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Title: Trust Sytem or trusted member list Must Be Removed?
Post by: olcaytu2005 on May 01, 2019, 08:49:53 PM
 Everyone sees that there is a trusted members gang in this forum. They are not trusted. One of them(Lauda) is a thief and abuse trust system with her puppets like malbroza, suchmoon etc. etc. they have hundreds of alt accounts. In this world, no one is trusted.


They just attack whoever they want. Abusing everything. They have trust power and they suppose they are the owner of bitcointalk.

Let's talk.


Trust System must be removed?? or maybe trusted member list must be removed?? everyone should choose their trusted member list?


Title: Re: Trust Sytem Must Be Removed
Post by: The Pharmacist on May 01, 2019, 08:59:06 PM
One of them(Lauda) is a thief and abuse trust system with her puppets like malbroza, suchmoon etc. etc. they have hundreds of alt accounts.
Let's assume your accusations against Lauda are true.  He/she is one member in a huge list of DT members, and you're painting them all with the same brush.  Second, there's no evidence to suggest Lauda has any "puppets", which I take to mean alt accounts.  Marlboroza and suchmoon are not puppets of Lauda as far as I know.  Never seen any proof of that.

Sounds like you're unhappy with the forum.  Instead of trying to tear down the only mechanism by which we can keep scammers and various other undesirables at bay, why don't you go find another forum where there isn't so much drama.  Bitcointalk doesn't seem like it's serving your needs.


Title: Re: Trust Sytem Must Be Removed
Post by: olcaytu2005 on May 01, 2019, 09:02:21 PM
One of them(Lauda) is a thief and abuse trust system with her puppets like malbroza, suchmoon etc. etc. they have hundreds of alt accounts.
Let's assume your accusations against Lauda are true.  He/she is one member in a huge list of DT members, and you're painting them all with the same brush.  Second, there's no evidence to suggest Lauda has any "puppets", which I take to mean alt accounts.  Marlboroza and suchmoon are not puppets of Lauda as far as I know.  Never seen any proof of that.

Sounds like you're unhappy with the forum.  Instead of trying to tear down the only mechanism by which we can keep scammers and various other undesirables at bay, why don't you go find another forum where there isn't so much drama.  Bitcointalk doesn't seem like it's serving your needs.


You can check any negative trust give by Lauda and after that you ll see malboroza sucmoon etc. isnt it proof?

I dont use bitcointalk for 1 year I don't care negative trust. Never. Bu there is a gang here and they think they are the owner of the forum. Theymos do nothing. He just sits back. Forum manages by the gangs.


Title: Re: Trust Sytem Must Be Removed
Post by: bones261 on May 01, 2019, 09:05:33 PM
The original reason that the trust system(originally a scammer tag) went into place was because Theymos was getting requests from people to ban "scammers."
edit: who determines this?

Administrators.

It would be awesome to make the scammer mark invisible to the scammer so they keep on longer than optimal with the same account.

The idea is to give them an opportunity to defend themselves or make things right. I have removed the status a couple of times after the users paid back their victims.

I instituted this system because people were pressuring me a lot to ban scammers, which I was unwilling to do. I do not want to be the final arbiter in these matters. So I created this status to warn potential victims without preventing the scammer from defending himself.

People marked as scammers are also unable to delete/edit any of their posts or modify their profiles, and their IP addresses are banned from creating new accounts.

Since Theymos does not really want to be put in a position to investigate every scammer, we now have the trust system. Anyone can participate, as you know. Also, the current trust system is less stringent because a "scammer" can now delete/edit posts and create new accounts. Would you prefer that we just have a system where administrators ban "scammer" accounts? Or do you just want to remove the trust system and let scammers be free to find new victims?


Title: Re: Trust Sytem Must Be Removed
Post by: olcaytu2005 on May 01, 2019, 09:09:53 PM
The original reason that the trust system(originally a scammer tag) went into place was because Theymos was getting requests from people to ban "scammers."
edit: who determines this?

Administrators.

