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Please read this post ( please vote also :) ), ...:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5184757.msg52467257#msg52467257 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5184757.msg52467257#msg52467257)

... and this market vision from last year also:
https://i.imgur.com/zPdsHcL.jpg

The main pull behind ETH's rise during the last bull market seems to have been ICOs. I don't think that this hype will repeat however, so I'm not sure about whether ETH will make that much of a comeback.

It also seems to me that people have become more wary about investing in alts, so that's another factor that gives me doubt in alt coins chipping away at BTC's market dominance any time soon.

Should Bitcoin make a major comeback however, I can very well imagine enough newcomers FOMOing into the crypto market via alts (ie. trying to find "the next bitcoin") to make such an investment profitable from a fiat perspective. However I have my doubts that we'll see Bitcoin market dominance drop below 50% during the next hype cycle.

You don't read my link, I think. Here is an enlish info about the first end to end bond on a blockchain (from the Bank Santander)...
https://cointelegraph.com/news/santander-issues-20-million-end-to-end-blockchain-bond-on-ethereum (https://cointelegraph.com/news/santander-issues-20-million-end-to-end-blockchain-bond-on-ethereum)

I couldn't agree more... As IEOs have been the most popular way of funding I think ETH is going to lose more value on the long term.
As a result, Bitcoin is going to rise more on value and increase its dominance.

I still have a doubt with that if ETH would lose more value due to the popularity of IEOs. Let's just wait and see what would be the result when the bull market starts while Bitcoin starts to gain the momentum to push and find its next ATH price.

Oh I did, I just don't think it will make much of a difference.

Many alts (including ETH) have very high profile cooperations, yet it didn't help the alt market much when the bear market struck. Of course there's always the chance that this time it's different^TM, but I personally wouldn't hold my breath.

Remember, that after every bust comes a boom and believe me memories become extremely short and once FOMO kicks in hard, there will be an influx of people coming into invest, retail and hardcore investors alike. I think though the landscape of the next Bull run might be different to the one we had in 2017 which came and crashed so hard and fast that it caught many of us holding bags unawares and many of us didn't get to sell in time. I think digital currencies and tokenization of projects is here to stay and even we have IEOS, many of the new tokens are still ERC20, but we are seeing other big blockchain platforms like EOS and TRON taking part of ETHEREUM's market cap as well as other smaller blockchains, so there is a lot more to choose from now. Bitcoin, of course still remaining King for now as a store of value because too many Whales are invested in it for it to fail in the near future.

Well, there are still some levels of trust in ethereum by some investors and they are very loyal to ethereum, if you see the bull run start now, one of the coins that many people will still consider alongside bitcoin is ethereum first before looking into other coin that are still within the tops in the market.

I do not believe that it is over for ethereum yet, they might be facing their trial time now which bitcoin had once faced too when it was first created, and if ethereum breaks through this time around, it will really make heads for the high and may be the only altcoin that will rise during altcoin season because this is the coin that people will pay attention to as the head of all the coins that we have in the market, the vision I have for ethereum right now is that it may reach $5000 too.

My view of what is happening is a correction to the ongoing rally in BTC/Altcoins pair.
Bitcoin has risen sharply over the past months, making it a better investment opportunity than the rest of the altcoins and thus speculating mainly.
Stabilizing the price above $ 10,000 and the lack of hope for frequent rises will accelerate speculators leaning in altcoin to make some gains in the hope of a falling btc and buying again.

BTW* move this topic into ---> Speculation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=57.0)

Don't get me wrong, Ethereum is definitely one of the more legit cryptos.

My concerns though are (a) whether Ethereum will have another tokenized spring like the ICO summer of 2017 and (b) how likely it is that newcomers are going to head for Ethereum as "the next Bitcoin" rather than some wholly new coin (ie. "the next Ethereum").

My view about the bitcoin dominance is that is going to continue for a longer time. And talking about price, I see that the price is also going to continue appreciating.. It is going to bull from next year.

I think that as well.

However, I think that many alts will outperform bitcoin in terms of gains.

The competition from ethereum and the other popular altcoins on the market  in recent times is not well felt as the fluctuations on ethereum has become really unpredictable, I guess the dominance of bitcoin would continue so far this the trend and the charts continue to look this way in the near future.

