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Almost all of the topics made about Cryptotalk campaign are blaming Yobit and participants of its campaign. Here I opened a thread about some good participants of Crpytotalk signature campaign.

Managers usually don’t accept the users who have been inactive for a while before the campaign. But these kind of users were able to join Cryptotalk signature campaign however they can be banned by Yahoo62278 if they spam. Cryptotalk signature campaign has been a good opportunity for those who say "Please accept me, I will be active and make high-quality posts." to prove themselves.
Sooner or later, Cryptotalk campaign will end. There are some users who won’t be able to join other campaigns and as they only make posts for money, they will leave the forum again. But there are some users who are using this opportunity, try to be helpful to forum, make constructive posts and earn money as well. These users will likely remain in the forum after Cryptoytalk campaign ends.

Here are some good users that woke up after a long time, but they are good users.

1. DiamondCardz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=55122)
This user has 9 positive trusts. But he hadn’t made any posts form April 1, 2018 to October 17, 2019. He couldn’t join any campaign other than Cryptotalk. Now he is an active user and has earned 24 merits only in 5 days. He will likely remain in the forum and join other campaigns after Cryptoalk campaign ends.
(This link (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996318.msg52786500#msg52786500) was added due to DiamondCardz request.)

2. abel1337 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=156391)
This user was inactive from December 29, 2018. He joined joined Cryptotalk signature campaign and earned 24 merits.

3. npredtorch (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=546617)
Only 14  posts from August 1, 2018 to September 26, 2019. Earned 40 merits from October 04, 2019

4. teosanru (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=137767)
He hadn’t made any posts on the forum from April 22, 2019. He couldn’t join any campaign other than Cryptotalk.
He joined Cryptotalk signature campaign and earned 16 merits.

5. akamit (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=782831)
No post from July 24, 2019 to October 02, 2019 (only 1 post in September). Earned 15 merits in 11 days.

6. th3nolo  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=870608)
Not a regular poster before Cryptotalk campaign. Only 8 posts in July 2019, 4 posts in August, But very active from September 28 and earned 15 merits after October 5.

7. Deathwing (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=111872)
This user is active mostly in Turkish board. No post from April 21, 2018 to October 11, 2019. Earned 26 merits in 8 days.

8. coupable (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=463354)
Not a regular poster before Cryptotalk campaign. Only 3 posts in June 2019, 7 posts in July, 4 posts in August but very active form September 28. This user is active mostly in Arabic board and has earned 31 merits after September 28.

Thanks mate 🙂
Your words really warms my heart 💚💚
Yes I was't that active (by posting) before joining the campaign, but i was always here (almost daily) reading different topics here and there. In fact, am in old love with this forum and with many profiles here and i invite everybody to enjoy it in a safe way.
I joined two great campaigns before, one managed by Lauda and the other by Darkstar, i learned from them how to be a good forum user ☺️
Let me ask you something; did you find just 8 recently awakened quality posters from over 500 participants? 😮 What about other quality posters? Many good posters, afaik ,migrated from other campaigns to cryptotalk signature as you can see actual opened slots in major campaigns.

I have noticed that huge amount of good poster joining cryptotalk lately. So many self made ranked manager also there including scam buster. I didn't bothered to open thread since there was lot of thread about cryptotalk. Main reason is, lack if high payment signature campaign. There is very less amount of campaign who are paying high. So due to lack of open spot some good poster not getting chances there. So they are joining on cryptotalk campaign. I am agree with that there should be some good poster in order to reduce spam. Because I have seen cryptotalk participants reporting each others of there is spam.


Most interesting part for me is, once you will bump a too old thread, then within couple of minutes you will just see only cryptotalk signature on your thread ;D. But I see there is also some good poster which post mean something. But overall honest review is, we can't change world even we change ourself. This forum is same like, we can't prevent spam even we change ourself. The only solution is removed signature totally but it would not happen. I am pretty sure remove signature totally will cause decay forum.

