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Title: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Wapfika on October 10, 2019, 10:42:10 AM


Financial Planning Pyramid. Ano ito?

Makikita natin sa pyramid na pinaka basic na dapat meron ang isang tao is wealth protection. Ano ba ang wealth protection? bakit kailangan natin yan? Parang pundasyon ng bahay, hindi naman magiging matibay ang bahay kung nag start ka sa bubong agad kailangan muna ng matibay na pundasyon.

"Hindi ko kailangan ng Life/Health Insurance,Hindi ako magkaka sakit, bata pa ako hindi ko kailangan ng critical illness benefit.Gusto ko sa Stock Market na or kung sa atin ay Cryptocurrencies (considered alternatives investment in the pyramid)" Ilan lang yan sa mga excuse ng karamihang Pinoy.

Scenario
Kung inuna ang wealth accumulation compare kay wealth protection. Nag invest sa crypto pero in time na need ng money na detect namay critical illness, that time the market is not in good condition, max out na ang hmo, kulang nadin ang philhealth. tendency nun withdraw mo yung investment mo kahit hindi pa naggain or worse is at loss pa. Pero kung meron ka sana wealth protection, may maclaclaim ka sa insurance company na kinuhanan mo ng policy dahil may coverage ka due to critical illness or accidents.


Kayo rin ba sumasang-ayon sa financial Planning Pyramid? I already have VUL (Life Insurance with Investment) since I find it important nung bumaba market last year and hindi nako masyado nakakapag trade. Im paying using Coins.ph Pay bills method.

Now, Im just thinking if many crypto traders also invest or consider having Life Insurance? Sa mga meron na kelan kayo kumuha before o after you enter cryptocurrency investing?


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Bttzed03 on October 10, 2019, 11:00:06 AM
Before pa ako na-involve sa crypto, meron na ako nito. It's also an insurance at investment at the same time. If I'm not mistaken, sa stocks nila nilalaro pera.


I appreciate the post kasi malamang may mga unaware pa dito at alam ko may mga estudyante pa. Kung isa kang insurance agent din, maganda kung maging transparent ka.



Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Wapfika on October 10, 2019, 11:05:03 AM
Before pa ako na-involve sa crypto, meron na ako nito. It's also an insurance at investment at the same time. If I'm not mistaken, sa stocks nila nilalaro pera.


I appreciate the post kasi malamang may mga unaware pa dito at alam ko may mga estudyante pa. Kung isa kang insurance agent din, maganda kung maging transparent ka.



No Insurance companies should be mention. Discussion lang if naisip din ng ibang traders ang importance nito. Since I search no thread related pa ang nag-open ng topic and it's nice na meron din aware sa ganitong product or investment.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Bttzed03 on October 10, 2019, 11:14:01 AM
^ I agree na hindi na kailangan mag-mention ng kumpanya kaya hindi ko na din binanggit sa akin but there's nothing wrong kung sabihin mong insurance agent ka. You can educate many here and who knows kung magustuhan nila at magpa-assist sa'yo in the future.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: blockman on October 10, 2019, 11:19:22 AM
Nakita ko yang pyramid na yan mula sa iba't ibang financial advisor ng PRU Life at Sun Life ang hina-highlight nila ay yung proteksyon nga ang pinakamahalaga sa lahat. Kasi kapag nagkasakit ka at wala kang proteksyon, halos lahat ng source of income mo maliban sa mga passive income ay magagalaw. Ang hindi ko lang nagustuhan kasi parang dina-down na agad nila yung mga clients nila na kesyo magkakasakit at walang pang gastos o kaya biglang mamatay. Para sa akin, maganda ang may insurance pero hindi pa rin ako kukuha niyan, depende rin kasi sa agent na kausap mo, meron dyan yung gusto lang commission at kapag dating mo sa claim, wala na biglang lay low na. Yung sa financial education at pagpaparami ng source income maganda yun pero pagdating sa insurance, hindi muna talaga.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: dothebeats on October 10, 2019, 11:23:10 AM
I’m a healthy individual and knowing na I hop from one country to another due to my job, I still got hold of insurance here in the Philippines just in case. Matagal tagal pa ang susunod na 5 years na pamamalagi ko rito bago ako magrelocate ulit at hindi naman sa lahat ng oras ay may pera akong makukuha kahit pa maganda naman ang trabaho ko na. Insurance is applicable hindi lang sa mga sasakyan at precious items. Kung nag-iinvest ang isang tao sa materyal na bagay at hindi naglalaan para sa sarili niya, in the long run eh talo siya sakaling may mangyaring hindi kaaya aya at hindi maganda sa kanya.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Wapfika on October 10, 2019, 11:55:16 AM
... Ang hindi ko lang nagustuhan kasi parang dina-down na agad nila yung mga clients nila na kesyo magkakasakit at walang pang gastos o kaya biglang mamatay. Para sa akin, maganda ang may insurance pero hindi pa rin ako kukuha niyan, depende rin kasi sa agent na kausap mo, meron dyan yung gusto lang commission at kapag dating mo sa claim, wala na biglang lay low na. Yung sa financial education at pagpaparami ng source income maganda yun pero pagdating sa insurance, hindi muna talaga.
There are agents na masyadong pushy na nakakainis na minsan, I suggest if may kamag-anak tayo or kakilala na nag-a agent mas better sa kanila kumuha since having a Financial Advisor is a Lifetime commitment kaya mainam if makakasundo yung agent, just check lang the company credibility and plan na kukunin. Don't close your door to the idea of having one padin po someday since merong mga living benefits din po ang insurance.

I’m a healthy individual and knowing na I hop from one country to another due to my job, I still got hold of insurance here in the Philippines just in case. Matagal tagal pa ang susunod na 5 years na pamamalagi ko rito bago ako magrelocate ulit at hindi naman sa lahat ng oras ay may pera akong makukuha kahit pa maganda naman ang trabaho ko na. Insurance is applicable hindi lang sa mga sasakyan at precious items. Kung nag-iinvest ang isang tao sa materyal na bagay at hindi naglalaan para sa sarili niya, in the long run eh talo siya sakaling may mangyaring hindi kaaya aya at hindi maganda sa kanya.

Kahit na ayaw natin may mang yari we never know when the uncertainties will happen, besides hindi naman kailangan na kumuha ng mahal na premium yung kaya lng ng budget naten to secure ourselves from events na hindi inaasahan, it's like treat to ourselves kasi ibang bagay nga naiinsured natin.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Coin_trader on October 10, 2019, 12:32:06 PM
Kung isa kang insurance agent din, maganda kung maging transparent ka.

Bro wala nmn akong nakikitang reason para banggitin pa nya kung insurance agent sya o hindi since hindi sya nagrerecruit sa post nya. Ang pagkakaintindi ko lng ay nagbibigay lng sya ng pointers sa kahalagahan ng insurance which is good na topic para sa mga crypto user here na kagaya ko na walang insurance dahil focus lng ako sa trading at sa marketing ng project na sinalihan ko. Although being transparent is a good point. Siguro nasanay lng tayo sa mga makukulit na insurance agent sa facebook. Hehehe


No Insurance companies should be mention. Discussion lang if naisip din ng ibang traders ang importance nito. Since I search no thread related pa ang nag-open ng topic and it's nice na meron din aware sa ganitong product or investment.

Honestly speaking insurance agent kb? Kasi wala nmng masama kung agent ka kc atleast alam nmen na madami kang alam sa ganitong bagay.  ;D


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: blockman on October 10, 2019, 12:52:51 PM
... Ang hindi ko lang nagustuhan kasi parang dina-down na agad nila yung mga clients nila na kesyo magkakasakit at walang pang gastos o kaya biglang mamatay. Para sa akin, maganda ang may insurance pero hindi pa rin ako kukuha niyan, depende rin kasi sa agent na kausap mo, meron dyan yung gusto lang commission at kapag dating mo sa claim, wala na biglang lay low na. Yung sa financial education at pagpaparami ng source income maganda yun pero pagdating sa insurance, hindi muna talaga.
There are agents na masyadong pushy na nakakainis na minsan, I suggest if may kamag-anak tayo or kakilala na nag-a agent mas better sa kanila kumuha since having a Financial Advisor is a Lifetime commitment kaya mainam if makakasundo yung agent, just check lang the company credibility and plan na kukunin. Don't close your door to the idea of having one padin po someday since merong mga living benefits din po ang insurance.
Tama, lifetime commitment yan kaya habang nag iisip din ako kung kukuha ba talaga ako. May mga review akong nababasa na tungkol din sa pangit na serbisyo ng ibang agent. Mas maganda yung committed talaga as a financial advisor at mas kilala mo na din, hindi yung kung sino sino lang. Magaling din karamihan magsalita sa kanila at may mga pinagmamalaking mga top advisor of the month, mga ganun pero kapag tinanong ko na ng mga simpleng bagay tungkol sa product nila, namimili din ng customer kahit na interesado naman.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: finzyoj on October 10, 2019, 01:24:49 PM
Wala pa akong insurance pero masubukan nga. Sa totoo lang parang naghihinayang kasi ako sa ganito kasi iniisip ko na ang pinapayaman ko lang ay ang insurance company kaya sa crypto and appliances/gadgets ko na lang iniinvest pera ko. Well, 'di na rin ako pabata. Kailangan ko na rin siguro talaga magkaroon ng insurance and kung papipiliin ako ay okay na yung isang health insurance at St. Peter Life Plan ;D.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Dabs on October 10, 2019, 02:06:34 PM
Life insurance is only required if you have dependents. Kung meron mga tao na kailangan kang buhay kasi ikaw ang tatay o nanay, meron kang anak, ikaw ang meron trabaho at income.

If you are young ... and no one depends on you, then there is no need, unless you take care of someone else like your parents or another family member.

Ako, meron ako trabaho. Meron ako pamilya. Tatlo ang anak ko. Bata pa sila. Kung mamatay ako, paano na sila? Kaya, meron Life insurance.

Ang tip ko sa inyo, tingnan o kunin lang ang tinatawag na "Term Life". Ibig sabihin, fixed ito for 5, 10 or 20 years and pure life insurance sya, wala ibang kasali o kasama na riders or investment. It's purely insurance in case you die, meron makukuha ang pamilya mo.

Kung may bahay ka, dapat meron ka fire extinguisher, para meron kang something in case meron sunog.

The reason term lang, is, kung buhay ka pa in 20 years, by that time, college na o meron na trabaho mga anak mo, hindi na nila kailangan mag depend sayo. O dapat ganun. Pag namatay ka, mabubuhay sila, hindi sila kawawa. You could get a smaller policy or something para covered ang burol at libing mo.

For example, for about 4000 pesos annual premium, covered ka up to 4 million death benefit. Usually they start as low as 500k death benefit.

Basta "Term Life" is the cheapest, kasi walang ibang kasama. Walang investment. Walang premium return. You get what you pay for, you pay cheap. Hindi sayang kung hindi ka namatay at hindi mo nasulit. Gusto mo magka pera pamilya mo? Mamatay ka.

Gusto mo ikaw ang magka pera? Maghanap ka ng 4M. Or MMMM = Matandang Mayaman Madaling Mamatay.

Go for the bigger life insurance companies, the bigger ones like Sunlife, Manulife, BPI-Philamlife. BDO Life, PNB Life, BenLife, Caritas, Generali, Insular Life, Axa Life, Pru Life ... marami pag pipilian. Lahat ng big banks meron insurance, so kunin mo siguro kung saan ka meron account. Tanong mo yung teller o manager ng branch.



Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: dimonstration on October 10, 2019, 03:46:11 PM
Ako meron na din before ang concern ko naman is the Critical Illness Protection dahil wala akong HMO that time and dahil may friend akong Financial Advisor kumuha nadin ako kahit medyo parang nahiya na lang ako di kumuha. VUL plan sya na Madaming benefits or riders ba yun. Hindi ko na naconsider yung sa Term Insurance that time since magchachange ang amount ng binabayadan daw yearly. Good topic anyway OP.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: rosezionjohn on October 10, 2019, 05:17:48 PM
Life insurance is only required if you have dependents.......

........Gusto mo magka pera pamilya mo? Mamatay ka.
Insurance in just a few words  ;)


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: lionheart78 on October 10, 2019, 05:18:18 PM
Before pa ako na-involve sa crypto, meron na ako nito. It's also an insurance at investment at the same time. If I'm not mistaken, sa stocks nila nilalaro pera.


I appreciate the post kasi malamang may mga unaware pa dito at alam ko may mga estudyante pa. Kung isa kang insurance agent din, maganda kung maging transparent ka.



No Insurance companies should be mention. Discussion lang if naisip din ng ibang traders ang importance nito. Since I search no thread related pa ang nag-open ng topic and it's nice na meron din aware sa ganitong product or investment.

I had may insurance plan once I secured my income, mahirap kasi sa insurance plan, long term ang payment and once na magkaproblema ka sa pagbabayad, void ang plan mo.  I am not against it but I think kung kulang ang kinikita sa pamilya, hindi maiisip ang magkaroon ng insurance plan dahil uunahin ang budget sa pamilya.

Another thing, without a steady income hindi mo rin maitutuloy ang pagbabayad nito at maraming or almost lahat  ng insurance plan ay nakatie ang pera depende kung kailan magmature kaya marami mas gingusto nilang magsavings dahil anytime pwede nila magamit sa pangangailangan.  But Dabs gave a good option para dito:
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For example, for about 4000 pesos annual premium, covered ka up to 4 million death benefit. Usually they start as low as 500k death benefit.
 Para lang siguradong may maiiwan sa pamilya in case of something unexpected happen.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Dabs on October 10, 2019, 06:07:54 PM
Kunin mo lang yung plan na can afford mo. Wag ka kumuha ng maraming extra riders, kaya nga Term Life lang dapat, kasi yun ang pinaka pure insurance.

Hindi mo naman kailangan mamatay completely. Loss of one finger may bayad. Loss of one limb, one foot, one hand, may bayad.

Magkasakit ka, actually, baka walang bayad unless meron ka rin health insurance or critical illness something, so depende sa plan mo. Kung meron ka normal job, dapat meron ka something na health plan sa kanila, mag tanong ka sa HR ng company mo.

