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Title: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Q2kc on August 12, 2019, 06:19:40 PM
Miracle Tele offers A stacking reward based on the Company Revenue, you can check on their website the staking calculator here just scroll below https://miracletele.com/, they are claiming that they SPLIT 40% of  their monthly Revenue  to token holders based on the sales from their SIM CARDS, every time they changed rules and blocking people's account and banning you from the Telegram every time you complain about the new rules, by the way, this company have done a bounty in 2018 to promote their project and those bounty hunters sold their tokens on forkdelta for a very cheap price compared to the website, by the way, this company already finished the ICO but until now they are still selling Tele tokens on their website for no reason, price on website 0.2 Euro and on forkdelta is 0.05 Euro but they are banning all the people who bought tokens on forkdelta to stack it on the website, and this makes no sense because all bounty hunters have rights for staking are gone and also all the tokens on forkdelta now are useless because you can't stack them, the most annoying part is they keep on emailing you that buy Tele tokens now while the price is 0.2 euro because if they list it on Stex it will go to 0.5 euro and keeps hyping the project, and keeps extending the Stex listing, another red flag again because if you can't stack using forkdelta tokens what is the purpose of  Stex listing then? they are all exchanges and the same token what makes a difference? this the Email they send will send to you to create hype below is the Image


Update if you go to the Etherscan you can trace the top 10 Address that holds the biggest amount of Tele tokens that keeps on selling every day, the question is why keep on selling while the ICO is already over a long time ago hmmm?  this is the beauty of blockchain because you can track everything, if you go on the team Image they removed some team members, I'm still Investigating this, I will Update again soon
https://etherscan.io/token/0xb363a3c584b1f379c79fbf09df015da5529d4dac#balances


https://i.imgur.com/7DGZ0rw.png


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: logfiles on August 13, 2019, 05:49:24 AM
Please do update more info...like screenshots of Rule changes, Proof that their addresses are dumping tokens, and also links of their profiles and ANNs in this forum.

If the evidence is sufficient, some DT members could help you tag their accounts.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Q2kc on August 13, 2019, 06:02:01 AM
Please do update more info...like screenshots of Rule changes, Proof that their addresses are dumping tokens, and also links of their profiles and ANNs in this forum.

If the evidence is sufficient, some DT members could help you tag their accounts.

This is the New Rules Implemented Yesterday Without warnings or Ahead Announcement this is rediculous

https://i.imgur.com/7LtqFA4.png

https://i.imgur.com/VuCoPfe.png


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Q2kc on August 13, 2019, 06:10:01 AM
This is the Proof that they do a bounty on 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5030720.0

This is the Address who keeps on selling Tele on their Website at 0.21 Euro this is Illegal because ICO is already Over: https://etherscan.io/token/0xb363a3c584b1f379c79fbf09df015da5529d4dac?a=0x5a9e54056ea941b6a85e44d0c11b5c51028810d7



Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: slackovic on August 13, 2019, 06:47:41 AM
I can confirm what OP is saying. I participated in their bounty campaign but I didn't sell my tokens. At first it looked like a legit project because they payed me for the tokens that I stacked. Few weeks after I got my bounty tokens and stacked them, they offered to buyback the tokens that were earned trough the bounty campaign. They set the ICO price for the buyback. I decided to sell my tokens and that turned out to be the best thing to do.

Few days after I sold my tokens, they finished the buyback campaign and started some kind of their own exchange on the website (users could buy and sell TELE tokens, but the minimum price was 0.20 €). That's when I started to feel something fishy about the project. Why would people buy tokens on the website when you could buy them on the ForkDelta for the 25% of the price on the website? I was really tempted to buy some tokens on the ForkDelta and stack them. Thank God I didn't do that because they started to block accounts of the people that bought TELE tokens on ForkDelta and tried stacking them. That way people lost their tokens because they already stacked them, and then the team blocked their accounts.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: frankjan on August 13, 2019, 06:49:52 AM
The OP is just frustrated, I guess he is one of those cheaters trying to game the system. Miracle Tele is one of the best project out there, they have been true to their words since 2018 paying biweekly rewards to all the investors without any delay.
Just of recent some bad folks have been cheating and trying to enrich themselves though some dubious acts which is affecting we the real investors. Now I guess miracle Tele team is trying to checkmate those acts.

Real investors have never complained of not receiving their rightful rewards every 2 weeks. Miracle Tele is real and one of the best, they are only trying to deal with cheaters. I rest my case. The new rule only affects the bad folks in the system

Thanks


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Q2kc on August 13, 2019, 08:09:05 AM
The OP is just frustrated, I guess he is one of those cheaters trying to game the system. Miracle Tele is one of the best project out there, they have been true to their words since 2018 paying biweekly rewards to all the investors without any delay.
Just of recent some bad folks have been cheating and trying to enrich themselves though some dubious acts which is affecting we the real investors. Now I guess miracle Tele team is trying to checkmate those acts.

Real investors have never complained of not receiving their rightful rewards every 2 weeks. Miracle Tele is real and one of the best, they are only trying to deal with cheaters. I rest my case. The new rule only affects the bad folks in the system

Thanks

Are You Stupid or Something you don't understand who is cheating? lol, all the tokens from forkdelta are from bounty hunters that are paid for their job on promoting this scam project sense 2018 so you mean the tokens from forkdelta are cheat tokens? lol, are you a newbie or something in crypto those are all the same TELE token the blockchain won't lie you can see it all in the blockchain why is the team blocking their own token?  makes no sense the project turns into a Ponzi Scheme in a short period of time maybe they are selling their own token to pay the rewards from these people who are stacking, what happens if they out of money to pay with dividends what will happen? simple they will Exit Scam!


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: GrosWesh on August 13, 2019, 08:50:24 AM
This is the Proof that they do a bounty on 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5030720.0

This is the Address who keeps on selling Tele on their Website at 0.21 Euro this is Illegal because ICO is already Over: https://etherscan.io/token/0xb363a3c584b1f379c79fbf09df015da5529d4dac?a=0x5a9e54056ea941b6a85e44d0c11b5c51028810d7



Hi there :)

What you explained is right to me, i had similar history as a previous poster exposed (slackovic) and already sold all my tele tokens during buyback. Reason is i felt it was going wrong with this project and latest news confirm my assumptions. ::)

Tokens movements occuring on address you posted right above is a very big red flag as it can't be even possible they go on selling tokens after ico is finished. (yep that ico which should have finished in october, then in may then... what a mess ! Rules are changed by team every single day !)

Time will tell if we're right, to me there nearly NO chance we could be wrong  ::) !


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: CryptopreneurBrainboss on August 13, 2019, 08:56:35 AM
Heard rumors about the project but didn't put much thought into it. From your explanation above and from the discussion ongoing on the bounty (http://t.me/miracletelecombounty) and Scam accusation (http://t.me/miraclescam) telegram groups, it does matches your accusation above. Bounty hunters and airdrop recievers are been denial the privilege to stake tokens on website and some investors claim to be affected too just because they have previously withdrawn their token from website to their personal wallet (although I can't confirm this claim).

The account (MiracleTele) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2150870) associated with this project on the forum haven't been that active so I doubt they would respond to this accusation although just left a negative feedback to alert others from falling prey to the project's shady behavior.

I suppose a flag1 or 2 (more visible tag) who be appropriate for this issue (to alert others from falling prey) until the accused comes up to defend themselves the project looks untrustworthy to me.  Mind creating one OP?.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: joniboini on August 13, 2019, 09:35:28 AM
Few days after I sold my tokens, they finished the buyback campaign and started some kind of their own exchange on the website (users could buy and sell TELE tokens, but the minimum price was 0.20 €). That's when I started to feel something fishy about the project. Why would people buy tokens on the website when you could buy them on the ForkDelta for the 25% of the price on the website? I was really tempted to buy some tokens on the ForkDelta and stack them. Thank God I didn't do that because they started to block accounts of the people that bought TELE tokens on ForkDelta and tried stacking them. That way people lost their tokens because they already stacked them, and then the team blocked their accounts.

Do they have something like an announcement before they started blocking people account and freezing their contracts?

If I get this correctly, basically they're allowing people to buy tokens from Forkdelta (there is a possibility that the seller is the team itself), and then when they tried to use that tokens it was blocked. They bought useless tokens.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Q2kc on August 13, 2019, 10:14:36 AM
Looks Like the CEO is an Idiot guy and his Linkedin account is fake!

https://i.imgur.com/u73sch6.png


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Q2kc on August 13, 2019, 10:18:07 AM
Few days after I sold my tokens, they finished the buyback campaign and started some kind of their own exchange on the website (users could buy and sell TELE tokens, but the minimum price was 0.20 €). That's when I started to feel something fishy about the project. Why would people buy tokens on the website when you could buy them on the ForkDelta for the 25% of the price on the website? I was really tempted to buy some tokens on the ForkDelta and stack them. Thank God I didn't do that because they started to block accounts of the people that bought TELE tokens on ForkDelta and tried stacking them. That way people lost their tokens because they already stacked them, and then the team blocked their accounts.

Do they have something like an announcement before they started blocking people account and freezing their contracts?

If I get this correctly, basically they're allowing people to buy tokens from Forkdelta (there is a possibility that the seller is the team itself), and then when they tried to use that tokens it was blocked. They bought useless tokens.

No Announcement or warning they just do what they want pure bs


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: frankjan on August 13, 2019, 10:33:10 AM
The OP is just frustrated, I guess he is one of those cheaters trying to game the system. Miracle Tele is one of the best project out there, they have been true to their words since 2018 paying biweekly rewards to all the investors without any delay.
Just of recent some bad folks have been cheating and trying to enrich themselves though some dubious acts which is affecting we the real investors. Now I guess miracle Tele team is trying to checkmate those acts.

Real investors have never complained of not receiving their rightful rewards every 2 weeks. Miracle Tele is real and one of the best, they are only trying to deal with cheaters. I rest my case. The new rule only affects the bad folks in the system

Thanks

Are You Stupid or Something you don't understand who is cheating? lol, all the tokens from forkdelta are from bounty hunters that are paid for their job on promoting this scam project sense 2018 so you mean the tokens from forkdelta are cheat tokens? lol, are you a newbie or something in crypto those are all the same TELE token the blockchain won't lie you can see it all in the blockchain why is the team blocking their own token?  makes no sense the project turns into a Ponzi Scheme in a short period of time maybe they are selling their own token to pay the rewards from these people who are stacking, what happens if they out of money to pay with dividends what will happen? simple they will Exit Scam!


I can see that you are simply mad, you talk as if you are psychologically sick.
Has anyone complained about been scammed. The new rule has not even been implemented, why are you guys so in a hurry to bring this project down. Evil people.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: bakasabo on August 13, 2019, 11:10:22 AM
When after ICO ended and the project dropped 10,000,000 TELE more to the market next day, it was the matter of time when to project become to get rotten.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Vispilio on August 13, 2019, 12:04:10 PM
Looks Like the CEO is an Idiot guy and his Linkedin account is fake!


I know the CEO personally, his linkedin account is certainly not fake.

However, since there has been a lot of FUD going on after the sudden recent announcements, he or an official representative should come up here and do better PR management I agree.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: GrosWesh on August 13, 2019, 12:43:48 PM
Two admins of miracle tele bounty channel just left on telegram, because they dont agree with what is happening. Just saying  ::)


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Vispilio on August 13, 2019, 12:52:54 PM
Two admins of miracle tele bounty channel just left on telegram, because they dont agree with what is happening. Just saying  ::)

I'm aware, and looks like the admin of the Russian group is making some announcements...

The tokens received from the bounty on unactivated accounts cannot be stacked, which can be understood to a certain extent because it makes sense to filter out bounty hunters at a certain point if they don't have the confidence to invest even 10 EUR to a well working project and want to dump everything as soon as possible no matter what...

But I admit it would be a real issue and goes against free market principles, if people cannot stack tokens even if they get it on decentralized exchanges like forkdelta, so I hope someone can verify whether this is indeed the case now.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: zengis on August 13, 2019, 01:02:59 PM
To maintain the adoption of better cryptocurrency in mass, I hope that the moderator can take a firm stand against Miracletele for not acting arbitrarily, every week a new rule comes out that seems to burden the users.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: GrosWesh on August 13, 2019, 01:04:43 PM
Two admins of miracle tele bounty channel just left on telegram, because they dont agree with what is happening. Just saying  ::)

I'm aware, and looks like the admin of the Russian group is making some announcements...

The tokens received from the bounty on unactivated accounts cannot be stacked, which can be understood to a certain extent because it makes sense to filter out bounty hunters at a certain point if they don't have the confidence to invest even 10 EUR to a well working project and want to dump as soon as possible no matter what...

But I admit it would be a real issue and goes against free market principles, if people cannot stack tokens even if they get it on decentralized exchanges like forkdelta, so I hope someone can verify whether this is indeed the case now.

What is not understandable is why all these new rules are set NOW.

A few weeks/months ago i received tokens from signature campaign, bought some more from fork delta, stacked everything, received earnings and managed to withdraw without any issue. Why could people not go on doing the same ?? (i even bought during ico i must say).

The way arrival on exchanges is managed is really questionnable too ...


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: slackovic on August 13, 2019, 01:41:44 PM
Few days after I sold my tokens, they finished the buyback campaign and started some kind of their own exchange on the website (users could buy and sell TELE tokens, but the minimum price was 0.20 €). That's when I started to feel something fishy about the project. Why would people buy tokens on the website when you could buy them on the ForkDelta for the 25% of the price on the website? I was really tempted to buy some tokens on the ForkDelta and stack them. Thank God I didn't do that because they started to block accounts of the people that bought TELE tokens on ForkDelta and tried stacking them. That way people lost their tokens because they already stacked them, and then the team blocked their accounts.

Do they have something like an announcement before they started blocking people account and freezing their contracts?

If I get this correctly, basically they're allowing people to buy tokens from Forkdelta (there is a possibility that the seller is the team itself), and then when they tried to use that tokens it was blocked. They bought useless tokens.

Honestly, I stopped following what's going on with the project after I saw reports of the people whose accounts were blocked. As I understand, they started blocking people's accounts who bought tokens on ForkDelta and stacked those tokens and few days AFTER they started blocking them they published some kind of investing tutorial that has the section about stacking tokens. In that section it says that you can't stack tokens bought on ForkDelta. They did that AFTER people got their accounts blocked and tokens lost.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: fulled on August 13, 2019, 02:59:47 PM
Im following this issue, because im staking my tele token there, in last 4 weeks tele team always changing rules and its always done without profer announcement, they act so fishy, i was think they will exit scam in month or two, thats why i unstack most of my token and sell it to fork delta, and today, 3 days after im selling mine, this thing happen, no more reward for staking token from bounty and airdrop, and even 2 admins on TELE group decide to quit today. I think tele token is so close to exit scam now, but i still pray Tele will not exit scam, the devidend payment was so good :(


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: bogdan198 on August 13, 2019, 03:14:15 PM
I can confirm what OP is saying. I participated in their bounty campaign but I didn't sell my tokens. At first it looked like a legit project because they payed me for the tokens that I stacked. Few weeks after I got my bounty tokens and stacked them, they offered to buyback the tokens that were earned trough the bounty campaign. They set the ICO price for the buyback. I decided to sell my tokens and that turned out to be the best thing to do.

Few days after I sold my tokens, they finished the buyback campaign and started some kind of their own exchange on the website (users could buy and sell TELE tokens, but the minimum price was 0.20 €). That's when I started to feel something fishy about the project. Why would people buy tokens on the website when you could buy them on the ForkDelta for the 25% of the price on the website? I was really tempted to buy some tokens on the ForkDelta and stack them. Thank God I didn't do that because they started to block accounts of the people that bought TELE tokens on ForkDelta and tried stacking them. That way people lost their tokens because they already stacked them, and then the team blocked their accounts.
you boldly can be called a liar, you can give evidence on those akki, which bought on fork Delta and have blocked? I have tokens with fork Delta and they bring profit.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: pirashki on August 13, 2019, 04:06:13 PM
update: 4 admins have left the main group


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on August 13, 2019, 04:42:33 PM
I know the CEO personally, his linkedin account is certainly not fake.

