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These are all games for the US. Watch the movie "Lord of war" and you 'll understand why the US do these things.

Long story short, the US can't survive in a peaceful world. They need wars and lots of gun sales to keep their economy running healthy.

USA is arming both the Kurds and Turkey. They want them to fight forever.

Everybody knows USA created ISIS as well. People in Europe also see the shit USA trying to pull and how it is going to harm the Europeans as they already suffer from it, that's why Trump is also threatening Europe as well.

This isn't true in the least.

The US has a military to use strategically. I would think that most people know this by now, but for people that dont -- the US uses their military to get favorable trade deals with other nations, to get their companies into other countries, to sway politicians towards American causes, and so on and so forth.
The US has bases in other countries to employ the locals in the area -- it's a way to get local politicans and then people past them on their side. It's a way to get American interests thought of in other nations.
It's a lot of leverage when you can tell a nation you're going to be shutting down the bases in their city that employs a large portion of people in that city and then helps the city survive through food purchases, electricity, etc.

The US plays the game. Just like any other country in the world.

Donald Trump is a man of his words

This is a deliberate move of US to let Turkey occupy the Syrian Kurd area.

This is a deliberate move of US to let Turkey occupy the Syrian Kurd area. As for US, US force cannot stay there indefinitely and Kurd is an insignificant population without a nation and not a useful ally for the US. Letting Turkey march on Kurd would bring Turkey in favor of US while deteriorating the relation between Syria/Russia and Turkey.

What Trump says and what he means is very difficult to understand as he’s withdrawn US forces from Syria which has allowed Turkey to attack Kurdish led forces, and at the same time he has warned Turkey of destroying their economy if they attack. In his tweets he said he’ll take action if he considers the action of Turkey as off limits, now what does off limits exactly mean? no one knows for sure. I have always been an avid supporter of Trump, but I’m not backing him on this decision as Kurdish led forces will suffer horrible deaths because of his decision to withdraw. What are your views on his decision to withdraw US forces, do you’ll think he could have handled the situation better?.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49966216

We don't need to be in tons and tons of foreign wars for no fucking reason. If it were up to me I'd want to leave most of the countries that we have troops stationed in cause they server no purpose and they're a HUGE drain on government funds.

Let Trump leave Syria and let it be. It's not our problem anyway.

War in the middle east is a lot more complicated than you think.  There are plenty of good reasons to stay.  And plenty of good reasons to leave.  

Nobody wants to keep fighting over there forever.  But, Trumps decision to basically give Turkey a green light to slaughter the Kurds could very well help Isis more than anyone, and if they manage to regroup and organize themselves, it will be a problem that we will have to deal with again either over there or over here.

Well here's the decision we have to make as a country.

Either stay in the middle east and continue to fight wars over their.

Or leave.

That's it. It's pretty simple to me. Because we either stay or we dont.

fyi, that's not what Trump is doing.  He's not pulling out of the middle east, or even Syria or evening bringing any troops home.  He's just moving about 100 of them out of North Syria to make way for Turkish attacks.  

Basically Turkey said "we want to attack the Kurds and secure a 20 by 100 mile area in North Syria" and Trump said "ok".

His whole "We've wasted too much money, this war needs to end!" rant is just to distract from what's actually happening.

It is true. I fail to see your counter arguments proving how its false.,,,

I don't think that Trump is willingly moving Trumps to hurt an ally, I don't think that's something any President would do -- nor do I think the military would be on board and I think we'd know about it pretty quickly.

Where did the troops move to if you don't mind me asking if you'd know that-- or are these people coming home? If there people are coming home, I think Trump is right  and this is fair to do. If the troops are going to another base for no reason, then you're (and the people that are shitting on his decision) and others are right.

I do think that we should leave the middle east, but hawks will disagree with me.

How dare he actually deliver on his promise not to have anymore of our precious warriors shipped home in boxes after getting killed on battlefields we can't even pronounce, while refereeing conflicts that began long before America was a thing, in campaigns without any kind of coherent objective?

Conservatives like me still think of ourselves as hawks, but after hard experience we have learned to be hawkish only where America's interests are directly at stake. We're not doves. We're just not going to spill our troops' blood when we do not absolutely have to. The elite may not like our attitude, but then it's generally not the elite that ends up having to bury its sons, daughters, husbands and wives. We do.

I generally like the Kurds. I generally dislike the Turks. But they've been killing each other for a long time and no one has yet offered a sufficient reason why America should stick its troops in the crossfire between them. We hear words like "betrayal" tossed around, often by people whose track record re: honor is (charitably) lacking, but that assumes America had a say in this latest round ramping up. If the Turks are intent on invading, a firm "No" from the Oval office is not going to stop a battalion of Leopard tanks. If you want to stop them, you have to be prepared to stop them. That means war, and the president – along with millions of us – say "No thanks."

