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Volume has been increasing since last week..is thia sign of whales entered into the market?

Call them whales if you see a graph like this:


Or if the price goes over $10k, another way is just a market fluctuation and be careful because it can crash back to $4k any time.

it's true that this Sunday the price is increasing, and I also think and think that the pope has entered the market if we look at market developments with rising prices.

There has been whales in the market during highs and lows.

The increase we've seen since last week can be the indication that we're finally entering or the trend's changing into bull run.

Higher trading volume doesn't necessarily mean that the whales came in(assuming that they went out in the first place); it could simply might mean that there are more traders and or more offers being executed in general. One exchange user is not limited to having only 1 buy/sell exchange offer.

Hope you will be Right.according to the market , it seems like that.

I really do not know whether whales have entered into the market but the way BTC and ETH price is increasing for last few days is a good sign for the bull run. Volume has increased, price of altcoins have little growth but still looking OK. I think people have started buying and holding , a nice bull run may come sooner or later. Some may call it a temporary pump but I do not know why is it looking like a change of long bear trend, I may be wrong at this point, lets observe where does it go.

No, they are still at sea.  ;D

Why are you relying your income to the whales?  ;D
Why not be a shark yourself and eat those little fish so that you could meal for every day.

They are not the control room of bitcoin and any crypto currencies.
Actually it is the trading websites now which have a higher percentage to move the market since they can own high amount of bitcoin.
They will need to sell to pay for their website, taxes and employees. Right?

whales are always in the market under any circumstances, small traders are not able to manipulate prices so far, new increases occur several days and this needs to be observed to avoid traps that might suddenly occur

Good point. The volume is indeed increased significantly for the last few days, it is double amount from what we saw in the end of last month. Regarding whales are coming or not, no one knows. The most important thing is that, higher trading volume gives us a little bit hope to see the price is moving up but surely it is not a guarantee as it may move to the opposite side.

Personally, the whales are still much pretty far from what is been experienced since last week because of the nature the price increases. Much increased has be noted but cannot be compared to when whales are on the move. I believe whatsoever that's moving the market; must not be far from old investors who understand the potentials of bitcoin and the importance of bitcoin halve.

Oh no, more whale crap again.  ::)

It's probably the banks. They're hedging their bets in Bitcoin because central banks continue printing money nonstop and markets aren't reacting anymore.

In other words: after the next crash Bitcoin may be closer to reserve currency status.

This time i believe the market is going up.however there is still a risk to 2800 from old trendline but i dont know, bitcoin prce and marketcap looks very healthy

The whales have been in the market for months, gobbling up all of the newly minted bitcoins and then some. The increased volume is related to key resistance levels being broken, leading to general optimism.

Whales might have entered the market, and the current trading volume increase isn't just because of the whales into the market. As there is some form of bull trend followed by fluctuations more people get into trading. This continued trading leads to increased buying and selling of different cryptocurrencies in the market paving path for the increase in the trading volume.

I think even there's a whales out there they can't break the bull market but I believe whales will start to sell when the price reach 10k value.

The big trade volume comes from fcoin.com exchange according to coingecko and big volume from bithumb. So if there's a whales someone will buy because there are many traders waiting for low price at the bull market season.

yes I agree with your opinion, this possibility is just a trap, at least we have to wait for the next few weeks to ensure better prices and stay on the market.

Oh then if whales Will sale theirs btc then they will dump btc surely.

You haven't seen nothing yet. After the prices go up a bit more, wait till the moon boys come back. It would be time to stay away from Bitcoin communities once again.

You are right but we can not help it but to enjoy the moment and flow with the time, the whale or whatever you call it what is important is that bitcoin price is recovering and we should flow the trends of time.

Whales don't pump BTC :D they only DUMP to manipulate the market so they can buy CHEAP :D thats how whales work..

Plus this volume is not the sign of whales, its the sign that more and more wash trading is happening behind the scene.

Whales are always in cryptocurrency no matter what is the case of the market. If the market is down, then they are just waiting for the opportunity and they will get it. And if the market is up, they also have different set of opportunities. They are not getting out of the market instead they are just waiting for the right opportunity to get high profits.

People just realizing they need to secure their future by investing in a more valuable substance. So they are choosing their destiny. Let's hope the tempo is sustained.

