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Where is the money?
In this real the real money


Sick and tired seeing some rubbish tokens I invested into some, Nothing.



I Don't know how should I make money with Bitcoin?


I been doing trading but You need at least few thousend to make it worthed time And efforts.


I have done trading day trading and swing trading..
What is scam about this that sell price on exchanger are always lower then Buy price.
Its a pure scam Exchangers Got fees from US... Why They steal like this more?
So the Trading on Exchangers like binance ,polo is worthed Only for People who Got Good wealth all Ready!!





Thank You and I Hope at least someone Here Had a Good day!!

If you are doing day trading it won't give you high or maximum profit you are just wasting your daily fee if you trade daily.

I suggest trying weekly movement instead of daily movements because the movement for daily trade is little compared to weekly or monthly. Just always set your stop-limit and stop-loss in binance. You can manually set if what price you want to sell for your coin if you just directly sell your coins it won't give you a profit. That is why I suggesting you use the stop limit feature (https://www.binance.com/en/support/articles/115003372072) for weekly trading so that you don't miss some high price movement or stop-loss to sell coins before the price drop a lot.

I don't know about Poloniex I am not trading their anymore due to KYC.

Trading is not for every one.
In as much as you might have heard these words many times, they are true!
Exchanges are not running a charity business, it's all about the profit. Which contributes to why buying price is higher than selling price.
In trading sometimes you gain big, sometimes you lose big; more like gambling.
To get less frustrated, it's best you store your Bitcoin in a secure wallet and wait for the better days to come.

You don't actually need a few thousand to make thousands. Take the example of patient holders that has held bitcoin for years, it's also stressful mostly if you are checking the charts daily.

But the ease to this kind of strategy, you don't have to do anything. If you fail as a day trader, you need to take time and restudy your course. You can shift as a holder of bitcoin since you've failed with altcoins.

I think you have a too big expectation. How much profits do you want to make it meet with your hope?
Actually, people always expect more and more profits. But it must make sense with your capitals and the current condition on crypto market. You mustn't gain big profits or be rich suddenly by trading or investing. Everything needs a process and takes time to make it real. Moreover, our strategy sometimes cannot run effectively, it possibly gets losses. But this is a natural process and remember that not all coins can be successful to gain profits for us.

It is hard to understand what you are trying to say, but I guess all you are trying to say is that you are really frustrated/disappointed with bitcoin because you could not make any money with it?
Well first of all, looks like you have invested your money on some shitty ICO and lost a lot. ICO tokens and bitcoins aren't the same. Secondly, looks like you don't have any idea how the market works and thus you weren't able to make any profit using bitcoin. Well, trading comes with a risk and it isn't as simple as you think.
Did you buy bitcoin last year? If so, then you already made some decent profit!

Forget trading that is a lost of time and money, exchangers are like casinos, they got always one % in the end only traders lost.

You can earn money mining, when you enter in a exchanger and you buy bitcoin what you need to wait to make money?

BTC need to grow up! Its the same as you mine even if you dont have profit, you need to wait BTC value goes up to come to the green,

Mining you are supporting the network and you can keep your earnings safe in a offline wallet, not the money in the hands of exchanger that can be robbed, hacked etc.

Doing that you are protecting the bitcoin crashes by robbers like Mtgox, trading its just one illusion, exchangers are good just to buy bitcoin and withdraw immediately, nothing more, the best trading is to buy products with bitcoin, using it and promoting Metcalf Law:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metcalfe%27s_law

This is digital money. If you want it to be real, convert bitcoin into fiat to make it as you want it to be "real". It's not fake. We can actually purchased anything using cryptocurrency coins like bitcoin, eth, etc.

That's the problem with you. Whenever you have wrong decisions of investing in some altcoins, the whole thing touches the ground. It's you who wrongly choose the right coins to be invested.

What? You simply buy low and sell high. Or buy, hold, sell high. Maybe what are you trying to say is that you do not know when is the right time to make money with bitcoin. Everyone knows how to make money with it but they do not know the right timing.

You need efforts but you do not need thousands. You see, I have started to buy not the whole one bitcoin but just a part of it. And until now, I am gaining profits.


I do not want to be rude here but just because you lose some money in swing trading or scalping doesn't mean that the exhanges you have been doing the trade are scams. Haven't you reflect on your wrongdoings and see what was wrong with your trades? You can start all over again if you had determined your past trading mistakes. If you are worried with the fees, try looking for the lowest fees rate.

Yep. He can get the real money by selling his bitcoin to fiat and send it into his bank account. Gladly, now we can buy something using cryptocurrency, and in the future, maybe we will see the more online store and offline store using cryptocurrency too.

He needs to know the right coins to invest, so he doesn't feel sick and tired. Maybe he needs to learn how to analyze first, so then he can select the coins. But if he follows what people suggested, then it might be the wrong decision because he doesn't analyze by himself and just follow.

It is difficult to know when is the right time, but we have a clue here. If he can see the coin can increase high or so high, that will be the best time to sell so he can make money with bitcoin or with altcoin. That is the hard thing that we must face, but we can learn that by reading more about trading.

Yes, efforts take the biggest part for every people. There is no step two before we pass step one. Although you only have little money to start, it doesn't mean you cannot make a big profit. Every people have a chance to get the profit from trading, but do we have the effort to try? That is the question.

I think that is because we cannot trade with the right, and we always make a wrong buy, so that will make us get lost. We need to fix the trading style we use, and maybe we need to break for a while and learn something else about trading so when we come back to trade, we can analyze better than before. That will give us more chance to make money.

trading is a risky venture
overall, long term, it seems better to be hodl your btc versus trying to make a few satoshi's here and there
i let my trading bot do my actual trading, as i don't have time to trade manually non-stop, as i'm usually busy with school and 9-5 work.

Like a normal person. Bitcoin is a cryptocurrency, and how do you earn currencies? You either start a business, get a job, or do gigs. In your case, if you really want to trade, either you suck it all up and try harder or do something else instead. Trading ain't for everyone.

You don't need to start with a few thousands at all. I've known people who started with just a few hundred dollars.

Exchanges are a business. For them to make money, then need to set up fees. Exchanges aren't a charity.

Trading is not for everyone.

Another thing is that trading will not always give you a profit, it still has its risks. Risk of losing and as a trader and investor you should know that cryptocurrencies especially Bitcoin is so volatile. If you don't know what you are doing better find other things you can do for you to earn money.

the same way you make money with USD, JPY, CNY, ....

what did you expect? to become a millionaire by investing a small amount like $1?
it is the same in any other market. if you enter stock trading with a small amount you won't make enough to make it worth the time!

lol.
again you seem to have unrealistic expectations from the market! in this case the sell price can not be higher than buy price because it doesn't even make sense! the sell orders which indicate the price you sell at are others who are placing their order at that price. if they wanted to place a sell order higher than buy order price then they fill one of the buy orders and there would never be a sell order placed in first place.

trading is a hard thing, it is not just for bitcoin but generally trading in any market is hard. trading in these altcoin exchanges (trading altcoins) is even harder because altcoins are manipulated. it is not about "wealth" it is about having experience and then investing what you can afford to lose.

