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Can we have a section that is decentralized? That does not interfere with freedom of speech.

To have such a system internally on the forum is impossible for a multitude of reasons. Out of curiosity, what is this about?

Well it appears many users are targeted and post are removed and moved, Users even get banned.

Right to say what you feel and the only retribution
Is another citizen can disagree; ain't nobody removing post
All made equal, in the eyes of our creator
And the shit we don't agree with, we can change it later

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWivmrZL2ow YTCracker - Home (Sweet Home)

is there a undernet version of btctalk?

There is a website to show how many of my post have been deleted and moved, ridiculous amounts that pertain to the discussion they are in. (I admit some of them should be moved, as I may of posted them in the wrong directory)

8ch.net would probably fit your needs better.

You multipost a lot so I'd guess that's one of the reasons for your deleted posts. Multiple posts in a row by the same user in the same thread within 24h are not allowed. Use the Edit button.

There is a bunch that have not been multi post but
yah sorry
I am a gamer this is how we type
I will try and keep it cleaner

every try and play starcraft, cs, rts, fps or moba`s? and type and play lol you don`t have time, bad habit growing up playing video games my entire life since atari.

whoa!  I'm a gamer as well, but I can type.  :)   I was in a top ten ranking in the late 90s, but now I most play simulation games, like Oxygen Not Included

I simply disagree with this. Don't include all gamers to your laziness. THAT'S HOW YOU TYPE.
 I'm specifically a gamer more over an addict gamer, but I'm not a dickhead. It's not an excuse whether you're a gamer or not. You're just lazy and that's the fact. If there would be such forum that doesn't have any Mods, the hell is that? Its not a Forum anymore, it will be looked like a garbage group chat that has a lot of Drama and endless shits of spam.

Edit:
Why would the creators of Forums would remove the Moderation of his own site? In what sense would they benefit themselves from doing so? Can't really see the logic.

If an individual is incapabale of doing the right thing then he/she must refrain from what they tend to do. The hell they would give a crap to lazy users just because they can't do posting on a right way?

I've seen a good number of your late posts and I was not certain if you like to spam or you simply trolling (no offense intended, but some of them are bad), however, this latest idea I can safely put into the "tolling" category.
I mean, really, you can think for a second and see that such a section will be a huge trash can which nobody will dispose. It'll stink. Badly.

(And, as said multiple times, this forum is centralized. Period.)

I haven't looked at the OP's post, but I'm starting to feel that the MSM censors have infiltrated the mods. I stopped replying to many threads, as it seems that discussing fractional reserve risks in stable coins, and mention of fraud on the London Good Delivery Lists are topics to be kept off the boards. The identity of Satoshi, and the possibility of Bitcoin hitting £1,000,000 by Christmas are mildly interesting, but not really worthy of much attention. The global economy and the major changes in the world of banking are far more important, but not really discussed here, other than the day to day problems of the current system.

Many knowledgeable and informed members seem to have reduced their posting, and their contributions to the better discussions, and I wonder if this is a reaction to the deletion of posts that they may have spent some time in constructing. I don't want to walk away from Bitcoin Talk, as I hope this is a temporary problem, and I am putting together a news site so that I can write a mini-article, and link to it from a post here. Hopefully this will reduce the stress resulting from posts being dumped in the trash can by a mod who may not understand the problem, or be prepared to enter into a discussion about it.

Posts are only deleted because they break the rules. Freedom of speech has nothing to do with it.

If you familiarize yourself with the rules:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0

You will probably never have a post deleted again.

99% of what the moderators delete is low quality nonsense - without mods this forum would be almost unreadable.

That isn't completely true. Posts are deleted based on a mods interpretation of the rules, and it would appear that there isn't a consistent policy. Most mods are responsible, and they rise above the influence of their personal political opinions. It would appear that this doesn't apply to all mods though, and the censorship by the rogue mods can drive away members who may not conform to the mainstream media propaganda controlled beliefs.

Rules help to make the forum free from unwanted stuffs, you cannot expect the forum to harbor a section where anything goes.
Why would anyone want that in the first place except of course if he or she wants to spill out unhelpful stuffs that will not benefit anyone.

Keeping the forum in order and clean is the duty of the mods and it should be applicable in all sections of it, that way we get to see less spam.

Read the rules. Create your own forum and mod it how you like. Problems solved.

