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Title: What the future HODL?
Post by: liberox on April 19, 2019, 10:00:54 PM
These days we are about to make a very important decision in which way the cryptosphere will walk through. A sudden rise of a corporate owned coin(s) coincident with a clear sign from the same big corporation how it will threat with the crypto. And for me crypto is equal to bitcoin by nature.

I dont remeber where BNB was named "the next bitcoin", but it is a fact and it was much before the these days run. Its more than shocking, but the truth behind has its reasons. Are You ready for such a future?

Isnt it all that Satoshi was against to? Censorship, centralisation, absolute power in the hands of the big players (the banks from the ancient time).. I hate the shitforks, I can`t tolerate the faketoshi behavior, however the much bigger problem for me is the possibility acts of CENSORSHIP to play role in the cryptoworld. I dont think we should accept that.

Same time the same big player entered with its own coin and predictable it gained a huge power as well entered the possibility to reward its "followers" as recently Mithril.

Where we going? I dont see any significant diffenece between JPMorgan coin, any hypotetical governance coin and BNB. If we continue that way we can see how exchanes delist BITCOIN by reasons as "untrusted", non KYC or whatever. Dont they tend to devaluate it in order to get higher their own exchange-coins (aka BANK-COINS!), to CONTROL the market AND the CUSTOMERS as far as it can.

The problem is that the big part of cryptoadopters are some kind of "investors", "traders", profit-hunters. It has nothing to do with BITCOIN. So they can go ahead and invest in BNB and whichever else BaNkCoin. Thats the shortest way to devaluate and eliminate BTC. BTC is NOT about that. Its for FREEDOM (dont read financial-freedom), and if its not so important for You, go ahead and "invest" in BNB. Next we can see how some customers are banned just because they tweeted something "wrong" about some big player, or some wallets become blocked just because the owned run an website named crypto-leaks with very unpleasure information about the big players..

#deletecoinbase was a big thing, however very poor supported by the community. I hope we can wake up before to be too late. Be careful: DO NOT TRADE Your FREEDOM.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Patatas on April 19, 2019, 10:09:17 PM
Unfortunately, there is a very small portion of the community that belongs to 'Do Not Trade Your Freedom' group. The majority doesn't care. Imagine this, Jack hears about bitcoins from his neighbor next door and keeps hearing things like bitcoin make people rich. Jack googles 'buy bitcoins' and he is convinced to buy it from coinbase or other 100 other shitty exchanges. All jack cares about is doubling his money.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: qiwoman2 on April 19, 2019, 10:10:38 PM
I think we will have to compromise some of our Freedoms for the common good and to see Bitcoin and other Cryptocurrencies flourish. Unless the whole system of world governance is overhauled, we can't really see the rise of Bitcoin and long term HODL, as well as the mass utility of it unless we have some regulation and intervention. We want mass adoption and many people hodling Bitcoin but that will come at a price. We want total freedom, then we need first to get rid of the poor governance we have and that will take a long time. For now, though the HODL still applies and it's a long term one for many I believe.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: r1s2g3 on April 19, 2019, 10:42:46 PM
Unfortunately, there is a very small portion of the community that belongs to 'Do Not Trade Your Freedom' group. The majority doesn't care. Imagine this, Jack hears about bitcoins from his neighbor next door and keeps hearing things like bitcoin make people rich. Jack googles 'buy bitcoins' and he is convinced to buy it from coinbase or other 100 other shitty exchanges. All jack cares about is doubling his money.

Almost every article introduce Bitcoin as an asset only. It was "xx" cents in 2010 and now it is $yyyy. Jack never heard about that "freedom" part. Jack never learnt the basic reason of creating the bitcoin. Even Jack is lured to buy lot of shit in the name of blockchain.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Dark Ripper on April 20, 2019, 02:51:48 AM
On these days, the future of HODL is very good because hodl for now is the best way to do for waiting the increase and the comeback of the of the real market who have the very high demand of bitcoin and also the high price of the market.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Ailmand on April 20, 2019, 03:17:26 AM
I think people who earn bitcoin would never doubt about it and its future. Some of them have the mentality of buying more as long as they can since it's good for a long term investment. We are all aiming for the continuous adoption of bitcoin since that will bring a massive development and has a positive outcome for holders as well. Everyone wants financial freedom and that's the main reason why a lot of believers are holding more bitcoin.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: pooya87 on April 20, 2019, 03:20:10 AM
who cares? let the centralized shitcoins be around and be used for pump and dumps to give investors the profit they so crave. even if coins like BNB shoot up to the moon and be worth $1 million over bitcoin's price, they still remain useless tokens that will get dumped right after their pumping period was over and eventually in the long term they will die. we have seen thousands of them in the past 10 years, they come and get pumped for a while and then vanish since that "profit" was the only thing people cared about and they had no other usages and the "profit" comes from pumps that can not keep happening forever.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: mandor on April 20, 2019, 03:51:13 AM
depending on the market situation if the price of Bitcoin continues to decline then you have to buy a lot of Bitcoin and HODL aims to avoid dump price and big losses. if you are a trader then you already know that Bitcoin is good for long-term investment and that is why Bitcoin holders still adopt Bitcoin for the future. I have never doubted the future of Bitcoin as long as there are still many people using it.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: hugeblack on April 21, 2019, 07:42:11 AM
Is it the new manipulation of money? Give you shitcoins for promises.

Many platforms have started to charge their services for some centeral coins which means you pay them to create more free money. I am not talking about BNB but USDT and all the currencies that have no interest except speculation.
The recent rise of BNB was the reason for the manipulation between that platform (Binance) and Crypto.com Chain.

I hope that people will become more aware of this. Otherwise, such platforms will soon be transferred to the next crypto central banks.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: aad140386 on April 21, 2019, 08:02:03 AM
I think you exaggerate the situation. I do not think that things are going so bad now. Yes, there are certain patterns to strengthen the tokens of exchanges, especially BNB, but they will not be able to replace Bitcoin, since Bitcoin will already distribute strongly. Eliminating it altogether, they will not succeed at all because the number of stock exchanges is growing constantly and Binance simply does not have such hegemony on the market of crypto-exchange. If Binance decides to abandon Bitcoin, then most likely it will become a story and not Bitcoin. Of course, I agree with you that many have come to cryptocurrency because of the opportunity to make money quickly, not because they see the benefits of cryptocurrency, but it will always be so. Human greed has no limits.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Bitinity on April 21, 2019, 08:19:36 AM
Where we going? I dont see any significant diffenece between JPMorgan coin, any hypotetical governance coin and BNB. If we continue that way we can see how exchanes delist BITCOIN by reasons as "untrusted", non KYC or whatever. Dont they tend to devaluate it in order to get higher their own exchange-coins (aka BANK-COINS!), to CONTROL the market AND the CUSTOMERS as far as it can.

Just in case exchanges started to delist bitcoin because of mentioned above reasons to make their own coin become more popular and get higher price. I do believe the exchanges will get the opposite things, means their coins will be more useless because  people will still believe in Bitcoin than other coins. Anyway, I dont think exchanges will delist bitcoin as it will be like a suicide for them.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: alisafidel58 on April 21, 2019, 08:26:54 AM
"The future looks bright" as they all say. I really don't care about those centralized coins like BNB that has been taking a hype now. HODLers of bitcoin will have a great future when they stick around with bitcoin. They could keep some altcoins but never trust a centralized coin.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Lakai01 on April 21, 2019, 08:32:25 AM
Ig you are a trader then you already know that Bitcoin is good for long-term investment and that is why Bitcoin holders still adopt Bitcoin for the future.
A trader doesnt care about the price. He trades bitcoin at 20k and he trades bitcoin at 1k. All that matters to you as a trader is how many percent of your stack did you win or lose with your trade!


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Beerwizzard on April 21, 2019, 08:39:34 AM
These days we are about to make a very important decision in which way the cryptosphere will walk through. A sudden rise of a corporate owned coin(s) coincident with a clear sign from the same big corporation how it will threat with the crypto. And for me crypto is equal to bitcoin by nature.
It has absolutely no effect on cryptocurrency market. Corporations are creating their own stablecoins that would have fixed exchange rate and woukd be used only inside a company that issued them.
Isnt it all that Satoshi was against to? Censorship, centralisation, absolute power in the hands of the big players (the banks from the ancient time)..
In the market someone would always have more money than you. Financial inequality is a natural thing, you won't replace it.

Unfortunately, there is a very small portion of the community that belongs to 'Do Not Trade Your Freedom' group. The majority doesn't care. Imagine this, Jack hears about bitcoins from his neighbor next door and keeps hearing things like bitcoin make people rich. Jack googles 'buy bitcoins' and he is convinced to buy it from coinbase or other 100 other shitty exchanges. All jack cares about is doubling his money.
Sure. And now imagina how many people would buy cryptocurrency if they had to pay extra fees for privacy and other shit without getting a profit. That number would show us true crypto enthusiasts.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: traderethereum on April 21, 2019, 08:44:37 AM
Ig you are a trader then you already know that Bitcoin is good for long-term investment and that is why Bitcoin holders still adopt Bitcoin for the future.
A trader doesnt care about the price. He trades bitcoin at 20k and he trades bitcoin at 1k. All that matters to you as a trader is how many percent of your stack did you win or lose with your trade!
As long as traders can get the profit, then he will do the same things over and over.
The future of hold will be bright because all cryptocurrency has potential to increase in the future. But that is only for the coin that really has the power to survive for a long time, and not many of them can do that.
The hold itself will become another way for traders to sell only when the price increase higher and still hold and wait for the time to comes.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: AngelSky on April 21, 2019, 08:49:10 AM
"The future looks bright" as they all say. I really don't care about those centralized coins like BNB that has been taking a hype now. HODLers of bitcoin will have a great future when they stick around with bitcoin. They could keep some altcoins but never trust a centralized coin.

Then how about the XRP is growth buddy? This coin is not at all worth to stay in top 100 as well but this coin got the 2nd and 3rd by changing all the time. So please ignore this coin also along with BNB.
At least this BNB coin is useful in the time of IEO being launched in the Binance launchpad.

May be in next two days we can find the bnb price goes down because of the matic token.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: TalkStar on April 21, 2019, 09:13:46 AM
If anyone make comparison between other coin and bitcoin then its completely a waste of time. Bitcoin has already showed its stability and still improving in every second. Someone may talk about other coins/tokens price  mooning but are they stable enough to win investors trust.

Bitcoin is one of the most trusted and profitable investment option for worldwide investors. In recent times its hard to find people who haven't heard about bitcoin. Having price boost is just a matter of time.

As a crypto currency user I always prefer others to hold bitcoin first and then choose others.  Its because I want to suggest everyone for similarly lower risky investment.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Kakmakr on April 21, 2019, 09:46:03 AM
Exchanges will not de-list coins that are popular, because they are making large amounts of money from coins with high trade volumes. This is what is going to force them to continue supporting Bitcoin.  ;)

As for the BankCoins….. they will be launched and people will quickly see the danger in investing in coins that are centralized <We will make sure to educate them on the dangers of investing in centralized coins>  :P

The future is Bitcoin and no Bank can take FREEDOM away from anyone, whilst Bitcoin is still around.  ;)


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: crypto1998 on April 21, 2019, 09:51:06 AM
hi
for my own opinion im against hodl and against long term investments because bitcoin can pump and dump in any second
and the value of bitcoin isn't stable anymore so holding coins is very risky now
i don't think that BNB exploding is something weard its something expected for a coin of best exchange in the world "Binance"
and i think this is just the beginning im sure that BNB can be the next ethereum or even next bitcoin
and about the BCH fork im also against this shit fork im against BCH this shit coin coused a big mess in the market (bitcoin drop)
Binance did a great favor with delisting BCHSV shit i hope that ABC also will be delisted


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: CryptoBry on April 21, 2019, 10:01:21 AM
Unfortunately, there is a very small portion of the community that belongs to 'Do Not Trade Your Freedom' group. The majority doesn't care. Imagine this, Jack hears about bitcoins from his neighbor next door and keeps hearing things like bitcoin make people rich. Jack googles 'buy bitcoins' and he is convinced to buy it from coinbase or other 100 other shitty exchanges. All jack cares about is doubling his money.