I empathize with your frustration OP. However incoherently it may have been expressed, I understand and hear you.. ;)...

Most people who heard about Bitcoin in 2017-18, heard about it because of the stories of insane returns and 10X ICOs and free tokens. The intelligent amongst us realized quite early that you have to flip to fiat or BTC as soon as the scammy ICOs turned a profit. This category of people made a lot of money.
Sadly, A lot of us (including me) were awed by the promise of "Blockchain Technology" and ended up "believing" in the vision of some of these "World-computers" and "Smart contracts for Decentralized Finance" :o and all that shit... :D :D..

I feel amused more than scammed that the idealist in me fell for these tech promises. Maybe I am amused because it wasn't really the idealist but the wannabe "investor" who secretly thought "Ahaaa..Here is the next "Apple/ Google" that I am "investing" in, (Smart Investor Me) that nobody else knows about. Now I just gotta wait till it explodes and I'll have my own story of 'trials and tribulations and being a visionary'.." ;D ;D
As shills and TG groups and Binance trading took over, we realized that it was not the technology but the bag-holding and bag-dumping at the right time that mattered most.. :o

Now most people have realized that it is going to be just BTC. Most of what these "revolutionary" ICOs/ Alts boast of doing can be and will be done on BTC or BTC Sidechains at some point of time. The Alts will mostly die out retaining value only as long as the respective "Teams" have cash to burn or cash to raise from their own echo-chamber communities. So any of you hopefuls out there still searching for these "pearls" in the barren landscape of Alts, Do yourself a favor and realize that it has been picked clean.

The cycle of big BTC holders buying Alts leading to a push in their value so that the smaller "investors" can flip a profit is gone.

The present cycle has "smart ICO scammers" making up fluffy stuff that the "small investors" will buy up. They can then keep the money while the same "small investors" shill it for them. The "Devs" will just wind up shop and you will be left thinking, "Ohh well, at least i tried".. ;D ;D
This is all bewildering because it is all Legendarily-Fucked up..(It is only you who thinks it is actually the short form for L-UCKED UP..)

So, the best advice for people like OP and myself would be from majgul above:


Do some work or suck it up is that "its about bag-holding AND bag-dumping at the right time." Or else, Just stick to the Big Daddy, BTC.

I gave up on day-trading Alt coins, because the only people making money is the exchanges that are leeching the fees generated from these frequent transactions.  ::)  I even tried a financial service that specialized in Alt coin trading and it turned out that these services are just doing the same thing, by added their fees on top of the exchange fees.  >:(  <Just eating away your investment capital>

I am now more focused on long-term hodling of Bitcoin and a small amount of Alt coins with future potential that might give some good profits over time.  8)  <Less stress & less fees>

And that's the reality of life. As what I have learned from a movie, "Dreams don't come for free. Nothing comes from nothing." Same goes here in this community. If you want to earn cryptos, then you have to work for it. Also, there are other means of earning such apart from trading. Maybe you can try others which you find your strength and eventually grow with it. Trading may not be for you right now, but if you really want to pursue it, then you'll exert more effort to be better at it. Just take note the saying above.

One of the main rules in crypto is to have patience,  or you don't look to have too much remaining patience. 😊

The easiest and less stressful way to earn some money in crypto is to buy a hardware wallet to be sure you won't remain without your funds overnight and hold your Btc for at least 2-3 years. Don't panic sell, don't verify the price too often and never invest in crypto more than you can afford to lose.

As a beginner on trading its a common thing to face this kinda situation. You should gather proper knowledge's about best trade able coins which are listed  on your desired exchange. Choose best coins which are stable enough to give you handsome profits from regular trading. Don't run after sudden price bump. On the other way you can pick some coins by researching their project carefully and invest your fund for long time.

For new traders long term investment is much better than day trading. At the very beginning honestly its slightly tough to make profits from day trading. After building necessary trading skills and experience day trading can be a good source for making profits but not in the very early days.

Were the same. I also gave up trading not because they are leeching the fees but because I felt that it is not for me. I always lose in trading and luckily I didn't invest too much on it.

I also focused on holding already Bitcoin and some altcoin. Long live the HOLDERS!!!!!

the money is on the screen . you can only see numbers but they arent fake because its a digital currency  . you dont need to force yourself to invest on other cryptos or tokens and no one has told you to invest on them  . if you want to earn in a safe way then you should only stick on bitcoin . on trading you dont also need to have a huge capital because small capital can do as long as you know what your doing  .  lastly , if you still hate bitcoin then why your here on a bitcoin forum ? asking this stuffs ? better if you can take a break for awhile to loosen your anger ,.

It will do you good to get all this thinking out of your mind and don't used your experience to judge the realities. I have made the most part of my current wealth from Bitcoin and investing and trading cryptocurrencies! It is not trading or bitcoin or your capital that makes you rich but your knowledge and applications of that knowledge in profitable ways that do make you rich and wealthy! I started here from the campaign as a jr. Member in 2017, and today I am a profitable trader. I have never put in fiat into cryptocurrencies I only invest what I make from this forum and today I have enough capital that I am using in trading in about five different exchang

As for me trading is not for you. Unfortunately, any operations on the exchange included the payment of a fee. If you don’t understand such basic things, you should do something else.

Its not that I Don't make profit Trading.... I make but it takes a lot time but the profit is so small maybe about 1-3% After 2-3 days.

That I Can't use that money for real, I Can't cash out I have to keep it in it Can Only grow by the time
But the profit is so small but the time and efforts i put in, a lot hours a lot Learning I been doing and Still I Don't make enough.

I guess you wanted to make quick money in short time with minimum efforts. If you want to make some real money, you need to careful analyse market, make some technical analysis (not only with BTC, any other cryptocurrencies too), read news, read some investment books, make your own predictions, use a lot of indicators and more.

You have to live in crypto market to make real profit.

Trading is a very systematic venture and in most time you will need to drive your own personal tools for trading and if you are involved in day trading with small capital then you always tend to spend your profits on exchange fees without making any thing out of it. I will advice you take some break off trading and limit you number of trading period to once a week or two.

Altcoins won't give you profits at least during this period of time where the market supports only Bitcoin.
You should better make better technical analysis and read charts thoroughly before making any decision.
If you do that you should probably  make some profits and your efforts would be rewarded, apparently.

The money is on the market, all you have to do is trade, and make a lot of money. If you cannot do day trading, then you can trade at any time you want, don't push yourself if you cannot do. Know your limit, hard work in learning to trade, practising of what you learn, don't give up and never stop even if you lose. Make sure you can manage your money to trade so you can use some money as back up trading if the market is down like today. Don't complain if you cannot make a profit now because I believe that you can make a profit soon, just keep trying.

All of us have the same problem as you in the beginning, but if you can try trading, I am sure that you will get time to make a profit. Good luck.