There is some good growth with altcoins, particularly the top list of altcoins. Ethereum has grown high while there is no big move with bitcoin. Further ripple has grown more than 10% which is quite a big value to the prevailing market. This time we can expect bitcoin to be stable for some time period while altcoins growth continues to equalize with bitcoin.

I'm betting you're right. Altcoins I'm watching are showing lots of strength against BTC. Ethereum is looking especially strong.

Alt-BTC pairs have probably already completed the earliest phases of a Wyckoff accumulation schematic. Now we're looking for a "sign of strength" to indicate a new uptrend. Something along the lines of what we saw in the first 2 weeks of January in 2017:

https://i.imgur.com/edgMgUb.png

I don't think any alt will get to similar price as bitcoin soon. With time.. who knows.

For now bitcoin is like the 'gold standard of crypto' when it comes to price.

Since a few days ago altcoin has indeed increased, in my opinion it will be a long time, while bitcoin continues to survive prices do not go down badly in stable conditions.

I see some kind of difference..last year from now it almost down and over low compaired to last year..But to see about that graphics its almost the same going down and down. But i am still hoping that it will become much more of good pricing about the next generation of the market.

Many thanks. You think a similarity (in technical viewpoint) as I see (from my fundamental viewpoint) with early 2017...... Here is the diagram:

https://i.imgur.com/SbY5HLf.png

1. accumulation phase, to have i.e. BTC's to "drop" or "invest" later...
2. the "attack". a try to break the dominance of BTC agains other crypto's (three main competitors at THAT time: USD, ETH, XRP ... I don't write for Tether: USDT, because the truth is USD with the FED of the USA)

We have 5 weeks or 7 weeks before ETH breaks the dominance of BTC? We are ahead of an interesting time I think. Be strong. Hold your coins ;D

Please see my marketvision (and my old forecasts also) in tradingview:
https://www.tradingview.com/chart/ETHUSDT/cMvGF1oM-I-think-a-new-Hype-for-ETH-just-starting/ (https://www.tradingview.com/chart/ETHUSDT/cMvGF1oM-I-think-a-new-Hype-for-ETH-just-starting/)

It is not even the direct investors of Ethereum that are making Ethereum grow, the main thing making Ethereum to grow is the ICO that is being run under their chain system , and this real birthed so many coins in that 2017, this was exactly what made the cryptocurrency market to boom in 2017, and then, people still relied so much on the ICO and they relied on may projects that they could get to make some money, until Ethereum watched the system that they have built for years do down the drain in the hands of scammers and bad project developers.

If Ethereum had done like Binance, where they make sure that every project that approached their platform is being verified, the level of scam projects would have reduced and Ethereum still continue to retain its name till date, but they wanted decentralization, and that is what they have got. A dying project.

The other day I watched a real-time animated graph of a time-line comparing BTC and some prominent Alt coins performance and the trend was very clear... when Bitcoin goes up, most Alt coins goes up too and most Alt coins started with a "Bang" during the hype cycle and then it goes down over time, where the Bitcoin price goes up steadily over time.

I cannot find it now, but it was a bit of an eye opener, because you quickly see how Alt coins have a short "hype" cycle and then it dies, compared to the Bitcoin price that just constantly goes higher and higher over time.  8)

Well. I know, I see this trend also since 2011. But early 2017 was different. I know. It was a planned attack, I see clearly already. But the accumulation phase was too small... The attackers loosed the controll then above the market, and then tried to fork bitcoin in some other bitcoins - to break the dominance in other way, but it won' succeeded also.

At this time I detected a much bigger accumulation phase for a such attack. But maybe I fail. Maybe. It has a probability.

The government(s) trying to establish a market control over the crypto market, and it could be implemented through a well marketing (direction to ETH i.e., ETH will be green, and Bitcoin won't...) to BIG SELECTED INVESTORS,
The masses will be influenced through profitability and medias. They will be forget Bitcoin later. The big energy consumption can be the base of the detection of miners. So it is possible then to ban Bitcoin well.