However, since there has been a lot of FUD going on after the sudden recent announcements, he or an official representative should come up here and do better PR management I agree.
Hm.  Don't know what to think, although I'm beyond skeptical about these projects--I'm more pointed toward being cynical and headed toward pessimism.  Whether you know the CEO or not, I agree that better PR is necessary so that investors don't think they're getting scammed like this.  We all know that scams abound in the ICO space, and it's natural for people to be frightened like this.  I don't blame OP at all for starting this thread.

Im following this issue, because im staking my tele token there, in last 4 weeks tele team always changing rules and its always done without profer announcement, they act so fishy
<snip>
And this is what I'm talking about.  Nobody should be this scared that a project is going to pull an exit scam based on fishy behavior.  The project ought to reassure its investors at the very least that they're not headed towards a scam.  The language barrier here is pretty high and I must confess that I'm not familiar with the project--but either way the scam accusation seems to have some merit.  Will follow.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: examplens on August 13, 2019, 09:36:56 PM
Heard rumors about the project but didn't put much thought into it. From your explanation above and from the discussion ongoing on the bounty (http://t.me/miracletelecombounty) and Scam accusation (http://t.me/miraclescam) telegram groups, it does matches your accusation above. Bounty hunters and airdrop recievers are been denial the privilege to stake tokens on website and some investors claim to be affected too just because they have previously withdrawn their token from website to their personal wallet (although I can't confirm this claim).

The account (MiracleTele) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2150870) associated with this project on the forum haven't been that active so I doubt they would respond to this accusation although just left a negative feedback to alert others from falling prey to the project's shady behavior.

I suppose a flag1 or 2 (more visible tag) who be appropriate for this issue (to alert others from falling prey) until the accused comes up to defend themselves the project looks untrustworthy to me.  Mind creating one OP?.

I don't think that any flag can change anything. They take the money and probably is now on exit scam.
it must have been very suspicious with 40% monthly interest.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Vispilio on August 13, 2019, 10:12:31 PM
Market price dropping 80% within a day, a community of 70,000 active enthusiasts shaken and in total panic mode,
admins leaving in protest citing sudden, haphazard decisions by the management without consulting with them,
payments pending for days.....

and then again it's the vacation month in Europe, part of the working culture is so carefree and ridiculously self-absorbed there that even legitimate business owners might not bother to deal with such dire issues until their leisure time is completed to their satisfaction :),

there is a chance that this is a case of "lost in translation" a bit, and an otherwise very committed CEO having a few too many off days recently...


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: slackovic on August 14, 2019, 06:05:43 AM
I can confirm what OP is saying. I participated in their bounty campaign but I didn't sell my tokens. At first it looked like a legit project because they payed me for the tokens that I stacked. Few weeks after I got my bounty tokens and stacked them, they offered to buyback the tokens that were earned trough the bounty campaign. They set the ICO price for the buyback. I decided to sell my tokens and that turned out to be the best thing to do.

Few days after I sold my tokens, they finished the buyback campaign and started some kind of their own exchange on the website (users could buy and sell TELE tokens, but the minimum price was 0.20 €). That's when I started to feel something fishy about the project. Why would people buy tokens on the website when you could buy them on the ForkDelta for the 25% of the price on the website? I was really tempted to buy some tokens on the ForkDelta and stack them. Thank God I didn't do that because they started to block accounts of the people that bought TELE tokens on ForkDelta and tried stacking them. That way people lost their tokens because they already stacked them, and then the team blocked their accounts.

you boldly can be called a liar, you can give evidence on those akki, which bought on fork Delta and have blocked? I have tokens with fork Delta and they bring profit.

Don' call me a liar because I'm just saying what the team published in this article (https://medium.com/@MiracleTelecom/finetuning-miracletele-service-terms-d7ad4e4fbde6). I will quote just one part where it's written that tokens bought anywhere else except on their web site can't be stacked:

Quote from: Medium article
3. We would like to remind you that tokens that have been taken out of our ecosystem cease bringing biweekly rewards. This means externally deposited tokens are no longer eligible for stacking. Please keep this in mind when making decisions on selling your TELE tokens.

Maybe you purchased tokens on the ForkDelta before they started checking. I know that people who bought tokens few months ago were able to stack them and receive profit. But if you buy tokens now and try stacking them, they will bock you.

And one more thing. They stopped all deposits and withdrawals on the website (MiracleTele CEO said that in the main Telegram group: link (https://t.me/miracletelecom/727855)). People on Telegram says that they can't withdraw their money or tokens (example: https://t.me/miracletelecom/730429 (https://t.me/miracletelecom/730429)).


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Vispilio on August 14, 2019, 08:14:48 AM

And one more thing. They stopped all deposits and withdrawals on the website (MiracleTele CEO said that in the main Telegram group: link (https://t.me/miracletelecom/727855)). People on Telegram says that they can't withdraw their money or tokens (example: https://t.me/miracletelecom/730429 (https://t.me/miracletelecom/730429)).


As of this morning withdrawals are coming in fine, albeit with several hours delay compared to earlier transactions.

I know Andrey said something like "During this week we are stopping any out / in..." yesterday, which is likely referring to
TELE token transactions.

He or someone else from management should show up here asap to clear the air.



Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: skyseer on August 14, 2019, 11:07:32 AM
Hello. Long time tele token holder here. I have Tele tokens which were bought from variuos places, including ICO website and DEX. Here's a couple of problems with the project right now:

1. If you ask anyone in crypto if 1btc=1btc, everyone will answer "yes". Doesn't matter when, where, at which price you bought your btc. 1btc=1btc. Well, Ceo of MiracleTele Andrew thinks differently. He made an annoucement on 12 aug that 1 Tele which was bought from team's ico wallet doesn't equal to 1 Tele which was bought from exchanges or received as bounry/airdrop. Meaning you can stack only those tokens, which you bought directly from ico wallet. But before that annoucement everything was fine, 1 tele was = 1 tele,  everyone were stacking their coins no matter where they received/bought them. And before that annoucement Ceo was asked numerous times "Can we stack tokens from exchanges?" and the answer was always "yes". Andrew made that choice as anti-dump measure, to prevent holders selling tokens and just continue to stack. His decision backfired badly. The same day price on Dex falled by 80-90%. And that's understandable. Stacking was the only underlying feature of the project which kept price at a reasonable level. If you can't stack tokens from exchanges - the only point for buying them is speculation. But you can find 1000 more alternatives for speculation. The funny thing is - before Andrew's annoucement price on exchanges was always at a resonable level. There were moments when bounty hunters dumped their tokens but price always recovered after that. Now it just stays the same. 4 times lower than ico price.

2. Endless ICO. The ico was meant to be ended in may. And the team was sending mails where they stated that the token will be listed on exchanges shortly after ico by the end of may. Well, ICO is still running and the team still haven't listed Tele token. It's trading only on Dex or on another exchange where it was listed only by exchange's initiative.

3. Andrew's last annoucement caused a lot of panick. There are near 70k people on telegram group. The last days all payouts for stacking were delayed, I personally waited 3 days for my payout, but before that it was always instant. So delays in payouts and latest annoucement really sparked a lot of questions from holders. The Ceo was it the chat and acted like a clown. He replied with some BS or smiley emojis for serious questions. In the end all admins left from telegram group.

My proposal for the MT team: please stop differentiating 1 tele token from another tele token. Just enable stacking for all tokens, no matter where they were bought. The moment you will make that decision - the same moment price will stabilise. Just as it was before your latest annoucement. And please stop ICO and list this token officially! Do not change rules and ToS a couple of times every month!!!

P.S. A couple of months ago there were a moment when there was an announcement on official miracle tele website, that this token will be listed on binance. That annoucement was there only for 10 or 20 minutes max. But people still have saved screenshots of that...


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Leonardo7 on August 14, 2019, 11:38:38 AM
P.S. A couple of months ago there was a moment when there was an announcement on official miracle tele website, that this token will be listed on binance. That announcement was there only for 10 or 20 minutes max. But people still have saved screenshots of that...

I didn't see this announcement, this was a big red flag. I almost sold off my token, until something pulled me back. I have suspected the project and its team. The CEO is a dishonest person. This may have just ended the Pyramid scheme. Although some persons want to take legal action against them. One of the best moderator by name Sonny left the telegram group.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: pirashki on August 14, 2019, 05:06:04 PM
hope that they have good explanation to what is happening to the ETH address of the ICO sale:

https://etherscan.io/address/0x5a9e54056ea941b6a85e44d0c11b5c51028810d7

too many IN transactions, now that address is holding 13M tele tokens!


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: CryptopreneurBrainboss on August 14, 2019, 05:36:19 PM
just left a negative feedback to alert others from falling prey to the project's shady behavior.

I suppose a flag1 or 2 (more visible tag) who be appropriate for this issue (to alert others from falling prey) until the accused comes up to defend themselves the project looks untrustworthy to me.  Mind creating one OP?.

I don't think that any flag can change anything. They take the money and probably is now on exit scam.
it must have been very suspicious with 40% monthly interest.

You don't create flags or leave negative feedback on scam projects for them to change their minds. You do so, to prevent others from falling victim to their scam and that's the best the forum can offer since it doesn't moderate scam.  Creating the flag will make the scam accusation more visible and alert potential investors to rethink before investing. I wasn't affected some it seems appropriate for the affected parties to create one and request for our support to make it active.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: GrosWesh on August 14, 2019, 10:36:58 PM

Endless ICO. The ico was meant to be ended in may. And the team was sending mails where they stated that the token will be listed on exchanges shortly after ico by the end of may. Well, ICO is still running and the team still haven't listed Tele token. It's trading only on Dex or on another exchange where it was listed only by exchange's initiative.


Nice summary. Regarding the end date of ico, before being advanced to May it was scheduled for October ...  ::)


P.S. A couple of months ago there were a moment when there was an announcement on official miracle tele website, that this token will be listed on binance. That annoucement was there only for 10 or 20 minutes max. But people still have saved screenshots of that...


I confirm.

One of the best moderator by name Sonny left the telegram group.

Maybe i'm wrong but what tells us that these admins (including Sonny) are not in collusion with the CEO and that they would not have pretended to be very annoyed and to disagree with the measures recently taken ?

I have always found sonny very (too) confident and incisive in the way he had to respond to his interlocutors.



Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Vispilio on August 14, 2019, 11:10:58 PM

Maybe i'm wrong but what tells us that these admins (including Sonny) are not in collusion with the CEO and that they would not have pretended to be very annoyed and to disagree with the measures recently taken ?

I have always found sonny very (too) confident and incisive in the way he had to respond to his interlocutors.


That's a great point, and I'm glad to see some really intellectual people amongst the Miracle Tele community :).

Having said that, I also had a few chats with Sonny, and he is a smart guy who was maybe way too emotionally invested in the admin job;
bantering back and forth with everyone and really exerting himself to come up with sarcastic quips, etc...

Such extra effort put into a telegram admin job might have really burnt him out, when he is doing that with 80k guys day in day out...


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: bakasabo on August 15, 2019, 08:55:52 AM
People say, that on the https://miracletele.com/ "team" section has disappeared  :D
This is such a close call for MiracleTele to get labeled as scammers.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: slackovic on August 15, 2019, 11:29:15 AM
People say, that on the https://miracletele.com/ "team" section has disappeared  :D
This is such a close call for MiracleTele to get labeled as scammers.

I can confirm that there was a section with info about the team members. There were even LinkedIn profiles linked on that section, but it can't be found anymore. I guess they think by doing this no one will know their identities but people already know who they are.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: FLHippy on August 15, 2019, 08:49:10 PM
Scam or no scam, I've received a lot more in payouts than I invested so I don't care if it goes belly up at this stage......I initially thought it was a scam but after I got my first payout I made a small deposit......after that I deposited a larger sum. That was months ago. I refuse to put anything else in until I'm in profit. I'm well in profit now so I'm just going to sit back and see what happens.......
That is how ponzi scheme works - they are paying for a short time to convince investors that they are legal and after that they exit scam.
I knew there was something suspicious about this project because they claim to be from the Czech Republic, but website was translated into Czech language by some translating software.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Dzeronimo on August 15, 2019, 10:54:07 PM
I knew there was something suspicious about this project because they claim to be from the Czech Republic, but website was translated into Czech language by some translating software.
I'm surprised that no one noticed this before.  It is very strange and suspicious but now is too late. :(


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: slackovic on August 16, 2019, 06:56:48 AM
I knew there was something suspicious about this project because they claim to be from the Czech Republic, but website was translated into Czech language by some translating software.
I'm surprised that no one noticed this before.  It is very strange and suspicious but now is too late. :(

Who knows? Maybe someone noticed and asked about it in the Telegram group and got banned. They were banning people for asking about exchanges... If that's true, it really looks fishy...


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: skyseer on August 16, 2019, 07:37:49 AM
Scam or not scam - too early to tell. But the the project is definitely having some problems right now.

It was the only ico in which I participated. The main reason was ability to buy token and withdraw payouts via wire transfer. And wire transfer always leaves legal trace. I've bought tokens via wire and the recepient was MiracleTele in Czech. If MT is a full blown scam company - I think they would never accept payments/withdrawals via bank transfer.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: fratelc on August 16, 2019, 10:21:05 AM
!!! HELP THE MIRACLE TELE !!!

 :o I think miracletele (https://miracletele.com/?friend=575894a43772a8) needs our support right now! They were paying instantly to wire / eth / bitcoin etc. all the time. Due to "weak plans" now they have changed the rules many times, they did not know what will happen, they need to consider how to operate in right way, so at the moment they stop paying out....

Think POSITIVE & HELP them!  ;)

I think miracletele (https://miracletele.com/?friend=575894a43772a8) needs our help & understanding!  :)

1. do not withdraw any  TELE tokens (https://miracletele.com/?friend=575894a43772a8), instad buy some more of them on the miracletele (https://miracletele.com/?friend=575894a43772a8) platform

2. STACK  TELE tokens (https://miracletele.com/?friend=575894a43772a8) and promote the project as the mobile service is very good, I have test it!

3. Start using Miracle Telekom mobile service! Order the sim card!  :o

!!! HELP THE MIRACLE TELE !!!

p.s.: The project is not SCAMM!!!! The Company & the services are full working!!!!



Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: haihoang08 on August 16, 2019, 02:02:55 PM
!!! HELP THE MIRACLE TELE !!!

 :o I think miracletele (https://miracletele.com/?friend=575894a43772a8) needs our support right now! They were paying instantly to wire / eth / bitcoin etc. all the time. Due to "weak plans" now they have changed the rules many times, they did not know what will happen, they need to consider how to operate in right way, so at the moment they stop paying out....

Think POSITIVE & HELP them!  ;)

I think miracletele (https://miracletele.com/?friend=575894a43772a8) needs our help & understanding!  :)

1. do not withdraw any  TELE tokens (https://miracletele.com/?friend=575894a43772a8), instad buy some more of them on the miracletele (https://miracletele.com/?friend=575894a43772a8) platform

2. STACK  TELE tokens (https://miracletele.com/?friend=575894a43772a8) and promote the project as the mobile service is very good, I have test it!

3. Start using Miracle Telekom mobile service! Order the sim card!  :o

!!! HELP THE MIRACLE TELE !!!

p.s.: The project is not SCAMM!!!! The Company & the services are full working!!!!



I think you right
We need to think positive about this project
I've been bought token on their website and staked token to earn reward, they're been payout on time
At the moment, have a liitle technical problem must be solve is withraw earning to ETH still pending
Just wait and patience....


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Dzeronimo on August 16, 2019, 03:50:55 PM
They don't have technical problems. Their unprofessional approach is the problem. They change rules all the time and they change them retroactively. That is the biggest problem.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: fratelc on August 16, 2019, 04:08:50 PM
They don't have technical problems. Their unprofessional approach is the problem. They change rules all the time and they change them retroactively. That is the biggest problem.

