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Title: Satoshi IP address Post by: TheWolf666 on July 26, 2019, 02:32:50 PM The admins at Bitcointalk should have several IP addresses from Satoshi, because the IPs are saved in the logs. They are in the Database somewhere!
Why not revealing them? Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: BitcoinFX on July 26, 2019, 02:39:51 PM The admins at Bitcointalk should have several IP addresses from Satoshi,because the IPs are saved in the logs. They are in the Database somewhere! Why not revealing them? According to Theymos, Satoshi only ever used Tor to access bitcointalk.org - logs do exist, although they have yet to be made public. Source / Reference ... ...snip... I found a source as follows but theymos might have changed his mind.. I'll probably release Satoshi's PMs and logged IPs addresses in ~8 years. This'd probably be of great historical interest. (Though he always used Tor, as far as I can tell.) Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: TheWolf666 on July 26, 2019, 02:50:30 PM The admins at Bitcointalk should have several IP addresses from Satoshi,because the IPs are saved in the logs. They are in the Database somewhere! Why not revealing them? According to Theymos, Satoshi only ever used Tor to access bitcointalk.org - logs do exist, although they have yet to be made public. Source / Reference [citation needed] asap. I would be interested in eventually check if these IP are all Tor related. With so many Satoshi popping up to get the Nobel price, it would be useful to at least prove the vague location of Satoshi, if possible of course. That would be a very interesting thing to study... If someone having access to the DB of this forum can extract them and send me in a message, I will produce a report and publish it. Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: hakka on July 26, 2019, 02:51:05 PM The admins at Bitcointalk should have several IP addresses from Satoshi,because the IPs are saved in the logs. They are in the Database somewhere! Why not revealing them? According to Theymos, Satoshi only ever used Tor to access bitcointalk.org - logs do exist, although they have yet to be made public. Source / Reference [citation needed] asap. I found a source as follows but theymos might have changed his mind.. I'll probably release Satoshi's PMs and logged IPs addresses in ~8 years. This'd probably be of great historical interest. (Though he always used Tor, as far as I can tell.) Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: TheWolf666 on July 26, 2019, 02:52:39 PM The admins at Bitcointalk should have several IP addresses from Satoshi,because the IPs are saved in the logs. They are in the Database somewhere! Why not revealing them? According to Theymos, Satoshi only ever used Tor to access bitcointalk.org - logs do exist, although they have yet to be made public. Source / Reference [citation needed] asap. I found a source as follows but theymos might have changed his mind.. I'll probably release Satoshi's PMs and logged IPs addresses in ~8 years. This'd probably be of great historical interest. (Though he always used Tor, as far as I can tell.) Rhaaa, so frustrating... @Theymos, please release them! Yes these would have a HUGE historical interest. Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: simpleIPaddress on July 26, 2019, 02:57:32 PM The admins at Bitcointalk should have several IP addresses from Satoshi, because the IPs are saved in the logs. They are in the Database somewhere! Why not revealing them? Bitcointalk = Satoshi Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: jak3 on July 26, 2019, 03:14:55 PM There is no way you guys can make any use to that 2008 IP address now. and considering how much cool the idea is bitcoin system you can not expect him to be not anonymous. I mean he was literally making a thing which will be the definition of anonymous payments. but also considering that nobody is perfect and everyone leaves some of their marks on the internet so does satoshi will. and having all the possible information is worth a try.
Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: BitcoinFX on July 26, 2019, 03:19:48 PM The admins at Bitcointalk should have several IP addresses from Satoshi, because the IPs are saved in the logs. They are in the Database somewhere! Why not revealing them? Bitcointalk = Satoshi Indeed. One interesting angle that I was investigating, in this regard ... - http://www.hosterstats.com/historicaldns.php?domain=bitcointalk.org - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5151045.msg51381164#msg51381164 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5151045.msg51379174#msg51379174 Note: Registration's prior to these server / domain migrations are also possible ... ;) Can't post the links here at present, but if you search 'related' IP, domains, dns and server 'registrations' via the wayback machine etc., one thing that I noticed is that multiple instances of the 2008 and/or 2009 data is 'missing', when it is otherwise present for pre / post years. Remember: GeoIP often changes year on year etc., (having MaxMind GeoIP data from 2008, 2009 helps) however, what my research does tell me is that all of this was done to cover ones tracks from the offset! It is an unlikely coincidence. Did we expect any less from 'Satoshi'? ... Also see here: Whois Satoshi? Known Satoshi IP addresses? ... - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5155191 Clearly more 'lies' from CSW though! ... "Finding (Not) Satoshi" ... is/was a Cypherpunk game! Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: mk4 on July 26, 2019, 04:47:25 PM He shouldn't no reason to, I think everyone needs to let the man have his privacy. While I agree with you, I think it depends on what the messages actually contain. If it's something harmless like messages about Bitcoin or about Bitcointalk, basically anything that's nowhere near it being sensitive information(which I heavily doubt Satoshi ever gave sensitive information about himself), then I think it should maybe be fine? It's a no for me with the IPs though, even though I'm 100% certain that Satoshi used Tor/a proxy/a vpn. Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: BrewMaster on July 26, 2019, 05:14:35 PM Why not revealing them? then why stop there? why not release the information this site sees from all other users. lets start from you, bitcointalk should release your IP address among other things including browser fingerprint,... Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: dothebeats on July 26, 2019, 07:43:28 PM Guess we'll never know satoshi's real IP address, given the very nature of Tor he so often used when frequenting this forum. Granted that theymos released the logs for satoshi on the next 2 years (which is highly unlikely, IMO), it might not be of any use to us now knowing that there are loads of IP addresses existing and he could have chosen somewhere far from where he actually was, but I'll agree that it's somewhat of a relic now should we ever see it.
I myself am intrigued to know where could satoshi possibly be in this world when bitcoin was only starting. Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: Oilacris on July 26, 2019, 07:57:26 PM The admins at Bitcointalk should have several IP addresses from Satoshi, because the IPs are saved in the logs. They are in the Database somewhere! If theymos reveal such information then it turns out that he can reveal anyones location if he'd liked too.Instead on getting praises on such revealing act,there would Why not revealing them? really be those people that oppose when it comes to privacy matters.IP log tracing is possible but as said Satoshi do make use of VPN so its still pointless. Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: eaLiTy on July 26, 2019, 11:55:36 PM I would be interested in eventually check if these IP are all Tor related. With so many Satoshi popping up to get the Nobel price, it would be useful to at least prove the vague location of Satoshi, if possible of course. Your argument for weeding out Satoshi is to prevent the Nobel prize committee to present it to a fake person ::). Satoshi never really cared about all those lures and accolades, all he ever cared was about his privacy and if people like you never bother to grant him what he wants, first you be the example and provide all your IP details and the rest of the identification details and then ask for the details about another person :P.That would be a very interesting thing to study... I am sure admin is smart enough to hide the necessary information even if he is hidden under a TOR and never reveal that in any sort of situation even it is for a noble reason. Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: omone1 on July 27, 2019, 09:08:01 AM Good reasoning in trying to know little about the person of Satoshi. Well he couldn't have exposed his IP, he much more smarter than this, all he does was to think about every possibilities and block all traces.
Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: freedomgo on July 27, 2019, 09:29:55 AM The admins at Bitcointalk should have several IP addresses from Satoshi, because the IPs are saved in the logs. They are in the Database somewhere! Why would they do that? This forum promotes anonymity regardless of who that user is, and do you think Satoshi is stupid enough to reveal his location through an IP?Why not revealing them? Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: Dreamchaser21 on July 27, 2019, 09:44:45 AM Stop hunting for Satoshi, we have to respect his decision for being anonymous just like what you want. If Satoshi made himself appear in the public then I believe its the right time for him. There are so many IP addresses in this forum history and I believe it can't still reveal any identity.
Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: o_e_l_e_o on July 27, 2019, 09:56:24 AM It would be very surprising that someone who went to so much effort to remain anonymous, and obviously had a sound grasp on how to do so, would be so careless as to log in to the forum from his public IP address and give other users the ability to view those IP addresses. Regardless, there was another thread about this not that long ago, where theymos stated he had changed his mind since the 2013 post which is quoted above:
I've rethought this, and I won't be releasing the PMs in 2021. I'm convinced that nobody will ever identify Satoshi no matter what info comes out, so I'm not worried about that, but I am concerned about the privacy of those who communicated with him. For example, kiba once said that he tried to send a gift to Satoshi, but Satoshi declined (reportedly saying something like "I already have plenty of BTC"). If the PMs for this exchange exist in the database and hypothetically look like this: Quote kiba: Hey, I know it's worth peanuts, but do you want a gift of 10k BTC? satoshi: lol, no thanks scrub Then it would put a big target on kiba's back. (This is only a hypothetical example: in reality, kiba never published the amount he offered Satoshi, if any amount was even specified.) Even if I screened the PMs in advance for obvious stuff like this, it's impossible to find everything. Eg. maybe someone who talked to Satoshi was trying to be anonymous, but people are able to find him just based on his writing style or knowledge. I do think that there could be historically-relevant info in there, so maybe if Bitcoin has taken over the world in like 50 years and historians are clamoring to know more about its history, I or my successors could be convinced to revisit the issue. Or maybe not; don't get your hopes up. (I still haven't read the PMs, BTW; maybe they're all really boring.) TL:DR? Come back in 2068 and ask again. :D Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: Nadziratel on July 27, 2019, 10:20:42 AM I think you've forgotten something. Like the blockchain, satoshi created this forum. What makes this forum unique is Satoshi's footprints.
Do you think that a clever person like satoshi didn't think about it and take precautions? Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: Lauren Smith on July 27, 2019, 10:10:31 PM If Satoshi becomes know then bitcoin is dead. It defeats the entire purpose and reason for bitcoin. If the creator cannot stay annonomous the currency has failed.
I don't understand this fascination with finding out who Satoshi is. Who cares really? Why not revealing them? then why stop there? why not release the information this site sees from all other users. lets start from you, bitcointalk should release your IP address among other things including browser fingerprint,... The IP doesn't really mean anything. Someone else could be using that line now. People move all the time and login from all kinds of places. Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: JPSelzer on July 27, 2019, 11:33:36 PM I don't know why, but I really don't like the fact that people are so fiercely trying to reveal Satoshi's identity. I understand that many would like to talk to him and ask him a lot of questions, but if he is alive and still has not told us who he is, then maybe you should not try to find out. Maybe he has his reasons for hiding.
Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: K21000 on July 28, 2019, 04:17:47 AM Satoshi used tor at all times when interacting with the bitcoin community back in 2009-2010. Very unlikely satoshis real IP address was ever captured.
Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: Pffrt on July 28, 2019, 04:22:23 AM With TOR browser, users IP address is encrypted, thus, it is impossible to trace the entry node and exit node. It's certain that he never used his real IP address other than TOR. Thereof, releasing his IP will not have much information towards revealing his identity.
Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: Herbert2020 on July 28, 2019, 07:57:25 AM If Satoshi becomes know then bitcoin is dead. It defeats the entire purpose and reason for bitcoin. If the creator cannot stay annonomous the currency has failed. i think you are very confused about the "purpose" of bitcoin! it has never been anonymity and nobody has ever made such claims specially the creator (Satoshi Nakamoto). in fact bitcoin is the most transparent currency in existence. all it provides is privacy. and the "reason" for creation of bitcoin was to cut the middle man aka the centralization. Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: adaseb on July 28, 2019, 08:33:35 AM So many Satoshi post's today all of a sudden in many of these sub-categories. Wonder why?