It remains other Alt's (mostly not PoW - what seems to be a good change, but...) and maybe in several places in the world PoW coins, i.e. bitcoin also, I know, but not more possible (or not with a small effort) to win the support the masses. The possibility to break the tendence of destoying our Living Environment through our wrong economical laws will we lost then. Or maybe not. We working hard on our Vortexledger project, I should say.

Bitcoin will still remain at its position. A lot of investors prefer to invest in Bitcoin and that's why it is more dominant in the market than other cryptocurrencies. Lots of market predictions I have seen are always favoring Bitcoin for a long term investment. That's why I have invested so much money in it. When the next bull run comes, most of these altcoins will be nowhere to be seen, as Bitcoin will occupy much of the space and more of these altcoins will only be decreasing in price and nothing more. If there are coins that will increase, it will only be the top altcoins with a huge market cap.

It seems to me like altcoins are losing theirs to Ethereum. Just a few altcoins has been doing good as of recent, like BNB. Ethereum keeps growing in market cap and others keeps on losing. Bitcoin retains the 67.7% market dominance. Ethereum is way below, though I just saw a comment here that within five weeks it will be up and close to BTC. I don't believe such is going to happen. But if it does happen, then it's really going to affect Bitcoin, because a lot of investors will switch.

Ethereum looks very strong, much stronger than other altcoins. I can't find a single chart that compares. Sentiment is lovely too. Everyone keeps saying "Ethereum is worthless cuz no ICO bubble".......clearly most people have sold or shorted it.

My bet is that 2020 will be very bullish for altcoins. People are betting that Ethereum will falter in the next bull market, that something shiny and new will take all the spotlight from it. Looking at the ETH charts though, I doubt it. Flippening talk will come back.

ETH become best investment assets for us to keep hold and take much profit with ETH, now you can buy and invest your money in ETH for long time because ETH still at lower price.

So many people are hoping to see ethereum can get increase again.
Yes, I see that ethereum have a chance to be the best investment assets, but I still prefer bitcoin for the best investment.
Maybe ethereum will be the second investment for me as I see that the moves of the ethereum price will always follow bitcoin.
I don't know if there is a surprise from ethereum that can lift the price to break the higher rate.
And if that happens, many people will sell their ethereum and take the profit.
But I don't know if it will happen in the short time because bitcoin itself still not moving to the higher price, so maybe we will see ethereum will be like that before the price can start to increase.
Maybe in the next year, we will see that surprise because I hear that the Casper will launch in the next year if I am not mistaken.

I agree with you, even IEO is becoming popular now but still it will not guarantee a sure success as there are lot of projects that are failed to collect investment even they use the IEO platform and it is not feasible too as they need to pay the exchanges first to enroll their project currency.

In terms of investment or asset, Ethereum cannot compete with Bitcoin. There is no point insisting on that. Ethereum may come second but it is farther from what competition may actually mean.

Ethereum 2.0 will be coming early this January 2020 and hopefully investors will find the development convincing and promising enough to make them release a significant amount of investment money to stock more ETH in their portfolio.

January 3 is expected to launch only the Phase 0 (Beacon Chain) of the Ethereum 2.0.
The main thing is the introduction of Casper POS.

The Phase 1 date, which includes sharding, has not been announced.
And sharding should greatly increase network performance.

https://docs.ethhub.io/ethereum-roadmap/ethereum-2.0/eth-2.0-phases/

And there are Phase 2 also.


So, 3 January is just first step for Ethereum 2.0.

ETH 2.0 will be coming early January 2020 so maybe after that we can see altcoins starting to recover and bounce back after a disappointing 2018-2019. ICO's are dead now because we have a new emerging business model, IEO.

I don't know about the "Flippening" though, because I'm not seeing Ethereum reaching any heights as compare to before. If ever Ethereum rose in 2020, bitcoin will be out of the reach and I doubt that we can hear discussions about this "Flippening".

Do you think ETH will really grow when Bitcoin plummets?
I don't believe that will happen. When bitcoin drops, I am sure that many investors or traders will dump the alts to avoid losing money.
This is how the market has been doing these days and I still believe it will continue in the coming months.

