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Title: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - First Coin on Bitcoin Core v0.19+Dash MN(PoW/PoS hybrid)
Post by: ZentoshiOfficial on October 28, 2019, 12:29:25 AM

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/405110360140677120/645679016019492865/bt_ann_update_top.jpg
https://www.zentoshi.com/media/btt/8.jpg
https://www.zentoshi.com/media/btt/9.jpg
https://www.zentoshi.com/media/btt/10.jpg
https://www.zentoshi.com/media/btt/13.jpg
https://www.zentoshi.com/media/btt/12.jpg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyeXQcSanaM)

Linkedin (https://www.linkedin.com/company/zentoshi) - Telegram (https://t.me/Zentoshi) - Discord (https://discord.gg/SAXcmpE) - Medium (https://medium.com/@zentoshi) - Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/user/Zentoshi_Official/)
Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/ZentoshiCoin) -  Twitter (https://twitter.com/ZentoshiCoin) - Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/zentoshicoin/) - Youtube (https://www.youtube.com/c/zentoshi) - Steemit (https://steemit.com/@zentoshi)
Whitepaper download:
Whitepaper HD Version (222mb) (https://www.zentoshi.com/media/Zentoshi-Whitepaper.pdf)
Whitepaper SD Version (3mb) (https://www.zentoshi.com/media/Zentoshi-Whitepaper-SD.pdf)

Website: https://www.Zentoshi.com/
Contact: team@zentoshi.com (team@zentoshi.com)

After receiving advice to make the team more transparent we have begun connecting linkedin and socials (thank you mosprognoz and Ning_aric for helping us make this an even better project), I have procured a list (I will edit this post and grow it as more of our team members agree to share):
CEO Michael: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-weinrub-851a6b2b/
COO Jonathan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-vila-b98a4a159/
Cameron: Twitter is @Yankeeruinx
    Reddit is u/Yankeeruinx
Arcane: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stefan-hansen-2ba2479/
Andrew: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-meyer-a4a668197/
Alihan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alihan-%C3%A7elikcan-333544178/
Jerry: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremy-vila-62097313a/
Konnov: https://www.linkedin.com/in/konnovdev/
Spencer: https://www.linkedin.com/in/spencer-ford-4a54a3179/
Vijay: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vijay-bikkina-731664197/
Kinkade: https://www.linkedin.com/in/felix-shikaa-018399162
Laurel: https://www.linkedin.com/in/raphael-ukinebo-00958587
Kou: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kourosh-tabassi-43b63361/
Johan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johan-andersson-604719197/
In this list you will find top officials in our team, the full marketing team, all chief officers CDO, COO, CEO, CMO, our General Manager, and our developers except Barry who refuses to be on socials.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business Enterprise
Post by: ZentoshiOfficial on October 28, 2019, 12:31:08 AM
UPDATES

https://miro.medium.com/max/1920/1*GiNGW2NShkJpJoPwSKVRzw.png (https://medium.com/zentoshi/zentoshi-vip-monthly-social-media-campaign-5737d9ca1692)

TESTNET IS NOW LIVE
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/405110360140677120/640705983202721814/testnet_live_2.jpg
Come Participate in our discord!

Hello Everyone, We are looking at another possible delay, our fixes caused compile errors. We understand everyone here is patiently awaiting our current countdown however it will not be launching tonight.

We will get this blockchain in your hands and PCs. We are building something no one else has ever built before and venturing alone, so we are definitely going to find bumps along the way! Thank you for your continued support! We will be posting a new date as soon as we have confirmation that we can finish it in that time. We chose not to rush the technology, and postpone it instead to make sure the blockchain would function properly.



Hello everyone, to be transparent after hitting delays we've copyrighted our code and made our GitHub public:
https://github.com/zentoshi/zentoshi/releases/tag/db36e8c4f

We've also released another testnet to make sure everything works before we go mainnet!

https://miro.medium.com/max/1806/0*oRuPOgAeFdfdYgW2
Hello everyone!
Please check out our development update:
https://link.medium.com/n3uBYNDlA1

We're also in the process of recoding our database to bitcoin core v0.19 to be one of the first coins with deterministic nodes utilizing the latest implementation of deterministic nodes!

11/23/2019
Hello everyone, I'd like to formally announce we have started development of our second Platform CloudGSP:
Here is a sneak preview of the platform design:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/411958231305420800/647803927861133352/CloudGSP_preview.jpg


As we close out another week, we've also included an update as to the progress we've been making and what the Zentoshi Team has been working on. Come have a read and get exclusive previews on medium only!
https://link.medium.com/HoGEvaYaR1

-Zentoshi Team


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business Enterprise
Post by: WandererofCrypto on October 28, 2019, 02:32:20 AM
How does SunnyNode hope to compete with Vultr or other hostingsites?


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business Enterprise
Post by: cryptotraveller on October 28, 2019, 06:43:53 AM
When Zentoshi will be traded on an Exchange and when will be the wallet available to download?


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business Enterprise
Post by: ZentoshiOfficial on October 28, 2019, 07:12:38 AM
How does SunnyNode hope to compete with Vultr or other hostingsites?

SunnyNode on the business end will have a better overall QoS - Quality of Service. As a long time customer of Vultr, I have personally had more downtime than any other provider I have been with. They seem to have more maintenance and hardware issues than any others in my experience. As it pertains to our competition overall, we have great introductory rates that cost considerably less than most of our competition. Meaning as a service, we enable our customers to save money and have the same level of performance they require to run their virtualized environments.

When Zentoshi will be traded on an Exchange and when will be the wallet available to download?

We have yet to announce a date to start trading on any exchanges, however we have some listings in the pipeline!
Wallet will be posted once we go live! Please join our socials to keep up to date with chances to earn Zentoshi and get involved as we head to live!


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business Enterprise
Post by: Globalminingcorp on October 28, 2019, 08:36:12 AM
Looking forward to the launch of the mainnet!


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business Enterprise
Post by: camelia_ena on October 28, 2019, 10:38:40 AM
Are you in talks with third parties that wish to jon the Zentoshi Microcosm?


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: ZentoshiOfficial on October 28, 2019, 01:34:31 PM
Are you in talks with third parties that wish to jon the Zentoshi Microcosm?
Hello Camelia, yes SunnyNode is in talks with many partnerships, here are some examples of partnerships we've done in the past:
https://zentoshi.com/media/btt/caps/StronghandMasternode.png
https://zentoshi.com/media/btt/caps/Traid_coin_try.png
https://zentoshi.com/media/btt/caps/LOGIS.png

We are also accepting partnerships with other projects, please view our https://www.zentoshi.com/faq for instructions.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: Pierre Dilecto on October 28, 2019, 09:30:45 PM
Hmm... So I've ordered servers for various video games before from GSPs... Is the idea with CloudGSP in the Microcosm that anyone could lease their hardware (if it had required specs) and when a gamer orders a server from the "CloudGSP", a third party receives compensation for the hardware they leased (for running a server?).

Essentially the "CloudGSP" is a middle man between gamers and crypto enthusiasts looking to make additional profit off their hardware?

if that's the case, that seems like an amazing idea for circumventing the problem GSP companies have (i.e. spending tens of thousands on their own hardware).

Sorry if I'm completely off base on this!


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: Mien_Bi on October 28, 2019, 10:21:51 PM
I don't quite understand the idea of your project. With your tokens I will be able to pay for various services? If so, will I be able to buy services only from those who accept your tokens or not?


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: Loki_cryOO on October 28, 2019, 11:02:11 PM
What does ZENTOSHI VIP include? You indicated that privileges and benefits, but did not specify what exactly?


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: WandererofCrypto on October 28, 2019, 11:39:37 PM
In basic terms how will the POS and POW dual stack function? Second, how do you hope to keep the POW fair for everyone and avoid the ASIC takeover? Lastly, what algorithm are you using for mining?


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: otnoshenk on October 29, 2019, 07:56:15 AM
can I earn extra money using your Zentoshi blockchain? What are the ways?


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: Bulache on October 29, 2019, 08:04:54 AM
 What are the benefits to using Zentoshi Coin?


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: sviridin on October 29, 2019, 08:07:45 AM
What are the benefits to using Zentoshi Coin?
benefits, discounts and so on. I think that discounts will be provided already in the process when the platform will be fully operational.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: blankovkk on October 29, 2019, 08:08:42 AM
What are the benefits to using Zentoshi Coin?
benefits, discounts and so on. I think that discounts will be provided already in the process when the platform will be fully operational.

Not bad come up, many users love all the different bonuses.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: Milakiy on October 29, 2019, 08:09:47 AM
Is Zentoshi interested in mutually beneficial relationships/Open to partnership with other coins and projects? Does the platform already have any partners?


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: Levadnyi on October 29, 2019, 08:11:16 AM
Is Zentoshi interested in mutually beneficial relationships/Open to partnership with other coins and projects? Does the platform already have any partners?

Choosing partners is not an easy task, it is important not to lose your reputation.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: Yankeeruinx on October 29, 2019, 08:21:57 AM
When can you start mining this and what do I need? Will it be Nov 7th or is there a different date?


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: ZentoshiOfficial on October 29, 2019, 09:08:25 AM
Hmm... So I've ordered servers for various video games before from GSPs... Is the idea with CloudGSP in the Microcosm that anyone could lease their hardware (if it had required specs) and when a gamer orders a server from the "CloudGSP", a third party receives compensation for the hardware they leased (for running a server?).

Essentially the "CloudGSP" is a middle man between gamers and crypto enthusiasts looking to make additional profit off their hardware?

if that's the case, that seems like an amazing idea for circumventing the problem GSP companies have (i.e. spending tens of thousands on their own hardware).

Sorry if I'm completely off base on this!

You are quite right, however we encourage our ZentoshiNode Secondary operators to use server-grade hardware to maximize performance. We will have guidelines on our minimum specifications as we get closer to launching our Secondary Nodes!


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: HighRed on October 29, 2019, 09:15:00 AM
I'm kinda interested in running a node. What are the minimal system requirements to run a primary one? Is there an estimate?


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: ZentoshiOfficial on October 29, 2019, 09:27:06 AM
I don't quite understand the idea of your project. With your tokens I will be able to pay for various services? If so, will I be able to buy services only from those who accept your tokens or not?

You will be able to pay for services on both our official channels for our services via places like SunnyNode.com or CloudGSP.com or use them on our marketplace where unofficial services are offered by our operators.

What does ZENTOSHI VIP include? You indicated that privileges and benefits, but did not specify what exactly?

ZentoshiVIP is a program to reward our users for their usage of our platform, utilization of our currency, and engagement across our community. These benefits can include special discounts, access to airdrops, inside scoops and news of our progress, access to test our technologies before the public, rank display, and much more.

can I earn extra money using your Zentoshi blockchain? What are the ways?


