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Title: Re: Thoughts on people that use this forum as income source?
Post by: qwertyup23 on April 11, 2019, 04:24:21 PM
It is inevitable that this forum is used as a medium for promoting business, advertisements, and recruitments for businesses. This forum has the largest amount of users active around the world and this would be a great opportunity for people who are looking to share their knowledge about cryptocurrencies in general.

The problem comes when people view the forum purely on earning income alone. This defeats the purpose of being a learning tool and as a general guide to most newbies since the forum is being populated with spammers, scammers, hackers, and abusers.

Lastly, relying on this forum as their primary source of income is a risky move. The flow of income may be unstable and the offers from various campaign signatures is mainly on a short-term basis.


Title: Re: Thoughts on people that use this forum as income source?
Post by: YOSHIE on April 11, 2019, 04:39:38 PM
Why do you think that this Forum is a real income place, it's wrong.
Forum place to discuss cryptocurrency like Bitcoin etc.
I'm sure 80% of people in this Forum have a steady income.
Money is never enough for humans, in humans there is greed and greed.
Now that you have a vehicle tomorrow, you want to have a luxury home, this will not end.
If you think that the Forum is your main place of income, maybe 1 year or 2 years ahead of your child, your wife will starve, fantasize to be rich.
Prioritize the Forum for you where to discuss crypto, the money you get in the forum is in addition to you.

This method can also make a lot of money:

https://youtu.be/x2P9YcnWlwY

No, it should be on the Forum.


Title: Re: Thoughts on people that use this forum as income source?
Post by: lobcmt2 on April 11, 2019, 04:41:50 PM
I do know many people from my country that use this forum as their only source of income.  This website is very popular among our internet cafes and I started to read more about this forum.  The thing is a lot of jobs don't pay enough and people are looking for a way out.  Do you feel empathy for these people or do you think this forum shouldn't be for money?
What did you imply by writing "this forum shouldn't be for money"?
Maybe you misexpressed your ideas, but let assume that you express exactly what you wanted. I will give you information that the admin stated strongly that the forum does not need money.
I will find original post of theymos later, for now you can use this one for reference
theymos multiple times said that currently forum don't need donations. They get enough revenue by selling ad slots. Also, there are more than enough BTC in forum reserves. And with new rank requirements Bitcointalk will get BTC from people who are buying Copper memberships.


Title: Re: Thoughts on people that use this forum as income source?
Post by: Findingnemo on April 11, 2019, 04:53:37 PM
When people use bitcointalk as source of their only income then it is huge risk they are taking and their future are also a big question.I am not sure advertisements in this forum will stay forever so people need to use those forum as source of learning to make money from different ways.


Title: Re: Thoughts on people that use this forum as income source?
Post by: bones261 on April 11, 2019, 05:01:39 PM
     People are not only earning income through pay per post and bounties, though. Although that is how most are earning an income through this forum, some people are earning though providing various services(such as lending, selling goods, escrow, being a campaign manager, etc etc.) . Just as long as people are not scamming anyone or posting pure garbage, I'm cool with people trying to make this forum work for them. After all, this forum is all about bitcoin and various cryptocurrencies. Bitcoin is money.


Title: Re: Thoughts on people that use this forum as income source?
Post by: Mux@ on April 11, 2019, 05:07:28 PM
This forum is primarily a source of knowledge and a place where participants share their experiences. As participants gain knowledge, many begin to look for ways to earn money on this forum and find them! In the process of generating income, participants receive their own experience. Someone this experience is positive and brings profit. Some are disappointed in their expectations of income through this forum. To each his own!


Title: Re: Thoughts on people that use this forum as income source?
Post by: The-One-Above-All on April 11, 2019, 06:11:17 PM
I do know many people from my country that use this forum as their only source of income.  This website is very popular among our internet cafes and I started to read more about this forum.  The thing is a lot of jobs don't pay enough and people are looking for a way out.  Do you feel empathy for these people or do you think this forum shouldn't be for money?

One must endeavor to empathize with those less fortunate than ourselves. I would not chastise those seeking much needed financial reward in return for their contributions. If they are trying their uttermost to provide valuable and useful content, then however meager their net output is, they must be encouraged.

I fear saturation point in terms of novel ico's with real use cases is near at hand. The chances of your air drop tokens/sig derived tokens bringing a consistent income sufficient to live upon are slimming daily.