That's how good whales manipulates the market, they can create surge and make the rise but same thing, they also can dumped completely and shake
the market, with this current sign of positive movements means that certain whales are working to lift this industry up.

Agree with you that volume is increasing consistently however whales can be a teo edge sword we can depend on them to help bring up the market but we never know when they will leave and at the same time leaving a heavy impact on the market. 

Whales are not back because they never left. They continued to accumulate as many coins as possible during the last 12 months.
I saw too the number of transactions doubled since few days, I guess this is the result of the positive feeling in the BTC market.

In my opinion, whales never left the market, they were simply accumulating during the bear market, they also took advantage of the 'boring phase' that we experienced over the last 3 months where the market had low activity and the btc price price was stuck around the 3k range giving whales the chance to buy cheap.

The price pump gave traders and whales the momentum they've been waiting for to start making their move (buy/sell) hence why volume increased so rapidly.

Yeah.definitely because no one could pump up that btc market price that easily. Reminder that bitcoin is good cryptocurencycy for start ups group and and for those experience already.

Could.you help identify these whales? The whales sure a had huge hlp.in the access. Be ready always frpmYeah there are many platforms out there and some of it are scam or not reliable. So, I agree with you that doing bet should be in a reliable platform. Me, myself and I would definitely join a certain platform that do not look so shady or scammy.

And if I were to ask what sports do i like to bet?

NBA of course for I myself is a basket player.

But, I do more like betting on online casino. This is one way to enjoy life by means of losing and sometimes winning huge if gets lucky. 

I don't think we need to associate everything with whale interference, and I think more of the market is indeed improving and investors are starting to return to crypto.

yes there were large volumes of trade this sunday compared to the usual, in my opinion is true the big investors (whales) came into play trying to artificially manipulate the market...

Yup! they sure never ever when extinct in the first place, Because they are always here among us and would plan a next time they will buy or sell again, I am sure they will make a well-executed plan to make the price up or down, And you will see from the way the price change occurs that they are in the move again I really think this kind of movement is pretty normal for the market right now.

I Sam not sure still market in around 180 billion it’s really making good move I think major crypto currency like bitcoin ethereum , bitcoin , neo , tron , eos , Ada , verge and some exchsnge coins bnb , kcs etc would be the real bul runner if the real market bull run starts .

You're wrong they also helping for the pump of btc. Have you ever heard the 7000 BTC order from 3 different exchange? It's a 20,000 BTC buy order all in all. They are whales? I think so. So, they're also helping for the growth of bitcoin. But in many cases, they always contribute to the dump of it. But remember, they are opportunists.

Actually i noticed few days ago that volume was even bigger that it was at  2017 December / 2018 January and its getting even better . Not sure what will happen , but i feel price will grow day by day .

The may increase but it is far from being said that the whales are back. If the graphs were the same as 2017 graph then I would agree that they are back but for now, it's just a mild bull run nothing special.

It is possible that the bulls have returned. But do not forget that the market can also go down at any time. So you need to be very careful.

Well, the volumes of course are far from those that were in 2017 , but clearly now there is a good opportunity to invest in those coins that you have been waiting for when they will grow , I think by the end of the year we can enter the bull market and already from there to go to new heights!

I think this time is not whales, maybe was only a group of some people who buy a lot of bitcoins, and this can be a way to sell some of coins and again trying to go with the price much higher. But if whales will come then the price will be over 10,000$ in short time if invest a lot of money.

Your probably right. When the press picks up on these gains it will get full on silly. There will be Fibonacci numbers, Elliot waves, and yes mysterious whales. But still, not a single person will know the future.

I think whales not go to anywhere and see market everytime. About volume that increased maybe they already take action and want to manipulate price of crypto. But that's all only opinion if whales really control market.

Why we have to be afraid of whales, in fact, they are helping the market to move and get benefiting by then also. We know whales is having a big role in crypto space and because of them, blockchain technology become popular cause of their hypes. We can't blame them either if they have to used that strategy( hypes) cause that's the way they'll become profitable and have that too. This means that everyone will have such benefits when hypes came out.