You can absolutely earn money on our blockchain, have you read our whitepaper? Users can run ZentoshiNode Primary servers to privatize funds, and can run ZentoshiNode Secondary Servers to run our infrastructure! Secondary Nodes are still under development however, they will be operational soon!

Is Zentoshi interested in mutually beneficial relationships/Open to partnership with other coins and projects? Does the platform already have any partners?


Absolutely. We are currently partnered with many coin projects for our 1-click masternode function on SunnyNode.com and are always looking to make mutually beneficial partnerships across the market. We are also looking into B2B partnerships for application infrastructure hosting, and other forms of utilization between our services.

When can you start mining this and what do I need? Will it be Nov 7th or is there a different date?

We will start publicly mining our chain on Nov 7th. However, we will have a testnet available in the coming days where you can mine coins and use them when the mainnet comes on.



I'm kinda interested in running a node. What are the minimal system requirements to run a primary one? Is there an estimate?

Have you had a look at our whitepaper? We have all the requirements listed in there. To host a primary server you must have 5000 coins in collateral, which can be purchased or mined. You then use those coins, lock them in a transaction for a ZentoshiNode for cold storage and host a small VPS server to run a hot-wallet to perform the primary server functions.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: Yankeeruinx on October 29, 2019, 10:09:28 AM
When can you start mining this and what do I need? Will it be Nov 7th or is there a different date?

We will start publicly mining our chain on Nov 7th. However, we will have a testnet available in the coming days where you can mine coins and use them when the mainnet comes on.

How can I get on the testnet, is there a link somewhere with more details?


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business Enterprise
Post by: Nathan01 on October 29, 2019, 10:24:00 AM
How does SunnyNode hope to compete with Vultr or other hostingsites?

SunnyNode on the business end will have a better overall QoS - Quality of Service. As a long time customer of Vultr, I have personally had more downtime than any other provider I have been with. They seem to have more maintenance and hardware issues than any others in my experience. As it pertains to our competition overall, we have great introductory rates that cost considerably less than most of our competition. Meaning as a service, we enable our customers to save money and have the same level of performance they require to run their virtualized environments.

When Zentoshi will be traded on an Exchange and when will be the wallet available to download?

We have yet to announce a date to start trading on any exchanges, however we have some listings in the pipeline!
Wallet will be posted once we go live! Please join our socials to keep up to date with chances to earn Zentoshi and get involved as we head to live!

I've been in the Discord group for sometime to know that this are all facts. The team have come really long way to put together a water tight plan and project that service a very important aspect of the blockchain.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: ZentoshiOfficial on October 29, 2019, 10:30:21 AM
When can you start mining this and what do I need? Will it be Nov 7th or is there a different date?

We will start publicly mining our chain on Nov 7th. However, we will have a testnet available in the coming days where you can mine coins and use them when the mainnet comes on.

How can I get on the testnet, is there a link somewhere with more details?

You can join our Discord or Telegram and get details when we go live with it. We are days away.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: jc12345 on October 29, 2019, 09:37:30 PM
I looked at your whitepaper and have the following questions:

1. You are saying it will be a CPU mineable coin. How will you make sure that miners will not devise methods to mine with GPU or ASIC miners?

2. Will you be starting mining from scratch at a launch time like in the old days? Will the initial emission curve counter low difficulty?

3. On page 51 should the 1% 7000 for bounty not be 10% 70000?

4. 2.5m is an extremely large pre-mine compared to block rewards that your team will mange. What guarantees will there be that it wont be dumped?


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: cryptotraveller on October 29, 2019, 10:02:25 PM
I think the current Whitepaper contains too much technical information regarding the primary nodes, secondary nodes and how they operate. The Whitepaper also states ''Five years to Mass adoption". So I'm wondering if you have plans to make things much simpler for non-technical people? For example - light paper, some sort of guides etc.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: ZentoshiOfficial on October 30, 2019, 08:38:33 AM
I looked at your whitepaper and have the following questions:

1. You are saying it will be a CPU mineable coin. How will you make sure that miners will not devise methods to mine with GPU or ASIC miners?

2. Will you be starting mining from scratch at a launch time like in the old days? Will the initial emission curve counter low difficulty?

3. On page 51 should the 1% 7000 for bounty not be 10% 70000?

4. 2.5m is an extremely large pre-mine compared to block rewards that your team will mange. What guarantees will there be that it wont be dumped?

1. We are using a modified Balloon hashing algorithm courtesy of our in-house developer team called balloon². The original balloon algorithm was in fact GPU mineable (a GPU miner took several months to surface), however even then it was only operating on a ratio of 1:4 efficiency (CPU/GPU). This was due to an oversight made whereby part of the hashing function was able to be precomputed (specifically the AES-128-CTR rounds). This has since been resolved and the advantage gone.

2. We will start mining in our testnet which is a few days away, that is available to anyone who wants to take part. Just join our Discord or Telegram for more details! There is little to no private mining happening other than the first couple of blocks other than our pre-mine to make sure everything works before we get to further testing. You are welcome to join in on the fun!

3. Yes on page 50 it is correct. We have set aside 7000 coins for a bounty program, however our community budget may contribute more for this.

4. We have decided on that number and split it into 2. One being our operational budget, which we have full discretion on its spending. We then have our locked reserve which is LOCKED. These funds can only be accessed by our CEO and COO while only done so through community governance. We have an article that explains our reasoning behind it and its implications for our business. The locked reserve is essentially time locked using our cold interest system where you can lock coins for a determined amount and receive rewards. This will be fully visible on chain. The only times our locked reserve of 1,800,000 will be used is at the event that our operating capital has been exhausted and our community approves of the movement for the funds to be utilized as operational budget. Here: https://medium.com/zentoshi/the-zentoshi-budget-e2208693f61e



I think the current Whitepaper contains too much technical information regarding the primary nodes, secondary nodes and how they operate. The Whitepaper also states ''Five years to Mass adoption". So I'm wondering if you have plans to make things much simpler for non-technical people? For example - light paper, some sort of guides etc.

Yes we do! Much like our ideals with SunnyNode with bridging the gap in technical know-how, we are aiming to do the same across our whole organization!


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: pmid85 on October 30, 2019, 04:11:12 PM

Looking forward to hearing more updates.



How do you think this project stands out among other coins?


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: ZentoshiOfficial on October 30, 2019, 04:19:49 PM

Looking forward to hearing more updates.



How do you think this project stands out among other coins?

Firstly, I like to think of Zentoshi as a business rather than a coin project. We are a company that utilizes a utility coin to pay for services and enable our infrastructure through blockchain. Rather than going an ICO route and selling a dream, we built a business that has profit potential from day 1 which will continue to develop its business and technologies.

Most projects and coins out there are just copies of each other with a new version of why it will be the next bitcoin or why it is better than sliced bread. We don't see this project as either of those things. We built our coin from the ground up using Bitcoin Core v0.18 as the base and attaching existing technologies like deterministic masternodes to give us a foundation to develop from and create new technologies that will benefit the market as a whole.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: vilajerry5 on October 30, 2019, 05:35:31 PM
Can you explain balloon hashing? I'm not very familiar with this term. Also do you guys plan on adding more platforms and services for this coin or is it just the ones specified?


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: ZentoshiOfficial on October 30, 2019, 06:38:53 PM
Can you explain balloon hashing? I'm not very familiar with this term. Also do you guys plan on adding more platforms and services for this coin or is it just the ones specified?

Balloon hashing uses existing cryptography technology and adds a layer on top to create a more secure encryption that is more efficient. Balloon hashing gets its name from the way it expands and deflates through its operation. First, the algorithm utilizes a large buffer of pseudo-random bytes based from the input and salted hash.The bytes in the memory buffer then go through a defined series of mixing in the memory buffer as if a stack of playing cards were laid out, shuffled around, and placed back into the deck. Finally after the mixing is processed and sampled, the algorithm is extracted and a new block is generated.

We have plenty of platforms unannounced which will be revealed as we launch our currently announced platforms. Tons of great things in the pipeline!


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: Pierre Dilecto on October 30, 2019, 06:43:57 PM
Hmm... So I've ordered servers for various video games before from GSPs... Is the idea with CloudGSP in the Microcosm that anyone could lease their hardware (if it had required specs) and when a gamer orders a server from the "CloudGSP", a third party receives compensation for the hardware they leased (for running a server?).

Essentially the "CloudGSP" is a middle man between gamers and crypto enthusiasts looking to make additional profit off their hardware?

if that's the case, that seems like an amazing idea for circumventing the problem GSP companies have (i.e. spending tens of thousands on their own hardware).

Sorry if I'm completely off base on this!

You are quite right, however we encourage our ZentoshiNode Secondary operators to use server-grade hardware to maximize performance. We will have guidelines on our minimum specifications as we get closer to launching our Secondary Nodes!

Thanks for the reply. This is an incredibly cool concept (as far as the GSP goes, I'm not the smartest crypto cow in the herd so the technical details of the coin are above my head), based on the GSP industry in its current form, you would be able to handle an unlimited amount of customers compared to traditional GSPs, the only drawback would be if there weren't enough secondary operators for new clients to place an order.

Now that you've answered that, my final question is: Obviously online games have different requirements for each game, will the CloudGSP be determining the minimum required specs for Secondary Operators on a per-game basis (i.e. Battlefield 2 would have one set of min specs, Call of Duty Modern Warfare would have a different set of min specs)?


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: ZentoshiOfficial on October 30, 2019, 06:59:52 PM
Hmm... So I've ordered servers for various video games before from GSPs... Is the idea with CloudGSP in the Microcosm that anyone could lease their hardware (if it had required specs) and when a gamer orders a server from the "CloudGSP", a third party receives compensation for the hardware they leased (for running a server?).

Essentially the "CloudGSP" is a middle man between gamers and crypto enthusiasts looking to make additional profit off their hardware?

if that's the case, that seems like an amazing idea for circumventing the problem GSP companies have (i.e. spending tens of thousands on their own hardware).

Sorry if I'm completely off base on this!

You are quite right, however we encourage our ZentoshiNode Secondary operators to use server-grade hardware to maximize performance. We will have guidelines on our minimum specifications as we get closer to launching our Secondary Nodes!

Thanks for the reply. This is an incredibly cool concept (as far as the GSP goes, I'm not the smartest crypto cow in the herd so the technical details of the coin are above my head), based on the GSP industry in its current form, you would be able to handle an unlimited amount of customers compared to traditional GSPs, the only drawback would be if there weren't enough secondary operators for new clients to place an order.

Now that you've answered that, my final question is: Obviously online games have different requirements for each game, will the CloudGSP be determining the minimum required specs for Secondary Operators on a per-game basis (i.e. Battlefield 2 would have one set of min specs, Call of Duty Modern Warfare would have a different set of min specs)?