This release is not set in stone

People were expecting Constantinople earlier this year (in the first days of January, if I'm not mistaken). It just didn't happen. It looks like Ethereum has become too complex to change anything in it without risking to wreak havoc in the whole infrastructure. In other words, it is easier to create a new coin from scratch than to rebuild an existing one (but that's the route the Ethereum developers seem to have taken anyway, or some variety thereof)

You are saying that BTC market cap will go up relative to other coins as from the 2nd picture,right? And the alts will go down.
The first  picture shows BTC dominance going down but alts going up . This doe snot make sense .The BTC dominance should increase if the second picture is true.

The first picture is my forecast today. Bitcoin will loose the dominance in a half year - in my opinion. Maybe ETH get it, or other good alt. I show ETH as a winner on the first picture.

The second picture was my forecast in last year. Just compare it with the real diagram today. The forecast was well done, only a little time later, but the Bitcoin dominance reached the high, what I guessed.

Who are these people? EOS, TRON, ADA fanatics?  :D

Ethereum has the network effect that most probably, no other altcoin will be able to take from it. "superior" smart contract platforms are present already, but most people aren't interested in that, just like how people aren't interested in coins that provide faster and cheaper transactions than Bitcoin.

EOS and TRON are both inflating all sorts of metrics to point out how many users are active on their platforms, but it's super easy to manipulate metrics on these platforms into oblivion with how transaction fees are either zero or just barely above that. Developers and the wider dapp ecosystem have chosen already, and that choice is Ethereum.

That is right. Somewhat, ethereum will still behind bitcoin, and with the other altcoin, ethereum cannot beat bitcoin.
But ethereum will have a chance to increase high after bitcoin or before bitcoin increase and a few days ago proves that ethereum can increase for a small price.
That will also happen to the other coins and no matter if the altcoin price is at a low price, it will increase in the future.
I am curious about what happens after the Ethereum 2.0 launch.
But I won't surprise if the price cannot increase after its launch if the bitcoin price is not rising so high.
But if we compare between ethereum with the other altcoin, then ethereum will have the position and the other altcoin will be difficult to beat the ethereum position.
Maybe we will see a surprise at the cryptocurrency list in the next year, and I think there is a change position in that list.

I thought it would be stable for 1 and a half months and will start pumping.
Bitcoin pump or dump is dependent on a lot of different events. If Bakkt appears this year, it will be a big pump for the market when new capital flows are granted to the market. The second reason is Bitcoin halving, next year there will be a Bitcoin halving event and that is why the price of Bitcoin cannot drop anymore.

If the staking thing happens I am not sure what will happen with the ICO world. At one hand we have IEO getting bigger and binance chain type of things getting bigger whereas ICO getting lower and lower funding, but at the other hand we will have funding making funding itself, think about it if you fund a company 10 million dollars with ethereum, they can literally just keep the money and stake it and use the stake profits to continue with the project. ICO's will have a whole another reason to continue looking for funding in ICO form with ethereum so they can make more money.

At the end of the day, it is about the developers, if they want to switch back to ethereum then this update will make a ton of change in price, if not then there won't be big change.

I'm not sure the flippening would actually happen, but people will start speculating about it again for sure.

It's possible too. The ETH supply is growing a lot faster than the BTC supply, so overtaking BTC's market cap is getting easier and easier in terms of price. Market cap is such a dumb metric......

Until such time bitcoin will be in a comfortable stage where investors will be aggressive in investing again, we will not see a growth for altcoins.
it's been very unpredictable since the correction started, when BTC is up, altcoins could either rise or fall, but most of the time it will drop as its initial reaction but if bitcoin will dump hard, the harder altcoins will dump, and that's the reason why altcoins from its ATH loses a significant value.

Do you hear what you are saying at all, and do you have your facts? I think you are just basing your judgment here on assumption because I have not seen any much growth in the community of Ethereum, it was of recent that someone even complained that Ethereum fee is getting far higher than bitcoin which is the leverage that they have had over Ethereum, but with the introduction of lighting network, people no longer complain of bitcoin transaction that much again, and everyone still prefers to receive their payment with bitcoin.

Since I have been in this market, all my payments and all my received money has all been through bitcoin, which I have never for once thought of Ethereum because even this bitcoin fee that some people are complaining about it not that much to me, you can never compare the payment of fee in our local bank to that of bitcoin.

