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This is not new and we all know this from the beginning. And i talk about Craig Wright. The court today official announce that he is a fraud and call him to pay the half of this bitcoin that supposed to hold with Kleiman. That means 500k bitcoin and that means that craig wright fell to his own lies.
Of course this bitcoin never exist from the first place.
The most laughable was this :D


"Dr.Wright is Dishonest. He is a Serial Forger!"

(we all know that even his Dr is a lie)... :P

https://twitter.com/PeterMcCormack/status/1166086602441068544

I like to remind everyo who was first introduce this scammer fraudster to bitcoin community.
It was Gavin, he never say public that Wright is not satoshi, and Matonis.

Great news!
And I am not surprised at all with the outcome, but C.Wrong is now officially a fraud and a liar,
and we have it confirmed and on paper.
Next one should be check of his head and mental health...

This is a remarkable judgment. Wright should have joined the community in propagating cryptocurrency in a good light rather resorting to self-inflicted destruction, and now his believers that bought BSV are currently in pains. Heros never try to prove their identities, his followers should have known this.

did he "legally" claim to have a certain amount of bitcoin (in this case 1 million) or is it just the assumption?
the article on Coindesk[1] only says "50 percent of the bitcoin that Wright held prior to Dec. 31, 2013" without mentioning any numbers. of course i haven't really been following the case, so maybe the value was mentioned before?

[1] https://www.coindesk.com/judge-recommends-ruling-in-favor-of-kleiman-in-craig-wright-case

A good friend of mine and I have been following the court cases. I called him right as he got off work today and we legit laughed our asses off with joy. This guy is a fucking joke. If you have any question as too if he's a fraud or not watch the video below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWix77CEcFg

CSW was already exposed years ago by the awesome wizsec.jp blog, see this pic:

https://i.postimg.cc/KGhdsrtG/csw-.jpg

His ego has brought himself into a trap, he wanted to twist the facts to get institutions claiming he is satoshi to collect his coins and his fame. The boomerang keeps hitting back on his forehead and he digs an increasingly deeper holes of lies.

To be honest, I have always thought CSW suffers from some sort of mental condition. He should admit this, and try to use it in court to make fines less heavy, it's the only thing he's got now.

We all expected the same judgement since last few years when Dave's brother filed the lawsuit in Florida. However, the court did not mention any amount, rather passed the judgement on percentage saying 50% of the bitcoins mined prior to 2014 will be awarded to Kleiman Estate. I am sure Craig is now planning his next step on how he can minimize the amount that needs to be given out.

While we all assumed that Craig is an impostor and now when he will have to shell out a fortune, it's BSV which he needs to sell in order to satisfy the terms and conditions of the judgement. If you happen to hold any BSV, sell it off right now because it is going to bleed big time!

Oh thank God.
The truth always comes out.

Good thing is that it was legal by now. Even before it can be seen in plain sight.
Why the hell did it took so long before the jurisdiction can tell what is real.
Are they really that dumb to not see it?
I mean it didn't really have to go that far. Perhaps there should also be another consequences for doing this.
They have also dragged some newbies in their lies. Some did believe him and maybe even worshipped him.

Knowing his personality, he will fight for it until the bitter end. He is already exposed big time here and it will just futile on his end to plan his next step because he will just fail over and over again.


He really needs to liquidate his assets including his beloved BSV so I'm not surprised if he indeed cash it out that will affect the price negatively and went into a downward spiral. It will be interesting to see what's going to happen to BsV.

Craig Wright has always been a fraud and a shill. And now his lies are already asking for the price. He is asked to pay for the amount he does not truly own. This is going to be funnier in the days to come. The next thing he does will be a complete turnaround of what he did before. He will disprove his previous statements. He will admit and prove that he does not actually own these much Bitcoins. He is becoming a joke more and more.

He can ate all his lies now. At the beginning, I really doubt Craig Wright is the great Satoshi. There are so many misleading statement of him, claiming unbelievable things, owning what he did not really own is something pyschotic mind will do. The court did the right thing to expose his all lies and to pay for all the damages his been done to mislead crypto people. I wonder how he gonna compensate that 500k bitcoin if he really own thousands of them which I surely thought that is another lie.

 Isn't it rather, that the judge confirmed CSW as Satoshi Nakamoto, because CSW has to pay half of Satoshi's Bitcoins?

Did the order say to pay half of Satoshi's Bitcoin? I don't think so. The current judgement doesn't prove anything as Craig is Satoshi. This case is not about "whether Craig is Satoshi" but about the rights over the bitcoin holdings, which Craig was allegedly trying to seize. In the due course, it was ordered that Kleiman be awarded 50 percent of the bitcoin and IPs that Wright held prior to Dec. 31, 2013.

What if Kleiman decide to sell those btc's? Actually he is going to sell, time to another bear market? I dont like this.Zeus hellp us.

it was actually nick szabo trace mayer that introduced wright.
well before the media drama of the australian tax fraud stuff happened wright(then a stranger to the community)
made a remote videocall(skype).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdvQTwjVmrE
wright then doxxed himself to press to raise his profile and then moved to the uk to start the satoshi fraud.. it was not until he was in the uk did the gavin/ matonis stuff occur


i thought the same thing. that it was craigs plan win or lose it would be used somehow to his benefit. but i need to read a court transcript to know more as media currently reads it as craig owing 50% of any coin mined before 2014 rather than a specific list of source

Can't sell Bitcoins you don't own. It's highly unlikely that CSW is currently (at the very least) holding anywhere near that much, so this settlement isn't even set in stone yet. Also worth noting that Dave Kleiman is dead -- his relatives are the ones taking CSW to court.


I don't think Satoshi's identity is involved at all, but we might need better sources:


Their business apparently had to (publicly, at least) do with mining, which might explain the wording of the ruling.

