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Title: bitcoin buy prices | Coins.ph vs Abra
Post by: mk4 on August 10, 2019, 05:48:19 PM
-- Data --

Coinmarketcap(CMC) price: ₱593,224
Coins.ph buy price: ₱605,388
Abra buy price: ₱601,365

Pricepoint: August 11, 2019 | 01:30 AM GMT+8 (Philippine time)
within a few seconds apart between platforms(possibly with small price fluctuations)

-- Buy Price Differences per 1 BTC --

Data Sources|Price Difference|Percentage Difference
CMC vs Coins.ph|₱12,164|2.02%
CMC vs Abra|₱8,141|1.36%
Coins.ph vs Abra|₱4,023|0.67%


Been using both services for a while. Nacurious lang sa difference ng dalawang leading bitcoin services sa Pinas in terms of price markup.

tldr; pag bumibili ng malalaking amounts of bitcoin, peer-to-peer or otc is still the best option dahil sa fees.


Title: Re: Coins.ph vs Abra: bitcoin buy prices
Post by: rosezionjohn on August 10, 2019, 06:08:08 PM
Parang mas malaki agwat ng Abra at Coins ngayon ah. Medyo matagal ko na din hindi tinignan pero dati around 2K lang diperensya.

Paano tong thread na to? Daily monitoring ba ng price?
I would assume na selling price yung posted price, hindi din ba ilalagay yung buy rate?


Title: Re: Coins.ph vs Abra: bitcoin buy prices
Post by: mk4 on August 10, 2019, 06:18:46 PM
Paano tong thread na to? Daily monitoring ba ng price?
Nope. Kinompare ko lang buy prices between platforms sa isang price point. For general knowledge lang.

I would assume na selling price yung posted price, hindi din ba ilalagay yung buy rate?
Buy rates ung prices na indicated(edited main thread for more clarity). Currently wala akong BTC sa Abra so hindi ko ma-check ung sell price.


Title: Re: Coins.ph vs Abra: bitcoin buy prices
Post by: rosezionjohn on August 10, 2019, 06:34:11 PM
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Okay, salamat sa paglilinaw. From my previous monitoring, mas mahal ang rate ni coins kapag bibili ka kumpara sa abra pero mas mataas din naman ang rate sa coins kapag mag-cash out na. Nasubukan mo na ba cash in sa abra then cash out sa coins?


Title: Re: bitcoin buy prices | Coins.ph vs Abra
Post by: Ranly123 on August 10, 2019, 11:55:42 PM
-- Data --

Coinmarketcap(CMC) price: ₱593,224
Coins.ph buy price: ₱605,388
Abra buy price: ₱601,365

Pricepoint: August 11, 2019 | 01:30 AM GMT+8 (Philippine time)
within a few seconds apart between platforms(possibly with small price fluctuations)

-- Buy Price Differences per 1 BTC --

Data Sources|Price Difference|Percentage Difference
CMC vs Coins.ph|₱12,164|2.02%
CMC vs Abra|₱8,141|1.36%
Coins.ph vs Abra|₱4,023|0.67%


Been using both services for a while. Nacurious lang sa difference ng dalawang leading bitcoin services sa Pinas in terms of price markup.

tldr; pag bumibili ng malalaking amounts of bitcoin, peer-to-peer or otc is still the best option dahil sa fees.

Mas Mahal pala buy price ng coins.ph kaysa sa Abra. Anyways, gaya din ba ng coins.ph yang abra at may app din siya? Gusto ko Sana subukan pero di ko alam pano yang abra eh.


Title: Re: bitcoin buy prices | Coins.ph vs Abra
Post by: Rufsilf on August 11, 2019, 12:34:17 AM
-- Data --

Coinmarketcap(CMC) price: ₱593,224
Coins.ph buy price: ₱605,388
Abra buy price: ₱601,365

Pricepoint: August 11, 2019 | 01:30 AM GMT+8 (Philippine time)
within a few seconds apart between platforms(possibly with small price fluctuations)

-- Buy Price Differences per 1 BTC --

Data Sources|Price Difference|Percentage Difference
CMC vs Coins.ph|₱12,164|2.02%
CMC vs Abra|₱8,141|1.36%
Coins.ph vs Abra|₱4,023|0.67%


Been using both services for a while. Nacurious lang sa difference ng dalawang leading bitcoin services sa Pinas in terms of price markup.

tldr; pag bumibili ng malalaking amounts of bitcoin, peer-to-peer or otc is still the best option dahil sa fees.

Mas Mahal pala buy price ng coins.ph kaysa sa Abra. Anyways, gaya din ba ng coins.ph yang abra at may app din siya? Gusto ko Sana subukan pero di ko alam pano yang abra eh.