They are giving out rewards for all accounts now! Stay cool...  8)


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Dzeronimo on August 16, 2019, 08:43:55 PM
So they have changed rules once again. As I said, they are confused but lets hope that MT company will survive.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: DannyMail on August 18, 2019, 10:07:11 AM
Just a heads up but if you check out the Tele tokens that are been rounded up by this address ,25 million tokens at time of writing.  (https://etherscan.io/address/0x5a9e54056ea941b6a85e44d0c11b5c51028810d7)  it looks to me like the are emptying peoples accounts that ain't active, The miracle tele platform has our private keys & passwords for ether accounts on the miracle Tele dashboard, please check your Miracle Tele accounts to make sure your tokens have not gone.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Dzeronimo on August 18, 2019, 08:44:48 PM
They are quiet on Telegram, but obviously something is happening in the background. I guess that next week they will offer some explanation or new rules (again). 


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: zengis on August 19, 2019, 12:56:56 AM
!!! HELP THE MIRACLE TELE !!!

 :o I think miracletele (https://miracletele.com/?friend=575894a43772a8) needs our support right now! They were paying instantly to wire / eth / bitcoin etc. all the time. Due to "weak plans" now they have changed the rules many times, they did not know what will happen, they need to consider how to operate in right way, so at the moment they stop paying out....

Think POSITIVE & HELP them!  ;)

I think miracletele (https://miracletele.com/?friend=575894a43772a8) needs our help & understanding!  :)

1. do not withdraw any  TELE tokens (https://miracletele.com/?friend=575894a43772a8), instad buy some more of them on the miracletele (https://miracletele.com/?friend=575894a43772a8) platform

2. STACK  TELE tokens (https://miracletele.com/?friend=575894a43772a8) and promote the project as the mobile service is very good, I have test it!

3. Start using Miracle Telekom mobile service! Order the sim card!  :o

!!! HELP THE MIRACLE TELE !!!

p.s.: The project is not SCAMM!!!! The Company & the services are full working!!!!


😂 its funny...
They only proceed small amount and pending a big withdrawal.
Theere are no profesional teams. it is the poor project.
They make p2p and they make the rules and those who make the system fall apart. I think this is a strategy that was deliberately used by them to hinder payments because actually they do not want to make payments. Try to imagine, a platform of this size is not able to do well management even he himself is causing the platform to collapse


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: karepmuwes on August 19, 2019, 11:19:27 AM
They are quiet on Telegram, but obviously something is happening in the background. I guess that next week they will offer some explanation or new rules (again). 

maybe all this time they have been quiet to look for logical reasons why all this happened, the reason of course must be accepted by all members of the community, or maybe they are looking for a solution, the miracle tele team should immediately provide an explanation so that their project continues to run, we can see for yourself that members in his telegram group slowly began to come out


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Frandydandy on August 19, 2019, 03:52:25 PM
CEO was active in russian telegram group: @miracleteleru today, few minutes ago


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: karepmuwes on August 20, 2019, 05:03:02 AM

I've been waiting for payment for 2 days, does not receive the award? (2 weeks) I hope this is not a fraud.

how now, they pay you? pay attention to the amount that you withdraw, I think miracle tele pays longer to those who withdraw large amounts


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: aggress0r on August 20, 2019, 11:31:41 AM

I've been waiting for payment for 2 days, does not receive the award? (2 weeks) I hope this is not a fraud.
I received my payment 4 days ago but it took longer than always - 2 days


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Dzeronimo on August 20, 2019, 12:01:48 PM
This project is a big mystery. Everything is falling apart, but someone just added 3.3 ETH to their ETH address and paid some withdrawals. Strange.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: samzamma on August 21, 2019, 12:11:18 PM
People say, that on the https://miracletele.com/ "team" section has disappeared  :D
This is such a close call for MiracleTele to get labeled as scammers.

Here comes the team:
https://web.archive.org/web/20190809201833/https://miracletele.com/info/about/


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: fratelc on August 21, 2019, 01:05:21 PM
People say, that on the https://miracletele.com/ "team" section has disappeared  :D
This is such a close call for MiracleTele to get labeled as scammers.

Here comes the team:
https://web.archive.org/web/20190809201833/https://miracletele.com/info/about/

And also here:

https://miracletele.com/files/onepager.pdf (https://miracletele.com/files/onepager.pdf)


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Frandydandy on August 22, 2019, 01:16:03 PM
Group for miracle tele investors: https://t.me/joinchat/Je1m8BYQ6ilscXP0p0dw6A


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: TopTort777 on August 22, 2019, 01:21:30 PM
Group for miracle tele investors: https://t.me/joinchat/Je1m8BYQ6ilscXP0p0dw6A

There are only 3 persons there - I think Miracle Tele had more  ;D

They are giving out rewards for all accounts now! Stay cool...  8)

No they not. I have a demo account (received tokens from bounty and airdrop), that so some reason is called "regular", but I cant neither stack my tokens, nor sell them or withdraw them.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Dzeronimo on August 22, 2019, 06:23:14 PM
Unfortunately, payments are pending in the last few days. I think that the last successful payment was 5 or 6 days ago. One Miracle Tele team member on Telegram explained that CEO isn't happy with the team and will try to create a completely new team. Doesn't sounds good.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: TopTort777 on August 22, 2019, 06:38:42 PM
One Miracle Tele team member on Telegram explained that CEO isn't happy with the team and will try to create a completely new team.

Not the best explanation why “team” section disappeared from the projects webpage. He could have left his (CEO) personal info, while other team members will be “under constructuon” :)



Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Laskoo on August 23, 2019, 09:49:19 AM

I've been waiting for payment for 2 days, does not receive the award? (2 weeks) I hope this is not a fraud.
I received my payment 4 days ago but it took longer than always - 2 days

Bitcoin or Ethereum?

I am asking because my withdrawal is pending since 5 days now. Ethereum.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Dzeronimo on August 23, 2019, 09:53:18 AM

I've been waiting for payment for 2 days, does not receive the award? (2 weeks) I hope this is not a fraud.
I received my payment 4 days ago but it took longer than always - 2 days

Bitcoin or Ethereum?

I am asking because my withdrawal is pending since 5 days now. Ethereum.
Depends on the amount. Smaller amounts are paid faster. It seems that they choose smaller amounts in order to cover more people, but in the last few days even small amounts are rarely paid.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: DannyMail on August 23, 2019, 04:20:30 PM
Straight Up Scam. End Of. I think we should all pay a visit to the head office and terrorize these scamming pricks. follow them home that kind of thing


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: pirashki on August 23, 2019, 06:50:03 PM
Email they sent me today:


"CEO has really left the channel because of too much FUD in here, team think he doesn't show a strong behaviour.

Instead of going away he should have continuosly reassured the community about his projects and the future of MT and give clear explainations about slow payouts.

The employees'union decided to go on vacation until 09/15/2019 due to the lack of common sense and logic from Mr Burchik."


 ??? ??? ???

well, many people have received this too.

at first I thought that it's a spam mail from a fake email address. but when I checked the address of the sender, I was totally shocked...

well, at this stage I think that this message means "goodbye all, we are running away with your money!"


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: yanika1 on August 23, 2019, 08:09:32 PM
The CEO just wrote in the RU telegram group:

"Guys, chill out. We need some time."


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Frandydandy on August 24, 2019, 11:13:36 AM
Group for miracle tele investors: https://t.me/joinchat/Je1m8BYQ6ilscXP0p0dw6A

There are only 3 persons there - I think Miracle Tele had more  ;D

They are giving out rewards for all accounts now! Stay cool...  8)

No they not. I have a demo account (received tokens from bounty and airdrop), that so some reason is called "regular", but I cant neither stack my tokens, nor sell them or withdraw them.

 

Yep, in this group not so many members, but they has clearly explained what is going on


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: yanika1 on August 25, 2019, 10:09:32 AM
I think there are some tech/ organizational issues. So let's hope the things will get fixed soon and the project gets on the right track again.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Arti_Tsy on August 26, 2019, 09:40:16 PM
I do not know whether this project is scam or not. But personally, I managed to sell part of my tokens on their internal exchange at 0.27 euros per token. Then they changed the rules and the tokens received for participating in their bounty could no longer be sold on the internal exchange. Therefore, I managed to sell the rest of my tokens on ForkDelta at about 0.15 cents per token and now I can sleep peacefully. In the current environment, when the price of the token can drop several tens of times on the first day of trading, I think I got a good result by selling them at a price approximately equal to their value on the ICO.  And are they scammers or not time will tell, I stocked up with popcorn and watch ))


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: IDDQDmnx on August 27, 2019, 04:37:48 PM
Please validate your account by activating Miracle Tele sim card to withdraw rewards - what does this mean? I do not need a card, why am I obligated to buy it?


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: bernardos on August 27, 2019, 06:50:18 PM
It means that they have no found a new way to take your money. Some users in their telegram groups have complained that they tried purchasing the SIM card with money their earned from the staking of TELE tokens and it didnt work. They probably want you to pay them your own money, not what you earned from staking.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: sonerbo on August 27, 2019, 07:56:34 PM
They canceled my payout and now  they say I must buy a sim card. They are totally SCAM keep away !!!!


https://i.imgur.com/8r7mqJq.jpg



Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: marikzp on August 27, 2019, 09:15:15 PM
all chats in telegrams blocked!


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Arti_Tsy on August 27, 2019, 10:05:53 PM
all chats in telegrams blocked!

Their chats work. But this does not change anything, their business model initially aroused strong concerns in me, it is very similar to the Ponzi pyramid. And in my opinion it has already begun to crumble.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: examplens on August 27, 2019, 10:20:28 PM
I have received an email from TELE. Anyone who has a complaint about their way of doing business is named "fraudsters"


Quote
Hey community,

Today we have a bit of unpleasant news, but please do not be alarmed. For the sake of full transparency, we are letting you know that last Friday we have been attacked by fraudsters, and as a result we have had to take some dramatic but temporary measures. Due to stolen call traffic, from Friday to Sunday we have been forced to turn off the “call” feature. Consequently, to preserve the integrity of MiracleTele SIM cards and the rest of the platform’s features, all users’ funds which have been requested for withdrawal have been returned to their accounts.

As of the time of this announcement, all of the platform’s features are back to being fully operational. We apologize for the inconvenience, and hope that you will continue to support us. Please rest assured that nothing is more important to us at MiracleTele than the security of our platform and the safety of your digital assets. We’re working around the clock to make sure that no further breaches will ever occur.

We sincerely hope to retain your full trust. As you know, MiracleTele is the modern-era mobile operator that brings you bureaucracy-free, private and secure system, high-quality telecom services and low rates. With your tokens, you can also take advantage of our blockchain-based loyalty program with bi-weekly token holder rewards.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: eelorriaga on August 27, 2019, 11:33:31 PM
they canceled 3 payments the first one was make at 11st august.
Nearly 50€ and there are not at my balance - they told me it will be fixxed by september 15th
also i can confirm that all my tokens bought at miracletele CANT be staked anymore.
they allowed staking again for all tokens
i have a sim card.
i was banned in whatsapp and telegram asking for this and when the ICO contnued on the website illegaly.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: palmerisrael22 on August 28, 2019, 12:31:37 AM
On September 23 Inter-continental  Exchange, ICE, owners of New York Stock Exchange is launching bakkt, a company to facilitate the mass adoption of bitcoin. Bakkt has partnered with Starbucks to build a template for a cost-effective system to process low-volume bitcoin payments. If this happen n miracle tele continue to operate, be sure miracle tele will be the #1 telecom company in the world in no distant time. Action to take now, Buy more TELE!


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: alex1908 on August 28, 2019, 04:19:21 AM
they canceled 3 payments the first one was make at 11st august.
Nearly 50€ and there are not at my balance.
also i can confirm that all my tokens bought at miracletele CANT be staked anymore.
i have a sim card.
i was banned in whatsapp and telegram asking for this and when the ICO contnued on the website illegaly.
They block everyone who asks the wrong questions or says the project TELE is a Ponzi scheme . Especially in RUtelegram chat.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: fratelc on August 29, 2019, 08:29:45 AM
All panding payments were canceled and returned to account and will be awalable from 15.9.2019 for withdraw...

All withdraws now are ok..., I have tested to IBAN and ETH.... all recieved.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: ausie2019 on August 29, 2019, 09:11:18 AM
Miracle Tele is officially A SCAM!!!
 
As from today/yesterday, we can confirm that our dear darling, Miracle Tele is a scam!
You all received their last email (I will split this in 2-3 parts):

“Today we are bringing you a few little news items and clarifications. Because of the fraud and theft attempts we recently experienced, of which we told you in our previous email, our reward rate, sadly, has gone down."

That is a complete lie and a scam. They were the ones who dropped their tokens on exchanges, forcing their worth to plummet to almost zero. Just a lie, nothing more than a lie.

“The good news is that because we weathered the unfortunate event well, by responding to it quickly and decisively, we are seeing the reward rate gradually creeping back up.”
 
Another lie, yesterday the reward was 0,48€, today it is 0,43€, and it will drop in the future because more and more people see this company for what it is, a scam, and are running away from its platform.

“Our call and internet features are back to normal. However, depending on the destination and the time you place your calls, some calls may cost more than 0.20 euro per call. These are market realities over which we have very little control. Sorry about that."
 
“Sorry?” Sorry, my ass! This is nothing more than a scam. Their white paper guarantees calls of 0,2€ per minute, nowhere do they mention any other possibilities. What they wrote here means that they can change the call rate as it fits them without forewarnings or any kind of notification – a scam!

“Any user who has activated his or her SIM card in their account at least once can withdraw their funds. So make sure to go and check in your account if you have done so…"
 
Scam number three – nowhere in their white paper (contract to which you/we all had to agree when you signed up to their platform) do they mention this.
It is optional to order and use their sim card, but let’s be honest, most of you joined this to earn rewards, not for their sim cards, therefore, another scam!

“If you have NOT done so, you are entitled to ordering your free SIM card (delivered for free!) when you deposit 50 euros or their equivalent into your account.
 
Scam number four!! Are these guys complete morons? Now they want to force users to deposit 50€!! To gain access to funds that are ours in the first place. This is where the boys in blue (police) step in.
 
“Alternatively, if this is too much for your current needs or wants, you can just buy it for 10 EUR, delivery included. This is your key to our awesome bi-weekly rewards!"
 
Scam number five and a clear showcase of what kind of morons we are dealing here with (if this is too much for you??) Only an idiot can build a company on such premise.

To sum it up, if you want your money you must – must buy their card, activate and use it, but buyer beware… their cards come with a hidden cost, a well-hidden cost, a monthly fee for the number you pick which is up to 16€... per month!!!

Let’s clarify this a bit – if you want your money/investment back, which by the way it will now take 4-5 years to get at the current reward rate, you are forced to use their stinking sim card, paying them monthly fees for the number and unknown call rates which could, would change as these SOBs fits. (SOBs – sons of bitches)
Their goal here is clear, if they get their 70,000 users/idiots to pay them 50€ per head, they end up with… 3,5 million euros! Out of your pocket. Or if you order it for 10€, we come to 700,000 euros… out of our pockets.
What to do now you ask? Those of you who are with this shit hole of a company from the start had probably already got even, got their investment back, but most of us joined this shit hole in the last 6-8 months when they sold the most of their tokens… more in part 2


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: ausie2019 on August 29, 2019, 09:17:38 AM
Miracle Tele is officially A SCAM... part2.

As we say in our country, revenge is a bitch. They scammed us of our money, sealed it in their website so what can you do?
For a start, stop whining and begging them, hit them where it hurts most.

No matter from which country you are, you have rights, even when it comes to ICO businesses.
Go to Google and search for it.

If you are from the UK

https://www.moneyadviceservice.org.uk/blog/how-to-report-scam-fraud

The USA

https://www.usa.gov/online-safety
https://www.fbi.gov/scams-and-safety/common-fraud-schemes/internet-fraud

Yes, you saw it right, uncle FBI takes care of SOB’s like these from Miracle Tele…. Actually, since they showcase the US flag on their website (to the morons from Miracle Tele, feel free to remove it, I already have it on over 100 screenshots of your website), I suggest we all file reports at the FBI, the more, the better. There is nothing wrong if you submit a report on multiple websites against Miracle Tele and its owners.

If you are from European union

https://www.europol.europa.eu/report-a-crime/report-cybercrime-online
https://ec.europa.eu/anti-fraud/olaf-and-you/report-fraud_en

Africa

https://ispa.org.za/safety/report-cybercrime/

or my corner, Australia

https://www.afp.gov.au/what-we-do/crime-types/cyber-crime/online-fraud-and-scams
and the list goes on and on.