No doubt Craig Wright is not satoshi, he is Faketoshi, but I have a doubt. This condemnation that he had, he cannot appeal against this sentence handed down by this judge Bruce Reinhart? The only information I see is about this condemnation. but they don't talk about whether he can still appeal to another higher court or not. these bitcoin-related news channels have to start giving more details when posting news

Craig Wright will find a way to talk himself out of this one, but the court judgement will cast a shadow over his future ventures and people will always point back to that, when he wants to launch something new.  ;D

He can also not lodge deformation of character court cases against people that call him a fraudster now, because the court pointed that out.  ::)

OP, Gavin did not expose him as a fraudster, because even Gavin fell for his claims and actually supported him in the beginning, when he fist claimed that he was Satoshi.  ::)

Possible that Ira Kleiman is involved. He can sell risk shares of this billion dollar claim and make a few millions with it.

saw an article regarding this topic earlier and I wasn't surprised about the result of the case. it's about time CSW shut his mouth up.
I just can't believe the length people will go to just to get money.

Agree with you and its true that he tried his best to gain everyone's attention by claiming as real satoshi. There was a time when news about him was quite popular on cryptoworld and i think it was his real target. Day by day people's have discovered the real drama which was nothing but garbage in real.

I don't know when he come again to be breaking news with another bunch of lies :)

I guess this is all for Craig Wrights Publicity stunt, He would surely want to be well known in my opinion that is why he would do something like this, now he got our attention by surely giving his identity as the one to call the shots in creating Bitcoin, But again claiming something that doesn't belong to him would surely come to a conclusion of liability,

And this is never been new to me and I have known Wright because of the forum and now after claiming that he is Satoshi just don't really hit me, Maybe because there is no viable statement and I really don't feel any unlikely to be him as Satoshi, Because Nakamoto will not gonna take away his security and his comfort zone in revealing himself.

I'm not sure if you can decisively conclude that he is a fraud from the outcome of this hearing. As far as I am aware of the only correct conclusion for now is that the judge will recommend that half of the Bitcoin mined by CSW (before December 31, 2013) should be given to Kleiman as well as some IP.

For many people it would get more interesting if CSW would be asked to e.g. sign a message with Satoshi keys, no?

Personally I will keep developing for BSV as well as I think the project actually has some good ideas behind it and from that point of view I hope it stays :)

This is how Mr (Dr.) Wright putting its ends towards crypto. Nobody believes him now, the lies coming from his mount it totally making no sense at all and I'm sure no one could pretend to listen to him. He's only one ( or two) who had bad claims toward crypto but we are too many to think and believe how  crypto could change us.
Let see how Mr. Wright take actions as he faces in court and hopefully we will pay to Kleiman.

What a huge price to pay for a troll and the worst part is most of the people didn't even believe his lie's and now he have to pay for it.
Better luck to the next Faketoshi's out there hope y'all ready for a great price in the future .
Better start saving money for the court .

With this I guess he must change name from Craig Wright to “Craig Wrong”? 😂

Though we already expect this from the beginning still there’s a Happiness that after all the misleading and dishonesty now he will pay for all the damage

BSV supporters will surely the Casualties of this and I feel sad for them

it is as they say "if you dig one ditch, you better dig two".
Craig Wright tried so hard for the past two years to scam people and steal their money and now he is at the bottom of the ditch that he dug for him and is going to pay for it.

I read the latest spin on this, is his loss on the trial means that the Judge has 'proved' he now is Satoshi!

Talk about putting a spin on things say the Craig Wright apologists! sheesh!

https://bitcoinist.com/with-50-percent-btc-to-be-forfeited-will-craig-wright-stop-playing-satoshi-now/ (https://bitcoinist.com/with-50-percent-btc-to-be-forfeited-will-craig-wright-stop-playing-satoshi-now/)

The most 'likely' result of this is that Craig Wright will say on Jan 1st, 2020 when supposedly he has access to the Satoshi Tulip Fund.

That the so-called 'Trustees' are not to be found! Gasp! They have run off with the private keys! Gasp! Alas, poor me with my 'bad' luck!

But he will still claim he is Satoshi! Send BTC to help me morn my loss! The trustee betrayal will now prove I'm Satoshi. (See altered docs) :)

The other part, that Craig Wright actually does have access to the Tulip Fund, well, that is too horrible to contemplate!

Ack! I scared myself with that last line above! Ack!

Brad

Imho he's officially a fraud since the point he was unable to properly sign (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4hflr3/craig_wrights_signature_is_worthless/) that message with Satoshi's keys.
Did anything change since then? Nothing. Just media noise.
Bitcoin goes on. And CSW goes.. deeper and deeper down.

That is ridiculous. This it sounds like Craig Wright uses crypto to promote his name in media and be known in the public. This is some kind of media plays and nothing to take it seriously.
As Mr. Wright become officially fraud, then I'm officially not listening to him about crypto, neither. He is not actually a bad guy but he is putting himself to be bad to look at. 

In fairness to him, he already posted this blog and left it to the reader to decide, http://gavinandresen.ninja/either-or-ignore

Although yes, an open declaration, like Roger Ver did, would have been convincing.


No, that video shows no introduction from Nick Szabo or Trace Mayer. They were only in a panel together.

Ask the man,


https://twitter.com/NickSzabo4/status/1166398879488606208

I remember that panel. Dude was introduced out of nowhere. Trace and Szabo were there, they had nothing to do with getting him on that Skype call. It must have been a Matonis connection there I guess. I reckon he was introduced as an early miner or something.

What interests me now is what is the current state of the Paul Solotshi Calder LeRoux. Word around town was that CSW was trying to bruteforce on his HDD which allegedly had satoshi's wallet... history got increasingly comboluted to follow.

Well its been over a day since the trial and looking at the markets including BSV it seems that 99% of the people already knew that Craig was never Satoshi.

