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I often visit the service board, but since the Cryptotalk alias yobit campaign came.
Rarely new sig campaigns appear, who knows why.
Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=52.0

people ran into the yobit campaign.

This month there is a new sig campaign, but few participants apply.
People prefer: yobit

https://zizihub.com/a3b1.jpg

This also happened on the Altcoin board.
Bounty, the lonely manager of participants who registered.

Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=238.0

No high ranking participant is interested in Bounty despite the high token payment offer, people run to: yobit

https://zizihub.com/5ff9.jpg

Most of the applicants are Newbies at social bounties.

This is funny, if the Cryptotalk campaign accepts Newbie and Member participants, maybe the bounty manager should promote the project alone without the applicants applying, possibly.

This is one form that people who come to this forum for the sake of dollars, no matter what happens.
What is the account: red trust, buy account, old account not in use now wake up, rarely post now explode, spam.
It's just funny to me, bullshit.

I disagree that one campaign is the reason why new ones don't appear, although I didn't keep track of how many new campaigns a week or a month appeared. People are always looking for the easiest and the highest-paid signature campaigns, and one that you mentioned offers them just that. The fact that anyone can apply, that there is no selection process and that number of post is 20 per day provides a solid income opportunity, especially for those who have multiple accounts.

On the one hand, it is not good that some spammers have switched from bounty to signature campaigns, now they are all over the forum despite efforts to prevent them, but maybe some of them will see good opportunity and try to contribute to the forum more than usual.

Yobit can not be blamed for the low turn out of signature campaign it is just a coincidence that campaign are not coming out.
Also the 20post a day maximum can result to spamming and to add to that the simplicity to join the campaign with out proper screening of participants can make matter worse.
About altcoin it's not recently that high Ranking members started to see that altcoins campaign is turning out to be time wasting at times, and the newbies that are there some with multiple account on the same bounty are of the option of other campaigns like social media, article Etc. Still yobit is not to be blamed for that.
Also the manager that is handling the yobit campaign thread has compiled list of those wrong doers
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188200.0

that, talk about facts, not engineering or fairy tales.
New sig campaign.

Topic: [BOUNTY]🔶vipgame.io🔶 | SIGNATURE CAMPAIGN-$$- Up to 0.006 BTC per week (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5192036.0)

only one campaign for sig this month, another, the old sig campaign.

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No one said that the yobit campaign was the one who masterminded the problem,
You know the meaning of funny, Lol.
People are not interested in other campaigns such as: Bounty etc. So quiet,
People run to yobit.
your understand what I mean.

Your rank means that you have been on the forum for w good time so should this surprise you that we are just 13days into the month and only one new signature campaign so far, don't forget wolfbet reopened on 30sept
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5186462.0
  that fact that no new signature campaign on service has nothing to do with yobit. Bounty organiser are not deterred by which campaign is on going, if you have the fund for a campaign then you can run one

There are many users in the forum who don't qualify for participating in bitcoin-paying signature campaigns and they have to participate in bounties (I mean signature campaigns that pay participants with their ICO/IEO tokens). Manager of bounties usually are not strict on applications and accept everyone interested in their campaign unless the user has negative trust.
Cryptotalk campaign provided a good opportunity for those users who were not able to earn bitcoin before. Joining cryptotalk campaign is not as difficult as other bitcoin-paying campaigns. If your rank is senior member or higher you can easily join the campaign. You don't need to be accepted by managers.
Cryptotalk campaign is a good opportunity for those who say: "Please accept me, I will make high quality posts from now". They should use this opportunity. If they spam, they will quickly kicked out by Yahoo62278. If they spam they will likely lose their chance to participate in many of future bitcoin-paying campaigns too. I expect Yahoo62278 and also some other managers take a look at List of banned participants in the Cryptotalk Campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188200.0k) before they accept users.

Yobit pays what, 12k satoshi per post up to 20 posts per day?  You better believe everybody and their mother is going to be applying for that campaign.  If my advanced mathematics is correct (lol), that's $1.01 per post.  Somebody please tell me what $20.20 buys in a 3rd world country.  I mean that, I'm very interested to know.

And I don't frequent the spam-filled sections of the forum, like Bitcoin/Altcoin Discussion and other sections Yobit pays for, but I would imagine that most of the posts being cranked out by cryptotalk.org participants are pure spam.  Yahoo62278 is doing an excellent job of trying to maintain control of the campaign, but there are still shitposters who are going to slip through the cracks.  

And yeah, the participants probably don't have a lot of other options as far as making money on the forum.  They could take their chances with some shitty-ass bounty that might not pay them with some tokens that are worthless anyway, but the Yobit campaign is a sure thing--if they don't get banned first.  It doesn't seem to be as bad as when Yobit launched their last campaign.  I attribute that to Yahoo62278's management.

Edit:

Big LOL.

Well $20 buys 20 cheeseburgers in a first world country led by an orange balloon so I reckon with your advanced mathematics you could extrapolate from that   ;D

According to https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-latin-america-45179671, it buys more fuel than I'll use in a lifetime in Venezuela.

Well, let's take a look at Vietnam:

According to some of the cost of living sources  (https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Vietnam&displayCurrency=USD)


Compared with the average salary:


At current prices, and making 20 posts a day for a week they would be earning $141.4. For arguments sake we'll just say a month is 4 7 day weeks; They would then be earning $565 which would mean they would be earning over the average monthly net salary by a total of $185.65 which is roughly around $2227 more every year.

Vietnam being one of the more expensive third world countries to live in when compared with the likes of Venezuela.