Could be, but I doubt it.  In fact I believe Eth is undervalued right now and is one of those coins on the chart in the op that's going to survive 10 years from now.  The rest of them I am far from sure about.

Well it doesn't look like that's going on based on the chart...but its possible that these are only temporary shifts in 'dominance'.  I put that word in quotes because I'm not convinced that market cap is a good indicator of market dominance.  A lot of it has to do with adoption and the strength of a coin's community.  I very much doubt that bitcoin is ever going to give up that dominance to another coin, not even Eth which I think is in a solid second place as far as that goes.

It is impossible indeed, but the fact that market cap proportions are changing probably means something.  What it means I couldn't say but its interesting data.  I did notice that the coins aside from Eth aren't gaining much traction in terms of market cap.  That will likely remain the same and some of those coins will probably drop off the map in the long term.

I think, you have truth, if we speaking about an "ideal market". But, as you says - crypto-market don't "ideal" at this time. If somebody knows more about a software-development AND a little about MARKET, then it has a big chance to "predict" the future. He / she visits sites of the project (i.e. github site also!!!), chat with dev's, and KNOWS MORE about a project already, as OTHERS (i.e. "only" traders).

Please see my predictions on tradingview, and I should say - for me was from middle 2011 Bitcoin, Namecoin, Litecoin, ... later Peercoin, ... later NXT, ... always a good chance and a possible investment in the crypto world...:

https://www.tradingview.com/u/ifinta/

And I have sometimes development ideas here also :D :

A critique of Bitcoin (PoW critique) from late 2011 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=54222.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=54222.0)
An idea about a "curtly" blockchain https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755419.msg8518905#msg8518905 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755419.msg8518905#msg8518905)
A possible new crowdsale form (Dev' Clubs) vs. ICO's https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1694015 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1694015)
About "Curtly", but it will be continue in the Project for "Charm" (about "Charm" you find a link in the first post of "Curtly") https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1690476.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1690476.0)

I just have some new steps to the idea of "Curtly" in my mind, not to have a hard cap in time - I will implement it in our Charm project... The new coin will be really "Curtly" :D

Charm (a portion) is already on the "exchange bot" of OByte ledger, you can buy it already :) (( This raw was only the marketing :D for my projects. Please follow, support they... ))

During many ICOs have scam and many investor do not interested with ICOs project investment, ETH looks have bad change price and keep stay at lower, its have big effect after ICO is not success anymore and many investor never joining ICO again, for raising up ETH maybe we need and ICO owner make new ICO could profitable.

investors are looking at more realistic and dubious new directions, we can understand that because there's always a sense of worry
it is difficult to gain full investor confidence, with that kind of thinking only a portion will develop and survive

prognosis is very cool stuff. even if they fail, then oh, come on, it was just a prognosis!
but if it shot to ten, then so much hype and joy  ;D
but the fact  is : what do we have - bitcoin was, still is and would the strongest and most valuable crypto coin . this is a fact. the rest is just a probability.

-  can you see a dinosaur on street?!
-  it's 50/50, man! Maybe you'll see it, maybe you won't !
 ;D

They are indeed looking for realistic  project where they can get benefited especially after the terrible 2018 and 2019 wherein most of the projects were dead and some turned out of be scam as a result they are more cautious now which will make the investment difficult especially  for the ICO and IEO. But if we get couple of fantastic project with a technology of future which  will yield decent amount of profit to investors then it might change the perspective.

It a hard reality that everyone should understand, we saw a good rally in ETH because the ICO market was booming during that time and i made my profit during that time and so does everyone but we know the situation now, there is no successful project in the market and the scammers took full advantage of the ETH token facility to run away with the money and now we hardly see any investment in the altcoin market.

indeed, there are many investors who are not too interested in cryptocurrency because cryptocurrency price movements may not be too good so as to make the market sluggish, hopefully with a good development can encourage investors.