Basically if he actually was Satoshi then a massive sell-off would happen since the estate would have to pay taxes on those BTC holdings and the taxes alone would be in the billions and the market wouldn't be able to absorb all that selling especially if it happened in a short time-frame.

I think unless we start seeing some old 2009 Bitcoin coinbase public address start moving 50 BTC around and being sent to a single party where it adds up to 400K BTC then there won't be any panic in the markets. However like everybody has mentioned here before. Most likely he is not Satoshi and those BTC aren't his.

that's the thing with centralized altcoins, their price has nothing to do with what is going on in the real world. their price is 100% manipulated by the owners that are fully controlling the chain and the market both. that is why it has not yet disappeared, they are keeping it alive artificially. and with each pump and dump others also join in because they want profit and don't care about anything else.

Finally that's official, I don't think he can still cause some FUD or FOMO in the space, I hope people will not anymore get fooled by this man.
No Satoshi, he isn't the real one and we will never know the real satoshi, everyone who claims they are satoshi are fake, including this one of course which is now declared as an official liar.

I wonder what will happen with BSV.

I think the opposite of this https://cryptoslate.com/bitcoin-sv-pumps-after-fake-craig-wright-satoshi-news-tricks-chinese-investors/

It's either a desperate move on his part of someone took advantage of the situation created a fake news and then take the profits when BSV hits $200. Just sad that a lot of investors are duped by this fraudsters again. I guess we can all rest the case as it is now official that CW is not Satoshi. He could file for an appeal but it doesn't change the fact he is faketoshi.

The next thing that I would like to hear now is that he was officially jailed because he is really a fraud and I knew that he wanted to defraud people more when he claimed that he was satoshi, I am sure that he was trying to get attention of people to bsv so that they can invest for the value to climb and give him the opportunity to dump that his plenty investment that he has in bsv.

I am sure that by now he would have learnt his lessons that it is not good to go about things in a fraudulent way now he will be losing a lot of money for no reason, they just need to teach him lesson more and make him spend some times in jail, maybe that will also teach some of the people that are impersonating satoshi to withdraw before they plan that which they want to do.

That's just it. This is a 'civil' case in the USA and he is from Australia. He, IMHO, can just be playing the 'long con and when 1/1/2020 comes along, he will say the following.

More or less in this order.

(1) Around January 1st, 2020 he will announce a 'delay' on accessing the 'supposed Tulip Fund and his 'supposed' Bitcoin access due to legal and tax reasons and the uncertainty

of 'supposed 2019 USA taxes clarification on cryptocurrency and Bitcoin. That will kill at least a year, if not more time, for the 'big con' and stall.

(2) After the above, he will then say he has run into difficulties with exactly 'how much' BTC there is in the various 'supposed' Tulip Fund BTC addresses and such. Again, for

tax purposes.  Then, of course, there is how to distribute the funds that he lost in the lawsuit and to his partners who have floated this scam for him for years, etc. Note: the

mt. Gox distribution has taken what, 4 years? Also, don't forget he can bring up tax issues again for the USA yet, on this new conundrum and also Australia and the United Kingdom,

which he has lived for awhile. Again, all this and 'still' not proving he even has any access to any original Satoshi Bitcoin Address of any kind.

(3) He could also lie (gasp!) and say he has decided to NOT sell all his BTC and NOT by selling much at all get around the above tax burdens in mass on the above messes

in (1) and (2) above he claims. He will however then say that he WILL be pulling all the BCH and BSV OUT of his wallets. Not sure when of course, see some issues on above

(1) and (2) etc, further kicking his actual proof of owning any keys down the road. Even IF he has NO access to Bitcoin keys, by that point he may have enough access to BTC he has

mined and/or has converted from BSV at the high, back in the day, with partners in last 2 years or so. Thus the long con would be to take that BTC ..strip out the BCH and BSV and then

dump the BCH and claim the run has started and he is dumping all BCH from his now supposedly accessible Tulip Trust soon after, a test of market conditions, using, of course, NON-Tulip

Trust Bitcoin for tax purposes and see how it goes. Gonna use the last out on Bitcoin, I've mined since 2017 don't ya know, as a test before dumping the 2009 BTC don't ya know.

Thus on this  supposed panic he has created FUD that can pump BSV and sell it high and drive BCH down massively. Reaping the rewards for a time.

(4) After that he says he has changed his mind and WILL release a mass amount of Bitcoin in that tax issues and such have been solved and also he will now dump a bunch

he owes $2 billion to the Klieman estate and also at least $1 Billion? for USA and Australia and United Kingdom taxes. Then on this 'supposed move, he will drive BSV up in

price and thus dump at the high again. Are you seeing a rinse/wash/repeat pattern?

(5) Alas after say about 3 years of the above, and NOW finally saying he has everything now in order, he has tried to get the Bitcoin out of the Tulip Trust and alas!

He has been betrayed by the trustees of the fund, lost keys, took off with keys, our 'soon to be benevolent alien overlords, take your pick, etc, etc.

Alas, such bad luck, so sorry. Thus, he has dumped or is dumping BSV on these actions, he has no choice, none of the coins he dumps will be Bitcoin coins from the Klieman

the settlement, those, of course, are 'lost' so sorry. Also, from these last 3 years of future drama, say till 2023 of these games, he probably could use this con to at least get say (IMHO)

about $1 billion dollars USD from all this drama/BTC/bch/bsv manipulation/bsv selling on high on artificial pumps etc, etc. Maybe more if he secretly does believe in BTC and is just

using this long con to fill his HODL hoard.