Lol in India, it's like more than a professors monthly salary :D like $140 a week or 560$ a month is like 40000 INR a month. That's what a doctor in a government hospital giving 8-10 hours a day duty earns!!!

You now say Vietnam,
Try to see in the life of the third world of Singapore.
How low and high.


source: https://www.expatistan.com/cost-of-living/singapore

If the revenue in the yobit campaign is 1.01 $ in per post, multiplied by 20 in one day = 20.2 $ and in one month times 30 = $ 606.
and added 10 uncles = $ 6,060. in one month.

Very noble yobit campaign, can employ all family members there, uncle, mother, grandmother, sister-in-law.

If yobit participants, living in Singapore, may in a few months buy a new car or new home.

I think if the yobit campaign runs for one year, the company and manager Bounty must suck their fingers, If the wave of the ban doesn't swell.

I have been little reluctant in wearing this signature initially, but with yahoo's management I thought of stepping in this campaign. Being a pretty decent poster myself, it's been always difficult for me to join other gambling signatures for most of the time. There are various reasons why I thought of promoting cryptotalk in my signature space.

Cryptotalk is a forum and they are unlikely to scam anyone and meanwhile promoting this cryptotalk forum is far better than promoting a gambling site in my signature IMO. Before I wear a signature for each time, I personally verify, deposit, withdraw and gamble with my money. If they are proven to be trustworthy I would move on with wearing the signature. This is probably because I post in some of the most really good (non-spammy) sections of Bitcointalk (be it Development and Tech Section, Meta, Beginners and Help, Collectibles, Serious Discussion etc.) where majority of the posters would be viewing my signature and if on rare instances could try the site.

The second one is that, I am not a very active Gambling Discussion poster and on the other hand I don't qualify for the minimum posts for the majority of the time. Posting around 25/30 per week is kind of a nightmare for me for most of the time and I have been kicked out of the campaigns for this particular reason. Cryptotalk campaign doesn't have the minimum post count which makes it even more better to wear them for posters like me.

P.S I would be one among the rare Cryptotalk participants to promote this forum in some of the important non-spammy sections in the upcoming days and I am good to know about that. As I have already said, these signature campaigns in bitcointalk are literally a honor for us to receive pay for posting and they shouldn't be forgotten while posting.

EDIT to add some note : I recently spoke with Zwei to remove my name from WolfBet campaign where they pay the same 0.00016BTC per post which Cryptotalk pays me but the latter gives me more freedom in having no minimum posts and I don't need to post a minimum number in Gambling section.

Apart from the orange monkey cheeseburger stuff....

Isn't Yobit paying 20k satoshi for legendary and 15k for Hero?
Using your advanced mathematics in which I will input my updated price of 10k$ per BTC that would make around 1200$ for Legendary and ...something less for Hero  ;D

That would top even the average wage in Eastern Europe

That's without considering the plethora of alt accounts which are likely enrolled in the system. You could potentially x10 that amount considering the amount of account farming which was happening before the merit system was introduced. Considering, there's been a few accounts waking up recently would signal towards alternate accounts too.

Anyone uses more than 1 account and makes 20 posts daily with each of them, have to spam. Then they will likely be banned by Yahoo62278. There are very few users in the forum that are able to make more than 20 constructive posts per day. Those users are participating in better campaigns.  

Your hypothesis on the reduction of high rank members (snr-legendary) interested in participating in bounty related campaign is quite accurate, I have been paying close attention to that board lately (as you can see my signature campaign is an altcoin related campaign). More and more previous bounty promoters are diverting to Cryptotalk signature campaign since the assurance of getting rewarded its quite sure than trusting your time to some worthless token that might or might not get listed on an exchange with decent trading volume to sell rewards (tokens) to bitcoin or ethereum.

Currently there's over 400+ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190565.0) cryptotalk participants which obviously some large amount of those participants were previous bounty promoters as most of them would hardly get a slot in any bitcoin paying signature campaign requiring quality participants. The issue of spam has it contribution from the fact, previously this promoters were only required to make just 7-14 post per week to recieve stakes but now they're aiming to post the 20 post daily limit (140 weekly posts) which they're not used. So obviously their work would just be worthless (pointless) contributions, even those trying to decieve the masses by writing all kinds of articles in the name of not spamming.

The overall Bitcoin and altcoin/token markets are in a real lull right now. I think that has more to do with it. If conditions were like 2017, we would see a lot more projects raising money and being hyped up -- including with forum campaigns.

Then again, if Cryptotalk posters are pushing everyone else's ads off the page, that could be a real deterrent to starting one...

Well, it's nothing surprising. Why to join random bounty campaign where you will get paid some tokens, when you can get decent payment in BTC? Usually it's difficult to be accepted in campaign, mainly due to very limited spots, but Cryptotalk campaign is different and easiest to join, so, it's not strange that it attract lot of people. I don't know how many people are in this campaign, but last time when I checked there was over 400 participants. Seems that Yobit have very big budget for this campaign.
Imagine what would happen if they would start accepting lower rank accounts. Then bounty campaigns simply would die :D
But personally, I wouldn't join Cryptotalk even if they pay better than my current campaign. I just don't want to be asociated with all these spammers. I noticed that that my eyes started to skip posts written by Cryptotalk participants - it's prejudice that post isn't worth to read just because it was written by Cryptotalk participants.

