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Title: Trade war China and US
Post by: andronikos on May 20, 2019, 09:15:44 PM
I really think this trade war going on is an opportunity for us all who believe in a decentralized world, can start promoting blockchain technology. And I mean talking about it everywhere. News, e-magazines, etc. Blockchain  can solve all of those problems. All it needs is recognition.


Title: Re: Trade war China and US
Post by: yeosaga on May 20, 2019, 10:09:06 PM
I really think this trade war going on is an opportunity for us all who believe in a decentralized world, can start promoting blockchain technology. And I mean talking about it everywhere. News, e-magazines, etc. Blockchain  can solve all of those problems. All it needs is recognition.

It needs to be more user-friendly.


Title: Re: Trade war China and US
Post by: BADecker on May 20, 2019, 11:35:26 PM
We don't need China. The only reason we have trade with China at all is to add people (Chinese and their companies) to the Federal Reserve fiat Ponzi scheme. Block all China trade. Let the FED fiat die. Up with Bitcoin to replace FED fiat. Bring jobs back to America to replace Chinese imports.

This will reduce income tax. It will get people off welfare... or they will starve to death (who needs them if they don't want to work?). It will get rid of special interest groups. It will reduce military spending which will get us out of wars with other countries. Note that the wars are there basically to force other countries into the FED fiat Ponzi.

The only bad part is that we won't have the Forex to make money with anymore. But that's okay, since the Forex is part of the FED Ponzi.

8)


Title: Re: Trade war China and US
Post by: KingScorpio on May 21, 2019, 02:39:54 PM
I really think this trade war going on is an opportunity for us all who believe in a decentralized world, can start promoting blockchain technology. And I mean talking about it everywhere. News, e-magazines, etc. Blockchain  can solve all of those problems. All it needs is recognition.

trade wars are no joke, losers of trade wars, will suffer from a massive currency devaluation, and a rise in poverty in their society, britain once declared war on the netherlands after a period of trade war.

regards


Title: Re: Trade war China and US
Post by: KingScorpio on May 21, 2019, 02:40:55 PM
We don't need China. The only reason we have trade with China at all is to add people (Chinese and their companies) to the Federal Reserve fiat Ponzi scheme. Block all China trade. Let the FED fiat die. Up with Bitcoin to replace FED fiat. Bring jobs back to America to replace Chinese imports.

This will reduce income tax. It will get people off welfare... or they will starve to death (who needs them if they don't want to work?). It will get rid of special interest groups. It will reduce military spending which will get us out of wars with other countries. Note that the wars are there basically to force other countries into the FED fiat Ponzi.

The only bad part is that we won't have the Forex to make money with anymore. But that's okay, since the Forex is part of the FED Ponzi.

8)

bitcoin is no replacement for communal fiats.



Title: Re: Trade war China and US
Post by: KingScorpio on May 21, 2019, 02:52:26 PM
Was that the reason Google stopped supporitng Huawei and Honor?

us government order


Title: Re: Trade war China and US
Post by: Cryptof11k on May 21, 2019, 04:03:27 PM
The backlash of the trade war is on developing countries around the world, these guys are full in their stomachs that's why they have the energy to fight. Let them get to countries like Sudan and see if peasants know the meaning of economics lol.


Title: Re: Trade war China and US
Post by: Naida_BR on May 21, 2019, 05:54:38 PM
I really think this trade war going on is an opportunity for us all who believe in a decentralized world, can start promoting blockchain technology. And I mean talking about it everywhere. News, e-magazines, etc. Blockchain  can solve all of those problems. All it needs is recognition.

This trade war between these two strong economics will not gonna help us.
It would be better is one small economic will be restricted and then they are going to find another options in order to get rid of these barriers. Then the decentralized ecosystem would make sense. China and the US have strong allies thus a decentralized ecosystem is not necessary for them.


Title: Re: Trade war China and US
Post by: andronikos on May 21, 2019, 07:12:23 PM
I really think this trade war going on is an opportunity for us all who believe in a decentralized world, can start promoting blockchain technology. And I mean talking about it everywhere. News, e-magazines, etc. Blockchain  can solve all of those problems. All it needs is recognition.

