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After starting a serious discussion with the users of the forum about what should be done to prevent spam as well as unwanted bans and seeing some fellow members expressing their views, I decided to write this out as I couldn't resist.

Dear Yobit (or Cryptotalk) Officials,
I want to ask you some questions and share some suggestions herewith to make you know what kind of shitposting is still being carried on here.

Were any steps taken or research done on why your previous campaign failed and got banned here?

Would you mind if a participant of your campaign who is not happy at all, wants to suggest you some changes? And if you are open to suggestions, will you just hear them from one ear and throw it out of the other or you will give a damn, look out for the possible changes and work that change here?

Why don't you guys:
+ Add more rules to the campaign?

+ Limit the boards so that the users don't shitpost everywhere 'this is for those who do', even if they do then that will be for their own interest sake and this will show how much balls they have got to post for free!

+ Set max limits to 10 instead of 20? Yahoo is proposing 5 but I think 10 is fine because there are many competitive campaigns that pay well to their users for less number of posts and those interested in the good of forum will not spam and deserving posts should be paid

+ Set a minimum merit requirement for each member type trying to join and remain in the campaign?

+ Decide that a fixed set of users will only be able to join this campaign? For example, set a fixed amount for Sr, Hero and Legendary spots?

+ Set a fixed post limit instead? Or even if with Max posts per day, can't you increase the pay? That'd only let high quality users remain in the campaign. I have seen many campaigns paying even BTC0.015 or higher with just 25 posts taking the pay per post to around BTC0.0006

+ Can't you follow for e.g. Yolodice? Well I selected them because you both begin with the word Yo)

Give Sr BTC0.00025 and Hero/Legendary BTC0.00035 per post? If you have a higher budget, you can go for even more ;)

10 posts per day (my proposal) * BTC0.00025 Sr member rate * 7 days of a week = BTC0.0175

10 posts per day (my proposal) * BTC0.00035 Hero/Legendary member rate * 7 days of a week = BTC0.0245

Or less pay per post or keep it the same.

@yahoo62248,
You cannot really ban and stop a lot of users here because that will be a huge workload on your side. Why can't yobit set limits for boards to post in? They can, if there are some local posts restrictions, there can be more.
Another thing based on my personal opinion, you cannot ask us to make n number of posts because you think that's fair, until Yobit implements the same as there may be users who post well and deserve to be paid well, it's just that they were not lucky enough to get themselves a seat in a high paying campaign for less posts. Rather, I had a request here that instead of banning people from campaigns, why can't you decide which posts should/should not be counted for? Let Yobit not pay us for at least 48-72 hours even after our earnings get credited there! Is that much time sufficient for you to decide what should we be paid for? I mean if that is possible for you at the very first place. So at least this won't stop a user from posting any number of posts daily based on their interest and not just to earn that buck.

All those suggestion seems good but they want to hear this?

Its again like beating a dead horse,they won't hear anything neither add more rules too because they want more exposure about the thing they wanted to promote,only good thing done by them is quality checker it is also to prevent them from being banned again.

Better invite the yobit bitcointalk official to post here via PM.

I want good not just for their project alone, but for our forum and fellow users too. So to stop all the shit going, once and for all, let's do this, raise our voice and make them as well as our fellow users hear what we have to say, and follow at least something out of it.


Done, thanks for this suggestion. I don't get it how I forgot to take this step. :)

It's clear that Yobit doesn't care. In fact, I believe that they are purposely accepting hundreds of users to transform this forum into a cesspool of spammers.

No signature campaign needs hundreds of users to be posting in every section/thread of this forum. I am wondering how they even pay them as the cost of maintaining the campaign runs extremely high. It's not that Yobit has been generating so much profit that they can easily afford it. At one point a large group of users will probably end up without pay because Yobit decides that it was enough. ::)

We forgot that this is not for promoting yobit exchange,this is for promoting a new cryoto forum so I guess there are some people want to create a forum like bitcointalk so they are investing heavily from their hand.