Thus even after paying off his partners in crime he still could clear $1/2 Billion USD (IMHO)  in Bitcoin and if he DOES HODL that (hey, by that time he has destroyed BCH and BSV)

has to go someplace. Thus with the supposed 'technical' fixes by Bitcoin Core in the next 3 years he now claims, he has a 'come to Jesus' moment and Bitcoin Core is just dandy

and as Satoshi, he is pleased they have now seen the light and is going to jump back in and lead Bitcoin Core into the future! ( I threw up a little bit in my throat on typing this) :(

Indeed, he could write a tell-all, book, from an un-extraditable nation and probably have a best seller for another 1/2 million best seller!

This is just what comes to mind, and I'm a fairly honest fellow, I'm sure he has much better skills in this than myself, thus it will likely be much worse than any of the above.

Of course, the 'worst' is if he actually is the last man alive from the Satoshi Group and has full access to the Bitcoin Tulip Fund in 1/1/2020...but the universe could not be that cruel!

(shudder!)

What do you all think? Is this too far fetched? Will he crash and burn sooner or later or never? Will he play this and some folk like a fiddle as the master of scam and FUD?

Above is all supposition on my part, but he has options to play this into a long con for some dubious uses on the crypto/BTC community.

How much success he has I've no idea, but I'm damn sure he is gonna try like hell!

Brad

Believe it or not there's still many people bagholding their BSV. Similarly to Craig Wright's problems, BSV backholders (and pretty much any shitcoin bagholder, specially forks) have too much of an ego to admit defeat. Those are exactly the people that go down with the ship. They had many opportunities to jump and get saved by dumping in exchange of Bitcoin while they had the opportunity to do so, but no, they thought they were going to defeat Bitcoin, they thought they were the real Bitcoin, they thought they were "the next big thing" and so on.

Once 2020 is here and absolutely nothing happens, they will look for excuses and keep kicking the can waiting for "the flippening".

You can't save CSW as much as you can't save shitcoin bagholders, they share the same insolvable problems.

A lot of people HODL BCH and BSV from their old BTC Addresses in the USA in that it is NOT clear yet how the IRS will tax this stuff falling from the sky! So it is better to just

let these sh*tcoin's ride, rather than move them out to something else and expose yourself to unknow tax problems or other issues. My CPA says you can't get burnt if you

just leave it the hell alone.

Anyway, what I'm doing and so others have said. Kinda a big Meh! It fell on a person's BTC Blockchain roof..if it stays and adds value somehow, well meh! If it slides off the

blockchain roof without any value someday, well meh! Most of us have missed so many boats since 2013 on either buy or sell or whatever at this point in time or that particular

coin launch (like ETH) that we are like the Pregnant Waitress waving at the fleet from the dock as they sail off to war, hoping someone waves back!

So again, meh!

Brad

Craig Wright sold most of his BSV after he triggered the pump by filing the patent application. If you remember, first he crashed the prices (perhaps in collusion with the exchanges and Blockchain.com) by getting the coin delisted from many of the exchanges. Once he could accumulate a good volume of BSV, he pumped the prices through the patent application. He sold most of his coins when the exchange rates were around 0.025-0.029 BTC and as a result the prices went back to the previous levels (BTC0.013 per coin).

But first, we need to see whether the judge will ask for immediate implementation of his order. There is a very good chance that Craig Wright would consider appealing against the ruling in the higher courts. So I don't see any immediate danger for Wright. Also, we need to remember that Craig S Wright is an Australian citizen currently residing in England. Rulings in the US may have limited impact on him. The ruling was issued by Judge Bruce E. Reinhart, the Magistrate Judge of United States District Court for the Southern District of Florida. First, Reinhart's order needs to be adopted by the United States District Judge Beth Francine Bloom. As far as I know, this process hasn't been completed yet.

Was it declared that he was Satoshi?

From some comments on Twitter, Craig Wright lost because he was abusive of the judicial process, proven not credible, and a liar who commited perjury. But the BitcoinCashSV hodlers will tell you, "Satoshi is brilliant for proving to the world that he is not Satoshi, protecting his identity, but he is Satoshi because look". ::)

what i have read on news sites the judge actually explicitly have declared that the court was not to even decide whether he is Satoshi or not, the court was not even supposed to estimate how much bitcoin he may or may not own.
this last part is actually part of my confusion specially since the court's decision was to order him to give "half" of what he owned but at the same time they don't specify how much is the total to give half of it!

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/aug/28/australian-who-says-he-invented-bitcoin-ordered-to-hand-over-up-to-5bn
classic scammer's attitude:

That's exactly how faketoshi could be sent to jail potentially by refusing to tell the court how much he owns.
He could say that he is unable to tell but it is the court to decide the credibility of his words.

Well played. Now that he's exposed, I wonder what he's going to do next. I'm sure that BSV will really take a big hit this time because of his lies and it will hard to redeem itself again. I wonder when will he drop the "I am Satoshi" case. If he still lies about that instead of trying to redeem himself, the grave that he's digging right now is just going to get deeper.

The judge explicitly said, that the court doesn't decide, wether CSW is SN or not, but as they assume CSW has access to SN's Bitcoins, it indicates, that they believe Ira Kleimans story about the Bitcoin partnership CSW/DK, which most likely also never took place.
They also assume, that all the lies and forgeries, that CSW committed, was because he doesn't want to share his 1 Mio Bitcoins.

I believe, that the following happened:

The first time one of the actors appeared, was Dave Kleiman. I am not sure who it was, but somebody pointed out, that DK could be Satoshi Nakamoto. Later internet press took this story and added Craig Wright, who had some real life connections with DK.
https://gizmodo.com/the-strange-life-and-death-of-dave-kleiman-a-computer-1747092460

Looks like Craig found out that his buddy Dave is one of the Satoshi Nakamoto candidates and that Satoshi might have a huge Bitcoin stack.
I read somewhere, that after Dave's death, CSW was trying to get access to Dave's computer to get the Bitcoins and he forged documents, that linked Dave Kleiman and himself in a business, which never existed. He used a handwrite font to forge DK's signature (DK had a completely different signature btw, which shows CSW's level of impudence).