Our game server provider will be utilizing containerized environments for each game server instance so as for the requirements per game the containers will have the ability to pull more resources as needed. When a game server uses more resources, our secondary nodes will be compensated for the additional usage.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: ning_aric on October 30, 2019, 08:48:03 PM
I’ll like to say, I admire the name Zentopians. Your project has quite a handful use case in the cryptocurrency world. Unfortunately, there’re other similar projects with the same use case. It’s good to see more competition, because with competition comes improved service.


I’m a few words, easy for any newbie to understand, why should I chose zentoshi over older hosting services? What Use case does your tokens, ZenX, have at the Moment (working product)?

Please do make this simple as possible!


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: jc12345 on October 30, 2019, 09:08:33 PM
I looked at your whitepaper and have the following questions:

1. You are saying it will be a CPU mineable coin. How will you make sure that miners will not devise methods to mine with GPU or ASIC miners?

2. Will you be starting mining from scratch at a launch time like in the old days? Will the initial emission curve counter low difficulty?

3. On page 51 should the 1% 7000 for bounty not be 10% 70000?

4. 2.5m is an extremely large pre-mine compared to block rewards that your team will mange. What guarantees will there be that it wont be dumped?

1. We are using a modified Balloon hashing algorithm courtesy of our in-house developer team called balloon². The original balloon algorithm was in fact GPU mineable (a GPU miner took several months to surface), however even then it was only operating on a ratio of 1:4 efficiency (CPU/GPU). This was due to an oversight made whereby part of the hashing function was able to be precomputed (specifically the AES-128-CTR rounds). This has since been resolved and the advantage gone.

2. We will start mining in our testnet which is a few days away, that is available to anyone who wants to take part. Just join our Discord or Telegram for more details! There is little to no private mining happening other than the first couple of blocks other than our pre-mine to make sure everything works before we get to further testing. You are welcome to join in on the fun!

3. Yes on page 50 it is correct. We have set aside 7000 coins for a bounty program, however our community budget may contribute more for this.

4. We have decided on that number and split it into 2. One being our operational budget, which we have full discretion on its spending. We then have our locked reserve which is LOCKED. These funds can only be accessed by our CEO and COO while only done so through community governance. We have an article that explains our reasoning behind it and its implications for our business. The locked reserve is essentially time locked using our cold interest system where you can lock coins for a determined amount and receive rewards. This will be fully visible on chain. The only times our locked reserve of 1,800,000 will be used is at the event that our operating capital has been exhausted and our community approves of the movement for the funds to be utilized as operational budget. Here: https://medium.com/zentoshi/the-zentoshi-budget-e2208693f61e

Ok thanks for the reply. On point 3 the amount for bounties is very low if it is 7000. You might need to up it to get people to participate in the program. Again compare this in line with the 2.5m pre-mine.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: ZentoshiOfficial on October 30, 2019, 10:16:52 PM
I looked at your whitepaper and have the following questions:

1. You are saying it will be a CPU mineable coin. How will you make sure that miners will not devise methods to mine with GPU or ASIC miners?

2. Will you be starting mining from scratch at a launch time like in the old days? Will the initial emission curve counter low difficulty?

3. On page 51 should the 1% 7000 for bounty not be 10% 70000?

4. 2.5m is an extremely large pre-mine compared to block rewards that your team will mange. What guarantees will there be that it wont be dumped?

1. We are using a modified Balloon hashing algorithm courtesy of our in-house developer team called balloon². The original balloon algorithm was in fact GPU mineable (a GPU miner took several months to surface), however even then it was only operating on a ratio of 1:4 efficiency (CPU/GPU). This was due to an oversight made whereby part of the hashing function was able to be precomputed (specifically the AES-128-CTR rounds). This has since been resolved and the advantage gone.

2. We will start mining in our testnet which is a few days away, that is available to anyone who wants to take part. Just join our Discord or Telegram for more details! There is little to no private mining happening other than the first couple of blocks other than our pre-mine to make sure everything works before we get to further testing. You are welcome to join in on the fun!

3. Yes on page 50 it is correct. We have set aside 7000 coins for a bounty program, however our community budget may contribute more for this.

4. We have decided on that number and split it into 2. One being our operational budget, which we have full discretion on its spending. We then have our locked reserve which is LOCKED. These funds can only be accessed by our CEO and COO while only done so through community governance. We have an article that explains our reasoning behind it and its implications for our business. The locked reserve is essentially time locked using our cold interest system where you can lock coins for a determined amount and receive rewards. This will be fully visible on chain. The only times our locked reserve of 1,800,000 will be used is at the event that our operating capital has been exhausted and our community approves of the movement for the funds to be utilized as operational budget. Here: https://medium.com/zentoshi/the-zentoshi-budget-e2208693f61e

Ok thanks for the reply. On point 3 the amount for bounties is very low if it is 7000. You might need to up it to get people to participate in the program. Again compare this in line with the 2.5m pre-mine.

Hello JC, I'd like to expand on the bounty funding that you have specified, the 7000, as listed for the whitepaper is for "bug bounty" this is a bounty ran for reporting security vulnerabilities. Getting people to participate in the bounties that you are generally referring to would fall under a combined categories of ZentoshiVIP which are benefits we provide to Zentopians and new members, Referral programs, and Community budget(Meaning a total budget of 119,000 ZenX).

In regards to the 2.5m pre-mine, we operate as a business, meaning logistically only the 700,000 operational capital would be used to operate the business and grow it. Afterwards, as planned revenue from the platforms will allow us to be self sustainable; the locked reserve is only opened through governance and complete transparency. This is purely used for investment opportunities while running the utmost optimal portfolio, meaning low risk (What is often called the Efficiency Frontier), and as a safety net much like how companies keep retained earnings. An example of this can be identified by taking a look at balance sheets from typical tech companies. Microsoft cash on hand is close to 250 million dollars; in contrast ours is 1.8 million ZenX. I want to reiterate that this will not be circulating, and will not be even up for discussion on touching for up to 2 years, at which point the community will have a chance to be a bigger part of our governance. Credibility is a standard we want to be known for, and the for the better most of a year and a half, we have been using our own savings and wallets to fund this project, we wanted to present it to the world not as a dream, but an accomplished company. Leading by example, investing our very own savings into it, we wanted to show others that we believe in it, and we're all in as well.
Please read more about our views:
https://miro.medium.com/max/2400/1*BOtJdmw-QS8BduOxce_cnQ.png
https://medium.com/zentoshi/zentoshi-news-whitepaper-release-and-founder-interview-926aec2cce01

I’ll like to say, I admire the name Zentopians. Your project has quite a handful use case in the cryptocurrency world. Unfortunately, there’re other similar projects with the same use case. It’s good to see more competition, because with competition comes improved service.


I’m a few words, easy for any newbie to understand, why should I chose Zentoshi over older hosting services? What Use case does your tokens, ZenX, have at the Moment (working product)?

Please do make this simple as possible!

I'd like to begin by answering the first statement in regards to similar projects. Zentoshi's aim is to be in every popular market, we plan to grow the microcosm to enter every corner of a mix of Perfect Competition and Oligarchy type business spheres. However where we differ is the implementation of technology and the community we will be building. I promise you, there are no other coin on bitcoin core v0.18 using the latest Dash Evo implementations with use cases like ours. And if you do choose to become a Zentopian you'll be entering our universe. You won't be just one of millions of customers, queued up and ignored when you run into issues, having to go through some awful customer service, possibly not even helped. You'll have us at your fingertips and all of the community. And we'll be everywhere, our plan is 5 years to mass adoption, we started with SunnyNode because it makes sense to allow our members to run the technology we're creating at the lowest cost and most trustworthy source, the very own company they are running nodes for. 
Please take a look at our article "Utility Coins" detailing this even further:
https://miro.medium.com/max/1791/0*u2Mpqa7eM8-3A2sq.png
https://medium.com/zentoshi/utility-coins-6e49f150bb15

So why choose Zentoshi over older hosting services? Day or night, we'll be there for you, we're not a bloated company like Vultr, that will raise prices at a whim because at the end of the day you are just one in a million. And we're certainly not a cryptocurrency ICO operating illegaly. We're a smaller company, that can offer you intimate customer service, when you email us, or reach out to us, you won't be forwarded and sent to many different departments and then a resolution center, you're a Zentopian, we will solve your problem like you are one of our own.

In a few words (tl;dr) You'll experience unparalleled customer service, at cheaper rates than older companies, without having to resort to utilizing cheaper hardware, with our cutting-edge technology and business ethic, you, the Zentopian, are our main focus.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: Nathan01 on October 31, 2019, 06:00:44 AM
I think the current Whitepaper contains too much technical information regarding the primary nodes, secondary nodes and how they operate. The Whitepaper also states ''Five years to Mass adoption". So I'm wondering if you have plans to make things much simpler for non-technical people? For example - light paper, some sort of guides etc.

I think there would be a one Pager. Team would have to create a simplified version of the white paper to aid the not too geeky in comprehending the whole info about Zentoshi.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: bitcoinbillionaireboy on October 31, 2019, 09:04:39 AM
The benefits  are unlimited,  after  going  through  the whitepaper i can see a future  in zentoshi. Good luck  team!


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: Outtatime on October 31, 2019, 11:36:47 AM
Just finished reading up on this, sounds extremely promising. I have been wanting to get in on a project at the ground level so happy to see this when I did.

I see on the release schedule you have the Testnet scheduled to start tomorrow. Is that public and if so how can I join in?


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: ZentoshiOfficial on October 31, 2019, 02:24:08 PM
Just finished reading up on this, sounds extremely promising. I have been wanting to get in on a project at the ground level so happy to see this when I did.

I see on the release schedule you have the Testnet scheduled to start tomorrow. Is that public and if so how can I join in?

We have details of our testnet in both our telegram and Discord! If you would like to take part in it, please join either of those two community outlets.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: Outtatime on October 31, 2019, 02:43:57 PM
Just finished reading up on this, sounds extremely promising. I have been wanting to get in on a project at the ground level so happy to see this when I did.

I see on the release schedule you have the Testnet scheduled to start tomorrow. Is that public and if so how can I join in?

We have details of our testnet in both our telegram and Discord! If you would like to take part in it, please join either of those two community outlets.

Thanks will join the Discord and take part in the testing.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: Nathan01 on October 31, 2019, 08:58:16 PM
The benefits  are unlimited,  after  going  through  the whitepaper i can see a future  in zentoshi. Good luck  team!

Join the Discord and Telegram yet?

I bet you should If you haven't. Lots of content plus new medium articles released.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: cryptotraveller on November 01, 2019, 12:23:53 AM
You talked about Service node tech, has it been developed yet? It appears you need a pretty good business plan, Marketing, and Sales departments in order to promote your business. You need a customer and an operator, in order for your operators (investors) to profit they need to run your services, they can only run services if there is a demand. I'm interested to know more about plans for creating demand for your products.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: ZentoshiOfficial on November 01, 2019, 12:55:42 PM
You talked about Service node tech, has it been developed yet? It appears you need a pretty good business plan, Marketing, and Sales departments in order to promote your business. You need a customer and an operator, in order for your operators (investors) to profit they need to run your services, they can only run services if there is a demand. I'm interested to know more about plans for creating demand for your products.