First of all, you should not invest what you cannot afford to lose, since any investment has some risks associated with it, that's just how it works. Secondly, Bitcoin is not really a coin for trading. Well, at least I never saw it as such. And from my experience, it's way easier and safer to make long-term investments (I myself made a couple of very successful ones back in the days) than go for trading (I tried but ended up losing my initial capital). Bitcoin is a long-term investment, and even though it is risky, it's been growing year by year, and always recovered from the bearish trends so far (okay, there hasn't been $20k price yet, but there has definitely been some improvement).

just make a small deposit if you cant make sure your analytics are good enough, or make a deep analyze to invest big

i think you hurts cause invest in altcoin and the price never up since your buy that altcoin and now you regret about that. Indeed i can not make you calm about it, but at least a little thing that I can say is "patient" and im sure so many people says patient too. Honestly when I first invested in cyptocurrency, I also experienced something like this. And I think to reduce your feelings of hurt, it helps you learn again all things related to cryptocurrency

I dont understand.if you hodl, its normal to cant make profit but for daily trade time to time there are many oppurtinities.but i guess you thought you were going to make big money everyday.if its true there is no such a world like this, sorry.

Are you sick and tired of bitcoin? how long have you been playing with bitcoin? a month? half year? or a year? I think you are still not old enough to make a big profit unless you have a lot money or good luck. Look at the bitcoin experts, they have been with bitcoin for years and surely they continue to learn and learn until now.

Well, there are indeed complaints but don't position yourself in that state, to be a successful person is not easy, you have to learn and familiarize yourself with this bitcoin market.

Even I myself who have more than three years known bitcoin and still can not be said to be rich, but at least I can still produce from what I learned. Trading cannot be learned overnight, if you want to become a pro trader then you must be able to recognize the market with naked eye.

I can tell that you never invested a dime in any coins in the market nor have you traded with your own money, the best you might have done is to earn some bounty and tried to trade those in some exchanges and you are complaining that buy price is always higher than the selling price  :D :D .
So in your dream world what is the right way, selling price always higher than buying price  :P, you cannot make wealth from thin air, either you must have the skill level to earn through good education from good institution or you must inherit money from your parents which is the easiest way  :P.


Shout out to cfbtcman (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=966574) for giving merit for his ignorance or you both are of the same wave length sitting in the same room  ;) :P.

You don't have to day trade, it's a meme. Just find a good project, buy in at a good price and sell at a good price. This could take weeks, months or years. Be patient.

I'd advice you learn not to do something because others are doing it. Trading doesn't work for everybody, just the way not everyone can business. Find out what you can do best with crypto, it might just be hodling. If you have dev skills, then there's even much more opportunities for you here.

Day trading isn’t a good way to make profit. At first you need to learn about trading and you need to learn about coin/ tokens.

If you think that random coin or tokens give you big profit that is a big mistake. Invest your time to learning , one day you will understand it’s worth.  :)  

Bro, I can exchange your BTC to my Mooncoin  :D :D :D
I've got plenty of them, unfortunately.  :(
Nothing gonna be better than Bitcoin for sure.

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Yesterday the price dropped to $ 9900, if you had bought, you could sell when the price break the resistance of $13600 and with that you would make a good profit. You are not being patient and you are not controlling your craving. I imagine you wanted to make profits every day, but it takes a lot of capital and knowledge to make 2% to 3% profits every day, and yet there will be days when all is not going well.

If you are tired of doing trade with bitcoins why not try to take a rest just keep holding your bitcoins in your wallet and wait until price spike much higher so that you can gain profit and not loses. Trading is good if you know how to trade and you have time,effort and patience because sometimes you can't make profit in just one day. If you know it better even a small starting trading capital will grow.

Just sell them already if you want to invest into Bitcoin there's no need to exchange it to someone since you got a lot of tokens. Although the price was in a total dip i just hope you didn't buy it during on its peak that would be a hard loss. But if you have more tokens in your portfolio you can simply diversify them to regain your losses if you see that rank 1000+ token will have a future then keep holding.

To OP, it is better to find a solution than to keep complaining and luckily BTT people were here to help your problem.

we know in the crypto world there is no instant way, of course, everything takes time. no coercion in this matter, you are free to invest, or not. if you get a loss because of that, it's been a risk from the start. therefore, knowledge is needed in this matter.

please note, that all requires hard work. we know that there have been many people who have succeeded in this, and so have failed. for the exchanger, I have never complained about that. many choices regarding exchangers and binance are one of the best.

try to find information about what you want right, and learn all the risks. giving up is not an option, friend.

You just impatience like many people do
If you want to instant profit, why not trying to gambling or participate in IEO program?
Investing in IEO is popular right now, many people are satisfied with the result after they successfully buy coin/token from IEO (if you choose the right IEO).
TRY IT

The trading market is ruthless and harsh. If you are not ready to spend good money on trading with possible fails, pay large fees and analyze the market, then trading is absolutely not suitable for you

It is very odd that the guy does not know the main things about cryptocurrency and exchanges and, as he writes, is already "sick and tired" of BTC. Suppose he has to deal with something more pleasant for him, or, what is better, get at least basic knowledge on the things he is going to start.
Bitcoin needs constant work and curiosity, monitoring the crypto market, and great patience.

You need to relax and understand the market properly, seek opinion of people with experience and make your own decision, at the beginning it will look a bit confusing and difficult but with time you will get use to the market, maybe do more practice in trading before going in with much capital, also make a research of some good alts invest in them and hodl for some time, patience is key.

I guess he is stress because of his losses before, and he thinks that it is very difficult to recover the losses from trading. He tries to choose the right but suddenly, everything change, and he cannot make any profit. We can start trading in any amount even for small money to start, but we need to have skills so we can choose the right coin to trade. Without skills, no matter how big our money, we will only get more losses so we cannot make a profit at all. So think twice before you want to use big money because the risk will be bigger too and in the end, if you don't have any skills, then it is very hard to make a profit.

You need thousands buddy to make a profit because bitcoin price these days is amounting 10 thousands and more so for us to have a good investment we atleast need to have 1 or more bitcoin
If you really trust the currency then that’s a good way of investing,never check the price daily and just let the coins seats on your wallet until the time market shows high profit and volume

Base on OP concern, he is in frustration losing every savings he has. Strong mentality is good but he need money. No matter how strong your mentality if the market stays stagnant from 2018 until now different from expectations, you will give up and possible take some rest or leave. I hope he will not lose all his money.

I make money not loosing but the money I make its so small but I put in a lot of Work and my time
That's Why im not Happy about it.

Agree, I think cryptocurrency investment is only for people who are patient and brave. because in Cryptocurrency investment, ICO and so on, You will find many projects or altcoin scams.
and I think trade is not only for people who have large capital. many professional traders start from zero, with little capital, great determination and want to keep learning by that thing anyone can be rich in crypto.

You invested in the wrong asset at the wrong time. I have seen similar threads posted by another user, who was bitching that the HST token in which he had invested became worthless. Same as your case. Before investing in any little-known token, you need to study the project really carefully. I don't think you have done that. Had you invested in Bitcoin at that time, then you could have got 200% to 300% returns in 3-4 months.

Study the Project???
All the prpjects have Nice whitepapers and so...  Nobody dont tell you bad things about their projects!! 

Bitcoin's paper say nothing of making you rich, you got that entirely wrong.

BUT....

If you stick to: Buy bitcoin, keep it safe, check back 3 years later, you will probably find you had more money than before.

If you mess with trading, you are going higher risk, so its your fault in the first place.