I focused only on users who were inactive before they join Cryptotalk signature campaign and earned at least 10 merits after they joined they campaign. I excluded those who were active before and had earned huge number of merits before the campaign.

A little improvement.
This is actually position number 1.

DiamondCardz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=55122), for this member is more suitable.

I edited the OP.  DiamondCardz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=55122) has 9 positive trusts not teosanru (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=137767). It was my bad.
DiamondCardz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=55122) is a trusted user who was inactive for more than a year, but earned 24 merits only in 5 days.
Only 43 posts from June 28 to 2016 to April 1, 2018,
No post from April 2, 2018 to October 15, 2019
79 posts from October 16, 2019 till now and 24 earned merits.

Earned-merits or trust points are not determinant factors for post quality of posters. They are only one of componental factors and they serve as supplementary inclusive factors for poster's quality assessment. Generally, to assess post quality of one user, readers have to consider lots of things:
- Most important thing is average quality of posts: by checking post history. Without statistics on earned-merits. For example, if we assume that statistics disabled by admin, we all can assess post quality through post history.
- Total earned-merits. They are important, just behind average post quality over post history. Good posters tend to receive significant merits in total, over time. That statistic give us a quick overview on post quality of posters. Then next step will be checking whole post history or at least very recent posts.
I meant if there are two users with nearly same earned merits, we have to look at post history to see how different their post qualities are.  It is clearly that readers can flip between two things: post history and earned merits, in orders of priority. There is nothing wrong because at the ends, readers have to combine two things in order to have a final overview on post quality of posters.
We should not totally rely on earned merits.
- Trust points (that are a little bit unncessary because trust was initially designed for exchanges, not post quality). However, somehow readers can take a quick look at trust points, and feedbacks, and use them as supplemental factors.

Earned merit would be at the very top of the list when assessing someone's post quality. Earned merits means more than total merit as a lot of users got free merit for having over a certain amount of activity. In fact, I would think that a lot of users here disregard total amount of merit, and look at how much the user has earned in the last 120 days. Of course, is is combined with taking a look at their post history personally, but is normally the #1 indicator that someone is posting good quality content.

OP you were faster than me. I noticed a handful of quality posters from the Yobit campaign who make positive contributions and wanted to make a similar thread, highlighting their posts and not the campaign itself. I think it is a good thing that there are at least a few members who know what they are talking about and are trying to be helpful.   

Well-done, sometimes we get too carried away that we forget to look at the bright side of every situation. The signature industry in regards to participants getting an opportunity to promote a campaign is a very competitive one and just as you have highlighted cryptotalk have given an opportunity to those won't aren't spammers per se but luck haven't been on their side like others in regards to getting merited for then to have higher chances in getting accepted in paid bitcoin campaigns.

We have some very decent posters in the campaign and I'm quite sure no one is against them promoting Cryptotalk. I believe the issue here isn't about what's been promoted instead how it's been promoted. The fight per se is against spammers and not the decent forum members.

A lot of members were suggesting ways of keeping older members and who would have thought that a campaign hated by most would be a contributing factor of getting old substantial members back to the forum. However the Yobit campaign has 500 participants and I would say only around 50 of those are substantial. If there is any hope in the yobit campaign from continuing on the forum I think a lot of members should be removed still. Theymos is probably looking at the campaign closely.  

Yobit look to be listening to the majority of members here on the forum and probably have had some input from Yahoo. They have cut the maximum post count in half and I think a maximum merit requirement will soon be introduced with Yahoo pushing it. That should cut down the total participants to only a small few and I invite that change as currently how it stands I think the campaign would eventually be banned and theymos might take a look at the signature campaigns as a whole being banned on the forum.

Would be appreciated if you also noted that I recently verified my staked address (see profile) to prove I wasn’t hacked. In case anyone else has any doubts (cause obviously private keys can be sold!), I can verify using ID that correlates to my physical address given to other members of this forum in the past :) Happy to do that for anyone on DT1.

