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To me, trading seems like its good because you can make consistent income.  Holding bitcoin, you aren't making money even if price goes up. 


Let say a person has $10,000 to trade.  Right now this person can buy 1.1 bitcoin or so. 


To make it simple, let's make 1 btc = $5000.


This person buys 2 btc for $10000.  Im going to exclude the trading fee for this part.


Now the price of btc goes up to say $5500 in say a few days.  The trader now sells 2 btc for $11000.  Fee is 0.25 percent so $27.50 fee.  Now balance is $10972.50.  So at the moment the trader has made $972.50.  Now he watches the price and it goes up to $6000.  Of course he say man if i waited, could made about $972.50 more.  Well he isn't doing anything as the trader now wants the price to drop.  Now let say btc drops to say $5000, then to say $4500.  He now buys about 2.4x bitcoin with his current balance.  Say price stays around that mark for a while.  Then prices goes to $5200.  He then sells all the btc for usd or usdt.  Here, he would make around $1200 or so.  I just estimated the profit here and estimated the fee.  But this person now has a balance of $12172.50 or so.  And btc price is back to the original price it was earlier.


So here... this person has made around $2000 trading btc... while the btc price started at $5000 to start... went to $5500... went to as high as say $6000... but he sold it at $5500.  Then bought it again when price dipped to $4500.  Then let say at the lowest point it went to say $4200.  But as price went back to $5000, he sold it all. 


So a holder... does not profit at all.  Someone who bought btc at $5000.... and have these fluctuations of as high as $6000 and as low as $4200 during this time span made no money.  Let say this person bought btc at 5k and look at the price movements but would not sell at all during this time.  Yet the trader... made around $2000 in profit trading btc here.  Now if price dipped or went down and the trader couldn't sell, yes he is down money.  But unless he sells the btc... he isn't down money.


So wouldn't this mean being a trader is more lucrative than being a holder?  You can make consistent money monthly it seems if btc keeps on fluctuating in prices.  Of course if price keeps dropping, well its hard to make any money since it would be hard to sell it above buy price.


However, people say trading seems to be stressful.  Is it?  I mean, all you are doing is looking at the btc price... it either goes up , down or stays around the same.  Its not like you have to analyze it daily or something... do you agree?  Now let say its altcoins... that would seem like ton of work because you have to research all the coins.  And those coins have high fluctuations no where compared to bitcoin.


So if you trade, should you only trade bitcoin?  Or bitcoin and other big name coins like litecoin, etc?  Should you avoid any coin that is not in the top 20 for example?

Also if you have a lot of money, it seems like you could possibly make mid 5 figures doing this?  Say you have like $250000 in capital.  I mean if you keep buying at x price and selling it a few percentage higher than you got it, seems like you can make 3k here and there.  Or 25k here and there.  Of course you can lose if price drops and never goes up.


But say bitcoin for the year is 5k and went up to 10k.  If someone has 2 btc... and they keep holding it, they made no money until they sell.  If they sell, they make 10k profit.  But wouldn't a trader be making a lot more than 10k ... probably in the 30k to maybe 80k region if they keep waiting for the lows to buy and sell at the highs etc?


Im curious how much money you should get minimum if you want to make say 50k usd a year.  I mean, its probably like 200k at least right?

There's a wrong move in your last part that is why you are thinking that you are not making any profit.

If you have patience you can hold but if there's an opportunity then grab. The price of bitcoin isn't stable there are sometimes ups and downs what you need to do is to focus on buying every time the price drop.

Let's say you bought bitcoin at $5k then the price after a day drop to $4200 your next move is not selling them you should buy more so you should have backup money so that you can buy bitcoin at a cheaper price.

Now, look at the market these days the price of bitcoin keeps increasing so if you keep do this procedure you can make a large profit with your investment.

Don't focus only on bitcoin there are many serious projects out there are good to invest just like Zcoin, Beam or Grin coin some of the coins is not listed on top 20 but listed on top 200.

Hodl is another choice if you can wait for a long time but they are doing this after bear market so that they can buy bitcoin at a lower price. Now those holders are waiting for block halving because as an old price graph every block halving we always see a massive price increase just like 2014 and 2018.

Look at this image as sample

https://media.cryptocurrencyfacts.com/2018/06/Bitcoin-chart-2014-and-2018-compared.jpg

That is why they keep holding bitcoin because they believe that it will happen again after block halving.

Do both things where you do have some stash for long term holds at the same time you are engage on doing some short trades.Profitability would be on both ways.
When it comes to shorter ones then no doubt that traders can really get profits in a short span of time even on gradual basis but if its already being compounded then its
already considered to be decent but for holders patience thing would really be a serious matter.

Apart form bitcoin, Ethereum and the major altcoins like the top 20. Holding atcoiy for along time could result into heavy losses.  Most traders make more than holders. Most projects have gone down in red below tthe selling price and as such, it's a loss holding those coins.

You forgot some important things

Trader needs to put in time. If the price goes up and then down the hodler didn't profit but he also didn't put any effort into it. He could be at work earning money when you are trading.

For a trader to gain more than a hodler there has to be an up and down swing. What if the price keeps going up and the trader sold at 5500 but next week it's at 6000 and then 7? A hodler is making money without any effort and the trader is buying back at higher prices losing money on fees every time.

Same scenario both of them will earn a lot of money if they're hardworking. Traders also could become holders if they should follow the same method of what the holders did. Most importantly they learn how to control their emotions.

This is too hard to answer even if you put many explanation or any analysis you can't still say that being a trader are more profitable that being a hodler. I mean we have different approach on investing, some are trading with good coins and some are trading with cheaper coins and most of us holds bitcoin while many newbies holds shitcoins. So for me, those who make a lot of money are the one who create good decision and strategies no matter what you are, a hodler or a trader it will still depend on your action.

both will be able to generate more profits but I am more inclined to choose trade especially if we have the expertise and ability to trade.

I believe traders will make more profits as long as they are hard workers and have lot of knowledges in trading.It is not easy to be a traders specially if you are day traders as it will spend much of your time in monitoring but its worth it specially if you are trading good coins only.

Its true but its not really that easy to trade. I have been losing money while day trading due the expectation. Though I'm using the charts and indicators, it really isn't as effective as I can see, maybe its just me but I find it very unpredictable. I have to expect the price will drop again to $8,500 before buying back but until then I'm keeping my stablecoin. If it really continues to rise, I'd be moving to another coin.

traders make profit when they are making consistent profits they look for fluctuations while investors dont care about fluctuations there view will be for holding for many days in long run they willl make profits ,

traders story is simple they make profits today and lose another day , making money as trader is difficult than as a investor     

We should add how risky it is to "day trade". Many people will think that day trading is less risk and by putting few dollars they want to make 200 or 100% profits in just a month and at the end lose everything.. Holding is less risk to me and we can see from what happens of recent. We need to be patience for long term in other to make millions from holding and the only way to make this is to select the right coins and invest when is at the bottom and hold for a very long time and you will become a millionaire. No matter how bitcoin get dump and the bearish conditions that prevail last year we can still see that bitcoin has make great progress and you should still be in profits if you are among those that buy bitcoin in 2014 to 2016 ending.

Theoretically the trading will make more money than holder, but it also depends on your skill, make the wrong movement could mean you are going to lose money, and you need to be active in trdaing so you can make money, you can trade whatever coin you like each of the coin got different momentum of rising, alt coin can be more profitable than the top coin

Would it make sense to say trading altcoin probably is the best idea then as oppose to btc?  Because there are huge fluctations?  Of course risk is much higher etc?  Also do most traders in the end keep btc... or it in usd or usdt?  If you do bitcoin or litecoin, it will be in usd and thus fiat.  But if its altcoin, it has to go to btc first... then either stay btc or usdt or going to usd.  What happens there?  Because if you don't trade it for fiat... which is usd... then you aren't really in profit in terms of cashing out.  Because with usdt, you still have to convert it back to btc and then to usd right?