We are using many avenues to get our services marketed for, namely for our blockchain infrastructure hosting vertical; we rely on coin partnerships like the one we have with coins like Strong Hands and PACGlobal. Two very awesome communities we assist with their hosting needs among others.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: busminer on November 01, 2019, 01:02:41 PM
The last couple of years in  masternode sector of crypo nothing new,original happened...hope you guys can bring to crypto community a breath of fresh air, I do not know how to say many beautiful and flattering words...
I just want to wish the team successful development, good partnerships and a lot of strength for long-term work )
I also want to note that I am honored to join the community team and will help as much as possible, keep in touch everyone  8)


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: ZentoshiOfficial on November 01, 2019, 03:03:02 PM
The last couple of years in  masternode sector of crypo nothing new,original happened...hope you guys can bring to crypto community a breath of fresh air, I do not know how to say many beautiful and flattering words...
I just want to wish the team successful development, good partnerships and a lot of strength for long-term work )
I also want to note that I am honored to join the community team and will help as much as possible, keep in touch everyone  8)

Thank you for the kind words! This is something I have been seeing and telling everyone I know within this marketplace. What people have forgotten is that this is software. Software can be used as we command it! MasterNodes are just a function of the network, and people in this market have gotten lost in seeing masternodes as investment vehicles when indeed they are tools for the network to succeed and create a layer of security. However, a cryptocurrency should be more than just a reiteration of the technologies that preceded it. A true coin and blockchain organization should be building new technologies that further the ideals that brought us here.

While we do use DASH technology in our stack, we only use it for its' function and base to further build out our technologies which enable our blockchain powered services and platforms. We are steering away from those ROI norms for anonymizing transactions through nodes, and providing utility payments based on their service rendered instead. Hence, our low emmitance rates. We also open our operators of such nodes to host our infrastructure where real money can be made by being compensated for utilization of a common server system. --Not too different to investing in mining hardware for your favorite coin.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: mosprognoz on November 01, 2019, 04:11:29 PM
Please share the links to the team members social profiles and post the answer here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5197839


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: necromastery on November 01, 2019, 09:00:15 PM
Please share the links to the team members social profiles and post the answer here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5197839
This is what happens if a team runs a project without clear information and only simply displays some team photos without any links. I hope the truth will soon be revealed behind this Zentoshi drama. :D


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: JollyGood on November 01, 2019, 09:14:16 PM
First of all I have to say I looked at the OP and read all of the 50 current posts in the thread at the time I posted this. I then I went to the website to look around.

In a nutshell, there are too many red flags for any investor to actually take this seriously. Maybe some bounty hunters would consider participating for some of those 7000 tokens up for grabs even if they know this project is not trustworthy because they might hope to sell as soon as they can providing they even receive their bounty in the first place.

So, here are some of the problems surrounding this project which makes me advise all potential investors and all potential bounty participants to stay well away from it.


RED FLAG #1 - The number of newbies attracted to this project
- There are a total of 50 posts in this thread excluding my one. Mine is post #51:

- Thread Page 1 posts: OP=5  Newbies=14  Full Member=1
- Thread Page 2 posts: OP=8  Newbies=6    Full Member=2  Member=2   Legendary=2
- Thread Page 3 posts: OP=3  Newbies=3    Full Member=1  Member=1   Hero Member=1  Snr Member=1

Of the posts made in this thread (excluding posts from the thread starter and those questioning its integrity necromastery x1, mine x1 and mosprognoz x1), it is dominated with newbies making around 72% (or 23 out of 32) posts.



RED FLAG #2 - The background of those newbies attracted to this project
- I will not focus on this aspect too much because there are too many newbies to list but picking up on just a handful from the first page of this thread.

User Pierre Dilecto in particular made laugh with an unbelievable amount of knowledge in this field compared to the other sock-puppets, just read his two posts.


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Name: WandererofCrypto
Posts: 6 (2 posts in this thread)
Activity: 6
Merit: 0
Position: Newbie
Date Registered: October 25, 2019, 02:42:17 PM

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Name: cryptotraveller
This user recently woke up from a long period of inactivity.
Posts: 5 (3 posts in this thread)
Activity: 5
Merit: 0
Position: Newbie
Date Registered: March 03, 2018, 11:57:48 PM

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Name: camelia_ena
Posts: 57
Activity: 57
Merit 0
Position: Newbie
Date Registered: January 10, 2017, 11:40:15 AM

Last posted on October 18, 2017, 09:25:56 PM then after over 2 years absence miraculously found this thread to make one post 3 days ago then went silent again  ::)
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Name:    Pierre Dilecto
This user's password was reset recently.
Posts:    2 (both posts in this thread)
Activity:    2
Merit:    0
Position:    Newbie
Date Registered: October 25, 2019, 02:50:42 PM
Last Active:       October 30, 2019, 07:20:33 PM

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RED FLAG #3 - The website is unforgivably pathetic
https://www.zentoshi.com/about-us
- It tells us nothing about who the actual people are with full names behind this project are
- It tells us nothing about any LLC that might be owning this project such as location, name, incorporation number - nothing

- The links in the footer for the "Terms and Conditions" and the "Policy" do not work, they are diverted to:
(https://www.cips.org/Documents/Resources/Downloadable%20documents/CoreClausesBoilerPlate.pdf)

- the footer shows "© 2019 All rights reserved. Zentoshi Limited Liability Company" which allowed a quick search to bring this up: https://www.bizapedia.com/wy/zentoshi-limited-liability-company.html
This information should be available in the About Us pages and via the FAQ too but it is not there along with names. MICHAEL WEINRUB is listed as the Organiser.



I can add more red flags but will stop here as I made my point. As mentioned earlier I would advise all potential investors and all potential bounty participants to stay well away from this project.

As for the viability of this project along with the ethos, objectives and technology behind it, it requires more investigation but for now I will stop short of calling this project a scam because so far:

 - they have made ridiculous errors on their website which will most probably be blamed on an oversight
 - seem to have deliberately hidden real information about the team behind this project
 - they have some sort of sock-puppet paid shills service pumping this Announcement thread
 - Not linked directly on their website for visitors again not giving full Team information: https://www.zentoshi.com/media/Zentoshi-Whitepaper-SD.pdf



Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: TimeTeller on November 01, 2019, 10:06:27 PM
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RED FLAG #3 - The website is unforgivably pathetic
https://www.zentoshi.com/about-us
- It tells us nothing about who the actual people are with full names behind this project are
- It tells us nothing about anything about any LLC that might be owning this project such as location, name, incorporation number - nothing

- The links in the footer for the "Terms and Conditions" and the "Policy" do not work, they are diverted to:
(https://www.cips.org/Documents/Resources/Downloadable%20documents/CoreClausesBoilerPlate.pdf)

- the footer shows "© 2019 All rights reserved. Zentoshi Limited Liability Company" which allowed a quick search to bring this up: https://www.bizapedia.com/wy/zentoshi-limited-liability-company.html
This information should be available in the About Us pages and via the FAQ too but it is not there along with names. MICHAEL WEINRUB is listed as the Organiser.


I can add more red flags but will stop here as I made my point. As mentioned earlier I would advise all potential investors and all potential bounty participants to stay well away from this project.

As for the viability of this project along with the ethos, objectives and technology behind it, it requires more investigation but for now I will stop short of calling this project a scam because so far:

 - they have made ridiculous errors on their website which will most probably be blamed on an oversight
 - seem to have deliberately hidden real information about the team behind this project
 - they have some sort of sock-puppet paid shills service pumping this Announcement thread
 - Not linked directly on their website for visitors again not giving full Team information: https://www.zentoshi.com/media/Zentoshi-Whitepaper-SD.pdf



I hope the Zentoshi team can clarify the above issues.
Also, since they mentioned that they are legally registered in the US, can they show us proof of that document?
And using the TM-symbol found on their whitepaper, is that authentic?

https://i.postimg.cc/k5PLjmmG/Screen-Shot-2019-11-02-at-6-05-37-AM.png


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: ning_aric on November 01, 2019, 11:23:43 PM

I can add more red flags but will stop here as I made my point. As mentioned earlier I would advise all potential investors and all potential bounty participants to stay well away from this project.

As for the viability of this project along with the ethos, objectives and technology behind it, it requires more investigation but for now I will stop short of calling this project a scam because so far:

 - they have made ridiculous errors on their website which will most probably be blamed on an oversight
 - seem to have deliberately hidden real information about the team behind this project
 - they have some sort of sock-puppet paid shills service pumping this Announcement thread
 - Not linked directly on their website for visitors again not giving full Team information: https://www.zentoshi.com/media/Zentoshi-Whitepaper-SD.pdf



That’s a lot of red flag. Zentoshi team needs to look into this. I had to look again, and project seems to be a work in progress. I’ll suggest the team go slow on this one. Bitcointalk is a good platform to talk about a new masternode project. Like I said, more competition in this field would be very much appreciated. But you have to make it a really good competition. Start with your ANN post by OP, make use of the editing tools on Bitcointalk and make your post professional.

I hope the Zentoshi team can clarify the above issues.
Also, since they mentioned that they are legally registered in the US, can they show us proof of that document?
And using the TM-symbol found on their whitepaper, is that authentic?

https://i.postimg.cc/k5PLjmmG/Screen-Shot-2019-11-02-at-6-05-37-AM.png

I do hope they come up with good answers.
And about the TM symbol, it’s actually not a thing. Trade Mark is different from Registered Mark known as a Capital R in a circle. They could use the TM symbol without registration. I’ll advise the team to get the name registered a soon as they can, it’s going to be a long day.


https://i.postimg.cc/65rXCGsL/F4-B60-CAA-6-F00-40-B5-B0-E7-943591-C9-FA19.jpg


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: BitPotus on November 02, 2019, 02:50:21 AM
the team looks fake as fuck.

most probably stole the images from somewhere and using them to instill a false sense of legitimacy.

this shit just feels like a scam.

 ::)


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: ZentoshiOfficial on November 02, 2019, 04:36:11 AM
Zentoshi Limited Liability Company is a legally registered Limited Liability Company in the State of Wyoming, United States which was incorporated on October 23, 2018. The company is current in all of its filings and is in good standing (State filing ID: 2018-000825660). More information about the company's corporate status and filing information can be found here: 
https://wyobiz.wy.gov/business/FilingDetails.aspx?eFNum=029068139148032188088010133253178194132190252116

The Organizer of the LLC is Michael Weinrub, a.k.a. Michael, who is the CEO of Zentoshi Limited Liability Company.