The primary problem that some members have with the specific group being discussed, is that some are unable to produce any output above noise level. Too much noise can drown out the less frequent high value posts. This can destroy, and inhibit, the meaningful interaction and exchanges of ideas.

The forum will eventually reach a point, where the threshold to extract any direct financial reward via posting is  high enough to prevent a lot of the low level noise.

This forum will never separate itself from perceived opportunities to make easy money.


Title: Re: Thoughts on people that use this forum as income source?
Post by: AhmadM on April 11, 2019, 06:18:56 PM
I do know many people from my country that use this forum as their only source of income.  This website is very popular among our internet cafes and I started to read more about this forum.  The thing is a lot of jobs don't pay enough and people are looking for a way out.  Do you feel empathy for these people or do you think this forum shouldn't be for money?
This forum is not for income source only, you are right you can earn some money from here but dont see it just on one sight (money). You also have to see it as source of knowledge especially about cryptocurrency and blockchain technology.


Title: Re: Thoughts on people that use this forum as income source?
Post by: TheNewAnon135246 on April 11, 2019, 07:28:44 PM
Make a thread about income, attract people making random posts for their signature campaign. I like the irony  ;D.


Title: Re: Thoughts on people that use this forum as income source?
Post by: The Pharmacist on April 11, 2019, 07:50:43 PM
<snip>relying on this forum as their primary source of income is a risky move. The flow of income may be unstable and the offers from various campaign signatures is mainly on a short-term basis.
My thoughts exactly.  I have the Services section on ignore, but before I did there seemed to be a lot fewer new bitcoin-paying signature campaigns popping up, which makes me wonder how long they're going to exist.  On the other hand, bounties seem to be going strong.  If you take a look at any post made by a low-ranked member in sections like Bitcoin Discussion, chances are they're advertising some ICO or project in their signature space, avatar, and/or personal message space.

Bounties and campaigns might be a great way for people in impoverished areas to earn money, but if they're counting on it as their sole source of income, they're playing Russian roulette.  What happens if, for whatever reason, you can no longer use bitcointalk to make money?  All the time these people spent spamming wasn't used to grow marketable skills for a real-life job, so they'd be screwed.

And besides all that, bounty hunters are generally not good for the forum--they contribute mostly vapid, cookie-cutter statements with no thought, and they do this with as little effort as they can.  Bitcoin Discussion should be the best section here, and yet it's hands-down one of the worst.  Why?  Because of all the people who come here just to make money.  Such people don't necessarily care about bitcoin.  They want to earn money, whatever form it happens to take.  Thus, they tend to have very little to say about bitcoin except that 'it has a sunny future and continues to grow day by day' or some such shit.

So OP, I have a very dismal view of career bitcointalkers.  This forum is great for them but they're lousy for the rest of us who actually like to read interesting stuff.

If they are trying their uttermost to provide valuable and useful content, then however meager their net output is, they must be encouraged.
Yeah.  The problem is that they're not trying to provide anything to anyone else but themselves.  There are exceptions to that, of course, but just take a look at some of the mega spam sections and you'll see what I'm talking about.


Title: Re: Thoughts on people that use this forum as income source?
Post by: TheNewAnon135246 on April 11, 2019, 08:00:03 PM
<snip>relying on this forum as their primary source of income is a risky move. The flow of income may be unstable and the offers from various campaign signatures is mainly on a short-term basis.
My thoughts exactly.  I have the Services section on ignore, but before I did there seemed to be a lot fewer new bitcoin-paying signature campaigns popping up, which makes me wonder how long they're going to exist.  On the other hand, bounties seem to be going strong.  If you take a look at any post made by a low-ranked member in sections like Bitcoin Discussion, chances are they're advertising some ICO or project in their signature space, avatar, and/or personal message space.

Bounties and campaigns might be a great way for people in impoverished areas to earn money, but if they're counting on it as their sole source of income, they're playing Russian roulette.  What happens if, for whatever reason, you can no longer use bitcointalk to make money?  All the time these people spent spamming wasn't used to grow marketable skills for a real-life job, so they'd be screwed.