Could you convert tether directly to usd right now without going through btc?  Thus you have to pay another trading fee to go from usdt to btc to usd as oppose to usdt to usd..

If i can figure it out, maybe yes. But it is depends on what money that holders use to make investment. Because holders only rely on their investment and traders can do any improvement with his result every time it can make profit.

Unfortunately, not all traders can do as you said. Many of them are too greedy to make more money from trading, and they don't know when to exit the trading. Besides that, to trade like what you describe, we need to have skills which not all traders have because the traders should know when the time to enter and exit the market so he can be able to make a profit. That will work if we have skills, money, time to analyze, controlling ourselves related to the market.

Yes I think it's true, that being a trader is more profitable than being a holder. But waiting in my opinion it has a different perspective for everyone. For example, like a billionaire kid holding a $ 10 bitcoin and now worth millions of dollars. I think he is a strong holder. source from: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/20/bitcoin-millionaire-erik-finman-says-going-to-college-isnt-worth-it.html
Even though my perspective is more profitable than the holder, it does not mean fully true but it depends on each perspective.

They are both profitable. Imagine buying Bitcoin for $8,000 and selling it at $9,500 and someone buys it at $8,000 and holds till the price shoots up to $10,000 or $20,000. So who will make much money here...the holder or the day trader?

I don't think we can compare like that. Because this financial market always has the struggle to become rich, a profitable trader will make another trader lose. there is always victory in the market.
For the holders, there will be winners when judging correctly and there will be losers in wrong judgment.
we can only compare risk and safety. I think hold will be less risky because it doesn't need too much technical trading knowledge.

I can't make an easy judgement as this would certainly depends on timing and market situation.
Traders always follow the market, they buy and sell based on timing to make profit, while holders are just waiting for the right time for them to sell their assets based on their target, so, if a trader is really successful(meaning he can make lots of successful trades), then I guess he will be more profitable, and that is the condition, and not all traders are successful.

I guess that depends on every individual. How much and when is invested, how long coins are holded or what trading strategy is used.
My general idea is that is always better for Bitcoin to be on the market and not just sit idle in some wallet. So I guess that best option for profit is combination of trading and holding in ideal ratio but everyone needs to find the best strategy that suits his needs.

you righ but when i said how about risk.
trading is make daily or weekly income but have a big risk, if your analisys market is bad you just will take a loss in trade.
holding is just make a little profit but have a small risk on it.
i am a holder and trader, so i do that's all.

first of all there is a difference between "bag holding" and a "long term investment" and "short term trading" these are three different approaches towards the market that should not be  confused with each other and each of them can have a different outcome.

for starters making profit doesn't depend on what you do, it depends on how you do it based on your experience. if you have none, then no matter what you do, you will lose money.

a "bag holder" is someone who usually buys some crap and waits until eternity to make profit. they usually lose 90% of their investment before selling and getting out because they always buy "crap".
a "short term trader" or day trader is someone who rides the fluctuations. this can be very profitable but at the same time it is very risky due to the unpredictability of this market and the high level of manipulation specially in altcoins but if you learn how to for example take advantage of the altcoin pumps, you will be able to  make a ton of money.
an "investor" however is someone who doesn't want to take the risks of trading like losing money to a shitcoin dump. or lose money to an exchange scamming him so he chooses a good asset with a lot of potential for long term and buys that. like those who are buying bitcoin. the key is to find that potential.

in the end you should decide which group you want to be a part of and which one of them YOU can do best to make most profit.

Well, the time and market situation is one of the decisive factors for this problem, in addition, the capacity of each person also determines a lot because traders or holders, if they do not know how to analyze and make good use of the situations they are facing, they will also fail. So it is very difficult for us to correctly answer this question, but if we look objectively, traders will make more money when we can see daily risks that traders face, the volume of risk is too much and the reward for risk acceptance is proportional to the volume of risk

It's a risk of holding when you buy unpopular coins, they are very volatile and could make you los, especially if you keep it for a long
time. I think trading is far more profitable because you can profit repeatedly even in a short time

Depends on the trader, some traders do make more money than holders because they find the perfect spot to sell at the top and buy at the bottom because they are good at trading and they know when it hits the top or bottom. However, some traders do not know the difference between a bottom and a fake bottom or a hype vs a dead cat bounce so they mistake everything together while making big losses.

So, when you hold, depending on how long you can hold you will always make profits, you can even buy at the all time high price and eventually that will be passed as well, that is why I honestly think that bitcoin is the holders coin, if you hold too long and everyone joins you there will be less people selling and there will be a finite amount on exchanges which will also increase the price because we all hold as well.

Not all traders can make more money and even holders too because it all depends on the situation of the market and what would they do. Long term trader can make a profit only if his desired profit met or he sees the right opportunity to sell. While the short term traders are quite harder than long term trader if a trader doesn't have any experience of trading and it is not advisable for newbies to do the short term trading and it is riskier than hodling.

Traders make money very quickly but we cannot surely say there will be more profitable than cold as but if the value of your investment not developed in your future also then the traders make more profit then the holders otherwise if you hold the investment for long time it is more profitable than expectation.

You can trade any coin. For a beginner, of course, it is better to choose coins from the top 20, but if you are a successful trader, then you can trade another coin, if you understand this.

yes, that is absolutely true. But when I have someone lost all due to day trading. Because every transaction you create, there will be certain risks and if you are unlucky, you will lose money.
the hold or trade is the decision of each person. it only works best when the owner understands what area they are good at. If they are good at trading, holding will become meaningless.
If they are good at analyzing and analyzing, hold will be a great choice.

if we courage to take risk , maybe investing in coins outside top 20 cmc will be great decision.but these coins must have atleast $100k so its easy to liquidate when we need money.investing in sleeping giant will give us really huge profits when investors starting join.

Yes in day trading you can make consistent profits and consistent losses as well. That's it. So trading is not better than hodl… it's all about doing what works best for you. I have seen a lot of people who have stopped anything about cryptocurrency and hated it till date because they lost everything they had through day trading. I have seen people who saved money only to end up losing it all in trading. So you just have to go for what works best for you and that's all. If you try to go for trading because you thinking it will make you lots of money, you're just wasting your time and will regret it later. There are people who became millionaires today by just hodl Bitcoin.

Im sure traders earns more than holders alone. Holders doesnt depend on anything except waiting for their coins to rise. This is so time consuming and sometimes end up being loss because of too much waiting. The trader on the other hand sees opportunities on every waves he catches and earn through it in short period of time so they earn bigger than holders.

It depends also on your investment and if you are willing to hold it for long-term and says it can earn by more than expectation and otherwise they selling half of their tokens once the price goes dump and if markets not good condition.

if trader is successful then he will make money and so as if investors or holder are successful he will also make profits what I have seen is many do trading and investing also I would like this to make money and daily profits also investing is easier than trading

Of course, the trader earns more than the holder, but you take into account the risks that the trader is experiencing. He can also lose everything. When one trader makes money, another trader loses his money. This is the law of the market not only cryptocurrency.

Comparison between two in my own opinion and experienced in trading industry its depend on your knowledge and how much money you will invest or starting capital in trading.
Being a trader is not easy but it will profitable if you learn the strategy and being a holder is depend on the amount of money you invest in an altcoin.