Well, I live in Eastern Europe and I would have to spam hard and make 20 posts almost every day to earn average wage in my country. It doesn't sounds good... I'll stick with my current job.

originally, I joined the YoShit campaign years back because someone noticed I posted so much I should join a campaign and get paid for it....
Highest paid with fewest restrictions was yobit (0.0003/post back then).... so I went for it.
I mean, just on an average day of random replies and help to others during the big pushes, I was making well over $10-$20/day sometimes... just for shit I was doing already.



Fast forward a few years later, and all the sudden the sig is banned.....   and I find myself falling into the position I am in now.
I wont sign back up to them,   no way in hell....   Not worth the heartache in the end at this juncture.

I believe the current campaign at this juncture has already breached the rules TBH.    In order to add people in the past (originally if memory serves) you needed to have your posts vetted before even being added to a sig campaign, on top of being a ranked member.   

Imagine campaigns having to vet the members for a change.... what a concept....   
Imagine where the blame for 'members bad participation skills' after joining the sig campaign will be placed?  How easy would it be able to control then?

I don't see sig campaigns being a good thing for the site in the end after seeing both sides of the coin.     I mean, free crypto is free crypto..... but it truly comes at a major cost; which in the grand picture is not worth it.

Why do I feel like I just finished a border wall debate/conversation with someone?  ::)

Am I the only one here who doesn't get that joke?  I honestly don't know what that's referring to.

Wowza.  Yeah, I took a quick look at what they were paying and didn't even realize Hero-Legendaries can make more than 12k sats/post.  So those ranks would be pretty sweet for someone living not just in a 3rd world country, but someone without a job living anywhere--but especially in a poorer country. 

That's one thing I like about signature campaigns like Yobit's, that they can help the poor.  Another is that they promote the use of crypto among people who otherwise might not use it.  Obviously I find it sucky in the extreme that campaigns accepting hundreds of members and with low standards for acceptance also promote spamming of the forum, but such is life.  Not every cryptotalk campaigner is a spammer, and I am happy that at least Yahoo62278 is managing it and has banned a whole bunch of them.  That's way better than it was last time Yobit did their thing.

balloon > baboon   ;D


That's if you make the average median wage in the first place, but most young people don't, second, only some of the countries in EE have that average wage, Russia is at 600 and none other than Estonia and Slovenia go above the 1k euro barrier.
Of course, we exclude healthcare, pension, unemployment but still might look pretty attractive to some.

20 posts a day or 8 hours at work and 2 hours in transit mean around 2 posts per hour.
Out of pure curiosity, I checked one of the current English tests for the 8th grade, it has a 6 lines translation and a 150 words small essay in it, apart from the grammar, with a 50 mins time...so...posting might feel like going back to school...crap!!!!!!! Not the best analogy!
But if you are fluent in English,with a lot of accounts and as crazy as actmyname (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5133932.msg50683087#msg50683087):P you could get more than 120$/h.... ::) That's above the daily paycheck (again average) in Germany.

Anyhow, since someone mentioned suchmoon's stats for the campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190565.0)
Only 3 were making 20 posts a day and only 50 out of 400 more than 10.
Probably most have understood that 5$ each day for a month is better than 20$ once.

Our highest minimum wage here in our country is $10.43 (537 PHP) and now that there is a signature campaign which pays twice our minimum wage, they will either tell to their relative to post here and they will continue their work (double compensation work + campaign) or they will stop working and focus on signature campaign which is a bit bullshit for me.

Well $20.20 can buy many here in our country like some beers which costs around $0.80 per bottle :D or some will buy their favorite outfits and if they will continue this campaign for a year lets say and a certain user met all the daily quota which is 20 posts per day, he can easily buy a car or more house and lot if the price goes higher.

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Yobit helped the average people to become rich by simply promoting their not so stupid forum (cryptotalk). I can't blame them since it is money and they will do anything for money but I'm just happy that there are bunch of reputable users here helping to at least lessen the spam here by banning those spammers to join in the campaign :).

I think we all are focusing on 20$ per day thing which is impossible to maintain if anyone wants to remain in the campaign. Theoretically yes, You  can do but practically you cannot. You can do 20 post one day, two, three days and that's all.  So if anyone is dreaming to buy a car or home on basis of this will be disappointed to find their name in the banned list sooner or later.

The moment I see shitposts, chances are like at least 50% come from CryptoTalk sigs users the moment I view their profiles.

But for that price of min 12K sats, I'm not surprised that one can't simply post in a normal manner in order to maximize YB's exposure.

I’ve just checked whom I’ve merited over the last three days belonged to the CryptoTalk campaing, being the results for these days as follows: 4 out of 8 (50%), 2 out of six (33%), 5 out of 18 (27,7%). I don’t normally look at nor perceive signatures anymore, but rather content. What these (small) numbers show me is that there are a fair share of posters under this campaign that post well enough for me to merit them. Some of them have probably dropped their prior campaigns in favour of a higher paying one, and ring a bell, whilst others have never appear under my radar before.

Of course you can also find the opposite effect: on a Bitcoin Discussion thread I explained how Bitcoin ATMs are perceived in Venezuela in reply to another post. After my post, there were bags of replies which all seemed to have ignored the content of my explanation, and just went about their "great for Venezuela and Crypto" derivative type posts, many of them chained replies from this campaign. None were off-topic nor spam, but also none of them tried to read into the context I’d provided after consulting with some local Venezuelans. Naturally, that is not subject to this campaign alone by far.

Singapore dollar for now $ 0.71 when measured in US dollars, per 1 dollar.

If a person works on a yobit campaign for $ 1.01 per post, if chasing posts without a ban, for example 15 or 20 posts per day he earns $ 20.2 per day.