You have 10 years if historic prices. Pick a year, and buy bitcoin, wait 3 years, see if you earn or lost. Oh, and if you "lost", just don't sell and wait some more. You think bitcoin will never overcome that 19k historic price? It will, but it can be months or years away, but it will, for sure. Because, all fiat coins lose value by policy of their controlling institutions, while Bitcoin has all parameters and conditions in code. Bitcoin is a program running, and the program cannot be easily changed on a whim, like financial/gov institutions can change their monetary policy overnight suddenly making everyone poor in order to fit their ill-planned budget, or to accommodate someone's in power I'll gotten money...

I know it well, for us its no theory unlike most of the people in this forum. Its a whole world of difference when you live in THE hyperinflated economy...

Don't beat yourself dead. Nothing good comes easy. It's also quite instructive you note that small investment can't make the same profit as huge investment. Again, being profitable in trading goes beyond the capital. It has to do with having the required skills to indulge the business of trading. It will do the OP a lot of good if he learns trading skill as this will help mitigate his losses.

Don't be too desperate to make huge profit from your trading as that spirit may lead you to make wrong trading trading decision. It is not necessary for you to hold large sum of money before you make profit guy.

You need more careful, do your own research before invest to any token. Don't believe too much with ico review such as icobench, icorating or others, maybe they have opinion from expert but it's not a warranty. Just learn, research and increase your standart qualilty.


Have you try nexo or crypto? I use nexo and it's enough for me to generate income. But you need more BTC if you want to have high income. I'm not suggest you to use HYIP/Pyramid out there, that is scam

Daily trading or swing trading between crypto and forex is bit diffrent. If you day trade/swing trade in forex will become get more money, but it's not work in trade crypto. If you use swing trade daily trade/swing trade in crypto, it's not worth.

Looks like anti-btc marketing campaign

If I Invest 200-300 $ in to nexo u Think how much profit I Can make?

Don't get weary of bitcoin and the exchanges. Trading can be fun and profitable when it is done probably. Sometimes, margin trading is the best way to go. For instance in the past 24 hrs, the price of bitcoin has really been unstable hence any trader who participated in margin trading is more likely to make profit than one who engaged in day trading.

This is it your expectation is high that as you thought you can earn fast and big in trading. You have to make delligence when it comes to a coin on what to invest that can give return of profit. Do not be upset trading has a risks and you have to be patience.

We cannot expect to earn fast and big in trading because we know that the market cannot moves to a higher price in a short time. Besides that, we are now still on the bear market, and we don't know when this is over so we can back to make a big profit again. It needs the patience to wait for the market to turn around into a better, and that will not happen in shortly.

You say that you do not know how to get money with Bitcoin, we can get money with Bitcoin not only by trading, but if you have a computer that has high spec then you can also do mining Bitcoin, indeed trading and mining need a big capital but you can also get money with Bitcoin by a free way, by faucet or join the campaign in this forum.

You shouldn't be so upset And shouldn't expect to make huge profit within a days. Try to learn first how be patient during trading. No need to do day trading, should try weekly or monthly. There are some newbie traders & Holder, who don't have any proper idea & patient. They just aim too high & they just get upset soon because of some simple reason. If you really want to earn bitcoin then Try to get rid of it, be patient & trade cleverly

Not really. From my last 3 years of experience, these are some of the hints that I have noticed while studying the scam projects:

1. Most of the whitepapers will be plagiarized from other projects and you can see different style of writing in different sections of the white-paper (due to the promoters plagiarizing content from different sources).

2. The identity of the promoters won't be revealed during the ICO and in some cases the given identities will be fake.

3. If you check the website, you can see evidence of plagiarism there as well. There will be very little original content.

4. They won't be having any listing plans with the major exchanges. At the most, they may hire 1-2 minor exchanges which are willing to list the tokens in exchange for a small fee.

5. The bounty managers will be mostly inexperienced guys from third world nations.

Why not just use Bitcoin as a normal user? Find out about how to use it better, use it differently,,, and just enjoy the discussions with community members (not just about price)?

Or if trading still,,, I know some guys who even post a lot of research but they do not trade themselves. So it is possible to enjoy.

Get expectations to not just be about profit and you will be fine!

Yes, you are right, it is really not easy. You need to be patient and gain experience.

I dont have Other skills i Only earn with Cryptocurrency!!

And this is your problem. Since you've said that you have trouble earning anything with crypto, we can safely assume that you aren't skilled at this either. So, you don't know how to do anything that will make you money and trying to blame crypto for that? You aren't getting anywhere with such attitude.
Don't get angry at this but the problem lies with you, not the things that you're choosing to do. Most people spend some time to learn a skill before they put their money on the line.

Absolutely correct point of view. I fully support you in this. They climb into the crypto without experience, and then complain.

I dont know what else do you want.its back from 3k to 14k.back to 9k.you could make amazing profit by long and short.and if you wait it will give you many good opportunities.

Apparently you were failed to get profit from almost every side to earning bitcoin and i do understand what you're feeling but lately invest on ICO which gave you the tokens is not profitable anymore and people already leaving it and switch to other investment tools but lost is lost nothing you can do unless regretting your decission and apparently too crypto world is not suitable for you because read at your story during involved in crypto world you were never been luck

I think he hates the volatile nature of bitcoin because his asset drops once he bought it and he is also sick of the scamming that occur on the crypto scene (,including those scam coins /ico project )   .  maybe he is just unlucky because the price plays with him but he can still recover what he loose if he will only wait and he can turn those looses in a profit later on   .  he can just stick on bitcoins and develop a working strategy by there  , he can just avoid those other tokens for a while .

Many do not like to wait, they want everything at once. And the key to good trading is patience.

I make profits but likely few hundred per Week.
Its not enough, the risk is high and work I put out is a lot

Unfortunately, we all need a lot of patience and the ability to take reasonable risks.

If you are not getting it right by day trading then why don't you consider buying and hodl for sometime, btc unlike other alts has ability to grow more quickly and can give you profit at a shorter time, all you need is patience, if you are not in a rush to make quick money you can earn good profit if you hodl btc even without trading.

Hey ,
Unfortunately you should understand that Bitcoin is not only for people who are rich and who does have money always.
It is really something anyone can actually do anytime.
You should understand that it depends upon you , I generally play safe when it comes to these things .. When you aggressively follow the market then it is bound to shatter you into a loss
Be safe and Its you , not the Bitcoin.

This is just the problem for most beginners. They need everything at once.

Recently, investments in ICOs have not brought, “quick” money. I don’t know where you invested, but maybe your coins will still cost something.There is also a cool prospect to invest in IEO (preferably on the top exchanges).If trading is not for You,then You also have (as naive as it sounds)a unique opportunity to earn bitcoin through participation in bounty programs.Don't despair and keep doing something useful! And the payment will not be long in coming.

This is the risk of any investment, not just with bitcoin. all investments will be able to experience it. indeed crypto in the past few months is indeed producing a lot of scams, it needs patience for that.


With the experience of failure is something that really motivates us to work harder and analyze it well so that no losses occur again but begin to receive profits.
do not be lazy and ashamed to ask questions and study at any time.