This trade war between these two strong economics will not gonna help us.
It would be better is one small economic will be restricted and then they are going to find another options in order to get rid of these barriers. Then the decentralized ecosystem would make sense. China and the US have strong allies thus a decentralized ecosystem is not necessary for them.
I know what you mean. They would prefer everything centralized . I'm a dreamer. I dream of the day I see a decentralized ecosystem. The banks fear it, so do governments. But my vision is that eventually they will adopt it.


Title: Re: Trade war China and US
Post by: squatz1 on May 21, 2019, 09:51:16 PM
I only see this trade war as something that may hurt the price of Bitcoin -- if it goes sour. Think about it like this, if the price of traditional investments is to decrease substantially. Then you're going to see speculative investments such as Bitcoin, and other high-risk investments start to go through more of a sell-off because people need liquidity in their other assets.

This would carry the assumption that those that invest in Bitcoin, have holdings in traditional investments as well. That assumption may not (fully) be true which would nullify the rest of what I've said.


Title: Re: Trade war China and US
Post by: andronikos on May 21, 2019, 10:23:28 PM
I only see this trade war as something that may hurt the price of Bitcoin -- if it goes sour. Think about it like this, if the price of traditional investments is to decrease substantially. Then you're going to see speculative investments such as Bitcoin, and other high-risk investments start to go through more of a sell-off because people need liquidity in their other assets.

This would carry the assumption that those that invest in Bitcoin, have holdings in traditional investments as well. That assumption may not (fully) be true which would nullify the rest of what I've said.
Well actually I believe the opposite might happen. If it goes sour and turns into currency war bitcoin will benefit from this. First you have to look at bitcoin as a precious metal. Problems with gold and metals in general are multiple:
It is difficult to store. If we keep gold, we also need a place to store them safely.
It's not easy to exchange. In our times it is impossible to pay gold for our transactions and let alone when transactions are made electronically.
Bitcoin, other than trading, enables us to store value in them. And indeed a value that we can exchange at any time, which is unprecedented for those who are accustomed to the idea of ​​precious metals. Bitcoin shares some of the positive characteristics of metals, but it does not have their negatives. So eventually it would be the safest choice to run to.


Title: Re: Trade war China and US
Post by: Ziskinberg on May 22, 2019, 02:47:05 AM
Trade war is bad of the economy as it limits the opportunity to grow their business.
I don't know how it will affect on bitcoin but if it will affect it could only be in short term, in a positive way. 
I am not an economies and I don't see how this thing would impact on the demand in crypto, hopefully this will be solve and big countries involve will do measures that would benefit on both.


Title: Re: Trade war China and US
Post by: Jet Cash on May 22, 2019, 06:14:12 AM
It's a step towards the integration of the US and China into one country. Think that is rubbish? Have a look at this project,and check its backing.

https://www.schwarzmanscholars.org/


Title: Re: Trade war China and US
Post by: andronikos on May 22, 2019, 07:55:37 AM
It's a step towards the integration of the US and China into one country. Think that is rubbish? Have a look at this project,and check its backing.

https://www.schwarzmanscholars.org/
This is really weird. I've never heard of this before. So they actually want to integrate?


Title: Re: Trade war China and US
Post by: Jet Cash on May 22, 2019, 09:14:35 AM
The banking globalists will win - not China or the US.


Title: Re: Trade war China and US
Post by: squatz1 on May 22, 2019, 12:01:10 PM
I only see this trade war as something that may hurt the price of Bitcoin -- if it goes sour. Think about it like this, if the price of traditional investments is to decrease substantially. Then you're going to see speculative investments such as Bitcoin, and other high-risk investments start to go through more of a sell-off because people need liquidity in their other assets.