This is the big reality we are in and I am sure that in the coming years nothing much can be changing along this line. The thing is that as long as we are dealing with humans, idealism can be flying in our faces fast. Sad to say, the very things that Satoshi hoped we should be avoiding are right now before our own doorstep. I am really wishing that the bigger Bitcoin community can staying to the dreams by the man who started this whole thing and allow our greed and selfishness to be reigning the whole industry.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: kissme09 on April 21, 2019, 10:05:42 AM
We cannot determine Hodler's future because any Altcoin has risks. But Hodl is the safest option in the Cryptocurrency market when price adjustments often occur. So many people choose to keep Altcoin that they love for a long time to minimize risks and only sell them when they reach the price they set.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Digitalbitcoin on April 21, 2019, 10:06:18 AM
hi  ;D
for my own opinion im against hodl and against long term investments because bitcoin can pump and dump in any second
and the value of bitcoin isn't stable anymore so holding coins is very risky now
i don't think that BNB exploding is something weard its something expected for a coin of best exchange in the world "Binance"
and i think this is just the beginning im sure that BNB can be the next ethereum or even next bitcoin
and about the BCH fork im also against this shit fork im against BCH this shit coin coused a big mess in the market (bitcoin drop)
Binance did a great favor with delisting BCHSV shit i hope that ABC also will be delisted

Some people think and believe that HODL can give more returns but, as per my perspective, every movement of the market make some volumetric changes in the whole cryptomarket as most of all altcoins get evaluated in BTC. Trading and mining are very important things we have to consider HOLD for a specific coin.

While considering HODL, Also have to keep watch on wether that particular cryptocurrency is PoW or PoS along with total and current supply available.

Holding altcoins can bring more possibilities due to the higher volatility of price against BTC. And due to higher price volatility against BTC its also make an impact on fiat price of the specific altcoin.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: rahmatullah9305 on April 21, 2019, 10:15:51 AM
There remain questions over whether other cryptocurrencies can do what bitcoin does, but better. Ethereum, for example, is faster than bitcoin. Transactions are completed in seconds rather than minutes. Its supporters suggest that its uses are more widespread than bitcoin, potentially acting as a platform for distributed computing. There are still concerns about the amounting of computing power it takes to support bitcoin, and whether it may limit its long-term growth. Here, other newer cryptocurrencies may be able to provide more efficient options.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Shenzou on April 21, 2019, 10:26:12 AM
The problem with today's crypto is that almost everyone who is involved in it is just in it for the money and profit, ever since the prices started going up back in 2017 and it got popular for a while people have been investing and pumping money without even caring about the concept and the reason why the coin was made whether it was bitcoin or any ICO, and that is why at any sign of price drooping these people just ditch out, obviously this is going to be the case whenever prices go up, but when it comes to actually support and believe in the development and in crypto making an actually impact in our lives, only the people that support it when its down.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: leea-1334 on April 21, 2019, 01:21:19 PM
It is sad that not many people believe this or even support it. #deletecoinbase is now replaced by guys like Blockchain.info and Coinbase Pro. People giving up their privacy for 25 dollars of XLM. People giving up their identity to get charged high fees by these guys, people buying up BNB like you said because it is the next BTC, and BNB CEO saying things that people listen to (can you imagine a CEO saying FOMO is back?). People trust XRP and BNB,,, and they know nothing about the claims made by their people. It is a very strange world indeed.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: pawanjain on April 21, 2019, 01:50:45 PM
hi
for my own opinion im against hodl and against long term investments because bitcoin can pump and dump in any second
and the value of bitcoin isn't stable anymore so holding coins is very risky now
Holding bitcoins for a long term won't do any harm to you because it is known that any long term investment yields a profit which includes bitcoin.
It's true that bitcoin may pump and dump at any time but it doesn't happen so frequently and besides that one who believes in bitcoin won't care even if the price dumps.
Because he knows that the price will recover sooner or later. So buying it while the price is affordable would be the best deal to make.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: bigmelons25 on April 21, 2019, 04:20:12 PM
The truth is no one really knows that the future holds.  We have people like Warren Buffet calling bitcoin rat poison and we have people like Mcafee saying bitcoin will hit 1 million dollars.  Just make your own decisions and don't blindly follow someone else.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Digitalbitcoin on April 21, 2019, 04:53:02 PM
The truth is no one really knows that the future holds.  We have people like Warren Buffet calling bitcoin rat poison and we have people like Mcafee saying bitcoin will hit 1 million dollars.  Just make your own decisions and don't blindly follow someone else.

Every intelligent person has their own views, no matter whatever these are. But while thinking for HODL always have to go for deep study. Now, most of you will think about what it deep study? It's not a big deal, grab that much knowledge where you can believe and make a conclusion and decision.

Bitcoin or any other altcoins are specifically designed with protocol and algorithm which is based on high-end quantum physics. Considering upcoming technology trends it will surely give a good benefit. But Cryptocurrencies are most volatile digital assets which have more than 30% price volatility.

Bitcoin is basically a great platform to enter into the future digital economy. In coming future understanding Bitcoin platform will give more mobility and freedom to its user to access it.

So according to demand and supply law, and due to limited supply price of Bitcoin will skyrocket for sure.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: kryptqnick on April 21, 2019, 05:02:10 PM
In a way we said goodbye to our freedom when we started using exchanges and even wallets at all. Bitcoin in the vision of its creator was supposed to be exchanged by people directly with no intermediaries.
Another treason is of course treating Bitcoin only as investment and caring about it as long as it's profitable. The op is right, we shouldn't be trading our freedom. But some tendencies are irreversible already.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: muslol67 on April 21, 2019, 05:28:06 PM
In a way we said goodbye to our freedom when we started using exchanges and even wallets at all. Bitcoin in the vision of its creator was supposed to be exchanged by people directly with no intermediaries.
Another treason is of course treating Bitcoin only as investment and caring about it as long as it's profitable. The op is right, we shouldn't be trading our freedom. But some tendencies are irreversible already.


I think it's not that simple. So we can not say that this market has no future because we use only exchange. Cryptocurrencies can be more effective than DEXs for the future, yet in the maturation period.

Don't take so serious this CEX and leave people trade whenever they want.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: okala on April 21, 2019, 06:23:12 PM
Some times freedom in it self is not free because some time we have to sacrifice our freedom for the general good of the society, but in all hodling for the future still remains the best in this industry.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: cellard on April 21, 2019, 06:24:40 PM
Exchanges that are printing their own money (like Binance) are probably breaking some laws. The whole "altcoin" thing is just a big clusterfuck. I wish I NEVER touched any altcoins. It just makes your taxes basically IMPOSSIBLE to fill after you get involved. The damn coins die so you cannot access your wallet.dat anymore as the blockchains don't sync, the exchanges die and you lose trading history (in case that you didn't save it which is most likely the case). It's just a big fuck up. Im getting rid of any alts I still have, or maybe not even that, I will just let them rot, they have only given me headaches. If you try to convert any BTC to fiat, you are going to see a nightmare of impossible-to-fill taxes.

As far as people selling, you cannot stop them. What matters is, fiat tends towards infinite supply, Bitcoin is strictly limited in amount, so do the simple math.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: muslol67 on April 21, 2019, 06:30:57 PM
Exchanges that are printing their own money (like Binance) are probably breaking some laws. The whole "altcoin" thing is just a big clusterfuck. I wish I NEVER touched any altcoins. It just makes your taxes basically IMPOSSIBLE to fill after you get involved. The damn coins die so you cannot access your wallet.dat anymore as the blockchains don't sync, the exchanges die and you lose trading history (in case that you didn't save it which is most likely the case). It's just a big fuck up. Im getting rid of any alts I still have, or maybe not even that, I will just let them rot, they have only given me headaches. If you try to convert any BTC to fiat, you are going to see a nightmare of impossible-to-fill taxes.

As far as people selling, you cannot stop them. What matters is, fiat tends towards infinite supply, Bitcoin is strictly limited in amount, so do the simple math.

In your opinion, is it that simple? If it were, exchanges would only print money. It's because you think about the binance example. However, Binance offers the most important projects all over the world and it is not possible that its money is not valuable in this conditions.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: sheenshane on April 21, 2019, 07:36:09 PM
This is the reason why I hate talking about my own personal assets in Bitcoin. The people who hear about it are expecting that I will earn a lot of money because of the cryptocurrencies easily without even looking at my struggles, dedications, and passion towards Cryptocurrency.
Cryptocurrency is not different from all the industry the people would choose to invest their life and choose as their passion with.

If you really care and enthusiastic about cryptocurrency, then you can make yourself stay in the industry. But if you just wanted your money to have easily become a profitable one, then bitcoin is not a good choice for you.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Wysi on April 21, 2019, 10:54:28 PM
This is the reason why I hate talking about my own personal assets in Bitcoin. The people who hear about it are expecting that I will earn a lot of money because of the cryptocurrencies easily without even looking at my struggles, dedications, and passion towards Cryptocurrency.
Cryptocurrency is not different from all the industry the people would choose to invest their life and choose as their passion with.

If you really care and enthusiastic about cryptocurrency, then you can make yourself stay in the industry. But if you just wanted your money to have easily become a profitable one, then bitcoin is not a good choice for you.

Yes bitcoin is not a get rich soon scheme or any Ponzi, only those who had been in this domain knows the difficulty of what it takes to survive in this industry. I wish newbies who enter this domain assuming anyone can become richer just by entering this crypto world with thoughts of 2017 December bullrun needs to look at the other side as well.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Ale88 on April 22, 2019, 03:51:50 AM
Be careful: DO NOT TRADE Your FREEDOM.
Luckily or unluckily everybody has his own personal opinion, I agree with what you're saying but at the same time we have to respect other people's decisions. Hopefully they're gonna regret ut soon.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Hypnosis00 on April 22, 2019, 06:28:25 AM
Be careful: DO NOT TRADE Your FREEDOM.
Luckily or unluckily everybody has his own personal opinion, I agree with what you're saying but at the same time we have to respect other people's decisions. Hopefully they're gonna regret ut soon.
This is actually our own choice and we risk it not just for money but to contribute good things towards the community. We have that freedom and we have to used it in a nice way and not by being fraud or doing illegal activities in order to make money.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: DBronze98 on April 22, 2019, 10:18:22 AM
Be careful: DO NOT TRADE Your FREEDOM.
Luckily or unluckily everybody has his own personal opinion, I agree with what you're saying but at the same time we have to respect other people's decisions. Hopefully they're gonna regret ut soon.
This is actually our own choice and we risk it not just for money but to contribute good things towards the community. We have that freedom and we have to used it in a nice way and not by being fraud or doing illegal activities in order to make money.
Free trading is not a good choice for beginners. Trading has a lot of risks. Altcoin always dances and makes the trader intoxicated and thinking about fixed profits every day. Please stop because if you don't want the money, you have reduced every day, thank you for his advice. Free trading is your choice, but HODL helps you earn safe profits.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: 1Referee on April 22, 2019, 10:24:08 AM
The whole "altcoin" thing is just a big clusterfuck. I wish I NEVER touched any altcoins. It just makes your taxes basically IMPOSSIBLE to fill after you get involved. The damn coins die so you cannot access your wallet.dat anymore as the blockchains don't sync, the exchanges die and you lose trading history (in case that you didn't save it which is most likely the case). It's just a big fuck up. Im getting rid of any alts I still have, or maybe not even that, I will just let them rot, they have only given me headaches. If you try to convert any BTC to fiat, you are going to see a nightmare of impossible-to-fill taxes.

