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One of the troubles that derailed ico investment was the dumping of the tokens once it is listed on exchange platforms

Fast forward few weeks; ieos became of the day and seemed as the best crowdfunding way
But even ieos project dump upon listing upon exchanges.

Why is there no corrective effects about this ? If ieos keep dumping upon listing on an exchange
It leaves no difference to an ico

Well was that was a problem, but major problem on my opinion was that a lot of projects was scams, but now who invest on IEOs will have on trusted exchanges will have a good chance and more profit can made.

My advice to those who are still tempted to invest in ICO and IEO is to be very careful especially ICO case ,for IEO they should just only invest in ones from binance or top exchanges only

I do not think this is a problem because the dump does not depend on the exchanges but directly from large investors if the project does not do anything and provides products, then of course investors lose faith in the project and sell immediately after the listing.

I think it's not a problem, and it's just what society is doing with their investments. They want the instant money that they are expecting with their finances. I know that it is going to be what happens every time an ICO and IEO is presented. As long as someone is offering something and there's a way to profit, that's just going to keep on happening.

Investing in only binance or too exchange is not an outright solution
Ieo tokens on those exchanges, still dump upon listing

Does it mean dumping of tokens is a normal lifestyle of crypto currency tokens ?

The problem is not crowdfunding.
Most startups remain unimplemented. The release of the assets of such projects into free trade is premature and illogical. However, hundreds of assets are traded on crypto exchangers, which are not collateraled.

Yes it is a bit strange because IEOs does not offer big private or pre sale bonuses like regular icos and most even do not have any airdrop or bounty campaign either so dumping of even such coins makes me wonder why people invested if they are selling in loss i mean even if someone needs urgent money he should alao ask not less than ico value there is no point investing if you end up in loss.

You are totally right. The dumpings of IEO is even bigger because the people don't need to send their coins to an exchange; they are already there, ready to dump fast whenever the dumpers like.


Projects will notice the problem but I don't see a technical solution in IEO. The best solution is to make to project promising that people don't sell and speculate on holding instead.


It's the misinformation that bounty people will dump. If the project is good, there's not need to sell the tokens. Projects have to realise it.

Some corrections will happen when there is wide adoption of blockchain technology by more corporate bodies, investment is not about fast money and one of the problem of dumping is the huge bonus investors get which make them sell below ICO price and still get profit, in the long run it'll become more serious business where investors hodl their investment until it get to appreciable level of growth

The team is the only party can solve that problem and we have a lot of example about how to fix it. You can see how those new platforms that listed on the major big exchange site like binance and any other major exchange site get a lot of demand that created very strong liquidity to the token or asset. Basically, those early investors in IEO can be considered as ICO traders. Did you know what it is? they are all short term holders that only take the advantage at the beginning of IEO. When that IEO has been giving them all decent profit and they dump it immediately and move to another IEO. It can be prevented only by the team to create a good or a lot of updates and good development progress to make them stay.

Many speculators do not want to wait long. In general, I think that entering the stock exchange immediately after launching a project is not correct. The project cannot manage to achieve implementation in such a short time.

The demand on an initial offering and second market are always different. IEO is not a right choice to solve this problem, when people start feeling bored, it will be the same. IEO is only good to ensure that the token will be listed in no time. Well, I don't know exactly how to solve this problem, but I miss an old way to conduct ICO when the token price is determined by total amount raised funds and people got their tokens from percentage of total token for sale.

If the currency suffers a dump and doesn't recover anymore it's just the signal it's a bad and weak currency. You can consider the dump a feedback of the market about the crypto currency in question. No way to solve this, it's a natural process.
A good currency can survive speculators and their dumps, because there will be always legit investors behind it, backing the currency.

There is no need to battle existing problems
Because with the existence of whales who pump and dump at will
Progression will remain on a low for quite a while

What you guys are expecting with these IEOs? what's the difference between with ICO? the only difference that it has is an specific exchange supports it and will effectively list their token on them as soon as they are done.