It would be awesome to make the scammer mark invisible to the scammer so they keep on longer than optimal with the same account.

The idea is to give them an opportunity to defend themselves or make things right. I have removed the status a couple of times after the users paid back their victims.

I instituted this system because people were pressuring me a lot to ban scammers, which I was unwilling to do. I do not want to be the final arbiter in these matters. So I created this status to warn potential victims without preventing the scammer from defending himself.

People marked as scammers are also unable to delete/edit any of their posts or modify their profiles, and their IP addresses are banned from creating new accounts.

Since Theymos does not really want to be put in a position to investigate every scammer, we now have the trust system. Anyone can participate, as you know. Also, the current trust system is less stringent because a "scammer" can now delete/edit posts and create new accounts. Would you prefer that we just have a system where administrators ban "scammer" accounts? Or do you just want to remove the trust system and let scammers be free to find new victims?


Trust system is nothing. I am here for 5 years. You can give negative trust one of a scammer then he creates a new account and scam anyone. Easy. Trust system is just for trusted members gang


Title: Re: Trust Sytem Must Be Removed
Post by: TryNinja on May 01, 2019, 09:11:22 PM
Trust system is nothing. I am here for 5 years. You can give negative trust one of a scammer then he creates a new account and scam anyone. Easy. Trust system is just for trusted members gang
Except that most people don't trust a just recently registered user. They may trust a Sr. Member/Legendary, however.

That's why neg trusting him (in case it's needed) is important. Bam, now he needs 775+ activity and 1000 merits in his new account to get as many "reputation" as he had.


Title: Re: Trust Sytem Must Be Removed
Post by: olcaytu2005 on May 01, 2019, 09:13:47 PM
Trust system is nothing. I am here for 5 years. You can give negative trust one of a scammer then he creates a new account and scam anyone. Easy. Trust system is just for trusted members gang
Except that most people don't trust a recently registered user. They may trust a Sr. Member/Legendary, however.

That's why neg trusting him (in case it's needed) is important. Bam, now he needs 775+ activity and 1000 merits to get as many 'reputation' as he had.

In this world, you cannot trust anyone even Satoshi. Because he created bitcoin. Why? Because we need trustless systems. Why? Because no one is trusted


Title: Re: Trust Sytem Must Be Removed
Post by: bones261 on May 01, 2019, 09:15:03 PM
Trust system is nothing. I am here for 5 years. You can give negative trust one of a scammer hen he creates a new account and scam anyone. Easy. Trust system is just for trusted members gang

That may be true. However, people are more likely to succeed scamming by using an established account with some clout. Once such an account is tagged, that person can create all of the throw away accounts that they want, and only fools will take them seriously.


Title: Re: Trust Sytem Must Be Removed
Post by: TryNinja on May 01, 2019, 09:17:16 PM
In this world, you cannot trust anyone even Satoshi. Because he created bitcoin. Why? Because we need trustless systems. Why? Because no one is trusted
What does this have to do with anything?

People trust whoever they want to trust.


Title: Re: Trust Sytem Must Be Removed
Post by: olcaytu2005 on May 01, 2019, 09:20:42 PM
Trust system is nothing. I am here for 5 years. You can give negative trust one of a scammer hen he creates a new account and scam anyone. Easy. Trust system is just for trusted members gang

That may be true. However, people are more likely to succeed scamming by using an established account with some clout. Once such an account is tagged, that person can create all of the throw away accounts that they want, and only fools will take them seriously.

Unfortunately, Not everybody uses their mind.


Title: Re: Trust Sytem Must Be Removed
Post by: marlboroza on May 01, 2019, 09:41:12 PM
One of them(Lauda) is a thief and abuse trust system with her puppets like malbroza, suchmoon etc. etc.
Your opinion will be added to this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5138312.0) thread shortly where you will post evidence of us being alt accounts together with all other evidence you are supposed to post in that thread.

You can check any negative trust give by Lauda and after that you ll see malboroza sucmoon etc. isnt it proof?
Oh, you got us there...