Traders cannot always earn a lot of money than holders. depending on how the trader is in managing finances, if the management can be maximal and can process it well, I can conclude if the trader can have a lot of money than the holder.

I am more of a trader. I like money to stay in the action and keep circulating.

You said something that most people know, but I have to say that it is not easy to trade, there are a lot of things that people need to know to do day trade, there are strategies that must be implemented so as not to lose money when doing day trade .

Hold is something very good because it does not create a lot of headache and pressure on the person and the person can do their things in the real world without being all the time on the computer.

That's right, more traders get profits, because every day he tries to sell assets, then play capital again. So if the price of bitcoin falls dramatically, he will not lose.

I agree.Day trading can give us consistent profits especially if the market is in a good condition.It might have bigger risks than holding,but the profit is definitely bigger than long term trading.But with holding,less stress because you won't have to monitor the market all the time and all you have to do is sit down and just wait for the market price to rise up again so you can sell your coins in a much higher price and gain profits.

Trading has got risk while holding is just securing the funds in a wallet and leaving until the targeted price is reached unlike the time period on holding. With trading we need to be very precise in predicting the growth, based on the same buying order should be made. Further it needs to be sold for a bigger price than the buying price. This gives the profit, by this time our predictions can go away from reality. This makes the trade risky, this is how traders make a bigger earning than hodlers.

Yup i agree with you but still you will gain profit if you are holding if you buy the coins on the right price and the good thing with holding is that it is less stressful than day trading. In day trading you can gain profit more but you have to allocate more time in it.

I believed traders can make more money than holders through implementing day trading.
But day trading was only applicable for the experts who really understand the flow in the chart graph
in the actual platform. That's why some of the traders doing scalping in the actual trade most of the time.

Experts and risk takers can enjoy this type of trades as they always take the opportunity to buy and sell with confidence that the market will go according to what they've anticipating the chart movements, if each position went good the amount of profits will more so instead of waiting you can get your expected target in much lesser time.

I am sure traders will get profit from the market moves, and they can start to sell their coins when the price can go up, but in the situations before, I think it's hard for the traders to get profit because the price of every coin has already down deeper. And now, although the price seems to have a good time to increase the price, the price still not moves to a higher price. Maybe later we will see all of the coins can increase together, and that will help us busy to choose what is the next coin we need to sell.

I think both are equally good due to consistence in trading and patience as an investor keeps you on the same track. There will be difference in results but negligible only if you are an efficient trader with good marketing strategies. On the other hand, HODLERS are also very sharp and they invest in a source where the long term trusted value percent is high. You have to show your efforts on both sides for good results.

If the trader is already a professional and using a significant funds in his trading then he may likely make more money than the long term holder. Many of the skilled crypto traders I've known has making a lot of money in their trade with some minimal losses. Long term investors can only make more money by investing their millions in a top cryptocurrency like bitcoin and wait for months or years before earning their profits.

Both will benefit all depending on their expertise and depending on the market situation, and the market plays a role for traders and holders and is difficult to predict.
I prefer holding rather than trading and I do it in the long run without time limit and until the price rises high to get maximum profit.

It depends on the situation of the market, we should consider many factors about the trading profits. Of course, day traders will make very less amount compared because at the end of the day they will make a profit 2 to 5 % on their investment. In some cases, it is impossible to make a profit and moreover, it is impossible for us which way is the best way of making profits.

Those who make a daily profit usually stop at 2% -5% and much lower than long-term investors. This market is becoming more stable and long-term holding can help you earn more than 200% of profit in a very short period of time as long as you have patience. Earning daily profits is only suitable when the bear market appears because it is a time when many coins are highly volatile and if you are not careful you will have a huge loss.

Have holders got profit for at least 2% a day? It maybe not? Thus, we have to conclude that traders make more money that of holders, cause if we sum up such 2% profit a day for just 1 month, will be a big money by then.

Though we consider some factors affecting it but somehow, the higher it risk the more we become profitable.

If holders know to predict the price it can cause a huge profit from them and hold it for long-time. Sometimes it cause a big problem for them if market in bad condition and loss their money with anonymous decission.

For a trader who knows how to trade, I don’t think there is anything really stopping them from practicing both. This market has too many opportunities in it for one to just focus on a particular method of getting money.

What I do most time is to trade with 50 percent of my long-term investment coins while I leave the remaining 50 percent to continue to grow along with the long term investment in other to maximize possible risk.Which I believe one of these Chinese men that lost some great amount of money didn’t consider before following just one trading method. It is safer and best to practice both for those who know how to trade.

Hodlers also find themselves in this situation but they don't care about low prices like the day or swing trader. Day traders look for higher prices than entry price and look for the low price in case of direct short position. Hodlers usually analyze the market bias and accept the trading decision with the market sentiment.

Holding an altcoin at times can make you become a millionaire.

Actually, both ways can really be beneficial when we do it right. be it trade or holding we must still have good faith and research results for profit.

Trading is actually much more profitable, but can only be profitable for those who would handle the trade with an expert hand because it could also be very risky. Long term investment is only good because it has less risk, and that is if the coin invested in is a good one that can be relied on for future profit.

For trading, you can make money so many times within a week or months using those times that the market goes up and down. Imagine someone who purchase Bitcoin at $5000, a long term holding will be having the current value at hand now, while a trader with that same amount would have made x2 of that within that period too if we put into consideration the number of time the market has gone dip and back high.

Likely traders can make more money than the holder but it depends on the success rate of trader not every trader making more money. And also it depends on the capital you are holding and trading with it, when you are holding $1,000 worth of cryptocurrency you are not going to make much by holding it but when you you are trading with it and you are keep making more and more profit it even can turn into $100,000 but as I said not everyone can do this.

Sometimes, this business depends on luck. Even a newbie can get an unexpected profit buying some altcoins and then finding out that these alts decided to go to the Moon. When you hold, you must be sure in the chosen crypto.

Day trading is way more profitable than holding in my opinion . But holding could be more profitable for Whales.
There are numbers of uncertainty in long-term trading that could ruin your holding— price could fall sharply and remain that way for a long time. But with day trading you could profit from the little daily volatility while moving back your profit and part of your coins to a stablecoin.

You could even split your fund between day trading and holding. The holding part works well on weekly basis or for few days—  buy lots of Bitcoin once it is down and sell once it up. then keep repeating this

Provided that you are a professional, yes, you can earn much more than holders, but according to statistics it is the other way around. The reason is that there are very few good traders, working hard, traders can earn a lot in a whole month or a week and then lose 90% of the money earned by making a mistake. Because of this, holders earn more, they make fewer mistakes.

I would say that day trading is a stressful venture in any financial market, everyone who invested money in any financial sector will look for profit and not for its novelty, if you are blind trading then the risk is really high and that is the case with day trading and the safest mode of trading is always buying the coin when the market is down and holding for the long term, less stressful but if you trust that the market will go up eventually you will end up in a profit.

If there is a great project with a great reputable team then i would not care if the coin is listed in the top traded coins, but if you look at the market rarely you would see great projects.

actually, in a case like this there are two factors that most influence how much they get
1. The first is the amount they use
2. The second is whether they often do this

But there are also several factors that can hinder such as the forecast market, the problem on the exchange itself. But usually market forecast which is unstable and volatile become the main problem for both.

I agree, most traders who actively trade has the probability to become successful in their trading career or maybe at part time money making. Holders who choose no trading activity and will trade occasionally, cannot guarantee perfect timing to sell while asset price gained higher price value. Sometimes they tend to consider that a mistake so they'll getting more behind than active traders.