Do you guys expect that investors of it are truly into supporting that project proponents? no. They are all in for making profit so don't be discourage if you see dumps coming to such projects that held through IEO.

I think you've completely misunderstood what is IEO! IEO don't guarantee anything about market price. Yes it can dump and dump again. Don't trust the price which IEO's.

I agree with you
but the risk remains the same and there is no guarantee to prevent the scam. even though in some large exchanges
I think there must be an official standard made by the agreement of all exchanges involving IEOs.

it is like this because there is no difference between ICO and IEO apart from the name.
and the dump happens even faster because the IEOs are already listed on an exchange, that is what the letter "E" stands for!

there is no  difference!
the project itself has to be different to have a different result and not get dumped not its name! if i put some dog shit in a bag and put a label on it saying "GOLD" it doesn't change the content of the bag.

Well you can say, there is no difference that these are all altcoins or cryptocurrencies. In that way, we can already say that these happen because of the volatility of the market. In the first place, people, or we, the investors are the determinants to these changes. If we think the price is falling, then we can save it through buying more.

And Honestly, we are in a world of trading industry. In that case, people will surely do the same thing as knowing how indicators work, and if the IEO of a particular project will going to be profitable in a sense, then they will surely sell it right away, but don't lose hope, the only way a downfall market can go, is to turn the table soon.

all this about speculation to get profit. ico or ieo, for me it's the same. these two things will eventually lead to a dump. there are people who want to get big profits and one way is to make prices fall. after that they will pump until it is very high. and finally will sell everything then leave. there is no solution for this, the only way is to adoption.

how can it be the same for you if these are two different things and the approach is completely different? you should better understand ICO and IEO

since the beginning the IEO has not guaranteed that it will not be dumped when it starts trading. You should understand that the IEO is not a guarantee to get profit.

Well, I think if someone experiences profit, it's just a matter of time if you want to have more profit or not. It's going to be a choice between your greediness or your patience because normally that's what people tend to experience. I think what matters now is to check whether or not it has real applications and real interactions with people or it's just going to be a dead project or something.

Many IEO participants are unlikely to be concerned about the details of the project whose assets they are buying. There are many speculations about fraud, because people expect a quick profit, but do not get it. Investing is a long time. The combination of trading with investing can to empty your wallet.

the support price and the sell not ballance here, if the support buy can manage the price of course all seller will think twice to dump their coin/token, many ieo don't have support buy to handle dumper

Only investors can change the dumping so if a project target wong investors then they have chance of losing their project due to dumping from them.

Those who make purchases on the IEO will clearly see the details of the project, there is no way they will immediately buy if the project is not clear, the benefits in the IEO are fast but we also have to look at the details, and there are investments in the short term long term.

you can not easily prevent a dump. most people just want to make money through an ico and do not invest to support the project, but to earn quick money with it. i think this is the main reason why an ico who has reached her cap has experienced a strong dump.

They are simply taking the risk for much quicker results, IEO's as we knows it, another venue for investment that you don't need to wait for longer time to see the results, if investors will continue to look for quick benefits then dumped won't be avoided and it will just have the same fate with those ico's failed project after reaching the exchange.

Good clarity which I am pleased
The story remains the same then; crowdfunding still surely deserves more than dumps

From my point of view, ICOs and IEOs are same. It's just a another way to get funds raised. The dumping is not dependent on the way the funds are raised. I don't know why people sell their coins to less value than ieo or ico price. I think this is the result of large investors or sometimes the allocation to tell members.
I have observed that more than 95% of projects tend to dump the coins after ieo or ico.
Distribution of Bounty and airdrop tokens before listing is also one of the reasons for dumping.
For me, the best way to invest in the project is not through ico or ieo but to buy the coins after dumping.

The persistent problem is scam. Scam project and others trying to defraud you of your token , alot of 2018 bounty are scam and it very hard to eradicate.