Wherever there are jobs and investments there are people who are not good and cheating to seek personal gain by not good alias cheat.
once again learning and asking questions is an important role not to happen to you.

I Will start with IEO.
THEY HAVE BIG%%% ROI

Set your target profit, I'm not hypocritical to say that IEO is the best investment at this time especially an IEO who launch by binance exchange and OKEx exchange. I've been twice to taken part on the both exchange and so far I've got a profit from them yeah I can say 5x for ROI. And currently I tried to take part an IEO in Kucoin exchange and I've been getting 3x ROI, it is not bad, is it?

But for every investment in IEO I have made I always set my target profit and try to find some updates of the project itself. If there is some good news who will come then I'll stay to keep the token but it is not any good news I'll sell it and look for the another project. Yeah, I've been thinking that IEO is more like ICO, I mean the price token will have a high price when first released on exchange or traded on exchange.

Yes not bad but what was time period from time to buying it to get like 3x ROI  ?

It actually depends on your style and of course on your token.
Some tokens or crypto are good for a day trade specially if you could predict it right .
There are some crypto that are active for day trades and there are some who are good for a long term because their price movement is slow so it actually depends on our style.

Yeah me too l feel sick of waiting for the price of bitcoin to pump with a high volatility but l still patiently wait because l beleive bitcoin will give hope to bitcoiners to reach our goal in the future to become rich. This is my only hope to meet my dreams come true. I feel it in the near future.

Exchanges must put fees because they need to pay support workers from it, pay for servers etc.
Day trading is most compeling to most but in same time hardest job out there. Most stressful and very risky because of fees you have 40% chance to win and 60% to loose. Its not 50/50 to predict the price. You need to be REALLY good to overcome that.

Think about it.

Not everyone has an incident like you. They are still many who persist in the Bitcoin community. Because they know that Bitcoin still has great potential.

Everyone is natural when fed up and bored with Bitcoin because they are not lucky. For people who are familiar with crypto trading, they certainly understand that crypto conditions are changing easily.

So crypto conditions are not always in good condition and will also decline. It's just that we should be able to take advantage of existing opportunities and not give up.

Check the OP. He didn't incurred losses after investing in Bitcoin. He invested in some shit tokens and in the end lost his investment. But I don't know why he has titled this thread as "Im sick and tired of this Bitcoin", as BTC has nothing to do with whatever happened to him. Had he invested in Bitcoin instead, then he could have ended up with at least 200% profit.

Now he is planning to invest in IEOs claiming that they have very high ROI. It is sad to see that some people never learn from their mistakes. I am someone who lost quite a large amount of money after making investment with worthless cryptos. But I learnt my lesson from that incident and after that I never invested in any shitcoins.

There are many ways to make money with bitcoin. Trading is one the ways that you should risk first before you earn money. Well, risking is part of life. If you do not want to risk, then, I think you should find a job because investing also have risk. Saving money on you btc wallet also have risk because any monent in time the btc price will fluctuate and that also comes with you saved money.

Man, you need to consider it a long term journey, you cannot just come here and expect quick return, this is a high risk activity, so you should know that you could also loss any time. Bitcoin is a good investment, but it does not have a stable increase or uptrend movement only.

What you need to practice is to be patient, with that, life would be easier as you will be calm all the time.
That's most investors and traders are doing why they survive this long.

I think we all have those experience because we see the market cannot increase too high for a long time. But fortunately, bitcoin price can increase to $10k until now so we can go back to make a profit although not much. I am sure that everything will change and the market will be back to the normal price or even break the higher price. So if that is happening, we will see the cryptocurrency market will change too, and that will attract more people to come and join in the cryptocurrency.

I think he has practiced it, only the drawback is impatience, and don't want to risk it. from various things that I have encountered from trading users, there are so many people who complain like that. Well, I don't think he's ready for the risk.

keep learning, and be patient is the way out of this. many people also give up when they get risks that make their capital or assets reduced. on the other hand, you need to be patient to make a profit from this, and keep one thing in mind, that this is not a shortcut to getting rich, but this is a way that is worth enough to make a profit when you understand the pattern.

You must learn it first before trading, no one is fed up with bitcoin. there are many ways to get bitcoin and it's easy to multiply by trading if you really understand. learn first so you can trade properly and don't despair. all will not run easily to achieve profits there must be a learning process that must be passed.
I spent a lot of money at the beginning of my trading and now I reap a lot of profits because I already understand and many experiences in trading both with bitcoin or altcoin.

Trading in general is never easy and most retail people never make any money. They were figures published where like less than 5% of all traders actually make a profit. And probably less than 1% actually are good enough to do it for a living. Crypto and Bitcoin is no different.

Trading is zero-sum. Meaning for you to make money, someone else has to lose money. And the general interest is for many newer traders to trade with fear and greed and get liquidated. This is why experience is so important in trading and why the whales usually take the money from the small fish which are the new retail traders.

Hey OP,
Everything you said here does not have much meaning to me because I am trying to link being tired of bitcoin, and also exchanger being for rich people and o dint get which point you are coming from, because for bitcoin, you are meant to use it as utility token, and if you choose to stay with the investment feature of it, then you should be ready to deal with all the risk that is involved in it which you will find virtually in other forms of investment also.

So if you are trading with it, understand the volatility and learn to develop strategies that will help you to manage it and the risk involve, and for exchanger, these big exchangers are for everyone and not limited to the rich men alone. If you are trading on them, then your own strategy is what will speak for you, so if you are failing in your trade, blame it on your weakness.

Sometimes the price of crypto can make a lot of people lose their assets, it's because there are a group of investors who deliberately raise the price of high Bitcoin. But in the end the investor will leave and the price will plummet. Leaving problems for investors who adhere to the HODL system, it stands for "survive for an honorable life" or those who hold Bitcoin for a long time. But I think, (Bitcoin) can still survive here in 100 years.

This is one of the reasons why he needs to understand that there is nothing that comes easy, so he needs to just be patience because even the mining, you know that it is very capital intensive as you said and one still have to also be patience with it , so absolutely everything requires patience.

Prior to 2017, so many people were also frustrated about their investment in bitcoin and some even lost hope in it, but the ones that stood by the market because they saw the future were the ones that benefited more during the bull run. We should have learnt from that already and because of that experience become patience for our bitcoin investment to become profitable no matter how long it may take, it is really going to be much more worth it.

We should be aware indeed of the volatility in the market. And never invest in shitcoins it will really resulted of losing money. Before investing the important is make a research on what coins are profitable to trade. People become tired in the market because lack of delligince on what to invest that is worth it of our money.

Some people are too greedy, to be satisfied with 3x or even 10x returns. And since they know what Bitcoin has already achieved a large market cap, they will turn their attention to the smaller coins and tokens hoping that some of them will turn out to be the "new Bitcoin" in the future. The noobs want to become billionaires overnite and they don't understand that such miracles don't happen very often.

A lot of people are investing in Bitcoin after reading the story about how Bitcoin went from $0.001 per coin in 2010 to $20,000 per coin in 2017. But they never read the story about thousands of altcoins, which are worthless now. Those who invested in them lost their capital. But no one even thinks about such a possibility. They believe that all the shitcoins are going to end up like BTC.