Kung maliit company mo, hanap ka ng iba, unless gusto mo dyan.

With whatever income you have, you should be able to set aside a little bit for your future, and for insurance purposes. Meron ka savings. Meron ka rin insurance.

At the very least, kung mamatay ka, hindi ibang kapamilya pero ibang tao magbabayad ng libing mo. Patay ka na nga, pabigat ka pa.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: abel1337 on October 10, 2019, 06:17:06 PM
Scenario
Kung inuna ang wealth accumulation compare kay wealth protection. Nag invest sa crypto pero in time na need ng money na detect namay critical illness, that time the market is not in good condition, max out na ang hmo, kulang nadin ang philhealth. tendency nun withdraw mo yung investment mo kahit hindi pa naggain or worse is at loss pa. Pero kung meron ka sana wealth protection, may maclaclaim ka sa insurance company na kinuhanan mo ng policy dahil may coverage ka due to critical illness or accidents.
Almost ganito na experience ko wow, My relative was involve to a car accident and it wasn't my luck kasi halos ng pera ko nasa crypto that time and kinulang ang phil health and ang emergency funds ko for the medication and other expenses. I feel bad that time kasi na withdraw ko agad agad ang crypto investments ko which leave me on a small loss when it comes to value.

Gusto mo ikaw ang magka pera? Maghanap ka ng 4M. Or MMMM = Matandang Mayaman Madaling Mamatay.

LOL , Sobrang tawa ko dito sir Dabs!  ;D didn't expect comedyante ka pala hahaha


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Wapfika on October 11, 2019, 01:16:15 AM
Wow 😀 Thank you mga sir and Sir Dabs sa inputs and suggestions. Yes po I'm a Financial Advisor and I'd been on that scenario dati selling of family properties naman po nung nagkasakit parents ko, so better consider din yung option of having Life Insurance if kaya pa naman po natin maglaan sa budget. Depende naman po ito sa budget at needs natin  lalo na po para sa mga taong mahal natin, if ever unforeseen situations happen hindi sila yung mabibigatan. Wag po mahiyang mgtanung sa Agent or sa companies and wag mahiyang sabihin kung anu lang po yung budget commitment na kaya nyo kunin since it's a long term commitment nga po. okay lang po magpost yung mga Non believer ng Life Insurance or may bad experience sa insurance nila para may ideya pa po tayo since kahit ako ang tagal din before I decide to get one nung hindi pako Agent. Thank you ulit mga  sir for sharing your experiences and ideas.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: meanwords on October 11, 2019, 01:49:43 AM
I think it's a good way para ma remind ang mga pinoy na investors na kumuha ng life insurance baka kung sakaling may mangyari mang masama. Aanhin mo ang pera kung hindi mo naman ito magagamit ng maayos for yourself or your family? Pero of course may limitations lang tayo at hindi mo naman kailangan kumuha kung hindi mo naman kaya.

Just what sir Dabs said, kunin mo lang ang mga insurance na kaya ng budget mo at kung may pamilya ka na. Hindi mo kailangan kumuha ng marami kasi hindi naman lahat ng insurance is magagamit mo.

Actually na enlightened din ako. As of now isa pa lang ang binabayadan ko at satingin ko tama na yun.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: samputin on October 11, 2019, 03:19:53 AM
I don't have an insurance yet dahil wala pa naman akong pamilyang sinusutentuhan. Dependent pa din ako sa parents ko at the moment dahil magbo-board exam pa ako. Pero, hindi habambuhay andyan sila. I mean, the time will come that I will be the one looking after them and my siblings kaya nacoconsider ko na din magkaroon ng life insurance. At my age, dapat na talagang kino-consider ang mga ganitong bagay.

Nadagdagan yung drive ko na kumuha ng insurance dahil sa discussion na ito, op. Thanks for that. But, regarding Dabs' response quoted below:
Go for the bigger life insurance companies, the bigger ones like Sunlife, Manulife, BPI-Philamlife. BDO Life, PNB Life, BenLife, Caritas, Generali, Insular Life, Axa Life, Pru Life ... marami pag pipilian. Lahat ng big banks meron insurance, so kunin mo siguro kung saan ka meron account. Tanong mo yung teller o manager ng branch.
Wala pa kasi akong account sa kahit alin sa nabanggit mo. May mga commercials naman akong napapanuod at halos lahat naman, encouraging. So I'm just wondering kung aling insurance company ang dapat kong piliin? Anong mga bagay ang dapat kong iconsider in choosing an insurance company? Andami kasing choices hehe. So I thought, maybe there's a criteria. ;D


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Bttzed03 on October 11, 2019, 03:44:24 AM
~snip
Nice to see you be transparent on that.

Obviously may iba-ibang pananaw ang mga tao pagdating sa insurance dahil na din siguro sa edad at sa priorities. Maganda yung input ni Sir Dabs and sana magbigay din ng input yung mga estudyante at mga young adults dito na involved sa crypto.



Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Wapfika on October 11, 2019, 04:42:57 AM
Well, 'di na rin ako pabata. Kailangan ko na rin siguro talaga magkaroon ng insurance and kung papipiliin ako ay okay na yung isang health insurance at St. Peter Life Plan ;D.
Yes mas mahal po pag tumatanda kasi prone na sa sakit, why not try Life Insurance before St. Peter para my CI coverage pa, makakalaban pa sa sakit  ;D

.. . Magaling din karamihan magsalita sa kanila at may mga pinagmamalaking mga top advisor of the month, mga ganun pero kapag tinanong ko na ng mga simpleng bagay tungkol sa product nila, namimili din ng customer kahit na interesado naman.
Nakatyamba po siguro yan ng sales, baka interesado na talaga kumuha yung mga client nyan, na research na nila or kamaganak sila nung agent kaya kumuha. Better alam din po natin yung kukunin natin plan pero mas maganda maiiexplain sa atin ng maayos

So I'm just wondering kung aling insurance company ang dapat kong piliin? Anong mga bagay ang dapat kong iconsider in choosing an insurance company? Andami kasing choices hehe. So I thought, maybe there's a criteria. ;D
I suggest po you request quotation from different companies. Pare parehas lang naman ang goal ng mga company in terms of protection. Nag-iiba iba lang sila sa mga additional benefits and costing. Pwede din kayong magrequest sakin  ;D pero mas maganda madami kayong option para may comparison kayo.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Eugenar on October 11, 2019, 04:49:49 AM
Wala pa akong insurance pero masubukan nga. Sa totoo lang parang naghihinayang kasi ako sa ganito kasi iniisip ko na ang pinapayaman ko lang ay ang insurance company kaya sa crypto and appliances/gadgets ko na lang iniinvest pera ko. Well, 'di na rin ako pabata. Kailangan ko na rin siguro talaga magkaroon ng insurance and kung papipiliin ako ay okay na yung isang health insurance at St. Peter Life Plan ;D.

Kung tutuusin ay hindi lang naman para sa iyo kung mag aapplly ka sa insurance company, kung ikaw ay magkakaroon man ng pamilya, maaari din nila itong mapakinabangan sa hinaharap. Ang mahirap lang ay yung buhay kapa pero naghahanda kana mamatay. Mas maiging pagtuunan nalang ang health insurance kesa sa St. Peter Life Plan.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Hippocrypto on October 11, 2019, 01:03:32 PM
Wala pa akong insurance pero masubukan nga. Sa totoo lang parang naghihinayang kasi ako sa ganito kasi iniisip ko na ang pinapayaman ko lang ay ang insurance company kaya sa crypto and appliances/gadgets ko na lang iniinvest pera ko. Well, 'di na rin ako pabata. Kailangan ko na rin siguro talaga magkaroon ng insurance and kung papipiliin ako ay okay na yung isang health insurance at St. Peter Life Plan ;D.

Kung tutuusin ay hindi lang naman para sa iyo kung mag aapplly ka sa insurance company, kung ikaw ay magkakaroon man ng pamilya, maaari din nila itong mapakinabangan sa hinaharap. Ang mahirap lang ay yung buhay kapa pero naghahanda kana mamatay. Mas maiging pagtuunan nalang ang health insurance kesa sa St. Peter Life Plan.

Sabagay may punto ka sa reality tungkol nyan tol, kakalungkot isipin na nagbabayad ka para sa iyong kamatayan. Mukhang hindi yata magandang isipin, at parang ikaw ang lumalapit sa death insurance para ipaayos na lahat para sa takdang panahon mahihimlay ka. Tama ka sa iyong hangarin na dapat talaga health insurance, kung pasasaan man ay magagamit din naman yang pera sa insurance sakaling matigok kana sa mundo, kasi wala naman taong tumatagal dito sa lupa lahat mamamatay din. Ewan ko lang kung ang mga companies nag offer ng ganyang mga insurance papabor ba sa cryptocurrency, who knows baka open sila sa ganitong sistema sa atin.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Dabs on October 11, 2019, 03:01:11 PM
For me, I just got life insurance equivalent to double or more what I had in crypto / bitcoins / altcoins, kasi yung pamilya ko naman, walang alam tungkol dito, hindi marunong pumunta sa mga exchanges o mag send o receive ng coins.

So for example, if you have, or had 100k worth of coins ... then kuha ka ng term life insurance worth maybe 250k or more (i think maganda 500k na lang as minimum) .. ang babayaran mo is about maybe 1000 pesos per YEAR.. annual premium.

Kung more than 5000 pesos yan, baka meron dagdag na riders or extra features na hindi lang term life, o 50 years old ka na, in which case, you should be able to afford more.

My numbers can be wrong, so better to ask at least 3 different life insurance companies for their rates on Term Life, fixed for 10 years. Lahat yan meron Term 10 or Term 20..

Opinion ko lang na magandang middle ground ang 10 year term, kasi 20 is for long term talaga, mas mahal premium nun, pero at least locked in yung amount for 20 years. Yung 10 years kasi, pag nag renew, babago yung premium after 10 years, baka mas mahal then. But that's 10 years away, iniisip ko, siguro naman mas malaki na kinikita mo, na promote ka sa trabaho, o nag HODL ka ng 10 bitcoins at bawat isa sampung milyon piso na, wala ka na pake.

But, kung ma tigok ka bukas, on the day you sign the policy, covered ka, meron makukuha ang beneficiaries mo.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Wexnident on October 11, 2019, 07:28:25 PM


Financial Planning Pyramid. Ano ito?

Makikita natin sa pyramid na pinaka basic na dapat meron ang isang tao is wealth protection. Ano ba ang wealth protection? bakit kailangan natin yan? Parang pundasyon ng bahay, hindi naman magiging matibay ang bahay kung nag start ka sa bubong agad kailangan muna ng matibay na pundasyon.

"Hindi ko kailangan ng Life/Health Insurance,Hindi ako magkaka sakit, bata pa ako hindi ko kailangan ng critical illness benefit.Gusto ko sa Stock Market na or kung sa atin ay Cryptocurrencies (considered alternatives investment in the pyramid)" Ilan lang yan sa mga excuse ng karamihang Pinoy.

Scenario
Kung inuna ang wealth accumulation compare kay wealth protection. Nag invest sa crypto pero in time na need ng money na detect namay critical illness, that time the market is not in good condition, max out na ang hmo, kulang nadin ang philhealth. tendency nun withdraw mo yung investment mo kahit hindi pa naggain or worse is at loss pa. Pero kung meron ka sana wealth protection, may maclaclaim ka sa insurance company na kinuhanan mo ng policy dahil may coverage ka due to critical illness or accidents.


Kayo rin ba sumasang-ayon sa financial Planning Pyramid? I already have VUL (Life Insurance with Investment) since I find it important nung bumaba market last year and hindi nako masyado nakakapag trade. Im paying using Coins.ph Pay bills method.

Now, Im just thinking if many crypto traders also invest or consider having Life Insurance? Sa mga meron na kelan kayo kumuha before o after you enter cryptocurrency investing?
Insurance. Masyado kasing malaki yung tulong niya pag nag retire ka eh or incase na may emergency sa buhay mo. Nasa isip ko na lang sakin din naman mapupunta yan parang pinapatago ko na lang muna. Even though investment din ang bitcoin, its more for profit instead at di ka rin sure na magsstay yung coins mo and at least, in the future, may ensurance ka na may perang makakapunta sayo sa retirement mo, sa pagkamatay mo, etc. Of course magiinvest pa rin ako sa bitcoins hahaha thats natural. I agree with the VUL cause health before wealth since I can't really enjoy the wealth without my health right?


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: crzy on October 11, 2019, 10:24:15 PM
Having a a balance financial status is a must, hinde dapat puro kita lang ang iisipin dapat din tayo makasigurado kung paano naten maproprotektahan ang mga pinaghirapan naten. Insurance is a must for me, and kumuha ako nito even before joining in a world of cryptos, sana marami pa sa atin ang makaisip kumuha ng insurance.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: blockman on October 11, 2019, 11:17:13 PM
.. . Magaling din karamihan magsalita sa kanila at may mga pinagmamalaking mga top advisor of the month, mga ganun pero kapag tinanong ko na ng mga simpleng bagay tungkol sa product nila, namimili din ng customer kahit na interesado naman.
Nakatyamba po siguro yan ng sales, baka interesado na talaga kumuha yung mga client nyan, na research na nila or kamaganak sila nung agent kaya kumuha. Better alam din po natin yung kukunin natin plan pero mas maganda maiiexplain sa atin ng maayos
Ang mahirap lang kasi sa mga nakausap ko, kapag nalaman nila na parang nagca-canvass palang ako hindi na sumasagot. Ayaw na nila mag-reply agad kaya nakakadismaya lang na imbis na gusto ko na din kumuha dati, parang nakakawalang gana. Pero meron din naman akong nakakausap na maayos din naman kaso nga lang hindi ako satisfied sa mga sinasagot nila. Meron bang insurance na isang buuan na yung bayad sa isang taon o di kaya one time payment? may ganun ba? yung mga nakausap ko kasi mga monthly payment yung inooffer para namang mabigat sa side ko kapag ganun kasi dami kong bills.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Edraket31 on October 12, 2019, 12:59:18 AM
.. . Magaling din karamihan magsalita sa kanila at may mga pinagmamalaking mga top advisor of the month, mga ganun pero kapag tinanong ko na ng mga simpleng bagay tungkol sa product nila, namimili din ng customer kahit na interesado naman.
Nakatyamba po siguro yan ng sales, baka interesado na talaga kumuha yung mga client nyan, na research na nila or kamaganak sila nung agent kaya kumuha. Better alam din po natin yung kukunin natin plan pero mas maganda maiiexplain sa atin ng maayos
Ang mahirap lang kasi sa mga nakausap ko, kapag nalaman nila na parang nagca-canvass palang ako hindi na sumasagot. Ayaw na nila mag-reply agad kaya nakakadismaya lang na imbis na gusto ko na din kumuha dati, parang nakakawalang gana. Pero meron din naman akong nakakausap na maayos din naman kaso nga lang hindi ako satisfied sa mga sinasagot nila. Meron bang insurance na isang buuan na yung bayad sa isang taon o di kaya one time payment? may ganun ba? yung mga nakausap ko kasi mga monthly payment yung inooffer para namang mabigat sa side ko kapag ganun kasi dami kong bills.