And besides all that, bounty hunters are generally not good for the forum--they contribute mostly vapid, cookie-cutter statements with no thought, and they do this with as little effort as they can.  Bitcoin Discussion should be the best section here, and yet it's hands-down one of the worst.  Why?  Because of all the people who come here just to make money.  Such people don't necessarily care about bitcoin.  They want to earn money, whatever form it happens to take.  Thus, they tend to have very little to say about bitcoin except that 'it has a sunny future and continues to grow day by day' or some such shit.

So OP, I have a very dismal view of career bitcointalkers.  This forum is great for them but they're lousy for the rest of us who actually like to read interesting stuff.

Well said. What really surprised me (and really pissed me off) is that they even had the nerve to post in Zepher's memorial thread.


Title: Re: Thoughts on people that use this forum as income source?
Post by: Theb on April 11, 2019, 08:27:53 PM
This forum isn't like a bodybuilding forum that focuses on workouts and diet or a car forum that focuses on car reviews and parts this is a cryptocurrency related forum that focuses on Bitcoin (and Altcoins) which is or are currencies in itself. You cannot really speak about cryptocurrencies here without actually having a point on were you can't earn them, its like speaking about cryptids monster without actually seeing one. Like what they have said its inevitable on the nature of the forum itself that's why you see a lot of modes of revenue here not only through campaigns and bounty threads but also in the service and marketplace section as well where you can actually sell physical goods or services to other people.


Title: Re: Thoughts on people that use this forum as income source?
Post by: Becky666 on April 11, 2019, 08:43:49 PM
The choice is yours as a Bitcointalker either to choice to work for money on the forum, or to arm yourself with the knowledge of cryptocurrency. Deliberately i choose the ways of knowledge than the ways of "get quick rich" that many have chosen, OP should advise himself/herself on the side s/he choose to toil on.

Actually, many will stand against me on this; Satoshi aim and purpose for the forum was not meant to be use for paid signature campaign but Bitcoiners has turn it to be a venue for "get quick rich"(in bold). Not disputing anybody who choose to participate on signature campaign but let be realistic, that the first thing should be first, let the purpose of the forum creation be ultimate goal for the Bitcoiners and not the secondary("get quick rich").

Will somebody say my signature campaign has no benefits because is voluntary? or not quality signature campaign? i have choosing the knowledge over the money which is more profitable than the latest scheme of work on the forum ("get quick rick" with signature campaigns). Not too interested on the Satoshi's paid by these Managers to Bounty Hunters.

Reading some amazing tips/comments/suggestion provided by some higher ranked members, even the lower ranked members; get me so emotional about their knowledge of cryptocurrency and just want to be like them; that's all i wanted for now.


Title: Re: Thoughts on people that use this forum as income source?
Post by: samcrypto on April 11, 2019, 11:14:56 PM
This forum is a way to learn more about cryptocurrency, a tool for a new coins to spread there project well and this is not a source of income but a great source of knowledge.

You canít earn money in this forum alone, you have to find a project who are willing to pay for your works and you can see that on different sections on this forum.


Title: Re: Thoughts on people that use this forum as income source?
Post by: TECSHARE on April 11, 2019, 11:16:13 PM
I do know many people from my country that use this forum as their only source of income.  This website is very popular among our internet cafes and I started to read more about this forum.  The thing is a lot of jobs don't pay enough and people are looking for a way out.  Do you feel empathy for these people or do you think this forum shouldn't be for money?

I think most people here who use the forum welcome people who want to earn income here as long as they are not fraudulent, don't disrupt the function of the forum, and provide useful goods or services. If you can do those 3 things you should be well accepted here even if your only purpose is to earn an income.


Title: Re: Thoughts on people that use this forum as income source?
Post by: daarul50 on April 11, 2019, 11:22:33 PM
At first, this forum was created not functioned as a tool to make money but this forum served as a medium for discussing crypto users especially bitcoin. But, as the function of this forum progresses, it must adjust to current needs and conditions so that many people assume that this forum is a medium for earning money. We cannot blame them because in the forum we talk about everything about cryptocurrency including income in the form of bitcoin that we can exchange with fiat money.


Title: Re: Thoughts on people that use this forum as income source?
Post by: FFrankie on April 11, 2019, 11:26:12 PM
I applaud those in third world countries who use this forum for an income, I can only imagine how fast their internet is.