Simply put “how to report internet fraud in … name of your country…" in Google and uncle internet will show you the right path.
 
Make sure you save every email you got from these SOB’s, you will need it to prove to your authorities what these idiots did with your money. Same goes for their white paper you can find here:

https://miracletele.com/   You must be logged out to see this (I guess?)

For those of you who cannot find a single website for their specific country to file a fraud report against Miracle Tele, you can use this:
https://www.cryptopolice.com/

And there are others, you must search for them... more in part 3


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: ausie2019 on August 29, 2019, 09:24:02 AM
Miracle tele is officially A SCAM!!! Part 3.

Make screenshots from your Miracle Tele accounts, daily if possible, including screenshots from your previous earnings, transactions… everything, the officials, police, FBI… will need them all.

You might ask… wait, if we do this they will simply run away with our money? Seriously, do you think there is enough money left for you all? There are two ways this can go, either they run away and force-burn their names and faces on the lists of the most wanted Internet fraudsters for life!!... or they will be forced to remove the usage of their shitty sim card to have access to your legally owned funds on their website.

It is up to them. Oh, them, here you can find the whole gang

https://icobench.com/ico/miracle-tele/team
https://foundico.com/ico/miracle-tele.html

If you want the A-hole’s email

Contact Name: Andrew Burchik
Contact Email: andrey.burchik@miracletele.com

You can try and reach others from the team, just switch their first and last names into the email address @miracletele.com.

If you check your profile on their website, you will see they have implemented other changes, among them throwing tokens out of stack and this way forcing users to stack them manually (god knows what lies behind that).

Their goal is clear, they want to cash in again, and this way raise the number of their users which they have now glued to their shitty business for the next 4-5 years.

The question is what will you do, wait for 4-5 years to get at least some of your money back, and at the same time pay abnormally high fees for your phone number and calls which can/will change as these SOBs fits, or will you step into action.

Remember, WW2 was not won because people stayed at home and saluted to the Nazis, it was won because people sacrificed everything to abolish the nemesis.

Miracle Tele is cancerous, can it be healed depends on our actions.

Doing nothing and sitting home whining after our money is the worst of them all.

Please spread this to any platform you have available, Twitter, Facebook, Youtube, Telegram… Let people know what options they have available. From numerous posts here I see that many of them are clueless of what to do next, what are their rights and legal protection.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Daveprofile on August 30, 2019, 02:07:58 AM
I just confirmed. One cant stack Bounty Tokens.  This sounds inhumane from the team.

I have never spoken Bad about MT and I wont still speak Bad about them but this act is an unprofessional Business etiquette. I just pray it wont hunt them down.

I have was thinking of Buying 3000 tokens from the website to make my total tokens up to 10k plus but this action of punishing Bounty hunters is making me have a rethink. I will also most likely stop my Dad from investing further.

The team should revert the policy till the 12th of August when they officially made the announcement that external tokens and tokens that have been taken out of the system can't be stacked any longer. If not for anything , for documentation purpose.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Daveprofile on August 30, 2019, 07:13:46 AM

The first Bounty Buy back programme was a brilliant initiative by Sir Andrey Burchik and his team to preserve the price of the TELE token.

Bounty hunters that wanted to sell off their asset sold it back to the company for €0.2; while the remaining segment of the Bounty Hunters who wanted to keep getting Bi-Weekly reward opted out of the Buy back scheme, retaining their stacked assets.

While the Buy Back scheme in itself was a great initiatatve, it ended way too soon. Bounty Hunters that also wanted to sell off but had to wait for their stacking cycle to get completed were left aloft. Unintentionally Forcing them to sell in exchanges at reduced prices.Though Some still sold using the P2P feature Miracle Tele established.

Now because of some fast people who bought from Exchanges and sold on the P2P platform. Miracle Tele shut the P2P feature and stopped the stacking of externally deposited tokens. Hurting the innocent Bounty Hunters who initially wanted be part of the company and reap from the Bi-Weekly Reward.

Bounty Hunters were the main driving force in terms of sales for Miracle Tele's asset the TELE tokens. They worked hard for 17 weeks and got the company to where it is financially.

Now the same Bounty Hunters are been punished severely for their efforts. I shared the situation with an investor who has about 27k plus tokens and he wasn't happy. He said they are back dating their policies.

Miracle Tele's concept is a brilliant one achieving world wide Telecommunication coverage in more than 200 countries using Mobile Virtual Network Operations. This would maximize the firm's profit and reward their investors.

But this singular act of punishing Bounty Hunters can greatly hurt the firm.

1) Bounty Hunters are also Investors. They invest in cash and also with their time, Intelligence, Human resources and expertise to take any company to a greater heights. This singular act will deter 90% of the Bounty Hunters from investing in cash any further.

2) The reputation of Miracle Tele is at stake as they prolong the action.  Fero the King of Egypt during the time of Moses made the Israelites make Bricks without Straw. This was a harsh treatment from the king who gave them Water melon and grapes as their wages. Fero lost his entire army and Egypt seized being the world power since then.
This action can greatly hurt Miracle Tele internally and externally.

3) Miracle Tele is selling a portion of their own token to further develop the project and go into partnership with other dealers, expanding to Africa. Miracle Tele is paying 10% to anyone that gets his or her referral to make a deposit. Bounty Hunters are still the ones that would drive sales in this regards. Because of their experience in Marketing. The action would slow the sale of TELE tokens.

My Suggestion would be:

1) Miracle Tele should setup a Buy Back 2 programme.  They have the spreadsheet from the First and Second Bounty Works.
Any Bounty worker that decides to sell now because of the current policy would have his details cross checked in the spreadsheet and once the Miracle Tele core team certifies that he didn't participate in the first Buy Back scheme. They can credit his or her Bitcoin or Ethereum account with the equivalent recorded and sold tokens with the price of €0.2.

2) Miracle Tele Management can back enact the policy to the 12th of August 2019 when they officially made the announcement. That any token taken out from or deposited into the dashboard would not be stackable. This is the actual legal action to take. Companies make losses that's why Insurance companies are there to mitigate the losses. Losses from company policies should not be imposed on customers. Be it investors or third party company promoters. The action should be enforced from the 12th of August when the official announcement was made and then all previously deposited tokens should be stackable.

It is important Miracle TELE makes an announcement in this effect. Its God that blesses and sustains a business. Businesses are not sustained by reducing or by denying your workers or investors their entitled benefits. It is important to have a healthy community moving forward.

I hope to see Miracle Tele wax stronger five years from now. But The CEO, Sir Andrey Burchick and his management team need to correct this mistake before we move further.






Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Mezounbanned on August 30, 2019, 07:24:51 AM
It was clear for me that the project as scam as it forces users to unlock account for just 10euro without listing the tokens and they keep on pushing on it. There were no AMA, no good communication from team just abdtract anouncements. I have to say the telegram admin @Bowtiesarecool is also scamer since here strongly advocate the legitimate status of the project and ban for showing untrust.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Daveprofile on August 30, 2019, 05:31:31 PM
I understand where you are coming from. But I feel Sonny did not know. He was just hired and honestly to me the  project is  not a scam. It just had management  issues and they treat Bounty Hunters badly by preventing them to stack the tokens they worked for.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: mattyforcrypto on August 30, 2019, 06:04:23 PM
All the stuff mentioned in the previous 6 posts here seems to be true, I wish I took part in the buyback program, I almost did it and then the reward rates kept going up again and I got greedy.
In the end I made a profit and after selling all my remaining TELE, which I now can't stack anymore with their new policy, I will be at around 30% return. Would've been a lot more with the buyback though..


Considering how they treated the community and the missing transparency it's a clear sign the good times are over and payments won't be made anymore.
I still have 110 Euro outstanding, even if I sent 50 Euro I'm sure they won't pay out my 110, most of their community-channels are read only, they're blocking negative feedback, clear signs something is wrong.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Daveprofile on August 31, 2019, 01:49:06 AM
Another suggestion for the MT team to consider would be to enable stacking for any customer that has Never withdrawn from their Dashboard. That way you can separate the Cheaters from the honest people. Its just a suggestion. But maybe they want to pay less people.



Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Daveprofile on August 31, 2019, 07:26:32 AM
I just hope the CEO or any of his team member is reading all this and can act on it. Imagine they enable stacking for any customer that hasn't withdrawn from his or her dashboard till July 31st or August 12th. That way those that bought at $1.36 from exchanges would benefit, the innocent ones that bought from peer to peer would benefit and lastly Bounty Hunters would be benefit.

This would bring total sanity to MT's name. Afterall, A good name is better than Gold or Silver.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: ausie2019 on September 02, 2019, 10:46:32 AM
I just hope the CEO or any of his team member is reading all this and can act on it.

The CEO doesn't give a shit about you or your opinion, he made that clear enough with his behavior.

As some already alerted me, they have discovered another scam – check it out if you don't believe it.

Miracle Tele when it »rebooted« their system, transferred all your funds from EARNINGS to BALANCE and this way made it impossible for you to withdraw the money.

To make it clear, to move money in a financial system so that the user has no more access or the right to withdraw it is a THEFT! Or another criminal offense punishable with jail.
 
We already requested a response about how one can return the money from balance back to earnings and never received one – because there is none!

This way Miracle Tele stole from his customers an unknown six-figure amount of money, which can now be only used to buy their worthless piece of shit also known as tokens.

Keep throwing your money at them, they're more than happy to grab it and laugh at your stupidity.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: fratelc on September 03, 2019, 07:18:32 AM
I just hope the CEO or any of his team member is reading all this and can act on it.

The CEO doesn't give a shit about you or your opinion, he made that clear enough with his behavior.

As some already alerted me, they have discovered another scam – check it out if you don't believe it.

Miracle Tele when it »rebooted« their system, transferred all your funds from EARNINGS to BALANCE and this way made it impossible for you to withdraw the money.

To make it clear, to move money in a financial system so that the user has no more access or the right to withdraw it is a THEFT! Or another criminal offense punishable with jail.
 
We already requested a response about how one can return the money from balance back to earnings and never received one – because there is none!

This way Miracle Tele stole from his customers an unknown six-figure amount of money, which can now be only used to buy their worthless piece of shit also known as tokens.

Keep throwing your money at them, they're more than happy to grab it and laugh at your stupidity.


This funds will be awalable after september 15th.....


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All current withdrawal requests have been reverted to your hold balances. After September 15, 2019, they will be recalculated based on the company's actual profits and promptly paid out to you and other token holders.
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Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Vispilio on September 03, 2019, 10:10:37 PM
The fact that they constantly renegotiate the terms of service while also differentiating between the same tokens depending on where they
were purchased goes completely against the spirit of an immutable crypto currency, and even their original white paper for TELE...

Such total unprofessional behavior instigated by the CEO has cost this project the complete loss of support from about 80k really passionate community as well as obliterating their professional reputation...


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: ausie2019 on September 04, 2019, 07:38:17 AM
I just hope the CEO or any of his team member is reading all this and can act on it.



This funds will be awalable after september 15th.....


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All current withdrawal requests have been reverted to your hold balances. After September 15, 2019, they will be recalculated based on the company's actual profits and promptly paid out to you and other token holders.
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Exactly my point – what is their profit rate or proof that any of this ever happened?

They came up with this explanation and we're supposed to believe them, after they throw out on telegram anyone who dared to ask a question about their semi-criminal behavior?

They have been faking their numbers for a year – right now the amount of the sold tokens on their website has not changed for… weeks.

We did a test and purchased some – the number on their website for sold tokens remained unchanged – is that professionalism or plain scam?

Have you any idea how much money they would have to make in order to pay out 1.xx million every month – according to their token sale and ratio 2.00€ for 100 tokens – according to the fact that they pay only 40% from their profit – according to fact that they have only 40.000 users (which again is a joke – if they had 40.000 users in each of the 168 countries, okay, but in the whole world, that’s like 238 users per country, and we don’t even know how many of these 40,000 users actualy uses their services.)

According to these-their data, each of their users would have to be on the phone at least 2-4 hours per day, every day, or use the Internet for the double amount of that time (price tag 0,2€ for a call/0,1€ for data transfer), every day, 31 days per month.

Have you any idea what happens to your eyes if you use a phone for the Internet, watch the mini display of a phone 4-8 hours per day – every day – (and they were so lucky to get 40,000 dodo ducks to do that for a year?) – you can kiss your eyes goodbye forever.

The real scam came to light when they announced:

»Our call and internet features are back to normal. However, depending on the destination and the time you place your calls, some calls may cost more than 0.20 euro per call. These are market realities over which we have very little control. Sorry about that.”

This is a RED LINE for any company on this planet to ever do business with this crime gang called Miracle Tele. Any service provider on this earth must put out clear and transparent numbers-prices for their services.

There is no “Our prices are changing according to the market” In telecommunications this does not exist (step to your nearest cell phone services provider, show him this email of Miracle Tele and he will drop dead from laughing when he reads it).

A company is obligated to inform its customers up in front of any changes considering the prices for their services, and these guys waited for a year - A YEAR! to announce that… or were they confronted with an avalanche of complaints and threats from their 40,000 users who found out that the hard way – by using their service.

They had a good idea, everything that came after it looks like one mega scam after another.

This is why more and more countries ban ICOs in their countries.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_coin_offering


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: ausie2019 on September 05, 2019, 07:36:06 AM
I just hope the CEO or any of his team member is reading all this and can act on it.



This funds will be awalable after september 15th.....


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All current withdrawal requests have been reverted to your hold balances. After September 15, 2019, they will be recalculated based on the company's actual profits and promptly paid out to you and other token holders.
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It seems I misunderstood what you've tried to tell me here (luckily my mates caught it).

If what you copy-pasted here is true – if this A-holes from Miracle Tele really wanna pull this through then… God bless mother Russia.

First, they lock your money on their website so that you can't withdraw it.

Then they blackmail you with »buy our sim card, activate it, use it, or forget about your money for good.«
A sim card that comes with a hidden cost, every month, a cost that can increase as it pleases them.

Then comes their cost revelation
»No, we're not really charging 0,2€ per minute, it's a bit more

How much more? No idea, not a word about it.

Which country? Same answer… zero data or "you'll find it out when you use it…" as did thousands of users whose complaints probably forced them to this revelation.

Now they wanna take the money they already stole and cut it, deflate - devaluate it so that a user who had 100€ would end up with… 25€ if he's lucky. Someone who had 200€ will get 50€ from this crime gang and so on. Nice one.

We will add this to the list of criminal offenses executed by Miracle Tele.

They should slowly consider changing their name to "Russia Crime Gang Incorporated." It's a way better fit for their style of business.

Thanks for the heads up.
Let me know if you find any other criminal behavior executed by Miracle Tele we might've missed so far.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: madnessteat on September 05, 2019, 07:54:45 PM
I participated in the last bounty of Miracle Tele. We have received tokens for work that are expected to pay dividends (see the announcement at https://archive.fo/Ci4Zf, the bounty at https://archive.fo/xouZ8 and the project website at https://miracletele.com). Recently, people who have bought tokens on the open market or received tokens for work in the bounty have not received any awards. The team divided the erc-20 tokens into two types of "good" and "bad", although they are on the same smart contract. Don't trust them with your money. This is a very big risk!


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: adjiepangestu on September 06, 2019, 10:56:57 AM
It was clear for me that the project as scam as it forces users to unlock account for just 10euro without listing the tokens and they keep on pushing on it. There were no AMA, no good communication from team just abdtract anouncements. I have to say the telegram admin @Bowtiesarecool is also scamer since here strongly advocate the legitimate status of the project and ban for showing untrust.

I just checked the telegram and it turns out that CEO @miracleandrew has been inactive for a month, it looks like the CEO doesn't care anymore about this project and is trying to run away, they don't want to be said to be a scam by sending the latest news about Miracle tele via email, but it looks like it's no longer influential, people have lost faith in this project


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: aggress0r on September 07, 2019, 09:39:40 AM
I'm a tele holder and have a lot of suspicions concerning the projects. Okay you've cut all the tokens bought from the outside sources for a lower to equalize the investors but to cut the reward rate after all. Yes your plan to attract more and more users was fruitful really.
And as I mentioned in another topic - when depositing to exchanges was enabled it showed the real price of the token.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: ausie2019 on September 07, 2019, 12:38:48 PM
As some of you alerted me, you found a new glitch/scam on Miracletele website – Your tokens are DISAPPEARING!