If added in per month only 30 days does not stop, can generate $ 606 per month, that's one person.

What if one person installs 10 accounts in the yobit campaign, with reasons, uncle, grandfather, sister-in-law, brother, mother, father etc.
Bullshit, can make $ 606 in monthly and per year of that incredible $ 60,600 per account.
The government salary is above average.
If one year counts, the income in the yobit campaign will generate $ 727,200. Per 10 accounts if not discovered and banned.
This will be a dream in broad daylight and reality.

While houses in Singapore for the lower classes are in bandrol by the government 150-400 thousand Singapore dollars and also a new car $ 81,800. Each unit.

https://www.nissan.com.sg/vehicles/new/sylphy.html?sem&gclid=CjwKCAjwlovtBRBrEiwAG3XJ-xe-_6aDPaoHkwnlAXacrJOSYQzUV3KE15NTr6rMCQca6MTITi44QRoC4oAQAvD_BwE

For home and car salaries from the yobit forum campaign are issued annually around $ 400 and $ 81,800 = $ 481,800 that is spent annually at less than $ 727,200, yobit's income, $ 245,200 saved.
Whether it be a dream in broad daylight or reality.

While the lowest salary in Singapore is around 1,500 Singapore dollars per month and the highest is around Singapore 3,000 dollars, it has been combined.

While in the yobit campaign people install 10 accounts at once earning $ 6, 606 per month, double the highest salary in singapore.

In this currency people do not care what happens to the forum, spam, multi accounts, red trust, buy accounts, no matter how stupid. Money-money-money. Bullshit.

I do not believe that 1 single campaign is causing the disband of bounty hunters and also lack of new campaigns... on one side, new projects are already diminishing since some time ago, especially if we are looking for good ones, this has probably more to do with the market conditions than with another campaign...
on the other side, bounty hunters numbers usually follow the market, as when the market is bad and has few good campaigns, the scam level rises and the rewards dissapear... so it is natural that there are less hunters now

There's a lot of users which are decent posters in the campaign, but they are drowned out by the masses of spammers which inevitably get drawn in by such a high paying campaign. I still stand by my original point of view that this will likely take Yahoo a few months to get under control, and hopefully the campaign won't cause too many issues. I've merited users from the crytoTalk campaign also, and for the ones that I come across who are spamming I just message Yahoo if they aren't quite breaking forum guidelines.

Now let's show some numbers :) In the past 7 days (http://loyce.club/active/7d.html), this many users have posted:
Legendary: 506 users
Hero Member: 509 users
Sr. Member: 841 users
A few more are hiding as Copper Member, Staff or other rank too.

Earlier this month (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5187825.0), suchmoon counted 451 participants in the recent Yobit campaign. Some of those had lower ranks, and by now many have been banned from the campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188200.0) by yahoo62278, and a lower number has been banned from the forum.

Based on those numbers, I'm not surprised those users choose the higher Bitcoin payment over Tokens made up out of thin air. But what I'm really interested in, is if they don't have enough accounts left to join the bounties too: how many more "spare" accounts are owned by spammers? If this really is the better part of all high-ranking accounts, that means spammers are finally running out! More than 1.5 years after the introduction of Merit, that would be a small victory, even though it creates some temporary spam.

The great thing about Yahoo's list being public we could probably dig into a lot of those banned accounts history, and establish connections between each one meaning they'd hopefully not be able to abuse future campaigns. Especially, if campaign managers start merging a lot of the names into their own banned list.

Most of these banned ones are the throw away accounts as they were red tagged already and had no use until they come alive again to get some money from this campaign. Also most of the burst posting are also been done by these accounts.

It will be interesting if we can compile the list, minus the red trusted ones and see whats the count left.
 

There's only a public list of banned accounts. I'd like to see a full list of all accounts that are still in the campaign though.

interesting;  is it possible to derive statistics/post counts for the users for the same amount of time prior to their joining the campaign and compare to while in the campaign?  This can show any potential of posting habits changed based on having a sig...

not saying its necessary, but would be interesting data.

I do not know why you still think that new campaigns are not appearing because of one campaign, everyone is free to start their own campaign anytime. If we look Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.1360) most of them are long-term signature campaigns, and the number of new SC which pay with BTC is very low for a long time.


Someone is say that 90% of CryptoTalk participants are very low-quality posters, and I agree with that. Most of them do not read anything except for the title, or maybe last post in the thread, and as you say they come in the waves of replies completely ignoring everything posted before. Considering the numbers of hundreds of accounts, sometimes it is very hard to read all that nonsense posts, and in most cases, I just give up with posting because my post no one will even notice in all that spam.

JSRAW commented on this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5176456.msg52207066#msg52207066) asking for a new Indian mod that You and me sound like carbon copies..!!

I have the exact same reasons for choosing cryptotalk signature (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5093271.msg52711835#msg52711835). Making posts for the sake of fulfilling minimum requirements can be gruesome to your own self-respect..LOL..I truly appreciate that you have gained a diverse participation at the forum. I found myself getting limited after a certain time due to lack of enthusiasm and time to devote on the forum.
The things you are doing are encouraging and I think if Theymos ever decides to pick a mod for the Indian sub, you'd be a fine choice.

PS: We really must do something about sounding so similar..!!  :D

Suchmoon did that already: Cryptotalk signature campaign participants 2019-10-06 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190565.0).
Short summary: most users post much more after joining the campaign.