On October 23, 2018, Zentoshi registered under the provisions of House Bill (HB-70) which grants treatment of ZenX as a utility currency. Documentation on House Bill (HB-70) can be found here: https://trackbill.com/bill/wyoming-house-bill-70-open-blockchain-tokens-exemptions/1536046/

Due to the nature of ZenX as a utility currency, its purpose is to create an infrastructure which allows independent operators to bring elements of their own businesses into the Zentoshi Microcosm, earn a piece of the pie, offer additional services to users, and overall, the more entities that enter the Microcosm, the more useful the currency will become. On top of this, Zentoshi Limited Liability Company is already working to create three of its own services within the Microcosm (SunnyNode, CloudGSP and ZentoshiPay, which are detailed in the Whitepaper). Banking on the success of these three services, which will be the first within the Microcosm, is our way of trying to be the first to prove our use case.
To address part of the "lack of socials" issue which was raised, part of this was oversight and we should have made an effort to get as many of our project contributors as we could to supply us with their social media. The second part of this which I want to address, I had attempted to clarify earlier. We are a Limited Liability Company and we have regulations within the United States and the State of Wyoming that dictate employer-employee relations. There are also only two members who own actual shares of the LLC itself, those are the CEO  (Michael Weinrub) and the COO (Jonathan Vila), whose LinkedIn profiles were made available prior to, and in, our announcement post. Many of our project contributors are volunteers, and we cannot force them to have public facing social media linked to the project. In the interim of the issues raised, we've messaged all of our staff and have solicited social media information from any staff willing- and several have given us this information.

We're going to work to address the constructive criticisms where we can, and we welcome more.

There is nothing but genuine intentions here. We are a real project, with a real business, and a real blockchain. Not many projects on here can say that, even most of these announcements have anonymous posting, projects like:
Monero which has over 400k views: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.0
https://zentoshi.com/media/btt/screens/screen.png
No where is the team stated and Monero has been around for years operating like this. We understand we're a new project, and users might be jaded, but your "red flags" aren't consistent on all your announcements just the ones you choose to target.
Again another thread displaying this that is on the front page with a high number of views and involvement:
Deeponion
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2683530.0
https://zentoshi.com/media/btt/screens/screen2.png
You will find the team doesn't even have first names yet you are not there posting big red letters, to actual investors I say this, join our discord, talk to us. Don't let other people posting big red letters, poking holes that anyone can do at any project stray you away from your own decision making. Make your own decisions, bitcoin originally came out no one knew who the team was, but the technology was fascinating and now years later we are here and we still don't know who Satoshi is. Our faces are on there, we posted our linkedin and part of the team is attached. Look at our technology, we'll be releasing testnet soon for you to try, actually read our whitepaper which contains all of our information and decide on our business whether it's the right fit for you, either ways we plan on being here for a long time.
Thank you for your interest, please continue posting questions about the project we welcome all constructive criticism and questions.



the team looks fake as fuck.

most probably stole the images from somewhere and using them to instill a false sense of legitimacy.

this shit just feels like a scam.

 ::)

Hello BitPotus, these pictures are our real faces and real names, you can find them again on our linkedin:
CEO: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-weinrub-851a6b2b/
COO: https://linkedin.com/in/jonathan-vila-b98a4a159/

We invite you to search the pictures and do your due diligence, they are not stolen. Our project aims to be professional, give the whitepaper a read and learn what we are about, feel free to join our discord and come talk to us!
https://discord.gg/7e7nAjh


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: JollyGood on November 02, 2019, 10:17:30 AM
@ ZentoshiOfficial - Please answer the following three questions. Thank you.



1) Why are over 70% of the posts from alleged interested parties in this thread of 3 pages made by newbies?



2) Why would newbie user accounts clearly associated with scammers that offer their services to pump threads for a few USD$ in the hope generating fake buzz be posting here to pump this thread?



3) Why are the https://www.zentoshi.com/ footer links for the "Terms and Conditions" and the "Policy" diverted to a page about boilers and boiler plates over 12 hours after I highlighted the issue in my previous post?
(https://www.cips.org/Documents/Resources/Downloadable%20documents/CoreClausesBoilerPlate.pdf)


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: mosprognoz on November 02, 2019, 10:36:33 AM
Deeponion

Deeponion was a biggest airdrop scam in crypto history. Here is the trust page of OP

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=321080

Bitcointalk has unofficial rules for any legit project

1. Project must be transparent and all identities of team members must be revealed. (Limks to social media platforms profiles are necessary)

2. Thread should be NOT BUMPED with hired paid shills and  low quality shitposters, because that is the first sign of scam.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: P.Krymov on November 02, 2019, 01:44:51 PM
Deeponion

Deeponion was a biggest airdrop scam in crypto history. Here is the trust page of OP

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=321080

Bitcointalk has unofficial rules for any legit project

1. Project must be transparent and all identities of team members must be revealed. (Limks to social media platforms profiles are necessary)

2. Thread should be NOT BUMPED with hired paid shills and  low quality shitposters, because that is the first sign of scam.

And where to read about this scam? I missed everything


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: mosprognoz on November 02, 2019, 02:43:27 PM
And where to read about this scam? I missed everything

Here are topics about deeponion scam.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2096277

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2057229.1500


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: ZentoshiOfficial on November 02, 2019, 02:44:02 PM
Good Morning everyone,
Deeponion

Deeponion was a biggest airdrop scam in crypto history. Here is the trust page of OP

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=321080

Bitcointalk has unofficial rules for any legit project

1. Project must be transparent and all identities of team members must be revealed. (Limks to social media platforms profiles are necessary)

2. Thread should be NOT BUMPED with hired paid shills and  low quality shitposters, because that is the first sign of scam.

We are unaware of any unofficial rules, in regards to this:

We have not spent any budget whatsoever on hired paid shills or anything. Our project was bumped by a hero member who personally reached out to us and really took a liking to this project after the announcement was made, for the most part we were at page 4. Since then he personally posted us on his own channels and bitcointalk threads that he hosts about masternode coins. This was out of his own free will, we did not pay him.
These can be found here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1879473.msg52941970#msg52941970

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1572363.msg52941971#msg52941971

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2754075.msg52941973#msg52941973

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2178749.msg52941975#msg52941975
You are free to consult him personally and confirm this.

In regards to newbie accounts or posts early on,
We made an announcement to our community that we were making a bttann post and to ask any questions or show support to us there, these aren't paid they are just people genuinely interested in our project and that have questions. They were the first to pay attention to our thread since we posted a link in discord, and for the most part we were at the bottom of the pages in this Altcoin Announcements, so for many of you, you were unable to find us.

In terms of the project being transparent, I have procured a list in hopes to remedy this issue and abide by the unofficial rules listed (I will edit this post and grow it as more of our team members agree to share):
CEO Michael: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-weinrub-851a6b2b/
COO Jonathan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-vila-b98a4a159/
Cameron: Twitter is @Yankeeruinx
    Reddit is u/Yankeeruinx
Arcane: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stefan-hansen-2ba2479/
Andrew: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-meyer-a4a668197/
Alihan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alihan-%C3%A7elikcan-333544178/
Jerry: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremy-vila-62097313a/
Konnov: https://www.linkedin.com/in/konnovdev/
Spencer: https://www.linkedin.com/in/spencer-ford-4a54a3179/
Vijay: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vijay-bikkina-731664197/
Kinkade: https://www.linkedin.com/in/felix-shikaa-018399162
Laurel: https://www.linkedin.com/in/raphael-ukinebo-00958587
Kou: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kourosh-tabassi-43b63361/
Johan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johan-andersson-604719197/
In this list you will find top officials in our team, the full marketing team, all chief officers CDO, COO, CEO, CMO, our HR department, and our developers except Barry who refuses to be on socials.
I hope this will put your minds at ease, and we can move forward to questions about the technology or the project itself,


@ ZentoshiOfficial - Please answer the following three questions. Thank you.



1) Why are over 70% of the posts from alleged interested parties in this thread of 3 pages made by newbies?



2) Why would newbie user accounts clearly associated with scammers that offer their services to pump threads for a few USD$ in the hope generating fake buzz be posting here to pump this thread?



3) Why are the https://www.zentoshi.com/ footer links for the "Terms and Conditions" and the "Policy" diverted to a page about boilers and boiler plates over 12 hours after I highlighted the issue in my previous post?
(https://www.cips.org/Documents/Resources/Downloadable%20documents/CoreClausesBoilerPlate.pdf)


Please check my above answers for 1-2, we haven't spent a single dollar/btc/eth etc on any generation of fake buzz.
In terms of your question about Terms and Conditions and Policy,
Our project isn't live yet. We will be live on November 7th, this is still on our to do list and we're talking with a legal team procuring such documents, we'll have it up by the 7th of November when we are officially live. We'd like to remind everyone that we're announcing our project to your community as we are at the home stretch of developing for over a year and a half. We started out a year ago as just devs trying to push the boundaries of current blockchain technology into something new and progress it. Since then we've built a business around that technology and are at the final bits. We appreciate all concerns, please let us know if you have anymore questions,
The Zentoshi Team


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: mosprognoz on November 02, 2019, 02:58:13 PM
In terms of the project being transparent, I have procured a list in hopes to remedy this issue and abide by the unofficial rules listed (I will edit this post and grow it as more of our team members agree to share):
CEO Michael: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-weinrub-851a6b2b/
COO Jonathan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-vila-b98a4a159/
Cameron: Twitter is @Yankeeruinx
    Reddit is u/Yankeeruinx
Arcane: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stefan-hansen-2ba2479/
Andrew: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-meyer-a4a668197/
Alihan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alihan-%C3%A7elikcan-333544178/
Jerry: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremy-vila-62097313a/
Konnov: https://www.linkedin.com/in/konnovdev/
Spencer: https://www.linkedin.com/in/spencer-ford-4a54a3179/
Vijay: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vijay-bikkina-731664197/
Kinkade: https://www.linkedin.com/in/felix-shikaa-018399162
Laurel: https://www.linkedin.com/in/raphael-ukinebo-00958587
Kou: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kourosh-tabassi-43b63361/
Johan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johan-andersson-604719197/
In this list you will find top officials in our team, the full marketing team, all chief officers CDO, COO, CEO, CMO, our HR department, and our developers except Barry how refuses to be on socials.
I hope this will put your minds at ease, and we can move forward to questions about the technology or the project itself,

This is much more better. You should post all that info on your website and ANN. I suggest you to make that corrections and post full names of developers including links provided above. I will close the topic regarding your team. I guess you understand now how the legit project must be announced here on bitcointalk. Also avoid newbie bumping and shitposting in your thread, because it is useless according to new rules.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5183553.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5183878.0

Have a nice day.
Alex


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: JollyGood on November 02, 2019, 02:58:37 PM
Please check my above answers for 1-2, we haven't spent a single dollar/btc/eth etc on any generation of fake buzz.
Then why would newbies associated with sock-puppet accounts be using your thread to ask amazing questions to entice an apt response?