This would carry the assumption that those that invest in Bitcoin, have holdings in traditional investments as well. That assumption may not (fully) be true which would nullify the rest of what I've said.
Well actually I believe the opposite might happen. If it goes sour and turns into currency war bitcoin will benefit from this. First you have to look at bitcoin as a precious metal. Problems with gold and metals in general are multiple:
It is difficult to store. If we keep gold, we also need a place to store them safely.
It's not easy to exchange. In our times it is impossible to pay gold for our transactions and let alone when transactions are made electronically.
Bitcoin, other than trading, enables us to store value in them. And indeed a value that we can exchange at any time, which is unprecedented for those who are accustomed to the idea of ​​precious metals. Bitcoin shares some of the positive characteristics of metals, but it does not have their negatives. So eventually it would be the safest choice to run to.

I don't understand why people have this crazed obsession with precious metals, and people thinking that if the global market is to go to shit then we're going to go back to exchanging gold for things again. That's a lie that is perpetuated by the people in marketing at these gold companies. There's no way that anyone is actually going to go back to that nor are they going to go to something like bitcoin if we were to have a meltdown.

In the event of a meltdown, the only currency is going to be food, guns, and bullets.


Title: Re: Trade war China and US
Post by: darklus123 on May 22, 2019, 01:48:50 PM
Was that the reason Google stopped supporitng Huawei and Honor?

Because Trump ordered it for the reason that Huawei  is spying on US. I love that moved tho even if that was ironically being done by the US government. China should stop acting like the hell they are in superior of other countries.

Now that what they are doing are actually receiving it's Karma lol. And yet the Huawei company still insisted that there will only be no major effect of to what have happened


Title: Re: Trade war China and US
Post by: KennyR on May 22, 2019, 03:25:27 PM
It is completely an unwanted issue, with the stopping of huawei products USA only will be experiencing a loss in revenue. On the day itself the shares started to fall off, and upon the same USA has come up providing some cooling period. Huawei probably will stand alone and it is not the war on IT products, it is the trade war on minerals.


Title: Re: Trade war China and US
Post by: KingScorpio on May 23, 2019, 11:27:27 AM
I really think this trade war going on is an opportunity for us all who believe in a decentralized world, can start promoting blockchain technology. And I mean talking about it everywhere. News, e-magazines, etc. Blockchain  can solve all of those problems. All it needs is recognition.

jes these trade wars are a huge opportunity, but why should the people switch their national banking cartels for a corrupt network of cryptocurrency indexes?


Title: Re: Trade war China and US
Post by: andronikos on May 23, 2019, 12:40:33 PM
I really think this trade war going on is an opportunity for us all who believe in a decentralized world, can start promoting blockchain technology. And I mean talking about it everywhere. News, e-magazines, etc. Blockchain  can solve all of those problems. All it needs is recognition.

jes these trade wars are a huge opportunity, but why should the people switch their national banking cartels for a corrupt network of cryptocurrency indexes?
What do you mean by corrupt network? Decentralization cannot be corrupted.


Title: Re: Trade war China and US
Post by: IPVPIRL on May 23, 2019, 01:26:54 PM
I really think this trade war going on is an opportunity for us all who believe in a decentralized world, can start promoting blockchain technology. And I mean talking about it everywhere. News, e-magazines, etc. Blockchain  can solve all of those problems. All it needs is recognition.

jes these trade wars are a huge opportunity, but why should the people switch their national banking cartels for a corrupt network of cryptocurrency indexes?
What do you mean by corrupt network? Decentralization cannot be corrupted.

I think he means the price manipulation occuring with fake volumes from exchanges, tether printing etc. There are exchanges posting billions in trading volume, while the actual trades happening are only thousands of dollars. Senting money from your right pocket to your left isn't trading. Also volume is a solid indicator for a possible pump in price. So this indicator being manipulated by exchanges or whales is significant and makes traders life difficult. Still your point wasn't that at all. I completely agree that the only blockchain that is quite decentralized is Bitcoin and should be the model for worldwide trading. Although because of the fact that all transactions are on a public ledger and are traced by organizations, especially the large ones, I'm not certain if such trade blockades can be bypassed this way or they make things worse.


Title: Re: Trade war China and US
Post by: TheCoinGrabber on May 23, 2019, 02:40:04 PM
Funny thing is, if these two fuck up the world economy, more people might flock to crypto, just like how Venezuelans are using bitcoin. So yeah, it would suck for the rest of us but something good might come out of it.

Was that the reason Google stopped supporitng Huawei and Honor?