^^ To be fair, adding onto that, I’ve also had recent discussions with other old bitcointalk members and showed knowledge of stuff from years and years ago that is pretty much unfakeable ;)

I didn’t come back because of Yobit, though, I came back and just happened to see its signature campaign.

In Turkish section, this was pretty much what I was pushing for. No matter how low you drop the maximum post amount per day, there are still people who do not really pay attention to that and continue to spam the forum. Even when the maximum post was 20 posts per day, there were still people who were posting about 40. Just random stuff, replying to threads without even reading the original post, making their reply senseless and gibberish. Unless there is a minimum merit requirement to join a campaign and/or minimum merit earned in X days, I believe this trend is going to continue. As Welsh has mentioned previously, merit is one of the most important factors to take into account when trying to comprehend whether an account is trustable, reputable, sharing informative posts etc.

Yes because people are always going to post more just in case some of their posts don't get counted. At least that is what I think the mentality of these members is. I would say that the merit earned should be on a weekly basis and have a requirement that their posts need to have 1 merit every 5 to 10 posts to be able to carry on in the campaign. I would agree with both of you and say earned merit is the best way to judge an account the only issue with that is because I only have 602 merit and if my activity and posts were above 500 people might assume that I started off as a hero member and have only earned 602 merit because they can't check beyond the last 120 days. That is the only problem I see when judging someones earned merit. There are websites and statistics posted around the forum to show earned merit but its not immediately obvious when looking at someones profile and I think I would like that added to the forum.

You'll see that on many boards. A user suddenly keeps making new threads, discuss one or two things, went out of topic and prolonged the discussion just to increase the post count. Asking little things or adding a new point that was not necessary at all.

I tried to report as many as I can but the rate of spam is way too much. At least not every participant did that.

I agree with what you wrote, we all know how easy it is to abuse merit system, especially those who owned few high ranked alt accounts and get a few hundred of sMerits at the very beginning. What to do when you see some one-line post completely irrelevant get 30 or 50 merits, and some others (including me) need to post maybe 50 quality posts to get the same number of merits.

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Back to the OP and his list, if he was able to find only 8 good posters from Cryptotalk campaign, and a week ago there was 500+ of them active, this only show that we are even far from 10% of them worth something. In the case of a normal campaign with selection, most good campaign managers would not accept more than 50 of them, which would be quite a sufficient number of participants.

I get the point you are trying to make but these members listed here are those that were not active and have returned because of the signature campaign. There are many members in the campaign that are good posters and even better posters than some in other campaigns but they get drowned out by  the spammers in the signature. Introducing the merit requirement would reduce this significantly and would probably benefit Yobit now that they have had their mass exposure they could refine their reputation by only including those that are substantial merit earners.

I disagree that merits are easy to earn though and its as simple as making 50 quality posts to get 50 merits. If that was true we would see a lot more members that have ranked up but that is not true. We are seeing members who have been here a long time make hundreds of posts every month and not earn a single merit.

Sometimes, merits are easy to earn, sometimes are very difficult to earn.

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Merits and merit-received posts are quality enough and deserve merits or not are very controversy problem, somehow endless one.
We all know that sometimes merits used as a tool to show agreement. It is surely opposite to what theymos wanted merits should be used.
Anyway, it is the fact in the forum, and there are hundreds of posts received merits that way, but the important thing is nobody will judge such posts are merit-abusing posts.
To judge posts which received merits are merit-abusing, lots of things should be considered before making any kinda causal inference.
I know there are lots of users received hundreds of merits for their posts in WO (Wall Observer) topic, but I will never call them as merit abusers.
If you notice, most of them don't wear signatures (paid ones, I meant). So they don't get any kinda benefits, especially financial benefits from any merit they got.