Or just don't report any taxes in this specific case. Seriously, if you try to do the good thing but don't have any documents, screenshots, spreadsheets, etc, you're basically fucked.

The government doesn't care about how much of a brave citizen you try to be by reporting your taxes in all honesty, they are out to extort you till they have what they (very wrongly) think you owe them. My motto is; what the government doesn't know can't hurt you, financially or physically. We are a bunch of criminals and tax evaders from their perspective, so we can only do wrong.  :-\

As for the altcoins you still have, wait for the next bull run and convert them to BTC, that's the smartest thing to do. I do that too with the wide variety of shit forks that I still haven't claimed. Even the worst possible shit coins pump hard against their BTC pair, so there isn't much to lose here.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Red-Apple on April 22, 2019, 10:54:46 AM
i don't see any of these centralized, corporate owned, bank owned, government created,... coins to be a threat to bitcoin! they aren't even capable of putting a dent in bitcoin's popularity that was gained already and will continue to be gained.
the only thing these things do is what they have always been doing, they offer a centralized solution that is no different that what we have seen before in paypal, banks, visa,...
in the end when people want decentralization, censorship resistance and all the other things that bitcoin offers, they always come back to bitcoin because that is their only option that truly offers these things.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: bettercrypto on April 22, 2019, 12:08:41 PM
There is no such thing as an absolute truth. Maybe, hold will make us millionaire but it may lose our time and money. Just be a clever when it comes in market condition since it is unpredictable. There are people who enjoys to hold and wait patiently but others do not. Well, its up to us because we are the one that will decide to hold and secure our tokens but for me, holding our altcoins are big step to be a millionaire.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Mandoy on April 22, 2019, 12:57:02 PM
Well majority of bitcoin holders and users are not concerned about privacy, they are not concerned about the motto or vision of Satoshi. They dont care how bitcoin is made and what it is for. The only thing that is driving the majority is the so called profit. And so if BNB or the so called bank coin can promise them big profit they would likely invest and support it so they can earn. Only a few bitcoin enthusiasts are here for the so called financial revolution against centralization. The world is cruel and money is what matters to the majority of the population including in the cryptocurrency world.

In summary people will hold coins that they think has the potential to bring them a fortune.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: MakeMoneyBtc on April 22, 2019, 01:03:34 PM
Unfortunately thats the way crypto is promoted right now, as a tool to invest and double or triple your money easily in a short time. And the problem is that most people share this bad information even further to their friends and thats why we get so many newbies in crypto world that come here just for money and not for the real purpose of bitcoin.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Reid on April 22, 2019, 01:05:19 PM
Goosebumps.

It is real and can happen.
I didnt go that far to imagine things but now it is embedded in my brain.

There is no stopping them but there could be a way to prevent them from kicking bitcoin.
Keep on supporting bitcoin not for greed but for usage.
As we see it, that is lost by now.
All they care is the money behind it. Yeah go 19k again. That is all you can see and sometimes it goes beyond like, "go 50k, 100k and even 500k".
If that keeps on we might see a deflating value rather than pumps.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: AztecGoldHero on April 22, 2019, 01:09:38 PM
ı prefer to hold platform coins , like waves ether vet, and also some undervalued currencıes like nav,

at next bull run these coıns wıll have attentıon and high values,

but people shouldnt forget all crypto ıs very rısky, %90 of crypto coıns mostlu scam or overrated


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Indamuck on April 22, 2019, 01:12:35 PM
Well majority of bitcoin holders and users are not concerned about privacy, they are not concerned about the motto or vision of Satoshi. They dont care how bitcoin is made and what it is for. The only thing that is driving the majority is the so called profit. And so if BNB or the so called bank coin can promise them big profit they would likely invest and support it so they can earn. Only a few bitcoin enthusiasts are here for the so called financial revolution against centralization. The world is cruel and money is what matters to the majority of the population including in the cryptocurrency world.

In summary people will hold coins that they think has the potential to bring them a fortune.

It started out with a much different mentality, it was about the principle and the technology.  You are right though, the main thing keeping bitcoin popular among the masses is the chance to get rich.  That is why we had people throwing money terrible ICOs in hopes of making easy money.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: maianh09 on April 22, 2019, 01:30:35 PM
Unfortunately thats the way crypto is promoted right now, as a tool to invest and double or triple your money easily in a short time. And the problem is that most people share this bad information even further to their friends and thats why we get so many newbies in crypto world that come here just for money and not for the real purpose of bitcoin.
Your purpose and me are the same, you care about money and so do I. The market is always risky, so many people always create FUD so that the market fluctuates to help them make a profit. The Crypto market can only be HODL to become rich, but you need to hold it for 1 or 2 years. This market does not exist the "win-win" concept because profits do not appear on their own.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: danherbias07 on April 22, 2019, 01:37:18 PM
It looks like we dont have the right teamwork or there are really a lot of bitcoin investors that are just in for money.

We keep on hoarding but for what? If this keeps on the value of bitcoin might go a greater fall than what we have seen. Worse it will be zero again.
Afterwards, we might not see it coming back to this moment since new coins are more trusted than the original bitcoin.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Sahyadri on April 22, 2019, 01:40:55 PM
The people who like financial freedom are hodling crypto for long term insipte of the price dips and are interested to buy more in the hope of getting rich.But this crypto market is full of risk and you can loose everything but you can make good profits.The technology behind it will soon more developed and prices may get stable at some position reducing the volatility.So people need to hodl it for long.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: cryptoangel on April 22, 2019, 01:44:55 PM
ı prefer to hold platform coins , like waves ether vet, and also some undervalued currencıes like nav,

at next bull run these coıns wıll have attentıon and high values,

but people shouldnt forget all crypto ıs very rısky, %90 of crypto coıns mostlu scam or overrated


Platforms based coins are for short term profits, it has the tendency to fluctuate to peak and dump to low value. If you not ideally handle these coins on exchanges you may face the lose for sure.

Fortunately BNB, which has exchange platform as their back support, seriously bumping like anything from the past few months. Then for your information only 40 percentage cryptos only are scam not all cryptos.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: hulla on April 22, 2019, 01:51:39 PM

Isnt it all that Satoshi was against to? Censorship, centralisation, absolute power in the hands of the big players (the banks from the ancient time).. I hate the shitforks, I can`t tolerate the faketoshi behavior, however the much bigger problem for me is the possibility acts of CENSORSHIP to play role in the cryptoworld. I dont think we should accept that.
Satoshi was totally against the centralization, all he want is for all man to be treated equally but we both know that if we want to make cryptocurrency survive or become the future currency a sacrifice need to be made.



Same time the same big player entered with its own coin and predictable it gained a huge power as well entered the possibility to reward its "followers" as recently Mithril.

I dont see what make Jeffrey Huang a big player in the crypto sphere but with this your message, I want to believe you're to pump the price of this project in market.



Where we going? I dont see any significant diffenece between JPMorgan coin, any hypotetical governance coin and BNB. If we continue that way we can see how exchanes delist BITCOIN by reasons as "untrusted", non KYC or whatever. Dont they tend to devaluate it in order to get higher their own exchange-coins (aka BANK-COINS!), to CONTROL the market AND the CUSTOMERS as far as it can.

No one know where we're going but we all hope for a better future for crypto currency and every coin hodler have the purpose the choose their coin. Besides, there's different between the concept behind JP Morgan Coin and BNB. But, I dont see any reason why exchange site we delist bitcoin in the future due to trusted issue.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: posi on April 22, 2019, 02:18:33 PM
Well majority of bitcoin holders and users are not concerned about privacy, they are not concerned about the motto or vision of Satoshi. They dont care how bitcoin is made and what it is for. The only thing that is driving the majority is the so called profit.
No, you're wrong buddy. There's no reason for every bitcoin holder/users not to be concern about their privacy and if people are not concern about their privacy there wont have the implementation of bitcoin mixing company like Bestmixer (https://bestmixer.io/). However, the profit thing was mentioned when Satoshi stated that bitcoin will make people financial freedom.


And so if BNB or the so called bank coin can promise them big profit they would likely invest and support it so they can earn.
In summary people will hold coins that they think has the potential to bring them a fortune.
No genuine cryptoneir will ever trust a centralized or coin created by banks which we both know that the price of the coin will always be manipulated.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Kalm on April 22, 2019, 02:19:17 PM
People hold the coins for the future purpose. People before invest and hold the coins. First people will be check the price information and then choose the best coin and invest hold the coin long time. If price is high that time release the coin. If price down hold the coins. Time to sell and buy.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: 0t3p0t on April 22, 2019, 02:19:34 PM
who cares? let the centralized shitcoins be around and be used for pump and dumps to give investors the profit they so crave. even if coins like BNB shoot up to the moon and be worth $1 million over bitcoin's price, they still remain useless tokens that will get dumped right after their pumping period was over and eventually in the long term they will die. we have seen thousands of them in the past 10 years, they come and get pumped for a while and then vanish since that "profit" was the only thing people cared about and they had no other usages and the "profit" comes from pumps that can not keep happening forever.
I agree with you mate.  That is why these pump and dump tokens and coins won't last due to the "profit" thing. We accumulate the shitcoins for gains unlike having Bitcoins that could be a back.up funds , long term investment and will be used as a payment method. To be honest I have Altcoins that is waiting for a good timing and if that happens all the gains will automatically be converted into Bitcoin.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: suzanne5223 on April 22, 2019, 02:20:07 PM
i don't see any of these centralized, corporate owned, bank owned, government created,... coins to be a threat to bitcoin! they aren't even capable of putting a dent in bitcoin's popularity that was gained already and will continue to be gained.
the only thing these things do is what they have always been doing, they offer a centralized solution that is no different that what we have seen before in paypal, banks, visa,...
in the end when people want decentralization, censorship resistance and all the other things that bitcoin offers, they always come back to bitcoin because that is their only option that truly offers these things.
You're right with what you said because people usually come back to bitcoin whenever they need genuine decentralized coin with the right capacity to survive and this has always been the strategy used by most arbitrage crypto traders. Besides, I believe the OP seems to be ignorant of bitcoin potentials when he predicted bitcoin maybe delist by some exchanges site in the future.



Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Ale88 on April 22, 2019, 02:48:04 PM
Free trading is not a good choice for beginners. Trading has a lot of risks. Altcoin always dances and makes the trader intoxicated and thinking about fixed profits every day. Please stop because if you don't want the money, you have reduced every day, thank you for his advice. Free trading is your choice, but HODL helps you earn safe profits.
I know that free trading is not a good choice for those who are new but hey, it's their money we're talking about, if they wanna risk to lose it no problem with that. Maybe some of them just wanna see how it works, you have to start somewhere.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: iqlimasyadiqa on April 22, 2019, 02:59:05 PM
Free trading is not a good choice for beginners. Trading has a lot of risks. Altcoin always dances and makes the trader intoxicated and thinking about fixed profits every day. Please stop because if you don't want the money, you have reduced every day, thank you for his advice. Free trading is your choice, but HODL helps you earn safe profits.
I know that free trading is not a good choice for those who are new but hey, it's their money we're talking about, if they wanna risk to lose it no problem with that. Maybe some of them just wanna see how it works, you have to start somewhere.
When someone is not brave in making decisions and jumping into free trade they will never get anything. it takes courage to make decisions because when someone is not brave and just tends to dwell they will never get anything. taking risks to seize the opportunity to profit from investment is a way to practice the skills and knowledge we have. the more we are often in a situation like this, the better the abilities and experience we have.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Ale88 on April 22, 2019, 03:01:40 PM
When someone is not brave in making decisions and jumping into free trade they will never get anything. it takes courage to make decisions because when someone is not brave and just tends to dwell they will never get anything. taking risks to seize the opportunity to profit from investment is a way to practice the skills and knowledge we have. the more we are often in a situation like this, the better the abilities and experience we have.
Yeah of course, at first I only hodled for a while, then I decided to "play" a little to see how trading was: I made some money, I lost some, at the end I was even but I understood more about the way it works. If someone tries to trade for the first time with small quantities I don't see the problem.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: annango on April 22, 2019, 03:17:17 PM
Ig you are a trader then you already know that Bitcoin is good for long-term investment and that is why Bitcoin holders still adopt Bitcoin for the future.
A trader doesnt care about the price. He trades bitcoin at 20k and he trades bitcoin at 1k. All that matters to you as a trader is how many percent of your stack did you win or lose with your trade!
As long as traders can get the profit, then he will do the same things over and over.
The future of hold will be bright because all cryptocurrency has potential to increase in the future. But that is only for the coin that really has the power to survive for a long time, and not many of them can do that.
The hold itself will become another way for traders to sell only when the price increase higher and still hold and wait for the time to comes.
Yep, our human beings as a whole have a common features that we tend to follow something which can bring us benfet and vice versa, we tend to get rid of bad thing. Crypto is kind of developed and popular in these days, especially bitcoin shows a big potential and promising coin in crypto industry, so i find no reason to ignore the case of HODL. Besides, bitcoin is gonna bounce back gradually, it's increasing consecutively every single day which is a sign of bull run. Bitcoin's value is great, hodl and wait are both reasonable choice.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: soulripper on April 22, 2019, 03:35:51 PM
Ig you are a trader then you already know that Bitcoin is good for long-term investment and that is why Bitcoin holders still adopt Bitcoin for the future.
A trader doesnt care about the price. He trades bitcoin at 20k and he trades bitcoin at 1k. All that matters to you as a trader is how many percent of your stack did you win or lose with your trade!
As long as traders can get the profit, then he will do the same things over and over.
The future of hold will be bright because all cryptocurrency has potential to increase in the future. But that is only for the coin that really has the power to survive for a long time, and not many of them can do that.
The hold itself will become another way for traders to sell only when the price increase higher and still hold and wait for the time to comes.
Yep, our human beings as a whole have a common features that we tend to follow something which can bring us benfet and vice versa, we tend to get rid of bad thing. Crypto is kind of developed and popular in these days, especially bitcoin shows a big potential and promising coin in crypto industry, so i find no reason to ignore the case of HODL. Besides, bitcoin is gonna bounce back gradually, it's increasing consecutively every single day which is a sign of bull run. Bitcoin's value is great, hodl and wait are both reasonable choice.
Bitcoin has being call the mother of all coins out there for a reason. You cannot ignore to hodl bitcoin as we all can see bitcoin pass and every challenge for 10 years now bitcoin has not losing at all. It might being drop for the last year but in this year we can started to see bitcoin price are growing back which i think a bull sign. So keep on hodl bitcoin and keep on gather it more.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Bardman on April 22, 2019, 04:26:59 PM
The whole "altcoin" thing is just a big clusterfuck. I wish I NEVER touched any altcoins. It just makes your taxes basically IMPOSSIBLE to fill after you get involved. The damn coins die so you cannot access your wallet.dat anymore as the blockchains don't sync, the exchanges die and you lose trading history (in case that you didn't save it which is most likely the case). It's just a big fuck up. Im getting rid of any alts I still have, or maybe not even that, I will just let them rot, they have only given me headaches. If you try to convert any BTC to fiat, you are going to see a nightmare of impossible-to-fill taxes.

Or just don't report any taxes in this specific case. Seriously, if you try to do the good thing but don't have any documents, screenshots, spreadsheets, etc, you're basically fucked.

The government doesn't care about how much of a brave citizen you try to be by reporting your taxes in all honesty, they are out to extort you till they have what they (very wrongly) think you owe them. My motto is; what the government doesn't know can't hurt you, financially or physically. We are a bunch of criminals and tax evaders from their perspective, so we can only do wrong.  :-\

As for the altcoins you still have, wait for the next bull run and convert them to BTC, that's the smartest thing to do. I do that too with the wide variety of shit forks that I still haven't claimed. Even the worst possible shit coins pump hard against their BTC pair, so there isn't much to lose here.

Ehh depends on the country, personally in Spain I reported my gains in crypto last year and they were quite ''generous'' to overlook a lot of transactions and other evidence that I didn't have. In fact I almost only needed to provide the exchanges trades and a few screenshots here and there since bitcoin is still not fully regulated here. Problem is that if you keep evading taxes they will bite you in the ass one day, specially if you are planning to make a substantial amount of money through cryptos, you will eventually want to buy a house a car, etc, how are you going to do it?

Even if you manage to withdraw the money without them knowing, how are you going to hide your house/car? Are you going to buy them illegally somehow? I think it's just too much trouble. If you are making really small gains then sure, don't pay taxes but if you are making a living with cryptos or more, you should pay them.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Kaller on April 22, 2019, 04:35:31 PM
The whole "altcoin" thing is just a big clusterfuck. I wish I NEVER touched any altcoins. It just makes your taxes basically IMPOSSIBLE to fill after you get involved. The damn coins die so you cannot access your wallet.dat anymore as the blockchains don't sync, the exchanges die and you lose trading history (in case that you didn't save it which is most likely the case). It's just a big fuck up. Im getting rid of any alts I still have, or maybe not even that, I will just let them rot, they have only given me headaches. If you try to convert any BTC to fiat, you are going to see a nightmare of impossible-to-fill taxes.

Or just don't report any taxes in this specific case. Seriously, if you try to do the good thing but don't have any documents, screenshots, spreadsheets, etc, you're basically fucked.

The government doesn't care about how much of a brave citizen you try to be by reporting your taxes in all honesty, they are out to extort you till they have what they (very wrongly) think you owe them. My motto is; what the government doesn't know can't hurt you, financially or physically. We are a bunch of criminals and tax evaders from their perspective, so we can only do wrong.  :-\

As for the altcoins you still have, wait for the next bull run and convert them to BTC, that's the smartest thing to do. I do that too with the wide variety of shit forks that I still haven't claimed. Even the worst possible shit coins pump hard against their BTC pair, so there isn't much to lose here.

Ehh depends on the country, personally in Spain I reported my gains in crypto last year and they were quite ''generous'' to overlook a lot of transactions and other evidence that I didn't have. In fact I almost only needed to provide the exchanges trades and a few screenshots here and there since bitcoin is still not fully regulated here. Problem is that if you keep evading taxes they will bite you in the ass one day, specially if you are planning to make a substantial amount of money through cryptos, you will eventually want to buy a house a car, etc, how are you going to do it?

There are only two things unavoidable in life... death and taxes. xD


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: snakey on April 22, 2019, 04:36:58 PM
Why everyone is too specific about the Hodl, think of HODL as a investment oppurtunity. Will you ever question on your investment?? No never...so why you keep questioning and doubting the Hodl gang?


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: mdzahed134 on April 22, 2019, 05:36:45 PM
Ig you are a trader then you already know that Bitcoin is good for long-term investment and that is why Bitcoin holders still adopt Bitcoin for the future.
A trader doesnt care about the price. He trades bitcoin at 20k and he trades bitcoin at 1k. All that matters to you as a trader is how many percent of your stack did you win or lose with your trade!
I think market condition is main fact for every trader who is newbie or professional trader. Because if suddenly market going to huge falling down when trader try to panic selling to recover loss. Even many traders stopped the trade for certain time. Safe zone and risk zone both of involved in trading you agree with it or not.                 


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: beliomir on April 22, 2019, 06:29:25 PM
Hodl is a good strategy in the long run, from 3 years. I believe that it is necessary to look at how projects develop and buy those tokens that in the long term will give a good profit


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: aliceHortrex on April 22, 2019, 07:03:11 PM
As for me, holding is very profitable.  Especially if it is a strong and progressive coin.  Which is growing steadily.  I think those who often hold it up very well.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Chikitita2004 on April 22, 2019, 07:08:23 PM
I think people who earn bitcoin would never doubt about it and its future. Some of them have the mentality of buying more as long as they can since it's good for a long term investment. We are all aiming for the continuous adoption of bitcoin since that will bring a massive development and has a positive outcome for holders as well. Everyone wants financial freedom and that's the main reason why a lot of believers are holding more bitcoin.
Same here, I don’t consider bitcoin to be an ordinary or daily currency to buy and pay something with, I regard it as an asset which give me a better return in the right time, than could give me financial freedom if I know how to use it properly. I will hold for as long as possible until I reach my goal.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Ale88 on April 22, 2019, 07:33:59 PM
Ehh depends on the country, personally in Spain I reported my gains in crypto last year and they were quite ''generous'' to overlook a lot of transactions and other evidence that I didn't have. In fact I almost only needed to provide the exchanges trades and a few screenshots here and there since bitcoin is still not fully regulated here. Problem is that if you keep evading taxes they will bite you in the ass one day, specially if you are planning to make a substantial amount of money through cryptos, you will eventually want to buy a house a car, etc, how are you going to do it?
Does Spain have a clear tax system for cryptos?


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Slow death on April 22, 2019, 08:25:18 PM
The problem is that the big part of cryptoadopters are some kind of "investors", "traders", profit-hunters. It has nothing to do with BITCOIN. So they can go ahead and invest in BNB and whichever else BaNkCoin. Thats the shortest way to devaluate and eliminate BTC.

there are more than 2000 altcoins https://coinmarketcap.com/all/views/all

and even with this large amount of altcoins, bitcoin still has a great dominance, so I ask myself:

What is your problem with BNB and Binance?

Why are you using bitcoin to achieve BNB?

there is space for all altcoins, and we do not have to create unnecessary wars

BTC is NOT about that. Its for FREEDOM (dont read financial-freedom), and if its not so important for You, go ahead and "invest" in BNB. Next we can see how some customers are banned just because they tweeted something "wrong" about some big player, or some wallets become blocked just because the owned run an website named crypto-leaks with very unpleasure information about the big players..

I believe you are talking about the case of faketoshi and his altcoin, but it was a necessary measure and we have nothing to worry about

#deletecoinbase was a big thing, however very poor supported by the community. I hope we can wake up before to be too late. Be careful: DO NOT TRADE Your FREEDOM.

No one is selling their freedom, the exchanges are centralized services that must obey laws


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: hicaribou on April 23, 2019, 01:48:06 AM
The problem is that the big part of cryptoadopters are some kind of "investors", "traders", profit-hunters. It has nothing to do with BITCOIN. So they can go ahead and invest in BNB and whichever else BaNkCoin.
This is the problem that i see clearly these days. Most of the people who came into this cryptomarket are still not reach their financial security level yet and only looking for some earning in this field.
So they still dont have much time or any engouragement to think about that "FREEDOM" and support cryptocurrency for its actual use case.

What I thought is how people see this cryptocurrency has deviated from what it should be and people who are in this market currently are not people who are expected to come into this market and adopt the cryptocurrency. From people who should come and use their money here (people who are expected) to people who are looking for money here (now).