The significant difference in investor behavior between IEO and ICO is not very noticeable when their efforts are focused on the quick sale of coins. The project itself must be interested to prevent this from happening. We need to develop and work. Zero projects are not interesting to anyone, except during the momentary benefit.

Honestly, I was expecting this. It's logical that when something doesn't work you move your attention to something else that works and that's exactly what scammers did. They knew IEOs are going to become the next ICOs and everyone is going to invest in them so they took action quickly before anyone could spot them and here we are now seeing IEOs dumping their coins after launching on exchanges.

Now it happens. everyone takes part in IEO just to get a quick profit but not because the projects are really good

The problem keeps repeating itself every time. The dumpers of tokens are yet to turn away from this selfish interest of action, thereby affecting those who invest into coins with their money. This usually have great negative effect on projects rising up to ICO price after listing on exchanges because the value of the coins who have dumped so much that it could affect the way many people are attracted to the project. Until something is done to curtail the way dumpers dump tokens, so many projects will still continue to have such repeated problems .

it's very difficult to get people to hold back the coins they have even though everyone is aware that it can cause a dump, everyone wants their coins to have high prices but unfortunately not everyone wants or can wait because as you know we always need money every time because sometimes many people are willing to sell their coins at a price that is still cheap

So far, the difference between an IEO and ICO is that you can still earn a little bit of money on an IEO.
Of course, for earnings it is necessary first of all to have time to sell first. However, you have a chance to make a profit.
When investing in ICO - there is no chance to make a profit.

Well, for me that was an expected thing. In my perspective most of the ICO or IEO investors do not come for the purpose of such coin and dreaming that it will become to btc someday or at least become a stable coin, they invest because they want to have a fats money so what they tend to do is dump once that particular coin is listed. In short, they are only taking advantage to the hype produced by that coin. So if you are only a small investor I advice you to invest more with btc or famous alts because earning is guaranteed :).

IEO projects could not solve all the problems of ICO projects. New IEO projects still solve the problem of fraud in these projects. Therefore, for investors, they began to be in high demand and therefore their tokens sold quickly. Yet other problems of ICO projects remain. Although the market rises little by little, it’s not so much that the tokens will increase in price even if the project is not very good. Therefore, only promising projects with finished products can now grow in value. All others, until real steps prove their viability, their tokens are unlikely to grow in value.

Even though every Sunday we never have the income to start it faster in terms of dumping the ico, but generally in the IEOS market, of course all will turn to other places

If all the events are on the internet, scammers will always be. While it is possible to hack IEO offerers, finding the perfect result looks impossible. Anyway, we are trying for the best. But, I do not think it is IEO.

I think that the situation with IEO is the same as with ICO. We just need to choose the right exchanges to participate in the IEO. This is a new trend, and of course many people want to pick it up, but you should not pay attention to all.

As what I've stated before, maybe all of this issues and concerns will be minimized if we focused our sights on reverse ICO's and not on ICO's or IEO's. In this way, we are assured that the project already has a working product and this greatly minimizes investment risks. With regards to token dumping, one way to avoid that is to find projects where the team and investor's tokens are vested for a period of time to make the price more stable and to avoid sudden dumping.

It's possible that IEO has actually been promoted by scammers because they know people is not anymore interested in ICOs so they want to attract them into something else by giving them some kind of credibility and '' security ''. That's why you should not put all your hope into IEO because even though it's better than ICO it's still not the best solution to the problem.

IEOs do not guarantee profit , it can happen that the price of the tokens fall after listing, but they should filter out projects with no use case and scam projects as well. They are a step forward towards more secure investment environment.

I agree! We don't need to focus in choosing the right exchanges to participate in an IEO rather we should see the merits of the project itself regardless on what exchange it will be conducting its IEO. In this way, we could be a more sure that our investments went to sound projects that are less risky and not to shady ones that are orchestrated by these fraudsters.