I told you to keep your eyes on your profiles.

It all started yesterday when they reactivated the automated stacking, in other words, the website now adds the tokens automatically to stack as it did before all this shit started. Since then, your tokens from YOUR UPCOMING STACK got fewer with every new stack finished.
You received their emails that you have received your reward (peanuts), but your tokens are GONE… at least that is the case by those who notified me about it.

Okay, wait, they are not entirely gone, one can still see them under BALANCE – ACCOUNT – TOKEN – STACK – under it, you will (probably) find the correct number of your tokens.

If you check under RECENT TRANSACTION you will find all your missing tokens/sent rewards with no TRANSACTION ID.. this smells more and more like a computer glitch?

Another funny thing, under the same position you will find »waiting for transaction« as if it is not finished.

Ups, if you go under “MY WALLET” you can see the dreadful truth – maybe, maybe not, you will have a position under “keep tokens in stack” labeled as “STATUS OFF” and if you try to activate the status to on you get the “THESE TOKENS CANT BE STACKED ANY LONGER” response.

This means that their system throws out all your upcoming tokens from stack mode, once you receive your next reward! Bit by bit until there is nothing more left.

Yes, they are disappearing… by by tokens… by by your money… or not... who knows?

It could be that they are ending the reward scheme and this way say goodbye to you all.

By the 15.9 when ducks are back from their vacationing most of your tokens might be gone, and then you can all sing Kumbaya my money.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: GrosWesh on September 07, 2019, 02:34:32 PM
Thank you for sharing your ideas with the community. None of this is reassuring. And even less the fact that the ceo does not communicate anymore.

Many people were wary of miracle tele since the beginning ... and they were probably right !  I'm afraid we will not learn much more on September 15th, though.  ::)


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: mattyforcrypto on September 07, 2019, 03:51:36 PM
Okay, wait, they are not entirely gone, one can still see them under BALANCE – ACCOUNT – TOKEN – STACK – under it, you will (probably) find the correct number of your tokens.

If you check under RECENT TRANSACTION you will find all your missing tokens/sent rewards with no TRANSACTION ID.. this smells more and more like a computer glitch?

Another funny thing, under the same position you will find »waiting for transaction« as if it is not finished.

Ups, if you go under “MY WALLET” you can see the dreadful truth – maybe, maybe not, you will have a position under “keep tokens in stack” labeled as “STATUS OFF” and if you try to activate the status to on you get the “THESE TOKENS CANT BE STACKED ANY LONGER” response.

This means that their system throws out all your upcoming tokens from stack mode, once you receive your next reward! Bit by bit until there is nothing more left.

Yes, they are disappearing… by by tokens… by by your money… or not... who knows?

It could be that they are ending the reward scheme and this way say goodbye to you all.

By the 15.9 when ducks are back from their vacationing most of your tokens might be gone, and then you can all sing Kumbaya my money.


I kept sending my tokens to my private address and selling them after they got unstacked, which worked fine until today.

My recent transaction is stuck on 'Waiting for transaction' for over 12h now and I have the suspicion I won't get them at all.
BUT so far they still show up in the 'My Wallet' tab and nothing is missing, so there is still a chance they don't steal my tokens.
Also getting the 'Tokens cant be stacked any longer' message when I try to restack, but we won't ever get a pay-out anyway so dumping them would be the best move anyway.

Kind of wishing I sold them all when the price was super high, always getting too greedy  ::)


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: joosep on September 07, 2019, 04:39:16 PM


My recent transaction is stuck on 'Waiting for transaction' for over 12h now and I have the suspicion I won't get them at all.
BUT so far they still show up in the 'My Wallet' tab and nothing is missing, so there is still a chance they don't steal my tokens.
Also getting the 'Tokens cant be stacked any longer' message when I try to restack, but we won't ever get a pay-out anyway so dumping them would be the best move anyway.

Kind of wishing I sold them all when the price was super high, always getting too greedy  ::)

There on MiracleTele platform under TOKENS tab is a button to export wallet and then is possible to log in directly into MiracleTele account etherum address (with MyEhterWallet for instance) and send tele tokens out.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: samzamma on September 08, 2019, 02:43:34 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4330150.msg52391762#msg52391762


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Zemomtum on September 08, 2019, 04:33:09 AM
Miracle TELE is a professional scam done in conjunction with STEX Exchange. While would a token be listed and nobody can trade except the team alone. On their website, it says 0.2 EURO while on STEX exchange it was listed at the price of 0.5 EURO buy nobody can trade it, so there is an internal collaboration to deceive the public. Now, the Founder can no longer be found, he has removed himself from the official telegram account


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: GrosWesh on September 08, 2019, 09:04:32 AM
Miracle TELE is a professional scam done in conjunction with STEX Exchange. While would a token be listed and nobody can trade except the team alone. On their website, it says 0.2 EURO while on STEX exchange it was listed at the price of 0.5 EURO buy nobody can trade it, so there is an internal collaboration to deceive the public. Now, the Founder can no longer be found, he has removed himself from the official telegram account

It is true that it is difficult to really understand what happened with stex. I kept a close look at this during months and Tele token value has been well above 1$/tele. It lasted several months, while users were not allowed to deposit / withdraw.

The time has come for a real and strong regulation so that this kind of mafia methods end !


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: watergold on September 08, 2019, 11:18:48 AM
I am not sure if Miracle Tele is a scam and it is unfortunate if this project has to stop because I have been using a sim card for about a month and the network quality is very good here.Hopefully there is truth from the dev side that they don't really run away


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
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Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: ausie2019 on September 09, 2019, 07:09:52 AM
It seems they are trying to fix the glitch… yep, the tokens are back.
You can stack them, but they keep hanging in an endless loop… maybe they still work on whatever happened on their website.

Firefox had a similar case this year:

https://www.techradar.com/news/a-technical-glitch-has-broken-everyones-firefox-extensions

Which left, over 250 million users without their favorite addons and caused the biggest tsunami of curses against Mozilla.

This MiracleTele thing looks more and more like a disastrous case of mismanagement than a preplanned scam.

We did some research (I’m trying to help a mate who was stupid enough to invest his wife’s savings into this thing) to do some math connected to MiracleTele and what should be their first-primary targets when they started this enterprise:

There are over 40,000 airports with codes given by the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) with average, every day over 8 million people flying. In 2013 total passenger numbers were 3.1 billion—surpassing the 3 billion mark for the first time ever. That number is expected to grow to 3.3 billion in 2014 (equivalent to 44% of the world’s population)

Bus - bus industry services 1.5 billion urban public transport passengers per year.

Taxi, that’s a hard one. Here’s just for the USA; transportation network companies such as Uber Technologies Inc. and Lyft Inc. transported approximately 2.61 billion total U.S. passengers.

Hotels - STR Global estimates that there are worldwide 187,000 hotels, offering 17.5 million guest rooms, around the globe

Cruise ships - over 20 million people cruising each year.

And the list goes on and on… and on.

These should be MiracleTele’s primary targets since day one. And what did they do? They sent some guy to a couple of seminars about blockchain and… that’s it.

A year passes, millions of customers hungry for cheap worldwide phone calls, and billions of future profit lost forever.

If they invested at least five million in what you read here, they would have now a six if not a seven-figure number in paying customers.

I must retreat some things I wrote about the scam part (the blackmail stands, because it is what it is), but most of the other things are plain pure laziness and total lack of business enterprise from the Miracletele management.

They can fix it, not with hitting Africa as they plan. Yes, Africa is cheap and broke, but if they want long-term customers, then the above are their primary targets.

Keep your eyes on your accounts, and we’ll see what happens after 15-9-2019.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Daveprofile on September 10, 2019, 03:28:58 AM
I understand all. I don't think Miracle Tele is a scam. They just lack absolute clear communication and transparency. That is what I perceive. But the inclusion of stacking reward of 10% External deposit is great! That would increase trade volume, thus price.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Daveprofile on September 10, 2019, 05:04:39 AM
I just learnt that there is a fee for stacking.
So now we have:
1) Stacking Fees.
2) Deposit and Withdrawal fees
3) Sim Activation Fee
4) Call and Data payments, Thus fees.

All these are multiple ways the company uses to generate revenue. Not that bad in my opinion. Albeit that they keep it sustainable.

Still waiting for my Sim...


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: ausie2019 on September 10, 2019, 07:19:45 AM
I just learnt that there is a fee for stacking.
So now we have:
1) Stacking Fees.
2) Deposit and Withdrawal fees
3) Sim Activation Fee
4) Call and Data payments, Thus fees.

All these are multiple ways the company uses to generate revenue. Not that bad in my opinion. Albeit that they keep it sustainable.

Still waiting for my Sim...

You forgot the monthly fees for using one of their phone numbers which can be up to 15€… so 40,000 users make up to 600.000 euros per month, every month. That alone would cover over 60% of the monthly rewards they hand out (at 2€ per month).
MiracleTele should not have any money problems, they're bathing in it.

Oh, right, the stacking is back to normal, seems it was really just a glitch in their system.

Shit happens… even to Santa when he's drunk.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: aggress0r on September 10, 2019, 08:09:12 AM
I just learnt that there is a fee for stacking.
So now we have:
1) Stacking Fees.
2) Deposit and Withdrawal fees
3) Sim Activation Fee
4) Call and Data payments, Thus fees.

All these are multiple ways the company uses to generate revenue. Not that bad in my opinion. Albeit that they keep it sustainable.

Still waiting for my Sim...

You forgot the monthly fees for using one of their phone numbers which can be up to 15€… so 40,000 users make up to 600.000 euros per month, every month. That alone would cover over 60% of the monthly rewards they hand out (at 2€ per month).
MiracleTele should not have any money problems, they're bathing in it.

Oh, right, the stacking is back to normal, seems it was really just a glitch in their system.

Shit happens… even to Santa when he's drunk.


Your tokens were bought directly from the Miracle Tele Website? Today I was cut for stacking my bounty earned tokens. I knew that tokens bought from the external sources are not legit for stacking but didn't know that affects bounty points. Jeez


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: theta13 on September 10, 2019, 02:08:23 PM
Everyone received newsletter from Miracle? Such nice news! Uh, no ;D
Burchik has gone, new CEO. LOL


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Daveprofile on September 10, 2019, 07:14:06 PM
I just learnt that there is a fee for stacking.
So now we have:
1) Stacking Fees.
2) Deposit and Withdrawal fees
3) Sim Activation Fee
4) Call and Data payments, Thus fees.

All these are multiple ways the company uses to generate revenue. Not that bad in my opinion. Albeit that they keep it sustainable.

Still waiting for my Sim...

You forgot the monthly fees for using one of their phone numbers which can be up to 15€… so 40,000 users make up to 600.000 euros per month, every month. That alone would cover over 60% of the monthly rewards they hand out (at 2€ per month).
MiracleTele should not have any money problems, they're bathing in it.

Oh, right, the stacking is back to normal, seems it was really just a glitch in their system.

Shit happens… even to Santa when he's drunk.


Wow i didnt know of this since my sim has not been activated. Hmm.... Let's see how everything goes.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: jokers10 on September 10, 2019, 08:12:37 PM
Everyone received newsletter from Miracle? Such nice news! Uh, no ;D
Burchik has gone, new CEO. LOL

Do you really believe that? Easy search gives us an extract from the register (https://or.justice.cz/ias/ui/rejstrik-firma.vysledky?subjektId=1009571&typ=PLATNY&sp=H4sIAAAAAAAAAKtWykvMTU0JSCwCUiWpRcVKVtHVStmplUpWSpnJ%252BUo6SmWJOaWpQJ6BmaWZhZGF%250D%250AuVJtbC0A9GF66TYAAAA%253D%250D%250A) which says, that ANDREJS BURČIKS is an only secretary and an only partner of the Miracle Tele company. And the data is valid as of the date 10.9.2019 03:37. This is just making an another confusion of the situation from the project representatives.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: examplens on September 11, 2019, 02:14:55 AM
this is the end of the Miracle story. There is no more dev team, also "partners" in Africa they picked up the money.
This seems like the last attempt to squeeze more out there

I got this email from Miracle

Quote
Hey community,

Most of the team members decided to leave the project. It’s because of delayed payment and worsened company image. This happened because of dishonest partners in Africa who froze most of the money

I am Roman Golod, the new director of the MiracleTele company I took all possible anti-crisis measures to address the debts Salaries and rewards are now paid off in a usual manner. But we still lack enough money to launch new services and connect new clients.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: ausie2019 on September 11, 2019, 05:45:55 AM
this is the end of the Miracle story. There is no more dev team, also "partners" in Africa they picked up the money.
This seems like the last attempt to squeeze more out there

I got this email from Miracle

Quote
Hey community,

Most of the team members decided to leave the project. It’s because of delayed payment and worsened company image. This happened because of dishonest partners in Africa who froze most of the money

I am Roman Golod, the new director of the MiracleTele company I took all possible anti-crisis measures to address the debts Salaries and rewards are now paid off in a usual manner. But we still lack enough money to launch new services and connect new clients.

Maybe. Maybe not.

Putting an unknown entity, the person X »the Africans« in their story is an excellent way to buy time, the only question is time for what.

No one with a clear mind goes to do financial business in Africa… you go there to rob them from their natural resources, not to invest/store your millions there (no offense if you’re from Africa – if you are you know what I’m talking about).

So they need three months… for what … maybe this:

https://doctorbinder.com/recovery-tips-after-facial-reconstruction-2/
»Generally by 3 months after a rhinoplasty procedure, most of the swelling has subsided, the new shape and size of the nose is apparent, and patients can go back to their normal routines, including exercise..”
 
I know, I know, we’re back to conspiracy theories. So let’s take a look at facts:

to address the debts Salaries and rewards are now paid off in a usual manner.

Nothing changed as far this goes. You still cannot withdraw your money without having their sim-card (Please validate your account by activating Miracle Tele sim card to withdraw rewards), which means they still blackmail their investors. Also, your earnings are still split between pre-chaos, and after they lowered the reward rate.

Their reward rate rises at “pre-programmed 0,02€ per day which buys them extra time to… whatever they plan to do.

For you who invested (as did my stupid mate) way too much money in this, the targets stay the same, people cemented as MiracleTele’s heads and team members.

And yes, this Mr. Roman Golod is somehow connected to this story

https://icorating.com/people/roman-golod-12654/

Will he do anything to solve this mess? Did he write the latest email at all? (it was definitely translated from Russian)

Sending a business email to your investors without signing it is as good as a... pedophile without a dick.

Time will tell.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: ausie2019 on September 11, 2019, 05:52:33 AM

They were bouth through their website, not mine, my mates, I’m only assisting him here; he know waits for his assassin-wife to get home and hand him his punishment when she sees what he did with the money they planned to invest in their new home.

[/quote]
 Today I was cut for stacking my bounty earned tokens. I knew that tokens bought from the external sources are not legit for stacking but didn't know that affects bounty points. Jeez
[/quote]

Not according to this

https://medium.com/@miracletele.mobile/miracle-tele-massive-airdrop-answering-the-most-frequently-asked-questions-5f2d70f8bea2

Want to help us promote Miracle Tele by completing simple tasks and get up to 120 TELE tokens in return so that you can stack them, get biweekly token holder rewards, and then spend them either on our mobile services or withdraw them?


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Q2kc on September 11, 2019, 05:55:56 AM
LATEST UPDATE FROM THE EMAIL


Hey community,

Most of the team members decided to leave the project. It’s because of delayed payment and worsened company image. This happened because of dishonest partners in Africa who froze most of the money

I am Roman Golod, the new director of the MiracleTele company I took all possible anti-crisis measures to address the debts Salaries and rewards are now paid off in a usual manner. But we still lack enough money to launch new services and connect new clients.

The anti-crisis strategy will end on December 10.12.2019. after that reward rate will be highe

- Start of cooperation with the official distributor of Goip, Dingstar, Portech, Openvox, and DTT.

- Adding private virtual numbers with receiving sms for google, facebook, telegram, instagram, whatsup, etc), forward calls и voice message

- Adding new numbers to the Free SMS section

- Feature of listening received voice message on the numbers of the Free SMS service.

