farce, but I have to admit it's been kinda fun to grab some popcorn and watch companies head for the mainland and investment funds moving from the UK to Ireland and Luxembourg. I believe that the impact of a hard Brexit on mainland Europe and the rest of the world will be rather limited since there don't seem to be any imports or exports that are unique to the UK except for mostly financial services which are geographically independent (ie. Frankfurt or Paris might work just as well as a financial hub as London). Please correct me if I'm wrong about the UK's imports and exports however, as I admittedly know very little of the UK's economy. Either way I have my doubts that a hard Brexit will happen to begin with, whatever the alternatives will be.

As far as Bitcoin is concerned, I doubt that there will be much of an impact apart from a short term pump.


Title: Re: France, Spain and Belgium Ready For Hard Brexit
Post by: Pab on April 10, 2019, 01:55:47 PM
And what about London city financial center of the world

That's a weird way to spell Frankfurt.

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The whole Brexit debacle is a farce, but I have to admit it's been kinda fun to grab some popcorn and watch companies head for the mainland and investment funds moving from the UK to Ireland and Luxembourg. I believe that the impact of a hard Brexit on mainland Europe and the rest of the world will be rather limited since there don't seem to be any imports or exports that are unique to the UK except for mostly financial services which are geographically independent (ie. Frankfurt or Paris might work just as well as a financial hub as London). Please correct me if I'm wrong about the UK's imports and exports however, as I admittedly know very little of the UK's economy. Either way I have my doubts that a hard Brexit will happen to begin with, whatever the alternatives will be.

As far as Bitcoin is concerned, I doubt that there will be much of an impact apart from a short term pump.

There is possible only to scenario now no deal or delays or no Brexit
First will cause huge protest from pro EU citzens second will cause noisy protest from Brexiters
Generally it is one big damage for GB politicians
Good thing is they will pay price in upcoming GB election.That case democracy will win
I want no Brexit because GB was strong opposition to Germany dominance in EU


Title: Re: France, Spain and Belgium Ready For Hard Brexit
Post by: HeRetiK on April 10, 2019, 02:12:50 PM
There is possible only to scenario now no deal or delays
First will cause huge protest from pro EU citzens second will cause noisy protest from Brexiters
Generally it is one big damage for GB politicians
Good thing is they will pay price in upcoming GB election.That case democracy will win

That's the thing though, IMO the UK should hold a second referendum to see if their citizens still want to leave the EU to begin with. If anything their people would now be able to make a more informed decision on the matter than a couple years back. Triggering such a huge change based on a marginal majority was questionable to begin with. However it seems like the egos of the politicians involved are more important than the will or even the benefit of their people. At least that's the only way I can explain to myself this clusterfuck of a deadlock.


Title: Re: France, Spain and Belgium Ready For Hard Brexit
Post by: Commitments on April 10, 2019, 02:35:25 PM
Did you get Brexit effect for bitcoin so far? I think is not have any effect how bitcoin could lower or higher price after England make brexit and log out from Europe, by the way we need some more special how to make bitcoin and altcoin in higher price.


Title: Re: France, Spain and Belgium Ready For Hard Brexit
Post by: Naida_BR on April 10, 2019, 03:11:46 PM
One time again politicians are showing what  they are  able to do
Only his own interest count,only seats in his parliament count his position counts
Interest of nation interest of people is nothing for them
There is no agreement in GB leading parties about Brexit there is 5 to midnight and still there are only political games and very long senseless talks
There will be one big social and economic tornado in a case of no deal Brexit
GB will enter in to ice age for minimum three months or longer
And of course  no deal Brexit will have huge impact on financial world
Pound will lost 15 % at once will be crash on FTSE and other markets in Europe
I am posting that here because i think it can have big impact on bitcoin price

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/05/france-spain-and-belgium-ready-for-no-deal-brexit-next-week


I think that most of the countries that are in the European Union and had trade bonds with the UK are ready for the Brexit.
The problem is that UK is not ready and it is so sad to see them than they voted for a Brexit and now it seems like they don't want it. This is the reason why Teresa May is going to ask for extra time that will be valuable for them to avoid a hard Brexit.


Title: Re: France, Spain and Belgium Ready For Hard Brexit
Post by: cryptjh on April 12, 2019, 09:58:22 PM
EU only knows one thing and that's more power, and less local democracy, so seeing a country that wants to leave, is not something they expected. It seems to me that the EU has done everything they cut to make this lave deal as bad as possible, we can see countries outside EU that have never paid anything to the EU having much better trade deals that what the UK can get!
EU is doomed to fail, but before that happen, they will have made irreparable damage to the countries of Europe.