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We are launching a Players vs Players gambling site Jackpot game.

We realize, similar sites were launched in past, but this one is a little bit different from the others ones.

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• Here, you can bet 9 differents cryptocurrencies to the same pot :
  
  Player A bets BTC
  Player B bets ETH
  Player C bets Nano
  
  Winner takes all, he will gain BTC + ETH + Nano.

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• PvP games lack a base of players, hence we decided to add Bots at launch. A bot will always be betting first, and after you, if nobody else is playing and if you are alone. You will always have someone to play against as long as we fill balance with cryptos.

If you have any suggestions, or feedback, please post.

Welcome to the gambling industry.
Frankly speaking I cant say something else except "why pvp lottery"? This type of lottery game has so low interest in this crypto gambling industry.
Although you have a new concept where players are able to play with various coins as well as winning it, but the main problem of this kind of game is still hard to solve.
You will need to work so hard to attract people. I have seen many failed lottery game in the last few years here, so you need to learn from other's experience on how to survive with this kind of game.

Hello,
Thank you for your reply.

There are several reasons as to why PvP,

• We don't have enough funds to be able to have a bankroll, even less for a bankroll for several coins. With a PvP game, we can gather funds little by little to improve the site, make more games and have bankrolls.
• We didn't see any PvP game like this one, we want to offer a new gambling experience and not something already seen. The main goal of the site is to offer new kind of games.

Do you mean the lack of users as main problem? if so we added a bot which will play with users, so it won't be a problem.

do you guys have afaucet to test out this new site?

just registered but bit hesitant to deposit before trying it

one of the main bottlenecks of pvp lottery is the number of players. but if you will add bots just to continue the game, it might help. but would it be nice if you have real players?
what are your strategies to attract new players on your platform and to stay afloat in this business? as you have mentioned that you dont have enough funds to be able to have a bankroll. thats why you are having a pvp lottery game.

Bots? that isnt  a good solution or feature to put on.You cant be sure that those bots are siding the house itself and basically it cant be considered as PvP since
you are playing against a bot.
Casual thing that do happen among Lottery sites no matter how attractive it is or what system they are using they do really end up on having no players due to lack of interest thats why we cant see Lottery sites that do succeed even up to now.

Yeah right, bots are not right choice and certainly with bots they have a standard on their bot system, so if bot is always on side of host then gambling will be useless, players will always lose. At least they should be able to attract gamblers to use their platform, any way. There are many ways to get money to grow a business, they can borrow to add interesting features, it's just that they have to look much better.

I myself will try their platforms when they already look much better with new features which are certainly very beneficial for gamblers and not playing with bots.

I'm curious about how the game will work on this "PvP" system. Ideally, people would have the same secrets and have to be reliable that it wasn't rigged in any way. Of course, you could show the "unencrypted version" of the round and let people verify what happened, but it doesn't assure the players that they are not being manipulated.

The game is quite interesting, but I'm still not confident enough to deposit my money in where you would play who has the most staking.

Please state the OLD PvP Games you are talking about. Where you referenced the game, and maybe it will help new players understand the concept, I know I haven't yet.

Welcome on board in a crypto gambling industry, this is quite a unique and interesting game with PvP feature lottery, I never heard this before. I watched the video provided by the OP and it seems really good but what if when the moment you log in only 2 users online? How is the PvP being executed?

Anyway, how many altcoins acceptable to deposit aside from bitcoin?

The video is only tutorial how to make an account, deposit and playing and according to the lottery rules 2 users are enough to starting the game and if i have to counted altcoins which is acceptable to deposit at there approximately 8 altcoins including LTC and Eth however unfortunately this site don't have a faucet to testing the game

Unfortunately, we don't have a faucet.



Yes our goal is  to only have real players, bot will help us to grow the community.
We will try to do giveaway and advertise. Site cost us more than what was planned and took longer than expected.




Bots aren't siding with the house at all, they are like normal players.
You can verify the round hasn't been rigged by calculating round number x total number of ticket.
Before the game starts, you have the round hash number, which let you verify it hasn't been changed.
In addition, bot is the "first" player to bet.


We added bot because as you said, the issue are the lack of players, if alot of people were playing together, they would have fun and a lottery site could work, hence a bot should help to resolve this issue a little bit.


As i said, you can verify the bot is neutral, it will bet 1$, up to you to bet more or to bet lose and earn it.

What kind of features are you thinking of ?