Yes meron naman po, usually na quarterly payment, tsaka mas want nila un magpapay ka agad, dapat alam natin ang mga risk ng insurance, wag all in sa investment lang dahil baka after 10 years na kukunin mo na yong pera mo ay wala ng matira, kaya better pa din na naeexplain sayo ng agent mo ng maayos, or magtanong tanong, ako kasi medyo conservative type of investor kahit wala masyado tubo basta wag malugi at may makuha ako in the future.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Wapfika on October 12, 2019, 03:22:26 AM
Ewan ko lang kung ang mga companies nag offer ng ganyang mga insurance papabor ba sa cryptocurrency, who knows baka open sila sa ganitong sistema sa atin.
Actually in Singapore there is one na https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.coindesk.com/prudential-starhub-to-launch-blockchain-trade-platform-in-singapore%3famp
Pero sa atin wala pang, nakakaisip po. Pero I'm paying using Coins.ph kaya ok na din.

Meron bang insurance na isang buuan na yung bayad sa isang taon o di kaya one time payment? may ganun ba? yung mga nakausap ko kasi mga monthly payment yung inooffer para namang mabigat sa side ko kapag ganun kasi dami kong bills.
Meron po annually, depende naman po Kung kaya nyo nang Bayadan annually mas maganda para wala ng isipin monthly. Monthly lang kadalasan gamit for proposal para makita pong hindi sya ganun ka mahal since ang iniisip po ng  agent isasama sya sa budgeting na usually monthly tayo Kung magbudget.


Sana marami pa sa atin ang makaisip kumuha ng insurance.
Sana maisipan nila thru this topic 😀


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: finzyoj on October 12, 2019, 08:36:13 AM
Ang mahirap lang ay yung buhay kapa pero naghahanda kana mamatay. Mas maiging pagtuunan nalang ang health insurance kesa sa St. Peter Life Plan.
Sabagay may punto ka sa reality tungkol nyan tol, kakalungkot isipin na nagbabayad ka para sa iyong kamatayan. Mukhang hindi yata magandang isipin, at parang ikaw ang lumalapit sa death insurance para ipaayos na lahat para sa takdang panahon mahihimlay ka.
I don't see anything wrong about it kung practicality ang usapan. Mas maganda na yung habang may trabaho ko pa ay nakakapaghulog ka na , hindi naman sa tawag dalangin na mamamatay tayo pero maganda na kasi yung sigurado. Kung tutuusin nga eh pareho lang, how about on health insurance? Hindi ba parang ang pangit din nung nagbabayad ka na para sa time na maaksidente ka? I hope you get my point :).


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Eugenar on October 12, 2019, 02:51:37 PM
Wala pa akong insurance pero masubukan nga. Sa totoo lang parang naghihinayang kasi ako sa ganito kasi iniisip ko na ang pinapayaman ko lang ay ang insurance company kaya sa crypto and appliances/gadgets ko na lang iniinvest pera ko. Well, 'di na rin ako pabata. Kailangan ko na rin siguro talaga magkaroon ng insurance and kung papipiliin ako ay okay na yung isang health insurance at St. Peter Life Plan ;D.

Kung tutuusin ay hindi lang naman para sa iyo kung mag aapplly ka sa insurance company, kung ikaw ay magkakaroon man ng pamilya, maaari din nila itong mapakinabangan sa hinaharap. Ang mahirap lang ay yung buhay kapa pero naghahanda kana mamatay. Mas maiging pagtuunan nalang ang health insurance kesa sa St. Peter Life Plan.

Sabagay may punto ka sa reality tungkol nyan tol, kakalungkot isipin na nagbabayad ka para sa iyong kamatayan. Mukhang hindi yata magandang isipin, at parang ikaw ang lumalapit sa death insurance para ipaayos na lahat para sa takdang panahon mahihimlay ka. Tama ka sa iyong hangarin na dapat talaga health insurance, kung pasasaan man ay magagamit din naman yang pera sa insurance sakaling matigok kana sa mundo, kasi wala naman taong tumatagal dito sa lupa lahat mamamatay din. Ewan ko lang kung ang mga companies nag offer ng ganyang mga insurance papabor ba sa cryptocurrency, who knows baka open sila sa ganitong sistema sa atin.

Kung death insurance yun, malamang maganda siguro ang epekto kung crypto lalo na kung hindi ito stable coins. Isipin natin na nag invest tayo nung buhay pa tayo, sigurado naman hindi monthly mag lalagay tayo ng pera doon e, hindi buong kita natin ihahanda natin sa ating kamatayan, portion lang nun, at magandang i-utilize yon gamit ang crypto gaya ng bitcoin, kung saan ang value nito ay maaaring tumaas at maging sapat sa ating dapat na bayaran kung tayo man ay pumanaw, maaari ding kung kulang ang ating ininvest ay ihold muna ang payment, once na umabot na ang value ng crypto sa tamang halaga nito, bayad na rin ang ating utang.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Wapfika on October 12, 2019, 03:59:55 PM
Actually hindi naman po pang patay lang ang insurance see picture below. Madame po itong benefits depend Kung lalagyan nyo ng coverage. Hindi naman natin masasabi na hindi tayo magkakasakit kahit kelan or aksidente, atleast if ever mangyari man yun handa tayo. Hindi yung iba pa ang papaproblemahin natin sa na ngyari satin. Consider BTID, Buy Term Invest the Difference like what sir Dabs do. If tingin nyo naman di magkakaproblema sa inyo pamilya nyo at may enough kayong saving for yourself in the future and if maiwan nyo family nyo then do not get one since madami na kayong savings na willing nyo bawasan for critical illness or uncertainties.


Death benefit is just a small portion of the many benefits that a life insurance can give.in fact, it's just the tip of the iceberg. ;)


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Edraket31 on October 12, 2019, 05:36:21 PM
Actually hindi naman po pang patay lang ang insurance see picture below. Madame po itong benefits depend Kung lalagyan nyo ng coverage. Hindi naman natin masasabi na hindi tayo magkakasakit kahit kelan or aksidente, atleast if ever mangyari man yun handa tayo. Hindi yung iba pa ang papaproblemahin natin sa na ngyari satin. Consider BTID, Buy Term Invest the Difference like what sir Dabs do. If tingin nyo naman di magkakaproblema sa inyo pamilya nyo at may enough kayong saving for yourself in the future and if maiwan nyo family nyo then do not get one since madami na kayong savings na willing nyo bawasan for critical illness or uncertainties.


Death benefit is just a small portion of the many benefits that a life insurance can give.in fact, it's just the tip of the iceberg. ;)

Yes po tama ka diyan, namimisinterpret Lang Kasi ng mga tao, akala nila para may makuha pamilya mo pag patay na sila which is very wrong po. Karamihan sa mga nagiinsurance purpose nila ay para pagdating ng panahon, college na anak may mahugot sila, or early retirement or pang business. Ako Kaya ako kumuha ng insurance pang early retirement namin ng along asawa para di kami aasa sa mga anak namin.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: matchi2011 on October 12, 2019, 05:45:11 PM
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Yes po tama ka diyan, namimisinterpret Lang Kasi ng mga tao, akala nila para may makuha pamilya mo pag patay na sila which is very wrong po. Karamihan sa mga nagiinsurance purpose nila ay para pagdating ng panahon, college na anak may mahugot sila, or early retirement or pang business. Ako Kaya ako kumuha ng insurance pang early retirement namin ng along asawa para di kami aasa sa mga anak namin.
Mas maganda kasi na pagdating ng panahon meron ka talagang nakalaan para sayo or kung may pamilya ka, kayo ng asawa mo ay hindi aasa sa mga anak nyo, misconception din kasi na obligasyon ng mga anak ung mga magulang nila, pero sa mga practical na tao lalo na dun sa mga may kakayanan naman, may type  ng insurance para sa retirement plans. Para pagdating ng panahon na matanda na kayo ng asawa mo hindi kayo pabigat sa mga anak nyo, meron kayong sariling pera na maeenjoy nyo galing sa naipon nyo.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: blockman on October 12, 2019, 09:49:39 PM
Meron bang insurance na isang buuan na yung bayad sa isang taon o di kaya one time payment? may ganun ba? yung mga nakausap ko kasi mga monthly payment yung inooffer para namang mabigat sa side ko kapag ganun kasi dami kong bills.
Meron po annually, depende naman po Kung kaya nyo nang Bayadan annually mas maganda para wala ng isipin monthly. Monthly lang kadalasan gamit for proposal para makita pong hindi sya ganun ka mahal since ang iniisip po ng  agent isasama sya sa budgeting na usually monthly tayo Kung magbudget.
Ahh okay, bale pala binreakdown lang ng mga agents yun para hindi maging mukhang mabigat sa mga magiging customer nila.

Actually hindi naman po pang patay lang ang insurance see picture below. Madame po itong benefits depend Kung lalagyan nyo ng coverage. Hindi naman natin masasabi na hindi tayo magkakasakit kahit kelan or aksidente, atleast if ever mangyari man yun handa tayo. Hindi yung iba pa ang papaproblemahin natin sa na ngyari satin. Consider BTID, Buy Term Invest the Difference like what sir Dabs do. If tingin nyo naman di magkakaproblema sa inyo pamilya nyo at may enough kayong saving for yourself in the future and if maiwan nyo family nyo then do not get one since madami na kayong savings na willing nyo bawasan for critical illness or uncertainties.

[ img width=400 height=400]https://i.imgur.com/oGZLzVW.jpg[/img]

Death benefit is just a small portion of the many benefits that a life insurance can give.in fact, it's just the tip of the iceberg. ;)
Tinanong ko yung mother ko tungkol dito at wala din silang insurance at yan yung mindset niya na pangpatay lang yan. At madami na din akong natanong na ganito yung mindset kaya parang nahawa na din ako na ayaw kong pag ipunan yung kamatayan ko. Sa retirement fund, paano magiging retirement fund, vacation fund at educational fund ang isang insurance?


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Wapfika on October 13, 2019, 12:01:36 AM
Tinanong ko yung mother ko tungkol dito at wala din silang insurance at yan yung mindset niya na pangpatay lang yan. At madami na din akong natanong na ganito yung mindset kaya parang nahawa na din ako na ayaw kong pag ipunan yung kamatayan ko. Sa retirement fund, paano magiging retirement fund, vacation fund at educational fund ang isang insurance?
Thru VUL po, may mga insurance na may partner na mga investment company na nagmamanage ng Funds nila thru Investing sa Bonds or Stocks like Eastspring Investments. Yung Fund po dun if nag mature na or medyo malaki na pwede withdrawhin dipende Kung san nyo gagamitin, retirement, education or pang vacation though the amount na makukuha is not guarantee since nakadepende sa market. If marunong naman tayo magtrade then pwede for additional retirement yung makukuha dito since pag tumagal lang mas tumataas value nung fund mo.


Para pagdating ng panahon na matanda na kayo ng asawa mo hindi kayo pabigat sa mga anak nyo, meron kayong sariling pera na maeenjoy nyo galing sa naipon nyo.
This is true, I have talk to many breadwinners na kumuha ng VUL and this is their reason, dahil ayaw na nila na maranasan ng anak nila yung nararanasan nila. Ang anak natin is not our investment, its our responsibility na pagaralin at palakihan sila. Though ang anak ay dapat nagbibigay din but not to the extent na may pamilya na din ang anak tapos hati padin ng bigay or malaki padin ang bigay since paano makakastart mabuild yung family nya eto yung Sandwich Family ang set-up, dapat abot abot nalang siguro or provide ng some foods or need or Kung maluwag naman sa pera yung bagong magasawa then ok maggive sa parents as love but not dahil our parents insist.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: blockman on October 13, 2019, 09:11:30 AM
Tinanong ko yung mother ko tungkol dito at wala din silang insurance at yan yung mindset niya na pangpatay lang yan. At madami na din akong natanong na ganito yung mindset kaya parang nahawa na din ako na ayaw kong pag ipunan yung kamatayan ko. Sa retirement fund, paano magiging retirement fund, vacation fund at educational fund ang isang insurance?
Thru VUL po, may mga insurance na may partner na mga investment company na nagmamanage ng Funds nila thru Investing sa Bonds or Stocks like Eastspring Investments. Yung Fund po dun if nag mature na or medyo malaki na pwede withdrawhin dipende Kung san nyo gagamitin, retirement, education or pang vacation though the amount na makukuha is not guarantee since nakadepende sa market. If marunong naman tayo magtrade then pwede for additional retirement yung makukuha dito since pag tumagal lang mas tumataas value nung fund mo.
Ahhh bale parang savings na din pala yan and at the same time may insurance pa. Mukhang ok pala yang VUL narinig ko na din yan kaso hindi ko lang talaga lubusang maunawaan yung nilalaman niya. Mabuti nalang meron tayo ditong financial advisor tulad mo. Ilang taon yung pinamatagal na pwedeng ipunin sa VUL? may mga charges din ba yan?


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: panganib999 on October 13, 2019, 11:02:19 AM


Financial Planning Pyramid. Ano ito?