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I can not disagree with you. There is nobody pointed out that Yobit already reduced the maximum of daily post-cap to 10 for Cryptotalk's signature campaign. They likely do this due to their limited funds for that campaign, or that forum basically achieved early results that they expected at the beginning or they really listened to complaints from the community.

Makes me wonder if it's the other way around. YoBit is paying people so good posters who might not have been motivated before now are.

I know the last time the YoBit campaign was active I joined.....Because I was going to be stuck in the office for close to 5 days @ 15+ hours a day.
It was going to be (and was) dead due to the holidays. Phone not ringing, emails that had to be dealt with were few and far between.
So why not join and make some BTC. I was going to be posting so I might as well get paid for it.

No long term requirements, no filling out a form and waiting to hear back if I was accepted.
Add profile to the YoBit page, sig and text and go.

Right now I am wearing the MintDice sig and have been for ~2 months because I knew I was going to be on a lot.
If I was not sure if I could make the 25 posts I probably would be wearing YoBit.

Same as a while ago, late 2016 early 17. I was working on a project that required a lot of time, but there were many many breaks.
Start process, enter info, wait 45 minutes......enter more info....wait again. I was stuck in the fact that I could not do field work or much else since you kind of had to be aware of when you had to start the next step. So I was here and on the car forum A LOT for 6 weeks. So I wore a sig. The moment the project ended and I was not able to make the post count I was booted from the campaign not even a "you need to get back up" just a "thanks for the last few weeks, you're gone"

-Dave

IINM, repeated non-performance usually gets you kicked out without warning.

Did you inform the campaign manager back then though? If you did, you could have exited with grace.

Personally I have no problem with that whatsoever, as long as they make good posts.  I don't know Diamondcardz, but I was aware that he's a long-time member and I was suprised to see him back here in the cryptotalk campaign.  Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing at all.  Assuming he's the original owner of the account, it's great that he's still into crypto after all this time.

OP's list might be the good posters who've recently woken up, but it's not a comprehensive list of all the posters in the cryptotalk campaign who are at least decent members of the forum.  I've been reading a bunch of posts by members in that campaign, and they're not all bad by a long shot.  Definitely better than when Yobit launched its last campaign without a manager--Yahoo62278 is running a tight ship, and Yobit chose correctly when they hired him IMO.

Yes, I told them that my post count might drop for a week, possibly 2 till I reworked my schedule. The response was more or less "It's been nice, you're outta here"

-Dave

That sucks. On the bright side however, you have one less to worry about since there are so many campaigns out there with better offers.

Very well said, it doesn't matter whoever user it is and if he didn't receive any merit since the merit system has been implemented, as long as he is posting good quality stuffs, merits would be on his way. The position in this forum, the green trust, and all of his merits would only come in second.

Seems you misunderstood @Welsh statement as he never meant merit should be used as a factor for behaviors not relating to the post habbit. Trusting someone just because of their earned merit is stupidity as it might backfired badly like we have recorded in the past with loan defaulters/scammers. Trustability and reputation should be separated from merit earned instead the general activity of the user on the forum is a better criteria.

Although merit earned doesn't tell you all about a users contributions to the forum, it gives you an idea on how visible the contributions of that user has been.

"merit is one of the most important factors" I wanted to somewhat put emphasis on this part only. As Welsh has said "Earned merit would be at the very top of the list when assessing someone's post quality." which I definitely agree on. While merit is not the sole factor to decide whether a person is trustworthy or not, it is definitely a crucial factor in comparison to either when the user has registered or their post account. In my opinion, the only thing that outvalues the merit in this context is the trust.

I agree merit is one of the greatest proof that a forum member is a good quality poster.
People wouldn't just simple give out merit unless they find your post helpfull and it is a quality post so having a high merit shows that you are indeed a good contributor to the forum (unless it is from cheating like buying merits).

@Deathwing was a big gain for us.