According to https://www.worlddata.info/average-income.php (https://www.worlddata.info/average-income.php) there are 14 countries in the world where the average signature campaign pays more than the median wage.


Title: Re: Thoughts on people that use this forum as income source?
Post by: nagauruk on April 12, 2019, 02:27:33 AM
The problem is not where and how money is earned. As someone stated before, human greed has no limits, you get something then you want other things and so on.

The point is that if someone makes this forum the main source for making money (I myself use this forum to get pocket money), it doesn't matter as long as the person is able to manage the money well.

Most people, especially those with low rankings in the forum, only get a little money but that would be another story if they invested their income into 'hidden gems' for example.

Crypto is smart money for smart people. Let's be smart!


Title: Re: Thoughts on people that use this forum as income source?
Post by: TheHas on April 12, 2019, 07:57:37 AM
If they are actually trying to contribute, and don't just use google translate to copy paste spam and hope for the best, then sure make some money/crypto.

Problem I had particularly during the 2017 boom was just all the trash and forum exploitation by bounty hunters and even some campaign managers. Most of the content made no sense and made it difficult to engage with anyone in a meaningful way.

Worst part (or most sad) was that alot of these people still don't know a thing about crypto/blockchain, except that you can swap it for $x in whatever fiat you are after.


Title: Re: Thoughts on people that use this forum as income source?
Post by: DdmrDdmr on April 12, 2019, 08:04:08 AM
It all really boils down to how they do it, and the acts they carry along to do so, rather much more than the fact that they use the forum as a source of income to some extent. There are quite a few ways to earn some income here, although the OP is likely focusing on Campaigns and not letís say Services. There, my empathy goes as far as my intrusion level tolerance.

Take for example those people that make a living of placing outbound calls, calling you regularly at any time, to offer you whatever they have to sell. These I tend to dislike, and normally I end the conversation abruptly if at all. Now there is a worse tier of people that call you to scam you with some bogus pretence of "your  computer have virrrrrrus" or alike. These can be struck down by lightning for all I care, since they are not only intrusive, but scammers who wonít catch me off-guard, but they may catch the next one on their list.

Same applies on the forum. If they respectfully sign-on to campaigns and donít spam the place, they become contributors and are under my non-intrusive tolerance radar. If on the other hand they cannot put a sentence together that makes any sense, then they are virtually intruding my reading path, and sympathy stops there.


Title: Re: Thoughts on people that use this forum as income source?
Post by: CryptopreneurBrainboss on April 12, 2019, 08:09:02 AM
I'm a Nigerian, I don't hide that and I do earn from this forum but that's as part-time and not my main source of income. I joined forum in 2017 and didn't receive a penny until early this year when I ranked up to Full member (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098486.0) and starting receiving ~$18 weekly and as of recent I receive around ~$50 weekly and if bitcoin price was to remain within it's current price range for months that means I'll be receiving ~$200 monthly when the average level one worker received ~$82 monthly by law in Nigeria (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5094483.0/). I don't see anything wrong with leveraging the forum for some side income but depending on it totally which leads to abusing the forum for selfish interest is what I'm against.

What OP said is true the site is popular for the wrong reason (quick money site) and people depend totally on it as their only source of income. I have received numerous invitations to speak at money making seminars listing BTCT as one of those site but decline them all. The recent I did attend as it was a blockchain related event I spoke against such practice, as encouraging Nigerian to see forum as a way to earn money instead of a place to hangout with like-minds, learn, seek blockchain related support and share information. is the main cause of numerous scam and spamming been linked to Nigerians on forum.


Title: Re: Thoughts on people that use this forum as income source?
Post by: NavI_027 on April 12, 2019, 08:27:13 AM
It is inevitable that this forum is used as a medium for promoting business, advertisements, and recruitments for businesses. This forum has the largest amount of users active around the world and this would be a great opportunity for people who are looking to share their knowledge about cryptocurrencies in general
Hey! how about Reddit? For sure they got more users than here ;D.