I don't really know why Trump is doing what he is doing, but here is what I think.

Let's get out of policing the world. We have enough trouble at home that needs taking care of. If we need wars, let's do it economically, through tariffs. Bring our boys and girls home rather than killing them off in useless battles that never end. If we need to get rid of some (for example) Islamic country, nuke them off the face... and be done with it.

America is strong. We don't have to make America strong again. What we need is to show that America is strong, by setting our foot down, rather than pussyfooting around with other countries and playing war games over them.


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In another salvo of sweets sent about 20 minutes after the last round, Trump insists that "I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I've done before!)" if Erdogan does anything "off limits" - presumably implying that there will be some punishment if Erdogan attacks the Kurds.



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    As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!). They must, with Europe and others, watch over...
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He does not need to prove your assertions are false.

You didn't provide any proof your assertions were true, that's your job to do.

Particularly with wild politically biased assertions.

The PKK is listed as a terrorist organization by several states and organizations, including the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), the United States, the United Kingdom, Japan,[33] and the European Union. However, the United Nations and countries such as Switzerland, China, India, Russia and Egypt, have not designated the PKK as a terrorist organization.

Jake Morphonios explains what’s behind the current conflict between Kurds and Turkey. This is complex and involves numerous strategic zigzags, but stick with Jake on this and you will be rewarded with a clear understanding of what’s going on in Syria and what to expect in the future. –GEG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UFxDlfz6sE
At the 46th second, The president of the United States of America admits (twice), PKK which is a terrorist organisation, worked with the US.

Here is which countries and organisations list PKK as a terrorist organisation:


And I thought the United States never negotiate with the Terrorists. Haha. They weren't negotiating at all bruh, they were in the same bed already! (maybe somebody will try to twist this as a good thing)

The same USA also sells weapons to Turkey.

I bet you'll want proof for that assertion too. I'll make your job easy for this time only, Turkey is a NATO member.

How long are we supposed to hold everyone's hand ?  

Our special forces are there training their units. We teach them and arm them. How much more do they need ?

BEIRUT (Reuters) - The Kurdish-led administration in northern Syria said 785 foreigners affiliated with Islamic State managed to escape a camp where they were being held following Turkish shelling on Sunday.

In an apparent reference to Turkish-backed Syrian rebels, the administration said in a statement that “mercenaries” had attacked the camp where “Daesh elements” - a reference to Islamic State - in turn attacked camp guards and opened the gates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UFxDlfz6sE
At the 46th second, The president of the United States of America admits (twice), PKK which is a terrorist organisation, worked with the US.

Here is which countries and organisations list PKK as a terrorist organisation:


And I thought the United States never negotiate with the Terrorists. Haha. They weren't negotiating at all bruh, they were in the same bed already! (maybe somebody will try to twist this as a good thing)

The same USA also sells weapons to Turkey.

I bet you'll want proof for that assertion too. I'll make your job easy for this time only, Turkey is a NATO member.

As a Turkish person, I have to keep up with the latest news regarding this. So far, it has to be the best proxy war (not counting the Vietnam War though) I've seen so far in history. Latest news tell that US has ordered and I quote from CNN "Trump Orders Remaining U.S. Troops Out of Northern Syria" and then about the same time "US is deconflicting with Russia to keep both sides safe" and this all happens Russia is radio silent according to the news whether it be Turkish, Syrian, Russian, US, Independent etc. I believe there are some undercurrents here between the countries, all of them.

Are you in Turkey now?  Would def be interested in how the US being portrayed in Turkish media and anything else you  think might be interesting that we aren't getting over here.

Trump has to throw a bone to the democrats to calm them down. Not everybody can see this in Turkey but even if that's the case It is really not an elegant move to throw threats randomly to another NATO member.

Trump is lucky though, Erdogan is an opportunist who easily forgets what he said 5 minues ago and pretends like it never happened. Just like their president, the Turkish people also forget quite easily. Today they hate USA, next day who knows...

Trump is doing exactly as he promised in his election campaign, withdrawing from Syria and cleaning the mess Obama, Clinton and the others before them created in the Middle East.

And while doing that, a good businessman he is, asks the Turks, "You want to fight? Fine, but use our weapons. Not fucking Russian!"

I can see that there are many people right here who are against Kurds.
But you probably have short memory and you forget that Kurds where protected Syria from ISIS and they had captured around 1k terrorists in their region (which are now free thanks to Trump and Erdogan of course).