I see some good members in Cryptotalk campaign. But when there are so many spammers with Cryptotalk signature, these good members just become less visible. I noticed that sometimes I just skip posts written by Cryptotalk participants and no matter who exactly wrote it, I just have feeling that there won't be anything wortwhile to read.
I don't want to talk about these users, but more in general - if member was inactive before Cryptotalk campaign, probably it means that they are here just for money because they aren't motivated to post without paid signature. But hell, if they are good members of community and making contributions, I don't care about it.

I wonder that how many eligible participants of Cryptotalk's campaign made 20 posts on daily over continuous days (or nearly 20 posts) without being banned or kicked out by yahoo62278?

From what OP raised, I guess there are not many of them were eligible with 20 posts during days in-a-row, before the new daily limitation came (at 10).
If there are figures to prove this theory, I think it will be good that good posters who joined Cryptotalk actually maintained their good posts with their self-limitations on max posts they usually made daily. It is understandable if their total daily posts after joining Cryptotalk increased a little bit, but it is fine if it does not rocket.

Having the same circumstances as DiamondCardz

I stop for almost 8 months because of personal problems that caused me anxiety, Part of the reason is the market fall that caused me to be broke up, That's why I decided to take a rest on cryptocurrency and start to build up my confidence to trade again.

I've regained my trust in the market after the pump. That's the start I start on spectating on cryptocurrency again.

Two weeks ago there were 4 people who managed to do that, don't remember who they were so can't check if they got banned.


Right now there are only 3 (http://loyce.club/active/7d.html) and LoyceV is one of them, the other two are in the CT campaign.
Maybe LoyceV can help you with some archived stats if he has such a thing, I assume an AI is used to back-up everything.  ;D


When did this happen? I was away for almost five days and didn't bother to check those topics in the few minutes I had to spare.

I have the data (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5167469.0), but don't think it's worth the effort to search through it. If anyone's interested, they can make weekly archives of http://loyce.club/active/7d.html.

That explains why so many users make exactly 10 posts per day (http://loyce.club/active/).

Inactive; and then woke up for the sake of CryptoTalk Signature Campaign is a false statement against me I believe (for those who think this way).
Since 24th July (the day I stopped posting) to 5th Oct (the day I joined CryptoTalk Campaign), in between there were other campaigns launched where I haven't applied.^[1]
I actually took a break from posting after all those Livecoin dramas, but I was active daily in the forum as read-only mode. Due to the Livecoin drama, I also got blacklisted which made me very upset.

I got blacklisted because I just posted "Reserved" in Livecoin's second phase campaign. I even didn't write my details in the application. The reason why I posted reserve because I have seen the accuser withdrawn his support from the flag and I thought the case was settled, but no, later I've known that it was not settled and the accuser supported the flag again. Trying to make a short post, so I won't be writing the whole drama and points again here. Anyway, later I forgot to delete that reserved post and got blacklisted. I haven't contacted yahoo or wrote anything about it anywhere to explain my situation to get whitelisted again because I thought this will lead to arguments and that shitty thing counter the counter process which I hate very much.

I'd have not joined Yobit's campaign if I were to wear the Yobit signature, I joined because it's CryptoTalk.

If the signature campaign is all that mattered to me from the beginning then maybe I'd be the one with most post counts and reached maximum post limits all the time in all campaigns I join(ed).

Sorry for this long post and sorry if said anything wrong. No offense! :)


[1] Blacklist made me upset and that's why I haven't applied or worked on it to get whitelisted...

Fully agree here - is there any option to check for "Merits earned in the last 120 days" other than ddmrddmr´s lovely tool (https://public.tableau.com/profile/ddmrddmr#!/vizhome/BitcointalkMeritDashboard/GlobalSummary)?

I guess it would be a very interesting feature to either
A) solely have "Merits earned in the last 120 days" next to the user-info´s and/or
B) the number of total merits earned
rather than (or additional to) total number of merits

f.e. as it stands I can see user Efialtis  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2597426)has a 130 merits:

https://i.imgur.com/ydFL3YX.png

That means he ...