LOL... ;D Never seen your post before and thanks for pointing it out. The primary reason for me reapplying again and again for the Chipmixer campaign is not really for their very high payrates but for the rules which DarkStar_ has adhered to run the campaign for a long term. The short term campaigns require to gain much attention for their site at a very limited time period and not really willing to have a longer run with very low post count. Even if I get a chance in Chipmixer campaign, the posting habit of mine would never change and I would be forever posting (max 25-30 posts if I have insane free time over the week). I am online for over 2-3 hours cumulatively right from morning today but this is the very first post I am writing now. The goal is not to write whatever I think but to have a very good write-up of posts which will serve the topic and would uplift the ideas posted already.

If you take my number of posts they are just lesser than 775 posts over 1.8 year of stay but I have received around 590 merits with that. The problem with me is that I take a lot more time with reading each and every post and brainstorming myself on how different my post could be from other posts. I have promoted some gambling sites with my signatures eventhough I was not really aware with gambling terms right then. To counter this, I had read various articles on gambling very often to justify my signature posts in Gambling section.

Probably even today I don't post much, but each and every post will serve the purpose of promoting the signature at the right area. I have seen many gamblers in Collectibles board and my signature could have somehow helped the promotion of the company to them I guess.  :D The companies don't hire us to talk shit in the Gambling topics but to promote their site with the target audience.


Yes, encouraging in the sense these topics which I make in Indian section needs much exposure and the posters should return back to the section which isn't happening right now. Old timer (registered around 2013-2015) good posters are still roaming in the global boards thinking the board is still dormant and spammy which isn't right now.  :(

I will not agree to this. If 90% of the cryptotalk participants are spammers then this campaign would have ended by now. No one will tolerate this much amount of spam. The fact is that there are good posters too here who are wearing this signature and with banning in place, it should keep the quality increasing.


This is true for most of the users and not just cryptotalk participants. All the discussion boards are filled with such stuff and we should not unnecessary blame all the bad things to the cryptotalk.

There's nothing there to disagree with as the stats (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190565.0) are openly available for everyone to see. The high quality posters aren't even upto 10% as majority of the current participants are spammers although that those not automatically mean the campaign will be shutdown anything soon since the campaign is been well managed by a campaign manager to reduce the level of spams to some extent.

The major reason the yobit campaign was banned was due to its lacked of moderation by a campaign manager but since the cryptotalk campaign has a manager and a reputed one for that matter I'm sure theymos is only giving @yahoo the opportunity to prove he can guide the campaign on the right track but if he fails to achieve that then the option of a signature ban might be the final answer. Stake Signature (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5110093.0) was also producing massive spam on the forum but the signature didn't receive a ban could be the same reason Cryptotalk campaign isn't recieving one that's, they're been managed on the forum.

From this thread => List of banned participants in the Cryptotalk Campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188200.0k) to here. I've been reading quite a bit(for me at least). A lot of threads are very informative, that I've been missing out on, that even I may be a Sr. Member Rank of this forum but doesn't really pay attention to something like this, or rather choose not to pay attention. Don't get me wrong I've been reading(re-reading) the rules of this forum, and I've been very careful not to disobey such rules. Tbh, I was thinking of creating a new thread just to express my experience after reading through this section (Meta, Trading Discussion etc.). But I realized that'll just gonna create another "spammy thread", so I decided to just post on this specific thread. As I am also wearing the signature of the said campaign.

And I wanna blatantly mention that I, DaftAjax, tried posting 20 constructive posts (I've challenged myself), and you can check my post history, and I can assure you that I did not burst post or spam. And on my experience the consequences of this challenge are brutal. Not only I have to be online for over half of the day(to prevent spamming/burst-posting), but also my body can't handle such a task (in this case, the task I put upon myself--a challenge) that on the very next day I've only posted 2 constructive posts because I've been resting the whole day.

Also maybe one of my biggest realization (at least for me) is that I'd rather just post "enough" (maybe 10 posts?) for this campaign than to harm/risk my account AND my health. Sure I might earn, some would say, easy money but at the risk of my account(?), it's not worth it.

P.S. And I really liked to keep a conversation alive AMAP, so you can see that most of my posts over the couple weeks were in the same-ish topics.

I am not sure if i should appreciate you on making 20 constructive posts or not, but i appreciate that you realized timely that making 20 good posts in a day is not possible.
I wonder how many more people are challenging themselves to make 20 posts daily and yet not getting tired.  :P

I can answer that: 19 (http://loyce.club/active/)!

I don't think Suchmoon is going to update list of Cryptotalk signature campaign participants. Suchmoon has moved the topic to Archival (I don't think Moderators have moved the topic) and there is no update since October 06.

Less than 2 hours ago: Cryptotalk signature campaign participants 2019-10-14 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5192872.0)

Archival is a nice dumping ground for long lists, I sometimes use that too.

You shouldn't be, I myself also regretted doing anything like that. Yeah, probably one of my greatest lessons as a member of this forum.

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Oof! That's a lot, and maybe last October 11th, I was in there too(the ones who posted 20+ posts). Well, technically, anyone can really do 20+ posts per day but I doubt its gonna be constructive/contributive every time, 'cause I'm gonna guess most of it are gonna be replies/answers from previous questions/quotations, continued discussion if you will. Tried it once, never gonna do it again.

You can actually, you would be surprised to see what are wages in third world country.

Here in India, labourers earn 200-300 INR for days work (about 8 hours)

I am sure making 20 posts a day is easier than whole days work and you earn more.

It all depends where you live and how you live.