Some of the sources:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/dec/09/bitcoin-founder-craig-wrights-home-raided-by-australian-police?CMP=twt_gu
https://gizmodo.com/the-strange-life-and-death-of-dave-kleiman-a-computer-1747092460
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-australia-bitcoin-exclusive-idUSKBN0TS0AB20151209#bzeAL54QJoAhRJ8p.97
https://www.wired.com/2015/12/bitcoins-creator-satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-this-unknown-australian-genius/
https://www.wired.com/2016/05/craig-wright-privately-proved-hes-bitcoins-creator/
https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2015/12/09/2147378/so-satoshi-is-an-aussie/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1459687.0
https://www.cointop.net/so-called-satoshi-accused-of-pgp-forgery-in-kleiman-vs-wright-suit/
https://bico.media/05fbeb3973805c902601b5c1ef2831d27eb5c45c40b8032a53d428b68cdfd53d.pdf
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.187.0.pdf
https://www.reddit.com/r/SneerClub/comments/bdypn6/this_is_old_but_gold_gwern_branwen_coauthors_an/elj6xn9/?context=1
https://gizmodo.com/this-australian-says-he-and-his-dead-friend-invented-bi-1746958692
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=22221.msg51052990#msg51052990



Some quotes:

Which works against Craig Wright. He's sanctioned for lying/abuse, and he's not Satoshi. Hahaha.

About his identity, it must go back to Craig Wright signing a message using the Satoshi keys. Plus because he was not credible, Craig being Satoshi or not, was not the issue anymore. He lied and falsified documents, why? Not Satoshi in my opinion.

We all know his tactics and he is winning in a way by making everyone in the community talking about him, we had several threads in this forum just to mention his name and we are giving importance to his claims indirectly, we need to stop that publicity which he is craving and if that happens he will die off into obscurity and that is what we need rather than mentioning him all the time, it is my opinion and everyone has their rights to their opinion  ;).

How come BSV has stood up fine? Weird.

Will do so if I have to, according to CPA, if the price dumps to Tulip Prices, etc. But the IRS question this year is the FORKS of all coins on the blockchain.

There is a chance, that the IRS (hating BTC and crypto and all) will count all that as income, AT THE TIME IT LANDS ON YOUR BLOCKCHAIN. Not big odds,

but if you wanted as the U.S. Government or IRS to put a crimp in Crypto Adoption that is how you would do so.

Also, likely, even though my CPA in 2013 and beyond said the IRS would NEVER do so. In the time before there were NO tools to use CSV etc to see profits

on mining and such and you had to figure stuff out by hand. It seems likely that the IRS will say you need to use 'modern tools' to the time/minute on all the

crypto you mined and exchanges and bought and sold, using such modern tools for all transactions back to 2009. KYC and Money Laundering don't ya know.

Most of us, use the figure DAILY average from say www.coinmarketcap.com (http://www.coinmarketcap.com) on a piece of paper.

Well, that is likely out the window and all tax forms by

I would have to be amended back to 2013! Assuming they want modern blockchain tools to use 'retro-actively' in their tax review this year. Again, using

modern tax links for CSV etc down to the last day/time/minute due to crypto volatility as their excuse.

For whatever reason, the usual IRS guidelines for only looking back 3 years for a not thinking their was a crime

and 7 years if they suspect something, has been tossed. At least from the compliance letters sent so far.

So no, most of us are just gonna leave the forks alone and when the IRS says I owe money on such forked coin, I will say, what the hell are you talking about

and I have no idea what people are doing dropping stuff on my blockchain and have MAYBE an out..if things get as stupid as I suspect.

Again, I'm likely paranoid, but in 2013 my banker called the SEC on me to be investigated because I bought a KNC Jupiter BTC miner via wire transfer and

all Bitcoin was 'drug money'. Was a fun 2 weeks with everyone looking at me like a 'desperado' when I went to use the bank. Thus got the CPA, the SEC guy

was like 'what am I doing here' on the voice phone. Was all cleared up. But the banker DID try to hang me out to dry on saying I had no taxes done, and I

slapped my 2013 (amended for crypto) tax forms down in his face. Needless to say, I've changed banks.

But, IMHO, we could have some really stupid rules come out 'hopefully only initially till found unworkable' from the IRS. So no, just leaving the stuff ride.

Before forks fell out of the sky they were worthless, maybe they will be worthless again, just not gonna poke the bear or the IRS by claiming such this year

to the IRS, not worth the hassle, again IMHO. In fact, this year is a clear year for me. No crypto sold. No Crypto mined. Some equip for income sold, but that is

it. One year of less drama with CPA lady is probably due after 6 years of crypto CPA manipulation.

Anyway, my view on forked coins sitting about on my BTC and/or other Crypto blockchains, that fell from the sky.

Brad

This is so good to see such outcome in this case but from another side, when I start to think about it, then I start to be really worry because the amounts of BTC are overwhelming and we can not forget that Kleiman's family would have to pay 40% in taxes from the received amount, which can be the reason for BTC price dump if they will have to sell Bitcoins to pay these taxes.

Don't mention about all these taxes which CW will have to pay either when he will try to sell his Bitcoins. These could be for sure the highest taxes in Bitcoin history so far.
I am really afraid that at the end of January 2020 the BTC sell of will start which will crash the price for a very long time.