Considering earnings and security, I would prefer dividing your capital into two: holding and for trading. The holding part is for security somehow. As long as the market is bullish, holding is good. The trading part is for active income and mostly dependent on the strategy of trading.

This is the fact that holders think they are safe on that option rather than doing actively in trading which is very risky for them. Risk taker will get a better profit in trading than holder which you patiently wait until the price goes up. Trading is not just easy to make money so be careful on it maybe also this will lead you have been losses from trading. I may advise if you hold the 50% and the rest in trading at least if you fail on trading still there is your holding.

No, no, no. You cannot conclude it just like that.
There are different type of traders and also holders. Short term and longn terms.
Plus, it will be about how you make choices and deciding when you will sell or buy.

Those are mostly traders problem, for most of the hodlers problem is just when to buy more. Hoarding is the key and we still want to buy it for a cheaper price instead of being in a FOMO situation.

Trading needs hard work while Hodling needs a lot of courage.

Depends on what you are trading and depends on what strategy you are using in trading. If you bought Bitcoin last February, your investment by now multiplied 3 times already but if you are trading lets say day trading with a goal of 2% per day result will be the same granting that you are consistent in earning 2% per day including Saturdays and Sundays. Imagine the effort that you will exert just to earn 2% per day.

For me both are equal in terms of profits, yes trader can earn everyday little by little if the price is constantly increasing but may suffer loss if the price went down, as for holders they are not after short term gains they are after the long term profits which can be very big depending on the price, it is like one time big time.

I think that depends on the individual. the convenience of getting profit from trading or long-term investment is the choice of each style. both have their own characteristics with different levels of risk. but the goal is the same, namely to make a profit

Of course yes! Traders are more profitable than holders. Imagine, when you hold you just speculating the price. But if you trade, you take profits. In the end, you can sell it at yhe top together with those who holds for a ling time.
However, there are cases that in a certain coin, hodling is the best thing to do. Just like bitcoin.

i guess so , traders make more money than holders , because they do it constanly rather than holders who just hold it for several time
but also traders have chance to get loss more than holders i guess

in view of profit, I think that happened. it's like returning to investing in something, and it can get worse, or it can get higher. for now, I better hold back what I have, despite the fact that trading is indeed profitable.

It depends on time/market situation I think. sometime Holders can earn huge profit and sometime trader. In bullish market holder can earn huge profit and in bearish market trader can earn profit than holders I think.

it depends not only on market conditions but on trend conditions that can help to make prices move up and down, when like today I see the trend going up and many traders will benefit from cryptocurrency price increases.

It is based on the situation only but no one will say traders is more profitable then the holders because when the development is continuously happened the holder will be more profitable than the traitor that's why everything has the time and situation needed for getting profits more higher than expectation.

both the traders and holders make the profit for good investment but we can I differentiate the prophet while seeing a single person or a group of people profit it will definitely difference for the different people so we cannot predict it very easily.

The successful traders only make the profits more than holders but most of the people will not getting more profits then the holders because they are also being like that so we cannot compared that but they are getting frequent income very little by little and folders make huge profit after sometimes.

  I think this is an open secret that Trading is something that can make you some good money as compared to a stationary holder. For a Hodler, it is the market force and the surge that makes up the value and the surplus money. Traders on the other hand can make daily profits by making use of the volatility of the market. But HODL is a kind of relaxed way of making money if you have no hurries to sell your coins.

Right we can hold when the price is low and we can sell when it will become higher, holding can never give you lose if you deal according to the market movements, in bad conditions simply have to hold and in green you can sell for better result of your investments, with the passage of time price will be higher so now a day it is time to hold.

Only the risk of losing is low but in terms of profit, I may say that traders can  make it  more. I know traders will sometimes hold their coins when they saw that the market is really bad but not to the extend that they will hold it for a long time. But most traders has taking advantage of the market when it dumps by buying more coins in preparation for the pumps which it actually be happen  next and that is a good idea.

making small profits with big frequent will be same amount with holder.traders will take all opportunity that occur in market and liquid them in short term.short term traders usually will get more benefits from market volatility.

do it together and we will gain more profits than other traders.holding and day trading will give us various profits.some traders has strategy , they will use profits in day trading to accumulate their coins asset that used for long term investment.

 yes, traders often earn more money than holders. Because the crypto market is simply volatile and it is not a playground for passive people.
The crypto market always has waves every day to trade, and often has very good deals that can x5 x7 the amount of investment capital.
such as the IEO of Bittrex (STPT) was x7 after being listed on exchange, Harmony was x8 at exchange Binance.

thats right . why done one when you can easily do both ?  its not hard to invest/hodl but its hard to trade though if you can combine both , you can be a money making machine , the only problem of most users is that they can hardly do trade because trading isnt an easy task like i said earlier . it requires good knowledge pertaining to cryptos and many more  , not only that , you also need to prepare a huge amount of capital before you can do trading because exchanges , transaction fees and other fees are verry demanding  .

   Why to care about others if you are satisfied whit your life? People should not rush into something just because you can make more profit, it`s called
greediness. You can find many topics here about it, it`s a wealth-killer.
   I`m a holder and I didn`t make any profit until now simply because I didn`t sell anything. My bitcoins worth more than before, it`s true, but I don`t plan
to cash out and take the profit.

Yes, it is impossible for us to say, who is going to benefit from the coins they are holding. Already we are seeing slowly the prices are recovering in terms of USD value but not in terms of prices. So definitely people who are holding potential coins will always help them to make some decent profit in the market.

I think as long as the traders can trade in many times, their profit will bigger than the investor. They can get a profit from many coins, especially if they have good skills in trading. But not all traders can get a bigger profit than the investor because many traders don't have good skills, and they are only waiting for the higher price to sell their coins.

It seems like that, traders can indeed make money at any time but because they have to buy again after selling, the net profit earned is only a few percent of the sales they make. So I think traders do make more money than holders, but that doesn't mean holders only make a little money, because we know holders don't only have one or two coins, they have lots of coins to hold so in this case the holder can produce lots of money and it all depends on each individual and you can do both to get better, but that is a choice.

If talking about the benefits is relative, maybe in our expectation that a trader is more profitable even though behind it all is quite difficult to determine the OP, it requires good skills in reading this unpredictable market.
I think the principle of each person is different, if they are holders, it means he believes that being a holder is more profitable without having to feel stressed. And if you become a trader, it means that he must be able to process money, analyze, etc. So everything depends on each principle, and it is equally beneficial. Not always as good a market as you predicted above, sometimes traders are confused to choose the location of the OP, because he is not a fortune teller.

I think equal opportunity is always there for both strategies, it now depends on which of the strategy that both of the traders applies to such trading choice for them to have a maximum profit. I would not say a trader will completely make more, because there will always be challenges for a trader that will limit his ability to trade maximum profit.

 it is not every pump opportunity that a trader is able to catch, and we know that without a trader buying dip, there is no way he can make profit and not every time the chance is always there too for him to buy at dip, we also have to consider the waiting time factor too to make executing decision.

I believe that those who trader, they are hardworking and know much about trading. They will earn more profit regularly if the market tries to understand. If you are a trader of the day, it will spend most of your time looking for it but its value especially if you are trading only good coins. Holders will have to wait a long time. Whether there is no guarantee of profit or not

It is true that trader can make more money than holder, there can be a regular income from trading but problem is trading is not everyone's cup of team. Trading is not that easy, if anyone knows the right entry and exit point he/she can be millionaire in few months. Taking trade is easy but managing it very hard.All these skills are not required when you are holding something for a long time. Traders make more money but holders are more in numbers than traders as trading needs high experience with art of taking and exiting the trade at the right time.

