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Title: Alt accounts and signature abusing on Local forum
Post by: Hey there Delilah on August 25, 2019, 09:46:23 PM
Hi there;

my english is not so good, but i will try to explain;

2 Accounts connected on local forum, they entered lots of signature bounties;

Bitcoin Forum > Local > Türkçe (Turkish)

Here some evidences;


2.
Both are  follower of Erbakan Hodja  (Erdogan's hodja) and the only person in the country who writes about Bitcoin and Erbakan's unification of islam against western economic culture.

Kalemder
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2312539.msg23538970#msg23538970

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2312539.msg23467041#msg23467041

El-cezeri

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5162605.msg51738090;topicseen#msg51738090


3. Both of the previous signatures were the same, the bounties they entered were the same regularly. for example, in ferrum, one asks when the signature will be distributed, and the other answers the wrong membership


Kalemder

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5169415.msg52028060#msg52028060

El ceziri

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5169415.msg52027694#msg52027694

4. After removing the writings of both at the same time, a concise word-aphorism was written.


5. They both enter the Asura, luckily neither of them sells for a long time and they both write losses.


Kalemder loss money in the asura ico

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4598243.msg42093106#msg42093106

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3874758.msg41201768#msg41201768

Al-Ceziri remembers the old days, about he loses in asura ico

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4598243.msg51696342#msg51696342

6- both of them on the same day binance margin on the pondering questions.

No need to write about it already has 30-40 posts.

He follows the lord of the rings news every week,

el ceziri;

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5157246.msg51916484#msg51916484

Kalemder makes profile photos about the lord of the rings from time to time. He writes lots of gandalf's aforism in time to time. his signature was a gandalfs aforism.



8. Both claimed that the telegram was swindled by group admins. One of them opened the subject in this matter, both wisdom in the same way, the same tactics are being defrauded in the post telegram admins and he said they are scammers.


Kalemder

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5143406.0

el ceziri

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4576893.msg41308657#msg41308657


9.  they both have 30.000 Turkis liras  pc, he occasionally put the photos of this pc, and remove.  About this pc One screen of the PC stands vertically on the table, not horizontal, and both PCs have Dual 1080 Graphics cards. both have 1 ethereum rig.


Kalemder
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4846529.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2080023.msg20789030#msg20789030

El ceziri

Recently, a person who wants to collect a pc out of the subject, he said I have 30 thousand liralik PC double 1080 li, there is also a rig post,

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5170462.msg52008065#msg52008065

the sad part;

10. on last month, he activated his inactive sub-membership to make full member via collect merit. later, on off-topic boards he ask about how to collect merit and he opened a board and he asked for positive trust from people.  Last 2 weeks kalemder most merited to el- cezeri and el ceziri most merited to kalemder.

Favorite profiles to send sMerit to
el cezeri to Kalemder      8   (the most)


Favorite profiles to send sMerit to

Kalemder to el-cezeri  19        (the most)




And he accepts these claims;

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5157246.msg52114023#msg52114023


translated;

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Hahaha, shove it! Forum's new magazine topic

I'm Kalemder. Besides, he's your best Thank you.
Cezeri is not the same person as me, But i don't mean he is different, he's a relative (family).  We are using same PC.  I've even mixed up his account while using the same computer. Some times I mix my account with he.

Come on, it doesn't matter. This is a place where anonymous ideas meet anonymously.


both accounts online everytime and he is online with his relative on same pc.

There are 30 evidences about this alt-account. I can add more and more. All members know he is the same.  You can use Google translate to translate the post, or you can ask me to translate it, i can help you. We suffer in local forum for merit farming for alt accounts, abusing, sub-accounts and signature abusing.


I hope some DT persons or other forum members can help about that









Title: Re: Alt accounts and signature abusing on Local forum
Post by: Timelord2067 on August 26, 2019, 03:33:20 PM
...

Just in case you don't see my reply to your identical post in the Known Alts thread, you need to unlock the Turkish version (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5174160.0) thread you started and contact EFS (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=140584) who is a moderator over there for advise on who might be able to walk through your post's information.