It was part of their espionage war. China has 2 Canadian agents in detention. That Huawei gal got it easy with a simple house arrest. Not sure if she was already extradited by Canada to US.


Title: Re: Trade war China and US
Post by: andronikos on May 25, 2019, 03:15:06 PM
Was that the reason Google stopped supporitng Huawei and Honor?

us government order
I was about to preoder a Huawei p30 but the bank canceled transaction at the very last moment. Lucky me huh

This is only the beginning. We will actually witness a currency war soon


Title: Re: Trade war China and US
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on May 26, 2019, 04:40:54 AM
It is absolutely right, it is necessary for the world to realize that the exit is decentralized, there is no other option that can compete against it, although it is a problem for large corporations that have not yet fully adopted the technology. They do different ways of seeing things.

For example, each corporation has shares in the Stock Market and, obviously, its actions will be affected by the same problem, it has to reach a consensus where the block chain technology is driven by them, that way they can resurface , and having more speed, greater security and confidence. I believe that people will have their recognition totally.

It is necessary to emphasize that these problems have a solution if in both countries they adopt the technology of the chain of blocks in an appropriate way and if they do not seek to collect taxes for it, if this happened, it would be ideal, but the interests of each of them. They must be taken into account. , but that solution will be postponed until having a vision where the only output is blockchain, that is, until all resources are exhausted.


Title: Re: Trade war China and US
Post by: AliErkic on May 26, 2019, 09:19:01 PM
Was that the reason Google stopped supporitng Huawei and Honor?

us government order
I was about to preoder a Huawei p30 but the bank canceled transaction at the very last moment. Lucky me huh

This is only the beginning. We will actually witness a currency war soon
I'm sure the problems will be solved. Nobody wants this war to start.
Trump is a national socialist and as we all know nazis want war. Trump has still time until 2020 before people can vote him out.


Title: Re: Trade war China and US
Post by: yuria3 on May 27, 2019, 02:03:44 AM
I do think this is good for American companies. And Huawei might just be the first one to be ousted in US market.


Title: Re: Trade war China and US
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on May 27, 2019, 02:38:07 AM
You are absolutely right, it is necessary for the world to realize that the exit is decentralized, there is no other option that can compete against it, although it is a problem for large corporations that have not yet fully adopted the technology. They make different ways to see things.
For example, each corporation has shares in the Stock Market and obviously its actions will be affected by the same problem, it has to reach a consensus where the blockchain technology is driven by them, that way they can resurface, and by having more speed, greater security and confidence I believe that people will have their recognition totally.

It is necessary to emphasize that these problems have a solution if in both countries they adopt the blockchain technology in a good way and if they do not seek to collect taxes for it, if this happens it would be ideal, but the interests of each of them should be taken into account. , but that solution will be postponed until having a vision where the only output is blockchain, that is, until all the resources are exhausted.


Title: Re: Trade war China and US
Post by: MidKnight on May 27, 2019, 07:01:57 AM
I really think this trade war going on is an opportunity for us all who believe in a decentralized world, can start promoting blockchain technology. And I mean talking about it everywhere. News, e-magazines, etc. Blockchain  can solve all of those problems. All it needs is recognition.

trade wars are no joke, losers of trade wars, will suffer from a massive currency devaluation, and a rise in poverty in their society, britain once declared war on the netherlands after a period of trade war.

regards

I agree, it's not really good for China even the founder of Huawei feels brave to say that they need US but they know deep inside that US has given them much impact that is beneficial to their commpany. But don't be afraid my Chinese traders, 2020 is not very far and the time is also enough for bitcoin to shoot up before they replace Trump.


Title: Re: Trade war China and US
Post by: darklus123 on May 27, 2019, 07:09:56 AM
While watching the issue quite some time I've realized that this was a very big issue which is currently circulating around the world.

However if we are going to think about it. China have been banning alot of american brand google to be exact. It was banned in China few years ago but that doesn't make so much noise.