Great point, it all depends on what we are good at, there are some people that will trade from now till everlasting and never make a single profit, while some will trade within few seconds and make lots of cash. We also have some people that holding does not favor, the only great thing about holding is that provided you buy at low price, the value will always increase to give you profit.

Look at people that held their coin some years back, they are already counting millions of dollars that a trader can never make. It still all depends on the time and season, every season has what is best for it, we just need to understand the season and know which strategy to apply.

I think both are good, staying with individuals who do it. everyone has a different style, so they are looking for comfort to get profit. if the amount of profit earned, just how do the perpetrators run the strategy

I think it all depends on the market as well. If you are a trader during the bull market buying and selling is a bit risky because you may buy at 7 and sell at 8 and rebuy at 9 which would mean you lost that 8 to 9 period yourself and the holder bought at 7 and sold at 9 so they are in more profit.

However, if it is on a bear market then the trader can make more money because they can buy at 9 and sell at 8 and rebuy at 7 which means they dropped the average however the holder bought at 9 and sold at 7 which lost them money. So, instead of how good a trader is or when the holder bought the coins at, its more about how the market is doing, if it is bull then holder is better in my opinion and if it is a bear market then the trader will be in more advantage thanks to making less loss.

This could vary from person to person and might also depend on the initial cost of investment of a trader and a speculator. If the initial cost of investment of a speculator or a trader is low, they might have the benefit of making more money. However if it is high in case of a trader, they might not make as much money as someone who has been holding since long would.

I think traders earn more than what holders do. Traders can cope up with the market in any situation with their skill. But a holder just wait for the dump to buy then sell when it pumps. Traders decide how the market moves. Without them holders won't earn profit.

Traders can sure make more, especially for the day traders.
I am a holder and a trader at the same time, but I cannot say based on experience that I make more since I'm not consistent enough yet.
I need to improve my trading skills first so I can be profitable, but I would still choose to hold and trade at the same time.

I'm opposite. Holders make more than trader. When trader only make small amount of money, the holder can make multiple times higher than trader did in long term. But that's just work if you invested and hold legit coins

Make it more potential if you deal with both style, holding precious projects and trades those continuously moving for short term deals, it's tough and not that easy as you need to observe which practice will bring you good incomes, there's some traders who can bring more when dealing with short term trades as skills gives them better entry and exit positions.

It will always depend to the traders, if the trader is a professional one who knows what he is doing like he can predict the move of the market then he can surely profit more in trading compare to holders.

But if you are not a professional trader yet then it's best that you will study it first while holding some coins and proceed to trading once you are already ready.

Yes for sure. Although, I feel that a lot of this depends on the actual investment. But if we just look at the percentage of profits, it is for sure better with Crypto trading (https://cryptolinks.com/cryptocurrency-exchange) and it is much safer, simpler and easier. When we do holding, it just makes us stuck as by chance if we get into the bearish trip, it is a major waiting game. It is not good for anyone. So this is where and why we have to be extremely wise with how we go about working and only that way we will benefit.

Of course you won't make a good trade if you are not as experienced as it is.Trading is really more profitable than just holding your coins and wait for a huge price increase.You can make consistent profits in trading if you are able to take risks in day trading but if you are just starting to learn in trading,better to just continue holding your coins and research first the basics in trading.

Trading can be really more profitable if the price does not change much, and such cases have happened that the cryptocurrency rate grew by 200-300% and remained at this level for a long time, and the trader needs to move both up and down

In my opinion, don't put all the eggs in one basket. If I have 10k, then I will save 5k in bitcoin or other top ten blue-chip coins (ETH, BNB or other) and I will use the remaining 5k to do trading activities. With market conditions that are currently improving, both trading and holding provide benefits. Trading or holding that gives a better profit? All depends on your expertise in trading or choosing the right coin for holding.

I believe that professional traders can make money in any situation, but those who are not expert in trading can find it difficult to make money in difficult situation.

Being a trader or being a holder certainly has its own advantages and disadvantages, if we become a trader we can determine the selling or buying price that we want, but for sure we also become a holder to achieve that price.

That's the problem with 2017 or even with 2016. Anyone who bought anything then would have not only made profits in 2017 and early 2018, but incredible amounts of profits. It made everyone money as long as you traded in usd, but even against btc most alts profited. That hid a lot of the true facts such as the fact that most people bought out of no other reason than fomo.

The true character showed as markets began sideways trading, then people realized how shitty they were at predicting trends.

  If we choose to be holder, we need to have bigger patience compared to a regular trader. Traders who had day trading tend to decide quick than long term holders, that's why it cannot be determined which of them really earned well. Most importantly I consider it the ups and downs of their financial goals as well.

as adviced you can move 40% of your portfolio to the exchange for trade and save your some profit. The two strategy has its benefit, more also big volume trade tokens are advice-able for trading, while buying dump tokens or from ICO can demand a longer hodl. Everyone with its strategy

The fact is that today there are quite a few varieties of cryptocurrency trading.  There are margin trading and daily trading, and in each case, the trader receives the status of a good profit, if he really is a professional.  The owner expects his finest hour for a long time, until he sees a good price for his coins, and a trader can only trade much more for the difference in price.

If you count the number of times a trader misses the chance to sell when he has the opportunity, you will find out it is better to be a long term holder than a trader.

It is not every trader that has huge capital to use to trader, and only those who uses very huge capital could say that they make money more because a little rise in the price of the coin they are trading could make them so much money, but talking about all these petty traders, it would be better to just keep the coin in the wallet for it to grown than to trade with it because they end up losing more than they get in trading.

I do understand the strategy of traders but in the long term most of the holders will make a huge amount of money compared to traders, they will follow the market according to their technical analysis but some times they need to face some challenges, but for holders, they won't bother the market situation they will sell them when their holding started increasing.

Actually holders and traders are the same but the time that they hold is large that's what the difference is. By doing trade that means you hold those coins until you reach specified price in order to get money. Actually this is a stupid question I would say.

This is a purely individual question and will depend more on what kind of cryptocurrency the user has, they behave differently and predict how best to trade, it is best to consider the long-term period with elements of medium-term trade

Maybe that's true, but they can also make more loss than those who are holding. If you are someone that just wants to hodl, you can buy at the lowest price and wait for the price to reach its highest and when it does you will be making lots of profit. In day trading you're making your profit/loss daily, but in hodl you will need to have a lot of patience and wait till the price goes up before you have your profit.

If you can't have patience you won't be able to make any profit. Take for example, if there is someone that bought Bitcoin earlier this year at the rate of $3300 and today price has gotten to $10806, that means you just made a profit of extra $7506 in just few months. Both trading and hodl works, you just have to choose what will be easy for you to do.

I trade and I hold. If you ask me what brings me more money, I can`t tell you without good thinking and a lot of calculating, cause I lose money too, I invest and hold some wrong coin, or simply day for trading wasn`t good and I lost a lot of money. But there are moments when money comes from trading and holding.
Don`t ask who make more money, and how he do it, find your own way.

Every person has different characteristics as well as holding and trading in the market. If you hold, You will have to buy at a lower price. Hold on lower prices, whether it is understood that if the market falls or high. Holding is therefore the most risky. Trading is the same condition. Every time here prices can fall and grow. In this case, we can verify the market and see it as well. If you are not aware then stumbling is normal. Let's say it, Traders are more profitable than Holder.

That's right, because the owner will invest his money for a long time, until the price of his cryptocurrency doubles or more.  and the trader for all this time can only earn much more from price fluctuations.