Title: Re: Trust Sytem Must Be Removed
Post by: olcaytu2005 on May 01, 2019, 09:53:37 PM
One of them(Lauda) is a thief and abuse trust system with her puppets like malbroza, suchmoon etc. etc.
Your opinion will be added to this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5138312.0) thread shortly where you will post evidence of us being alt accounts together with all other evidence you are supposed to post in that thread.



Please add this thread. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5106337.msg49593768#msg49593768) So everyone can see How Lauda is a thief. Also She blames innocent people. There are a lot pics of innocent people there and they are not working on bounties either. Do they deserve to be tagged as a scammer? Lauda has a proof? If yes she can share but probably she has to steal as always:)


Title: Re: Trust Sytem Must Be Removed
Post by: Vod on May 01, 2019, 10:02:31 PM
So everyone can see How Lauda is a thief. Also She blames innocent people. There are a lot pics of innocent people there and they are not working on bounties either. Do they deserve to be tagged as a scammer? Lauda has a proof? If yes she can share but probably she has to steal as always:)

How is that different than encouraging people to trust a thief in your ICO?

Are the rules different for you?


Title: Re: Trust Sytem Must Be Removed
Post by: olcaytu2005 on May 01, 2019, 10:13:18 PM
So everyone can see How Lauda is a thief. Also She blames innocent people. There are a lot pics of innocent people there and they are not working on bounties either. Do they deserve to be tagged as a scammer? Lauda has a proof? If yes she can share but probably she has to steal as always:)

How is that different than encouraging people to trust a thief in your ICO?

Are the rules different for you?


I dont have any ICO. and ICOs already died :) The rules different for the trusted members. Why? As you know Law always protects the strong one (like goverments). So are the Bitcointalk rules. Always protects the moderators, theymos and trusted members. Because theymos created it.


Title: Re: Trust Sytem Must Be Removed
Post by: Vod on May 01, 2019, 10:16:27 PM
I dont have any ICO. and ICOs already died :)

So why were you encouraging people to give money to an ICO that died?   Did you get a cut?


Title: Re: Trust Sytem Must Be Removed
Post by: olcaytu2005 on May 01, 2019, 10:22:29 PM
I dont have any ICO. and ICOs already died :)

So why were you encouraging people to give money to an ICO that died?   Did you get a cut?


Advertising is encouraging? just with a bounty program? Bounty managers just manage the bounty programs. that s all. They are not encouraging poeple to give money. They just advertise as theymos did. So If we type;

" Bounty Program is not endorsed by the Bounty Manager. It may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction. "

Do that protect us???


Bounty managers never encourage poeple to give money to ICOs. Everyone do their search and invest if they like. I never saw if any bounty manager said like that Hey Everyone please buy this token. Did you see? I havent


Title: Re: Trust Sytem or trusted member list Must Be Removed?
Post by: The-One-Above-All on May 01, 2019, 10:56:52 PM
Everyone sees that there is a trusted members gang in this forum. They are not trusted. One of them(Lauda) is a thief and abuse trust system with her puppets like malbroza, suchmoon etc. etc. they have hundreds of alt accounts. In this world, no one is trusted.


They just attack whoever they want. Abusing everything. They have trust power and they suppose they are the owner of bitcointalk.

Let's talk.


Trust System must be removed?? or maybe trusted member list must be removed?? everyone should choose their trusted member list?

We fully agree with you. Observable liars, scammers, probable extortionists and those employing shady escrow dealings such as lauda and his group of shady friends have no place on a trust system.

We suggest that you research these trust abusers, find their observable dirty past historical behaviors and keep reminding them of these constantly whilst remaining on topic and relevant.

You could locate either cryptohunter or thule and look at their sig banners. In there are just "some" of their observable untrustworthy behaviors. Cryptohunter has also numerous times presented the observable events they most want to remain hidden.

He seems to have been prevented from posting or has just taken a break. We have decided to dedicate some of our time to continue his fight whilst he is away.