Indeed, they have the secret and they can verify after the game is over, people aren't being manipulated because the bot is the first user to play.

It doesn't matter if you have the most staking, you can still win the pot, when you bet, you are actually buying tickets, the more you bet the more tickets you have. But you can still win with 10% chances.

As for the old PvP games, we are talking about Csgo jackpot games, it was and is still a popular game. You can watch our youtube video or you can watch any csgo jackpot video.

Thank you, We accept ETH, BTC, LTC, Nano, OMG, GRS, Verge, BCHABC, XRP.

The bot will bet if nobody else is betting. So you can always bet even if you are alone on the site.
Bot will bet as long as it has balance.
Right now it has about 150$ in its balance, so it can play about 150 rounds.

Isn't that what you're trying to prevent? Well, how are the players going to know that it's the right amount of fair with regards to the fairness to the players? Will the bot be controlled by the casino, right? If the bot wins, you get all the staked. I think that's one flaw that needs to be worked out if it includes bots.


I know what the game of chances are, of course, if you have more tickets, you have more chances of winning. How could it be 10% if the chances of others are big?

I haven't played that kind of games, but it's okay. I watched your YouTube video that's why I learned how the game works. You don't have any indication on this thread with regards to how it's being played. It's just a link.

Yes the bot is controlled by the casino, if the bot wins, he get all the staked indeed.

Before the game starts you have a round hash, once the game is over, you have it unencrypted. You can then verify the round number. The total number of tickets is random, we can't know it or guess it, it's all about how much people are betting. Since the bot is betting as the first user, we can't "match" our bet in order to win the pot with the round number. ( if you are implying we can control the outcome ).
Hence this is totally fair. If the bot bets 1$ and you bet 1$ after, you will have 50% chances to win, as much as the bot.

You can win with 10% chances because it all depends of the winning ticket, round number x total tickets = winning ticket.
By betting more, you just increase your ticket number, think of it as a lottery. The more tickets you buy, the more chances you have to have the winning ticket.

We will add indication on how to play this game in this thread, thank you for your feedback.




We have more games planned if the site works and let us gather funds.

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the concept of a PVP lottery is not new and there was a wave of scammy websites that lured players with scripted bot plays
to me PVP lotteries have little to no future the way they are due to several reasons:
1. extremely difficult to prove fairness , you cannot be sure that the lucky player who is beating you time and time again is not a house sponsored bot
2. relatively long round waiting times - it is annoying to wait minutes ( in some cases hours or even days ) to play and with PVP sites you are not in control of when the round starts
3. overall low popularity because the vast majority of gamblers are already gambling at cryptocasinos and because of the "scam" trail , reducing the audience and increasing the round waiting timers even more
4. PVP lotteries usually signal low bankroll and I cannot be sure even if I win the jackpot I get paid

and so on
waiting for a fresh , working PVP site concept to appear and no luck so far
if you have time, skim through  the Gambling section pages , starting from page 10 and earlier to see the graveyard of pvp lotteries and you will understand my point

I am aware of the scripted bot plays which lured players to play. Sites weren't actually working, it was all fake in order for people to deposit. I didn't try to play on those, but i guess you probably couldn't even bet.


1. This is not diffcult to prove fairness, to be transparent with you there is only one way for this kind of PvP site ( if it's a "legit" one ) to scam.
Since they give the round hashed before the game, and the unhashed after, only the admins can have access to the unhashed before the game starts, with the round number you can "adjust" your bet, if a player bets  10$, he will have around 1000tickets, with the roundnumber you will be able to determine the winning ticket, hence place the perfect bet to be able to win.
This is the only way for the admin to be able to win, here on bits.game, bot is placing his bet as the first user, so it is impossible for us to trick the user and we don't have any program or command giving us the unhashed version of the round number ( which we could have if we really wanted to ).
Then again, to be able to do this scam, not only you have to place your bet AFTER the user, but you also have to be sure nobody is going to bet right after you.

I believe, when you play on a casino you have to trust it at one point, every casino could scam you if they wanted to.

2. On our site, we have 45 seconds, which allow users to place bets if they want to, once a second user bets, the countdown will start, so you don't have to wait minutes or hours to play.
3. Nowadays,  it's hard for a new casino to become popular.
4. You are misundertanding our game, this is not a standart lottery. Here we don't have a bankroll, let's say you bet 1 ETH and i bet 0.1 BTC, i will have something like 80% chances to win the Pot and you about 20%  because i will have 5 times more tickets than you. After 45 seconds, the game starts and a random ticket will be picked, winner will get 1ETH + 0.1 BTC minus commission.