Makikita natin sa pyramid na pinaka basic na dapat meron ang isang tao is wealth protection. Ano ba ang wealth protection? bakit kailangan natin yan? Parang pundasyon ng bahay, hindi naman magiging matibay ang bahay kung nag start ka sa bubong agad kailangan muna ng matibay na pundasyon.

"Hindi ko kailangan ng Life/Health Insurance,Hindi ako magkaka sakit, bata pa ako hindi ko kailangan ng critical illness benefit.Gusto ko sa Stock Market na or kung sa atin ay Cryptocurrencies (considered alternatives investment in the pyramid)" Ilan lang yan sa mga excuse ng karamihang Pinoy.

Scenario
Kung inuna ang wealth accumulation compare kay wealth protection. Nag invest sa crypto pero in time na need ng money na detect namay critical illness, that time the market is not in good condition, max out na ang hmo, kulang nadin ang philhealth. tendency nun withdraw mo yung investment mo kahit hindi pa naggain or worse is at loss pa. Pero kung meron ka sana wealth protection, may maclaclaim ka sa insurance company na kinuhanan mo ng policy dahil may coverage ka due to critical illness or accidents.


Kayo rin ba sumasang-ayon sa financial Planning Pyramid? I already have VUL (Life Insurance with Investment) since I find it important nung bumaba market last year and hindi nako masyado nakakapag trade. Im paying using Coins.ph Pay bills method.

Now, Im just thinking if many crypto traders also invest or consider having Life Insurance? Sa mga meron na kelan kayo kumuha before o after you enter cryptocurrency investing?
Lalo na sa panahon sa kasalukuyan, kailangan ang kasiguraduhan natin sa lahat ng bagay lalo na sa pagkakaroon ng Life insurance. Mas makabubuti na habang nasa edad 20 pa lamang ay nag-uumpisa na tayong mag-ipon at inaaral ng mabuti ang kalakaran sa pag-iipon ng sa gayon ay hindi ito masayang. Hindi sapat na ikaw ay may ipon lang. dapat ay alam mo kung paano ito poprotektahan at palalaguin dahil maraming mga bagay na hindi inaasahang mangyayari at ang kahandaan ang isa sa ating magiging sandata.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Wapfika on October 14, 2019, 03:13:49 AM
Ahhh bale parang savings na din pala yan and at the same time may insurance pa. Mukhang ok pala yang VUL narinig ko na din yan kaso hindi ko lang talaga lubusang maunawaan yung nilalaman niya. Mabuti nalang meron tayo ditong financial advisor tulad mo. Ilang taon yung pinamatagal na pwedeng ipunin sa VUL? may mga charges din ba yan?
May mga charges din po like management fee, policy fee etc pero kasama na yun sa plan , if kukuha ngayon, the amount will be pay in entire 10 or 15 years will be the same amount depende sa plan nyo  na depende till 80 or 100 yung coverage pero till 75 lang for other riders. Since di po sya term plans, mas pricey siya since you will pay in limited time pero insured ka till x years. Hindi lang guarantee is yung investment side kung magkano talaga makukuha since nakadepende sya sa market. May ibang insurance na hati ang ginagawa ihuhulog sa insurance half then investment half yung premium, while yung iba naman is may specific years for insurance and the rest is sa investment and charges till x years. Depende po talaga sa plan na kukunin.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Sadlife on October 14, 2019, 04:59:17 AM
^ I agree na hindi na kailangan mag-mention ng kumpanya kaya hindi ko na din binanggit sa akin but there's nothing wrong kung sabihin mong insurance agent ka. You can educate many here and who knows kung magustuhan nila at magpa-assist sa'yo in the future.
yups mentioning our insurance company is a free advertisement unless Agent din tayo at willing mag recruit then that's another different thing

but i totally agree sa topic na to dahil walang kahit sino man sa atin nakakaalam ng kinabukasan ,walang pwede magsabi na mananatili syang matatag at matibay sa lahat ng panahon, at mas lalong walang makakapagsabi na meron syang masasandalan sa mga oras ng pangangailangan dahil lahat tayo ay merong Ups and DOwns so better have securities than nothing at all


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Eclipse26 on October 14, 2019, 11:59:05 AM
Appropriate naman 'tong financial planning pyramid na 'to pero wala pa akong life insurance since student pa lang din naman ako. Pero I know, adults around me already mentioned na once na may income or may trabaho ka na, one of the very first thing na kailangan mo pag ipunan is life insurance. Kadalasan kasi nilang sinasabi, para may paglilibingan ka pag namatay ka 'cause you never know when is the time.

So thru reading sa thread na 'to, it enlightens me... Thanks for the fact na hindi lang pala about death ang life insurance. Now I know. While I'm still young, I would try to consider these factors.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Dabs on October 14, 2019, 02:48:43 PM
All agents say the say thing. Don't worry about it. Maski anong company pa naman. Kasi meron sila rules on how to present. At the same time, their base offerings are all the same, nagkakaiba lang sa ibang features or riders or added value. Lahat sila decades or centuries old companies with millions of policy holders, so they can pay. Lahat sila meron groups of accountants and actuaries and studies on how to profit best while serving your needs.

Totoo, kikita sila, but because of the industry, meron ka peace of mind. Trabaho nila to make you understand why you need it and should get it. Trabaho din nila kumita for their own.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: agustina2 on October 14, 2019, 03:15:31 PM
Appropriate naman 'tong financial planning pyramid na 'to pero wala pa akong life insurance since student pa lang din naman ako. Pero I know, adults around me already mentioned na once na may income or may trabaho ka na, one of the very first thing na kailangan mo pag ipunan is life insurance. Kadalasan kasi nilang sinasabi, para may paglilibingan ka pag namatay ka 'cause you never know when is the time.

So thru reading sa thread na 'to, it enlightens me... Thanks for the fact na hindi lang pala about death ang life insurance. Now I know. While I'm still young, I would try to consider these factors.

Though you're still a student, pwede ka naman na mag-apply for a life insurance policy. You don't need to wait na maka-graduate ka or magka-trabaho bago maka-avail ng policy. May students life insurance plan na tinatawag na pwedeng makatulong hindi lamang sayo kundi pati na rin sa family or parents mo para hindi na sila mahirapan sa pagbayad ng mga school expenses mo.

Mas preferable talaga ang mag-start habang mas bata pa. Kaya seek advise from those adults around you if they know a financial advisor who can educate you further about it.

Like you, sana all youth these days will be more mindful in securing their future as well by understanding the importance of having a life insurance.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Edraket31 on October 15, 2019, 03:32:57 PM
All agents say the say thing. Don't worry about it. Maski anong company pa naman. Kasi meron sila rules on how to present. At the same time, their base offerings are all the same, nagkakaiba lang sa ibang features or riders or added value. Lahat sila decades or centuries old companies with millions of policy holders, so they can pay. Lahat sila meron groups of accountants and actuaries and studies on how to profit best while serving your needs.

Totoo, kikita sila, but because of the industry, meron ka peace of mind. Trabaho nila to make you understand why you need it and should get it. Trabaho din nila kumita for their own.

Tama ka diyan boss, when in fact, we don't need them, it will be up to our hands how we are going to manage our fund well, kasi mga pinoy, basta may pera gastos ng gastos although hindi naman lahat, pero ako I realized, bakit pa ako magiinvest sa insurance, kung kaya ko naman ipunin sa sarili ko , kaya hindi na ako kumuha, I will make sure na lang na I have fund for emergency, and savings for the future.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Wapfika on October 16, 2019, 07:51:33 AM

Tama ka diyan boss, when in fact, we don't need them, it will be up to our hands how we are going to manage our fund well, kasi mga pinoy, basta may pera gastos ng gastos although hindi naman lahat, pero ako I realized, bakit pa ako magiinvest sa insurance, kung kaya ko naman ipunin sa sarili ko , kaya hindi na ako kumuha, I will make sure na lang na I have fund for emergency, and savings for the future.
Importante din po talga ang may emergency fund at least 3 months of monthly expenses, and ayos yan you're able to save for future, some kasi are  living paycheck to paycheck and with history sa family na nawalan ng income or resources due to uncertainties. Panget lang talaga pagkakakilala ng mga sa insurance same with agents if wala pang kakilala nakaclaim or nabenefitan nito, but I still enjoy this as my part time job since I have heard many testified claims. Depende din sa experience and kakayanan mag-ipon ito since mostly small business owners and breadwinners palang nag-aavail sa area namin.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Dabs on October 16, 2019, 03:22:47 PM
Meron ibang mga authors ng iba't ibang finance books, ang recommend nila is up to 6 months worth of monthly expenses as emergency funds. Some paranoid people have taken this a step further and extended it to 1 year, up to 3 years.

Ibig sabihin, meron sila na itabi na cash (or at least nasa savings account) worth 3 years. Kung ano expenses nila in a month, multiplied by 36, nandun sa banko nila.

Yung mga ibang medyo mas successful nga, nabasa ko meron sila worth up to even 5 years and keep adding. That is, after other investments.

Pag ganun ka, at least wala ka na problemahin for awhile. Totoong peace of mind, at kung meron instant large emergency at wala kang insurance coverage, meron ka madudukutan.

I think start saving up to 3 months sa umpisa, then slowly build it up to 6 months worth, over the next several months.... then take it from there kung kaya pa dagdagan.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: ecnalubma on October 16, 2019, 03:47:53 PM
Thank you for sharing this kabayan, Now I know kung ano ang mga dapat ko e secure lalo na at pamilyado narin ako. Maganda talagang pinaplano ang buhay habang medyo bata-bata pa, para pag dumating man ang anong sakuna or pagtanda wala tayong pagsisisihan.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Experia on October 17, 2019, 12:00:22 AM
Appropriate naman 'tong financial planning pyramid na 'to pero wala pa akong life insurance since student pa lang din naman ako. Pero I know, adults around me already mentioned na once na may income or may trabaho ka na, one of the very first thing na kailangan mo pag ipunan is life insurance. Kadalasan kasi nilang sinasabi, para may paglilibingan ka pag namatay ka 'cause you never know when is the time.

So thru reading sa thread na 'to, it enlightens me... Thanks for the fact na hindi lang pala about death ang life insurance. Now I know. While I'm still young, I would try to consider these factors.

Igo mo lang bro, buti nga ngayon may VUL na tayo na tinatawag sa investment plus life insurance na sya sa pagkakaalam ko at madaming mga institution na din ang nag ooffer nyan dati kasi sa pagkakaalam ko walang investment hihintayin mo lang mag mature yung investment mo, ngayon once na kumuha ka ng life insurance naka invest ka na din at isa sa maganda dito is maliit lang monthly mo for 5 years mas maganda kasi habang bata pa magkaroon na ng VUL kasi maliit pa ang huhulugan mo by january kukuha ako 2k per month for 5 years.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: samputin on October 17, 2019, 04:23:58 AM
Thank you for sharing this kabayan, Now I know kung ano ang mga dapat ko e secure lalo na at pamilyado narin ako. Maganda talagang pinaplano ang buhay habang medyo bata-bata pa, para pag dumating man ang anong sakuna or pagtanda wala tayong pagsisisihan.
May point ka dyan, kabayan. Lalo na at hindi naman tayo sigurado sa mangyayari sa future, mabuti yung mayroon tayong paghahanda kahit papano. And one way to do that is a financial plan.

So I'm just wondering kung aling insurance company ang dapat kong piliin? Anong mga bagay ang dapat kong iconsider in choosing an insurance company? Andami kasing choices hehe. So I thought, maybe there's a criteria. ;D
I suggest po you request quotation from different companies. Pare parehas lang naman ang goal ng mga company in terms of protection. Nag-iiba iba lang sila sa mga additional benefits and costing. Pwede din kayong magrequest sakin  ;D pero mas maganda madami kayong option para may comparison kayo.
Kung sakaling magrerequest po ba ako ng quotation, may bayad po ba yun? Maguumpisa na sana akong mag-acquire ng options. Para makapili ng company habang maaga. ;D


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Sadlife on October 17, 2019, 04:59:29 AM
yups mentioning our insurance company is a free advertisement unless Agent din tayo at willing mag recruit then that's another different thing

Agent po ko  ;D , pag may gusto ng product quotation willing naman ako magpresent  ;)
ohh,good to hear kasi may mga tanong din ako in regards sa policy's so i think i found someone to asked .maybe sa PM ko nalang ipapadaan in case na may kailangan akong maintindihan.thanks for presenting
Thank you for sharing this kabayan, Now I know kung ano ang mga dapat ko e secure lalo na at pamilyado narin ako. Maganda talagang pinaplano ang buhay habang medyo bata-bata pa, para pag dumating man ang anong sakuna or pagtanda wala tayong pagsisisihan.
tama kabayan dahil walang nakakasiguro ng kinabukasan,kaya kailangan talaga natin ng ibat ibang uri ng insurance para handa tayo at pamilya natin sa kung ano man ang darating.
pero tingin ko ang importanteng unahin ay Life insurance at HEalth,kasunod nalang ang education plans and other thing.
parang uunahin ko ang health dahil mahirap magkasakit sa panahon natin ngaun


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: blockman on October 17, 2019, 08:24:09 AM
Meron ibang mga authors ng iba't ibang finance books, ang recommend nila is up to 6 months worth of monthly expenses as emergency funds. Some paranoid people have taken this a step further and extended it to 1 year, up to 3 years.

Ibig sabihin, meron sila na itabi na cash (or at least nasa savings account) worth 3 years. Kung ano expenses nila in a month, multiplied by 36, nandun sa banko nila.

Yung mga ibang medyo mas successful nga, nabasa ko meron sila worth up to even 5 years and keep adding. That is, after other investments.

Pag ganun ka, at least wala ka na problemahin for awhile. Totoong peace of mind, at kung meron instant large emergency at wala kang insurance coverage, meron ka madudukutan.