Regards,


Title: Re: Alt accounts and signature abusing on Local forum
Post by: hacker1001101001 on August 26, 2019, 05:21:29 PM
Both the accounts are most probably alts of each other under many evidence's you mentioned above, but I would also like to add, both of them are merit fans of each other, one of the top merit senders and receivers of each other as you can see here:

Kalemder : https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Kalemder

El-cezeri : https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=El-Cezeri

This also takes them to merit abuse. Eventhough, if they are participating in the same bounty with alts, they should be banned sooner.


Title: Re: Alt accounts and signature abusing on Local forum
Post by: Timelord2067 on August 27, 2019, 02:17:32 AM
Both the accounts are most probably alts of each other under many evidence's you mentioned above, but I would also like to add, both of them are merit fans of each other, one of the top merit senders and receivers of each other as you can see here:

Kalemder : https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Kalemder

El-cezeri : https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=El-Cezeri

This also takes them to merit abuse. Eventhough, if they are participating in the same bounty with alts, they should be banned sooner.

@LoyceV would say they are merit backscratchers - there's certainly plenty of high end DT users who've given eachother merit.  It's inconclusive.

However

On these merit pages

  • Sent by Kalemder - http://loyce.club/Merit/history/487377.html

    • El-Cezeri receives 19 merits
    • mhanbostanci receives 8 merits
    • onurgozupek receives 5 merits
    • gospodin receives 3 merits
    • Matthias9515 receives 6 merits
  • Sent byEl-Cezeri - http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1277439.html

    • Kalemder receives 8 merits
    • mhanbostanci receives 1 merit
    • PHI1618 receives 1 merit
    • Hey there Delilah receives 1 merit
    • gospodin receives 2 merits
    • Matthias9515 receives 4 merits

onurgozupek was tagged by me in February 2018:

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onurgozupek u=948010 and koinli u=1185635 both using the same telegram @onurgozupek in different signature campaigns simultaneously.

http://archive.is/DXbCa#selection-2313.0-2493.62

I can't recall why mhanbostanci crossed my desk, by their UID shows up on my list.  (Having said that they have no trust wall Red Paint ™)

gospodin gives Matthias9515 and otto_diesel Trust Wall (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1339358) feedback:

https://i.imgur.com/VVqzr91.jpg

Amongst a whole lot of other merits given out Matthias9515 gives merits to: http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1018510.html

  • El-Cezeri receives 1 merit
  • Kalemder receives 4 merits
  • mhanbostanci receives 4 merits
  • gospodin receives 14 merits

Matthias9515 receives merits from:

  • El-Cezeri gives 4 merits
  • Kalemder  gives 7 merits
  • mhanbostanci gives 6 merits
  • gospodin gives 14 merits

otto_diesel also sends and receives merits from some of the above, but there is no evidence to suggest otto_diesel or Matthias9515 are involved in a merit-go-round with El-Cezeri and Kalemder in much the same way the DT1's give each other 50 merits for frivolous posts slamming the latest butt of their jokes.


Title: Re: Alt accounts and signature abusing on Local forum
Post by: Vispilio on August 27, 2019, 10:44:55 AM
I've interacted with both Kalemder & El-Cezeri on multiple occasions and flat out asked them "are you the same person"

Kalemder says (original quote below) "Cezeri is not the same person as me, however a relative that I wouldn't call so different. I've even browsed his own personal account while using the same pc sometimes..."

Cezeri ise benle aynı kişi olmamakla beraber, farklı demekten imtina edeceğim bir yakınımdır. Aynı bilgisayarı kullanırken onun hesabını karıştırdığım bile olmuştur.

The fact is, both of these guys are very active and make an extraordinarily high number of very useful posts on the Turkish local forums. Kalemder is a trader by profession and often spends the vast majority of the day in front of screens anyways, so that's also natural.

Even if these accounts are somehow connected, I have never seen them abuse it in any way, and to the contrary both have enriched the Turkish forums a lot.

In the name of fairness and offering equal opportunity to all local forum participants, I merit both of these guys half the amount that they would otherwise receive on their posts.