But still, there are many who are holding the crypto and waiting for the improvement in the conditions. People still have faith in the market but hesitate a little to make any further new investments in the bearish market. I think such conditions would prevail till a next bull run hits the market...

but how can be the next bull run start when everyone is afraid to make a move ? you said people are waiting and hodling , the other man said that investors are not interested on cryptos anymore  .  that is what im worrying  .  maybe we need a miracle this time

but also when i realized that this event that we experience right now is not already new because infact last year was way more tragic than today but cryptos manage to make a recovery right ?  . theres always a chance

If you really think small holders like us change the market then you are wrong! Most of the time, prices are shaped by big investors (whales) who generally wait for market conditions like one at present when there is not much movements and then they manipulate market by either buying or selling part of their holdings. So we just have to wait for one such out-break, once it happens, rest of the market will respond and if price increases, it will turn into bull run because of FOMO sentiment!

You're vision look like it has real cover behind it with some deep research so I would expect bitcoin to drop in price again but I'm not so sure about ETH being bullish as I think its time for another altcoins to shine. However, we're gonna enter in the re-accumulation period for cryptocurrencies and another sale is about to happen and some of us waited a long time for price of altcoins to come down this much.

About bitcoin the chart is nothing similar like 2017 as if its like that then it has become to predictable and bitcoin and the markets are never easy to predict and sometimes almost impossible. I do appreciate your charts but only big investors and whales drive the price in this game and lets hope the right coins will pump and bitcoin will not drop so much in price as your prediction tells.

The reality is that ethereum made that money thanks to it is blockchain, it could be thanks to ICO's, it could be thanks to Dapps but eventually ethereum is used for it is blockchain which is a good utility to have for a coin and that is all we can hope for comparing all the other coins just publishes as a new coin and doesn't work for anything else, there are thousands of coins that literally doesn't work for anything at all.

Hence, I would say that ethereum still has a good chance to be a huge coin, it at least works for something and people could do ICO's and Dapps once again when ethereum is mined with staking instead of rigs so people would want more and more ethereum to stash which would help them a whole ton to profit even without doing anything.

If you are an experienced trader and you watch the market all day and look at the charts in detail,
you can have some indications of where the cryptocurrency market is going to move on the future. Of course there are possibilities to end in wrong conclusions but still it is a good way to predict the market.

I actually bought most of my Ethereum largely for the purpose of staking them. I however don't think stakers will end up generating a ton of profit as you say, but just enough to make people sit on their coins and not sell them.

Time will tell how long I will keep holding them, but I like the idea of having a passive income stream. This is what a lot of people are after and therefore invest in a wide variety of scams where they lose their money.

I am not entirely confident in the shift from POW to staking because it's not as easy as people think it is, and there are a lot of other incentives that come into play. I would say that the odds of seeing Ethereum staking are about 50%.

In my opinion, you really did very right, because Ethereum is practically one of the best assets that can bring its owner even five or six times profit (from 190 dollars to 1300 dollars), especially when you consider the maximum prices for Ethereum at the beginning of 2018  of the year.  I am sure that we will again reach last year's indicators after a certain time.

Interesting. I don't know if you meant for the gradient of BTC dominance's decrease to be to scale, but that does seem like a steep decline.

I highly doubt that it'll drop below 50% even in the worst case scenario this time round, because of how many institutional players there are within the market who don't have the risk appetite for cryptos other than BTC which has proven to be the most stable in the long run.

This is the main difference from the last bull market to this time round - the introduction of institutional investors. The reason why BTC dominance was so low was because retail investors are more prone to FOMO, and seeking quick profits, without restraints in terms of risk.

Nice to see your graphical representation, but I don't understand the actual situation of the Altcoin market, people are afraid of investing and trading with Altcoin because of panic, In 2018, I just straight blame on ICO whose were the main responsible to bring this curse towards this platform, without any regulation, any policies and any justification you can even start an ICO and people were ready to invest in order to make more money but at the end they lost their money by investing in the fake and scam project, that had happened a lot during that time, so you can't even show a new Project in your chart, this is the reality of this platform, by the way, I read you provided link and I appreciate your good market prediction.