Those sock-puppet scammer accounts have not been busy on mega project threads such as Bitcoin, Ethereum, XRP or anything else but somehow they woke up one day and literally said "HALLELUJAH PRAISE THE LORD" and were somehow guided by divine intervention to your announcement thread? Even those ridiculous ones that woke up after a 2 year period of inactivity just to wake up to post here then vanish again?

What little benefit of the doubt I was giving you is almost eroded. Pathetic. Instead of owning up and saying you made a mistake by hiring a paid shill team you claim innocence.




In terms of your question about Terms and Conditions and Policy,
Our project isn't live yet.

We will be live on November 7th, this is still on our to do list and we're talking with a legal team procuring such documents, we'll have it up by the 7th of November when we are officially live.

We'd like to remind everyone that we're announcing our project to your community as we are at the home stretch of developing for over a year and a half.

We started out a year ago as just devs trying to push the boundaries of current blockchain technology into something new and progress it.

Since then we've built a business around that technology and are at the final bits. We appreciate all concerns, please let us know if you have anymore questions,

The Zentoshi Team
Since you paragraphed everything together and it would misdirect I decided to spread out response.

I was fairly sure you would post in the format you did and again there is nothing impressive about it because any sort of misdirection you have an opportunity to use is going to be taken.

Having said that let us analyse what you wrote....

You are listing Terms and Condition plus Privacy policy on a website that you are diverting people for a project that is supposed to go live on 7th November 2019 but you are saying your legal team has not completed the documents? Knowing that you are promoting your whitepaper and allowing people to visit your site and sign up WITHOUT teling them what the terms actually are and how their data will be used because the privacy policy does not exist?

In simple terms if your website is not ready why are you promoting your project using it? That is one of the worst things you can do as a business. Lack of Terms and Conditions and Privacy policy clearly shows as a business you and your team are inept as far as commerce is comncerned.

Give it up, stop right here and do not think about getting rich of the back of a token that will make you rich. If you really had been pushing the boundaries of blockchain for over a year then you would have had a complete product by now with no requirement for a token sale.

I am done with this subject about giving you the benefit of any doubt. I still will not say you are scammers but I will say that you are an amatuer who is way out of his league here and if the token sale goes ahead you will make some money and within months the project will be officially dead even though unofficially it will probably die immediately after the token sale regardless of soft/hard caps.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: mosprognoz on November 02, 2019, 03:04:43 PM
You are listing Terms and Condition plus Privacy policy on a website that you are diverting people for a project that is supposed to go live on 7th November 2019 but you are saying your legal team has not completed the documents? Knowing that you are promoting your whitepaper and allowing people to visit your site and sign up WITHOUT teling them what the terms actually are and how their data will be used because the privacy policy does not exist?

I am done with this subject about giving you the benefit of any doubt. I still will not say you are scammers but I will say that you are an amatuer who is way out of his league here and if the token sale goes ahead you will make some money and within months the project will be officially dead even though unofficially it will probably die immediately after the token sale regardless of soft/hard caps.


That has to be taken in consideration by OP. I really hope that all our remarks will be a good lesson for them. I also posted a warning regarding paid shills and thread bumpers


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: JollyGood on November 02, 2019, 03:16:47 PM
That has to be taken in consideration by OP. I really hope that all our remarks will be a good lesson for them. I also posted a warning regarding paid shills and thread bumpers

The OP has denied using paid shills, on the contrary claiming he knows nothing about it.

Somehow, according to the OP potential users on Discord and alike might have found their way here. No, I do not believe it as there is no evidence to back it up but there is evidence newbies without posting history pumped this thread before questions about its integrity and viability were raised.

He should have used the opportunity to apologise and admit his error and then promise not to use shills and sock-puppets again but he opted to deny it. That in itself is a major problem because if a project member can lie over something so trivial even in the face mounting evidence and irrefutable evidence then maybe they have been lying about other things and maybe they will lie about others things especially convenient lies when the project goes under and investors lose their funds.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: mosprognoz on November 02, 2019, 03:24:52 PM
That has to be taken in consideration by OP. I really hope that all our remarks will be a good lesson for them. I also posted a warning regarding paid shills and thread bumpers

The OP has denied using paid shills, on the contrary claiming he knows nothing about it.

Somehow, according to the OP potential users on Discord and alike might have found their way here. No, I do not believe it as there is no evidence to back it up but there is evidence newbies without posting history pumped this thread before questions about its integrity and viability were raised.

He should have used the opportunity to apologise and admit his error and then promise not to use shills and sock-puppets again but he opted to deny it. That in itself is a major problem because if a project member can lie over something so trivial even in the face mounting evidence and irrefutable evidence then maybe they have been lying about other things and maybe they will lie about others things especially convenient lies when the project goes under and investors lose their funds.

That was their mistake. They should study everything closely, before doing all that shit. Now the reputation of this project is damaged and I highly doubt that anyone will invest here. As you said OP is an amateur and does not understand how to announce the project in the right way. Using shills and shitposters was the biggest mistake, together with hiding team members names. We clarified everything and now it is up to them how to proceed.    


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: CjMapope on November 02, 2019, 06:45:25 PM
I got lost in that massive OP, are they soliciting funds? i just saw PoW+premine for distro i thought..
Im not picky, ill mine most shit, i never care if a team is anon as long as their not asking for money up front for anything (although the massive "team" IS also weird i agree)
Premines are premines, miners can make their choice on if they are worth it or not for each project for them to get involved with their hashpower
I like this algo, balloon was an old classic that never really got its day imo
The thing i wonder if how they thought to use it, as it was kinda some shady projects algo when it appeared the first times around here... are the same people involved here?
and the newbies in this thread are dreadfully weird for sure haha. block reward is kinda chinsy too! :P

See how it goes!



Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: busminer on November 02, 2019, 07:53:06 PM
That has to be taken in consideration by OP. I really hope that all our remarks will be a good lesson for them. I also posted a warning regarding paid shills and thread bumpers

The OP has denied using paid shills, on the contrary claiming he knows nothing about it.

Somehow, according to the OP potential users on Discord and alike might have found their way here. No, I do not believe it as there is no evidence to back it up but there is evidence newbies without posting history pumped this thread before questions about its integrity and viability were raised.

He should have used the opportunity to apologise and admit his error and then promise not to use shills and sock-puppets again but he opted to deny it. That in itself is a major problem because if a project member can lie over something so trivial even in the face mounting evidence and irrefutable evidence then maybe they have been lying about other things and maybe they will lie about others things especially convenient lies when the project goes under and investors lose their funds.

That was their mistake. They should study everything closely, before doing all that shit. Now the reputation of this project is damaged and I highly doubt that anyone will invest here. As you said OP is an amateur and does not understand how to announce the project in the right way. Using shills and shitposters was the biggest mistake, together with hiding team members names. We clarified everything and now it is up to them how to proceed.    
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Now the reputation of this project is damaged and I highly doubt that anyone will invest here. As you said OP is an amateur and does not understand how to announce the project in the right way.
damaged...you guys pointed them to the mistakes they made, the team responds, does something...you sound like you're burying a project that hasn't been born yet.
in any case, the project is under the close supervision of the local guardians of order, but let's be tolerant and do not jump to conclusions.
ps
best wishes
yousr not paid shills thread bumper


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: ning_aric on November 02, 2019, 09:23:31 PM

In terms of the project being transparent, I have procured a list in hopes to remedy this issue and abide by the unofficial rules listed (I will edit this post and grow it as more of our team members agree to share):
CEO Michael: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-weinrub-851a6b2b/
COO Jonathan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-vila-b98a4a159/
Cameron: Twitter is @Yankeeruinx
    Reddit is u/Yankeeruinx
Arcane: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stefan-hansen-2ba2479/
Andrew: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-meyer-a4a668197/
Alihan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alihan-%C3%A7elikcan-333544178/
Jerry: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremy-vila-62097313a/
Konnov: https://www.linkedin.com/in/konnovdev/
Spencer: https://www.linkedin.com/in/spencer-ford-4a54a3179/
Vijay: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vijay-bikkina-731664197/
Kinkade: https://www.linkedin.com/in/felix-shikaa-018399162
Laurel: https://www.linkedin.com/in/raphael-ukinebo-00958587
Kou: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kourosh-tabassi-43b63361/
Johan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johan-andersson-604719197/
In this list you will find top officials in our team, the full marketing team, all chief officers CDO, COO, CEO, CMO, our HR department, and our developers except Barry how refuses to be on socials.
I hope this will put your minds at ease, and we can move forward to questions about the technology or the project itself,

I’ll suggest you go on to update your ANN thread with these information. Anyone visiting you btt thread would like to know these information is available and doesn’t need to read every single comment on the thread to find out.

Next, I’ll suggest you go on with discussions about the project and what you have to offer. Lesson must have been learnt, I hope this turns out as more adverting for you, since you’ve showed yourself to be transparent.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: ZentoshiOfficial on November 02, 2019, 10:09:27 PM
Good evening everyone, Zentoshi team here

That has to be taken in consideration by OP. I really hope that all our remarks will be a good lesson for them. I also posted a warning regarding paid shills and thread bumpers

The OP has denied using paid shills, on the contrary claiming he knows nothing about it.

Somehow, according to the OP potential users on Discord and alike might have found their way here. No, I do not believe it as there is no evidence to back it up but there is evidence newbies without posting history pumped this thread before questions about its integrity and viability were raised.

He should have used the opportunity to apologise and admit his error and then promise not to use shills and sock-puppets again but he opted to deny it. That in itself is a major problem because if a project member can lie over something so trivial even in the face mounting evidence and irrefutable evidence then maybe they have been lying about other things and maybe they will lie about others things especially convenient lies when the project goes under and investors lose their funds.

Hello Jolly,
As we mentioned, we haven't paid for a single bit of advertising for BTT. We made an announcement on our discord to our community that we posted an ANN thread when we posted it, and we wrote an article on medium, in both of these we told them if they had any questions to ask their. Some of them made their way on to this forum, created accounts and posted their questions, all to which was genuine interest on the project. We're unsure if our community should be excluded from your forum simply because they found the project before you did, but for the most part we were stuck on page 4-8. The only ones who saw us were our community for the majority of the time, until a hero member found us, read our whitepaper and liked it. He bumped our thread which pushed it to page 1, which is when you found it.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/405110360140677120/640309720451907585/unknown.png
Our Medium article, we've posted it a few other places, these people were the first ones to find our BTT, and many made accounts here just to ask questions.