As everything else we do at MiracleTele, these changes are prompted by our current business needs and the interests of you, our customers and supporters. We are just trying to balance all the various factors while being fiscally responsible and trying to serve you better. As you well remember by now, MiracleTele is the modern-era mobile operator that brings you bureaucracy-free, private and secure system, high-quality telecom services and low rates. With your tokens, you can also take advantage of our blockchain-based loyalty program with bi-weekly token holder rewards.


https://i.imgur.com/ghMQeQE.png


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: yanikapetk on September 11, 2019, 07:15:16 PM
this is the end of the Miracle story. There is no more dev team, also "partners" in Africa they picked up the money.
This seems like the last attempt to squeeze more out there

I got this email from Miracle

Quote
Hey community,

Most of the team members decided to leave the project. It’s because of delayed payment and worsened company image. This happened because of dishonest partners in Africa who froze most of the money

I am Roman Golod, the new director of the MiracleTele company I took all possible anti-crisis measures to address the debts Salaries and rewards are now paid off in a usual manner. But we still lack enough money to launch new services and connect new clients.

Maybe. Maybe not.

Putting an unknown entity, the person X »the Africans« in their story is an excellent way to buy time, the only question is time for what.

No one with a clear mind goes to do financial business in Africa… you go there to rob them from their natural resources, not to invest/store your millions there (no offense if you’re from Africa – if you are you know what I’m talking about).

So they need three months… for what … maybe this:

https://doctorbinder.com/recovery-tips-after-facial-reconstruction-2/
»Generally by 3 months after a rhinoplasty procedure, most of the swelling has subsided, the new shape and size of the nose is apparent, and patients can go back to their normal routines, including exercise..”
 
I know, I know, we’re back to conspiracy theories. So let’s take a look at facts:

to address the debts Salaries and rewards are now paid off in a usual manner.

Nothing changed as far this goes. You still cannot withdraw your money without having their sim-card (Please validate your account by activating Miracle Tele sim card to withdraw rewards), which means they still blackmail their investors. Also, your earnings are still split between pre-chaos, and after they lowered the reward rate.

Their reward rate rises at “pre-programmed 0,02€ per day which buys them extra time to… whatever they plan to do.

For you who invested (as did my stupid mate) way too much money in this, the targets stay the same, people cemented as MiracleTele’s heads and team members.

And yes, this Mr. Roman Golod is somehow connected to this story

https://icorating.com/people/roman-golod-12654/

Will he do anything to solve this mess? Did he write the latest email at all? (it was definitely translated from Russian)

Sending a business email to your investors without signing it is as good as a... pedophile without a dick.

Time will tell.


Btw., the link of Mr. Roman Golod  https://icorating.com/people/roman-golod-12654/ is not related to the actual Mr. Golod! The real Mr. Golod is on the white paper on the site, FB, Instagram etc. So wrong link!


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: aundroid on September 11, 2019, 09:23:45 PM
Has anyone else noticed that there are no Linkedin profiles available for half the team?  ;D

And yes, this Mr. Roman Golod is somehow connected to this story

https://icorating.com/people/roman-golod-12654/

Well, this certainly isn't the real Roman Golod.
This is the team (although the CFO was originally a woman if I remember correctly)
https://i.imgur.com/JBkQTv6.jpg
[source: https://icobench.com/ico/miracle-tele]


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: ausie2019 on September 12, 2019, 07:34:43 AM
Has anyone else noticed that there are no Linkedin profiles available for half the team?  ;D

And yes, this Mr. Roman Golod is somehow connected to this story

https://icorating.com/people/roman-golod-12654/

Well, this certainly isn't the real Roman Golod.
https://i.imgur.com/JBkQTv6.jpg
[source: https://icobench.com/ico/miracle-tele]

No, it is a picture. Who told you that the photos on their website are the real people who stand behind the company? A five-year-old can using free software available on the net put a monkey’s face under any of their names…
… which only shows how much work awaits agencies and courts if Miracletele doesn’t fix their stuff and starts operating as a company.

Some good news (as some of you let me know) is that MiracleTele started as a 100% legit company, allowing its investors to purchase their tokens with credit cards and wire transfer. This leaves an inerasable trace that any courts and agencies can trace to anyone who ever had access to these accounts and its money.

If you purchased your tokens this way, great for you, if not here’s another pathway:

https://www.theblockcrypto.com/post/17769/ico-token-didnt-entitle-buyers-to-profits-u-s-judge-says-it-sounds-like-a-security-anyway/
https://www.law360.com/cases/5a3cf0346ec6926bb1000005
https://bravenewcoin.com/insights/lawsuits-triple-as-regulators-take-aim-at-crypto
https://www.theblockcrypto.com/post/35775/sec-files-emergency-lawsuit-against-veritaseum-to-stop-spending-millions-of-dollars-in-ico-money/
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/sec-case-against-kik-ico-040032476.html

Class action cases against ico’s are nothing unusual, they might be under-reported, but they happen, all over the world, every day, each time a company does not deliver on their promises to its investors.

It would be nice for Miracletele to stop addressing you as your »community.«
According to law, you are and will always be first and foremost their INVESTORS, and as such you are protected by any criminal behavior Miracletele might execute against you (INCLUDING BLACKMAILING YOU TO PURCHASE THEIR SIM CARDS TO GET WHAT IS YOURS) trying to fix the mess they’ve caused while sitting on their asses for a year and doing nothing to promote their business.

Some of you already lawyer-ed up, which is good. Collect any evidence you have, store your emails, and all your communications with Miracletele and wait, wait for this miracle of Miracletele to happen.
 
It seems someone from Miracletele is following this message-board… Today for the first time, the worth of their reward did not rise… a day after I’ve posted, »Their reward rate rises at “pre-programmed 0,02€ per day which buys them extra time to…”

Hello MiracleTele, nice from you to drop by, how about you start doing your job and promote what you build so far… not with Africans, Mexicans, or Lord of the rings, but on a worldwide platform.

Keep your promises to your investors, or face the music.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: fratelc on September 12, 2019, 01:05:54 PM
I think we will get the money we have invested, some day....  ;D

THINK POSITIVE!


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Vispilio on September 12, 2019, 01:52:25 PM


Hello MiracleTele, nice from you to drop by, how about you start doing your job and promote what you build so far… not with Africans, Mexicans, or Lord of the rings, but on a worldwide platform.

Keep your promises to your investors, or face the music.


Excellent post,

now I don't know how much of Mr.Roman Golod's recent newsletter is telling the truth, but at some point there was a semblance of legitimacy
in this company called Miracle Tele. It's unfortunate if what they say is true regarding the African adventure, a very controversial and objectionable place to begin any expansion projects, but water under the bridge.

What really sank the reputation of the company (and TELE price) is then to play games with the investors, going against their original terms of service for stacking and white paper and outright stupid tactics like differentiating between identical tokens bought from different sources.

I hope Mr.Golod can fix these issues at once, if he has any hope of restoring the reputation and business of Miracle Tele.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: kazu83m on September 13, 2019, 07:46:27 AM
damn i can only stack a certain amount of token now the one i purchased, and not the one i received for free, wtf i do with them, with token i can't stack, cause i can't even move them to send in another wallet...

btw do you know how i can withdraw my earnings?

https://i.imgur.com/hvxaR0n.png



Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: ausie2019 on September 13, 2019, 02:10:26 PM

btw do you know how i can withdraw my earnings?

https://i.imgur.com/hvxaR0n.png



You're in the same boat as all the other MiracleTele investors.

The amount of money you could withdraw is too small (I think you must have at least 10€ for a withdrawal).

The other money is waiting for MiracleTele to figure out what they will do with their mess of a company, as stated in one of their previous emails.

Purchasing their sim-card would be the most stupid thing you could do here.

Again, money is for them no problem, whatever they did, the 14+millions they got from you, their investors, and the monthly super-income from their phone customers as the extra money they're getting from monthly fees for phone numbers… and the list goes on and on; all this tells even an illiterate monkey that money is no issue for Miracletele.

MiracleTele must clear up whatever bugs they got in their heads and start operating as a company.

At the moment, MiracleTele holds your money ransom with their blackmail-email "purchase our sim-card or forget your money."

The amount you have is to small to go alone against them, you could try to find others from your country on Telegram and start a group (class action lawsuit) against MiracleTele, or even better, get yourself a pro-bono lawyer; especially the young ones, those who just started their careers are hungry for cases like this (I know, I've been there).

But all this has time. MiracleTele has an option to fix the mess caused by their behavior and decisions.
You can only sit and wait for their decision.

If it's the right one, you all might one day look back at these days with a smile on your faces and money in your pockets.

If MiracleTele makes the wrong decision, then... then the hunt is on.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: ausie2019 on September 14, 2019, 09:00:01 AM
A reminder for all MiracleTele INVESTORS,

tomorrow is 15-9-2019, the day which an unsigned (anonymous) Miracletele’s email from Aug 28,2019 picked as:

“All current withdrawal requests have been reverted to your hold balances. After Sept 15, 2019, they will be recalculated based on the company’s actual profits and promptly paid out to you and other token holders.”


The latest email from MiracleTele from Sept 10, 2019, contradicted this with the statement:

“I am Roman Golod, the new director of the MiracleTele company I took all possible anti-crisis measures to address the debts Salaries and rewards ARE NOW PAID OFF IN A USUAL MANNER.”

The part “I took all possible anti-crisis measures to address the debts Salaries and rewards are now paid off in a usual manner” would according to our lawyer team mean that MiracleTele officially announced to pay out ALL MONEY they are holding ransom with their blackmail-email in which they demanded from you, their INVESTORS, to purchase and use their sim-cards.

In a way that is good news. The email, however, does not specify a date on which the 100% payout will be executed, is it 15.09 or 10.12.2019, the date which Mr. Golod mentioned in his writing.

Whichever date it is, it would be nice from Mr. Golod to step forward and once for all clarify – officially apologize, for the blackmail attempt (buy our sim-cards or forget your money) executed against the MiracleTele INVESTORS in the company’s email from Aug 29, 2019.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: aggress0r on September 14, 2019, 01:17:19 PM
Dang I purchased the sim-card as I fell for that letter. It took me 10 Euro that I deposited to activate account. Waiting for tomorrow :-\


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: kazu83m on September 14, 2019, 05:03:22 PM
Dang I purchased the sim-card as I fell for that letter. It took me 10 Euro that I deposited to activate account. Waiting for tomorrow :-\

my sim card has been shipped, now i'm waiting for it, let see if i can withdraw later


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: ausie2019 on September 15, 2019, 08:07:17 AM
Dang I purchased the sim-card as I fell for that letter. It took me 10 Euro that I deposited to activate account. Waiting for tomorrow :-\

In a way, that is good.
You now have proof that they executed their blackmail by allowing you to make such a purchase.

If they allow you to withdraw your money AFTER you activate their sim card, then, congratulations MiracleTele, you are officially a financial crime gang.

https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/what-is-a-ponzi-scheme-31483

»If you believe you have been the victim of a Ponzi scheme or pyramid scheme, or would like someone to analyze a potential investment opportunity to ensure that you do not become the victim of such a scheme, you should contact a local attorney with experience in financial and securities law. You can find a list of attorneys in your area by visiting our Law Firms page.”

Here’s what I love when dealing with international court cases, it takes only one case in whichever country on this planet to pinpoint a company as what it is. No matter if the case is ongoing, was settled outside court, or dismissed by a court, each followed-up case in any court on this planet would automatically see this as a red flag against the company since someone else already started a similar investigation.

This resembles a domino effect against the defendant – aka the accused company. Courts and judges always dig deep into the history of the company and its business, which includes every single person connected to the company before the case starts.

Make sure you keep all the data you got from MiracleTele, from emails to screenshots of your account on their website, including the one with your sim-card order. Lawyers will need every single piece of evidence.

The first-original team from MiracleTele was stupid enough to leave tons of track of their activities, which is why this more and more resembles to a hit and run of a single person than a company. Either way, the company is responsible for their actions, and the funds they received.

If they don’t get their ducks in a row, and this ends in courts, no judge, court, tribunal, or magistrate will show mercy to their made-up excuse, “dishonest partners in Africa.”

There is no such thing as Africans in the financial business. AFRICA IS A CONTINENT.

A company does not do financial business with a continent, it can only do business with a specific legal entity in a particular country.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: WTIPAsset on September 16, 2019, 10:05:40 PM
Dang I purchased the sim-card as I fell for that letter. It took me 10 Euro that I deposited to activate account. Waiting for tomorrow :-\

In a way, that is good.
You now have proof that they executed their blackmail by allowing you to make such a purchase.

If they allow you to withdraw your money AFTER you activate their sim card, then, congratulations MiracleTele, you are officially a financial crime gang.

https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/what-is-a-ponzi-scheme-31483

»If you believe you have been the victim of a Ponzi scheme or pyramid scheme, or would like someone to analyze a potential investment opportunity to ensure that you do not become the victim of such a scheme, you should contact a local attorney with experience in financial and securities law. You can find a list of attorneys in your area by visiting our Law Firms page.”

Here’s what I love when dealing with international court cases, it takes only one case in whichever country on this planet to pinpoint a company as what it is. No matter if the case is ongoing, was settled outside court, or dismissed by a court, each followed-up case in any court on this planet would automatically see this as a red flag against the company since someone else already started a similar investigation.

This resembles a domino effect against the defendant – aka the accused company. Courts and judges always dig deep into the history of the company and its business, which includes every single person connected to the company before the case starts.

Make sure you keep all the data you got from MiracleTele, from emails to screenshots of your account on their website, including the one with your sim-card order. Lawyers will need every single piece of evidence.

The first-original team from MiracleTele was stupid enough to leave tons of track of their activities, which is why this more and more resembles to a hit and run of a single person than a company. Either way, the company is responsible for their actions, and the funds they received.

If they don’t get their ducks in a row, and this ends in courts, no judge, court, tribunal, or magistrate will show mercy to their made-up excuse, “dishonest partners in Africa.”

There is no such thing as Africans in the financial business. AFRICA IS A CONTINENT.

A company does not do financial business with a continent, it can only do business with a specific legal entity in a particular country.


think you should wait if they lost money they lost money but they seem to be trying to recover the money and some money just got put on hold and pay outs reduced, maybe the problem will be fixed over time and any action you take would make the situation worse,
 means more people lose out, that kind of action means people lose out as well. better to wait and see. could just be someone stole their money and therefore the are not as much profits as before because technically they took a loss.

you can wait and see the crisis measures seem obvious. you have to wait till whenever they claim they are fixing the problem.

lost profits if someone else stole the cash they had by being shady, probably got tricked by a Nigerian scammer or something pretending to be a government official or telecommunication owner. common trick, they always take peoples money and get seriously rich from scamming unsuspecting victims into a scam.

can't be a ponzi scheme, because a mobile company is a regular payment as long as you use the network the money is coming from users, a ponzi scheme is more coming from the bottom of a chain, not paying customers who use a service that is different.

a ponzi scheme is different to a mobile phone operation system, think this is more like a cooperative system, if they get scammed you got scammed by the people who tricked them into believing they ran a mobile phone operation to expand into Africa.

and if anything you'd have to track them down, the people who in Africa scammed them to get the cash back, the is a youtube channel that knows how to track them,  was watching youtube the other week where this guy talks to these e-mail scammers and tracks where they are from you can find them, and you could probably get the money back if the company found them.

the Nigerian scammer is a well known concept, so they have been scammed by something similar.
a fake African Tele communication manager who was really just living in a hut somewhere in Ghana or Nigeria, has taken them for a fortune but they could actually find them.

you are going to punish the company for a mistake because someone scammed them, from Africa somewhere probably Nigeria or Ghana, most likely.

they probably should of taken a different more careful approach before believing who they are talking to, these Nigerian scammers are experts at conning people out of cash.
this guy's channel highlights what they do. certainly personally think they have been scammed by something like this,

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAPrhJwVweWZA8GEPoClSdw/videos

sound like they believed a fairy tale and a bunch of Nigerian scammer took the cash based on blatant deceptions and got seriously rich from that,

the way the company can find them that guy's channel goes over, all they have to do, is pretend they are interested in doing another big money deal from another company, and track them with links. and they can find the location data of where they are, and get the cash back.

the real people that owe the money are probably from Nigeria, would say Nigerian scammers, but could be from another country but Nigeria is more well known for these scams.

believed to be true they got tricked by a Nigerian Scammers.
so they took a big loss and they panicked and they probably lost a-lot of money via a transaction and totally panicked rather than being criminals themselves they fell victim to criminals.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: ausie2019 on September 17, 2019, 07:12:36 AM
Dang I purchased the sim-card as I fell for that letter. It took me 10 Euro that I deposited to activate account. Waiting for tomorrow :-\

https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/what-is-a-ponzi-scheme-31483

»


believed to be true they got tricked by a Nigerian Scammers.