Indeed mate, whales has an unpredicatable plans for the market right so the small fish like us was just waiting for the right time when they'll commence on their funds to move in. Let's prepare for that perfect time to come, and be calm while waiting. Don't let your fears overpower you and hamper that strong decisions of holding your asset, and even if whales have control on the market I guess that's long enough to gain a very sustainable price soon.

We can all be whale together. lol Anyway, if you pay attention to altcoins, you can see that there is fall in the last increment of btc, which is caused by everyone's swap to btc.

We as traders maybe and investor even with smaller amount of money if compared to whales, must take any advantage from whales action. I think it is just not follow our emotion and FOMO wouldn't come to us.

Another statement that I don't like, some people comes and they intend to investing but he doesn't know what whales mean and what is the character a market if whales come into? The view point for newcomers are like that, they just believe to the whales and ignore everything such as the development of cryptocurrency comes now. This though should be erased by everyone if they want cryptocurrency be accepted by many people and also in order to some countries believe cryptocurrency is deserve to be adoption.

Never seen that kind of big huge order for almost a year, seems like it's a complete change of the market.
I am not afraid of the cash back, we have been in that situation many times, if it will crash, it will again recover, so we should ready for another test.

When we can say if its a perfect time to enter to bitcoin??
Take note bitcoin price is so unpredictable if you see the price right now is in uptrend momentum but it can change anytime.
Whles are alway their to grab small fish like us just be careful in every situation you will encounter in this crypto world.

The truth is that the whales never left the market, they were simply taking advantage of the bear market across the vertical. We should understand that the Bitcoin market is the fastest evolving entity in the money markets, and by this reason has proven some of the integrity benchmark tests put forward by various observers.

I don't think whales did the recent pump. Also did whale get off the market? I guess not. The upward trend we are experiencing, even if it was made by whales or not still you should be careful because price might crash anytime unexpectedly. As of now, I'm just enjoying the run and I guess this will continue not unless we've reach traders selling point.

As expected, they are actually around us and they also waiting for the moment that market will started to grow. By this time, maybe whales have created some actions which could give a huge impact into the market and helping it to move faster than of the current flows. But as we know of their capabilities, we could expect that we will be having hypes again.

Bitcoin being unpredictable isn't anything new. It has been since it became a tradable asset. The thing that people should be looking for when buying are the massive corrections after a bull run, and last year is a perfect example. Bitcoin tends to correct with 80% on average after a fierce bull run, and the closer you buy to that 80% mark, the more likely it is that you buy near the bottom.

Whales don't have anyone to grab if people keep holding their coins instead of dumping so far down. ;) In the end, there technically is no difference between a whale and a smart Bitcoiner with just a few coins who is utilizing the bear market to stack up on cheap coins. In both cases weak hands end up selling into the buy orders of stronger hands.

were afraid because whales are not meant to pump the market at all times  . whales do also dump the market  but this can still be beneficial to some if they are investors/traders that constantly buying at the dips  . @ the guy above  . yes your right  . whales dont go anywhere   . whales are always here scouting the market though the increase in the volume's can also be caused by other factors or reasons  ,  its not always the whales that cause the volume to move up  .

Not an incredibly great spot to enter right now IMO. Things are pretty volatile right now, personally stepping out for now 'till things cool down. Bears have been pulling prices down but the significant pullback many are expecting before we break through the $5300s has not fully materialized yet. Things seem pretty uncertain right now, though a number of people think we could correct down to the upper $4000s from this movement before we make another run up.

I'm not sure about that but the thing is the crypto market is showing a good sign, it's back to up again since last week. I don't know what is the reason though, maybe this is the end of bear market and the start of bull market. I think it's just investor buy cryptos again after seeing the crypto market go up.

Cardano ADA has many new features coming up. So it is expecting that people will try to pile up their coins. Altcoin should be seeing more in the BTC pair, and because of that, every project that has something new will receive more attention. But it is the price of Bitcoin that is going up.

no bro because the performance of market growth since it start climbing isn't not the same when there's a whale's jumping in the market. Because whales always making a high value suddenly when it entering,  not like this wherein like a turtle and definitely a normal reaction when there's a massive adaption that happening in the market.