Oo mahal ang rate ni coins kung mag buy ka pero mataas din naman ang rate nila kung e cash out mo. Oo nga parang gusto ko din sya e try, coins lang kasi alam ko na exchange eh wala ako masyado naririnig tungkol sa Abra, parang dito ko lang din sya nalamat may nag mention ata before dito but di ko sya pinansin kasi di ko alam kung ano sya eh.


Title: Re: bitcoin buy prices | Coins.ph vs Abra
Post by: meanwords on August 11, 2019, 02:05:48 AM
Curious lang ako. May nakapag-try naba dito ng abra wallet? Since may thread na din naman na nabanggit ang abra, mas safe ba mag store ng Bitcoin doon? Nirecommend kasi sakin ng kaibigan ko yan dati kaso mas sikat ang coins.ph. Although maliit lang ang difference, gusto ko parin ma-try kung sakaling mas maganda siya kaysa sa coins.


Title: Re: bitcoin buy prices | Coins.ph vs Abra
Post by: mk4 on August 11, 2019, 02:33:21 AM
Curious lang ako. May nakapag-try naba dito ng abra wallet? Since may thread na din naman na nabanggit ang abra, mas safe ba mag store ng Bitcoin doon? Nirecommend kasi sakin ng kaibigan ko yan dati kaso mas sikat ang coins.ph. Although maliit lang ang difference, gusto ko parin ma-try kung sakaling mas maganda siya kaysa sa coins.

Ang structure ng wallets ng Abra ay non-custodial, so it should be safer kung alam mong istore ng safely ung recovery seed mo. Though since ung recovery seed ng Abra wallets ay sa Abra wallet rin lang pwede iimport, stick to open source non-custodial wallets like Electrum parin. Wag mag iiwan ng funds sa exchanges gaya ng coins.ph unless throw-away money lang.


Title: Re: bitcoin buy prices | Coins.ph vs Abra
Post by: samputin on August 11, 2019, 05:33:20 AM
Curious lang ako. May nakapag-try naba dito ng abra wallet? Since may thread na din naman na nabanggit ang abra, mas safe ba mag store ng Bitcoin doon? Nirecommend kasi sakin ng kaibigan ko yan dati kaso mas sikat ang coins.ph. Although maliit lang ang difference, gusto ko parin ma-try kung sakaling mas maganda siya kaysa sa coins.
Actually, na-install ko na ito before kasi na curious din ako kaso hindi ko ang first impression ko sa kanya ay bad. I don't know why, probably because of the interface o sadyang prefer ko pa rin talaga ang coins.ph. Anyway, kahit medyo mataas ang gap between buy and sell ni coins.ph ay gusto ko pa rin ito because of its other features like rebates on buying load and payment services :).


Title: Re: bitcoin buy prices | Coins.ph vs Abra
Post by: NavI_027 on August 11, 2019, 06:20:13 AM
Anyways, gaya din ba ng coins.ph yang abra at may app din siya? Gusto ko Sana subukan pero di ko alam pano yang abra eh.
Yup! You can download it directly on Play Store (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.plutus.wallet&hl=en&referrer=utm_source%3Dgoogle%26utm_medium%3Dorganic%26utm_term%3Dabra+wallet&pcampaignid=APPU_1_b7JPXcvpLtOGoASD4YCoCA) or download the apk on Apkpure (https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.apkpure.com/abra-bitcoin-xrp-ltc/com.plutus.wallet/amp). The same lang naman siya sa iba pang wallet existing pero I still prefer coins.ph. Natry ko na rin ito matagal na panahon na kaso hindi ata Segwit ang address na gamit dito AFAIR that's why I uninstalled it. Mas maganda pa ang Mycellium para sa akin :).


Title: Re: bitcoin buy prices | Coins.ph vs Abra
Post by: GreatArkansas on August 11, 2019, 10:20:57 AM
Wala ba talagang KYC sa Abra? Kasi sa coins.ph meron, at sabi ng coins.ph dahil requirement daw ito sa Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) Philippines. So pag ganyan, dapat kasali din ang Abra kasi nag ooperate din sila dito sa Pinas.

Kasi nakasubok na ako sa Abra mag buy and sell ng Bitcoin, lalo na pag diretso ito sa Bank account mo, yun lng malayo talaga diperensya sa price kompara sa Coins Pro which makakatipid ka talaga pag sa Coins Pro.


Title: Re: bitcoin buy prices | Coins.ph vs Abra
Post by: Bttzed03 on August 11, 2019, 10:39:52 AM
Wala ba talagang KYC sa Abra?
According to this reddit post (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/60ktu5/psa_kyc_required_on_abra_app_theyll_tell_you_only/) in 2017, nangunguha ang Abra ng dagdag na verification pagkatapos mag-deposit to ensure the safety of user's funds daw.

According to this 2018 article (https://bitcoinexchangeguide.com/abra-cryptocurrency-investing-app-says-no-kyc-identification-requirements/) naman, wala daw talaga.