Meta board is a PRIME place to post about this, but you would need to keep it general or your posts will be moved to the rep section.
They will likely try to get you banned though so you will need to take care to remain within the board rules.

There are many others here that feel the same way about the abused and broken trust system as you do. Most are not scammers but have been trust abused and given a scam tag.
Don't give up.



Title: Re: Trust Sytem Must Be Removed
Post by: marlboroza on May 01, 2019, 11:03:29 PM
Bounty managers never encourage poeple to give money to ICOs. Everyone do their search and invest if they like. I never saw if any bounty manager said like that Hey Everyone please buy this token. Did you see? I havent
More lies from this scum
Hello everyone, pre sale is ongoing. Do not miss out 40% discount.


Title: Re: Trust Sytem Must Be Removed
Post by: olcaytu2005 on May 01, 2019, 11:06:59 PM
Bounty managers never encourage poeple to give money to ICOs. Everyone do their search and invest if they like. I never saw if any bounty manager said like that Hey Everyone please buy this token. Did you see? I havent
More lies from this scum
Hello everyone, pre sale is ongoing. Do not miss out 40% discount.




Owww well-done bro. I bet you dont have a job :DDDDD So when you read this do you buy tokens???? or do you do your research?  If you are not stupid you search right?

When you see a banner ad on bitcointalk do you buy immediately?? Do you trust Theymos??? 


Title: Re: Trust Sytem Must Be Removed
Post by: The-One-Above-All on May 01, 2019, 11:12:26 PM
Bounty managers never encourage poeple to give money to ICOs. Everyone do their search and invest if they like. I never saw if any bounty manager said like that Hey Everyone please buy this token. Did you see? I havent
More lies from this scum
Hello everyone, pre sale is ongoing. Do not miss out 40% discount.


The reader should be made aware that marlboroza is not at all worried about lies when his friend lauda tells them. Example when lauda was claiming that he was on the xcoin launch and there was not instamine LOL

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5131477.msg50628003#msg50628003

that entire thread was the reason for the majority of our own red trust. They simply do not like observable events that demonstrate they are untrustworthy being brought up in public.

You want weapons to crush this bunch? read all of cryptohunters previous postings on them. They use the trust system to eliminate whistle blowers and their COMPETITION in sig campaigns/managers and escrows.


Title: Re: Trust Sytem Must Be Removed
Post by: olcaytu2005 on May 01, 2019, 11:14:42 PM

You want weapons to crush this bunch? read all of cryptohunters previous postings on them. They use the trust system to eliminate whistle blowers and their COMPETITION in sig campaigns/managers and escrows.

You are right about that. They want to be monopoly.


Title: Re: Trust Sytem Must Be Removed
Post by: marlboroza on May 01, 2019, 11:15:48 PM
Owww well-done bro. I bet you dont have a job :DDDDD So when you read this do you buy tokens???? or do you do your research?  If you are not stupid you search right?
I thought you went to bed (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5138312.msg50858444#msg50858444). So, you are aiming stupid naive people? Thanks for sharing this with us.

Hello everyone, pre sale is ongoing. Do not miss out 40% discount.
When you see a banner ad on bitcointalk do you buy immediately?? Do you trust Theymos???  
Sorry, I don't remember theymos saying "hello everyone, check our latest banner and don't miss to use service".


Title: Re: Trust Sytem Must Be Removed
Post by: olcaytu2005 on May 01, 2019, 11:19:23 PM




I really dont care what you are writing here because I know you are not objective. You just follow lauda. You dont use your mind. You are talking about off topic man :DD

tell me trust system must be removed ? or trusted member list must be removed? but use your mind pls :)


note: stop licking theymos boots :)


Title: Re: Trust Sytem Must Be Removed
Post by: marlboroza on May 01, 2019, 11:35:20 PM
You just follow lauda.
I don't see lauda in this thread.

I really dont care what you are writing here because I know you are not objective. [...]You dont use your mind.
Bounty managers never encourage poeple to give money to ICOs. Everyone do their search and invest if they like. I never saw if any bounty manager said like that Hey Everyone please buy this token. Did you see? I havent
Hello everyone, pre sale is ongoing. Do not miss out 40% discount.