I had to LOL at this for personal reasons.  He and I haven't exactly had the warmest, coziest relationship on the forum but I always thought he would have been good for the Chipmixer campaign.  Not because I agree with his posts, but he's certainly not a shitposter and his posts do get a lot of views.  Chipmixer would thus probably get their money's worth by having him in the campaign--but, not my decision. 

I also always thought that TECSHARE would have been on the wealthier side since he's been into bitcoin since the early days and wouldn't need to be in a campaign like Yobit's.  Funny the assumptions you can make about people on the internet, eh?

I don't know how much that amount of INR is relative to USD, and I'm too tired to google it, but your second statement leads me to believe that it isn't much.  I know shitting in the streets in India is a problem, but I didn't think the average wage would be so low.  All the Indians I've met in the US tend to be very smart and extremely hard working.  Makes me wonder why the country is so poor--probably the government, just like most other countries with depressed economies.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Apparently I am "too controversial" to advertise a mixer and gambling website. Do I need to join a campaign? No, but getting paid for something I am doing anyway is a no brainer.

On a side note...

https://i.imgur.com/LHpp18G.jpg

It makes about 2.8 - 4 USD but then things here are cheap as well. For example, you can buy many vegetables for under 40 Rs/kg (56 cents).

Street shitting in India is indeed a problem, government has also started initiatives to encourage people to build and use toilets. We also have garbage problem, our PM had tweeted about ban on single use plastics. I hope it gets implemented soon.

Most of our problems come from over population and lack of self-discipline (if you ever visit India, it will become obvious).

Those who can't tolerate these things, have means to move out, they fly away.

But according to suchmoon's stats  ;D ;D ;D ; ...there are only 5 people who have managed to get over 140posts in the last seven days. And I lost another bet, not all five of them are in the cryptotalk campaign...damn, I'm really bad at those.


There is an extra 0 in that. A family of 10 and each having 10 accounts, each posting 20 a day continuously?
2000 posts? Speaking again without having a clue that would be probably 1/2 or 1/3 of the entire campaign post count?


CH having a stroke in 3...2...

More than 500 participants in one campaign, so let someone say it's normal number to be managed by only one man and not to produce spam. Most of them did not earn even single merit, and it is funny to see "post per day" before and now, lots of zeros.

How long will it take for the number to reach 1000?

There's still so much shit coming from this campaign. Yahoo should talk with them to get them to implement some sort of button where the user has to be accepted by him first before they can earn. If it's still anyone can sign up and get paid immediately it's like opening up the floodgates to a flurry of shit and that's going to be unmanageable for anyone because it will never end.


Getting into bitcoin early can come with misconceptions. I know some people who were here long before me but they kinda blew their beans and sold all their coins at sub $1k. Some even sold most or all of their stash when it hit $100 or even much less. I sold quite a few coins at £1000 and would have had ten times as much if I'd have just waited a few months but I can't complain. Joining a signature campaign also comes with misconceptions (mostly from idiots). It always make me laugh when cryptocunter accuses people of being "broke bums" because they're on a campaign, which I always find ironic because calling people bums when they're earring money is kind of stupid but he needs some sort of ad hominem to try make his arguments. I don't care if I was a billionaire I would still have a signature campaign because I'm not going to throw money away. I don't "need" to be on a campaign but my earnings from this forum sure help me out a lot. Money I've made from this forum will ensure me that I don't ever need to get an extortionate mortgage which was always one of my goals when I got into bitcoin. If I was that rich though I'd probably just give it to charity. I've always admired the superrich people who donate most of their income once they become super wealthy. There's only so much money someone needs and if you're still hoarding wealth when you have hundreds of millions in the bank it becomes kinda of silly and pointless (though what people do with their own money is up to them and their business).


A lot of people live on less than a few dollars a day. Some people live on nothing, so getting paid even a dollar a post is very lucrative to many people (or however much yobit is paying), and lets be honest, would you rather earn money doing backbreaking work or earn the same or even more from making a few posts from the comfort of your own home or wherever they may be doing it from.

How he will talk to anybody when he is saying that YoBit is not responsible for anything but payment which is technically true, no one advertises that exchange. They made forum and force users to register on their exchange in order to get pay, the perfect way to advertise very shady exchange with hundreds of scam reports only on this forum.


I agree that the situation could have been even worse without any control, but we cannot say that it is much better even with some control. The only way to fix this situation is to force YoBit (if at all possible) to remove an automatic application and to reduce number of posts per day/week. But I am sure that will not do that, they have huge exposure and so far there is no official reaction from the forum staff.

Here is the post made by Yahoo62278 about 10 days ago.


There might be some changes in a near future. We should wait and see whether there will be some requirements or not.

I live in Pakistan which is a neighbor country to India and i can tell you the exact situation here.

1 USD can buy you around 71 INR in India
1 USD can buy you around 156 Rs in Pakistan
1 USD can you around 51 Peso in Philiphines

The average wage in our country is normal like yours, but if we convert our average wage in dollars and compare it with yours, it look like a tiny figure.
But then prices of things in our country (when converted to dollar) are also less than your country.

Its only the conversion rate which makes a bit confusion else people are earning good who have good jobs and business in our region too.
Why these people countrymen feel pride to work in US and other European countries because they are paid in Dollars and Euro and when they convert those Dollars to their local currencies, this turns out to be an handsome amount of money.

All this is not related to cryptotalk but since you asked this question here, i thought to shed some light on it.