Kung sakaling wala nga talaga, magkakaroon din yan sooner or later kagaya ng mga ibang palitan na may fiat/tether pairing.



Title: Re: bitcoin buy prices | Coins.ph vs Abra
Post by: finaleshot2016 on August 11, 2019, 11:07:29 AM
Wala ba talagang KYC sa Abra?
According to this reddit post (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/60ktu5/psa_kyc_required_on_abra_app_theyll_tell_you_only/) in 2017, nangunguha ang Abra ng dagdag na verification pagkatapos mag-deposit to ensure the safety of user's funds daw.

According to this 2018 article (https://bitcoinexchangeguide.com/abra-cryptocurrency-investing-app-says-no-kyc-identification-requirements/) naman, wala daw talaga.

Kung sakaling wala nga talaga, magkakaroon din yan sooner or later kagaya ng mga ibang palitan na may fiat/tether pairing.

According to the Founder of ABRA, Bill Barhydt.
Quote
No KYC if depositing Bitcoin Litecoin or Ether

Nagtataka rin ako kasi US based din yung platform nila which is required din ang KYC sa US, mas lalo rin sa atin. Can someone clarify this?
I know it's proven na legit pero bakit hindi nasisita ng SEC yung mga ganitong simplified trading platform?


Title: Re: bitcoin buy prices | Coins.ph vs Abra
Post by: Bttzed03 on August 11, 2019, 11:25:56 AM
According to the Founder of ABRA, Bill Barhydt.

Quote
No KYC if depositing Bitcoin Litecoin or Ether

There it is. No KYC for crypto deposits pero kapag fiat deposit kagaya ng claim sa reddit post, may KYC.




Title: Re: bitcoin buy prices | Coins.ph vs Abra
Post by: jhonjhon on August 11, 2019, 11:33:48 AM
Wala ba talagang KYC sa Abra?
According to this reddit post (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/60ktu5/psa_kyc_required_on_abra_app_theyll_tell_you_only/) in 2017, nangunguha ang Abra ng dagdag na verification pagkatapos mag-deposit to ensure the safety of user's funds daw.

According to this 2018 article (https://bitcoinexchangeguide.com/abra-cryptocurrency-investing-app-says-no-kyc-identification-requirements/) naman, wala daw talaga.

Kung sakaling wala nga talaga, magkakaroon din yan sooner or later kagaya ng mga ibang palitan na may fiat/tether pairing.

According to the Founder of ABRA, Bill Barhydt.
Quote
No KYC if depositing Bitcoin Litecoin or Ether

Nagtataka rin ako kasi US based din yung platform nila which is required din ang KYC sa US, mas lalo rin sa atin. Can someone clarify this?
I know it's proven na legit pero bakit hindi nasisita ng SEC yung mga ganitong simplified trading platform?

Nakita ko sa tweet na kinonfirm ng founder na no KYC at tsaka global din daw pwde gumamit ng up ang need mo lan dito is download mo yung app nila mag deposit ka ng pera, u can use bank acoount or coins and then after nun pwde kana agad mag buy & sell ng stocks or kay coins.


Title: Re: bitcoin buy prices | Coins.ph vs Abra
Post by: Rufsilf on August 11, 2019, 11:38:46 AM
Wala ba talagang KYC sa Abra?
According to this reddit post (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/60ktu5/psa_kyc_required_on_abra_app_theyll_tell_you_only/) in 2017, nangunguha ang Abra ng dagdag na verification pagkatapos mag-deposit to ensure the safety of user's funds daw.

According to this 2018 article (https://bitcoinexchangeguide.com/abra-cryptocurrency-investing-app-says-no-kyc-identification-requirements/) naman, wala daw talaga.

Kung sakaling wala nga talaga, magkakaroon din yan sooner or later kagaya ng mga ibang palitan na may fiat/tether pairing.

According to the Founder of ABRA, Bill Barhydt.
Quote
No KYC if depositing Bitcoin Litecoin or Ether

Nagtataka rin ako kasi US based din yung platform nila which is required din ang KYC sa US, mas lalo rin sa atin. Can someone clarify this?
I know it's proven na legit pero bakit hindi nasisita ng SEC yung mga ganitong simplified trading platform?

Nakita ko sa tweet na kinonfirm ng founder na no KYC at tsaka global din daw pwde gumamit ng up ang need mo lan dito is download mo yung app nila mag deposit ka ng pera, u can use bank acoount or coins and then after nun pwde kana agad mag buy & sell ng stocks or kay coins.

According sa article na nbasa ko tungkol dyan, hindi talaga sila nag ask ng KYC para makapag start kang mag trade basta pag after mo sign up tas deposit tas after few clicks e start kana, sabi sa article na walang personal information na nakalagay sa kanilang system at hindi nila ni require yun kumbaga ung mga private keys lang hawak ni user para sa kanilang assets and nothing more.