Yes, right. exchanging using small capital will only produce a small profit, try to be more daring to use larger funds so that the exchange benefits can generate multiple profits, and improve trading skills to improve the results.
and don't give up bitcoin will still give benefit if we continue to believe.

It goes without saying, and I apologize if I repeat anyone, but:

In addition to patience, never invest more than you can lose!

I hope the advice given in this thread can help you find a better approach with Bitcoin.

Did you bought the Token from ICO events?

Look like the answer yes, you bought token from ICO.

Don't expect to much from ICO's nowdays IEO's trend but that same like ICO's many of them like you said rubbish and don't have potential project.

Better for you to do trading but don't daily you will going stressed see tha cart everyday just do weekly or monthly basis but for me this is just applicable to BTC ETH or Coin that list in 1-50 CMC not to new token, your asset will decresed and get zero if apply it to new token.

This is the bad side of crypto currency, if you begun here with lack of knowledge it is surely your capital would be at 50/50 risk.
Patience, I guess is the most useful things here as a trader whether newbie or old member here in the forum. And for investment of ico, we really should be careful in choosing the legit one so that we may not become a victim of the scammers.

We are not talking about ICO investment but we are focusing into Bitcoin instead.
Those people who've been sicked and tired of Bitcoin are those people that never have trust with these. We're not pushing them to believe nor to drag them out only we enlighten their understanding and open up their minds. We are in great ideals, bitcoin did well. The sad thing is that, not for everyone.

Maybe OP, got baited from the hype and get into it in its all time high.
Every investment requires risk. If you are not ready to face it then you should give up from any investment strategy.

I think most people don't take into account the risk factor involve in engaging in any kind of investment, expecting to earn profit out of your investment within the shortest time is not easy, patient is required to achieve a better result, otherwise it will look like a time and resource wasted.

Buying at peak is a wrong decision, but if that will make us give up, I think that is wrong, because Bitcoin is not an ordinary coin, it's a special one and in fact it dictated the market with its dominance. If one will give up on BTC, how much more those people who bought altcoins that are holding a coins that hasn't recovered yet, and the coins are almost worthless as they are only holding 10 to 20% of the original buy price.

Even if that seems to be true @op buy during peak period, there is still chances he will recover his money back, just a matter of time and patience but from the look of things @op don't seem to have such patient, it is always advisable to do due diligent before investing, you can't blame the market for your decisions.

A lot of people have made money through this Bitcoin investment while others too have lost money. Its all about strategy and to know when exactly to enter the market as well as leave in order to make some profit.

I believe that the only reason you did not make money through trading is because you do not totally understand what it's all about. You see,  you need to know all there is to know before you can trade successfully and make profit.  
If you are not ready to the above, then I'll suggest to you to simply buy off some bitcoins and save for some years. That way,  you'd only have to wait to make profit.

Yes. If you think trading does not suit for you because you just keep on losing, maybe you can find some other way to make profit. Long term holding is very profitable and is stress free compared to day trading. All you have to do is just relax while waiting for a good price to come. And never monitor the price always because it will only make you depressed if you see a negative price happening at the moment.

This is a repeated advice from most of the investors and traders that has been in this community for a long and not so long time until now.

Several advices were given to him and the experience that he had would teach him a lot from that mistake that he did. He has to reinvent his investing style and stop following those crappy tokens.

Most of these successful traders also experience a losing moments in trading, but they didn't give up, they work hard on improving their strategy until they find success in investing. Most newbies makes mistakes but I appreciate those newbies who accept their mistakes and don't blame anyone because they are the people who have potential to have success in crypto, it's also about our mindset, if we easily give up, this is not a place for us.

The longer we trade it's expected that we mature because we learn a lot of things, and since crypto is quite a different industry compared to stock market, we need time to learn and understand the nature of crypto and that's the time where we can make good judgement.

The OP is definitely blaming bitcoin for is losses and it make sad because he actually does day trading when he doesn't even have the require experience in crypto investment.


The part of doing real trade with one's fund when a trader is yet to be mature as crypto trading is concern is not a good advise buddy cause their a lot of youtube videos, articles which the OP can actually learn from rather than throw his money into ocean.

Complain here, complain there; blame here, blame there. Your fortune depends in your hands mate. If you lose and failed then most part of it is your fault. Best example? You said it already, you probably get hyped and suddenly invested on those tokens without even researching first because if you really do then you won't end up holding shitcoins.

Have you already faced in front of the mirror and ask yourself what you did wrong? Try having an introspection instead of getting mad all day long. When you don't suit here in crypto world it doesn't mean all of it is a scam, you should be the one who adjust not the market. Correct your mistakes and be more competitive if you enter the market once again but if you no longer have any plans at all then much better if you will stop creating FUDs like this. Good luck :).

Don't tell me this!
Im not newbie

Im not waiting pump or dump.
Im waiting just money!! 


"If the money aint involved Don't waste my time "

Well buddy, you need to get out of here. Bitcoin trading isn’t for everyone, you know? Only for risk takers with a matured mindset and strong emotion in case something bad happens in the market.

On the bright side of the free fall, there were buyers waiting for the dip to fill up their buy orders to accumulate more Bitcoin in their possession.

You really can’t control the market (unless you are a bear or bull whale) as the condition depends on what is going on in the world of cryptocurrency.

One source I have read is that those who have bought at a high price when Bitcoin is around $13k to $19k may have cashed out due to certain reasons.

There are many factors behind the bear and bull run, and you’ve got to be prepared for it emotionally.

If you're not an experienced trader the best and safest option to increase the value of your invested money is to buy Btc and hold them at least until the next year's halving, when the price is supposed to raise.

Trading your Btc with alts will most probably diminish your Btc.

A lot of people on this forum got it in their mind that the only way they can strike it rich is with crypto.  There are so many business opportunities out there that have nothing to do with bitcoin, don't be focused with blinders on.

This is happing with you because you are not thinking for an investor's perspective, you are thinking like an amateur trader, who put all his blams on the other thing that is not working for you. Crypto is a new industry it's not like a forex or stock market where you can do trading on a daily basis. Crypto is a kind of heaven for the investor. In crypto you have no need to trading, you have to buy bitcoin and then forget about it, it long-term jackpot.

Every step need a strong heart to keep going , you never understand the market and if you buy high and sell low then you need some understanding abt holding which I believe will pay off in future but many are only concern abt quick return which is not possible in this short time .

So select best of token and coin and not just anyhow token which will be a good project or has seen to be one now and hold yr position till bull return .

Trading on cryptocurrency took me time and resource to understand, which i learn from my past mistake, hence daily trading on bitcoin and other alt-coin is not really and quick profitable, is better you place your limit for a week or months, which is always occur base on the market movement.

That's why I've said that he should stop following crap altcoins which includes the one that you have mentioned. Mistakes do comes normally and it's teaching a lesson but if you have been committing the same mistakes, you have something to realize.

It is one reason why many beginners get rekt by thinking that they can make it easily without further study. But to those that are courageous and wants to continue, they all have coming up with a plan.

"sell price on exchanger are always lower then Buy price" OMG are you serious? I can't even...
Don't give up. You just need tos try a little harder and o much more research. If this was easy everyone would be doing it. There have to be winners and losers. The losers are the ones that give the winners money. This is how it works. Just like life.