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: faceoff97 on April 28, 2019, 09:56:40 PM
I think we will have to compromise some of our Freedoms for the common good and to see Bitcoin and other Cryptocurrencies flourish. Unless the whole system of world governance is overhauled, we can't really see the rise of Bitcoin and long term HODL, as well as the mass utility of it unless we have some regulation and intervention. We want mass adoption and many people hodling Bitcoin but that will come at a price. We want total freedom, then we need first to get rid of the poor governance we have and that will take a long time. For now, though the HODL still applies and it's a long term one for many I believe.
Agree with you, there a lot of things to change when wanting to make Bitcoin adapted by the majority. I believe that there is going to be a regulation and intervention for us to be able to see the price becoming stable. But this is not really the of crypto, it should give us the total freedom from any third trusted party. Still prefer to hold since I believe that with or without intervention, the future of Bitcoin is great and bright.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: killat on April 29, 2019, 03:48:21 PM
It all depends on what you hold and what's your trading experience.

Sometimes is better just to hold and wait rather than risking uninspired trades.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: DarkIT on April 29, 2019, 04:20:40 PM
As for me, holding is very profitable.  Especially if it is a strong and progressive coin.  Which is growing steadily.  I think those who often hold it up very well.
well, I don't think this is certain. we don't know the potential of the coins that we hold, unless they really have great potential. however, I also chose to hold, because holding has a great potential to make prices higher, especially for coin coins that have good developers.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: QueenW on April 29, 2019, 10:52:52 PM
It all depends on what assets you hold. if these are coins from the top 10 or even 50, then I think you should not worry, they will soon make a profit. but less popular coins may not survive after such drops in the market.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Dreamchaser21 on April 29, 2019, 11:58:57 PM
As for me, holding is very profitable.  Especially if it is a strong and progressive coin.  Which is growing steadily.  I think those who often hold it up very well.
Only hold top coins so you can have more assurance to have profit. I don’t recommend to hold shitcoins because it will only bring stress to you especially in long term and there’s a possible for that coin to be gone. Holding is profitable until now, and best option for not an active trader.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: TimeBits on April 30, 2019, 12:03:36 AM
Unfortunately, there is a very small portion of the community that belongs to 'Do Not Trade Your Freedom' group. The majority doesn't care. Imagine this, Jack hears about bitcoins from his neighbor next door and keeps hearing things like bitcoin make people rich. Jack googles 'buy bitcoins' and he is convinced to buy it from coinbase or other 100 other shitty exchanges. All jack cares about is doubling his money.

It hurt me to say this but you are right, they are not even real player. They are NPC`S :( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-player_character It is hard to teach old dog new tricks. Some people can`t even form their own beliefs they just go with the flow :( Monkey see, Monkey do. The education system makes them this way.

To be honest most are just unaware of how fiat is made or even how bitcoin was made, over time they will get it, I just hope before it is to late.

I have the solutions here, if you want freedom. I am just not smart enough to make it work in the real world, I am bad at convincing people stuff.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5135915.0

another conversation that make sense
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5137469.0

DO NOT TRADE YOUR FREEDOM. GIVE THEM NOTHING!
OP I WOULD MERIT THE SHT OUT OF YOU IF I HAD ANY LEFT!

Feel free to use anything from my videos if you want on your channel/blogs I will not copyright strike anything.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: jimskiy on April 30, 2019, 12:35:47 AM
Hold of altcoin asset have light of the future because we are waiting the best moment where many people invest money in bitcoin and altcoin, make bitcoin could raised back to higher price and have much profit for us.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Thermytee on April 30, 2019, 01:13:25 AM
There's no denying the fact that bitcoin will rise higher in the nearest future so while some HODL others just sell anytime. Of course most traders still have large volumes of BTC being traded and stored.while others have other valuable coins which too is stable and presently in profit. Major coins will continue to HODL


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: rijaljun on April 30, 2019, 01:24:57 AM
Do you mean long-term HODLer? I'm pretty sure they will not bother themselves to find or do any research about the current situation. They will simply think "I trust this, this is the biggest investment opportunity, this would give me much profit in the future and make me rich!". This kind of simple think makes them don't really afraid of condition like market crash, FUD, or anything bad. Also, they are the most understand people to only invest in what they can afford to lose. They are warrior!


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: jakezyrus on April 30, 2019, 01:37:31 AM
Do you mean long-term HODLer? I'm pretty sure they will not bother themselves to find or do any research about the current situation. They will simply think "I trust this, this is the biggest investment opportunity, this would give me much profit in the future and make me rich!". This kind of simple think makes them don't really afraid of condition like market crash, FUD, or anything bad. Also, they are the most understand people to only invest in what they can afford to lose. They are warrior!

well id say not all of them  . not all hodlers are warrior (as what you said )   but some of them are only hodler wannabe . dont want to be outdated , the want to be on trend and that is the reason why they buy/invest on cryptos  but the only problem is that when they see a un-usual decrease they began to panic resulting for them to sell their coins  . while for us that are die hard hodlers ,  we are the real warriors . we can ensure that we have a good future as long as we hodl good coins  .


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: blockchainwriters on April 30, 2019, 08:54:50 AM
in my view holding coins for long term may nt be so profitable looking at present market condition we can hold for short term and sell when the coin is pumping


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: dmty.0809 on April 30, 2019, 03:33:50 PM
Bitcoin always experiences a surge in prices in the months leading up to halving. The next Bitcoin halving is scheduled to take place in May 2020. No wonder the price of bitcoin will increase. So we just wait until after halving Bitcoin.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: gendang_cinta on April 30, 2019, 04:39:43 PM
Bitcoin always experiences a surge in prices in the months leading up to halving. The next Bitcoin halving is scheduled to take place in May 2020. No wonder the price of bitcoin will increase. So we just wait until after halving Bitcoin.
we will know the actual results later, but if we talk about Bitcoin it is very possible because Bitcoin is a real coin.
Bitcoin is the king of crypto and is a coin with a very large community that allows Bitcoin to continue to grow.
I am sure if Bitcoin will repeat its glory like the end of 2017.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: b3llsf1l3s on April 30, 2019, 04:55:29 PM
On these days, the future of HODL is very good because hodl for now is the best way to do for waiting the increase and the comeback of the of the real market who have the very high demand of bitcoin and also the high price of the market.

Well, for me for the time being we have to adjust the market conditions because for now, HODL is not always profitable, even for the long term and the market is still too volatile, scalping may be more suitable than hold, even though the risk is greater.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Dr.Osh on April 30, 2019, 05:08:49 PM
Bitcoin always experiences a surge in prices in the months leading up to halving. The next Bitcoin halving is scheduled to take place in May 2020. No wonder the price of bitcoin will increase. So we just wait until after halving Bitcoin.
well, halving brings big changes in prices, and allows prices to be higher. it still takes a long time to reach 2020, but I think this is a good opportunity in the matter of holding back the assets we have, especially bitcoin and eth.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Malsetid on May 01, 2019, 10:11:14 AM
Bitcoin always experiences a surge in prices in the months leading up to halving. The next Bitcoin halving is scheduled to take place in May 2020. No wonder the price of bitcoin will increase. So we just wait until after halving Bitcoin.
well, halving brings big changes in prices, and allows prices to be higher. it still takes a long time to reach 2020, but I think this is a good opportunity in the matter of holding back the assets we have, especially bitcoin and eth.

With still a year to go before the next halving, btc price could still go low. People will prepare for that probably 6 months before it happens to the last quarter of this year may be very different from the disastrous last quarter we had last year. Not a lot of people are expecting 2019 to be a breakout year anyway but a transitional year.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: SSend3r on May 01, 2019, 10:15:47 AM
There is no future if hodl )


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: AjithBtc on May 01, 2019, 10:19:59 AM
Bitcoin always experiences a surge in prices in the months leading up to halving. The next Bitcoin halving is scheduled to take place in May 2020. No wonder the price of bitcoin will increase. So we just wait until after halving Bitcoin.
well, halving brings big changes in prices, and allows prices to be higher. it still takes a long time to reach 2020, but I think this is a good opportunity in the matter of holding back the assets we have, especially bitcoin and eth.

With still a year to go before the next halving, btc price could still go low. People will prepare for that probably 6 months before it happens to the last quarter of this year may be very different from the disastrous last quarter we had last year. Not a lot of people are expecting 2019 to be a breakout year anyway but a transitional year.
2019 is truly a transition year for bitcoin as well rest of the cryptocurrencies. People are much into expectation about the market, but some form of price fluctuation is taking place which could take the price reach high or low in no time. As the halving is scheduled for the upcoming year, can expect good growth, and in this regard it is always good to hodl.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: zee11225 on May 15, 2019, 09:33:28 AM
Bitcoin always experiences a surge in prices in the months leading up to halving. The next Bitcoin halving is scheduled to take place in May 2020. No wonder the price of bitcoin will increase. So we just wait until after halving Bitcoin.
Bitcoin investment must be able to predict how high the increase in bitcoin, all must be realistic because the decision for HODL will risk the cessation of capital that should be played in daily trading or short-term investment.
In my opinion, HODL must be supported by strong capital, high patience, can withstand the pressure of price fluctuations, and proper analysis so that at certain prices must be executed.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: john_nautica on May 15, 2019, 09:44:15 AM
the future of hol depends on what coins we hold, if we hold potential coins I think this will be one of the good coins to hold in the future. so I think this is a good opportunity


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Nnuego on June 30, 2019, 05:16:13 AM
Hodling has always been the key word to every bitcoin token holder. Bitcoin requires patient and time been to see it mature financially. I have been burned severally to make it out of bitcoin,financially


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: partysaurus on June 30, 2019, 10:21:13 AM
Bitcoin always experiences a surge in prices in the months leading up to halving. The next Bitcoin halving is scheduled to take place in May 2020. No wonder the price of bitcoin will increase. So we just wait until after halving Bitcoin.

yes last time it boosted the price like crazy and alot of new investors flocked to btc, hope its the same thing this time im betting on it that it is, so trying to grow my stack until then.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: xWolfx on June 30, 2019, 12:51:26 PM
Unfortunately, there is a very small portion of the community that belongs to 'Do Not Trade Your Freedom' group. The majority doesn't care. Imagine this, Jack hears about bitcoins from his neighbor next door and keeps hearing things like bitcoin make people rich. Jack googles 'buy bitcoins' and he is convinced to buy it from coinbase or other 100 other shitty exchanges. All jack cares about is doubling his money.

This is truth. However, something i notice is that people is guided by the absolute truth mindset. Why not both?

It's pretty simple, the vast majority won't give a **** about how the information is handled, the inner workings of Bitcoin and Blockchain and even less at a deeper level, they only want to do transactions easily and waste their time consuming, that is the truth of today's society, right?

Ok, now the alternative should always exists for those who do care about it and wants to stick to the ideals Satoshi believed in. They could even form organizations and have a voice, but expect to be a minority. If they agree with those conditions they won't have any issues or too many of them.

Two paths should always exist at least.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: XCANA on June 30, 2019, 01:16:18 PM
"The future looks bright" as they all say. I really don't care about those centralized coins like BNB that has been taking a hype now. HODLers of bitcoin will have a great future when they stick around with bitcoin. They could keep some altcoins but never trust a centralized coin.
Basically, there are still centralized coins or tokens that are still good for HODL even though the decentralized coins still remains the most profitable coins. Hodlers are the most profitable individuals in the world of cryptocurrency. Have kin into Hodl since 2018 and had made many profits with my hodling and will say, this is the best.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: miropp on June 30, 2019, 10:19:58 PM
I don't think there's any big problem with that. Yes, someone thinks of a coin exchange, such as BNB, is a very promising and successful. It is gaining popularity and it is true. But look at bitcoin. It still shows its power and people keep buying it. Nothing happened to him.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: killat on July 01, 2019, 06:11:52 AM
If you are not interested in a quick profit,  then you should hold your Btc for at least 2-3 years.