Cryptotalk forum also may end up like ICO forum which came up with high ETH rewards now they were offline because there is no actual discussion on those forum people were just running to make posting rewards.

Nobody from Yobit is listening. I'm just glad someone (Yahoo) is here to keep an eye on things and liaise with them.


10 is great but 5 is better. It's pretty out of control right now. Cutting out a super majority of the spam -- rather than half -- seems more appropriate.

10 or even 5 posts would be fine with me. I rarely ever even hit 10 a day anyways. But, it seems their site is having a lot more problems right now than this signature campaign that they have to deal with. It just went down for me and is showing a default Apache page whenever I try to load it. I hope all is well. I've tried checking their Twitter and don't see any news on anything. Hopefully they're just upgrading the server and nothing serious has happened. I've got a small amount of funds on there and am kind of worried. Anyone know anything?

dude "Yobit Officials" never read or reply to their personal messages, barely visit their own topics and barely answer their numerous scam accusations all over the forum. not to mention they also barely answer support tickets in their exchange. your topic's audience is only going to me regular members of the forum :P

their goal is clear too. they want to spend least amount of money and time, hire the maximum number of people to get the most number of spam posts to get the maximum exposure. all your suggestions are good but are against their goal!

I read they closed new registration on the yobit so this maybe an issue for new user but you already have one you may not be facing this.

I've been using Yobit for years. That has nothing to do with it. It seems like it's a DNS issue. I can load it up just fine on my 4g LTE cell service. But, on my pc, I just get the default Apache page and 404 errors if I try to go to any links. Don't think this has anything to do with being a new user. It's probably something to do with Cloudflare if I had to guess.

If you are expecting Yoshit officials to respond to your topic then you are living in a fool's paradise. Optimism is a good thing, I agree, but optimism without logic is a waste of time and energy.

The fact that only few of the Cryptotalk participants will read this and maybe change their ways of posting is the only thing that would be good. The rest of them will either get blacklisted by yahoo, or get banned on too many posts removed or simply caught to be an alt of some red-trusted user.

You should visit this cryptotalk forum once a while and check at the immense level of shitposting to get paid that is occurring there. No number of moderators can control it, which having to tear all the hair from their heads to start cleaning the mess up. I am sure Yoshit does nothing about that too.

Just think a little: do they have any interest in keeping high quality at bitcointalk, or it suits them better if bitcointalk fills up with spam and low quality posts?
Imho the only case they'll move a finger is if their campaign is risking a ban or anything.

There is no Crypto/yobit staff who will answer on this OP thread because since start they will never care about the forum. Even though a lengthy of the post they can't control this even if the participants bump a post, still it is counted. Just like one of their participants admit it here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188047.msg52773377#msg52773377).

I agree with 5-10 posts per day max in every participant, that was a good decision to cut flood spam in the forum. Those accounts continue spamming I think their accounts are ready to throw away if ever they will ban.

You have a good intention but it all goes down to what Yobit wants to accomplish, they are promoting a forum that wants to get optimize in a short period of time, and you know what? they are actually hitting the target

https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/cryptotalk.org#trafficstats
#170,824
in global internet engagement
11:54
Daily Time on Site

Just last week they are on the 1 million mark, maybe next month they will be om the 50 mark on the way to 20k mark and so the competition begins between Yobit's Cryptotalk and Bitcointalk, soon many ICO and Yobit themselves will advertise on their forum.

I've seen the Yobit account respond. They did take the suggestion that a campaign manager can ban users from the campaign for violations. So they will be reading this.

The average campaign at this time has a fixed weekly limit of 25. 25 per week. So 25 paid posts per week. That's only 3 or 4 a day, and 5 a day if you don't post on weekends.

Really?

Cryptotalk will be an alternative to bitcointalk?

If there is no rewards for posting on cryptotalk then there will be no more visitors so they have to keep paying all the days if they want to maintain this traffic.

Right, even majority of this community do say that they arent responding or doesnt read up but they actually did recently.