There are many projects with similar cases. I don't know if they need time to develop or it's just a scam. Now most investors follow the IEO. They feel the IEO is safe and earns a lot of profits

It's wrong and only the developer can prevent it. Create such a buyback method or pay more to make the token to be listed on the big exchange site to get more liquidity is the only choice. So, have you experienced with those major platforms at the first when it was traded on the exchange site? Most of them getting accepted and instantly listed on big exchange site and gain big liquidity to protect the dump and investor's trust. Investors will always seek instant profit.

There is no surprising to tokens being dumped when the market is open for the token/coin, its very normal even in the stockmarket. The only that gets the best of profit are the ones that buy the tokens for the cheapest price possible and then wait for the right time to sell. This isn't a problem because its economics and anyone can take the dumping of tokens positively.

Well, the thing is that when an investor is buying some tokens he has all the rights in this world to decide how and when to dispose them. There should be no impediment on this prerogative. Now, the project can implement a phased distribution of the tokens for its investors and supporters. At the same time, the project can implement incentives for people who are choosing to hold. The project must communicate to investors why they must hold the tokens by convincing them that there is a great future awaiting for the project in the next coming months and years...certainly not an easy task to do but not impossible.

Then what happens to other investors ?
Are profits only meant for presale investors ?

There should be a balance in the rise and dump of any tokens

It's consider a normal thing since so many people not patience enough to wait to see his token/coin became money, maybe because of worries or in a hurry. I am sure, this is not only happening now, it has already happened like this since the altcoin number increased.

That is the normal problem of new projects that are listed on the market. If you are a long crypto investor you should know that after the listing it will be a dumping situation and that is the time when you invest. You should hold it for the long term for a better profit. Dumping after the listing is unavoidable.

You are right, dumping is just like a norm now and developers should already be getting used to this, so what their strength should be channeled to now is how to build their product to a standard that will make it continue to have market value and stabilize the value of the coin.

Even if a project coin value is not that high, there must always be at list little increase to show its development, the more their product brings users to buy their coin, the more there will be an increase on the value of their coin, so I still believe that it is developers that has the majority of work to do to make the coin continue to have value after the initial dumping.

Trading will continue no matter what. Its all about bid and ask and its being played by all including those who hold just few tokens they are part of the economy that's balance. Presale investors doesn't mean they get to have profits, some of them hold their tokens too. Not all of them are after the profit but consider those who took profits right when the market opens to buy back as they also want to accumulate.

IF you talking about ICO then can say the project is a scam and there are no big promotion or team is very lazy. And there is no headache with their project. They just want to steal investor money by publishing an ICO.
On the other hand, if you talking about IEO I suggest investors to invest in a big exchange only where you can make profit safely.

I think IEO is another way of collecting funds to support a project. It is slightly different from ICO. It ensures that a project will move forward, which means it gives investment security a bit. IEOs are launched on exchanges, and there is likelihood that a project will be listed on the same exchanges launching IEO of the project. I think IEO does not have any connection with coin dumping.

Since IEO has completely solve the issue of scam in the market, we have to look for another idea that will make the issue of dumping become a thing of the past, but then, that will mean that people will no longer have access to their money again, because the only way most coins and altcoins retain their value is through the total amount of money that is still left in their market.

The investment is just like s bank, where you put in and pull out at any time, so if the amount of money saved in the investment is bigger than the amount of money pulled out, then we should always expect dumping to happen, but a very good project will cover up in future.

This issue of dumping has to really do with investors and nothing more, they are the ones that have the power to remain in the market or leave the market at the pint they like since it is their money.

Most investors don’t stay in the market the moment they get profit in their investment, and the moment they pull that heavy fund from the project market cap, what do you expect?, a sharp decline in the value of the project. Except we want exchanges and developers to start restricting the amount of token an investor can have access to, which will be like outing them in bandage over their own money.

That's the nature of the market we currently operate in. While you are still going through the project social media to look for announcements that will spur you hold the coins, whales are already dumping the coins for 5% profit in a CEX. Its an ugly phenomenon now