Please we encourage you to read our whitepaper, it seems you are uninformed about major aspects of our project, we are not an ICO. Please continue to read my response to the next post as we will be detailing some of the technology you can take advantage of and how to become a Zentopian  :)

I got lost in that massive OP, are they soliciting funds? i just saw PoW+premine for distro i thought..
Im not picky, ill mine most shit, i never care if a team is anon as long as their not asking for money up front for anything (although the massive "team" IS also weird i agree)
Premines are premines, miners can make their choice on if they are worth it or not for each project for them to get involved with their hashpower
I like this algo, balloon was an old classic that never really got its day imo
The thing i wonder if how they thought to use it, as it was kinda some shady projects algo when it appeared the first times around here... are the same people involved here?
and the newbies in this thread are dreadfully weird for sure haha. block reward is kinda chinsy too! :P

See how it goes!



Hello CJ,

We are a PoW/PoS we have duality from combining bitcoin core v018 the latest with dash evo implementation. We are one of the firsts to be able to achieve this, we plan to make it public and allow many to fork us and take advantage of this cutting edge technology. One of the benefits beyond security of the latest tech, is something that we think will interest you alot.
You can mine Zentoshi coins, then use those coins to Stake, and when you have enough you can run a ZentoshiNode. To run your ZentoshiNode you can head over to SunnyNode and get a 20% discount on VPS hosting (as we own our very own hardware) for less than a dollar a month using Zentoshi coins! On top of this as we release more platforms you'll be able to enjoy more utilities, our next one is GSP, which is a gaming server provider.
In terms of our algo, the original Balloon algorithm had some issues, we are using our own modified version of balloon in order to remedy these issues and keep the best parts of balloon.
Join our discord or telegram to keep up to date, we'll be having testnet soon!

That has to be taken in consideration by OP. I really hope that all our remarks will be a good lesson for them. I also posted a warning regarding paid shills and thread bumpers

The OP has denied using paid shills, on the contrary claiming he knows nothing about it.

Somehow, according to the OP potential users on Discord and alike might have found their way here. No, I do not believe it as there is no evidence to back it up but there is evidence newbies without posting history pumped this thread before questions about its integrity and viability were raised.

He should have used the opportunity to apologize and admit his error and then promise not to use shills and sock-puppets again but he opted to deny it. That in itself is a major problem because if a project member can lie over something so trivial even in the face mounting evidence and irrefutable evidence then maybe they have been lying about other things and maybe they will lie about others things especially convenient lies when the project goes under and investors lose their funds.

That was their mistake. They should study everything closely, before doing all that shit. Now the reputation of this project is damaged and I highly doubt that anyone will invest here. As you said OP is an amateur and does not understand how to announce the project in the right way. Using shills and shitposters was the biggest mistake, together with hiding team members names. We clarified everything and now it is up to them how to proceed.   
Quote
Now the reputation of this project is damaged and I highly doubt that anyone will invest here. As you said OP is an amateur and does not understand how to announce the project in the right way.
damaged...you guys pointed them to the mistakes they made, the team responds, does something...you sound like you're burying a project that hasn't been born yet.
in any case, the project is under the close supervision of the local guardians of order, but let's be tolerant and do not jump to conclusions.
ps
best wishes
yousr not paid shills thread bumper

Thank you busminer, we're glad you found your way on to our discord, We do not believe our reputation has been damaged in any way shape or form. We advertise on many channels BTT is just one of them, as respect to the tradition of coin announcements we decided to make our debut here and are happy to do so. Some of the constructive criticism has been helpful and I appreciate mosprognoz for helping us better our project by making it more transparent, and keeping a professional demeanor as he engaged in his concerns.


To all our readers
Our company will  be here for the long term. We run based on real platforms, the first thing we accomplished was making SunnyNode sustainable as we were working on the coin, this was the first step we established. We'll continue to release platforms in markets we know we can succeed in using our business expertise, as these platforms generate traffic and add use cases they will provide upward pressure to the coin along with the low supply which will be met with high demand. Furthermore the ones providing value to our coin are our miners. They will always set a baseline to the value of the coin as mining requires power which has a cost, and no miner will sell at a loss. These miners will find themselves at a happy position as they will be supplying our microcosm with the coins to power it. Those with enough coins will run our infrastructure and enjoy a different way of receiving rewards. We aren't a x1000 ROI Masternode shitcoin that is just some fork with no real technology. We're compensating our ZentoshiNodes by using them to run the infrastructure of our platforms, please read more in our whitepaper detailing this technology  ;)

SunnyNode is currently upgrading all of its hardware and negotiating better terms with our data center successfully to be able to offer even cheaper prices but is still generating from just a landing page:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/485238534035472404/639400489745776660/unknown.png

We will happily answer anymore questions and come to our discord or telegram for a welcoming greeting and a friendly environment, we'll be launching testnet soon, all are welcome, I do hope Jolly that you get involved and give us a chance  ;D




In terms of the project being transparent, I have procured a list in hopes to remedy this issue and abide by the unofficial rules listed (I will edit this post and grow it as more of our team members agree to share):
CEO Michael: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-weinrub-851a6b2b/
COO Jonathan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-vila-b98a4a159/
Cameron: Twitter is @Yankeeruinx
    Reddit is u/Yankeeruinx
Arcane: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stefan-hansen-2ba2479/
Andrew: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-meyer-a4a668197/
Alihan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alihan-%C3%A7elikcan-333544178/
Jerry: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremy-vila-62097313a/
Konnov: https://www.linkedin.com/in/konnovdev/
Spencer: https://www.linkedin.com/in/spencer-ford-4a54a3179/
Vijay: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vijay-bikkina-731664197/
Kinkade: https://www.linkedin.com/in/felix-shikaa-018399162
Laurel: https://www.linkedin.com/in/raphael-ukinebo-00958587
Kou: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kourosh-tabassi-43b63361/
Johan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johan-andersson-604719197/
In this list you will find top officials in our team, the full marketing team, all chief officers CDO, COO, CEO, CMO, our HR department, and our developers except Barry how refuses to be on socials.
I hope this will put your minds at ease, and we can move forward to questions about the technology or the project itself,

I’ll suggest you go on to update your ANN thread with these information. Anyone visiting you btt thread would like to know these information is available and doesn’t need to read every single comment on the thread to find out.

Next, I’ll suggest you go on with discussions about the project and what you have to offer. Lesson must have been learnt, I hope this turns out as more adverting for you, since you’ve showed yourself to be transparent.

Hello Ning_aric
Thank you for the advice, we have update our ANN thread with these information so anyone visiting our BTT thread will be able to know this,

Zentoshi Team


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: JollyGood on November 02, 2019, 10:38:25 PM
Hello Ning_aric
Thank you for the advice, we have update our ANN thread with these information so anyone visiting our BTT thread will be able to know this,

Zentoshi Team
It has been over 24 hours since I informed you the links in the website footer are  incorrect: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5196479.msg52952920#msg52952920

The links that are supposed to be directed to your Privacy Policy which is listed as Policy page and your Terms and Conditions pages do not work.

What is stopping you from not even fixing that essential piece of information?

Links are being diverted to: https://www.cips.org/Documents/Resources/Downloadable documents/CoreClausesBoilerPlate.pdf



Hello Jolly,
As we mentioned, we haven't paid for a single bit of advertising for BTT. We made an announcement on our discord to our community that we posted an ANN thread when we posted it, and we wrote an article on medium, in both of these we told them if they had any questions to ask their. Some of them made their way on to this forum, created accounts and posted their questions, all to which was genuine interest on the project. We're unsure if our community should be excluded from your forum simply because they found the project before you did, but for the most part we were stuck on page 4-8. The only ones who saw us were our community for the majority of the time, until a hero member found us, read our whitepaper and liked it. He bumped our thread which pushed it to page 1, which is when you found it.

Our Medium article, we've posted it a few other places, these people were the first ones to find our BTT, and many made accounts here just to ask questions.

Please we encourage you to read our whitepaper, it seems you are uninformed about major aspects of our project, we are not an ICO. Please continue to read my response to the next post as we will be detailing some of the technology you can take advantage of and how to become a Zentopian  :)


Would you encourage people to visit your website at https://www.zentoshi.com to download your whitepaper before or after they can read your privacy policy to understand what you will and will not do with the data you collect about people browsing your website?

And would you encourage people to visit your website at https://www.zentoshi.com to download your whitepaper before or after they can your terms and conditions to understand from a legal perspective exactly who is the owner of the website and who they can seek liabilities from in which jurisdiction if things ever get to a litigation stage?

I only ask about the above because any bonafide genuine LLC or incorporation would have ensured those essential pieces of information were in place long before the website went live.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: Rikafip on November 03, 2019, 10:15:46 AM
So you claim that you are not shilling your Ann, but the moment people started asking about it, newbies suddenly disappeared. How convenient.


I see that you added team members, and one of them is your CMO " Cameron", but without picture at the moment.

https://i.postimg.cc/1RCjFttp/cameron-cmo.png

His contacts are

https://i.postimg.cc/TYnN4c0c/cameron-twitt.png


Then i saw bitcointalk user Yankeeruinx (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1106232) asking some questions and OP answering. Is it just a coincidence, that your CMO has same twitter and reddit profile name as the bitcointalk user with the same name asking questions in your Ann? After seeing so many shady practices, i don't believe in coincidence.

https://i.postimg.cc/yNhV697h/yankee1.png

https://i.postimg.cc/8zMGwWf8/yankee2.png

Also, another proof  that is the same person behind  twitter, reddit and bitcointalk acc is that all those 3 accounts are active on Stakenet (https://stakenet.io/) social media platforms.

Twitter
https://i.postimg.cc/d3f6x4SJ/yankeetwitter.png

Reddit
https://i.postimg.cc/y8jjq1Gf/yankeered.png

Stakenet Ann
https://i.postimg.cc/7PNfn5JQ/yankestake.png




Then another case of very similar bitcointalk  username as your team member, asking questions, vilajerry5 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2702692)
https://i.postimg.cc/3xQtTDNF/Jvilla.png

Your team member Jerry Villa
https://i.postimg.cc/DyvqddSD/Jvillaz.png




Care to explain all this?








Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: JollyGood on November 03, 2019, 11:28:00 AM
Care to explain all this?

Thank you for the excellent post. I look forward to their reply.

..... And after around 36 hours after reporting the ridiculous error in the website footer links, they have been - edited.

What would you think of a website that cannot add terms and conditions as well as privacy policy links and actual legal policies to its own website?


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: ZentoshiOfficial on November 03, 2019, 01:45:19 PM
Care to explain all this?

Thank you for the excellent post. I look forward to their reply.

..... And after around 36 hours after reporting the ridiculous error in the website footer links, they have been - edited.

What would you think of a website that cannot add terms and conditions as well as privacy policy links and actual legal policies to its own website?