I think start saving up to 3 months sa umpisa, then slowly build it up to 6 months worth, over the next several months.... then take it from there kung kaya pa dagdagan.
Sa finance, ganito ginagawa ko. Hindi man ako kasing yaman nila pero yung disiplina na ginagawa nila ay naa-adopt ko rin. Sa may, insurance wala pa talaga ako pero kapag mga ganito talagang all in ako. Kaya pala yung mga mayayaman wala ng pinoproblema at meron tayong makikita na hindi na masyadong hassle sa mga hanapbuhay nila kasi may mga stable business at kung hindi man stable yun, meron silang pondo at savings na kayang kaya nila asahan sa loob ng maraming buwan hanggang taon. Meron pang mga sigurista, meron ng insurance, meron pang malaking savings na pwedeng kapitan.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Wapfika on October 17, 2019, 11:58:12 AM
Pag ganun ka, at least wala ka na problemahin for awhile. Totoong peace of mind, at kung meron instant large emergency at wala kang insurance coverage, meron ka madudukutan.

I think start saving up to 3 months sa umpisa, then slowly build it up to 6 months worth, over the next several months.... then take it from there kung kaya pa dagdagan.
Tama po lahat ng sinabi nyo Sir Dabs, madami kasi nagyon na laging petsa de peligro kaya kahit one month emergency fund wala pa sila, kaya if they have no life insurance and maliit naman monthly expenses nila kayang kaya na more than 3months ang savings sa bangko as emergency fund then wag gagalawin dapat better dagdag dagdagan pa lalo na kung no other investments or non-believer ng insurance.


Kung sakaling magrerequest po ba ako ng quotation, may bayad po ba yun? Maguumpisa na sana akong mag-acquire ng options. Para makapili ng company habang maaga. ;D
Feel free to PM lang po. Libre lang po proposal. If malayo naman po area nyo tapos gusto nyo na kumuha pwede naman po magpassist sa iba if ever na may ka-agent kame sa area nyo.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: crisanto01 on October 18, 2019, 03:03:24 AM
Meron ibang mga authors ng iba't ibang finance books, ang recommend nila is up to 6 months worth of monthly expenses as emergency funds. Some paranoid people have taken this a step further and extended it to 1 year, up to 3 years.

Ibig sabihin, meron sila na itabi na cash (or at least nasa savings account) worth 3 years. Kung ano expenses nila in a month, multiplied by 36, nandun sa banko nila.

Yung mga ibang medyo mas successful nga, nabasa ko meron sila worth up to even 5 years and keep adding. That is, after other investments.

Pag ganun ka, at least wala ka na problemahin for awhile. Totoong peace of mind, at kung meron instant large emergency at wala kang insurance coverage, meron ka madudukutan.

I think start saving up to 3 months sa umpisa, then slowly build it up to 6 months worth, over the next several months.... then take it from there kung kaya pa dagdagan.
Sa finance, ganito ginagawa ko. Hindi man ako kasing yaman nila pero yung disiplina na ginagawa nila ay naa-adopt ko rin. Sa may, insurance wala pa talaga ako pero kapag mga ganito talagang all in ako. Kaya pala yung mga mayayaman wala ng pinoproblema at meron tayong makikita na hindi na masyadong hassle sa mga hanapbuhay nila kasi may mga stable business at kung hindi man stable yun, meron silang pondo at savings na kayang kaya nila asahan sa loob ng maraming buwan hanggang taon. Meron pang mga sigurista, meron ng insurance, meron pang malaking savings na pwedeng kapitan.

Tama ka po diyan, natuto din talaga ako ayusin yong funds ko, dahil mahirap kapag walang ipon or for emergency fund, kaya hindi talaga ako nagpapawala ng fund sa savings account ko kahit maliit, hindi ko ginagastos dahil nakalaan yon sa emergency fund, then I have another savings account for my disbursements naman, naglalagay ako ng monthly for expenses ko lang, hindi pwedeng sosobra ako dun, nililimit ko na yong expenses ko now, less muna kami kumain sa labas, tuwing may okasyon  lang.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Beparanf on October 18, 2019, 03:40:17 AM
Igo mo lang bro, buti nga ngayon may VUL na tayo na tinatawag sa investment plus life insurance na sya sa pagkakaalam ko at madaming mga institution na din ang nag ooffer nyan dati kasi sa pagkakaalam ko walang investment hihintayin mo lang mag mature yung investment mo, ngayon once na kumuha ka ng life insurance naka invest ka na din at isa sa maganda dito is maliit lang monthly mo for 5 years mas maganda kasi habang bata pa magkaroon na ng VUL kasi maliit pa ang huhulugan mo by january kukuha ako 2k per month for 5 years.
If 2k for 5 years, hanggang ilang taon coverage nun? Mura na yang 2k per month since yung iba 10 to 15 years to pay. May plan din ako this December kaso namamahalan pako. Iconsider ko siguro muna yung Term Insurance na pwede iconvert sa VUL after awhile sabi nung taga insurance company na nakausap ko.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Wapfika on October 18, 2019, 02:59:34 PM

If 2k for 5 years, hanggang ilang taon coverage nun? Mura na yang 2k per month since yung iba 10 to 15 years to pay. May plan din ako this December kaso namamahalan pako. Iconsider ko siguro muna yung Term Insurance na pwede iconvert sa VUL after awhile sabi nung taga insurance company na nakausap ko.
Nakadepende ang amount sa kukunin plan if may kasamang for health, accident, hospitalisation and investment. Depende sa edad ng kukuha, budget at kung ilang taon nila prefer bayadan yung plan. Iba iba po basis and needs to consider. Kaya need din po makipag-usap personally sa agents or consult financial advisors para makapili ng plan at madiscuss ang Financial Need Analysis nyo.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Wapfika on November 21, 2019, 03:26:29 PM
UPDATING....

Sa panahon ng 13th month pay and bonus, saan nyo plano gastusin ang mga ito?

I have clients met for Life Insurance this month and I also introduced Bitcoin to them for some chit chats.
Since they are conservative investors hindi pa sila ganun ka interesado sa BTC. Ang tagal din nila pinag-isipan ang pagkuha ng VUL just influenced by our common friend. Now since were into crypto na, will you consider using your 13 th month for Life Insurance or add nalang sa holding especially now that the market is dropping and it's a good chance to buy at lower price.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: samcrypto on November 21, 2019, 11:53:26 PM
UPDATING....

Sa panahon ng 13th month pay and bonus, saan nyo plano gastusin ang mga ito?

I have clients met for Life Insurance this month and I also introduced Bitcoin to them for some chit chats.
Since they are conservative investors hindi pa sila ganun ka interesado sa BTC. Ang tagal din nila pinag-isipan ang pagkuha ng VUL just influenced by our common friend. Now since were into crypto na, will you consider using your 13 th month for Life Insurance or add nalang sa holding especially now that the market is dropping and it's a good chance to buy at lower price.
Probably will buy more bitcoin, kung titignan mo ang presyo ngayon ni bitcoin sigurado akong maeenganyo ka bumili ng bitcoin. Yes marame talaga sa atin ang takot mag take ng risk pero hinde naman dapat ganun ka nalang forever, minsan need talaga mag take ng risk. If mapupunta lang sa wala ang pinaghirapan mo at ang extra money mo, di ka makakaahon agad dapat needs vs wants.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Vaculin on November 22, 2019, 01:58:08 PM
Personally, wala pa talaga akong insurance.. kahit life insurance wala but I've been planning that since meron naman tayong konteng kita sa crypto.

My priorities now is to invest but since I am not getting younger, I start to think of insurance like the follow.

1. Life Insurance
2. Funeral Insurance.
3. Health Insurance

4. House insurance,

dahil alam mo naman ngayon madalas na ang lindol,, buti sana kung pwede i "estap palagi ni pastor"...just kidding.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Experia on November 22, 2019, 02:24:33 PM
Personally, wala pa talaga akong insurance.. kahit life insurance wala but I've been planning that since meron naman tayong konteng kita sa crypto.

My priorities now is to invest but since I am not getting younger, I start to think of insurance like the follow.

1. Life Insurance
2. Funeral Insurance.
3. Health Insurance

4. House insurance,

dahil alam mo naman ngayon madalas na ang lindol,, buti sana kung pwede i "estap palagi ni pastor"...just kidding.

Balak ko din sana kaso madami pang bayadin na nakaumang, maganda sana hanggat bata pa magkaroon na ng investment di mo din naman kasi masasabi atleast handa ka. Pagkakaalam ko bro merong VUL investment na plus insurance pa 2k per month sa inlife tanong ka na lang sa financial advisor nila.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Dabs on November 22, 2019, 03:58:41 PM
If you really need insurance, for life, the first thing you should consider is term. Sa buhay lang ng tao meron ganito na tawag term.

Kasi sa ibang bagay, halimbawa sa product insurance, o credit insurance, o house insurance, o car insurance, lahat yung equivalent nila sa life ay term insurance din.

Sa opinyon ko, kung gusto mo ng ibang riders, mas sulit kung ikaw na gagawa hiwalay sa term, at term lang kunin mo para sa buhay mo. You can invest the difference in other traditional fiat investments like exchange traded funds or index funds, and get a higher return.

Yung mga insurance products na may kasamang investment, para yun sa mga tamad. :)

I worked for AIG / Philamlife, and my brother in law currently sells insurance, so hindi ko minamaliit ang trabaho nila. It's just the public don't really know what they're buying, or if they do know, then tamad nga sila mag segregate para sa buhay at para sa ibang investment, o gusto lang mag sayang ng pera (o itapon sayo kung ikaw ang ahente, kasi mas malaki commission mo if you sell anything "better" than term life insurance.)


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: clickerz on November 23, 2019, 02:03:09 AM
If you really need insurance, for life, the first thing you should consider is term. Sa buhay lang ng tao meron ganito na tawag term.

Kasi sa ibang bagay, halimbawa sa product insurance, o credit insurance, o house insurance, o car insurance, lahat yung equivalent nila sa life ay term insurance din.

Sa opinyon ko, kung gusto mo ng ibang riders, mas sulit kung ikaw na gagawa hiwalay sa term, at term lang kunin mo para sa buhay mo. You can invest the difference in other traditional fiat investments like exchange traded funds or index funds, and get a higher return.

Yung mga insurance products na may kasamang investment, para yun sa mga tamad. :)

I worked for AIG / Philamlife, and my brother in law currently sells insurance, so hindi ko minamaliit ang trabaho nila. It's just the public don't really know what they're buying, or if they do know, then tamad nga sila mag segregate para sa buhay at para sa ibang investment, o gusto lang mag sayang ng pera (o itapon sayo kung ikaw ang ahente, kasi mas malaki commission mo if you sell anything "better" than term life insurance.)


Tama sir,though importante naman talaga ang insurance especially sa mga breadwinner dahil pag may nangyari dito, kawawa ang pamilya na maiiwan.

Ang insurance pala ay isa ito sa component o parte ito sa Financial planning.

Kinds of insurance

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iR1RHQwNRVA/Ut4V9qO5kgI/AAAAAAAACMc/czdbLJ9phEs/s320/++insurance.jpg


Ang VUL o variable link unit na inoofer para nga sa walang time maghanap ng  mapaglagakan or in short nga sa mga tamad.  ;D @dabs sir no? Pero sumisikat ito ngayong product ah at dami na din nag oofer neto.

Licensed Financial Advisor din ako dati  kaso di na naka renew.  ;)


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Vaculin on November 23, 2019, 09:07:26 AM
Personally, wala pa talaga akong insurance.. kahit life insurance wala but I've been planning that since meron naman tayong konteng kita sa crypto.

My priorities now is to invest but since I am not getting younger, I start to think of insurance like the follow.

1. Life Insurance
2. Funeral Insurance.
3. Health Insurance

4. House insurance,

dahil alam mo naman ngayon madalas na ang lindol,, buti sana kung pwede i "estap palagi ni pastor"...just kidding.

Balak ko din sana kaso madami pang bayadin na nakaumang, maganda sana hanggat bata pa magkaroon na ng investment di mo din naman kasi masasabi atleast handa ka. Pagkakaalam ko bro merong VUL investment na plus insurance pa 2k per month sa inlife tanong ka na lang sa financial advisor nila.

I didn't include the investment plan because I am already investing here in crypto and I have a business just an SME that is also adding my monthly income. There are people who invite me about that but I am not interested, I just want all those I've mentioned.

I suggest you start your own business, if you know something about computer, maybe an internet cafe would do for a start.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: AbuBhakar on November 23, 2019, 01:25:55 PM

If mapupunta lang sa wala ang pinaghirapan mo at ang extra money mo, di ka makakaahon agad dapat needs vs wants.
For me insurance is a need po, I'm hoping na atleast every parents have life insurance.


Thanks for all the feedbacks,
If malaki laki naman ang bonus nyo better get insurance, the more na tumatanda kayo nagmamahal yung premium. Term is a good option dahil mura lang yun na kaya ibawas sa kita sa trading. Kaya wag ng panghinayangan pa.

Think of it...
Which one is better Having insurances and needing them? or need insurances and not having them?  ???
May ibat ibang priorities kasi ang tao, baka hindi kaya ng budget or Madami pang bayarin at gastusin. Ang hirap kasi pag kukuha ka tapos hindi mo na mahuhulugan sayang lang yung ibang Financial Advisor pa ang mahal ng plan na inooffer. Anung company ka kapag naisipan kong kumuha pwede bang magtanong baka next year mailagay na sa budget.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Baby Dragon on November 23, 2019, 02:01:12 PM
Personally, wala pa talaga akong insurance.. kahit life insurance wala but I've been planning that since meron naman tayong konteng kita sa crypto.

My priorities now is to invest but since I am not getting younger, I start to think of insurance like the follow.

1. Life Insurance
2. Funeral Insurance.
3. Health Insurance

4. House insurance,

dahil alam mo naman ngayon madalas na ang lindol,, buti sana kung pwede i "estap palagi ni pastor"...just kidding.
Gaya mo never pa din ako nakapag apply sa isang insurance hindi naman dahil sa hindi siya worth it pero kasi syempre kung yung perang nakukuha mo ay sakto lang, wala ka talagang magagawa. Kung tutuusin maganda yung mga idea na ganyan kasi mas mabubuksan yung isip mo kung ano talaga yung kailangan mong paghandaan sa buhay like gaya nga nung sinabi mo bahay, mas maganda nga naman kasi alam mong safe ka at yung family mo. Mas may kabuluhan 'to kumpara saibang bagay na pinagbubuhusan natin ng pera pero wala naman tayong napapala, gusto ko siyang itry kasi worth it naman siya at beneficial sa'yo maging sa family mo.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Palider on November 23, 2019, 02:28:46 PM
Wala pa akong insurance sa ngayon, pero salamat na rin @op at nagbukas ka ng thread para dito dahil ngayon ko lang nakita ang ganintong thread. Malaki ang maitutulong nitong thread mo para mabuksan ang isipan ng ating mga kababayan sa kahalagahan ng insurance lalo na tayoay mga bata pa at mabuksan natin agad ang ating isipan para dito.