Title: Re: Trade war China and US
Post by: KingScorpio on May 27, 2019, 09:25:12 AM
I really think this trade war going on is an opportunity for us all who believe in a decentralized world, can start promoting blockchain technology. And I mean talking about it everywhere. News, e-magazines, etc. Blockchain  can solve all of those problems. All it needs is recognition.

jes these trade wars are a huge opportunity, but why should the people switch their national banking cartels for a corrupt network of cryptocurrency indexes?
What do you mean by corrupt network? Decentralization cannot be corrupted.

of course it can,

when someone claims to posses the "true" index of cryptocurrencies,

if he then will be believed he effectively created a private index cartel, he then can say who is a cryptocurency and who is a shitcoin.

who is nr. 1 and who an insignificant number 20000


Title: Re: Trade war China and US
Post by: blitzy on May 27, 2019, 04:03:03 PM
The two will bark at each other, maybe a small nip or scratch, but they won't dare bite. They both know they gain nothing from a real trade war and right now they're just trying to safely build up leverage for negotations.

Some short term pain yes but in the long run they'll both wakeup and come to an agreement.


Title: Re: Trade war China and US
Post by: BADecker on May 27, 2019, 04:10:24 PM
We don't need China. The only reason we have trade with China at all is to add people (Chinese and their companies) to the Federal Reserve fiat Ponzi scheme. Block all China trade. Let the FED fiat die. Up with Bitcoin to replace FED fiat. Bring jobs back to America to replace Chinese imports.

This will reduce income tax. It will get people off welfare... or they will starve to death (who needs them if they don't want to work?). It will get rid of special interest groups. It will reduce military spending which will get us out of wars with other countries. Note that the wars are there basically to force other countries into the FED fiat Ponzi.

The only bad part is that we won't have the Forex to make money with anymore. But that's okay, since the Forex is part of the FED Ponzi.

8)

bitcoin is no replacement for communal fiats.


Exactly! Bitcoin is a replacement for us... for the way we trade... a barter equalizer.

Who wants government and the banks continually stealing some of our trade value from us? With Bitcoin they can't if we don't want them to.

Bitcoin. Not a replacement for fiat. Rather, a removal of thieves in banking and government from our lives and private trade.

8)


Title: Re: Trade war China and US
Post by: andronikos on May 27, 2019, 04:55:00 PM
We don't need China. The only reason we have trade with China at all is to add people (Chinese and their companies) to the Federal Reserve fiat Ponzi scheme. Block all China trade. Let the FED fiat die. Up with Bitcoin to replace FED fiat. Bring jobs back to America to replace Chinese imports.

This will reduce income tax. It will get people off welfare... or they will starve to death (who needs them if they don't want to work?). It will get rid of special interest groups. It will reduce military spending which will get us out of wars with other countries. Note that the wars are there basically to force other countries into the FED fiat Ponzi.

The only bad part is that we won't have the Forex to make money with anymore. But that's okay, since the Forex is part of the FED Ponzi.

8)

bitcoin is no replacement for communal fiats.


Exactly! Bitcoin is a replacement for us... for the way we trade... a barter equalizer.

Who wants government and the banks continually stealing some of our trade value from us? With Bitcoin they can't if we don't want them to.

Bitcoin. Not a replacement for fiat. Rather, a removal of thieves in banking and government from our lives and private trade.

8)
I'm glad you see it that way!! :) Bitcoin is the future, not realized yet


Title: Re: Trade war China and US
Post by: BADecker on May 27, 2019, 07:22:37 PM
^^^ I'm glad you are glad.     8)


Title: Re: Trade war China and US
Post by: haseeb ahmed on May 28, 2019, 12:33:04 PM
Trade war between China and America is showing bad effects on whole international market and will effect over all world GDP according to IMF. I think this trade war will effect America more because China is a big market and their population is around 15 % of world population which means America can also lose 15% of worlds market which will be disastrous for their market and will loose their market in Asia where China is expanding its market share.


Title: Re: Trade war China and US
Post by: haseeb ahmed on June 04, 2019, 10:30:24 PM
I donít think UN is strong enough to ruin USA and China nor they can undo any country without the support of other nations. UN is just an organisation and has no authority and resources to do this. The trade war is just a menace of trumps mind nothing else which will harm USA more than China.