What do you think about this? Is this another threat? Or CW doesn't have this BTC in the first place and there is no Tulip fund which releases this coins 21 January 2020?

nope
craig made a txt file of public keys and got dave to notarize them as authentic (no private key verification by the way) and this formed the tulip trust.

the tulip trust was then used to attempt to scam the australian government out of tax stuff. which is where craig fled to the UK.
craig also scammed some shareholders out of investments by liquidating his company by blaming the australian tax office for not paying out.

craig wright was in legal troubles from 2013. doxxd himself to media in 2015 hoping the community would come to his aid(obviously didnt) and then he went on a deeper flip flop mission in 2016.

it was not a DK 'introducing' CSW. but a CSW announcing DK involvement as part of the SN scam, outing DK as a partner to try to add substance to the lies because at the time CSW didnt seem smart enough to have figured out what bitcoin was really about so needed to name a computer forensics specialist to up his own rep as a partner.

DK did not 'introduce' CSW. nor did GA

heres some tips. bch and bsc are not btc. so if csw was satoshi. then csw could easily 'spend' the early mined coins of the blockchain of bch and bsv as those public/private keys are the same for the chains but are not part of the shoddy trust 'holdings' known as tulip

I was also wondering about it. Actually BSV is the only coin among the top-10 to gain against BTC during the last 24 hours. It went up by 1.2%, when I expected at least a 50% crash. One possible explanation is that CSW may not be having much BSV left in his wallets. He may have sold most of it when the prices hit the peak when he triggered the pump (on May 30th, 2019).

Another possible explanation is that the BSV supporters might have interpreted the ruling as the judge agreeing to Craig's claim that he is the real Satoshi Nakamoto. I checked social media channels (especially Twitter) and there is a lot of propaganda going on in favor of CSW right now. Love him or hate him, but he has been successful in raising a large community of slaves loyal to him, who are ready to prop up BSV.

Ciphertrace proved that long ago by explaining the non-movement of funds and how easily he could have proven just signing with his private key

I didn't say, that CSW was introduced by DK, but that a rumour about DK being SN came out BEFORE I heard of CSW. This was after DK's death.
I also assume, that this Tulip Trust never existed and that all documents regarding a partnership with Kleiman are forged (incl the one with the addresses, that are obv. not Satashi Nakamoto's)

I'm pretty sure everyone already knew this lol  ;D

It will only take investors that are completely blind to see this, I have known this a long time, which is why I have never really paid attention that much to bsv, and Craig also know that they were using fake volume, so what he is been doing is to do everything possible to divert traffic to the project with all his propaganda about bitcoin, and all his lies about being satoshi, thinking he could use that as an avenue to gain massive increase on bsv, but unfortunately, every of his plan keep backfiring.

How they are able to sill retain the top in the market is what I don’t know and sometimes it make some doubt coinmarket data, because this is the same way the ripple also operates and has been retaining that position for a long time now without seeing people using it.

Shower thought. What if Craig Wright is something like a reality TV persona made to troll the Bitcoin community, divide it, and to easily "conquer".

It was successful in its coercion of Gavin Andresen, Roger Ver, and a few other Bitcoiners.

sooner or later all the scammers have to face the consequences of their actions. it is not like they could get away with it forever specially when their scam is taking place at a very large scale affecting a very large group of people.

Craig Wright is fking insane. He has long been creating hype in the vastness of the crypto community and I am glad that this will stop. Another fraudster identified and I hope we will not hear him again

It should have happened a long time ago. Craig Wright is a mad and fraud and it has no place for him in the crypto market

The catch with Craig Wright and his claim to be Satoshi is now moot. After the Klieman trial and the rest, he has been proven a fraud and stole Dave Klieman's works, who

I think was likely Satoshi. Thus, even if he does get 'access' to some/part or whatever of the so-called Tulip Fund on 1/1/2020, no one will believe he was Satoshi.

At worst folks with think he was part of the Satoshi Group which was likely Hal Finney and Dave Klieman and I guess this idiot Craig Wright. So again, even at worst

case scenario, folks will know him still as Fake Satoshi and profiting off the efforts of a partner that likely was Satoshi and ripping him off with fake documents too boot.

(see court case)

Also, if 1/2 goes to the Klieman estate as per the ruling and taxes paid and Craig Wright claims he will 'dump' all Bitcoin. You have taxes off of that dump as well, plus

penalties and fees for likely tax avoidance by the Australian Authorities on top of what he would owe them.

Well, Bitcoin Will survive, again, even if the above 1 out of 1,000 set of circumstances is true.

He is a fraud, even if he was, in the past, part of the Satoshi Group and outlived the others and there is a Tulip Fund due on 1/1/2020.

He has shown his true colors that of a megalomaniac fraudster who ripped off the credit from a dead man, according to the court case.

So access to Tulip Fund or not he is still an untrustworthy ass!

Brad

BSV bagholders are still hoping that something happens in 2020 when it comes to Craig's trust fund. The reason they want that to be true is because in case CSW was involved in the fund and got some coins out of it it would automatically kickstart more media attention for CSW and thus BSV. That may be the final exit scam for anyone that is still holding the thing, including CSW, unless his ego is big enough to go down with the ship, including loss of all the money destroyed in trying to keep the hashrate going and so on. Not to mention every exchange that had problems giving coins back to creditors.

Another way that BSV could get more traction is in the unlikely even that segwit got exploited somehow in the future. Then people would (by mistake) think that BSV "is Bitcoin", they would buy it, then they would lose it as order is restored in legacy Bitcoin.

When I posted agains this wright, some of Craig's followers were protesting him badly. Now, the world knows he was a fraud from the beginning and he deserves more dishonor from the court. Still, I don't know who are they supporting the Bitcoin SV! Why this coin's rank still too high? After Craig Wright, Roger Ver is the next guy who is spreading propaganda right now.

It has a relatively high rank because most people who sold their fork coins have sold into the buy orders of nChain and Calvin.