Anyway, going back to the topic, I understand if most of the members here use this forum to earn some money simply because job opportunities are present (like sig campaign and bounties). What do you expect? We just let such good opportunity slip away, of course not. Earning while learning at the same time is much better than learning alone right? However, it was a wrong mindset if a user just went here only for the sake of earning. That's
why I always tell to my friends or anyone who are willing to become a member here that the real purpose of this forum is to offer knowledge and not solely money. I do believe that money drives people crazy which is really true, best examples are the shitposters and spammers here who don't care for their misconduct as long as they are earning few bucks. seeking for money is not the right motivation, seeking for wisdom does. 
The point is that if someone makes this forum the main source for making money (I myself use this forum to get pocket money), it doesn't matter as long as the person is able to manage the money well.
Yeah! That's a good thing but it has nothing to do to maintain the health of our forum. If you make money in this forum, you should not only manage your earnings properly but also become a role model here. Obey the rules at all times, engage with sensible discussions, contribute something based on what you can do and help your co-member even in your simple ways ;).


Title: Re: Thoughts on people that use this forum as income source?
Post by: Jet Cash on April 12, 2019, 09:21:49 AM
There are so many ways to earn money on the Internet and in the world of crypto, that you have to be pretty sad ( and a failure in mho) if this forum is the only way you can earn an income.

btw - why don't you tell us about cocopalm and it's place in the Nigerian economy?


Title: Re: Thoughts on people that use this forum as income source?
Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on April 12, 2019, 12:42:22 PM
I donít have any problem with people using this forum as an income source as long as they meet the following requirements -

  • Post constructively - No shit posting & spamming
  • Donít break the law
  • Treat people here with respect
  • Be an honest & helpful member of our community

Signature campaigns exist & possibly always will. We can all get along & have a fun, healthy community providing we adhere to the above points.



Title: Re: Thoughts on people that use this forum as income source?
Post by: dikobraz123 on April 12, 2019, 01:32:20 PM
Byproduct of the central banking system is this economically very un-equal world. E.g. for some members of this forum income of 100 USD/month is pocket money - and for some this is more than average salary in their country (so the lure of earning money here can be very strong). For me the whole idea of crypto is something that will someday somehow replace the central banking system - and the by-product of that will be (hopefully) more economical equality. As others have stated before - this forum should be primarily a place for learning. But if someone can make some money along without spamming, shitposting and scamming - go for it... After all - earning crypto money from forum activity is the example of real world use of crypto.


Title: Re: Thoughts on people that use this forum as income source?
Post by: Coolcryptovator on April 12, 2019, 05:03:38 PM
This forum was created for spread the word about bitcoin and build a strong community. If you are considering this forum as a main income source then you are walking on wrong path. To be honest, even I am not depending on any online earning including this forum and trading. If you depend on forum income then I am sure you will be on trouble on near future. But its true peoples are considering this forum as passive income. You can earn from here bounty, signature, lending, currency exchange, selling skill/service and goods. But there is no any guaranty that how much will you able earn weekly or monthly. For example I am doing signature campaign, but I don't know when will it end or when will manager kick me. So don't consider this forum for your main income source. 


Title: Re: Thoughts on people that use this forum as income source?
Post by: kenzawak on April 12, 2019, 06:31:52 PM
Do you feel empathy for these people or do you think this forum shouldn't be for money?

Empathy for most of them of course even though I'm not sure about the numbers that have been posted here.
I don't see altcoins bounty campaigns being very profitable honestly. But there are other services like someone mentioned that can help you make money.
What I don't really appreciate is when some of them use their situation to attract pitty or worse scam others. There is no excuse for that.
And it's obviously very risky to rely only on this forum to make an income.


Title: Re: Thoughts on people that use this forum as income source?
Post by: lobcmt2 on April 13, 2019, 01:31:42 AM
So don't consider this forum for your main income source. 
Forum income, whatever kind of income, and how much does forum income you can earn, should only be considered as secondary income, not main one, so I agreed with you. Even companies that run campaigns don't know that they will survive next one or two years. Everything in our lives change so fast, and changes are faster in crypto, at lightning speed, maybe (just a little metaphor here).
To be honest, I joined the forum firstly because I read that I can get money from bounties, but over time (since late of 2017) I realized that the forum has lots of valuable things, much valuable than bounties. The forum has its role as the place of most prestigiuos crypto enthusiasts, and they are very helpful. If someone got troubles with crypto issues, they can join the forum and ask for help. The forum is not the place of real-time support, but eventually support request will be solved by forum community. It's amazing, and I learn a lot of things within last one year Bear market. If Bear Market did not occur last year, maybe I did not focus too much on learning.  :-X