To be on the safe side, I would cash out initial investment and a bit of extra profit and keep the rest.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: puertorikosena on July 01, 2019, 05:05:54 PM
Unfortunately, the idea of ​​Bitcoin was destroyed by simple speculations on the cryptocurrency courses. People are primarily interested in profits, not decentralization and changes in the global economy. Bitcoin investments will be relevant as long as the bubble is pumped up.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: bright4mech on July 01, 2019, 07:36:55 PM
We are in the world of technology, which deals with digital asset, hence, cryptocurrency is the number one, and also has a future used in time coming, therefore, every alt-coin has a potential and duration of having values as it stated at early stage on road map, which i prefer HODL. 


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Vaculin on July 01, 2019, 11:35:45 PM
We are in the world of technology, which deals with digital asset, hence, cryptocurrency is the number one, and also has a future used in time coming, therefore, every alt-coin has a potential and duration of having values as it stated at early stage on road map, which i prefer HODL. 
Have to look at this market will keep rallying positively in the future. Thus, it only needs time and we don't need to be rush. The market will develop in perfect time and that's we even don't know when it is. It comes surprisingly and makes us feel excited all the time.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: dimox on July 03, 2019, 11:47:03 AM
hold just for people that much money. if your fund is no problem with holding many bitcoin, i think its good. now, people will run to multiple their money, and im sure they dont think about the price, as long as it can make big profit, they will do it. but some people will hold because the price still low and they cant do anything


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: traderethereum on July 11, 2019, 09:04:15 AM
hold just for people that much money. if your fund is no problem with holding many bitcoin, i think its good. now, people will run to multiple their money, and im sure they dont think about the price, as long as it can make big profit, they will do it. but some people will hold because the price still low and they cant do anything
Holding much bitcoin will be great for him as if bitcoin price can go to the higher price, he will make a big profit.
But if he is desperate to wait for the highest price of bitcoin, he can sell it right now, but that will prevent him from making a big profit.
The future of Hold will be good for anybody if they can be patient with what happens in the market.
It still worth to hold bitcoin and altcoin at the same time.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: zee11225 on July 11, 2019, 01:40:53 PM
Unfortunately, the idea of ​​Bitcoin was destroyed by simple speculations on the cryptocurrency courses. People are primarily interested in profits, not decentralization and changes in the global economy. Bitcoin investments will be relevant as long as the bubble is pumped up.

This is my personal opinion about HODL, which is a passive investment where only think of profits even though the timing is uncertain. They have large financial resources and are very safe because the money is not from debt.
Different from the characteristics of bitcoin traders who are always active in analyzing price movements to execute whether to sell or buy bitcoin. If the price goes up, they sell it even though it's a little profitable. When prices go down, traders buy them and immediately sell them back as fast as lightning when prices rise. That is a trader.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: ubay on July 11, 2019, 04:05:14 PM
hold just for people that much money. if your fund is no problem with holding many bitcoin, i think its good. now, people will run to multiple their money, and im sure they dont think about the price, as long as it can make big profit, they will do it. but some people will hold because the price still low and they cant do anything
Holding much bitcoin will be great for him as if bitcoin price can go to the higher price, he will make a big profit.
But if he is desperate to wait for the highest price of bitcoin, he can sell it right now, but that will prevent him from making a big profit.
The future of Hold will be good for anybody if they can be patient with what happens in the market.
It still worth to hold bitcoin and altcoin at the same time.

Holding bitcoin and altcoin together is good for long-term investment, but make sure that it doesn't disrupt your financial situation. Because if it interferes with your finances, later you will blame Bitcoin and Altcoin for what you hold.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Sihab76 on July 12, 2019, 03:25:03 AM
Nothing only bitcoin and ethereum I hold for future because I already have invested bitcoin and ethereum. So some major rankings altcoins are also perfect.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Ridwan Fauzi on July 12, 2019, 03:37:44 AM
hold just for people that much money. if your fund is no problem with holding many bitcoin, i think its good. now, people will run to multiple their money, and im sure they dont think about the price, as long as it can make big profit, they will do it. but some people will hold because the price still low and they cant do anything
In investment field the purpose is only profit, apart from someone who has a huge capital and small capital, these are not important. Holding coin for long term investment is not good also if he doesn't have a target, moreover when he invests in bitcoin which is know by most people with the volatile price.

How can you imagine when someone bought bitcoin at 2016 with $900 per one bitcoin and he hold until its price touch an ATH $20.000 but he couldn't sell because he has choosen for long term investment. These ways was not wrong actually but if he had a target when he bought bitcoin at $900 then he will sold it at an ATH and most possibilities he will bought again at the lower price.

Hold for long term investment must be accompanied with the profit that want. I guess for those people who choose long term investment and didn't set the target profit he is just a newcomer who doesn't know bitcoin and the character of investment place that he choosen.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: diahsw on July 16, 2019, 08:57:40 AM
These days we are about to make a very important decision in which way the cryptosphere will walk through. A sudden rise of a corporate owned coin(s) coincident with a clear sign from the same big corporation how it will threat with the crypto. And for me crypto is equal to bitcoin by nature.

I dont remeber where BNB was named "the next bitcoin", but it is a fact and it was much before the these days run. Its more than shocking, but the truth behind has its reasons. Are You ready for such a future?

Isnt it all that Satoshi was against to? Censorship, centralisation, absolute power in the hands of the big players (the banks from the ancient time).. I hate the shitforks, I can`t tolerate the faketoshi behavior, however the much bigger problem for me is the possibility acts of CENSORSHIP to play role in the cryptoworld. I dont think we should accept that.

Same time the same big player entered with its own coin and predictable it gained a huge power as well entered the possibility to reward its "followers" as recently Mithril.

Where we going? I dont see any significant diffenece between JPMorgan coin, any hypotetical governance coin and BNB. If we continue that way we can see how exchanes delist BITCOIN by reasons as "untrusted", non KYC or whatever. Dont they tend to devaluate it in order to get higher their own exchange-coins (aka BANK-COINS!), to CONTROL the market AND the CUSTOMERS as far as it can.

The problem is that the big part of cryptoadopters are some kind of "investors", "traders", profit-hunters. It has nothing to do with BITCOIN. So they can go ahead and invest in BNB and whichever else BaNkCoin. Thats the shortest way to devaluate and eliminate BTC. BTC is NOT about that. Its for FREEDOM (dont read financial-freedom), and if its not so important for You, go ahead and "invest" in BNB. Next we can see how some customers are banned just because they tweeted something "wrong" about some big player, or some wallets become blocked just because the owned run an website named crypto-leaks with very unpleasure information about the big players..

#deletecoinbase was a big thing, however very poor supported by the community. I hope we can wake up before to be too late. Be careful: DO NOT TRADE Your FREEDOM.



Cardano has also announced several projects that are expected to increase coins further, such as resolving scalability problems.
The main goal here is to provide simple and inexpensive financial solutions for billions of people around the world, who are considered to have no banks. The most promising solution is to approve parallel chain agreements and sharding concepts.
If this goal is achieved, Cardano will receive more attention, which will have a positive impact on prices, and will ask his representative from third generation crypto.
In addition, these coins have also appeared in the list of potential candidates for Coinbase listings. If you move to decide to add ADA to the top, of course it will have an impact on Cardano's position, because the coins will increase a lot of use.
In addition, ADA has become an asset that can be offered on many well-known and trusted platforms, such as HitBTC, UPbit, Huobi, eToro, Bithumb, and is expected to also arrive at Cryptopia.
It should be noted that Cardano is a coin with a relatively stable price. It calculates lower volatility of cryptocurrency that is not categorized as a stable coin. One of the reasons for the low price is the large supply that is issued, which is currently increasing by almost 26 billion coins, and the total supply is 31.1 billion units. For all these reasons, and many more, many experts expect Cardano to be one of the coins that will survive the drop in altcoin prices, both now and in the future. And, the storm compilation blows, the remaining coins will find their identity in more favorable conditions, which will make it easier for them to grow and develop well


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Vaskiy on July 16, 2019, 09:12:20 AM
Cryptocurrency is for all, and here the one with the knowledge to pick the right asset for long term holding gets the best out of the investment. It is quite hard to find the one with the potential to grow much high.

Every user can hold based on his potential as we've got assets ranging from small value to big with each having its growth taking place with specific time interval.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: traderethereum on July 16, 2019, 09:26:35 AM
hold just for people that much money. if your fund is no problem with holding many bitcoin, i think its good. now, people will run to multiple their money, and im sure they dont think about the price, as long as it can make big profit, they will do it. but some people will hold because the price still low and they cant do anything
Holding much bitcoin will be great for him as if bitcoin price can go to the higher price, he will make a big profit.
But if he is desperate to wait for the highest price of bitcoin, he can sell it right now, but that will prevent him from making a big profit.
The future of Hold will be good for anybody if they can be patient with what happens in the market.
It still worth to hold bitcoin and altcoin at the same time.

Holding bitcoin and altcoin together is good for long-term investment, but make sure that it doesn't disrupt your financial situation. Because if it interferes with your finances, later you will blame Bitcoin and Altcoin for what you hold.

I always suggest to my friend to don't use their monthly expenses to buy bitcoin or altcoin and only use the free money they have.
If they can do that, I am sure that they will have additional income from cryptocurrency and I see some of them already do that.
Although not many of them do that, at least, they can get make more money, and they can have an investment for a long-term.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Upgate on July 16, 2019, 10:06:08 AM
People are been advice to buy and hodl cryptocurrency. Who knows what the future holds for each and everyone of us.
Crypto will be booming in 2020 while worlds economies will be in deep hole. Which will be bad for humanity but cryptocurrency will forever booming. That's why its advice for countries to accept cryptocurrency for their breakthrough


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Xalata on July 16, 2019, 11:18:05 AM
I bout Bitcoin at $11k, I'm not planning of doing any panic selling anytime soon. I'm holding till Bitcoin hits $20k before I will sell. I encourage all Bitcoin holders to hold their coins.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: imstillthebest on July 16, 2019, 11:25:22 AM
I bout Bitcoin at $11k, I'm not planning of doing any panic selling anytime soon. I'm holding till Bitcoin hits $20k before I will sell. I encourage all Bitcoin holders to hold their coins.
really ? thats nice mate  . i wish that all hodlers will have a mindset like you  . hodling bitcoin in a longer term is really beneficial because you can earn huge profits as when compare to short term investors  .  

there are a good future waiting for you and for those person that like you so dont ever under estimate the power of hodling  . dont judge the price , if the price seems stagnant or stuck for a long time because that is only normal . dont be discourage by this and other negativity that revolves around cryptos  .


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: killat on July 16, 2019, 04:00:18 PM
I think there are better options than just holding like forever.

Everyone should set his own expectations and to respect the thresholds when they have exceeded.  Otherwise,  by being greedy tou can lose a lot of opportunities for both buying and selling.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Glutius on July 16, 2019, 09:06:08 PM
What can we talk about here, if today the us authorities and bankers are actively destroying the Libra cryptocurrency, which Mark Zuckerberg wants to release. Is it normal to do what should be decentralisation? No!