Some whales might actually be entering the market. Looking at tether market cap,
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/tether/

It looks like $200,000,000 worth of tether's was just issued in the last week or so. Basically we saw alot of this in 2017 and usually we got a pump afterwards, it was called the "Tether pump".

Thank you for bringing this up, I don't usually look at Tether in making a prediction, but you have a point.
My own style was by just looking at the entire trading volume and in the past few days, there was a significant increase of daily trading volume.

$50 billion dollars trading volume in the market now is still relatively high, when we hip the highest marketcap in the first month of 2018, the trading volume was less than $50 billion, so this is a major improvement, and we can tell big money are flowing to the market now.

I think whales are given too much importance. They take credit for both good and bad that is happening to Bitcoin but I don't believe their influence is that big. It's the relatively small group of people with high volume of coins but they can't disturb the market so much, at least not in recent case of this small price increase.

Although the whales are back, it doesn't mean that the price can increase in a short because it depends on the market itself. Maybe the whales still need to buy more amount while the price is not too high so they can make a big profit when the market is changing into the bull market. But if I watch on the market, some coins have good progress in the increases, and I think soon, the market will be back to the bull market so we can sell all of the coins to make a lot of money.

I think when manipulation occurs, the volume and marketcaps in the market should be much higher than this. We know that every price increase, surely marketcaps will always increase, and if that is manipulated it will certainly be much higher. I think this price change naturally happens not as a manipulation of the whales

It's not based on volume only, you know the whales can manipulate in different ways, and it could result to a decrease of value
or increase of value, or even trading volumes, that's what you called manipulation. Therefore you need to study the market properly for you to
spot if the market was manipulated or not, I'm not saying everyday they are doing it, but there are times they do.

Of course, whales are back. You cannot increase trading volume if only retail traders are the ones coming in. The trading volume would just trickle in if there were no whales. Duh.

They have never left to begin with. The fact that whales have helped us get bitcoin to 20 thousand dollars doesn't mean that is all they do, they did that because they profited from it as well but than at 20 thousand dollars it required so much more money to take it any further and realizing that fact they decided to make money from going down as well.

At around the same times there was futures selling on bitmex started and they sold their coins and bought short futures as well and that helped them both get the price down and still make profits, they did that to a point and dropped the price. After dropping it as much as they can afford they realized now it costs to keep lowering the price so they stopped. Now they are aiming at making profits from going up as well. Basically they never left, they just made money in any direction.

One need not to be too excited about the current market situation because in the crypto currency market anything can happen particularly when you too optimistic about price increase. Well, I don't really believe it is the whales activities that is affecting the current market.

Just continue of what you believe, everyone has different opinion or interpretation of the market.
For me, I believe this market has whales, I mean lots of whales are can manipulate the market, and this what happens now could be because of the whales power to manipulate, who would buy a huge amount of BTC20,000 in total if they don't have a good reason to do it.
The market is bearish and they might loss, but they see some opportunity to make short term money, and so I would ride with them.

The whales are back in the market and I think bullish trend has resume and we expect the market to head up.  Many speculators are optimistic about the current market conditions and we are going to see more bullish trend than the bearish market for the remaining of this year.

I think the pope is always on the market, now the market price is also a good price, because more and more people are trading now, so I also think that now the market is getting brighter.

Well, I doubt something yet-that whales have returned and started to buy , I think still we will fall in the future , because it is not much seen yet , it seems to me if we go above $ 6500 then I think it will be possible to safely buy cryptocurrency

I dont think regular whales have entered into the market again. It was found that three new investors just manupulated the market buying bitcoins for millions. This has caused other altcoins' value grow as well. A big jump from $4k to $5k and travelling steadily. Today there was a dump due to NY news on Bittrex and Bitstamp.

He is probably waiting for some bigger uptrend and thinking about whales as of good samaritan who is going to tell you when the smart money is flowing to crypto market.

Whales are coming back gradually but some are still sceptical to invest huge chunk of money into cryptocurrency right now. But very soon they will start investing huge

We enter again in a stable zone, with BTC currently holding at $5,050 - $5,080 price level, Institutional money will be the biggest source of new money to fuel the next bull run and not those whales that only manipulate the price for their own gains.

prices are pumping not because whales has returned. the market has been pumping in recent weeks because public confidence in BTC has increased. the market threshold has touched the deepest base. this condition in my assumption are normal. This natural condition is part of self defense built by the market itself.