We are offering a new kind of PvP site, i didn't see any PvP site where you could bet multiple cryptos to the same game. Overtime, we will be able to add more and more cryptos.
Before starting the development of our site, we did take a look around, that's why we decided to add a bot, and to add those multiple cryptos option.

Well, great idea. I had read all the comments above and now I understand how it works the PvP lottery gambling like this. So literarily the pot prize depended on the player who plays the game and places a bet. Is the site have their own wallet for altcoin you won? It is automatically generated the wallet address. For example, I had won 0.1 LTC so it will directly created a wallet? How much the commission supposed to be deducted?

Yes, you have a wallet automatically generated when you win a coin. If you win a coin you will have 0.1LTC in your LTC wallet.
4% is the commission, 1% for referral and 3% for the site.

I heard before PvP gambling platforms but that is not a lottery that is about the card game. This is different among PvP games that I encountered and I want to try but upon looking at the site I cant test my luck or how it works(No Faucet). Just wonder how the bot works on this game and how the house edge being secure on this bot, what if the bot isn't in favor of the house edge. Is this possible?
However, this is a good idea and the owner was always safe from loss. :D Just one more question, are you accepting investment since the bankroll lack of fund.

I found the intro video detailing how to play and use the platform, including depositing and withdrawing quite useful and thorough. I think having the extra video in here makes people understand how your games fit into the current era of crypto gaming. So far, my feedback is all positive and I hope to see future improvements and will keep an eye out for updates/

Adding more games might not be enough to attract players, what their development need is a promotion that will start to attract lots of player. But starting with a lottery game is a bit hard to attract players since lottery game is not that common to play with potential gamblers. PvP lottery game is just the same in any ordinary lottery game in our local area.

There is a youtube video explaining how the game works.
We take 4% as commission ( 3% for the referral program ); The bot is pretty much acting as a player betting 1$, nothing really complicated, we don't have more chances to win than you do with the bot, i explained in previous post that we can't make the bot autowin the game, so you can consider the bot as a player.
Since the bot is betting 1$, if you bet 2$ you will have 75% chances to win, and the bot only 25%.

Thank you for your interest into investing in a bankroll, unfortunately right now we don't have any bankroll system, we just have those 2 PvP games.
We are trying to gather funds with the commission we are taking from the games, once we have enough funds we will be able to make a bankroll system with games needing bankrolls, we have alot of games we would like to make, but we need funds to do so.

If you are interested to have more infos about that, PM me




Thank you for your feedback, we will do updates if we can gather enough funds with those 2 games, we have alot of new games in mind which aren't made yet with a bankroll.
All we need are funds.

Glad to see some innovation in the PvP space, there's too few companies bringing blockchain-powered PvP games to market.

Any plans to add any skill-based games to the platform? I've been looking for a place to sink some time into, getting good and wrecking noobs.

Poker is getting boring :(

Yes, once we get enough funds we will add one kind of this game

At the same time having bots can be a risky solution for the owners of the website, because sometimes these bots have weaknesses and good attentive players can exploit them. After all, so far it's still unclear whether AI can beat human players in poker, and if it can, we're talking about the most sophisticated neural networks, definitely not some cheap simple bots. So it's both unattractive to some players and risky to the website's owners. I support the point that bots should be reconsidered and that, technically, that does not count as PvP gaming.

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I think it is a very good site providing easy game. All we know that lottery game is the most easy and famous game in every gaming site. But here in this site they giving a very clear assurance that their game procedures are fair because before every round start they provide round hash encrypted and at the end they will perform unencrypted version that I think it is enough to be have a secured playing.

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Saw your bump. Decided to stop in and play.
Nobody else is in at the moment, so I put in my bet and just have the browser tab sitting there in case anyone else shows up.

Biggest issue is going to be that until you get more people playing.

That or add doge or some really low value coin that a lot of people have / play with and put in a really low limit for it.

Yeah, $1.00 is not a lot of money but 0.25 is better to start with.

-Dave

It is a well known problem on a pvp based game like this, waiting for other players to play with may take long time especially for a new site with so low traffic and no other attractive offers.
Even if they make a lower bet amount, the problem of lacking players will still there unless there is something attractive that makes people are interested to play.