Some of the things you wrote make sense, most of them is complete bonkers, mate.

“can’t be a ponzi scheme - a ponzi scheme is different to a mobile phone operation system”

I never wrote this is a Ponzi but a stupid-ass group of people who have no idea how to run a business.

“the people who in Africa scammed them to get the cash back - the Nigerian scammer is a well known concept…”

Yes it is a 200 year old trick:

https://www.ranker.com/list/history-of-the-nigerian-prince-scam/melissa-brinks

That’s why no one with a working brain would ever think off doing financial business in Africa, not even if you put a gun to one’s head.

The first rule in business these days is - do the background check before you sign a cheque!

If they are literate in English, a single search through Google would give them the answer – hands off Africa – period!

“probably got tricked by a Nigerian scammer or something pretending to be a government official or telecommunication owner. a common trick, they always take peoples money and get seriously rich from scamming unsuspecting victims into a scam. - a fake African Telecommunication manager who was really just living in a hut somewhere in Ghana or Nigeria, has taken them for a fortune”

Mate, seriously, what’s wrong with your brain?

Why would a company (Miracletele) which deals with a state of the art communication service, connected with blockchain, which only goal is to introduce new, cutting edge apps, go and do business in one of the most deprived, backyard, previous-century continents, which telecommunication system is famous only for

https://businesstech.co.za/news/telecommunications/291446/spam-calling-is-getting-worse-in-south-africa-its-among-the-worst-in-the-world/

And even if all that you wrote is true, even if they have been that stupid (my kangaroo wouldn’t fall for a trick like that) even with all that in mind, they have no right to:

- Ban their users and investors from their chat system on Telegram
- Lie about what goes on in their company to their investors
- Keep changing rules and lies as it fits them
- Blackmail their investors with BUY OUR SIM CARD OR KISS YOUR MONEY GOODBYE!
 
Wait, that actually does sound like a Nigeria scam. Great, you actually found something that makes sense in this fiasco they have created.

But, you’re right, it could easily be they are trying to fix the mess which they have created, which however does not give them the right to BLACKMAIL THEIR INVESTORS, the reward for such behavior is simple – JAIL!

On the other hand, they could be sitting this very moment somewhere at Black sea, sipping vodka and laughing their asses off at the stupidity of their investors who are purchasing their sim cards, pushing even more money to their secret bank accounts, while their website runs on auto-mode...

... until they one day decide to shut it down.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: fratelc on September 17, 2019, 09:44:30 AM
--------- Forwarded message ---------
Od: MiracleTelecom <do_not_reply@miracletele.com>
Date: V tor., 17. sep. 2019 ob 11:15
Subject: Important News and Further Plans

http://shrani.si/f/x/Cm/1ZmuVUt7/miraclenews.jpg


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: eelorriaga on September 17, 2019, 06:43:57 PM
i have not recover my balance still although is more than september 15th.
i cant also withdraw even i have an active and correctly linked to my account simcard.
i am thinking on starting legal actions as stated above.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: fratelc on September 17, 2019, 07:43:24 PM
i have not recover my balance still although is more than september 15th.
i cant also withdraw even i have an active and correctly linked to my account simcard.
i am thinking on starting legal actions as stated above.

Dear User,
Thank you for contacting Miracle Tele Customer Care.



It is on hold until the news. Please be patient and wait.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: ausie2019 on September 18, 2019, 08:06:57 AM

i am thinking on starting legal actions as stated above.

Wait or don't wait, that is the question.

Whatever you do, do not make a move – contact anyone at Miracletele, before you do the following:
Decide if you wanna do this alone or join a class action lawsuit.

Unless you're a millionaire (in which case you will ignore anything I wrote, since you already have a lawyer) you should get more guns on board, in other words, contact Miracletele users on Telegram, and this forum, especially those from your country, but also others.

Start gathering evidence, screenshots from your accounts, download PDF-s of your payments, anything that is available on their website, and there are tons of data your lawyer and court will be happy to use.
In yesterday's email, Miracletele for the first time officially ADMITTED EXECUTING THEIR BLACKMAIL, by sending out sim-cards in THOUSANDS to their users. Great news for any court or judge, because Miracletele no longer can pledge »a single mistake, a glitch in the system.«

They did it, it is criminal, and the reward/punishment is jail.

However, your goal is to get your money, I presume. Therefore your should do what you lawyer advises you, which, I presume will be to contact Miracletele once you have all the evidence against them collected.

Make sure you do this through an email they don't know it is yours or in any way connected to your Miracletele account (to avoid erasing your data from their website.)

Search for financial police/Internet fraud department in your country; they might have different names, but each country has them.

Once you have all this gathered you, or your lawyer (or lawyers) will contact Miracletele with a simple email (not linked to your account on Miracletele), informing them they have a certain amount of time to open all of their blackmail-locked accounts of all their investors.

You can provide them the number of investors that have joined you with their data available on Miracletele website (no names, or from where they are, just a number) with the blackmail email you all have received, including their confession of executing the blackmail by receiving the payments, issuing the sim-cards. You have all this in their meails, black on white.

Why contacting Miracletele first before you go to court? Simply, because I still believe this is a work of completely incapable group of people, who are stupid enough thinking they will get away with it, having no idea what a financial blackmail is and what is its punishment.

Once they realize the power of courts, which can easily shut down their phone service if necessary in the process, they will think twice which way to take.

If you simply start a case in a court, you will get some satisfaction, but most probably also drove Miracletele into bankruptcy… others will start similar cases in their countries which will cause an avalanche against Miracletele and end in its annihilation.

If you go alone against them, they will most probably ignore you, that is the worst path when dealing with Internet-related financial crimes.

If you confront them, armed with other investors, which Miracletele blackmailed into ordering – buying – paying - and using their sim-cards by locking their money, then, you have a strong case and Miracletele only two options:

1-They can start acting as a company and open all accounts as they have promised, regardless if their investors are using their sim-cards or not, or…

2… take the legal path, which will cement their names as criminals in the history of ICOs, case, after, case – country, after country, jail sentence after jail sentence.

Take your time and don't rush it.

These guys at Miracletele might be good when it comes to dealing with telecommunication stuff, but have zero experience at what it means dealing with investors' money and legal consequences it brings if you blackmail your investors with criminal demands - as they did.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: eelorriaga on September 18, 2019, 02:42:29 PM
http://prntscr.com/p7szbj
yesterday i send an email in spanish and in less than an hour i get an answer.
yesterday also i asked about frozen withdrawalls and no one has answer me.
the sim card is linked
http://prntscr.com/p7t10p


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: ausie2019 on September 19, 2019, 04:35:05 AM
http://prntscr.com/p7szbj
yesterday i send an email in spanish and in less than an hour i get an answer.
yesterday also i asked about frozen withdrawalls and no one has answer me.
the sim card is linked
http://prntscr.com/p7t10p

Stalling is the name of the game.

The longer they keep up this, the more dodo-ducks will buy their sim-cards, get into their system, pour more money to their accounts.

For those of you who never dealt with ICO’s, here’s how deep a scam can go when one takes its time to set up a fake business:

https://www.quora.com/

Yep, they have it all, working tool/product, debit cards, official celebs who promoted their business.

"Notably, $32 million Centra Tech garnered celebrity support (most famously from DJ Khaled), but was exposed for ICO fraud back in April of 2018, according to Fortune. The company was sued for misleading investors and lying about products, among other fraudulent activities.”

Read it, every line, and among it, you will find, the MiracleTele model.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: CoinBC on September 20, 2019, 07:26:57 AM
Now adays everyone is scamming lol .


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: fratelc on September 20, 2019, 12:11:01 PM
Now adays everyone is scamming lol .

All you need is a miracle. The rest is small talk.  :o


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: kazu83m on September 21, 2019, 07:48:01 AM
got my famous sim card, but i cant activate it, what a joke...
unbranded a white blank plastic card

https://i.imgur.com/b9JCmwH.jpg


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: GrosWesh on September 21, 2019, 09:00:45 AM
got my famous sim card, but i cant activate it, what a joke...
unbranded a white blank plastic card

https://i.imgur.com/b9JCmwH.jpg

At least you'll be able to scratch your car windshield next winter with this item :)


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: ausie2019 on September 21, 2019, 01:50:25 PM
got my famous sim card, but i cant activate it, what a joke...
unbranded a white blank plastic card

https://i.imgur.com/b9JCmwH.jpg

Did you follow the instructions for the card's activation?

You must somehow link it to their website and your account.

No idea how that goes, I'm just repeating something a kangaroo forwarded me.

https://www.facebook.com/MiracleTele/posts/its-really-easy-to-use-miracle-tele-sim-card-and-the-only-thing-you-need-to-do-t/305017976951694/

Or step by step:

Connect your device to wifi – enter phone settings – go to mobile networks and add a new APN indicating miracletele.com in the APN field.

Activation – login to your account on miracletele.com click on activate Simcard in your member area and follow the instructions.

Get a number - https://miracletele.com/operator/

And pray to God you don't pick one of those numbers that'll cost you 15€ or more per month.

Ups there's also a fee for the activation of your phone number – 6€.

Yep, it suddenly doesn't look so cheap anymore, doesn't it?


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: kazu83m on September 23, 2019, 12:27:03 PM
got my famous sim card, but i cant activate it, what a joke...
unbranded a white blank plastic card

https://i.imgur.com/b9JCmwH.jpg

Did you follow the instructions for the card's activation?

You must somehow link it to their website and your account.

No idea how that goes, I'm just repeating something a kangaroo forwarded me.

https://www.facebook.com/MiracleTele/posts/its-really-easy-to-use-miracle-tele-sim-card-and-the-only-thing-you-need-to-do-t/305017976951694/

Or step by step:

Connect your device to wifi – enter phone settings – go to mobile networks and add a new APN indicating miracletele.com in the APN field.

Activation – login to your account on miracletele.com click on activate Simcard in your member area and follow the instructions.

Get a number - https://miracletele.com/operator/


And pray to God you don't pick one of those numbers that'll cost you 15€ or more per month.

Ups there's also a fee for the activation of your phone number – 6€.

Yep, it suddenly doesn't look so cheap anymore, doesn't it?



nothing tried everything you wrote but it's doesn't work, to save an APN you need at least an MMC number that i don't know what to write on


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Frandydandy on September 23, 2019, 12:50:03 PM
got my famous sim card, but i cant activate it, what a joke...
unbranded a white blank plastic card

https://i.imgur.com/b9JCmwH.jpg

Did you follow the instructions for the card's activation?

You must somehow link it to their website and your account.

No idea how that goes, I'm just repeating something a kangaroo forwarded me.

https://www.facebook.com/MiracleTele/posts/its-really-easy-to-use-miracle-tele-sim-card-and-the-only-thing-you-need-to-do-t/305017976951694/

Or step by step:

Connect your device to wifi – enter phone settings – go to mobile networks and add a new APN indicating miracletele.com in the APN field.

Activation – login to your account on miracletele.com click on activate Simcard in your member area and follow the instructions.

Get a number - https://miracletele.com/operator/


And pray to God you don't pick one of those numbers that'll cost you 15€ or more per month.

Ups there's also a fee for the activation of your phone number – 6€.

Yep, it suddenly doesn't look so cheap anymore, doesn't it?



nothing tried everything you wrote but it's doesn't work, to save an APN you need at least an MMC number that i don't know what to write on
 

anp - miracletelecom
sim profile - !T  (setting up in sim manager - default smartphone program)
operator data - R

Hope you find it useful, buddy


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: ausie2019 on September 23, 2019, 12:59:36 PM
got my famous sim card, but i cant activate it, what a joke...
unbranded a white blank plastic card

https://i.imgur.com/b9JCmwH.jpg






nothing tried everything you wrote but it's doesn't work, to save an APN you need at least an MMC number that i don't know what to write on


Did you mean the

Mobile Network Code (MNC): A two-digit code that represents the SIM card’s home network. Mobile Subscriber Identification Number (MSIN): A unique ten-digit identifying number that identifies the specific subscriber to the GSM network.

You can’t get that before you pick one from their website – I’m just guessing here, I never did it, and God almighty help those who end up doing this.

According to the old system for the card set-up, one should add a new APN with indicating:

“miracletele-com”

in the APN field, that’s all, that should do the trick unless they’ve changed something… which I cannot know.

Then you activate it through miracletele website and your member’s area.

Then you get a number through the miracletele.com/sim/
 
If nothing works write to their support email and pray that someone answers… don’t expect any wonders, just pray.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: fratelc on September 24, 2019, 09:25:16 AM
No payment from 11th of September all payments are PENDING - http://shrani.si/f/1v/qg/2pIvTcXY/pandingmiracle.jpg

To Bitcoin and also wire....   >:(


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: joniboini on September 25, 2019, 04:09:43 AM
No payment from 11th of September all payments are PENDING -
To Bitcoin and also wire....   >:(

They're likely running out of funds to pay you guys.

It was expected as their business is not as good as you'd expect it would be. Just imagine how can they sustain a business where most users are staking and don't generate new revenues. On top of that, I heard they're blacklisting tokens from forkdelta/etherdelta because lots of people are buying cheap tokens over there, which cause their token sale did not run as expected.

You should expect that thing like this will happen sooner or later. Just forget your tokens, move on and spread awareness about this case so nobody falls to the same trap.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: ausie2019 on September 25, 2019, 07:35:49 AM
No payment from 11th of September all payments are PENDING -
To Bitcoin and also wire....   >:(

They're likely running out of funds to pay you guys.

On top of that, I heard they're blacklisting tokens from forkdelta/etherdelta because lots of people are buying cheap tokens over there, which cause their token sale did not run as expected.


The part about blacklisting tokens is true and correct; why should they pay interest for something that was not bought through their system? It goes against any logic of any business on this planet.

The part:

Just imagine how can they sustain a business where most users are staking and don’t generate new revenues.

It’s the opposite, you forgot that they offered to pay the bi-weekly rewards through the profit made of their mobile services, and that is according to any website that researched their business A FREAKING GOLDEN GOOSE.

Here’s where Miracletele screwed up big time:

According to this

https://icomaking.com/how-many-people-own-cryptocurrency/

There’re 153 million addresses belonging to users in BTC base system.

Of course, some of them use multiple accounts, and so on, but okay, let’s say there’re 120 million of them, that is less than 0,0??% of 7,53 billion people on this planet.

According to this:

https://www.bankmycell.com/blog/how-many-phones-are-in-the-world

“there are now over 5.13 Billion people with mobile devices worldwide– This means that 66.53% of the world’s population has a mobile device.”

This is miracletele’s target audience!

Not this shit bullshit “There’re 153 million addresses belonging to users in BTC base system.”

These 153 million mean nothing. They’re mostly oriented to make quick bucks or avoid government surveillance.

The sad truth about Miracletele is that they had a cemented golden opportunity to turn their project into a triple million profit yearly, easily...

...If they did their homework, instead of sitting on their asses for a year and dreaming about a… miracle.

This is what awaits them if they don’t fix their game:

https://techcrunch.com/2019/06/04/sec-expands-its-war-on-cryptocurrency-companies-with-a-lawsuit-against-kik/

The war against crypto scams is spreading all over the world at a rapid pace.

It does not matter if you from Nigeria, Russia, or The planet of the apes. If you scam your investors, you will feel the heat and end up in jail.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Chrystora123 on September 26, 2019, 07:27:29 AM
No payment from 11th of September all payments are PENDING -
To Bitcoin and also wire....   >:(

They're likely running out of funds to pay you guys.