Whales are very smart people and are always looking for ways to make money, they are seeing that the market is recovering and they are jumping back into the market to see ways of how they can make a lot of profit from the bull run we are going to be seeing in a short while, though they might not remain in the market for a long text because they always have a targeted price and once it's met, they will pull out of the market, this is why we need to be very careful about whales.

We can proved that if bitcoin will pursue it's increase, but it not, it could only be whales manipulating the market.
Sometimes whales can help because with their power to pump the price, it will attract the public to invest again, the FOMO is coming from the public.

When we began to see great increasing in volume and funds began flow into cryptocurrencies market in billions of dollars we should know that the whales has entered into the cryptocurrencies market and it is one ways of knowing the right time to invest.

whales aren't multi billionaires with pockets that have no bottom! whales are simply those who own a relatively large stake in that market. for example you can be a whale in an altcoin that has a daily volume of 0.1BTC if you own at least 0.2BTC!
and they have never gone anywhere, it is so naive to think they "come back" only when price rises. actually newbies come back when rises start. whales are already here enjoying the cheaper coins and accumulating while others were panicking.

Sometimes, we might not really be able to back up the increase In price of bitcoin with proof if the increase occurred as a result of natural growth, no matter how speedy such increase may look.

We are all in different parts of the country, there are some things happening as regards Bitcoin that is not written in the news, how many of us knows the volume of transactions that does go on over the counter on BTC, they are not written in the news and it doesn’t mean it is not having effect on the market.

Many of these fundamentals do pile up overtime and may be a coincidence that most of these fundamentals decided to play out at the same time.

Whales in crypto are still there even the market is bearish or bullish. And I think they only observe the market not to grab all opportunities. We all know that some whales they will be greedy when they see the market that have huge pump. So be careful to what you have assets right now observe the market and don't be so hurry to sold it because of a little pump.

The volume increasing doesn't show any actual evidence that it is coming from the whales, it only means that due to a bigger price action we are seeing the number of trades have increased tremendously during the time which in turn had increased the volume, and even that doesn't show any proof that the whales are one trading. And whales right now won't be really the one pushing back up the prices since they are the ones who have bought BTC back at the bottom which they usually do.

Not sure whales are back or not but look like investors are coming on bitcoin. Price almost stable from last few weeks. And its seems investors are entering on bitcoin when price start up trend. Stability on bitcoin indicates for next bull since its trying to stay above $5K. And obviously whales will start play when they will see that bitcoin going up trend. So we can say whales are preparing for play again.

volumes dont tell the names of who is buying or selling  . its hard to tell if the demand is comming from whales or from investors alone . the only indication to tell i think is that whales buys/sells in bigger volumes while average and regular investors does not  . .


whales can manipulate the market at anytime which means they can buy not only at lows but they can buy at almost anytime of the day because they are powerful they have lots of capital  .

@op . yes some whales are back because some of them did leave on the past . they do also take a break , thats the reason why the market last year was not moving  .

Whales are just observing the market flows,  in anytime they'll have to work again and do some hypes. We aren't to bebwortied for their existence cause they are also giving a huge contribution in crypto space especially for moving the price. It is just we look bad to them cause they are also the reason why we lose but somehow they aren't that bad intention, we are just in the wrong timing.

It is possible that whales entered the market not that obviously. I mean I was used to see whales like this before and the green candlee and the unexpected green bull also indicates that the whales already entered the market. Whether the high volumes refer as it is or not, the thing is we can see how they control the pump.

It looks different now and we don't even see huge pumps, hypes and some whales indications. Everything is in green now but the price still crawling hard, and it is not enough to see bull run coming. We know how whales can move the market if they want too but somehow it never have that strong.

Whales are wise investors they usually buy to the lowest price possible, they ussually not buy in the sell side they are buying slowly to make their trading acclivity will not affect the current price that makes their investment more expensive in the long run. So expect a stable price while the whales still in the accumulation stage

According to the 'Bitcoin in heavy accumulation' report by adamant capital, the whales are buying with both hands. You could also call it smart money. Over all, it is a very interesting report to read, you can find the source here: https://docsend.com/view/jwr8qwx Just enter a fake email, if you're bothered by the block.