With lots of existing lottery game online this is what most lottery gambling sites have to face first since the people that are willing to play any lottery gambling sites are rare especially in a PvP type. Most people nowadays are up onto the skill-based gambling challenge where their chances of winning against the house are higher.

Isn't that going to be hard to make that PVP useful? Because a gambling site should have many active players everyday so they can always find another player to gamble with. This PVP should only be  added to the list of your games if you already at least maintained 1M players at your website because if not then I will not see your website profiting with it.

I've been seeing "low number of players" replies... but
PVP games really need a big player-base; dice and casino solo games, not much.

Better follow freebitcoin's example on how to attract more/big players by increasing the number of players
by distributing free but "hard-2-withdraw" balance to passerby.
Just give them enough balance to play but set an impossible to reach (through faucet) minimum withdrawal.

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$1 can buy a complete healthy meal for third-world peeps :)

Pvp based games from the start is already less attraction even until this day you can't find any pvp based games that really succees on their game in crypto gambling. So I would like to see if any similar site that can offer something that can lead players come and enjoy on their site. You do not need 1 mil of players just to get profit. Even 1000 of players will give you enough profit if you can mantain them online everyday

My advice is to focus on advertisement. You have to raise awareness about your website and PvP game.
People don't like to wait too much for the game to start and what they hate most is playing against Bots. If they don't find real players, they will just leave and chances that they will come back again are too small.

I really liked the idea of nc50lc and think it can help you in incentivising players to play more.

That's very true!!! The focus of the project should be on promotions as bringing in the people to even try the platform if not use it religiously is still a positive.

i thought the dev will deploy bots for the moment just to get this started. interested on how these bots will compete with humans.
doge actually is a good addition to the list of the currencies accepted. and btw, the dev should take a look of having a faucet. so for those who want to check out this site without depositing any coin, they can stop and play for a bit. youll never know they might be your regular players later on.

What is the name of the company that operates bits.game?

Hello, thanks for trying the site out.

We will take a look at doge, and other low value coins, we have XVG and XRP which are "low value" ( XVG at least ).

As for the low limit, the issue about this is that we will have to lower the maxbet limit too.
As for getting more players, we do have a bot which will be the first to bet if nobody else is betting.

The issue about games against the house is the lack of bankroll. We could have made such games, new games but we wouldnt have had enough bankroll to run them;
Hence we decided to try PvP games.


Indeed, that could be a solution, but we would have had to lower our min bet which is 0.5$ right now to something like 0.01$



We added bot and we have multi coins, others pvp sites like our, only offer bitcoin. We plan to add ALOT more coins than just those few if we can get enough players.


Bots are already added, we only ran them as first bet players, hence we have just "Joe" playing 1$ every round.

If you can't be hundred percent provably fair then how many percent are you guys now?
By the topic is it a gambling site or just a jackpot lottery game site? I tried the site and it was looking well branded and packaged, I would still take more time in the future

Either I am missing something or Joe went out to lunch and took a while to come back. Was there for close to 15 minutes before someone else bet.
It might have been the bot, I didn't see I had left the browser tab open but was not at the PC when the spin happened.

-Dave

This is what we players concern about, this is pvp based games not some players versus bot games. So what is the point if we just play against bot? This is just as same as playing dice with bot helping us to roll. The adrenaline, the luck, the feeling, everything will be totally different playing against the bot and players. I know itnis hard for the current time to find more players here but at least we can't play against bot

This is a jackpot lottery game which is gambling, it's a round between participants every 1 minutes once there are at least 2 players



Joe is a bit, he should be the first one betting if nobody is playing.

If nobody else is betting its because there is nobody else.

From the feedbacks of the topic, people don't want to wait hours to have someone against who to play and don't want bot because they think the game won't be fair.

The only way for us to make it fair having bots, is for the bot to be the first one betting; hence you can be sure the game is totally fair.

We could had more bots, betting as 2nd, 3rd positions, but people would always have doubts.


Here is how it works :

Before the game starts, you have a "Round Hash", which is encrypted.
Once the game is over, this round Hash is the "Round Number" which is the Round Hash Unencrypted.

When an user bets, the coins are shown as $ value in real time, you are "buying" one  ticket every 0.01$ you are spending on the site.

If user A bets 1$, he will have 66 tickets, and if users B bets 1$ too, he will have 66 tickets too.

The winner is decided by this simple formula : Round number * Total number of tickets.

So if the round number is 0.67293064613234880703579532733423, it will be * 132, hence the user with the ticket "88" would win the round.