Title: Re: bitcoin buy prices | Coins.ph vs Abra
Post by: Clark05 on August 11, 2019, 02:37:43 PM
Yan ang ginagawa ng karamihan if bibili sila ng bitcoin peer to peer para makatipid kung malakihan ang transaction na gagamitin mo.  Pero kung maliit lang naman maaari mobg gamitin ang coins.ph kung minsan talaga malai ang agwat ng coins.ph at medyo mataas ng bahagya kung bibili ka ng bitcoin sa coins pero ito na kasi ang pinakadamadaling way sa pagbili ng bitcoin kaya naman ang karamihan ay kumakagat na kaaagad para naman may magamit silang bitcoin.


Title: Re: bitcoin buy prices | Coins.ph vs Abra
Post by: ralle14 on August 13, 2019, 04:53:13 AM
Ngayong bumaba nang kaunti ang price ng Bitcoin bumaba din ang buy price sa coins.ph pero sa abra wala masyadong nagbago. Halos dikit ang price(727 php difference), preference na lang siguro kung saan mo gusto bumili.

|Exchange|Buy Price|
|Coins.ph|₱601,860|
|Abra|₱601,133|

Buy rates ung prices na indicated(edited main thread for more clarity). Currently wala akong BTC sa Abra so hindi ko ma-check ung sell price.
Hindi ba sell price yung nasa portfolio tab?
 


Title: Re: bitcoin buy prices | Coins.ph vs Abra
Post by: elezerlake on August 13, 2019, 07:27:38 AM
nakapag download lang ako ng abra app at hindi ko pa nagamit. maganda bang gamitin at walang major issues?


Title: Re: bitcoin buy prices | Coins.ph vs Abra
Post by: Question123 on August 13, 2019, 11:32:53 AM
nakapag download lang ako ng abra app at hindi ko pa nagamit. maganda bang gamitin at walang major issues?
Di pa ko na pa natratratry ang abra at may mga positive feedback naman siya from the user pero ako mas naniniwala if maeexperienced kong gumamit nito. Dahil ngayon coins.ph muna ang gagamitin ko dahil alam kong safe at mabilis ang kanilang transaction kaya dito ako mas nagtitiwala. Kung gusto mo malaman kung maganda itong gamitin try mo magregister sa kanila ng malaman mo.


Title: Re: bitcoin buy prices | Coins.ph vs Abra
Post by: dark08 on August 15, 2019, 03:15:17 PM
nakapag download lang ako ng abra app at hindi ko pa nagamit. maganda bang gamitin at walang major issues?
Di pa ko na pa natratratry ang abra at may mga positive feedback naman siya from the user pero ako mas naniniwala if maeexperienced kong gumamit nito. Dahil ngayon coins.ph muna ang gagamitin ko dahil alam kong safe at mabilis ang kanilang transaction kaya dito ako mas nagtitiwala. Kung gusto mo malaman kung maganda itong gamitin try mo magregister sa kanila ng malaman mo.

Okay naman gamitin ang abra smooth din sa pag withdraw at deposite nakakainis na kasi sa coins.ph ang laki ng difference sa price lugi ka pag nag convert plus yung fee pa pag ng deposite ka ito yung issue sa coins.ph.


Title: Re: bitcoin buy prices | Coins.ph vs Abra
Post by: rosezionjohn on August 15, 2019, 03:41:10 PM
Okay naman gamitin ang abra smooth din sa pag withdraw at deposite nakakainis na kasi sa coins.ph ang laki ng difference sa price lugi ka pag nag convert plus yung fee pa pag ng deposite ka ito yung issue sa coins.ph.
Wala eh, may monopoly pa din si coins kaya malakas loob mag-bigay ng ganung rate.
Regular user ka na ba ng Abra? Pwede mo bang i-confirm kung wala talagang KYC verification kahit gaano kalaki ang transaksyon mo?


Title: Re: bitcoin buy prices | Coins.ph vs Abra
Post by: mk4 on August 15, 2019, 03:50:57 PM
Wala eh, may monopoly pa din si coins kaya malakas loob mag-bigay ng ganung rate.
Regular user ka na ba ng Abra? Pwede mo bang i-confirm kung wala talagang KYC verification kahit gaano kalaki ang transaksyon mo?

Been a user of Abra for a while. While never akong nag submit ng KYC, ibibigay mo rin lang account number ng bank mo para mawithdraw mo so may data ka parin talaga sakanila; and yes, may limits obviously: https://support.abra.com/hc/en-us/articles/115002918627-What-are-Abra-s-transaction-limits-

Pero malaki laki naman ang limits so walang problema in my opinion. Mas problemahin mo ung sa side ng bank mo kung malalaki napapasok na pera sa bank mo.