Dahil malaki ang maitutulong nito sa future, sa ngayon kasi ay hindi pa natin naiisip ito, pero ang aksidente ano mang oras ay pwedeng mangyari at dahil mayroon naman tayong kita kahit papaano, ay mag invest na tayo sa ganito. Dahil mas mabuti na handa tayo kisa naman tumanda nalang tayo at walang makuhang benepisyo.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: dimonstration on November 24, 2019, 03:11:57 AM


Think of it...
Which one is better Having insurances and needing them? or need insurances and not having them?  ???

May point ka dito OP. Mas better ng meron pag kailangan kesa Kung kailan kailangan saka hahanapan. I remember na tinanung kame noong naospital magulang ko Kung may insurance daw. May iba pa kong kakilala like my Financial Advisor na 2 na insurance from different insurance companies.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Sadlife on November 24, 2019, 03:23:43 AM
i'll chose wealth accumulation everytime para sa akin nasa diskarte naman yan simpre sa wealth accumulation di puro lahat invest ng invest dapat din merong exit plan or kung kailan ka mag cacash out para ma liquidify yung pera na prinofit mo at magsisilbing pang gagamitan mo for financial needs it doesn't mean na kailangan iwaldas mo lahat pwedi mo naman sya isave. So that's my perspective about wealth accumulation.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Experia on November 24, 2019, 02:22:14 PM
i'll chose wealth accumulation everytime para sa akin nasa diskarte naman yan simpre sa wealth accumulation di puro lahat invest ng invest dapat din merong exit plan or kung kailan ka mag cacash out para ma liquidify yung pera na prinofit mo at magsisilbing pang gagamitan mo for financial needs it doesn't mean na kailangan iwaldas mo lahat pwedi mo naman sya isave. So that's my perspective about wealth accumulation.

Kahit sino naman wealth accumulation ang nanaisin tapos wealth diversification na lang after non sa normal na pinoy kasi since mababa naman ang kinikita ang nangyayare is kinukuha na lang nila ng VUL investment mura ang monthly secure ang future.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: lionheart78 on November 24, 2019, 03:24:05 PM
May ibat ibang priorities kasi ang tao, baka hindi kaya ng budget or Madami pang bayarin at gastusin. Ang hirap kasi pag kukuha ka tapos hindi mo na mahuhulugan sayang lang yung ibang Financial Advisor pa ang mahal ng plan na inooffer. Anung company ka kapag naisipan kong kumuha pwede bang magtanong baka next year mailagay na sa budget.

Marami akong kakilala na ganyan ang nangyari dahil sa tagal ng bayaran, dumadating yung time na hindi nila nababayaran yung monthly terms dahil na rin sa kagipitan sanhi ng mga di inaasahang mga pangyayari.  Pero tulad ng sinabi ni Dabs on the early replies na pwede naman kahit yung annual insurance lang ang kunin para di gaanong mabigat sa bulsa para sure na insured ang tao kung sakaling may di inaasahang pangyayari, makukuha ang pamilya.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: TitanGEL on November 26, 2019, 04:05:46 PM
i'll chose wealth accumulation everytime para sa akin nasa diskarte naman yan simpre sa wealth accumulation di puro lahat invest ng invest dapat din merong exit plan or kung kailan ka mag cacash out para ma liquidify yung pera na prinofit mo at magsisilbing pang gagamitan mo for financial needs it doesn't mean na kailangan iwaldas mo lahat pwedi mo naman sya isave. So that's my perspective about wealth accumulation.
Wealth accumulation is my focus at wala pa akong balak kumuha ng insirance, pero pag dating sa wealth accumulation; hinde ako nag aall in pag dating sa investment dahil kinokonsider ko yung risks kasi alam kong malaking factor yun. Inaalam ko din kung kailan ako mag eexit o yung mas kilala sa tawag na cut loss.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Yatsan on November 26, 2019, 05:08:52 PM

If mapupunta lang sa wala ang pinaghirapan mo at ang extra money mo, di ka makakaahon agad dapat needs vs wants.
For me insurance is a need po, I'm hoping na atleast every parents have life insurance.


Thanks for all the feedbacks,
If malaki laki naman ang bonus nyo better get insurance, the more na tumatanda kayo nagmamahal yung premium. Term is a good option dahil mura lang yun na kaya ibawas sa kita sa trading. Kaya wag ng panghinayangan pa.

Think of it...
Which one is better Having insurances and needing them? or need insurances and not having them?  ???
May ibat ibang priorities kasi ang tao, baka hindi kaya ng budget or Madami pang bayarin at gastusin. Ang hirap kasi pag kukuha ka tapos hindi mo na mahuhulugan sayang lang yung ibang Financial Advisor pa ang mahal ng plan na inooffer. Anung company ka kapag naisipan kong kumuha pwede bang magtanong baka next year mailagay na sa budget.
Exactly, ang insurance kasi dapat hindi siya pinaprioritize lalo na kung hindi naman talaga afford. Kung nasa average ka lang na kumikita ng sapat kada buwan hindi mo talaga kakayanin pa magkaroon ng gantong klaseng plano kasi ang insurance is for insuring you when your path goes wrong, siguro naman wala satin na nagiisip o gustong dumaan tayo sa ganon. At siguro yung iba wala ring tiwala sa mga mabababang insurance company, marami na rin kasing business ang nag sara dahil sa nalulugi sila at di nakakapagbayad ng mga claims dahil na rin sa mataas na competition level sa ibang naglalakihang insurance company. Ako wala pa kong napagkokonsultahan na insurance company sa kadahilanang di ko pa afford at baka masayang lang kapag hindi natuloy tuloy yung bayad.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Experia on November 26, 2019, 05:54:35 PM

If mapupunta lang sa wala ang pinaghirapan mo at ang extra money mo, di ka makakaahon agad dapat needs vs wants.
For me insurance is a need po, I'm hoping na atleast every parents have life insurance.


Thanks for all the feedbacks,
If malaki laki naman ang bonus nyo better get insurance, the more na tumatanda kayo nagmamahal yung premium. Term is a good option dahil mura lang yun na kaya ibawas sa kita sa trading. Kaya wag ng panghinayangan pa.

Think of it...
Which one is better Having insurances and needing them? or need insurances and not having them?  ???
May ibat ibang priorities kasi ang tao, baka hindi kaya ng budget or Madami pang bayarin at gastusin. Ang hirap kasi pag kukuha ka tapos hindi mo na mahuhulugan sayang lang yung ibang Financial Advisor pa ang mahal ng plan na inooffer. Anung company ka kapag naisipan kong kumuha pwede bang magtanong baka next year mailagay na sa budget.
Exactly, ang insurance kasi dapat hindi siya pinaprioritize lalo na kung hindi naman talaga afford. Kung nasa average ka lang na kumikita ng sapat kada buwan hindi mo talaga kakayanin pa magkaroon ng gantong klaseng plano kasi ang insurance is for insuring you when your path goes wrong, siguro naman wala satin na nagiisip o gustong dumaan tayo sa ganon. At siguro yung iba wala ring tiwala sa mga mabababang insurance company, marami na rin kasing business ang nag sara dahil sa nalulugi sila at di nakakapagbayad ng mga claims dahil na rin sa mataas na competition level sa ibang naglalakihang insurance company. Ako wala pa kong napagkokonsultahan na insurance company sa kadahilanang di ko pa afford at baka masayang lang kapag hindi natuloy tuloy yung bayad.

Kaya nga nakita ng mga insurance company na pagsamahin ang insurance at investment. Kasi siguro nakita nila na mahirap ibenta ang insurance lang mismo kaya naisip nila na isama ang investment, personally gusto ko na mag insurance with investment ngayon pero kung insurance lang parang negative ako. Kahit kumikita ka ng hindi kalakihan pwede pa ding pumasok sa investment at insurance 2k lang kasi minimum non monthly sa pagkakaalam ko.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Dabs on November 26, 2019, 06:54:18 PM
Hindi siguro proper financial planning, pero para sa mga tamad mag isip, at naniniwala sa bitcoin (or crypto in general), get term life at least 10 years, saka ka na mag renew o mag dagdag kung lumaki ang kinikita mo.

Then the rest, invest, buy coins, put in cold storage, keep it there. No guarantees but in 10 or 20 years, each 1 BTC is worth $100k to $1m. So makaipon ka at least ng 1 BTC, na hindi mo gagalawin until 20 years later, ok ang retirement mo.

Beyond that, invest in other traditional fiat investments, the better ones are index funds. Meron PSIEX, or Philippine Stock Index Exchange, nandun na lahat ng top 300+ Philippine companies that all make money, including San Miguel, lahat ng banko, Ayala, SM ... etc etc. Hindi ka malulugi unless bumagsak ang ekonomiya ng buong bansa.

Imagine mo, meron ka 1.0 BTC, 20 years from now, and it's worth $1m USD...

Kung coins.ph lang gamit mo, it will take 6 months to withdraw all of it. You don't even need to do that, just trade and withdraw what you need for the next 3 months, every month.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Edraket31 on November 27, 2019, 06:02:18 AM

Kaya nga nakita ng mga insurance company na pagsamahin ang insurance at investment. Kasi siguro nakita nila na mahirap ibenta ang insurance lang mismo kaya naisip nila na isama ang investment, personally gusto ko na mag insurance with investment ngayon pero kung insurance lang parang negative ako. Kahit kumikita ka ng hindi kalakihan pwede pa ding pumasok sa investment at insurance 2k lang kasi minimum non monthly sa pagkakaalam ko.

Pero risky din kapag may investment, siguro self control na lang ng pera, okay ang insurance, pero need mong maging maingat dahil maraming kaso na nahirapan sila mag claim, kaya medyo hirap ako sa pagdecide ngayon, mas gugustuhin ko ba magkaroon ng insurance, or save ko na lang ng sarili ko and I will just invest on my own, para ka kasing nagiipon lang kapag may insurance ka, kapag may kasamang investment naman super risky.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: tambok on December 02, 2019, 05:25:43 PM
Ang hirap talaga kapag usaping pera, minsan gusto mo magtake risk para iinvest or gugustuhin mo nalang mag ipon, Kaya minsan need din umattend ng mga financial planning/investing para matuto sa experts at maging confident tayo. Minsan kinoconsider ko Ang pagkakaroon ng insurance pero as I go along narealize ko na masagandang maginvest na Lang sa mga real estate sure naman silang lumalaki ang value.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Wapfika on December 31, 2019, 06:50:16 AM
Bumping this thread to remind us by year 2020 to have a Financial Freedom, to plan our Finances ahead of time. Having a protection for health and for uncertainties. Hindi man mataas na coverage but atleast enough to help us in times of emergency.
Savings for emergency fund, health and for retirement is a must. We might want to include it in our Goals for 2020.

Happy New Year mga Kabayan.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: matchi2011 on January 01, 2020, 09:55:26 AM
Bumping this thread to remind us by year 2020 to have a Financial Freedom, to plan our Finances ahead of time. Having a protection for health and for uncertainties. Hindi man mataas na coverage but atleast enough to help us in times of emergency.
Savings for emergency fund, health and for retirement is a must. We might want to include it in our Goals for 2020.

Happy New Year mga Kabayan.
Target ko this year magdagdag ng isa pang plan ung para naman sa wife ko since nagstart na ko ng para sa akin then kung magkakapera pa ulit para naman sa mga anak ko. Mas maganda yung may plano ka at meron kang goal para pagsikapan mo talagang ma achieved. It's best to do plans na para sa ikabubuti ng pamilya mo.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Fappanu on January 01, 2020, 11:24:22 AM
Bumping this thread to remind us by year 2020 to have a Financial Freedom, to plan our Finances ahead of time. Having a protection for health and for uncertainties. Hindi man mataas na coverage but atleast enough to help us in times of emergency.
Savings for emergency fund, health and for retirement is a must. We might want to include it in our Goals for 2020.

Happy New Year mga Kabayan.
Target ko this year magdagdag ng isa pang plan ung para naman sa wife ko since nagstart na ko ng para sa akin then kung magkakapera pa ulit para naman sa mga anak ko. Mas maganda yung may plano ka at meron kang goal para pagsikapan mo talagang ma achieved. It's best to do plans na para sa ikabubuti ng pamilya mo.
Nice para sayo kabayan,  At mayroong kanang plan.  Ako kasi wala pa e pero siguro kung kumita ako ngayon sa crypto currency e baka mag plano na rin ako kumuha lalo na ngayon may asawa na ako at habang wala pang anak.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Casdinyard on January 06, 2020, 08:34:04 AM
July 2018, I got a plan in Manulife and after some months kumuha ulet ako for my wife but unfortunately last year di na ko nakapaghulog, all because humina yung crypto. Dun kasi ko kumukuha ng panghulog and yung basic needs namen is from my salary.

Sobrang nakakahinayang dahil forfeited na yung hulog namen not unless babayaran ko yung mga months na hindi nahulugan. When I got the plans, I really feel like I'm so insured na kahit if anytime na may mangyari samen may makukuha yung mga anak namen. Kaya if you guys have extra budget, kuha na kayo. Iba na rin yung naka insured. Maybe kapag okay na ulet kita ko sa crypto and nadagdagan yung mga projects ko then definitely I'll purchase again.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Wapfika on January 06, 2020, 02:50:07 PM
July 2018, I got a plan in Manulife and after some months kumuha ulet ako for my wife but unfortunately last year di na ko nakapaghulog, all because humina yung crypto. Dun kasi ko kumukuha ng panghulog and yung basic needs namen is from my salary.