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: zee11225 on July 18, 2019, 12:23:31 PM
I have always emphasize on the HODL because it worked for me backed in the year 2017, when I joined the cryptocurrency community, I started with Bounties and hold them till 2017 and they all pay off. Impatience can make a potential investor or investors run at lost, so, ensure you HODL.
I believe HODL is the safest bitcoin investment strategy. But it must be supported by strong funding, because waiting for prices to rise as high as desired does not yet know when it will be reached.
 So if you use money from debt or take money from your daily needs you will not be able to HODL on target, because there will be anxiety if prices never rise as predicted.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: 94K on July 25, 2019, 11:09:26 PM
If you want to earn more profits then hold is the best option in addition to trading and other activities. I mostly hold.my coins in my portfolio just for the prices to rise before selling. I believe hold is the safest strategy in cryptocurrency investment.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: 42K on July 25, 2019, 11:38:34 PM
Cryptocurrency is very risky hence cannot be depended solely on that as a means of making money because its either you earn or lose profits but I think in the near future, hold is possible and necessary to make profits since you need to keep some coins in your portfolio until prices become better then sell for huge profits.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: brotherwood12 on July 26, 2019, 12:44:20 PM
HODL is not the best way to gain much Profit , but there a reason why HODL can be better than trading , like if someone cant always stay on the market HODL is the solution of that , its just need more analitycs about that coin and do it at one time for long or short term


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Kimonoe on July 26, 2019, 01:35:46 PM
Unlike any form of market change, hodl is good for long term profiting. Meanwhile while holding one should keep track of the market changes of the assets that are in the portfolio. Following the same will let the user gain some profit buying and selling if there is good growth in the assets we hold. This is way better than just holding.
if we already have a lot of knowledge, I think transacting every day will be better. that way we will get income every day. but that applies to those who have free time. for those who are busy with other jobs, certainly holding in the long run will be better, but we must buy coins that are truly potential



Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: diahsw on August 02, 2019, 04:07:07 PM
These days we are about to make a very important decision in which way the cryptosphere will walk through. A sudden rise of a corporate owned coin(s) coincident with a clear sign from the same big corporation how it will threat with the crypto. And for me crypto is equal to bitcoin by nature.

I dont remeber where BNB was named "the next bitcoin", but it is a fact and it was much before the these days run. Its more than shocking, but the truth behind has its reasons. Are You ready for such a future?

Isnt it all that Satoshi was against to? Censorship, centralisation, absolute power in the hands of the big players (the banks from the ancient time).. I hate the shitforks, I can`t tolerate the faketoshi behavior, however the much bigger problem for me is the possibility acts of CENSORSHIP to play role in the cryptoworld. I dont think we should accept that.

Same time the same big player entered with its own coin and predictable it gained a huge power as well entered the possibility to reward its "followers" as recently Mithril.

Where we going? I dont see any significant diffenece between JPMorgan coin, any hypotetical governance coin and BNB. If we continue that way we can see how exchanes delist BITCOIN by reasons as "untrusted", non KYC or whatever. Dont they tend to devaluate it in order to get higher their own exchange-coins (aka BANK-COINS!), to CONTROL the market AND the CUSTOMERS as far as it can.

The problem is that the big part of cryptoadopters are some kind of "investors", "traders", profit-hunters. It has nothing to do with BITCOIN. So they can go ahead and invest in BNB and whichever else BaNkCoin. Thats the shortest way to devaluate and eliminate BTC. BTC is NOT about that. Its for FREEDOM (dont read financial-freedom), and if its not so important for You, go ahead and "invest" in BNB. Next we can see how some customers are banned just because they tweeted something "wrong" about some big player, or some wallets become blocked just because the owned run an website named crypto-leaks with very unpleasure information about the big players..

#deletecoinbase was a big thing, however very poor supported by the community. I hope we can wake up before to be too late. Be careful: DO NOT TRADE Your FREEDOM.



This is the first crypto that has a market capitalization of under $ 1 billion, while this is something that can be easily changed at any time.
It is also often seen that many crypto fans compare Cardano's marketing strategy with TRON, which states that ADA is adopting the best strategy, while TRX and especially its founder, Justin Sun are often criticized for causing unnecessary sensations.
Cardano does not use such methods, because coins allow his actions to speak. It was created by Charles Hoskinson, who had previously worked on the development of several other coin projects, including Ethereum itself. Hoskinson has witnessed the development of several coins and has gathered the necessary insights about their shortcomings. Therefore, he and his development team need special attention when developing Cardano, with a focus on the quality of things that are launched. In addition, the development team consists of professionals and academics, who are familiar with the way cryptocurrency must use the best way.Cardano has also announced several projects that are expected to increase coins further, such as resolving scalability issues.The main goal here is to provide simple and inexpensive financial solutions for billions of people around the world, who are considered to have no banks. The most promising solution is to agree on parallel chain agreements and sharding concepts.
If this goal is achieved, Cardano will receive more attention, which will have a positive impact on prices, and will ask his representatives from third generation crypto. In addition, this coin has also appeared in the list of potential candidates for Coinbase listings. If the move decides to add ADA to the top, of course it will have an impact on Cardano's position, because coins will increase in use a lot.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: qwertyup23 on August 02, 2019, 04:54:53 PM
I have always emphasize on the HODL because it worked for me backed in the year 2017, when I joined the cryptocurrency community, I started with Bounties and hold them till 2017 and they all pay off. Impatience can make a potential investor or investors run at lost, so, ensure you HODL.

HODL may definitely work but it also requires some luck and strategy along the way. There are some people that I personally know that bought bitcoin back when its price reached $20,000 and they contend that it may reach sky-limit without doing any research. Unfortunately, they have suffered substantial amount of losses due to negligence and irresponsibility.

I personally view most of my cryptocurrencies as short-term investments so I could maximize their high volatility and sell them once I see a profit margin based from my initial investments.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Ridwan Fauzi on August 03, 2019, 02:53:55 AM
If you want to earn more profits then hold is the best option in addition to trading and other activities. I mostly hold.my coins in my portfolio just for the prices to rise before selling. I believe hold is the safest strategy in cryptocurrency investment.
Have you felt the result? Actually I'm not a holder cryptocurrency and I have an intend to start being a holder but I still wondering the result of it. Since when the bull run come in 2017 ago and the price of cryptocurrencies reach a peak price at that time but that was a short time because the price of them met a decreased price a lot.

What should be done by some holder when bitcoin (for an instance) price touch new ATH? Will you sell it or you will hold it until the price up again more than that? This question always haunt me when I tried to be a holder. So far I only choose short term investment and set the profit I want and I will sell it when it was achived.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Fredomago on August 03, 2019, 04:16:28 AM
I have always emphasize on the HODL because it worked for me backed in the year 2017, when I joined the cryptocurrency community, I started with Bounties and hold them till 2017 and they all pay off. Impatience can make a potential investor or investors run at lost, so, ensure you HODL.

HODL may definitely work but it also requires some luck and strategy along the way. There are some people that I personally know that bought bitcoin back when its price reached $20,000 and they contend that it may reach sky-limit without doing any research. Unfortunately, they have suffered substantial amount of losses due to negligence and irresponsibility.

I personally view most of my cryptocurrencies as short-term investments so I could maximize their high volatility and sell them once I see a profit margin based from my initial investments.
Learning from each events of scenarios inside the market will teach traders on what particular strategy to use while working with their assets, it can still be done if your timing is correct, if you bought bitcoin early this year then what you hold definitely gives you a good benefits by now, you can choose to keep holding for much higher benefits or you can sell it out and enjoy your profits.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: bryant.coleman on August 03, 2019, 04:30:16 AM
If you want to earn more profits then hold is the best option in addition to trading and other activities. I mostly hold.my coins in my portfolio just for the prices to rise before selling. I believe hold is the safest strategy in cryptocurrency investment.

At some point of time, you need to sell your coins so that you can cash out. Cryptocurrency is a digital asset, and in all probability it has a limited life span. In due course of time, it will be replaced with a better technology. This can happen within the next 10 years, 20 years or 100 years. In order to play safe, you need to sell small amount of coins at regular intervals. By doing that, you won't face complete losses if your coin becomes worthless all of a sudden, and you will be left with enough coins in your wallet if the coin undergoes a bull rally some time in the future.

Bitcoin, and a few of the altcoins such as ETH and BCH can be considered for medium-term and long-term investments. But I will never recommend such a strategy for the smaller altcoins. Their life span in most cases may be a few years at the most. In such cases, you need to identify the pump and dump cycles and do the profit booking close to the peak prices.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: bryant.coleman on August 03, 2019, 05:29:02 AM
Cryptocurrency is a digital asset, and in all probability it has a limited life span. In due course of time, it will be replaced with a better technology.
Crypto is a new technology and its not easily to be replaced . until now i have never any new technology aside from cryptos  . inside the crypto world there are many coins and devs create new coins from time to time and there is a posibility that other weaker coins can be replaced so you need to act fast and sell your coins if ever you hold any , before its too late .

I wasn't saying that Bitcoin will be "easily" replaced. Any technology that is capable of replacing Bitcoin will be a technological marvel and till now we haven't seen any signs of such an asset getting created. And it will be fundamentally different from Bitcoin, unlike the altcoins which are similar to Bitcoin in 99% of their characteristics.

The last time I checked coinmarketcap, over 2,400 coins were being listed there. A couple of months back, this number was around 2,000. So many new coins are being created every day, without any unique purpose or usage. Even then, these coins are able to mop up market capitalization in excess of $100 million. I don't understand the logic in holding such coins for long-term, like two or three years.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: fiulpro on August 03, 2019, 07:48:07 AM
I think it depends upon how much you are investing and how much you can risk.
Generally a person who actually invests more they don't do trading and go for the long run , I have seen people will small investments doing trading and encashing out aggressively to actually increase their money , those with the low investments one's but cannot actually drop the market value down.
There are some who actually just climb the bull when it up and then suddenly encashe when they are done.
They are a real threat for the market actually but anyways it's their choice .


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Janation on August 03, 2019, 08:15:16 AM
What is the future of crypto currency? As a newbie,  I really do not know if I should  adopt "hodl"

Hold for the moment.

As a newbie I can say that you do not know how market moves and the best thing now is to wait for the right time to sell. I do not know what HODL can give you in the future all I know is that you just either get a profit or not, that is just that two. The movement is getting better again so for now, better wait for the price to go down even a little bit before you invest.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: TheUltraElite on August 03, 2019, 08:24:56 AM
Generally a person who actually invests more they don't do trading and go for the long run ,
Not necessarily. There are big whales who trade and big whales who just hodl. It varies and is not absolute that the higher investor is likely to hold.

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I have seen people will small investments doing trading and encashing out aggressively to actually increase their money , those with the low investments one's but cannot actually drop the market value down.
Its a statement that is too biased. A person who is having a lower value investment is going to try to multiply it more rathe than trying to drop the market down.They know they would not be able to do that so they would rather sell at profit and buy back at dip.
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There are some who actually just climb the bull when it up and then suddenly encashe when they are done.
They are a real threat for the market actually but anyways it's their choice .
I dont think that that is a threat. It is what the market's normal correction pattern reads. Some people will sell at the top and cash out because they are ready to exit or buyback. Its a method to make money after all.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: killat on August 05, 2019, 05:00:21 AM
Holding tight your Btc now could bring you much more within the next years.

Some sceptical people call Btc a scam, which is totally wrong. Something worth over 10k but worthless is always a strange concept lol.

I guess we will see many large players moving in to BTC and how this effects adoption and pricing in the mid term. All i will say though is BTC IS 10 years old now and calling it a scam is nothing new, yet here we are and still going.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Hypnosis00 on August 05, 2019, 12:08:50 PM
For me, the future of holding bitcoin and another cryptocurrency is not that bright or brighter than ever no one can tell the future of bitcoin,  because bitcoin price is fluctuating and you can't know if it will become expensive in the next day, weeks, month or year so holder is taking a vast risk if bitcoin price will drop and vice versa if bitcoin become much expensive.  :)
Even that, but my trust will still remain. Bitcoin has a bright future more than enough of what it shows today. It starts at the very low but if we look at where it goes by now...we can certainly saying that Bitcoin will surely play in the market.
The importance of this coin is bringing into its peak and become valuable like no other crypto coins.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Periodik on August 06, 2019, 03:15:13 AM
The problem is that the big part of cryptoadopters are some kind of "investors", "traders", profit-hunters. It has nothing to do with BITCOIN.