What is the percentage increase that these coins do witness in a day for a trader to make more than an holder, the opportunity may be there, but not all traders can really take advantage of the opportunity, there are just very few traders that are making money day trading, consider that a trader cannot even be on the system 24/7, and the time the market will show positive may not correspond with when the trader will be available, and such trader will have to even apply profit taking tool, and may set the tool to take little percentage, so if you consider all these factors, you will see that there is still no much difference between a trader and holder when it comes to profit.

Well i look at it like this.  If you aren't trading, you can't make money consistently.  Thoughts on that?  Seems like one should be doing both? 

I think there are also instances that traders are more profitable than hodlers. In fact, many times that we can see the market moving in sideward or stable at one place. A holder cannot easily withdraw his money specially if the capital does not gain more than 30%. I believe that holder will sell their coin 2x the value they are holding, so that they can be a one time big time trader.

My answer is yes, if you are a day traders you can able to earn a lot compare to holders. But there is also risk involve for day trader unlike on the holders there is no risk that I can see, it is actually very minimal. But you can still also get earn big if the coins you hold is really promising I guess.

May I ask you, are you 100% sure on your trading knowledge? If you're not an expert, why not manage your funds to lessen risk, 50% for trading and 50% on hold, this way you can maximize more profit because even a veterans trader also loss in trading.

It depends on your trading skills.
If you're good enough, you can make more money, but it is harder totake bigger movement

Very few can have the talent and skill to be a crypto trader. A trader can earn more money than an altcoin holder if he knows what he's doing. The movement is very fast in trading, so he should have time, patience and skills to successfully accommodate such activity. But if you prefer a laid back life, be a long-time holder of good coins instead.

I think yes, but by trading it also has a greater risk I guess, because by trading continuously you will spend more money and not guarantee also by spending a lot in crypto trading will get a good return too. So being a trader and also a holder must at least have good skills.

trading will take daily volatility.for experienced trader they will take alot of opportunity from this volatility , but it also have high risk if we make wrong position.so in daily trading we have to dicipline with our plan and risk management to avoid negative floating for long time.

What you are demonstrating is too complicated and long, for both a trade or hold they have to look at the market every day for their information and strategies, so both of them can be stressed, I'm upset for those who say "Hold and go to sleep until rising prices" are actions for those who are willing to waste their money anywhere and that is careless. Trade make more money? it is only a possibility because they often run on fluctuations, once again not make more money but the opportunity to make more money

BTW that is main things that will holders do. Because they always not really care about their investment, usually they already prepared for loses and will make action in time they already set up. If me i will agree if holders said that we must hold and go sleep until price rising.

As you can see in your case, the amount of money invested is very important when comparing. When not only this factor but also other factors are ideally compared, we can reach a definite conclusion. But I would like to make an explanation for the interpretation through logic without technical analysis. If the market is actively operating with a certain volatility, the trading trader will certainly earn more money, but if the market is trading with low volatility then the long-term investor has the opportunity to make more profit.

Great question!

In short, people who are actively trading in the markets that have the skill to yield consistent results will surely make more than an average holder. This does come at a cost..

Holding Bitcoin does not take too much skill, and requires very little time and effort to set up a hardware wallet.

On the flip side, trading takes years to become consistent and requires you to actively manage capital. You will sink an enormous amount of time, effort, and energy into learning how to trade. You will lose money throughout your journey, and it is a tough road to go down if you are unprepared for the ups and downs associated with being a trader. The first 6-8 months is the most challenging (in our opinion).

For the right people who are hard-working and determined, it can be worth every ounce of energy because it can become a very lucrative business. People are trading cryptocurrencies for a living right now! It's a career; it takes time to learn, but once you have the ability to pull consistent profits, it has basically unlimited leverage-ability. What do I mean by unlimited scalability?

You make a trade with a 5% gain in 1 hour:
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  $1,000 X 5% = $50
$10,000 X 5% = $500
$50,000 X 5% = $2,500

You only worked 1H, yet you can make almost as much as you want (if you have the capital).

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It depends. If you have a lot of money and not yet ready for active trading as soon as you have another job or business, you can invest a lot on the most-trusted cryptocurrencies, hold them, and finally, when the market Moonrises, get your returns.

If you are an active trader, you can get profits regularly, probably not so much, but it satisfies most active people ready to work with crypto.

Yes,whenever the volatility is high the traders make more money but the price need to swing up and down with high price range or else holding will simlpy do all the works without any efforts.

Fluctuating price usually attracts more day trader to engage the current opportunities they got by means of active day trading. They knew how to handle trading with definite actions in order to make money regardless huge or small profit. Holders didn't think that way, but they always prefer of gaining profit by growing it very long and expects much bigger returns in order to make money.

it's deepened on actually which coin you trade and which coin you are holding. It's completely too much hard to say that trader earns more than holders and holders earns more than trader. But in my thought holding is more secure than trade. Just we need to make sure that which coin we holding it'll blow crypto market in future.

Well, if you can trade so well to guess predictions, of course it will provide you with far more profit but holding is a little bit riskier and in most cases more beneficial than trading. There are a lot of people who trade and lose but there are also a lot of people who hold and instead of lose, they win because in overall price of bitcoin rises. In trading you hope to get some profit from daily activities which includes exchanges.

Winning in holding or in trading is really a case-to-case basis. Not all people know how to trade and they are better off with holding. But holding a certain altcoin will only be profitable if you are choosing the right ones. Whereas, in trading you can gain a lot if you know the ins and outs of crypto trading. So it really depends on what type of crypto user are you.

Exactly. Imagine holding a coin for a long period of time and then suddenly the price of that coin dropped. Its either you continue to hold on to it and pray that the value of that coin will bounce back or sell at loss and look for another opportunity. If you are a day trader, this scenario can be avoided because after hitting your goal, you sell right away.

This is why there are really times that holding too much can lead into losses instead.If you are a Hodler then better be wise and think always on when to exit when you are already on profits.

There are both pros and cons of being a trader and a holder.

Being a trader is more risky than just holding your coin but the profit will be higher if you are a good trader. High risk = high reward as they say so being a trader make more money but the risk is higher too. This is the reverse of being a holder. The risk are lower but the reward will be lower too. In conclusion, traders make more money compare to holders.

I think someone will not be a holder if they don't know what they are doing, right?

I think most of these holders are the ones that are so busy and can't focus on trading. Instead, they will just hold the cryptocurrencies they have and wait for a good time to sell. Not all of the people here can do a day to day trading since with the volatility of the cryptos, and with a lot of traders having an effect to the prices, you should always be aware of what you are doing.

You could try Options trading instead of just HODLing in a highly volatile market. You have a chance to make higher reward too.

I'll give you a simple 1 week scenario.

It's Monday. BTC @ 10k

You buy a put for 1 BTC @ 9k expiring on Friday for $100
[if BTC falls below 9k, you can force someone to buy your BTC at 9k]

Wednesday, BTC flies up to 13k. You won't get stopped or liquidated. You are fine. Keep sipping your cocktails.

Thursday, BTC flies down to 7k. Still not your problem.

Friday, BTC settles at 8k at 4pm Singapore time. (For Sparrow Exchange)

Your profit is: 9k (strike price) - 8k (settlement price) - $100 (cost of premium) = $900

$900 profit from using $100. 9X return.

Yes, I agree with you. There are always pros and cons of being a trader and a holder. In trading, it always depends on what crypto are you trading and holding. So if its the same crypto and same amount, I think it will come to your skills, analysis and also situation. Trader focuses every minute to make sure they can profit more, but holders are not, at the same time they might busy in other things and less focus on the price of their cryptos.