People suggested on having a campaign manager and they did and now if all will talk about this kind of request then they might consider on adding it up and it will be more
be considered if the manager of this campaign will seconded on said suggestion.High chances there would be some overhaul when it comes to post count required.

But they pay daily... There is another possibility. Yobit's pockets are deeper than you thought and they actually make profits by hiring these posters.

@Op have you tried posting these questions in Cryptotalk forum itself? or you just doing it here for obvious reason (getting paid). there is higher chance that they read your questions in their own forum and reply to it too. I see Moderators are replying there. I am not sure how much those moderators are officials tho. they could be very officials or they could be third persons hired by Yobit to moderate the forum.

of course they are making profits. why would they spend so much money if they don't make profit. Yobit is a pretty large exchange. they have lots of issues including trust issues. but still thousands of people trade their on daily bases.

OP, you have some good ideas, but the main problem is that Yobit simply don't care. Yahoo probably communicate with Yobit staff and I'm sure that he already suggested how to improve campaign - adding merit requirements, adding manual approval of participants or reducing number of max posts per day. If Yobit would care a little bit about quality of their campaign, some change would been made long time ago.

Exactly, when Yobit will stop paying for posts in Cryptotalk, this website immediately will turn into ghost forum.

Are you going to build a house and after building it and paying huge money, you are going to leave it, of course, they have a long term plan for this, traffic and content  is all that matter in any website, once they have it they need to continue because what they are creating will have a huge impact on their business and they need a forum to sustain all the business they are going to run.
Answer me this what has this forum Bitcointalk supported? of course all the coins in existence, Yobit has a long term plan and it just happens that all their plans start here.  

Your comparision looks awful by the way.

Do you think people posting on cryptotalk for anything other than getting those few satoshis?

Bitcointalk supported by lot of crypto enthusiast,well knowledgeable members which is the reason why every projects want to create their ANN in bitcointalk and they even spending their money to advertise here on bitcointalk.

I see Yobit is trying to fetch all the traffic from Bitcointalk to Cryptotalk and get some advertisers there once they get enough users to work for those few Satoshis. But I think they may do the opposite by starting to pay higher compared to Bitcointalk, because when enough members will join there and start making stupid posts but will still be paid for the same, many good users of this forum will also join there and this will become a beehive where they will get attracted by higher pay than what they are paying here and stop their campaign here completely. This will create a difference and them to become an alternative, not so soon but competition is possible because they have money to spend.

I did visited cryptotalk few times but never find anything informative as bitcoitalk that is why I said there is no actual discussion going and also I doubt recognized people of bitcointalk will join on cryptotalk but we may see their names but it doesn't mean they are same person from here.

^ I did not visit that site and I am not interested, have you noticed a topic that copy/pasted from here in Bitcointalk? I feel and doubt there is a flood of spams happens there because people jump in that forum and after the reward not the quality of their post. I hope there's nothing going scam account from here if they are registered the same account and password in Bitcointalk. Let's just wait at what point they are going to survive.

I didn't found any plagiarized post because I am not good at finding it but there is no rules against plagiarism there and people got paid for 200 plus posts a day which can be a sign that most people were doing plagiarism to get 1000 satoshis.

If you had a bot that copied all your posts from here to there, at a rate of whatever was the maximum per day, ... ... it's not plagiarism if you originally posted it here, then simply copied it there, is it? You'd have between 5000 to 7000 posts which is good for several months or years, ... as long as they kept paying.

They are supposed to pay 30 posts per day on cryptotalk but there was a bug in that but now yobit altered it so no matter how much posts were posted they will get only for 30 posts per day.But they also have another contest which is for most posts by a person until end of this month and the rewards for it will be one 1 BTC,so there are already some people might started doing it to grab that reward.