Sobrang nakakahinayang dahil forfeited na yung hulog namen not unless babayaran ko yung mga months na hindi nahulugan. When I got the plans, I really feel like I'm so insured na kahit if anytime na may mangyari samen may makukuha yung mga anak namen. Kaya if you guys have extra budget, kuha na kayo. Iba na rin yung naka insured. Maybe kapag okay na ulet kita ko sa crypto and nadagdagan yung mga projects ko then definitely I'll purchase again.
Yes, you can do reinstatement. You can choose if limited plan yung plan mo. You can choose whether to recontinue or babayadan mo yung mga months na dika nakapagbayad. Applicable sya up to 2 years depende sa plan mo, para same amount nung age na mgpainsured ka,para dikana kukuha ng bago. Hopefully bago mag2 years lapse yung plan mo macontinue muna, sayang kasi mas mamahal sya habang tumatanda. Hoping na gumanda nadin market. Since yung 1st plan ko due na. Yung 2nd plan ko lang na babayadan ko.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Dabs on January 06, 2020, 05:03:24 PM
If all you got was term life, you can always get a new plan. Forfeit nga yung hindi mo na hulugan, pero ok lang just get a new term life plan. If you got something else that was supposed to have some sort of investment or rider, well, yun, wala na. Kaya term life talaga pinaka simplest, at pinaka affordable.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Casdinyard on January 07, 2020, 01:20:50 AM
If all you got was term life, you can always get a new plan. Forfeit nga yung hindi mo na hulugan, pero ok lang just get a new term life plan. If you got something else that was supposed to have some sort of investment or rider, well, yun, wala na. Kaya term life talaga pinaka simplest, at pinaka affordable.
What do you mean in Term Life? Just heard it.

Hoping na gumanda nadin market.
Yeah sana talaga, ang plan ko talaga if ever makakuha ng malaking halaga at after ma reinstate ay bayaran ko na ng annually para less hassle. Nagbabayad din kasi kami ng car plus insurance nun, ang dami talagang bayarin.

Sana talaga mabuhay yung mga turned shitcoins ko. Kailangan ng himala. lol!


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: matchi2011 on January 07, 2020, 10:23:59 AM
Bumping this thread to remind us by year 2020 to have a Financial Freedom, to plan our Finances ahead of time. Having a protection for health and for uncertainties. Hindi man mataas na coverage but atleast enough to help us in times of emergency.
Savings for emergency fund, health and for retirement is a must. We might want to include it in our Goals for 2020.

Happy New Year mga Kabayan.
Target ko this year magdagdag ng isa pang plan ung para naman sa wife ko since nagstart na ko ng para sa akin then kung magkakapera pa ulit para naman sa mga anak ko. Mas maganda yung may plano ka at meron kang goal para pagsikapan mo talagang ma achieved. It's best to do plans na para sa ikabubuti ng pamilya mo.
Nice para sayo kabayan,  At mayroong kanang plan.  Ako kasi wala pa e pero siguro kung kumita ako ngayon sa crypto currency e baka mag plano na rin ako kumuha lalo na ngayon may asawa na ako at habang wala pang anak.
Tama yang mentality na yan kabayan kasi pag may anak ka na mas madami ng isipin dapat habang mag asawa pa lang kayo at kung kumikita rin naman yung asawa mo, mag start ka na mag invest planuhin mo na ung kaya ng budget nyo. In long term malaking tulong sya pag natapos mo yung plan pwede mong maging pang puhunan yung pera. Good luck sa inyo.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Dabs on January 07, 2020, 12:54:02 PM
What do you mean in Term Life? Just heard it.

Term Life insurance is basic or pure life insurance for a set term, usually 5 or 10 or 15 or 20 years. You pay a small premium, if anything happens to you while you are covered, your beneficiaries get paid.

For something like 50 per month, covered ka ng 500k. So in a year, ang bayad mo is 600. For 10 years, that's only 6k. Pero wala ka makukuha kung healthy ka o buhay ka. It is just insurance. You have peace of mind lang.

Just go to any insurance agent or broker or company and ask about "term life".

Kung meron kang dependents, kung may asawa ka, kung may mga anak ka, eto ang pinaka "required" o "must have" ... anything else is extra expense you don't need.

Hindi kasama dito ang health coverage or mga HMO ... dapat mamatay ka or very serious injury for your beneficiaries to get anything. Yung mga health is like kagaya ng maxicare, blue cross ... madami dyan pwede, sometimes included by your employer if you are working for a bigger company.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Casdinyard on January 08, 2020, 07:53:39 AM
~ snip ~
Nice. Ang kinuha ko kasi ay yung VUL, just forgot what it stands for but basically it has life and health insurance kaya siguro medjo mahal. Siguro kaya hindi inooffer ng mga agents yung term life is maliit kasi magiging commission nila? Anyway, I'll ask my agent na rin regarding this. Thanks for the info.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Dabs on January 08, 2020, 03:34:53 PM
Tama, kasi pinaka mura yung Term Life, pinaka basic. It is the most "pure" insurance product. So lahat ng lalapitan mo, they will almost never recommend it unless you are not getting anything else. Sales habol nila, so they will always try to upsell you on any other plan or additional services or riders.

I get my health insurance separate from my life insurance, para at least hiwalay sila. It may cost a little bit more, but usually the combined premiums are about the same if I had gotten a combo or bundle deal.

Yung mga meron premium return o investment, you'll have to calculate on your own if it's worth your money or your time to do it separately. Some people don't like to DIY, o walang discipline, o tamad ... kaya pwede na rin kunin ang mga ganyan kung may pambayad naman.

Walang traditional company mag invest sa crypto, so talagang hiwalay yun kung nandito ka na.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Casdinyard on January 09, 2020, 06:20:43 AM
~snip~

~snip~
Salamat sa mga inputs nyo and naliwanagan din ako. Maybe my agent didn't explain it to me clearly and besides she just sent the quotation and I just analyze it by myself hahaha. Tbh, Sunlife talaga yung kukunin ko kaso di ko masyadong gusto yung plan at konti lang yung coverage ng plan kaya I end up in Manulife.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Eternad on January 09, 2020, 11:40:48 AM
Nice. Ang kinuha ko kasi ay yung VUL, just forgot what it stands for but basically it has life and health insurance kaya siguro medjo mahal. Siguro kaya hindi inooffer ng mga agents yung term life is maliit kasi magiging commission nila? Anyway, I'll ask my agent na rin regarding this. Thanks for the info.
VUL is Variable Unit Linked plan with critical illness, accident, insurance and with investment kaya pricey. It still depend Kung ano anong mga coverage ang kinuha and San mo fund prefer ilagay yung investment. Term plan is pure insurance only. Kung ngiinvest ka naman sa stocks or trading here in crypto then Term Life is enough as a choice, though premium price changes every year or depends in the insurance company na makukunan mo.  Whichever plan we get we should tell in our agent what we need since mag analysis naman sila ng financial needs mo if enough ba yung coverage depende lang sa budget ng client.
Plan ko kumuha ng VUL this month,  since hindi rin naman ako actively trading and investing. More on holding lang ako sa crypto. I read the proposal quotation given to me at nagustuhan ko naman sya. I also inquire for Term Life na explain naman sakin but not recommended ng agent ko and nakukulangan ako since wala pa sa health. Pero will try to inquire din siguro sa mga pure health and will see kung almost same amount lang babayadan ko.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Wapfika on January 09, 2020, 01:39:43 PM
Plan ko kumuha ng VUL this month,  since hindi rin naman ako actively trading and investing. More on holding lang ako sa crypto. I read the proposal quotation given to me at nagustuhan ko naman sya. I also inquire for Term Life na explain naman sakin but not recommended ng agent ko and nakukulangan ako since wala pa sa health. Pero will try to inquire din siguro sa mga pure health and will see kung almost same amount lang babayadan ko.

Both ay merong advantage and disadvantage
Term Life: +Mura
pure insurance depende Kung lalagyan ng ibang riders
-renewable with different premium price yearly/or after 5yrs

VUL: - Mahal (depende sa mga coverage na kukunin mo)
+same amount all throughout ng plan mo
May Investment pero depende Kung tingin mo kailangan mo.
Maganda to pandagdag sa retirement dahil hindi ikaw ang may control ng trade. And mapapansin mo lang yung kita mo sa long run.

Both naman have insurance magdedepende talaga yan sa budget mo at sa needs mo. Try  na basahin po ang mga previous reply. Sir Dabs explains Kung bat prefer nya ang Term.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Experia on January 09, 2020, 02:41:02 PM
Plan ko kumuha ng VUL this month,  since hindi rin naman ako actively trading and investing. More on holding lang ako sa crypto. I read the proposal quotation given to me at nagustuhan ko naman sya. I also inquire for Term Life na explain naman sakin but not recommended ng agent ko and nakukulangan ako since wala pa sa health. Pero will try to inquire din siguro sa mga pure health and will see kung almost same amount lang babayadan ko.

Both ay merong advantage and disadvantage
Term Life: +Mura
pure insurance depende Kung lalagyan ng ibang riders
-renewable with different premium price yearly/or after 5yrs

VUL: - Mahal (depende sa mga coverage na kukunin mo)
+same amount all throughout ng plan mo
May Investment pero depende Kung tingin mo kailangan mo.
Maganda to pandagdag sa retirement dahil hindi ikaw ang may control ng trade. And mapapansin mo lang yung kita mo sa long run.

Both naman have insurance magdedepende talaga yan sa budget mo at sa needs mo. Try  na basahin po ang mga previous reply. Sir Dabs explains Kung bat prefer nya ang Term.

Depende din sa edad yan bro at state ng katawan, at mas gusto ko ang VUL compare sa ibang plans, 1600 lang ang plan ko kaya hindi mabigat at continuos lang after 5 years so pwede mo pang palakihin ang pwede mong makuha. Pero still naka depende naman yan sa needs mo.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Casdinyard on January 10, 2020, 06:10:37 AM
Depende din sa edad yan bro at state ng katawan, at mas gusto ko ang VUL compare sa ibang plans, 1600 lang ang plan ko kaya hindi mabigat at continuos lang after 5 years so pwede mo pang palakihin ang pwede mong makuha. Pero still naka depende naman yan sa needs mo.
Ang mura naman ng monthly mo, 1600 then just 5 years? I know usually 10 years ang minimum then it depends parin sa age mo diba? Anyway, anong company ka kumuha?


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Dabs on January 10, 2020, 02:01:04 PM
Also, you can get more than one policy from more than one company. Pwede ka kumuha ng VUL sa isa, then Term sa iba ... they might ask if you are already insured, and you can always say you want additional coverage from a different company. Sometimes they don't even ask, kasi you are going to pay the premium anyway.

Ngayon, meron kwento na insurance scam artist, nag pa insure sa isang dozenang life insurance company. Nagbayad. Umabot ng 1 or 2 years. Then namatay.

So, si misis, naka kuha ng milyon milyon ... let's say 1 million bawat company, so binigyan sya ng 12 milyon total. Dollars ha, hindi Pesos.

3 years later, nahuli ng private investigator na buhay pa pala si mister, iba na muka, iba na haircut, iba lahat, pero positively identified na sya nga. Nahuli sa isang boat, sa ibang lugar.

Nakulong, kasi ginamit ang katawan ng ibang tao sa fake death o fake accident.

Alam na ng mga companies ito, so wag na subukan.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Wapfika on January 10, 2020, 03:35:56 PM
Depende din sa edad yan bro at state ng katawan, at mas gusto ko ang VUL compare sa ibang plans, 1600 lang ang plan ko kaya hindi mabigat at continuos lang after 5 years so pwede mo pang palakihin ang pwede mong makuha. Pero still naka depende naman yan sa needs mo.
Ang baba nga ng plan mo, are you aware na once nafinull withdrawal mo ang fund mo, terminated na din ang insurance mo, even limited pay na 5yrs dapat may fund parin na iiwan ka to keep you insured since dun kukuha ng mga charges fee kapag dikana ng bayad or after 5yrs.


Ngayon, meron kwento na insurance scam artist, nag pa insure sa isang dozenang life insurance company. Nagbayad. Umabot ng 1 or 2 years. Then namatay.


Sobrang talino no. Patay talaga ang pinalabas since kapag wala pang 2yrs ang plan pwede sila ideny Kung health issue ang sa sabihin nila since pasok pa sa contestability period. Kaya patay ginawa, baka may nag report kaya na buko. Or since May mga Underwriter and agency force of investigation ang group of insurance company kaya nadedetect.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: abel1337 on January 10, 2020, 04:57:23 PM
Also, you can get more than one policy from more than one company. Pwede ka kumuha ng VUL sa isa, then Term sa iba ... they might ask if you are already insured, and you can always say you want additional coverage from a different company. Sometimes they don't even ask, kasi you are going to pay the premium anyway.

Ngayon, meron kwento na insurance scam artist, nag pa insure sa isang dozenang life insurance company. Nagbayad. Umabot ng 1 or 2 years. Then namatay.

So, si misis, naka kuha ng milyon milyon ... let's say 1 million bawat company, so binigyan sya ng 12 milyon total. Dollars ha, hindi Pesos.

3 years later, nahuli ng private investigator na buhay pa pala si mister, iba na muka, iba na haircut, iba lahat, pero positively identified na sya nga. Nahuli sa isang boat, sa ibang lugar.

Nakulong, kasi ginamit ang katawan ng ibang tao sa fake death o fake accident.

Alam na ng mga companies ito, so wag na subukan.
Napaka tindi naman ng scam scheme nito, Laking pera na nakulimbat nung dalawa sa modus na ginawa nila. Sigurado nag background check ang insurance company sa records nung lalake then natagpuan nila na sobrang dami niyang subscription sa insurance company, Kahit sino maghihinala pag ganon.

Magaling din yung private investigator kasi natrace niya pa at nahuli niya even though maraming modification ang ginawa nung lalake para lang maka takas sa scheme na ginawa nila.



Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Casdinyard on January 11, 2020, 03:59:39 AM
~snip~
Karma really did exists.
Well, they should still be thankful na kahit 3 years na enjoy nila yung pera na nakuha nila kaso walang sekreto na hindi nabubunyag.

Pero bakit kaya sa dami ng nakuha nilang pera hindi man lang naisipan mag pa plastic surgery ng mas maayos yung tipong hindi sya maidentified? O sadyang sobrang galing lang ng private investigator?