I think holders will earn more money than holders.
You will certainly wonder that many traders earn a lot of money during the time I hold but why do I say I earn more money?
first of all, I don't just hold 1 coins and especially I don't spend all my time trading. I take the time to analyze and explore new projects, potential projects that can make my portfolio increase by 300% - 500%.
Besides, I am not as stressful as traders, it is also another benefit of the holders.

Looking at a simple way, trading is really more risky when we are forced to move continuously, predict and find opportunities to make money, hold without so many actions, we just need to maintain patience and at the right time, the results will be perfect. However, in recent years, the general evaluation of many people who have experienced participating in crypto, they almost feel holding has become risky, when the value of altcoin has changed very abnormally, if unfortunately, losing almost assets is easy to see, trading is probably easier to control when we manage every day

You maybe wrong OP.
According to you a trader makes more money?
But i would say that, it's always not the safe.
Sometimes or the other, the trader chooses the wrong coin for which he makes losses.
It's better to be safe and earn little profit, by holding stable coins.
Their prices don't fluctuate a lot.
Hope you understands now.

Not sure, because being a day trader will be frustrating because day trading will continue to monitor market movements because if not like that day traders will not have the right time to buy and sell. Therefore, being a trader and holder also does not guarantee that it will produce good profits because to achieve a certain target at least there will be pressure from many factors.

In both trading and holding, there are risk involved. But personally I prefer holding than trading since trading has to do with interpretation of graph and a lot of technical analysis unlike holdling

Thats a wise choice you made, if you can't interprete those graphs nor do you understand technical or fundamental analysis, then trading isn't for you, you'll be better off buying and holding for a while to see what becomes of the price.
The thing is neither of them is more profitable than the other, what determines that is how well either the trader or the hodler goes about it, learning(for the trader),and knowing when to sell(for the hodler)

Holding is actually safer than trading but to be sincere with us trading is far profitable than hold. You will need smartness and patient to make it in trading. If you are new in this market it is better to buy bitcoin or ethereum and keep holding until it gets to your desired profits. Trading is for the experts and professionals and I will advise you to avoid it if you don't know how to interpret price patterns.

Basically these traders or daily traders made more money instead of holders, because of using many profitable and fast increasing coins. But it's not eeasy for them to manage it actually, some fall on losses rather than gaining. Significant issue includes, market downturns and possible slow volume of trading exchanges that badly occurred for such a long time during bearish period.
For case to case basis, holders won't encounter that scenario but struggles is there while waiting for so long.

Trading involves far more work, more risk and more cost from the bid offer spread and possibly the use of a trading account.   Leverage also costs money, holding is quite simple and is only 1 transaction in sum total.
   The preference will always be for the holding of currency over a certain period of time.   However its very hard to call exactly a period of time you know Bitcoin will rise, I try to spot larger trends and bullish eras to Bitcoin pricing.    We could very well be in that era now, one of the factors I look towards is the dollar index and its trend towards making new highs or lows.   People wont like this exactly but I go as far as referring to Federal reserve policy, as to lowering or raising interest rates for an indication in loosening in dollar hard or soft policy.   This isnt trading but it gives a backdrop to the likely action favoured.  
   After you spot the larger picture, you can try to indentify the trends occurring that should confirm this bias to expansion or contraction of standards like Bitcoin or similar.  I think we are expanding Bitcoin as a monetary base and alternative to Dollar currently.   Of course the news has a possible crack down on Bitcoin easy of use, its never all one way.  

  I honestly think holders make more money so long as they are in the right area, trading is better paid work and should return better if you are skilled but trading should involve lower amounts then possibility to hold and call a larger picture.
  Due to compound effects, trading should show higher returns for shorter periods of time but in sum total holding a long trend is how riches are made.  Bitcoin has grown exponentially, holding was the smart trade.

The best of traders as compared to pure holders, the traders will win in terms of profit. They are traders, after all! They work and work regardless of whether the market is bullish or bearish. While others are resorting to holding due to very high uncertainty and solid red in the charts, the expert traders can still see gains. They can smell green amidst blood. But of course, only those who have acquired and honed their skills to the extreme. Those half-blooded traders like me would rather stay safe and HODL.

Only if the traders are good. Otherwise if you arent a smart trader you're better off holding.

I agree with those who think or have experienced that trading gives more profit than holding. But, yes, trading is sometimes stressful. I take a off and work on my strategy or completely work on something else. That usually happens either when my betss go in loss or multiple profitable bets followed by a loss.

I think it is wrong that we must only trade bitcoin, There are lot of altcoins out there were we can make profit.
Even the coins is not belong at the top 20 we can still able to get earnings. Then, the rest of your statement was quite true and
correct. So for me Traders or Holders are just the same in terms of getting profit so it doesn't matter in which of these two are
make more money.

For active trading, daily trade, use one or two coins would be easy to manage. While the other good coins, the top 20, are good for long term trading. Bitcoin is so fluctuate and it can reach a wide range in daily basis. That is why I prefer to trade bitcoin against fiat.

Always be like that, the users who will decide whatever trading practice that will suit to their position, making money around this market can be done both ways, some do short trade and earned decent while others are trying to maximize the profits so they will just continue holding and wait for the blowout and harvest the full benefits.

There is no big difference except the timeframe and money management. Long term traders check the monthly charts in 2 weeks but day traders check the H1 timeframe in every 3-4 hour.  Making money is an arguable depending on the experience and trading strategy specifications. Day traders take advantage of the hourly market movement, throughout the time, swing traders come back to check the new price illustrations on H4 timeframe.

It is possible for traders to get money faster by trading because trading can do many transactions depending on the opportunity, but if you hold it, it takes a long time depending on the time specified

Holding and trading both is different things. Traders are getting benefits instantly but holders are getting benefits slowly. Traders might lose huge but holder might not lose if they hold till recover fund. So traders are at on risk more than holders. If holders have enough patience they no need to lose fund. Also this is applicable for traders. Hold and trade both run on different way. Eventually I want to say, traders earn more than holders it's true, and traders are losing more than holders this is also true. Because someone always losing other side on the trading.

I tell don't worry about her price. If you have enough money you buy and keep it safety store after you will forgotten it. Btc price up and down but after time you seen that it price highly increase. Other if you have enough knowledge about coin you can trade and make more money. Trade is risky so I tell you buy and hold it.

Traders can make more money that long term holders but with the same ease that they can win them, they can lose it as well.
Hodling is something safe and profits are ensured,due to the volatility of the market. If you are trading, a wrong call can make you lose everything in a blink of an eye. It's similar to gambling.

That will depend on how good that trader skills on selecting the coins at the market. Without having good skills to detect the profitable coin, a trader cannot make a profit, and they will not make more money than holders. Sometimes, holders make more money because they can hold a big amount of one or more coins and once the price increase, they sell their coins at a higher price. The traders could trade on those coins, and if they don't have skills, their profit will be less than the holders.

Holding also must have the skill to choose coins that can move up in the future if choosing the wrong coin that is not active the demand is less then the price will not go up it can actually go down

You are quite right a hodler must not just buy any coin without researching and skillfully spotting the potentially pumping coin whose chances of going up is bright I believed majorities of newbies hodlers will dwell much on buying btc and eth which require no skill for hodling.
I also agreed that skillful traders do make money consistently than hodlers while deploying their strategies taking profits with some losses irrespective of the condition of the market whether bullish or bearish a trader makes money while a hodler might even wait for a very long time to make money due to the unfavorable condition of the market.

I have always believed that a trader has a lot more profit than any other participant in the cryptocurrency market.  Although even in previous years, investors could make a very large profit and quickly enough if the ico company ended quickly and the coins soared several times in the market.  But for traders you still need to have a lot of experience and a large amount of start-up capital in order to immediately get a good income.