For now @ yahoo, still able to serve yobit participants with the rules he made at this time: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188200.0

Not a few yobit participants are kicked, but this does not prevent other participants to entering, for the sake of the dollar.

I don't think water dams and hurricanes that hit the Forum can now be banned, unless stopped.

Many forum members today help @yahoo in eradicating spamer, without expecting rewards from the yobit manager.

As happened in local Pilipinas and lndonesia.
Local pilipinas and indonesian mods have to work hard in holding flood water dams at this time again in the lunge in the Philippines and indonesia.

Local: Pilipinas (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=219.0)
Local: Altcoins Pilipinas (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=243.0)
Local: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5192243.0
Local: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5189873.60

This is the same for Indonesian locales, currently hit by floods and hurricanes.

Local: Altcoins lndonesia (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=192.0)
Local: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5032757.500
Local: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5163472.80

If, the flow of water on the opponent of all the anchors will be broken.
One way to wait for the water to run out, finished the problem.

Yobit introducing a minimum merit earned would be the best approach if we are to prevent spambots from joining the campaign and I would like to make sure that people understand that there are good posters in this campaign and we aren't all abusing the system. I haven't posted in a couple of days and I'm not looking to abuse the campaign. Its just something that I get paid when I do post and don't have to worry about reaching a minimum post count.

Its an off topic but I just wanted TP to know why.

Only reason is Population,almost they are hitting 1.5 billion and expected to hist the first place of most populated country in the near future since China have lot of laws related to birth control.

But India is where we can get more smart people at cheapest price that is why Indians found every corners of this world and also some sitting as most salaried jobs in the world as well.

I've actually noticed more quality posters in Yobit's campaign. Once more and more spammers get banned, the remaining users start standing out.
I've offered Yobit a free list of Merit earned by each user (http://loyce.club/Merit/userID_merit.txt), that would be very easy to use as a first filter and save them a ton of money they now pay to spammers. But they don't seem to care.

If yobit were to clean up themselves and implement a better signature criteria system, I'm sure most users won't mind joining their campaign but the current reputation the campaign has it what's preventing most users from association themselves with the signature campaign. There are some areas of the campaign which is quite encouraging as they don't have a minimum post requirement or mandating participants to post xx amount of post in certain board which is quite fair to the participants as it gives them the freedom to express themselves, the way they deem fit.

On this topic; {Facts} Benefits of promoting (joining) a quality paid signature campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5128076.0). If you read through that thread, you will understand why some individuals has decided to abstain from patronizing the signature campaign irrespective of the pay rate. Yobit should work on implementing a quality criteria to attract quality contributors and also work on improving their customer services.

No campaign should allow 20 posts per day.

I also expect the percentage of high-quality posters to increase as Yahoo26678 is banning spammers.

I made a compassion between first list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190565.0) and second list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5192872.0) of Suchmoon.  

Merits earned by each of participants on average:
First list: 24.6
Second list: 27.8

The percentage of participants who have not earned any merit:
First list: 37.1%
Second list: 37.2%

The percentage of participants who have earned less than 10 merits:
First list: 70.6%
Second list: 70.1%

The percentage of participants who have earned more than 100 merits:
First list: 5.2%
Second list: 6.2%

I find it amusing that yahoo gets triggered the moment his own members start spamming on the thread :D

Gotta be stress af when you have to handle multiple campaigns.

They should have implemented a selection process, rather than a free for all system. Spammers would still give out low quality content if the maximum was reduced, but if the list was filtered the posts would not be as bad.
They want to go with an aggressive marketing system, prioritizing quantity over quality.

Well if that's the case and he can't get on top of it he should just walk away and not associate his name with it. The campaign would probably be blacklisted like the last yobit one was if nothing changes and the spam can't be curbed. It's clearly overwhelming right now and they came here with the intention to run their campaign exactly like the last one which is baffling to me.


It's of course a problem when people are forcing them to do that many but what would be the problem with 20 quality posts? People used to far more than that back in the day including me. Even on Chipmixer now people who are doing the max 50 posts a week are probably doing around ten a day. The issue, as it has always been, is just the quality of the posts rather than the quantity and when the campaigns have little to no management or are unlimited then that's when we quickly run into issues and abuse.


It's a job like any other, but people shouldn't be taking on more than they can handle.

First of all, I appreciate the effort, but I think this comparison has flaws, or rather I think it's not accurate. Considering that the manger, yahoo62278, bans a lot of users almost every day, the number of participants is not the same as the first list from the second list. We also might want to consider, some participants (before the ban) might've gained merits from who-knows-where.

But then again I could be wrong, I've only based this from the data you presented.

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I've heard it was the same method as their past campaign, so it's kinda expected. It's also a good thing I think because many users are getting banned. But yahoo62278 is only but a one-man, and this is not the only campaign he manages but still able to do such a very good job, so props to him.

Yes, the number of participants in the first list and the second one are different. Based on what Suchmoon provided, the first list includes 439 participants and the second one includes 516 participants. (Yahoo bans some participants every day, but every day, some new participants join the campaign too.
As you see I calculated the percentage of participants with different ranges of merits.  

Thank you for the fast response.

I'm mistaken. I thought it was a peer (to peer) comparison, and I also thought the numbers (in %) presented are the improvements of the second list from the first list. That's why I've argued it wasn't accurate because the number of participants from both lists is different.

I apologize, now I understand. The numbers that are presented from both lists are stand-alone and do not directly correlate with each other. It's just the comparison of earned Merit by participants from both lists.

By this, we can vaguely tell that the campaign is on the process of filtration--filtration of quality posters to spammers (if that makes sense).