They control such a large part of the coins in circulation that they at current levels are comfortable supporting it financially. If you also take into consideration that barely any newly minted coins are being sold, because they account for the majority of BSV's hashrate, the price isn't going to experience much external selling pressure. What will happen is that they end up holding millions of BSV coins but no one to sell to.  :D

In that regard, I wouldn't pay attention to their coin rank. What matters is that the majority of the crypto ecosystem rejects their practices. :)

Those 'supporters' will later on be tired of supporting an empty platform.
BSV is valuable in the market right now but give a couple of years and we will see their true colour.
There is no strong use case in the market nor solid foundation for this altcoin, just mere propaganda from a fraudulent owner.

it is because the "ranking" system is a broken one that is ranking different altcoins based on a flawed concept called "market capitalization". so when a shitcoin forks out of bitcoin, it automatically summons 18 million of supply and with at least $100 value it would be $1.8 billion market cap out of thin air!
now since majority of users don't even touch these shitcoins and worse they don't touch the shitcoin forked out of another shitcoin forked out of bitcoin (ie. BSV) that means their price isn't going to tank that easily so they stay up.

pretty much impossible at this point since the vast majority of the network is now enforcing segwit as a consensus rule. the time for segwit to be exploited was years ago, in 2017. if miners tried to steal the segwit outputs now, hardly anyone on the network would view their chain as valid. it would effectively be a hard fork and would be completely ignored.

but let's say hypothetically that this attack occurs. why would that make people think BSV is bitcoin?

Plus miners of Bitcoin Cash SV will switch to Bitcoin. Bitcoin's model simply keeps the miners happy and fed. Big blocks,/low fees/next halving in Bitcoin Cash, and Bitcoin Cash SV will show it.

"Miner death spiral"? Watch Bitcoin Cash and its fork in the next 8 years.

What if? Well. That is not possible again because many people already know who he is and he has now been officially known as scammer, so for him to get this name off will take a very long time, and probably not even in this generation again which he would have even been dead before the story could be forgotten.

Craig was just doing all those things to actually create awareness for himself because he could not even back his point up other than one domain that he used, in fact the Pakistan guy’s story was even still quite believable than that of Craig's own, and I think that he would have even been quiet by now and begging so that he does not pay that amount of money that he was asked to pay in the court which could really wreck him a lot.

HE is happy as long as people are mentioning his name.  You guys are playing right into his hand and he is becoming more famous and will get more people to buy bitcoin SV.  This guy can come across as very intelligent buy I do think he is an egomaniac. 

They already 'sorted' that out by having 144 block (1 day) difficulty adjustments instead of the 2016 block (14 day) difficulty adjustment that Bitcoin has. IIRC, there have been various tweaks made to change how the difficulty gets adjusted, but it seems that they have settled with the 144 block adjustment period. If they have to, they will fork it to have even faster difficulty adjustments.

In that regard, they made sure it's no longer Bitcoin'ish, so it isn't following the white paper that mr Ver keeps referring to. Naughty scammer!

But it will not save them from a falling hash rate. The SHA256 coin keeps miners well fed and profitable is Nitcoin. Bitmaincoin and Craigcoin miners are earning less than Bitcoin miners, and will always be because Bitcoin's model is far better. Bitcoin Cash knows it, and wants to follow it.

Their maximum block size is 32mb, but their biggest mining pools limit block size to 2mb. Haha.


Yes, what if Craig Wright is a made-up character played by a con artist with another name?

It was obvious from the start. Did anyone think otherwise?

Yes, the Bitcoin Cash SV community. Or maybe they actually knew from the fraud from the start, but wanted to pump BSV, and trick newbies into buying them. 8)

Craig is not from NZ so he is not the real Fatoshi  :-*

well, he is not the only crazy, he have his team of freaks who seems to follow him wherever he goes:

Calvin Ayre Falsely Claims Court Ruled Craig Wright Invented Bitcoin (https://cointelegraph.com/news/calvin-ayre-falsely-claims-court-ruled-craig-wright-invented-bitcoin)

the most interesting in this case is see how he will pay, where will he get so many bitcoins to pay? this will be a good story to follow and the news channels are surely making money from it

Why didn't he just use Bitcoin signmessage command?Genius in simplicity and all that.

I never in a single day think about this shit you all call Craig who claimed to be satoshi , we all know he is lying and that he will never be the man behide the bitcoin and now he got himself shot from his lies , to pay a whole lots of bitcoin that he never had even if he sold his shit coin "BSV " he will still definitely be in debt and that is what happen to people like him and the follower should open their eyes now and dump the shit coin for real btc.

Me lulz@ 'the' Bitcoin.

Craig S. Wright ALIAS Faketoshi News: 'The Tulip Trust' is proven to be fake

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5182556.msg52384418#msg52384418

With the little help of Plato, we know, that we know nearly nothing

He can also use the forum if he's the real satoshi. If the moderators and staffs know him, even he lost his account he can easily access it due to its personality. I'm still waiting for the pub announcement of the satoshi account here in bitcointalk.org and at first, I knew that Craig Wright was actually a fraud.

His actions are very reckless and obviously desperate for the title. The real SN is chillin' and laughing about this news. ::)

Hahaha. That's very amusing, quoting Plato to justify a fraudster's actions, and to cause the on-lookers to believe that they are to blame for his mistakes.

he did do that but since he is fake and doesn't have the private keys, he tried to fool people into thinking the fake signature he provided was real. to do that he contacted a lot of different personalities including bitcoin core developers to back him up, everyone showed him the middle finger except Gavin lol.

Nope, you just changing the goalpost, I just say that its not easy to find out about the truth.

The signing dose not prove it.

It is just a 'little' part of , an good indication.

Would you ask any PhD or CEO or ... To come up with the prove u little boy might accept the the guy has done PhD or is CEO, ore anything he seems to be? These ppl prove P2P most of the things not,to trolls

Nope. The prove was always in the pudding. Do your own due dilligence is always recommended, PoW

Let me guess.You are a Craig Wright and BSV supporter?

I support a clean simple unchanged stable and open scalable Bitcoin protocol.