What do you mean by weekly and  monthly trading buddy? If you buy a coin and you intend to hold for a month I will refer to such situation as a short time hodl and should not be regarded as trading.

Just to give my two cents with the argument. From what I know early adopters or the ones who have bought and mined Bitcoin during its early stages are the most likely to be the one who are called whales now. They are not called early adopters for no reason then believing in Bitcoin during its time when nobody even knows about it. They became instant millionaires just by hodling it for 9 years and have made more compared to any stocks in any market today. But if we are talking about the general people here it still varies on each trader and nobody really has an edge to anyone as it depends o  what they really earn from it.

Trader made money more than holders when there's a good market for every coins. But it's not a continuous process to have and sometimes there's a problem which will occur. Trading volume will not be good all the time, it might fall down. Holders will only suffer waiting but not knowing their asset increase at very expensive value.

It is very easy to apply basic logic here:

(a)  hodl requires zero skill, in fact, the total inability to make a decision is considered positive

(b)  successful trading in any financial market requires elite skills

So now the question is... do elite professionals make more money than zombies?

I think it's hard to judge that way. You can make more money if have idea and much experience about what you are doing. Now you invest on a project and hold there coin and you don't know that they are scammers you loose other hand you start trade without proper knowledge you loose you money again. So you can earn more money if you have such a good experience.

Did you have a strategy when you get lost from your trading and you keep your asset and move the strategy to hold? I often to use this strategy. This is what I like when I become a cryptocurrencie trader rather than forex trader, I don't need to sell my asset if my strategy gone wrong and I keep it and hold it until the price come back to up. So, for strategies to trade in cryptocurrencies you don't only know a lot about technical analysts and fundamental analyst, but more than that you have to know and control your patience because it is really needed.

Literally investors are making more money than any kind of crypto related people because investors are not doing any effort other than giving their money to buy cryptocurrencies. But a share trader can only make profit in short term and it might we spend in very short time as well so in long term we are not going to have anything and our pocket.

It is not the hodlers, not the traders making profit. The profiting takes place with reference to the market prediction. There were users who have profited big through holding and trading, along side there are people who have missed their profiting through trading and holding.

With trading when the prediction amd the reality coincide the user will get profit, and if the prediction about the market goes away from the reality automatically it'll cause loss or the user need to maintain patience until reaching the targeted price.

With holding profit happens without any effort, but on just keeping it safe on the wallet. Here too hodlers miss opportunity of profiting expecting for bigger growth or holding with time target even when the price reaches the peak value.

You won't risk to hold coins if you don't have large amount of money. Traders trade day by day because they urge for profits. They want to gain much money in order for them to sustain their life. But I think that in terms of chance to get profits, traders have the chance to make profits.

Depends on the trader skill and motivation and how bhuge capital they have make profits, we know holding of huge amount of bitcoin is profitable incase bitcoin goes increase their price but need patiently attitude to get this profits holding for long term. So for me trading and holding is both profitable, I suggest grab the opportunity where do you get increase funds depend of the skills and knowledge have and time availability is very important to do this.
Trading in a different coins most specially came from the top altcoins is an opportunity to to get earn buy and sell using bitcoin.

I am a holder and a trader at the same time. And base on my own experienced, both are profitable the only difference is that a hodler can get huge profits from waiting for the "huge" pump. While as a margin trader, bear or bull trend will always be profitable. If you do not want to be stressed out, choose to be a long term holder. Remember that hodling is the only choice we have especially when we entered at the high price. Lol

More reason I will agree that traders or a trader make more money than the holdrs because, those who actually commit themselves into day trade make daily earnings while a holder will hold until there is profits before he or she sell off the portfolio or portfolios. This can take months or a whole year before there will be profit, I have been holding and had not.made enough profit yet.

I am a trader starting with 10BTC, and now I have 5BTC left. :D

Well that hurts.. :D :D did you start trade with btc or alt coin/token. .? I also started trade with btc and altcoin both 1 year ago and now i have literally nothing. Last year was really bad time for trade. :( :( Hope upcoming years will be bring good news for us. There is some good projects are coming and hope they will rise up in the future.

I only know the information that truelly professional traders works all year with a different markets, i mean they use Bitcoin short and long position at the same time.

Well what about those ppl who traded in 2017?  Those ppl made a lot of money by buying and then selling right?  But the rest of us are just holding still?

Goodluck. Market uptrend, everyone can see crypto trading is easy. When the market goes down, everything becomes extremely difficult.  :( :(

Trading is massively more risky then holding for sure it is.  In some cases the only profits available are from out smarting other speculators and the game is net sum zero (https://www.investopedia.com/terms/z/zero-sumgame.asp).    Investment by its nature is a productive enterprise and net gain game for all involved.
   What this means is though you can still lose money by holding and investing, the overall average is a net gain from involvement in productive industry.     A good business will return profits both to society and to investors who support and enable that good business.

By far investment is the best long term choice for the plain population.   Trading however is a short term speculation that can yield far greater profits from its requirements being far higher also, risk, effort, fees are all likely greater.   Its also more likely to lose on average, the trick is to never be average but to be the best trader and you will make alot if anywhere near the top.  Most of us need to be realistic and realise investment is the better choice and trading is a rare skill and job to hold I think.    Do what you do best is the lesson every student should be taught, this is the best path for profit imo.

Right, though it is through that you can win more in trading most especially if you have the right strategy to do it. Trading should be done with concrete plan and strategy that will minimize your losses and ensure your wins. Holding on the other hand can also give big profits depending on the price you buy and sell your coins, if let's say for example you bought it at $3,000 and you hold it until the price reach it's ATH then big jackpot as well. It mostly depend on the investor if he prefers holding or trading.

Good thing with trading you can earn quantity of coin unlike when holding you are only earning the value of the coin therefore it is better to trade because you can earn most of the time but trading requires more time than holding.

As for me, it's almost similar since to get profit as a holder – you should invest a huge amount of funds. The same rule is for the trader. When you're playing with big amounts you can get a lot as well as to lose almost everything. Everything depends on what do you prefer, that's all.

Holders will be a trader at point. Trading in your term is taking profit on regular occasion by selling high and buying low on shorter period. Traders that consider multiplying bitcoin will be more efficient this year and the price fluctuation has been so rewarding if one is capable of learning what is required. The greed level in the market is now mostly exploited. I wish i have the risk capacity for the trade.

My opinion is that if a person is not sufficiently disciplined and prone to excitement, then trading is not recommended. It is better for such people to choose instruments for investing in the long term and not try to trade, because often the excitement and lack of a systematic approach lead to the liquidation of the deposit.

It all depends on the specific person, the coins that he chooses, his strategy and market situation.
But it is possible to say for sure, it is more profitable to have all the necessary knowledge, experience and skills. All this will give you the opportunity to earn in any way.
Personally, I combine constant trading and holding. In my opinion, this is the most correct approach.

Anyone can make money by trading, as long as you have proper risk management.

You can combine holding and trading by purchasing futures contracts: https://www.bitmex.com/app/trade/XBTZ19.

Go long, use cross margin and keep your liquidation price under $7k.

Man if you hold Dash, IoTeX, BTC2, Veil, or any other staking coin you can earn a lot just with holding/staking. Trading is risky from the start, in any moment you can lose what you have, your amount can start to shrink if you get into couple bad trades. With holding you don`t have such problems, staking is the safest way to earn something with the lowest possible risk.
And in the end, both are profitable, which one more depends on several factors, how much you invested and what kind of set up you are running.