Please do not proliferate false information.  Many posts are deleted that DO NOT break the rules. Many posts remain that DO break the rules. Even the rules themselves are not adequate to ensure the permitted flow is optimal. The reader is often left open to all kinds of subjective or observably incorrect garbage just because it fits with the agenda of the majority of thread contributors/mods.
Not that being a mod is an easy thing to get correct but some do intentionally remove relevant on topic posts for their own personal reasons.

Want evidence go view our deleted posts thread in the rep section.

Mods are not impartial. This is not possible when you are human. Still decentralization in the form of bitcointalk decentralization is not something you want to increase. Take a look at the new shiny DT system. That tells you all you need to know. You will just end up with a gang roaming around with no fixed point of accountability and a bunch of ass kissing fools that will agree to anything they say in the hope of some btc scraps or tiny fragment of perceived authority.

You want MORE mods with a STRICT mandate that can be held accountable for their behavior, and a framework that ensure things run as efficiently and optimally as possible.

The problem about this is the scammers and spammers. If the forum wasn't full of them could be possible, but since there is a lot of 'Smart guys' trying to scam people is necessary to have moderation for each section.

If you want a site with the freedom of speech, post or scam, you should try 4chan.

Even in a decentralised platform one must follow rules. Like in blockchain you can't send the same funds twice to two different addresses :P but there the system makes it possible to force you to follow the rules.  

However, in a chatroom without mods or regulations, it will not remain a chatroom for discussion rather a hot spot for all spammers and spammers xD without a mod is like a car without a steering xD

Although spammers have freedom of speech, but there freedom of speech comes at cost of rights of others so that should be exception xD

You can't make an unmoderated forum as a clearnet site due to legal issues. And even if you set up SMF as a Tor hidden service and promised never to do a single moderation action, soon your forum would be 99.9% spam, and all of the real users would leave. Eventually, every centralized site comes to a policy of at best "everything is allowed but spam and illegal stuff". And this is in fact not too far what bitcointalk.org does, though I guess you think that our definition of "spam" is too broad.

If you want a decentralized forum (with all of the spam and other headaches that entails), it's existed for years on Freenet (https://freenetproject.org/).

If this question rise on your mind after getting your post deleted by mods than i will suggest you to think this matter as a moderator. They take every single actions to keep forum clean and much friendly to users. I think you will not like to see any section being full with unnecessary posts. Without moderation its quite impossible to maintain a good atmosphere on forum and its a proven thing. Its better to learn all the rules of bitcointalk and i hope after then you will change your mind about moderation.

One thing you should keep on mind that moderators are here to give you the freedom of speech. If they left forum alone for 1 hour then freedom of speech will buried under the garbage of spamming.   

Best example in the last Days and Weeks are that with the Fake Anns and there Malware download Links .
Just imagine if they had not been deleted from Moderators and normal User just installed the Malware software they use in there download link .
All this Users would be pissed as shit and would be never trust an use the Forum again.
A Forum without Moderators would be only an wild spam and scam Party for others !
And at this Stage an nice respect and thanks to all the Mods , because its sometimes like a full time Job !

Cheers

You can express your freedom of speech without violating forum rules, written or unwritten.

Is it really difficult for you to follow basic forum guidelines even after lurking here for a long time now? You should be used in the forum's environment now.

Even local and small forums are moderated. This topic doesn't make sense. Better considering closing it.

This.
I'm always satisfied by the way theymos replies to even stupid queries like this one with all the logic and proper reasoning.

@OP : Sometimes when you are browsing the forum and you come across a thread of your interest which you're very knowledgable about and you'd see some replies which are so off-topic and makes you believe that the commenter doesn't have any clue of what they're talking about, the first thing you'd want to do is make sure that post is deleted as it's an obvious case of spam. This is where moderation does wonder.

It's easy to answer this question. Let turn back to ask yourself that why do you think we need unmoderated forum?
If the purpose of unmoderated forum is to have a uncontrolled spam forum, yes, the forum is not a place like this, and moderations will be here, definitely, to keep it as clean as possible.
Admin actually took further actions than moderations via staffs, mods, by launching the merit system in January of 2018. The system is a powerful tool to decentralize quality control in the forum. Recent week, such a new born plagiabot is another good tool (it is likely built by community member(s))