You are talking about off topic man :DD
What is off topic in topic full of lies?

tell me trust system must be removed ? or trusted member list must be removed? but use your mind pls :)
No.

note: stop licking theymos boots :)
Interesting. So you want to hear opinion which should be the same as yours?


Title: Re: Trust Sytem or trusted member list Must Be Removed?
Post by: theymos on May 01, 2019, 11:39:17 PM
Note that olcaytu2005 is banned on his request.


There are aspects of the trust system that are clearly less than ideal, some of which are probably solvable (and some probably not). But caucusing with people who have very clear and serious questionable behavior isn't going to help you convince people of anything. Anduck had a good case for the trust system being broken. You (cryptohunter) might've had some case for the trust system being broken if you had handled your initial trust issues with rationality and patience instead of absolutely losing your mind and throwing lies around, and even now I could imagine your red trust eventually being cleared if you were able to attain a stable mindset. olcaytu2005 on the other hand hasn't even attempted to defend himself against the accusations (from several independent widely-trusted members, based on publicly-available data) of knowingly assisting scams, so he does not have a good case for the trust system being broken.


Title: Re: Trust Sytem or trusted member list Must Be Removed?
Post by: TalkStar on May 02, 2019, 05:58:41 AM

You (cryptohunter) might've had some case for the trust system being broken if you had handled your initial trust issues with rationality and patience instead of absolutely losing your mind and throwing lies around, and even now I could imagine your red trust eventually being cleared if you were able to attain a stable mindset.

I am completely agree with you and I believe its possible to remove negative feedback by abiding proper steps. From this necessity I have already opened a thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5136593.msg50788944#msg50788944) in forum reputation section. where I have described about the proper way of getting apology. some of my points there is similar with your thinking.
    


Title: Re: Trust Sytem or trusted member list Must Be Removed?
Post by: Lauda on May 02, 2019, 06:38:26 AM
Note that olcaytu2005 is banned on his request.
That is a very odd request after everything that's been going on.

Ah, now that the the master has spoken will it run away?


Title: Re: Trust Sytem or trusted member list Must Be Removed?
Post by: The-One-Above-All on May 02, 2019, 11:03:14 AM
Note that olcaytu2005 is banned on his request.
That is a very odd request after everything that's been going on.

Ah, now that the the master has spoken will it run away?

There is never any running away on our part. Never use your own natural behaviors as a basis to speculate on the behaviors of the honest and upright members here. ANYTIME you want to debate with us one on one your past here you are more than welcome to do so. Reply yes or no now or just run away. Remember the extensive arguments you had and lost in the past with cryptohunter. Remember the 2 billion dollar lies you tried to push down investors throats when you had bags of dirtcoins? You said you were new then and had changed your ways since then. We now realize you have not changed at all LaudaM.

Our response to theymos will remain as it always shall be. We disagree with parts but are fully open to public debate on his opinions.
Regardless of which we still believe theymos is far more fair than you and your goons. Except he will not debate his opinions. He gives them and it is final in his own mind. That is the end of it.

We opened a thread for theymos alone to come and discuss things with us. Not to be derailed and destroyed by false claims from you and your goons. You should be struck off from this forum for all of the dishonest things you have done.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5138500.0


EDIT - it seems they deleted that thread. We call for presentation of these lies cryptohunter was spreading after his red trust? we doubt this is true since cryptohunter repeatedly challenged the entire meta board to present any incorrect information he had posted and they failed to bring 1 instance. We also doubt that ANY person can have a more valid claim of trust abuse or a broken trust system than a scammer and liar giving red trust to an honest member for them suggesting they would encourage others to review their post history after repeated lies and groundless attacks from the trust abuser.  That is the inverse of what red trust is for. So we cast in to doubt that part of theymos's post also.  It seems theymos is lacking the knowledge of the entire situation or is misrepresenting what took place.