Investment in any market requires a lot of confidence. Every market is carrying dumps and pumps with it. It is not just crypto market that shows bad times to investors, so are gold and real estate markets. Those investors who take risks of holding their investments instead of withdrawing in tough times are the ones who survive. We shall keep supporting bitcoin.

your points are good and you mainly target offline assets like gold and real estates but at the end of your sentence i was shock that you just inserted bitcoin  .   thats true that every market has a pump and dump but offline assets like the ones you mention are less prone to it while btc and cryptos are the ones that are mainly affected.   my vision this time is if the price continue to fall people will switch for alternative options but will comeback once they see an imrpovement on thier digital assets

I think we should first define institutional investors here

Who are they and whom do they represent? Regardless, institutional investors should be buying, right? So why are the prices falling now when they should be rising? What I mean to say is that there are unlikely any new institutional investors apart from those who have been in crypto since long ago (like the Winklevoss twins and their likes). The bottom line is that Bitcoin is still too speculative to interest big guns big time, and it will remain like that for the times to come (until it gets somewhere beside relentless speculation)

Once the market is highly affected of the sudden dump, they somehow switch their investment to stock market, gold or real estate. It is to avoid their money to put into sleep. Crypto is volatile, making it as an investment is a good decision, but you have to face a higher risk than investing in physical assets.

I trying to explain in an other thread, what are the fundamental backgrounds...

To be simple:

- Bitcoin dominates the crypto market (with Tether USD, but Tether is similar to MtGox at this time, it exists many issues, which take the trust from Tether periodically away, I see...).
- Somebody dominate bitcoin (at this time China, please see the Bitcoin graph (+40% in minutes!) after a speech of China's government about the support of the technology..., maybe later google?)
- Crypto market should rescue the remaining free market against central authorities, the simplest way to choose an another dominant crypto or crypto's...
- Up to the time, USA getting controll over Bitcoin network throug google (or IBM, or ...), it is for the USA (and for the remained true crypto community) clever option to support Ethereum (maybe through a new kind of dollar, or more...) or
- maybe more other crypto's...
- The fact will be then - Bitcoin will loose the dominance in the crypto market, as I described in the first post. I should say - it is a good option for our living environment also. If Ethereum ready with PoS, then Ethereum will be a kind of "Greencoin", as I named my dreams in 2011...

For most people who are into trading from Forex and stock market, crypto is an advantage for them, as they have seen the potential on it, they know that Bitcoin or crypto has more potential to grow as it is moving every now and then, so for this volatility they can easily take advantage of it, this is as per my friend who was once trader at stock market , he said it is more easier to earn here in crypto.

The expected market movement already started,
 but the drama around IOTA and
 the "little" slip in the Eth2.0 release date
seems to be big issues enough to stop some whale to invest in the crypto market.

YES - you should do investments ONLY IN TRUE DECENTRALIZED, WELL DIVERSIFIED, WELL DISTRIBUTED coins, tokens...
YES - you should check serious projects, if they in Beta (as IOTA at this time), and decide to invest or not.
But a not decentralized coin in the TOP 100 of the DLT market? I think, it can be ONLY a big delusion...
Don't forget - IOTA, Tether, Bitfinex, ... has some identical investors, owners, ... in the background.
Many coins in the TOP 100 not TRUE DLT Projects already - I see... I think it is a big risk at this time.

I think, the whole market has at this time ~15% (daily trading volumen - coinmarketcap.com) TRUE AND GREEN DLT projects only.

TRUE AND GREEN DLT projects will maybe grow (+ ~10%) in July with Ethereum 2.0......
https://nulltx.com/developers-are-95-confident-that-ethereum-2-0-will-launch-in-july/ (https://nulltx.com/developers-are-95-confident-that-ethereum-2-0-will-launch-in-july/)

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Absolutely, investing is really a difficult one when you want to earn crypto because you are taking risks, you are putting your money into a project that is not sure if it will become successful in the future but you can do some analyzation for you to secure or to get higher possibility that you can earn in the future by making research to those particular project that you want to invest your money in. Knowledge is really important here because I can say that if you commit a single mistake that can lead to losing your money or wasting your money when the time comes. You can actually do some points for you to consider when you are choosing a particular project you want to invest in, by reading their whitepaper which is very important for a project because you can get information what you need there, whitepaper composes a very important information about the project of what are they gonna do in the future and what is the purpose and the platform of their project. You can also see the roadmap that shows what is their timeline of plans on upcoming months or years. You can also look at the top list of projects that you can invest your money in. Lastly, you can look at the feedbacks of the current investors of that particular project if that is really good to take a risk.

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