One common trend is that I find that whenever there is a huge Bitcoin bubble, everybody starts to go for the hunt of Satoshi. It happened in 2013-2014 when they found that old guy living in California which had the name Dorian Nakamoto. And during Q4 2017 bullrun there were many posts about "Who is Satoshi". And now history repeats, BTC hit $14K about a month back and everybody wants to find the whereabouts of Satoshi Nakomoto again. I honestly don't think he will ever be revealed. Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: Eraldo Coil on July 28, 2019, 08:54:32 AM The admins at Bitcointalk should have several IP addresses from Satoshi, because the IPs are saved in the logs. They are in the Database somewhere! Why not revealing them? Why not revealing them? Is that even a question? Why not let him use his privacy instead of seeking his IP address? There is a reason why he is using tor to access this website at the first place and he even used a screen name to hide his identity. Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: slaman29 on July 28, 2019, 09:02:34 AM I think you've forgotten something. Like the blockchain, satoshi created this forum. What makes this forum unique is Satoshi's footprints. Do you think that a clever person like satoshi didn't think about it and take precautions? Satoshi probably did underestimate one thing, however, and that is how people would just go wild with different theories totally irrational and yet totally accepted by people. That Craig Wright thing for example, just how many people are loving the idea and not questioning anything. This is all helping him cover his tracks by misdirecting people from the real information! Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: ethereumhunter on July 29, 2019, 09:58:45 AM I don't think Satoshi will use his real IP to access this forum. I think every people who are familiar with the security will prevent someone to track him by using VPN, proxy, or hiding using other people IP connection. Trust me, that is hard to find where is the real Satoshi lives and his IP address because I am sure he will hiding his IP and from where he connected to the internet.
Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: BitcoinFX on July 30, 2019, 08:38:22 PM If Satoshi becomes know then bitcoin is dead. It defeats the entire purpose and reason for bitcoin. If the creator cannot stay annonomous the currency has failed. i think you are very confused about the "purpose" of bitcoin! it has never been anonymity and nobody has ever made such claims specially the creator (Satoshi Nakamoto). in fact bitcoin is the most transparent currency in existence. all it provides is privacy. and the "reason" for creation of bitcoin was to cut the middle man aka the centralization. "Finding Satoshi" is half the fun, no? Show me a Satoshi Nakamoto posts which states otherwise! I'm a staunch privacy advocate myself, thus why allow impostors or impersonators to have all the fun ... ..."No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honor and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks."... ..."Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers."... ..."Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author."... All excerpts from; United Nations, Universal Declaration of Human Rights. ... Responsibility vs Right to Privacy. or perhaps; - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_privacy vs - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_be_forgotten (or privilege to be remembered !?!) ... This is how we end up with this kind of industry nonsense; YouTube's 'Bitcoin and Friends': Why Satoshi Should Never Be Revealed ... - https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-interviewed-by-cointelegraph-head-of-news-molly-zuckerman vs Civil War ... - https://youtu.be/isCh4kCeNYU :-X ... Whois Satoshi? Known Satoshi IP addresses? ... - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5155191 Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: Artemis3 on July 30, 2019, 09:07:06 PM The admins at Bitcointalk should have several IP addresses from Satoshi,because the IPs are saved in the logs. They are in the Database somewhere! Why not revealing them? According to Theymos, Satoshi only ever used Tor to access bitcointalk.org - logs do exist, although they have yet to be made public. Source / Reference ... ...snip... I found a source as follows but theymos might have changed his mind.. I'll probably release Satoshi's PMs and logged IPs addresses in ~8 years. This'd probably be of great historical interest. (Though he always used Tor, as far as I can tell.) All you are going to get is IPs from old tor exit nodes. The whole point of using TOR is so that people can't get your IP to begin with... Which reminds me, was there ever access to this forum as a hidden service .onion address? Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: BitcoinFX on July 30, 2019, 10:08:01 PM The admins at Bitcointalk should have several IP addresses from Satoshi,because the IPs are saved in the logs. They are in the Database somewhere! Why not revealing them? According to Theymos, Satoshi only ever used Tor to access bitcointalk.org - logs do exist, although they have yet to be made public. Source / Reference ... ...snip... I found a source as follows but theymos might have changed his mind.. I'll probably release Satoshi's PMs and logged IPs addresses in ~8 years. This'd probably be of great historical interest. (Though he always used Tor, as far as I can tell.) All you are going to get is IPs from old tor exit nodes. The whole point of using TOR is so that people can't get your IP to begin with... Which reminds me, was there ever access to this forum as a hidden service .onion address? Indeed. (I'm someone who has hosted many Tor .exit nodes (in the past) for a number of years ...) No. There was never any hidden service .onion address for bitcointalk.org - to the best of my knowledge. An alt. forum account of mine (i.e. me) actually hosted what can be described as the first (public) Bitcoin addnode=.onion:8333 service for Bitcoin. Here, ... Thanks once more for your help theymos. That's eliminated all error messages with Tor. Now have a stable set number of connections mostly within .onion land ;D Our Bitcoin node should be up 24/7 except for an occasional server restart. Bitcoin only Tor .onion address: bxfna6fhddpzduck.onion ...snip... P.S. I am not Satoshi Nakamoto either. But lots of folks here have (seemingly) lied to you and tried to cover things up ... - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4630066 Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: Nhebu on July 30, 2019, 10:35:56 PM The admins at Bitcointalk should have several IP addresses from Satoshi, because the IPs are saved in the logs. They are in the Database somewhere! What if the Satoshi in bitcointalk.org is not the real satoshi? I have my own theory because I think there is a possibility that Satoshi username can made by anyone of us. If it will become real, Satoshi will be appeared and tell us that he is the owner of that username. Anyway, we don't need to investigate him anymore because he already let us use his invention. Why not revealing them? Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: Youghoor on July 30, 2019, 11:58:25 PM I really don't get it why people are eager to know the identity of Satoshi. If he wanted his identity to be known, he would have added it to the bitcoin whitepaper. There is no way anyone here can find the identity of Satoshi. He planned to stay non-known, lets just accept it like that..
Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: meanwords on July 31, 2019, 01:31:18 AM Why not revealing them? then why stop there? why not release the information this site sees from all other users. lets start from you, bitcointalk should release your IP address among other things including browser fingerprint,... Yes! this is just ridiculous. Why would people want to invade Satoshi's Privacy at this point when he really wants it the most. At this point, members are like paparazzi trying to convey the secrets of a missing person for years. Though it's interesting, it's not good to release someone's IP address to the public. As an admin of the forum, he has the reason to not release the IP address of a person. Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: Darker45 on July 31, 2019, 03:33:31 AM Why not revealing them? then why stop there? why not release the information this site sees from all other users. lets start from you, bitcointalk should release your IP address among other things including browser fingerprint,... LOL! Bull's eye! Of all the users here, it is Satoshi's that the OP wanted to be released to the public. Such betrayal of Satoshi's advocacy for anonymity. Bitcoin is designed to protect personal information and now we're trying to dig deeper, releasing sensitive information in the process, to compromise the identity behind the pseudonym. I would be interested in eventually check if these IP are all Tor related. With so many Satoshi popping up to get the Nobel price... How much? ;D Kidding! Perhaps it is about time the Nobel Prize be given to one who is beyond the physical human individual, and make history. Satoshi is an idea. Let the prize be given to it as it is. Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: Slow death on July 31, 2019, 05:41:33 AM Satoshi must have his reasons for remaining anonymous... let's look at this news:
Live: Crypto, Blockchain Hearing at US Senate Banking Committee (https://cointelegraph.com/news/live-crypto-blockchain-hearing-at-us-senate-banking-committee) and now imagine what would happen if today the true identity of satoshi were discovered? Imagine what would happen if the true identity of satoshi were discovered 5 years ago? or 7 years ago? the guy wouldn't have peace with these politicians, courts and regulators Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: Artemis3 on July 31, 2019, 03:57:15 PM Why not revealing them? then why stop there? why not release the information this site sees from all other users. lets start from you, bitcointalk should release your IP address among other things including browser fingerprint,... LOL! Bull's eye! Of all the users here, it is Satoshi's that the OP wanted to be released to the public. Such betrayal of Satoshi's advocacy for anonymity. Bitcoin is designed to protect personal information and now we're trying to dig deeper, releasing sensitive information in the process, to compromise the identity behind the pseudonym. I would be interested in eventually check if these IP are all Tor related. With so many Satoshi popping up to get the Nobel price... How much? ;D Kidding! Perhaps it is about time the Nobel Prize be given to one who is beyond the physical human individual, and make history. Satoshi is an idea. Let the prize be given to it as it is. They probably are old tor exit nodes, but we are talking 10 years ago, IPs do change... I doubt satoshi would let pass any browser fingerprinting. Even i as a mere user knew back then that could fool that by making your browser look like one of the top popular browser/os combination while actually using something quite unique. Back then something windows 7 internet explorer or such you could send to the http server, its not rocket science you know, there are even add-ons to do that, and at some point it was needed for some idiot (bank) sites that would reject decent os/browser combinations because the webmaster couldn't imagine people not using windows and internet explorer... And this is assuming those 10 year old logs are still kept. And if i was satoshi, i would have probably used a live distro (from read only optical media) anyway, connected via tor, not unlike what Tails (http://tails.boum.org/) does by default. That way, at the end of the session turn off the pc and all traces are gone. Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: Nnuego on August 03, 2019, 08:49:32 AM How can you reveal the IP address of someone you don't know about. Do anyone of us knows whose Satoshi is? Talk more of revealing his IP address. Let's leave Satoshi alone and focus more on legality of bitcoin
Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: o_e_l_e_o on August 03, 2019, 09:41:20 AM How can you reveal the IP address of someone you don't know about. Do anyone of us knows whose Satoshi is? Because Satoshi founded this forum and has/had an account here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3. Given that the forum logs the IPs of everyone who uses it, the IPs Satoshi used to connect to the forum will be logged somewhere and available to the admins, if they so choose to examine them. However, theymos has previously stated he will not be releasing any personal data linked to Satoshi, and even if he did, there is pretty much a zero chance that Satoshi connected to the forum using his own public IP, and not via Tor or similar.As an aside, you can see your the IPs used by your account in the last 30 days here: https://bitcointalk.org/myips.php Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: myipaddressis@ on August 03, 2019, 12:40:41 PM How can you reveal the IP address of someone you don't know about. Do anyone of us knows whose Satoshi is? Talk more of revealing his IP address. Let's leave Satoshi alone and focus more on legality of bitcoin You see my IP address is 194.246.144.190 in Germany. But I'm not in Germany and that is not my IP address. Title: Re: Satoshi IP address Post by: coin-investor on August 03, 2019, 01:48:03 PM The admins at Bitcointalk should have several IP addresses from Satoshi, because the IPs are saved in the logs. They are in the Database somewhere! If theymos reveal such information then it turns out that he can reveal anyones location if he'd liked too.Instead on getting praises on such revealing act,there would Why not revealing them? really be those people that oppose when it comes to privacy matters.IP log tracing is possible but as said Satoshi do make use of VPN so its still pointless. I think Satoshi have foreseen that this is going to happen in the future, he has kept his privacy successfully on many cases, I'm pretty sure he knows that he can be traced using an IP so he is likely used a vpn and a TOR to log here, he started the privacy thing, right, so he is a master of it. |