It has to say that investment is just like chasing into the opportunity and take advantage of it.
Well, I'm sick but not tired of waiting to see Bitcoin soaring back again. Even it takes another year or two, it won't lose my hopes and my fate towards crypto.
The moment will come for sure and being a valuable coin in the market, it had something to put our trust.

You may not need few thousand to start making good interest from trading. The most important thing is that you need to be very patient and learn how to trade because if you fail to realized this two important thing, even if you have hundreds of thousand dollars, you can still lose it to trading. Apart from this, i have seen some people investing in token that are just listed in exchange and have good prospect. I personally invested in a coin called MB8. I bought around 50000 MB8 coin at 0.00000200 BTC and sold them when the price hit 0.00000700 BTC. So there are still good token but you need to do your research in order not to fall into wrong hand

Everytime When Thether or USDC Minting their Currency I made Good profit.


The Problem is the Times When the THETHER AND USDC.  Don't Mint coins to Thought to Exchangers and pushing Up Bitcoin price and other cryptocurrency prices wich is paired with USDC or Thether.



The most profit I made was   18%  in 24 hours with Bchsv.



And 40% with XRP.



So guys no need to talk with me like and newbie, since money talks and i have made some serious Money with cryptocurrency so im addicted now in some how.

i think the right word is not bitcoin its rather "im sick and tired of trading"
i would suggest that if you are not the type who can keep up with the market movement
then do long-term trades just pick btc and certain altcoins to hold.
Trading is not for everybody its not a bad word from me to you, its just the reality.

I assumed you are not that patient guy, who waits for the perfect moment to trade or you're just bad in Trading, this sums everything with what you have said, because if you are a good trader, you are not going to rant here about the rubbish tokens you bought, instead you are just going to focus on the mistake you have made and earn back the profit you have lost by Trading again and again.

Sometimes what we are looking for can't just pop up in front of us and we'll just grab it and viola, we have money, no. In order to achieve something we want, we must have goal, and that goal will help us to achieve our dreams, so if you failed in Trading, then try again and again, don't stop finding the right door for your success.

I bet if you are at the end of 2017 and early 2018 then you will say "Bitcoin is my hero, all ICOs are very profitable, Ethereum is very profitable, why am I too late to know crypto and blah.. blah.. blah.."... do not expect to get rich quickly in cryptocurrency without any sacrifice, and be patient is a form of sacrifice, be patient because someday surely Bitcoin will be great again.

All I can say is move on and live a life

If you think crypto isn’t profitable for you!?then you are free to go mate because this is not for all people (not unless you are willing to just hold and keep waiting)but the way you act I think you can’t even wait for even a week or so

Trading is high risk and there’s more losses than gains in this area so you should have learn first the field before you put money .

Anyway it’s too late for blaming ,but let this serve as lesson

This the reason why many people actually don’t progress in life and they just get stocked because they keep complaining till they even complained to social media and all the time they used in complaining on social media is a time that they would have used to actually analyze their mistake, see where the errors came from and how they can amend it by learning more.

We have lots of newbies in trading and investment that they don’t take their time to actually study the market and then know how to work within it before deepening their hands into it. If he is to ask many traders, one of their secret to success is that they were able to learn from their mistake and then amend it through loss of learning and as they say, experience is meant to be the best teacher.

Thinking positive in most cases will allow you to reconsider those wrong position that you have, there's no sense of blaming yourself as you are inside volatile market, what you can do is to find a way to try recovering back those loses, instead of complaining or regretting you should try harder and have the right compositions of emotions and attitude towards to your successful journey inside this industry.

They say trading is not for everyone but i really believe that it can be learned if you are just willing enough. If you are not making profits from day trading, you can try the other way around. Trade for long term investment and you will make bigger profits here compared to day trading. You will not monitor the price chart often and let yourself relax while waiting for the price to reach its peak again so you can sell your coins and make good profits. Just keep on trading  because experience will really teach you how to be a good one.

I have also traded, and of course, I also have the same thoughts. it's just that, I think that some people who benefit have the ability to guess when prices will rise. In fact, I have also benefited in trading, it's just that, I always wait for higher prices, and leave certain profits that I consider small. besides that, I also always speculate without information, so that makes me disappointed.

Well, trading is not for everyone, especially for those who are not very patient. when you are not good at trading, just leave. You don't need to convince people who trade, because I think they have felt how you feel, or even worse.

The best is stop with worthless tokens.Most of them will die by my opinion
Bitcoin trading is very hard now.If you trade daily then you really need to have very good trading knowledge.But bitcoin is in last weeks of consolidation
Maybe stop to hunt price Look daily weekly chart.Buy bitcoin at some low and simply keep
Bitcoin halving will change everything.Whatever amount of money you have now you will make like 5x more at halving time

That is the right answer for anyone that is actually not patient because even if they complain to people about their tiredness, there is nothing much people can do, they will not because of that pump money into the market for the investor to be able to get more profit.

This system follows due cause and at the right time, it would increase, some people are just pouring their frustration on bitcoin because it fails to give them the financial freedom as at the time they needed it, and if you look at it, bitcoin has different opportunities for people to use and make money, so it is not ties to long term investment alone and I fee that anyone that is no longer comfortable with bitcoin can just probably go into something like trading or other things that can give them instant money.

5x after halving is somehow hard to believe on.I do at least see that it would break out the ATH but we wont reach up more than x3 but who knows? since this market is always been unpredictable and concluding things isn't really that precise.

Op got tired and sick on how this market works but this do moves on this way and theres nothing we can do anything on it but to deal if we are really serious on making money.
Be patient and wait up for the opportunity.

Patience is the key. You can't have what you want that easy. It depends on the effort you exert and the risk you are willing to take. I am new to this and I wanted to try this because of my friend who gained profit from bitcoin. I was  amazed by the money he gets from bitcoin and what he said to me when I told him that I also want to join is that bitcoin isn't for people who doesn't have patience. Rants will not help you. If you really want to have something you should now that there is always a risk attached. There's no such thing as  risk-free in the world of investing.

He'll be pretty excited for sure...
Well, I'll do the same especially when we have a pending selling and buying orders just to check if it is done already and to make another transactions. But thinking of being tired, it absolutely just because we are in trouble and we want to move out from the hell of being a loser. It is commonly happen to who'd never know how crypto works.

Not everyone can get profit through trading, I used to have tried Forex Trading, but when I tried Crypto Trading, I often lost. although the basic techniques are the same, namely: buying at low prices and selling at high prices, however, have different analytical techniques

Absolutely right mate,checking the price and the value of our folios from time to Time is really stressing,that’s why there’s a thing that HODL so we can have option of investing with less stress not like daytrading.but the problem is if you cannot prevent yourself from checking the prices then that’s another problem

Take the risk if you want to get a lot of profits. In doing investment it's hard because you don't have any ideas if it is will work good or not, but the point is you need to choose wisely in every investment you do so you will not regret later because Bitcoin is unpredictable you must keep fighting until you reach success for it.