I found especially this part very interesting:

https://i.imgur.com/UDWaKh4.png

We're back to hodle mode.

We always trust if the market green or up quickly then we guess that is a whales action. We are ignore the information side and we are ignore the development factor. I only believe if we have a much preconception when we investing in other place then we can't feel comfortable, we just think the market can be manipulated easly and our money will loss in huge amount.

Have changing their strategies right now, as mostly they do hypes before after accumulating their tokens from panic sellers. But it is missing at this days, no hypes and have a stabilize market as well. It for sure they will be active again, maybe at this time they are just observing the market flows and do spending time in buying more coins at low price.

Whales never leave the market they are just limiting their investments but re entering the market because of big volume  wasn’t enough reason.but whales are truthfully a powerful tools to bring us hype again

Though i never lose hope that market will bring to top again either this year or the next since the bear have been with us for longer time that no one expcted

Whales never really left. They dump, they accumulate, they pump, they sell. Whales are always in play even when other small investors are away from the market. This market is an easy profit for the whales. They can manipulate the market easily because of the low volume and thus, they never would leave such an easy profit.

I think a lot of people who saw the last peak and missed the boat are very interested in the jump from $3k to $5k recently. I do wonder how many people bought in at the peak and will be waiting a long time to cash back out. The fact that bitcoin is limited to 21 million whole coins and there are over 7 billion people in the world does make it quite a rare commodity really, so long term demand is ultimately going to push it up.

But we cannot blame them to think about the bull since this growth of trading volume is not normally happen,and in this point there is no occasions to see such huge volume
Considering that you are right,can you have some atleast proof here about the manipulation you’re saying?dont get me wrong but i guess this is not fair for everyone that trusted this market?

The volume has increased recently and it matches the level of 2017 dec. This shows that whales are definitely back. Added to that some new investors are also entering the market. We are not much away from the bull market anymore.

Bitcoin is likely to go over $50k this year.

The increase in the price of bitcoin that occurs at this time is only part of a mere fluctuation that can occur at any time without anyone's knowledge. As far as I know whales don't just enter when market value grows, we can see their actions when there's an emphasis on market prices which is unexpected.

The market are consistently going on uptrend .Its a big whale entered on the market and keep continuing its work .I hope the momentum will keep on the whole year .Its a positive sign of the market .I hope it will be continue and market will be more stable .

This a very valuable post with very good situation descriptions and visual proofs.
I still find myself between various strategies and not long ago I found out was very dangerous.

Maybe trade against BTC and ETH as base pair in bullrun, and against USD in bear would help... Still...
Timing the market issue remains and bringing together the investing/trading strategies in one portfolio becomes risky as a whole again.
 

Everybody is sensing that bitcoin price would increase in the coming weeks and months, so they are all back to make profits. It would also be good for the market as it will get the required momentum.

Investors see some opportunities so they came back to play again and invest their money, while in  quite whales are simply monitoring and just waiting for the perfect timing, the hype already noticable so there's a big chances that whales are here now and taking their charge.

It's going uptrend and thanks to the whales.
I think whales never leave the market, they keep manipulating the price to cause some panic during the bear time, and I think
they are done accumulating so they are now pushing the price up.

That's my understanding as I don't truly believe that the growth that we see now is organic.

The altcoin markets have showed some bullish signs over the past few weeks. I wouldn't call it a bull run yet but we are definitely getting close to the end of the bear market.

The current price up trend of Bitcoin is enough proof that we already survive the crypto winter and the bear season is finally over. We just entered the resistance phase from whales that want's to buy more BTC and accumulate before we go tot he real bull event.

I agree with your opinion that bitcoin will definitely rise again and will be more expensive, attracting large capital investors to invest more money.
Today the price of bitcoin has reached USD 6,510 and my prediction is still up. This increase is a positive sentiment that is a sign of crypto revival. But to reach USD 50000 I think it can't be achieved this year, in my opinion the most is USD 10000.

I agree, 2018 was a long bearish period but at the start of 2019, I already feel the bull has started to penetrate.
At the market movement now, it's very attractive for investors and as it continues to rise with significant increases, that will bring more and more investors again.