You are particularly wrong on this. The general way of looking at cryptocurrency is that it is synonymous with Bitcoin. And if you throw your support to cryptocurrency, you are in effect throwing your support to Bitcoin more than anything else. If you have been doing some rounds here reading threads, you will feel that that the overall emotion is that they are building up their portfolio with Bitcoin having more than 50% dominance.

With this, the future of HODL is not only bright; it is getting stronger and stronger. The demand of Bitcoin is getting high and hard. Scarcity is growing every minute of the day.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: darewaller on August 06, 2019, 06:10:16 PM
Holding tight your Btc now could bring you much more within the next years.

Some sceptical people call Btc a scam, which is totally wrong. Something worth over 10k but worthless is always a strange concept lol.

I guess we will see many large players moving in to BTC and how this effects adoption and pricing in the mid term. All i will say though is BTC IS 10 years old now and calling it a scam is nothing new, yet here we are and still going.
I don’t think we still have anyone that would still think that BTC is a scam, anyone that still thinks Bitcoin is a scam, just lacks the full understanding of it and may need to really be sat down and explain the whole concept of it all over again, although when we have newbies, they might first think towards this direction first, but with time, they will come to realize that bitcoin system is one that has even come to liberate a lot of people from the burden of slow payment, high fee as a result of third party involvement and very other features of bitcoin.

The only people that can ever claim they have issue with bitcoin are those who has been a victim of hackers, or who has made wrong choice of investment, and that should only be the fault of the investor or coin holder.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: TheUltraElite on August 11, 2019, 10:25:09 AM
For me, the future of holding bitcoin and another cryptocurrency is not that bright or may be brighter than ever no one can tell the future of bitcoin,  because bitcoin price is fluctuating and you can't know if it will become expensive in the next day, weeks, month or year so holder is taking a vast risk if bitcoin price will drop and vice versa if bitcoin become much expensive.  :)
Is that not true for any other speculative market? I mean to say that any other altcoin would also be the same. But with bitcoin you know that the majority of market share is in. Moreover the support for bitcoin is there since long before altcoins came in existence. So you could have a decent investment in bitcoin and still see good returns if you give it enough time than what you would see in altcoins.

Heck altcoins mostly creted anew are either running out of funds or unable to list anywhere to be trade-able. That would never happen with bitcoin. In other words, its the less risky investment than altcoins


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: freedomgo on August 20, 2019, 07:12:17 AM
Bitcoin is the best to HODL now and in the future as well with rising price ratio. BTC has the ability to make you millionaire sooner or later.

Bitcoin prices fluctuate. I have seen many top ten coins fall by satoshi. Think of Ripple, it came from 0.00003500 to 0.00002580. This has reduced the value of the dollar also. Holding other coins with Bitcoin is likely to generate profit. Absolutely no coins to hold like as Bitcoin.

Every coin fluctuates in value, not only bitcoin, the only altcoins that does not fluctuate are those coins which are called stable coins.
Maybe it's the nature of coins with fix supply to fluctuate since there's always a changes of demand and supply and people loves to trade it, so it's not expected price will be stable.

If you hold for your future, you don't focus on the fluctuation as it does not matter, it's not a big factor, the big factor to consider is its potential in the future.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Burogh on August 20, 2019, 09:06:47 AM
The future of Hodling bitcoin in my opinion is good even though many large companies will publish their own cryptocurrency. Each company makes its own crystals for the benefit of its own customers, this is different from bitcoin that can be used by anyone. For example, Libra coins can only be used on the Facebook platform or JP Morgan coins only for their own customers


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: TheUltraElite on August 23, 2019, 07:34:38 AM
Bitcoin prices fluctuate. I have seen many top ten coins fall by satoshi. Think of Ripple, it came from 0.00003500 to 0.00002580. This has reduced the value of the dollar also. Holding other coins with Bitcoin is likely to generate profit. Absolutely no coins to hold like as Bitcoin.
The value of dollar did not reduce. The value of the cryptocurrencies reduced because people sold them against the dollar and because dollar has a fixed value. Ripple feel because of a lot of factors which is not worth discussing here. But honestly whatever be the reason seeing from a broader perspective only bitcoin has been doing good till date even when it went down to 5k at once time after 20k USD. This makes sense not to hold on to altcoins that talk about becoming the next banking system but keep the trust in bitcoin all throughout.

Newbies should take note of this and understand the real market of altcoins being very low compared to bitcoin.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: CBANX2 on August 23, 2019, 10:16:45 AM
There are very few people are there who believes in the power of HODL because trading is the best way to earn profit and keep yourself updated with crypto trends. But at the time of the bearish move, HODL is the way to play safe until it will not take off the bearish shrug.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Mpamaegbu on September 04, 2019, 01:09:49 PM
Unfortunately, there is a very small portion of the community that belongs to 'Do Not Trade Your Freedom' group. The majority doesn't care. Imagine this, Jack hears about bitcoins from his neighbor next door and keeps hearing things like bitcoin make people rich. Jack googles 'buy bitcoins' and he is convinced to buy it from coinbase or other 100 other shitty exchanges. All jack cares about is doubling his money.
But really, isn't this what people generally do in business? I mean, you put in money to make more money at the expense of whatever passion that may be in the business. I read a lot of people here say they aren't into Bitcoin for money/profit and I don't believe this to be absolute truth. Passion without finance won't see the light of the day.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: btc78 on September 04, 2019, 07:02:40 PM
HODL will always be depending on how and what is the capacity of holders and how they trust the coin they are holding

Actually I don’t care about what is today’s value or even the day after because what I care is the value 3 years from now and I believe that this must be the attitude of a holder

Not those type that claiming to be holders but always check the price in market capitalization .things that opposite to the real holder 👍😂


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Finestream on September 05, 2019, 07:48:44 AM
Holding is good in crypto but we should understand the importance of coin development only those coins we can expect growth 
Holding in crypto is good but still risky, you should invest on it if you have enough money to buy food.
You are here, you already know that there's a risk when you enter, regardless of your strategy on how you invested your money.

Holding for me has risk but it's the lesser risk as your strategy is very simple, you just buy at the right timing then hold at the right timing as well, therefore, if the market will recover or rise, that would give you an opportunity to sell, but there this depends on the amount of profit of your target, and as long as you are always ready to pull the trigger, you sure have a chance to profit from holding.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: Finestream on September 05, 2019, 10:56:12 AM
Holding is good in crypto but we should understand the importance of coin development only those coins we can expect growth 
Holding in crypto is good but still risky, you should invest on it if you have enough money to buy food.
You are here, you already know that there's a risk when you enter, regardless of your strategy on how you invested your money.

Holding for me has risk but it's the lesser risk as your strategy is very simple, you just buy at the right timing then hold at the right timing as well, therefore, if the market will recover or rise, that would give you an opportunity to sell, but there this depends on the amount of profit of your target, and as long as you are always ready to pull the trigger, you sure have a chance to profit from holding.
You are right, but the most problem is to buy in right time and to sell in right time.
That's not a problem if you know that the market is unpredictable, it's the nature of crypto when you are investing, there's no guarantee at all that you will be profitable in the end, all of us here are just playing the big guessing game, and we have no choice but to guess the right outcome so we will be successful. The success I am talking here is not an instant success, of course, you will also loss sometimes but what's important is you learn and improve until you become consistent on what you are doing.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: tungaqhd on September 05, 2019, 03:55:02 PM
My initial strategy of earning with bitcoin is long-term storage. Just the HODL. And despite all the instability of the market, I am sure that this is the best strategy. I believe in bitcoin.
Really ?, I'm not sure this is the right choice in such a difficult and turbulent time, although bitcoin may be good but you also see that the level of going up and down is always very abnormal, without the concept of increasing forever, a long-term hold only makes you passive in this market, sometimes at risk you don't know. And I don't think you like to have a future that depends solely on bitcoin, we should be the one who takes the initiative in managing and making money, short-term investments, choosing the right time and surfing will not be more backward and proactive in the future


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: jostorres on September 05, 2019, 05:00:54 PM
Holding is good in crypto but we should understand the importance of coin development only those coins we can expect growth 
The best coin to rely on for holding right now is bitcoin as number one and some altcoins that has a very high rake on exchanges and coinmarketcap. Holding is a very risky investment also because no one can really tell the future of the coin, one thing about holding is that sometimes, you refuse to take profit at the point when you are supposed to take profit, and if care is not taking, you watch that profit slip off your finger for the rest of your life when you invest in coins that does not have potential.

This was exactly what made me lose $20000 during the last altcoins season, it was my first time, most of the altcoins I worked for then grew to that extent and I still kept holding believing that there would be future until most of them disappeared and the value become extremely too low now.,


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: AjithBtc on September 05, 2019, 05:33:38 PM
With cryptocurrency you can go back to the history and understand how bitcoin holders have profited out of keeping it safe without spending for a longer time period. From my experience I missed the opportunity believing it'll grow, but it happened after years.

Very few get opportunity to keep hold, my mind suggested to hold but the need of money made me cash out. Now I don't have any big holdings. It is true that holding benefits, but we need to be careful to analyze and know the market better. This will help us get in and get out at the right time without missing the opportunity.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: liivii on September 06, 2019, 01:58:26 AM
Holding is good in crypto but we should understand the importance of coin development only those coins we can expect growth  

True if all will only hodl, then there will be no movement in the price so this tactic does not always work
Not everyone will do holding, assuming all investors do holding is funny thing. Withholding is a good thing but with provided you invest in a coin that has a good development and potential. in the future holding will be a preferred method because it does not require special strategies and skills.

That's right, you need to focus on determining what coins will have a bright future and not only just invest on some shitty coins out there. So if your plan is to hodl then you must need more knowledge and if ever that coin future becomes like bitcoin then you will see the fruit of all of your hard work. I myself is hodl right now with some coins together with bitcoin and hoping that one day all my sacrifices will be paid off.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: jakoylantern on September 06, 2019, 04:40:53 AM
With cryptocurrency you can go back to the history and understand how bitcoin holders have profited out of keeping it safe without spending for a longer time period. From my experience I missed the opportunity believing it'll grow, but it happened after years.

Very few get opportunity to keep hold, my mind suggested to hold but the need of money made me cash out. Now I don't have any big holdings. It is true that holding benefits, but we need to be careful to analyze and know the market better. This will help us get in and get out at the right time without missing the opportunity.
Yes, knowing the history of bitcoin will make people understand that bitcoin's value skyrocket and if you have a massive volume of bitcoin in the early years, I'm sure that you have the huge profit when bitcoin's price reach at $19,780 if you sell most of your stocks. That's the benefit if you HODL your bitcoin and sell it to your profitable amount. But some people can't hold to much stock because they sell it, especially on the time that they need money. But if you don't need the cash holding bitcoin is still a good idea. :)


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: killat on September 06, 2019, 06:07:25 AM
I think people just get scared because of the unknown and they aren’t in crypto for the long run, mostly in it for the short term chance of catching a huge price increase.

When crypto will take advantage of mass adoption the volatility and speculation will decrease significantly.


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: shoreno on September 06, 2019, 07:00:30 AM
whats the future of hodling ?  the question is too general and not specific .  there are alot of coin on the crypto space   . if you only hodl a btc then the future of hodling it is bright but when you hodl other coins ( the ones that are not on the mainsteam ) then i think thier future is verry unpredictable  . speaking of the future , its a nice idea if we will start to save up btc as early as possible so that we can secure our future or to give our family a bright future  .


Title: Re: What the future HODL?
Post by: slaman29 on September 06, 2019, 09:50:44 AM
Future of hodling has always been the same. Self described and self defined. Hodling means keeping on for the future. And in general, you stop being a hodler as soon as you sell. If you buy low and sell high, you're a regular trader, NOT a hodler.

Satoshi is the biggest hodler of them all. He's never letting go;)