A) has earned 30 (started from 100) or
B) has earned 120 (started from 10) or
C) has earned 129 (started from 1) or
D) has earned them all

Well now I know that he just joined in May 2019 and earned 129 of those 130 merits, but without checking BPIP or ddmrddmr´s tool there is no chance to recognize his quality on the first glance.


I like BPIP but its some extra-clicks so to me this would be a nice feature on Bitcointalk, maybe we can collect some funds and pay for that feature!? :)

The Merit summary (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=1005083) in your profile is for exactly 120 days. It's quite easy to add them up, if it can help any campaign I'll be happy to create a weekly file in CSV or any other format for this.

The forum doesn't need money, so paying won't get you features. But there's a BPIP.org Chrome & FireFox Extension (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5038684.0) already.

Hi mate.
I am sorry if I have upset you.

The purpose of creating this thread was introducing  good users of Crytotalk signature campaign which is mentioned in the subject. I have called these users those who are able to join other signature campaigns too, users who are tying to be helpful to forum and make constructive posts. I said that these users will remain in the forum after Cryptotalk campaigns ends.
I said there are some users who post only for money and I called these users are different form them.
I focused on the merits these users were able to earn in a short time.
I didn't make this topic to accuse someone. I made it to call you a good user.
Again, I am sorry if you didn't like the topic.

I am totally aware of that, thanks anyway.

Seeing those added up isn´t bad for the start but it just gives a rough estimate rather than an exact number, what might be fine for a first impression though.

But latest when it comes to applying for a Campaign where the campaign manager is asking for the number of merits earned in the past 120 days, an hour long counting-marathon steps in (at least for those that have something to count and don´t know about ddmrddmr´s tool (and how to use it)).

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Oh nice, didn´t know about it yet - thank you!

Not at all, mate...  :)

I don't have any problem with the thread you have created and I haven't said anything related to that.

Sometimes, truth is buried so silently that no one even knows about it unless it is told otherwise. This is why I wrote something about the reason of being not posting the last few months.

Didn't see this one earlier. Thanks mate for some words of appreciation. I think Yobit has certainly provided people opportunity yo contribute to this forum too I don't know about how most of users are using this campaign but certainly some are definitely trying to contribute and earn from the campaign too at the same time and now I think even if the campaign ends I will try to be regular to the forum no matter what.

I guess that’s a way of saying these campaigns has helped improve the the pace of the BTT community development. These old users coming back to participate in platform discussions and also having earned merit means they must have made some important contributions to the platform.
That’s great. Are there other ways or innovative features on the platform that could be used to increase community members participation? Although this might not be the best thread to say this, but I think this should also be discussed.

I was not awakened by Yobit but I think that I have not yet increased my posting intensity after joining Cryptotalk campaign. Moreover, I do think my post has acceptable good quality.

OP made good works to point out the fact that there are good users joined Cryptotalk campaign, but just a minor part of total participants -- that is what I agree.

When a thread is not too long, like this one, I like to read all posts before commenting, especially when I see many usernames I can recognize.

I spotted something that nobody commented before, even involved members, so I thought it is worth a mention.


I think you haven't understood Lucius correctly, pease read one more time:


In my opinion, there is no disagreement and both of you are talking about this same.

wwzsocki, part of discussions about merits in this thread is a little bit OT, but I think most of us agree that merits do not necessarily have to show how valuable someone is to this forum. Considering the huge number of alt accounts, sales and purchases of merit on and off the forum, a user with only 100 merit honestly earned may be more useful to this forum than someone who has 2 or 3 times more unfairly acquired.

Let's get back to the topic, does anyone think that any user who has returned to the forum just for the reason to post for money is good user? I do not want to generalize things, some of the users stated in OP publicly say that the reasons for their absence from the forum were personal, and I can accept that this can be the truth. Let's see how many of them will remain active when/after the campaign in question is over.