Title: Re: Trust Sytem or trusted member list Must Be Removed?
Post by: TMAN on May 02, 2019, 11:25:43 AM
Our response to theymos will remain as it always shall be. We disagree with parts but are fully open to public debate on his opinions.

Theymos, me and everyone else here does not give 1 flying fuck about what you think. you have had multiple opportunities to debate with some of us and you chose to just give us eye cancer with your posts..

fuck off back under your trolling rock you piece of poo.


Title: Re: Trust Sytem or trusted member list Must Be Removed?
Post by: The Cryptovator on May 02, 2019, 11:33:24 AM
Our response to theymos will remain as it always shall be. We disagree with parts but are fully open to public debate on his opinions.
Regardless of which we still believe theymos is far more fair than you and your goons. Except he will not debate his opinions. He gives them and it is final in his own mind. That is the end of it.

We opened a thread for theymos alone to come and discuss things with us. Not to be derailed and destroyed by false claims from you and your goons. You should be struck off from this forum for all of the dishonest things you have done.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5138500.0


I have read your thread, haven't reply because of your fucking rules. If only theymos could reply then why you have made thread publicly? Why not just send PM to theymos ?

What does it means by "Our", "We", "Us"? That means you are CH or cult of CH. Seems you are using it on you whole thread and reply.


Title: Re: Trust Sytem or trusted member list Must Be Removed?
Post by: TMAN on May 02, 2019, 12:05:21 PM
What does it means by "Our", "We", "Us"? That means you are CH or cult of CH. Seems you are using it on you whole thread and reply.

the cult of Cryptocunt..


Title: Re: Trust Sytem or trusted member list Must Be Removed?
Post by: stompix on May 02, 2019, 01:20:05 PM
I have read your thread, haven't reply because of your fucking rules. If only theymos could reply then why you have made thread publicly? Why not just send PM to theymos ?

What does it means by "Our", "We", "Us"? That means you are CH or cult of CH. Seems you are using it on you whole thread and reply.

Yeah, I think the pills are showing their limits and as things happen in those cases it's even worse than before the treatment.
Has he (she,them,it) come to the point he actually thinks each of his own accounts is a different person?

Note that olcaytu2005 is banned on his request.

Pretty weird, are those bans permanent or are you going to reverse them if they come back and ask nicely?


Title: Re: Trust Sytem or trusted member list Must Be Removed?
Post by: morvillz7z on May 02, 2019, 01:43:20 PM
Pretty weird, are those bans permanent or are you going to reverse them if they come back and ask nicely?

I was going to ask the same thing as I can't seem to find his UID in the seclog. Maybe it's just a temp ban?



Title: Re: Trust Sytem or trusted member list Must Be Removed?
Post by: stompix on May 02, 2019, 02:09:16 PM
Pretty weird, are those bans permanent or are you going to reverse them if they come back and ask nicely?

I was going to ask the same thing as I can't seem to find his UID in the seclog. Maybe it's just a temp ban?

This reminds me of:
Is it possible that a direct ban from the theymos won't show in whatever dashboard you moderators have?

This would explain the so-called ban for CH none of us saw on the seclog
Maybe theymos bans are not shown because he didn't make them through the dashboard ???

A temp ban on request makes zero sense...


Title: Re: Trust Sytem or trusted member list Must Be Removed?
Post by: coinlocket$ on May 02, 2019, 02:16:13 PM


Pretty weird, are those bans permanent or are you going to reverse them if they come back and ask nicely?

They done a ton of money (checking his bitcoin address) with they bounty ico so my guess they don't give a f**k about their accounts here.


Title: Re: Trust Sytem or trusted member list Must Be Removed?
Post by: suchmoon on May 02, 2019, 02:22:34 PM
This would explain the so-called ban for CH none of us saw on the seclog

I don't think CH was banned. Otherwise he wouldn't be allowed to run around with his alt. More likely he made up the story so that he could park his Legendary account and avoid the ban.

A temp ban on request makes zero sense...

Maybe the term is 1000 years.