It happened that BSV is this and CSW is one of the major speakers for it.

Hope this is not a problem for you

Craig started like a clown and ended like a criminal

Craig Wright is 49 years old and a person who is that much mature should not be saying such childish statements which can only make people laugh.

I have not been following him recently. What happen on the legal action which was taken against him on his claims to be the inventor of bitcoin ?

I didn't move anything. You did, when you quoted Plato. But what he proved is, he's not Satoshi, which might be good for him, if he's Satoshi. Satoshi himself telling everyone not to listen to him. 8)

I knew it, He was just lying but people at least need to prove somehow that he is a real fraudster, but today everything is clear now!
I think more people like him will show up in the future the best thing we can do to these people is to ignore them until they give us real proof on what they are proving themselves for.

Ultimately, Wright's safeguard against a contempt charge depends on his power to confirm that the keys to decryption are beyond the power of his.

Freedman, for the part of his, put forward proof that Wright might be lying about precisely how a number of different keys are needed because of this job, or even that Wright might actually be in possession of them currently.

Wright's additional program is seemingly to deflect custodianship or maybe ownership of several of the bitcoin which would presumably be a part of the holdings of his. He accused Freedman of conflating bitcoin kept inside the Tulip Trust with bitcoin kept inside the Liberty Reserve, a defunct cryptocurrency exchange.

Likewise, Wright later reported that 821,000 bitcoin have been unaccounted for since they had been legally represented by an enterprise called Wright International Investments by way of a convoluted ownership building that Judge Bruce Reinhardt must clarify.

Is it the role of yours that in case you are highly effective at accessing the essential info about these Bitcoin, you'd still not, under the purchase of mine, create that information? that you simply do not need to produce anything having to do with 821,000 Bitcoin since they are not your Bitcoin?, Reinhardt requested.

It was eventually found, at some point at minimum, that Wright was the single shareholder of this particular business.
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This guy has long bothered the crypto community with his claims about Bitcoin. I'm glad that he was officially recognized as a fraudster

His whole fraud, IMHO, got 'real' for FakeSatoshi Craig Wright when the Australian Tax Authorities went after him for Bitcoin.

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/b7hsar/craig_wright_may_be_under_criminal_investigation/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/b7hsar/craig_wright_may_be_under_criminal_investigation/)

I'm unsure, but I think that is on hold, till he can prove he is Satoshi. From all that the rest of this farce has gone on.

Likely, without the Australian Tax Authorities pushing this, he could have claimed he was Satoshi till the cows came home

and it would not matter. But from that, he managed to scam the Bitcoin SV forked investors and then, of course, the Dave

Klieman estate loss in court, etc. Now he is on such a slippery slope I suspect his only recourse in 2020 is to say "gasp"

the "supposed" trustees ran off with the Bitcoin! Who'd a thunk it?

What I can't figure out is WHY the people backing this 'fraud' are not up in arms after the Dave Klieman trial and are

not yanking out of Bitcoin SV and his other dubious activities. I guess it is true, for a real 'sting' to happen, like in the

movie, you have to have enough greed to far overcome any common sense.

Anyway, it all started with the Australian Tax Authorities and likely it will be the start of the end there and then

continue through the rest of this 'farce' until he is fully discredited or in jail for tax fraud among other things.

Brad

This is not news that he is a fraud,  he was just doing it for the money.
As I understand he is shilling BCH and this is why he wanted attention and he made he did reach his goal, he got huge amounts of attention form claiming that he is satoshi if you think of it, then it is a smart marketing move.

Craig Wright insisted on claiming to be Satoshi but it was not a convincing assertion. All the things about Craig Wright is a lie and that is absolutely surprising and funny. I wonder what he is going to do next. :D

Dr Wright looks nothing like Satoshi ;D

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/98/39/ed/9839ed459fc8384fdd17dd0e7b7194fa.jpg

I'm surprised it took a long time for people to finally realise that Craig Wright was a complete fraud.  Someone who claims to be Satoshi and didn't have nothing to help prove that indeed he is Satoshi. HE just wanted to take advantage of the fact that no one knows the identity of Satoshi and trend...

Not really. Most of the users (especially the experienced ones) realized this as soon as he put forward his claims as the real Satoshi. But as with any technological innovation, there can be individuals with multiple opinions. For example, there are two billion people in the world who believe that a virgin gave birth to the son of god. There are similar numbers who believe that the universe is a few thousand years old. It is not very hard to brainwash people, when their intelligence level is very low. Ever heard about David Koresh? His lunatic group (Branch Davidians) had tens of thousands of followers. Similarly, Craig Wright is still worshipped by a few retards. And we should ignore that.

If Vitalik commands u to prove - would u really?

LoL - never


Edit:  Not to this scammy folks ever: https://twitter.com/notgrubles/status/1174408215674728449?s=19

Craig is a fraud and it was clear from the beginning.

What is gonna happen when his month runs out with the court for a settlement with the Klieman estate for 1/2 billion USD?

I mean, what is he planning to do then? Change his gender/identity and run for the hills?

brad

Well, you know what they say. No public key, not legit.

This time all things will get to be paid after the years of making fool in our community and every cryptonians(most specially bitcoiners)now he will suffer the consequences of his action

Let’s see what happens to his claims and also to his beloved forked bitcoins

"Doctor" Craig Wright will probably declare he has lost access to those bitcoins or maybe fake his own death or maybe just disappear. Whatever it is, he won't admit he is fraud. Because admitting is the ultimate humiliation.

I guess that makes sense. Pick the 'trustees' of early adopters who have passed for example. Hal Finney maybe. Again, this all started from him robbing the Kleiman estate and losing in court and before that the Australian Tax Authorities...he comes up with nothing...I wonder if he has made enough from the BSV scam to settle with both.

Would be just like him to cash out BSV and come away smelling like unicorn farts and rainbows :(