Day trading is very risky buy coins low but somitimes you need to anticipate the coin did you buy possible to drops again 2x or more than if this scenario happen do not sell your coin wait for atleast a week or month to pump up.again theit because is part in trading experience the trap situation, patience and be calm that is not actually a scam.

there are many ways to make bitcoin, one of which is to claim in the faucet, but I think it takes a very long time, and some people start trading with bitcoin and investing with bitcoin ... maybe it's a good way to make bitcoin easily

Not all of the time, it's good or green in the market, I hope you're aware of that status.

It's hard to trade especially when Bitcoin is not stable. If you're trying to make it as your job, it will be more difficult for you to make income.

Honestly speaking, Bitcoin is really a good thing for us and will make us more profit but we need higher knowledge to make a good use of it. Risking is already part of our life and every situation we're facing, if you wanted to earn a profit, you must risk.

Just relax a bit and stop trading for a while. Then start again, but I recommend you to learn more about the market before this.

This is what I am feeling before. Before you have a bitcoin, you have to be hard working and you need to study about it because it is really hard to gain bitcoin. the easiest way to gain it is to know how to trade your crypto.

I give up and never tired with bitcoin situation, when I lost my money I will recover with new way how to get my money back and earn profit with keep re invest when price down.

The patient dog they say eat the fastest bone , so this industry is not a quick return of profit but some get away with it in no time of 2017 and now is to gain more momentum for the next push and that alone should be a kind of resilience which has a power in the long run for people who really don't all.

I think one of the other reason for your failure and frustration is because of you are acting very emotional rather than you should try to be more rational. It is extremely significant in trading especially if you are trading daily. In crypto market there are many pumps and dumps are happening and if you respond those activities with your emotions naturally you will end up with loss. So many speculations are happening in the market like shilling etc. and you also need a bit of knowledge about psychology because many retail investor are experiencing losses because of FUD, FOMO etc and acting greedy. I believe, in trading behavioural finance plays very vital role because its important to understand the concepts like over confidence, hindsight, optimism, over reaction to chance events etc.
From these aspects, In my personal opinion things like automated trading system, optimising your strategies via artificial intelligence have a great advantage in order to minimise these threads. Because it allows you to trade more rationally.

yeah actually Bitcoin bear market situation some time give pain. because bitcoin earn so much popularity in the world, all bitcoin holder love and faith that bitcoin is future can take topper serial number position in the world. but bear market falling down continue. then so much tension felling all bitcoin holder and trader. i think daily trading need for trader just earn for some profit. long time hold trade just for earn big profit in future. then they can adjust their capital.

I think trading is very vital issue for every traders. Those who can cleverly done it he is gainer. First i will say crypto trading is different from another as usual trading so that you must have to study more and more before trade here. On the other hand now market is down-warth so you have to make invest very very carefully and the coin in which you are investing, have to know its future planning and roadmap as well as. So if you give your step carefully you can win here.

Thanks.

When you feel yourself sick and tired of bitcoin then understand you already started winning because you know in how many ways you start and that will end in loss, so keep analyzing the trading activity dealing with price comparison, trend analysis that homework will reap you into success steps.
It is not some won win huge profits or they are rich and started doing all this, they crossed the same path you are in to understand the logic.

Exactly mate because rushers here mostly turns as losers

The most used but functional advices from the very first time I learned about crypto is “Patience is the key” and “Invest what you afford to lose”

If you can’t have this both then you don’t deserve to benefit from cryptocurrency world

Day trading has proven to give a lot of losses as compared to a 72hour spread or a weeklytrading. With day trading, you might even waste the profit you make for gas fees when u keep sending money from your wallet to the exchange site.

People should aware about how cryptocurrency works it is on a high risk investment level especially if you are newcomer and straight to expect gaining 200% or 1000% overnight.

Sometimes it's just about timing ... and the right timing requires a really long and deep analysis , not happening just like blinking your eyes.

This is just another way to Express your frustration... having a bad day , bad year and blame everything on bitcoin all at once. Be realistic and learn before making any move. If you can't hold bitcoin for 5 years then you can't even hold it for 5 minutes , you are not meant to be here.

I  agree with you, but the risks will always be high no matter what is it Bitcoin or Ethereum

I guess it's really just hard to say bitcoin is good when people got burnt or rekt in their trades while us who either get huge chunks of profit on btc or just really support the tech will always praise and defend it. Op is just one of the million people who have said the same thing after btc crashed and left for good but I'm very sure that his pain will be 10x worse when btc reach $100k soon.

He's really not alone because a lot of people here are also very tired of bitcoin when bitcoin hasn't moved in a single cycle, sudden increases and decreases are normal in recent times, a lot of people are hopelessly trying to predict and find bitcoin's bottom, whenever they think it is a bottom, deeper lows will appear, similar to whenever they think it is a peak. Especially for investors in altcoin, they are very tragic in these predictions, perhaps everyone should rest as you say and wait for a divine light to save them all

you just need to do it right.saveup money to do your tradin weekly rather than daily

Maybe trading is not for you, bitcoin is not a scam and I don't think those trusted exchangers like binance and poloniex is only for people who already got good wealth. I don't have much bitcoin but I don't experience scam with exchanges, make sure you enter the right site before trying to trade. If you think that they are just scamming you then stop already.

I don't think you can make money with bitcoin that way. If you do not have much experience in this area, you are like a kid playing a game of chance. You should think of ways to make money with Bitcoin like bonus programs, it will help you have a stable time and understand more about this market.

There is no different in trading generally, in trading cryptocurrency, I got the knowledge through Forex trading and I must tell you that it is the same thing, but the difference is just the volatility, cryptocurrency trading volatility is far higher than that of Forex and this has been the challenge with so many people as they are not able to manage the volatility of cryptocurrency trading.

Most successful trader of cryptocurrency is those that have developed the strategy and skills to understand the volatility and how to deal with it. It is the volatility that created the high risk that we are talking about today, and the moment that you can manage the risk, and then I think that issue would be solved already. So trading crypto is quite easy also if you can manage it well.

The.money is called digital money and not real money like fiats. For you to have the real money from digital money, you must be able to exchange your digital coins to fiats by simply go to an exchange to sell for fiats. Digital money is the real money that is be converted to fiats at exchange. So, this money is real, am a living testimony of what am saying Buddy, patience is the major key to success in cryptocurrency because the entire market is volatile.

Title and what's written in the OP are totally opposite, your frustrations should be directed towards those tokens (shitcoins) you invested in

What are your options, let's see :

• Trading which you say you can't because you need a few thousand dollars ::)
• Crypto gambling
• Hodling-you need money to make money with this one

Ummh not so true, if that was the case the minimum deposit would never have been as low as what we see today and crypto trading needs one to understand the market and be on the look out for those money moving factors.

think you are just venting your frustration , mate
bitcoin is money , you can buy things with it - not everything you want and need just yet
but there are many blogs and videos where people did challenges living ONLY using bitcoins to buy stuff for a period of time
with adoption you will be able to spend bitcoin as you are spending your fiat money nowadays
how to make money with bitcoin ? if you think out of the fiat box you can find many ways , you can do bitcoin related jobs and earn bitcoin
you can invest bitcoin or do trading , the options are numerous
much better than felling sick of bitcoin and potentially missing out on the lifechanging opportunity