That BTC1 to the highest number of posts made by a poster looks like an attractive bait to bring in more spammers and no matter what they post, they will get paid for all their 30 posts 'as I never saw any complaints about anyone not getting paid for a single post till they reach up to their 30 posts mark'. They have wrapped up a group of shitposters and they know that, it's like watching them shitposting while keeping their forum still active, there are possibilities for reputed members of this forum to get jammed there for some time while trying to take the level up and like I told, Yobit would consider increasing the pay per post or find advertisers to do that. Their users cannot and will not discuss topics from here to there because if they shift it there, they might get good replies there but will not earn something they can earn here so they will not try to waste their time doing that part unless they have a bot. I don't know if there are any rules for burstposting or not but if there aren't, then these users have got the jackpot of their life.

What if they plagiarize posts from bitcointalk from a reputed forum member's post history,they might even create an account with the same name as bitcointalk so it won't count as plagiarism.They have any rules to overcome this issue?

Even if there are rules against burstposting, the bot can just be programmed to post in random 30 to 50 minute intervals throughout the whole day. They'd get their 30 posts in 24 hours.

Im thinking up on this possibility too but this would be applicable if that someone will just consider out on making an own topic to be copied because it is not possible just plagiarize anytime from Btt reputable account because not all topics would be the same from here to there.So it would still need a selection on which one he would used up but this kind of method does really work for their accounts to look good and not spammy.How they would moderate it up? It would depend on how mods will handle such situation.

I can't comment on how the moderation part is going on over there but I am sure about something, they are allowing spam there so plagiarism may also be allowed 'probably' and if it is, then like I told, it shows they are just trying to gather a lot of users just to keep their forum active while trying to get advertisers for the forum to advertise their low-quality adverts on Cryptotalk forum. While they never cared about the spam the users did here while being in their campaign before (and even now), I don't think they give a damn to the users on their own forum making shitposts and also getting paid for it till they are active and keeping the forum active too as Cryptotalk is paying shit against what they are paying for a campaign here right now.

Finally there is a change. :o


Do you guys this will make any changes to the spam they were creating? Yahoo mentioned he still looking them to add merit requirements.

It's much better than before and if yahoo convinces them to add merit requirements then it will be another step towards betterment.
Though, posting limit change is a big step by Yobit which never happened before since the start of Yobit's sig campaigns if I'm not wrong, at least I haven't seen since 2016 (I was a participant in 2016).

Now half spam to deal with if any spammers left in this campaign. Cleaning (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188200.0) work is going on without a stop, you know that.

Why not? Self-plagiarism is still plagiarism. They'd be flushing their money down the drain if they knowingly allowed people to do that. I imagine they eventually want to have an active forum of people not coming there to post just for the money.

Yes I am aware of cleaning spammers from yobit and 10 posts per day is also a good and convincing but their rules are still making them to be spammers even if they are's spammers so they should add merit requirement along with restricted boards for paying.

You are correct. They'd have to cite themselves. Could be done semi-automatically still. But if not, it's just a full time job for someone to go over a bunch of posts and quote them over there. Would require more work but I'm sure someone is going to try it. They should just post normally, for similar effort they'd get paid and not banned.

Not totally because that 10 post per day limit is way more better than having that 20 max post per day which it did cut in half.
So making up some simple math then its 70 post per week on maximum.Its just nearly the max of Chipmixer campaign but the big
difference here is that they do accept unlimited participants which still a big problem.Merit requirement is a must.

Once they hit some limit (which we don't know about) they will simply close registration to new participants and only retain existing participants.

That's a lot of shitposting by the way but I would prefer what yahoo want, a maximum of 5 post per day. But the problem is that none of them is giving some attention to their own thread or even on their PMs. So I doubt making some suggestions here would be beneficial to all.

5 per day is still 35 per week, so that's 10 more than most other campaigns except for a select few. If it's counted per day and not per week, since they use an automated system, then we won't get spammers who do 35 posts on the last day, as only 5 will count on that day.

But things changes,last update on their banned list was today so people who were spamming and breaking rules are being banned so in a week or two the participants will be more filtered and only good participants might stay for long run.