It was expected as their business is not as good as you'd expect it would be. Just imagine how can they sustain a business where most users are staking and don't generate new revenues. On top of that, I heard they're blacklisting tokens from forkdelta/etherdelta because lots of people are buying cheap tokens over there, which cause their token sale did not run as expected.

You should expect that thing like this will happen sooner or later. Just forget your tokens, move on and spread awareness about this case so nobody falls to the same trap.
I initially thought that this project was a good long term because the concepts offered were different, but I started to get suspicious about things that were not good 1 week after the admin suggested depositing the account.  Luckily I immediately sold TELE tokens when prices were high because of my hunch, so I don't lose big.



Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Frandydandy on September 26, 2019, 09:04:17 PM
They had blocked my account , Support didn't respond for my mails


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: fratelc on September 27, 2019, 12:19:13 PM
No payment from 11th of September all payments are PENDING - http://shrani.si/f/1v/qg/2pIvTcXY/pandingmiracle.jpg

To Bitcoin and also wire....   >:(

still pending.... ???


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: aggress0r on September 27, 2019, 04:21:02 PM
Lol at first they stopped stacking bounty tokens and now since I've ordered a Sim card - no information about shipping and its was paid month ago. Can't withdraw any earnings and those that are "frozen till September 15".


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: fratelc on September 30, 2019, 06:56:21 AM
No payment for 19 days!
http://shrani.si/f/22/q2/2LH1xfE6/nopaymentmiracle19daysne.jpg


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Rodeo02 on September 30, 2019, 07:48:18 AM
There is no more payment to recieve, miracle tele is totally scam bro. Check thier telegram group more of the investors is complaing about pending widrawals you cant widraw even you recieve your ordered sim card and another thing to affraid off is no one answering the questions in telegram.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Vispilio on October 02, 2019, 01:27:40 AM
Lol at first they stopped stacking bounty tokens and now since I've ordered a Sim card - no information about shipping and its was paid month ago. Can't withdraw any earnings and those that are "frozen till September 15".

Exactly the same situation here, I ordered a sim card on Sep 1st, no updates on it since a month. Chances of this company closing shop are increasing day by day. The smart play was selling TELE at 0.23-0.24 EUR / token, which quite a number of reasonable investors managed to do.

I got a bit greedy thinking that the token price could at least briefly touch 0.50 after the initial exchange launch, but the company's grossly exaggerated business model failed right before that... Lesson learnt.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: aggress0r on October 02, 2019, 09:17:08 AM

I got a bit greedy thinking that the token price could at least briefly touch 0.50 after the initial exchange launch, but the company's grossly exaggerated business model failed right before that... Lesson learnt.
I got greedy too as I've bought bunch of tokens alongside with bounty tokens and managed to receive decent profit furthermore wanted to go all-in with TELE.
Since I saw Stex exchange situation when the token was traded and it's price was high with no ability to deposit I refused to invest in TELE more.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: JakELips on October 02, 2019, 09:52:57 PM
They blocked my account for not logging in for three months.
Investment and airdrop gone.
They won't unblock the account they said.

These are SCAMMERS!

Stay away - be warned!


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: sujonali1819 on October 03, 2019, 06:41:04 PM
Even though I don't know the project is a scam or not, I still have to say that the project's movement is like as scam exit. Many people are complaining about this project And I am also suffering too. For a few days the staking bonus was increasing 2 cents perday from 48 cents to 1.16$.  And Yesterday suddenly the rewards again fall to 1.10$.  Overall No such behaviour  can be expected from a good project at all. It's very shady behaviour by miracle tele project.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: fratelc on October 03, 2019, 06:45:09 PM
http://shrani.si/f/m/AW/34MjwaNE/miraclenews.jpg
http://shrani.si/f/1g/ek/2bx5USdD/miraclenews2.jpg


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: adjiepangestu on October 06, 2019, 04:00:04 AM
Even though I don't know the project is a scam or not, I still have to say that the project's movement is like as scam exit. Many people are complaining about this project And I am also suffering too. For a few days the staking bonus was increasing 2 cents perday from 48 cents to 1.16$.  And Yesterday suddenly the rewards again fall to 1.10$.  Overall No such behaviour  can be expected from a good project at all. It's very shady behaviour by miracle tele project.

nothing more can be expected from this project and this project has lost the trust of the community, this project has been destroyed and is unlikely to develop anymore


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: fratelc on October 16, 2019, 10:22:06 AM
Even though I don't know the project is a scam or not, I still have to say that the project's movement is like as scam exit. Many people are complaining about this project And I am also suffering too. For a few days the staking bonus was increasing 2 cents perday from 48 cents to 1.16$.  And Yesterday suddenly the rewards again fall to 1.10$.  Overall No such behaviour  can be expected from a good project at all. It's very shady behaviour by miracle tele project.

nothing more can be expected from this project and this project has lost the trust of the community, this project has been destroyed and is unlikely to develop anymore

NO MONEY - CHECK THIS
http://shrani.si/f/D/v3/rqBlxnR/miraclenomoney.jpg


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: aggress0r on October 18, 2019, 09:31:16 AM
Would it be a surprise that I never received any ordered sim-card?  ;D
Earned funds are blocked and frozen, all my tokens including bounty are not eligible for staking.

Conclusion - all tokens sold, lesson learned.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: fratelc on October 23, 2019, 08:26:06 AM
Would it be a surprise that I never received any ordered sim-card?  ;D
Earned funds are blocked and frozen, all my tokens including bounty are not eligible for staking.

Conclusion - all tokens sold, lesson learned.

I have recieved the first SIM and activated it. 1 month ago I have ordered the second SIM, nothing happend.

You cannot order a number for sim, there is only a AFFILIATE URL for spikko :)
http://shrani.si/f/e/ZJ/41UFai6P/miraclephone.jpg


They OWN me 1365€ on hold and panding  ???


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: fratelc on October 24, 2019, 07:21:03 AM
Dear User,
Thank you for contacting Miracle Tele Customer Care.


Here is the news from our CEO;

The company has great prospects but is now in a difficult position.
The payout model was not built correctly.
At present, there are two ways for the company - either closing under a wave of discontent, or successful development with your support and paying off all arrears.
We will continue the development of telecom, add new functionality that will bring additional profit.
You can already use the application for calls and SMS, buy numbers within the application (more than 50 countries are available)
Transition to the application is available in your account. You register by the link and then install the application. The application has the ability to make calls without using the Internet.
I take responsibility for taking the company out of the crisis. I will assemble a new team of professionals primarily related to the ioT industry. Contracts with ioT manufacturers are millions of our stable subscribers in the future.
The company will accumulate funds, close debts and move on to enhanced development. Payments will again be continued no earlier than January February 2020, according to a new transparent model which I will introduce later. The withdrawal of invested funds will also be available to everyone without restrictions, but will be phased.
At the moment I am planning:
1. Buying numbers from operators for use in our service to activate SMS and calls. We already had work with our partner Spicco.
I know how to make this service the best on the market.
2. expand the geography of sales of our SIM cards from 163 to 210 countries (I have already held preliminary negotiations)
3. We will increase sales of our SIM cards, including in the African region, create a program for partners, I recently sent out free SIM cards to those who are interested in cooperation.
4. I will offer a separate solution for the ioT market, this is a very large market, I studied it in detail, attended many conferences in this area.
Our offer for ioT will be very good.
5. The company will continue to participate in major exhibitions and conferences around the world. Now it will be events for Telecom and ioT, ioT and blockchain professionals. The purpose of which will primarily be the conclusion of new contracts and the promotion of the product in new markets.
I apologize for the tough anti-crisis package of measures, but otherwise the company will not be able to rehabilitate.


***GENERAL INFO *** We are experiencing a high volume of requests and reserve 72h to handle your request by email. Please do not spam our email box with repeated issues and do not send private messages to our channel admins at the Telegram channel until you have gotten instructions to do so from the main channel.

Bear with us, one contact attempt is enough.

Best regards,
Atilla


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: aundroid on October 24, 2019, 01:19:58 PM
Looks like tokens are being offered for sale again on the website.  ;D ;D
I'd like to know where these tokens come from since all unsold tokens were burned after the Token Sale.

https://i.imgur.com/zmQu74R.jpg

Don't think that anybody is investing even one euro in the project at this point.
Let's see if the volume on the website decreases over the next few days.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: aggress0r on October 24, 2019, 02:11:14 PM
Looks like tokens are being offered for sale again on the website.  ;D ;D
I'd like to know where these tokens come from since all unsold tokens were burned after the Token Sale.

https://i.imgur.com/zmQu74R.jpg

Don't think that anybody is investing even one euro in the project at this point.
Let's see if the volume on the website decreases over the next few days.

It's a MIRACLE  ;D
IMHO What if they've bought all the tokens from Ether/fork deltas that people started to dump since the news gone bad :)
The price was really low and how about getting double profit at first selling for euro then buying low from the users that were disappointed of the project and now
selling them back together with "optimistic" news  ;D
Is it enough "Miracle" for this project?

All the written above IMHO.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: elisabetheva on October 25, 2019, 02:10:56 PM
Even though I don't know the project is a scam or not, I still have to say that the project's movement is like as scam exit. Many people are complaining about this project And I am also suffering too. For a few days the staking bonus was increasing 2 cents perday from 48 cents to 1.16$.  And Yesterday suddenly the rewards again fall to 1.10$.  Overall No such behaviour  can be expected from a good project at all. It's very shady behaviour by miracle tele project.
No one hopes that this project will become a scam, but we also cannot see the fact that this project has begun to not be able to complete its functions properly and according to the rules made by themselves. when the beginning of everything can go well, entering the end of August it has begun to look does not do its duty.
Proceeds from the stack are held with plans to be paid on September 15, 2019, but to date they have not been paid.
sim card purchases that we have paid for more than a month there is also no settlement.
and sadly there are many scattered in fake admin telegrams that offer help with having to deposit ethereum with a certain value, which adds to the complexity of this project because no one can answer the certainty of the continuation of this project, despite having sent an email because of the last process we can do.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: fratelc on November 26, 2019, 01:04:33 PM
The lastest news from the CEO here - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4330150.600


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Curexmy on January 11, 2020, 04:40:42 PM
MIRACLE TELE WEBSITE DOWN SCAM ALERT

From Starting of this World Wide Telecommunication Blockchain Based Project Various Times Their Website Go Down and visitors Can’t Access it.

Today From Almost We Have Investigated that starting of this year website become unaccessible for visitors.



Uninformed Behavior
Miracle Tele website is not reachable globally not only from specific region.

This is very weird and negative signal from this project and its showing that they are not responsible for their investors and visitor of website as well as miracle tele project early members also completely showing a weird and negative signals as a confirmation to stay away from this scammed project.

The team of this project has not been inform through email telegram or Facebook from any channel having alternative to their website.
https://curexmy.com/miracle-tele-website-down-scam-alert/ (https://curexmy.com/miracle-tele-website-down-scam-alert/)


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: jokers10 on January 12, 2020, 09:52:01 AM
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This is very weird and negative signal from this project and its showing that they are not responsible for their investors and visitor of website as well as miracle tele project early members also completely showing a weird and negative signals as a confirmation to stay away from this scammed project.
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Well, we all know that they stopped sending sim cards long ago, but stated that they've done. If someone lies and lies, I guess it is very expected that it will not say truth. So this project is scam and it is definitely known about half a year, and it is not weird at all, that we can see new proofs of it with the passage of time.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: chazame99 on January 13, 2020, 11:26:33 PM
The last days of December this roman.golod@miracletele.com began answering the emails again,

"Hello 👋🏻 transfer address € 10 ETH, BTC 1EVhuejd5AnVxzvyTngF9hwZHPqYqD5tnX (Please indicate the BTC address from which payment was made 0x3ffeD8d9509a5307b0d2218b82e602930aa34A79 (Please indicate the ETH address from which Year's made gift) And new year. track code is within 24 hours of payment. Please indicate the delivery address and zip code. thanks. Best regards, Roman Golod CEO Miracle Tele "

I did the test to see how rat it was, and as expected after sending the 10E, I never had a response from him or the technical support team. A few days ago I stopped working your site and also emails, which confirms the scam of these people.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: RicoinBTC on January 18, 2020, 03:43:07 PM
FYI for anyone who was stung. There is a Telegram group around building a lawsuit against Miracle Tele - https://t.me/miracleteledach. I can't vouch for what they're doing personally, but worth keeping an eye out.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Rodeo02 on January 19, 2020, 07:17:03 AM
The last days of December this roman.golod@miracletele.com began answering the emails again,

"Hello 👋🏻 transfer address € 10 ETH, BTC 1EVhuejd5AnVxzvyTngF9hwZHPqYqD5tnX (Please indicate the BTC address from which payment was made 0x3ffeD8d9509a5307b0d2218b82e602930aa34A79 (Please indicate the ETH address from which Year's made gift) And new year. track code is within 24 hours of payment. Please indicate the delivery address and zip code. thanks. Best regards, Roman Golod CEO Miracle Tele "

I did the test to see how rat it was, and as expected after sending the 10E, I never had a response from him or the technical support team. A few days ago I stopped working your site and also emails, which confirms the scam of these people.
They do it to not panic investors before they leave the project. Giving a monthly passive income is so fishy for me the day they make an ICO.  That project have enough fund to have more promotions thats why they have raised enough money.    even the referal program t have get more attention for investors.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: skrinnikov on April 27, 2020, 04:55:43 AM
It is unfortunate that the project turned out to be fraudulent.  :'( I had high hopes for him


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: culuuton on April 27, 2020, 06:25:47 AM
It is unfortunate that the project turned out to be fraudulent.  :'( I had high hopes for him
Nothing sad, the cryptocurrency world has seen too many scam projects, adding Miracle Tele isn't much. Many projects such as Ubiatarplay, Mobu, ... draw good prospects that entice people to hope but then the results are very disappointing.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: DannyMail on June 23, 2020, 09:28:35 AM
I Have also lost a lot of money investing in the Miracle Tele scam, I had not even made a withdrawal from my earnings because I was buying more Tele Tokens instead. It's the third time I have lost money to scams in the crypto space & I don't have a lot. Any donations would be greatly appreciated especially during these hard times. I hope we can finally see an end to scams.

I really need this money back but it will probably never happen, Just in case please find My eth address: 0xD22019A972f87A63b96DC7Ef021Cb88FCF49454E 


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: Lasky366 on June 26, 2020, 07:00:58 AM
Yeah totally scam Miracle tele.Many of my friend was invested there I was also on that list.Unfortunately we didn't get our portfolio back because they were ran away before getting that.I was complaint about my issue in their telegram they they kicked me out.Then next day I saw my account got banned from system. So guys it's just learning.  be careful about this types of investment even though many people thought that it was a good healthy project.


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: tonik20 on November 05, 2020, 09:09:52 PM
Hello,
to all who investing to Miracle Tele scam, please write to Czech police!

Everyone who doesn’t write an email until yet, can do this to the investigation team the Czech police:

Officer: Kpt. Ing. Petr Kubík
E-Mail: krpa.skpv.ohk.podatelna@pcr.cz
Case no: KRPA-25072/TČ-2020-000091-KU

E-Mail to:
krpa.skpv.ohk.podatelna@pcr.cz

Subject:
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Report for an EXIT SCAM made by Miracle Tele (Prague) case no KRPA-25072/TČ-2020-000091-KU

Please write and send all info with screenshots and all documents and evidence for this scam!
Write total sum of payed-invested BTC/ETH/EUR/USD!


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: GrosWesh on November 05, 2020, 09:28:29 PM
Hello,
to all who investing to Miracle Tele scam, please write to Czech police!

Excellent initiative, which I support.

 I didn't lose money with miracle tele but i actively participated (signature campaigns, bounty ...) and followed this whole affair from start to finish. No doubt is allowed: this is a real scam, very well organized.

To be honest :  I fear that, unfortunately and due to the lack of legislation currently in the area that concerns us, these crooks will not be punished as they deserve.

But your initiative is legitimate !!


Title: Re: Miracle Tele Is a Scam Stay Away
Post by: logfiles on November 05, 2020, 10:52:47 PM
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Someone even said over a year ago that they personally know the CEO. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5174888.msg52148759#msg52148759) Why don't the affected and scammed people team up, cooperate and get the scammer behind bars?