We don't have access to the round hash unencrypted before the game starts, but it's not impossible to get it.

The only way for bots to always win the pot, would be for them to know the total number of tickets of the pot and have the unencrypted hash to bet accordingly, so the bot would need to always be the last one to bet, but if someone is betting right after it wouldn't work.


That's why we are having the bot to bet as the first user only, we want to be transparent with everyone.
We can add more bots, if that what users want.


The point to play against bot is to not wait hours to have an oppenent.

We can have up to 50 players playing at once, the adrenaline will still be here, it's all about luck.

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The site is very good, the only thing that does not seem to me is that many times you must compete against the bot, it would be excellent if they could make a promotion where they can invite players to register with a special entrance bonus (Giving some satoshis or doges) , so that they know the platform, since there are many players who do not trust to deposit cryptocurrencies in a new site.

The dev should think fast on how to get more players on this pvp game. PVP is usually known to be a difficult business especially if you are just a new one in the block. Sustaining it is also a struggle to owners. May we know what are the activities in the pipeline that might save this lottery site?

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Every weeks, we will do a giveaway with one new coin.




This week,

We are giving away 0.01 ETH to every user who would like to try out the site.

Eth Withdrawals will be suspended for 7 days.

After 7 days, we will allow withdrawals again, and enable withdrawals of users who played at least 3 games with them to withdraw those ETH.

Post your username !  :)

It's OK to promote cryptocurrency, you platform offers opportunity to bet with 9 different cryptocurrency coin but what if I as a player do not like a particular coin which was used to play and also are the sum of the coin equal

good question . they should have built a small exchange inside thier platform ( like what most gambling sites do ) in that way , you can convert your  own balance or your winnings on the crypto of your choice  .

 there is that players that will not like a certain crypto ( like me i only love btc the most ) second option would be eth but other than that i dont look for other more currencies   .  about thier game , its nice to see a pvp sytem like this but with a twist  

Suspending of withdrawal for 7days is so long maybe you should focus on how to bring more player to your site like good marketing strategy, giving a welcome bonus is a good idea but you need to consider some good features in your site. Also include to add more altcoin for playing in your site.

We are doing a giveaway every weeks, we will add do more marketing of course, such as giveaways on twitter, maybe a signature campaign even thought i don't think those really work.
We are planning to add more altcoins in the future.





We can't build a small exchange, we will need funds to convert the coins, and we want to be sure to be able to payout people.
You can always withdraw the coins and sell them on binance or any other platform.
I understand your concern, but we wanted to add something different than the other PvP games.



The sum of the coins is taking in real time.

Which means, if you bet 1 eth ,it will be 192$ ( taken in real time ).

I understand what you mean, but we took coins which are on known exchanges.

So sitting here round #1621
My bet is in. No bots, no other players.
And yes I am playing with ETH.
Just sitting and waiting.

-Dave

Just creating an account recently I want to ask if theres a bonus for the first time to deposite on your gambling site?
I noticed that theres a small number of player in your site this is a PVP concept you need to bring more player a good marketing strategy is agood to consider in your site.

3 hours later and still nobody.
You really need to either get the bot back or start some sort of campaign to get more people here to play.
Just my view as with all things YMMV.

-Dave

No that's not how provable fair casinos work. There is no "Trusting" involved at all. Math is there to prove everything.


This is a major flaw in your game. Since basically your bots will have access to the "unhashed seed" they will be able to adjust their "nounce"
to a number which will result in them winning, Players joining in later won't affect the server seed or the hash of the round, since it is already known.

A fix to this is a simple one, Once the tickets have been bought/sold out basically when you are starting a new round, Select a server seed for the sold-out round based on Next Bitcoin's Block Hash. This way your game will become provable fair as you will be using a seed based on an event in the future. Neither your bot or your player will be able to predict Bitcoin's Block hash which will make your game provable fair. This is a solution we used in one of my projects to ensure the Lottery is Provable Fair. This method doesn't involve any sort of trust in the casino. It's all maths :)

If you need further clarification, feel free to get in touch with me.

I really like the two-way referral system you guys gave going on. I feel that if the marketing is handled well then you have a great chance for an explosion of users.

Out of curiosity, has the method worked so far?

Yeah, it's been close to 18 hours.
I was in game 1621 that had an End Time of:2019-10-11 19:49:19 according to your site

I then played 1622 just after that. Nobody else yet.

This is a problem. Need the bot, or at least send an email to users saying that there is a game pending.

-Dave