This just show may mga tao talagang greedy sa pera at handang manloko, I wonder if they still got a good sleep.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: AbuBhakar on January 11, 2020, 10:24:18 AM
~snip~
Karma really did exists.
Well, they should still be thankful na kahit 3 years na enjoy nila yung pera na nakuha nila kaso walang sekreto na hindi nabubunyag.

Pero bakit kaya sa dami ng nakuha nilang pera hindi man lang naisipan mag pa plastic surgery ng mas maayos yung tipong hindi sya maidentified? O sadyang sobrang galing lang ng private investigator?

This just show may mga tao talagang greedy sa pera at handang manloko, I wonder if they still got a good sleep.

This just show too na magaling din magdetect ang mga insurance company kaya wag tayo basta basta mangloko madami din silang connection from different offices. Mahirap isipin na nag plastic surgery kapag may katawang pinakita. Kala ko sa mga pelikula lang pwede ang mga ganitong scenario.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: matchi2011 on January 13, 2020, 09:52:03 AM
Also, you can get more than one policy from more than one company. Pwede ka kumuha ng VUL sa isa, then Term sa iba ... they might ask if you are already insured, and you can always say you want additional coverage from a different company. Sometimes they don't even ask, kasi you are going to pay the premium anyway.

Ngayon, meron kwento na insurance scam artist, nag pa insure sa isang dozenang life insurance company. Nagbayad. Umabot ng 1 or 2 years. Then namatay.

So, si misis, naka kuha ng milyon milyon ... let's say 1 million bawat company, so binigyan sya ng 12 milyon total. Dollars ha, hindi Pesos.

3 years later, nahuli ng private investigator na buhay pa pala si mister, iba na muka, iba na haircut, iba lahat, pero positively identified na sya nga. Nahuli sa isang boat, sa ibang lugar.

Nakulong, kasi ginamit ang katawan ng ibang tao sa fake death o fake accident.

Alam na ng mga companies ito, so wag na subukan.
Napaka tindi naman ng scam scheme nito, Laking pera na nakulimbat nung dalawa sa modus na ginawa nila. Sigurado nag background check ang insurance company sa records nung lalake then natagpuan nila na sobrang dami niyang subscription sa insurance company, Kahit sino maghihinala pag ganon.

Magaling din yung private investigator kasi natrace niya pa at nahuli niya even though maraming modification ang ginawa nung lalake para lang maka takas sa scheme na ginawa nila.


Pagdating sa pera syempre mautak din ang mga business owners and konting hinala lang na makita nila talagang iimbistigahan nila yan para makita kung ano yung totoo. Akala ko sa dati sa pelikula lang nangyayari yung ganitong attempt in real life pala meron malakas ang loob at sumubok siguro for a while na enjoy nila pero sa kinalaunan hindi na kasi kulungan ang bagsak nila.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Dabs on January 13, 2020, 04:12:07 PM
Lumang kwento na ito.. I think sa Reader's Digest ko pa nabasa. I'm sure it's happened more than once at meron mga episode sa Crime series o Forensic Files o mga ganun TV shows.

Pag mga ganyan style, dapat cut all attachments and lipat ng ibang bansa ... eh hindi, so meron trail. Huli sila.

I think meron pa mga ibang kwento na similar. Someone is still going to try the same thing in the future.


In my case, ako insured, pag namatay ako, meron makukuha pamilya ko. Hindi sobra, but enough for them to live for a few years. Maybe. Not enough for them to all retire and do nothing, but enough so that they can continue their lives until they can stand up on their own.

Yan ang purpose ng life insurance. Mababayaran ang future education and needs nila, makaka pag schooling o college o something. But mauubos din and they will have to continue on their own.

Remember that 1 or 2 million pesos isn't enough to retire and not work for the next 30 years, unless your standard of living or lifestyle is very low or very cheap. I'm insured for more than that, but by my calculations it's just enough money for my family to survive about 5 to 10 years without working or earning any other income.

So ang dapat gawen nila is to continue to live, meron financial tulong dahil namatay ako, but continue.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: blockman on January 13, 2020, 11:45:44 PM
Grabe naman yang kwento na yan Dabs akala ko sa movies lang nagaganap yung ganyan pero mukhang masyadong malaking bagay at importante para sa ibang bansa talaga kapag ang usapan ay insurance. Meron din naman akong napanood lang sa facebook, yung mismong asawa niyang babae ipapapatay mister niya para daw sa insurance at iba pang mga benefits. Ang kaso nahuli yung babae ng dash cam sa mismong sasakyan at narecord yung conversation sa hired killer na isa rin palang agent.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Savemore on January 14, 2020, 03:24:21 AM
Also, you can get more than one policy from more than one company. Pwede ka kumuha ng VUL sa isa, then Term sa iba ... they might ask if you are already insured, and you can always say you want additional coverage from a different company. Sometimes they don't even ask, kasi you are going to pay the premium anyway.

Ngayon, meron kwento na insurance scam artist, nag pa insure sa isang dozenang life insurance company. Nagbayad. Umabot ng 1 or 2 years. Then namatay.

So, si misis, naka kuha ng milyon milyon ... let's say 1 million bawat company, so binigyan sya ng 12 milyon total. Dollars ha, hindi Pesos.

3 years later, nahuli ng private investigator na buhay pa pala si mister, iba na muka, iba na haircut, iba lahat, pero positively identified na sya nga. Nahuli sa isang boat, sa ibang lugar.

Nakulong, kasi ginamit ang katawan ng ibang tao sa fake death o fake accident.

Alam na ng mga companies ito, so wag na subukan.
Napaka tindi naman ng scam scheme nito, Laking pera na nakulimbat nung dalawa sa modus na ginawa nila. Sigurado nag background check ang insurance company sa records nung lalake then natagpuan nila na sobrang dami niyang subscription sa insurance company, Kahit sino maghihinala pag ganon.

Magaling din yung private investigator kasi natrace niya pa at nahuli niya even though maraming modification ang ginawa nung lalake para lang maka takas sa scheme na ginawa nila.


Pagdating sa pera syempre mautak din ang mga business owners and konting hinala lang na makita nila talagang iimbistigahan nila yan para makita kung ano yung totoo. Akala ko sa dati sa pelikula lang nangyayari yung ganitong attempt in real life pala meron malakas ang loob at sumubok siguro for a while na enjoy nila pero sa kinalaunan hindi na kasi kulungan ang bagsak nila.
Kaya naman hanggang bata pa tayo dapat mag acquire na tayo ng real assets na makakapag bigay saatin ng passive income. I do not like job security, ang gusto ko ay mga assets na mag bubuo saakin ng wealth. Sa katunayan ako ay nag sisimula na mag invest sa ibat ibang investment vehicle like sa stockmarket, real estate at syempre sa cryptocurrencies pero ang cryptocurrencies kasi ay ma coconsider na speculative asset dahil sa high volatility.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Wapfika on January 14, 2020, 03:41:26 AM
Kaya naman hanggang bata pa tayo dapat mag acquire na tayo ng real assets na makakapag bigay saatin ng passive income. I do not like job security, ang gusto ko ay mga assets na mag bubuo saakin ng wealth. Sa katunayan ako ay nag sisimula na mag invest sa ibat ibang investment vehicle like sa stockmarket, real estate at syempre sa cryptocurrencies pero ang cryptocurrencies kasi ay ma coconsider na speculative asset dahil sa high volatility.
Yes, it's speculative. Kaya hindi pa sya kinonsider ng mga insurance companies and investment companies as Investment na pwedeng pag lagyan ng pera ng mga investors nila since sobrang risky hindi kagaya ng mga equities at bonds na mamanipiulate and naaraal nila ang mga nangyayari within their area even in a long run.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: joshy23 on January 15, 2020, 07:03:08 PM
Kaya naman hanggang bata pa tayo dapat mag acquire na tayo ng real assets na makakapag bigay saatin ng passive income. I do not like job security, ang gusto ko ay mga assets na mag bubuo saakin ng wealth. Sa katunayan ako ay nag sisimula na mag invest sa ibat ibang investment vehicle like sa stockmarket, real estate at syempre sa cryptocurrencies pero ang cryptocurrencies kasi ay ma coconsider na speculative asset dahil sa high volatility.
Yes, it's speculative. Kaya hindi pa sya kinonsider ng mga insurance companies and investment companies as Investment na pwedeng pag lagyan ng pera ng mga investors nila since sobrang risky hindi kagaya ng mga equities at bonds na mamanipiulate and naaraal nila ang mga nangyayari within their area even in a long run.
Siguro sooner or later mangyayari rin yan at makikita na rin natin ang results na makakasama na ang crypto sa list ng mga pdeng gawing assets ng mga insurance/investment companies. Pero gaya nga ng mga sinabi nyo dapat habang maaga at habang meron pang pera pang invest dapat magsimula na agad na maghanap ng tamang venue for your future rin kasi yan.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Wapfika on January 17, 2020, 02:34:01 PM
Siguro sooner or later mangyayari rin yan at makikita na rin natin ang results na makakasama na ang crypto sa list ng mga pdeng gawing assets ng mga insurance/investment companies. Pero gaya nga ng mga sinabi nyo dapat habang maaga at habang meron pang pera pang invest dapat magsimula na agad na maghanap ng tamang venue for your future rin kasi yan.
Sabi nga nila the best time to invest is years ago and the second best is Now. The earlier na magsimula tayo, the earlier na mare receive na natin yung fruit of labor nun. Kasi the day you plant the seed is not the day you eat the fruit, kagaya sa insurance o investment hindi man natin magmit ito ngayon or makita yung ineexpect na returns right away. May time na kikita din yun. Kaya may mga Delayed gratification yung Investing and availing insurance sa future natin mapapakinabangan.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Dabs on January 17, 2020, 04:52:38 PM
There was a table made, where two people invested at different ages. Yung isa nag invest 5000 a year starting at age 15, invested every year for the next 10 years, stopped when he became 25.

Yung other one, nag invest starting at age 25, nag invest ng 5000 a year, every year, until age 60.

If both investments had a 10% nominal interest rate that was then reinvested back to itself, sino sa tinging mo mas malaki ang ipon by age 60?

Tandaan, the second one did not stop, but the first one stopped after 10 years.

The first one put in a total of 50k. The second one put in a total of 180k.

Result: First one total is 2.7 million. Second one is total only 1.6 million.

https://barefootinvestor.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/table_01102015-copy.jpg


Best time to invest? start at 15 years old? hehehe.

Even if you extend the table to 100 or 200 or 300 years, and the second one keeps on investing 5k every year, hindi parin makakahabol sa first one na hindi na nag dagdag sa investment.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Wapfika on January 21, 2020, 02:57:13 PM
^Thanks Sir sa Info and visual presentation
The early we start the better talaga. We need to take advantage sa compound interest benefit na inooffer ng pagiinvest ng maaga at ng long term lalo na kung sa stocks ito. Kaya dapat naghahanap ng ibang way para maka gain despite inflation.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: KnightElite on January 23, 2020, 12:36:02 AM
Sigurado ako na most of the goals ng mga kababayan natinnay ma achieve ang financial freedom.kung saan na cocover nila ang lahat ng expenses at liabilities nila pati na din mabili nila ang mga desires nila kaso ang problema konti lang ang financial literate saatin, it is sad to say kaya madami ang mga tao na nalulugi kapag sila ay gumagawa ng investment. Siguro sa tingin ko nasa culture na atin kung bakit most sa mga pinoy ay hinde kaya mag financial planning. Wala din kasi tayong financial education na itinuturo sa school kaya naman most saatin ay hinde marunong pag dating sa pera.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Wapfika on January 23, 2020, 02:21:57 AM
Sigurado ako na most of the goals ng mga kababayan natinnay ma achieve ang financial freedom.kung saan na cocover nila ang lahat ng expenses at liabilities nila pati na din mabili nila ang mga desires nila kaso ang problema konti lang ang financial literate saatin, it is sad to say kaya madami ang mga tao na nalulugi kapag sila ay gumagawa ng investment. Siguro sa tingin ko nasa culture na atin kung bakit most sa mga pinoy ay hinde kaya mag financial planning. Wala din kasi tayong financial education na itinuturo sa school kaya naman most saatin ay hinde marunong pag dating sa pera.
Kaya dapat may proper handling of money din tinuturo. Or siguro based na din sa mae experience natin sa buhay Kung pano tayo magiisip magipon. Hopefully, madami pang Filipino ang makaisip na insecure at protektahan ang assets na pinaghirapan nila, or wag lang hayaan nasa ba ko, dapat maging mataliino din sa pag papaikot nito.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Dabs on January 23, 2020, 02:05:22 PM
Madali lang naman ang principles eh, the most important is to spend less than you make, or live within your means. If you want a higher standard of living, that costs more, then you should be earning more.

Ang problema, people claim they don't make enough, so the solution there is to find a way to make more. Sometimes though, you just have to cut out some expenses that are not really required, o tanggapen na hindi ka pwede tumira sa mahalin na lugar.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Wapfika on January 30, 2020, 07:21:53 AM
Madali lang naman ang principles eh, the most important is to spend less than you make, or live within your means. If you want a higher standard of living, that costs more, then you should be earning more.

Ang problema, people claim they don't make enough, so the solution there is to find a way to make more. Sometimes though, you just have to cut out some expenses that are not really required, o tanggapen na hindi ka pwede tumira sa mahalin na lugar.

Kahit gaano kadali ang principle some live more than they capability. Yung iba live or buy stuffs to impress then nganga later. Wag sana dumating sa time na, matanda na tayo saka lang natin maisipan magipon or maginvest para sa retirement. Allot budget for savings and investment. January is about to end at ang daming na ngyari g tragedy and mga sakit na kumalalat. Better be insured habang insurable pa and save for emergency fund and retirement.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Dabs on January 30, 2020, 04:04:52 PM
We buy things we don't need with money we don't have to impress people we don't like.

A budget is telling your money where to go instead of wondering where it went.


Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
Post by: Wapfika on May 20, 2020, 05:01:55 PM
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Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
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Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
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Title: Re: Cryptocurrencies at Financial Planning
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