This Cryptotalk campaign surely offers lucrative payment compared to the other BTC paid campaigns at the moment. I confess that I was tempted at first, plus with boss yahoo involvement, make it more appealing. However, I realized that if this campaign successfully sucks people out of the Bitcointalk community to the Cryptotalk. It means that what I have done here becomes pointless since I have to build an account there from noobs, getting harassed, etc.

No thanks, I would rather here with this community, even with the game-protect who consistently "entertains" the gamblers.

Nothing says you can't denounce the same banner you have in your sig;  just below the sig.    I successfully used a modified signature for years when with the yoshit campaign.

You would have to be stupid to use cryptotalk instead;   besides;  that place is gonna be a shitpost cesspool that people post on purely for a payment.... it will be short lived I believe.

Yes, no one says that. But that's the very definition of a hypocrite. Why would you even join the campaign then? Why would you even wear the very signature of the campaign? If you're just to denounce it, it doesn't make sense.


I don't really have a reason to denounce the campaign as this is my first time joining. You're right tho, it really does fill with people who are purely doing it for the payment. As for me, since I'm doing something that I liked to do (mostly reading through the shitiest, most informative, most hilarious threads of this forum; AND sharing what I know), might as well earn something. It's helping me a lot, not only financially but also in gaining knowledge, especially with Bitcoin and cryptocurrency in general. Heck, I'm learning even more about this forum.

I joined the Cryptotalk campaign yesterday (because it's too good for me not to take advantage of! - and like Heisenberg_Hunter said, the fact it is not gambling-related removes any moral qualms), and I will say that I have noted so far there is a ton of crap posts from people. Low quality stuff that shows that they pretty much just skimmed the OP of the thread, which converts into posts that normally read something like "Wow, great opportunity, Bitcoin will really benefit from this".

It's a big shame because it makes reading a reasonable proportion of threads on this forum a complete pain. I go on Bitcointalk to find interesting discussions, I'll only ever post on something that genuinely interests me, every once in a while I'll make a thread on projects that I'm working on (e.g. CryptoSamaritan in the past), etc. Signature campaigns are a nice bonus and my view is, if it's there I might as well take advantage of it, but my view is it's supposed to be a complement to what you already do on the forum. But when you're offering as much as the campaigns do right now, you get swamped by posters from countries where that money goes a lot further, and it becomes a job for them.

It's a shame. From what I've seen yahoo does a very good job of managing it, it's not his fault that the posters can be pretty rubbish sometimes - more just to do with the rules of the campaign.

I know you are a participant with high integrity, you don't need to say it. ;D ;D

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Almost all of the threads that I saw were posters from cryptotalk. But not all of them are junk posters, many of them also continue to maintain the quality of posts like you. Humans are unique and diverse, so understand their shortcomings and improve the quality of self. Money is more valuable to those who need it, but not the same as those who have no priority here. Many cryptotalk posters are former prize hunters for ICO, IEO, STO and others. I'm sure the Campaign Manager can work well, not many people doubt it. So I think, take this opportunity and maintain the quality of posts and don't make 20 posts per day even if you can.

I agree on you on most part of it but if we remove all or rather filter the posts of cryptotalk signature participants will you see all good and sensible posting?  or we are only interested to do the strict audit for the cryptotalk participants and be lenient with others.

hypocrite?  no...

Just because someone pays you to wear an advert;  in no way says you believe in their product or endorse it.   (Citing example being many TV AD/product campaigns/advertisements; pick any.. just because the lettered broadcaster broadcast it;  doesnt mean they support or approve of it [whatever 'it' may be];  they are simply paid to display 'it'.)

There are lengthy threads out there with attacks on me;  for a displayed link....  while in the outright I clearly stated my rationale and intentions behind everything.


I'm not saying all of the new posters here will be of the caliber I commented earlier;  but the method of this campaign and who controls it (from yoshit):  breeds a bad percentage of unwanted garbage;  not to mention the shady behind the curtains actions and business model they run.

I can understand the need for anonymity,  but in many respects: this is not the type of business that should be run the way they do.

It's not about singling out cryptotalk, any campaign that has limits as high as the cryptotalk campaign has should have extra audits associated with it.

I think that the idea of others with a minimum of received merit is a good idea. For instance saying that you need a minimum of 25 merit received to participate would work quite well. If you're going to have limits as high as they have (20/day) then you really need something like that to ensure that the posts aren't trash. Clearly it can work - I can put out 20 posts a day fairly easily due to typing speed and have them all be high quality, because I only post on things I find genuinely interesting.

25 merits would be too much. You being a good poster have received only 4 merits in last 120 days. There is no rainfall of merit that we make the requirement too much for any campaign.



Even all the spammers say this but in reality no one can do it except a few and who knows, you might be one of them  ;)

I only started posting again after a hiatus 3 days ago. So 4 merits in 3 days. If you put effort into posts and aren't posting trash then I would expect a normal user to be able to achieve 25 merits definitely within 3 months of them joining the forum.

I have no problem with someone who has just joined the forum being expected to wait 3 months before joining signature campaigns - it means that they are here to contribute content rather than just to make a quick buck off signature campaigns that their associates told them about. I've seen a decent few posts recently that just copy paste articles or latch onto a keyword from the OP without addressing the actual topic, clearly made to just farm posts for a signature/bounty campaign, and there's a big problem with this being tackled on the forum in general.

My personal opinion is that there should be a minimum merit earned for all campaigns. Definitely at least 10.