Hello Jolly, good afternoon,

Our legal team had until November 7th, that was the deadline we gave them to finish these documents among others for our LLC. I appreciate your patience as if you are a business owner and have created these documents before you might be aware that they aren't just procured in a single day and our team works Monday-Friday. We've turned this into a priority to get fulfilled as soon as possible within next week (Monday-Tuesday). Thank you for your concerns

So you claim that you are not shilling your Ann, but the moment people started asking about it, newbies suddenly disappeared. How convenient.


I see that you added team members, and one of them is your CMO " Cameron", but without picture at the moment.

https://i.postimg.cc/1RCjFttp/cameron-cmo.png


His contacts are

https://i.postimg.cc/TYnN4c0c/cameron-twitt.png


Then i saw bitcointalk user Yankeeruinx (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1106232) asking some questions and OP answering. Is it just a coincidence, that your CMO has same twitter and reddit profile name as the bitcointalk user with the same name asking questions in your Ann? After seeing so many shady practices, i don't believe in coincidence.

https://i.postimg.cc/yNhV697h/yankee1.png

https://i.postimg.cc/8zMGwWf8/yankee2.png

Also, another proof  that is the same person behind  twitter, reddit and bitcointalk acc is that all those 3 accounts are active on Stakenet (https://stakenet.io/) social media platforms.

Twitter
https://i.postimg.cc/d3f6x4SJ/yankeetwitter.png

Reddit
https://i.postimg.cc/y8jjq1Gf/yankeered.png

Stakenet Ann
https://i.postimg.cc/7PNfn5JQ/yankestake.png




Then another case of very similar bitcointalk  username as your team member, asking questions, vilajerry5 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2702692)
https://i.postimg.cc/3xQtTDNF/Jvilla.png

Your team member Jerry Villa
https://i.postimg.cc/DyvqddSD/Jvillaz.png




Care to explain all this?








Hello Rikafip,
Cameron who is indeed yankee posted his formal response at your thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5198234.0
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/405110360140677120/640546949279383592/unknown.png

Neither him nor our developer who we just recently brought on the team are shilling services but team members. They posted genuine questions about the project, our dev posted a question that he thought most people wouldn't know about balloon algo and that he thought we should expand upon. Neither were paid for this and did this out of their own free will,
Hope this clears up some confusion, as I'd like to restate what we previously stated:
We did not pay a cent for any kind of bump or shilling services
There is nothing to hide, as you can tell by their usernames they had no intention to hide the fact that they are team members, nor did we.
Please let us know if you have more questions,
Yours in service,
Zentoshi


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: Yankeeruinx on November 03, 2019, 01:57:18 PM
Please see my reply here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5198234.new#new


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: WandererofCrypto on November 03, 2019, 02:18:23 PM
So you claim that you are not shilling your Ann, but the moment people started asking about it, newbies suddenly disappeared. How convenient.

I am still here, I have been monitoring this thread to see how the team handled and resolved it. You all have pointed out many concerns and criticisms that seem to hold some validity. I felt that I should withdraw myself for a while until things resolved themselves.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: lancem on November 03, 2019, 02:29:40 PM
Keep posting updates and stuff, don't leave the entire thread to one guy's issues.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: JollyGood on November 03, 2019, 02:43:32 PM
Care to explain all this?
Thank you for the excellent post. I look forward to their reply.

..... And after around 36 hours after reporting the ridiculous error in the website footer links, they have been - edited.

What would you think of a website that cannot add terms and conditions as well as privacy policy links and actual legal policies to its own website?

Hello Jolly, good afternoon,

Our legal team had until November 7th, that was the deadline we gave them to finish these documents among others for our LLC. I appreciate your patience as if you are a business owner and have created these documents before you might be aware that they aren't just procured in a single day and our team works Monday-Friday. We've turned this into a priority to get fulfilled as soon as possible within next week (Monday-Tuesday). Thank you for your concerns

Thank you for your reply. Good afternoon to you too.

I find it hard to believe your reasons for effectively launching your website with so many issues regardless of when your project is supposed to go live.

I also find it hard to believe that you cannot explain or justify why sock-puppets accounts (controlled by a paid shills service or otherwise) have miraculously found this thread to ask questions and prompt answers from you followed by another miracle that they stopped posting here as soon as questions of integrity were raised.

When a project has so many issues long before their launch date, it really cannot be taken seriously.



Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: WandererofCrypto on November 03, 2019, 02:57:19 PM
Care to explain all this?
Thank you for the excellent post. I look forward to their reply.

..... And after around 36 hours after reporting the ridiculous error in the website footer links, they have been - edited.

What would you think of a website that cannot add terms and conditions as well as privacy policy links and actual legal policies to its own website?

Hello Jolly, good afternoon,

Our legal team had until November 7th, that was the deadline we gave them to finish these documents among others for our LLC. I appreciate your patience as if you are a business owner and have created these documents before you might be aware that they aren't just procured in a single day and our team works Monday-Friday. We've turned this into a priority to get fulfilled as soon as possible within next week (Monday-Tuesday). Thank you for your concerns

Thank you for your reply. Good afternoon to you too.

I find it hard to believe your reasons for effectively launching your website with so many issues regardless of when your project is supposed to go live.

I also find it hard to believe that you cannot explain or justify why sock-puppets accounts (controlled by a paid shills or otherwise) have miraculously found this thread to ask questions and prompt answers from you followed by another miracle that they stopped posting here as soon as questions of integrity were raised.

When a project has so many issues long before their launch date, it really cannot be taken seriously.



If you'd like I can explain how I arrived here personally. I have also explained about two lines up where I went when accusations began to fly.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: Yankeeruinx on November 03, 2019, 03:01:25 PM
To be honest I think it’s very simple:

1 - Team page having mandatory social links is not something I have ever been aware of. I have worked for Stakenet for 2 years and I’m not even on the team page there as I have no desire to be in the spotlight and would prefer to be anon, which to be fair is one the the hallmarks of crypto. Certain team members don’t mind however and that’s there choice.

2 - As already stated that the BTT Ann thread was announced on all Zentoshi social channels as going live so of course community members will come and post to show support. I made 2 posts myself, 1 of which was a genuine question at the time however but still I could have easily asked on Discord I suppose.

3 - We are talking about T&C’s in the footer of the website, like seriously scraping the barrel with that one. They have said they will resolve it, it’s the weekend not everyone is at work as people will be spending time with their families and loved ones.

Frankly I find this entire “witch-hunt” for lack of a better term disgusting. I have only been with the team for 2 weeks but there are people that have been working on Zentoshi for well over a year to get it ready for launch. All funded by their own personal finances, there is no ICO or anything like that with which they have raised funds and you come in here with these accusations making huge posts to discredit everything they have worked on.

Sure I guess some mistakes where made with the ANN thread in regards to thread “bumping” rules but that’s like literally it and you are making this molehill into a mountain. They have stated the issues raised will be resolved so no problem.

It’s funny but all of this could have easily been resolved in 5 mins just by joining the Discord or something and talking with the team directly but guess it was “quicker” to make a huge post to try and discredit everything as a giant scam I guess.....


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: JollyGood on November 03, 2019, 03:32:46 PM
To be honest I think it’s very simple:

1 - Team page having mandatory social links is not something I have ever been aware of. I have worked for Stakenet for 2 years and I’m not even on the team page there as I have no desire to be in the spotlight and would prefer to be anon, which to be fair is one the the hallmarks of crypto. Certain team members don’t mind however and that’s there choice.
Yes team members not having social media links in not mandatory but it helps in the decision making progress when contemplating if the project is bonafide or not. It was not myself or Rikafip that raised that point, it was another forum member.



2 - As already stated that the BTT Ann thread was announced on all Zentoshi social channels as going live so of course community members will come and post to show support. I made 2 posts myself, 1 of which was a genuine question at the time however but still I could have easily asked on Discord I suppose.
Yet you ask the genuine question here in this forum so you and others could receive the genuine reply but their team expect others to join the Discord to ask genuine questions that concern them?



3 - We are talking about T&C’s in the footer of the website, like seriously scraping the barrel with that one. They have said they will resolve it, it’s the weekend not everyone is at work as people will be spending time with their families and loved ones.
The fact that you have trivialised such an essential aspect of the trust building exercise by mentioning 'T&C’s in the footer of the website, like seriously scraping the barrel with that one' in the condescending manner you opted shows attempt at part misdirection and part ignorance on your part. It took around 36 hours from me informing them that the two essential policies links in the footer of their website were being diverted to a boiler plate PDF document.

I completely reject the notion that 'They have said they will resolve it, it’s the weekend not everyone is at work as people will be spending time with their families and loved ones' because that is the last thing any serious project would push out.

The links now point to zentoshi.com rather than https://www.cips.org/Documents/Resources/Downloadable documents/CoreClausesBoilerPlate.pdf and it took them around 36 hours just to do that.



Frankly I find this entire “witch-hunt” for lack of a better term disgusting. I have only been with the team for 2 weeks but there are people that have been working on Zentoshi for well over a year to get it ready for launch. All funded by their own personal finances, there is no ICO or anything like that with which they have raised funds and you come in here with these accusations making huge posts to discredit everything they have worked on.
There is no witch-hunt but there is a common misconception on part of those promoting this project just like others have promoted other projects in the past and that is they believe they are due some sort of respect or acknowledgement for the work and efforts they have allegedly put in to their project along with the alleged financial funds they have spent to get to the stage they are at.

In respect to this project, if things ever take off and this project ever goes live there are funds that are pre-mined. In any case this team has not exactly done this community or the wider crypto-world any favours by intending to release their project so they should not be expecting any congratulations, thanks or acknowledgement.



https://i.postimg.cc/cHVtWh0z/zen1-Copy.png



Sure I guess some mistakes where made with the ANN thread in regards to thread “bumping” rules but that’s like literally it and you are making this molehill into a mountain. They have stated the issues raised will be resolved so no problem.
The bumping or posting by a member that has some history in this forum is not an issue but when newbies flood any thread it raises questions.

Instead of answering these very important question it raises more questions when the team behind the project decide claim some of their loyal Discord users who are not familiar with this forum decided to visit here to ask questions when users from this forum are being told to join their Discord to ask questions so things can be cleared up in 5 minutes.

It is the lack of transparency that the team are providing that fuels the questions and might give the impression of making mountains out of molehills for those that do not want to clearly and definitively answer questions.



It’s funny but all of this could have easily been resolved in 5 mins just by joining the Discord or something and talking with the team directly but guess it was “quicker” to make a huge post to try and discredit everything as a giant scam I guess.....
There is nothing funny about this situation and why on earth would people from this forum feel the need to join the Discord of a project just to ask questions when it was the project team that decided to use this forum to make announcements about there up and coming project? That is not how things work.

And as for calling it a scam, I explicitly made a post stating I cannot call it a scam and that view remains until I see something that makes me change my mind. What I do see is a team of dreamers that are way out of their depth and their incompetence will contribute to the failure of any achievable goals they might have.



I find your take on this situation extremely disturbing, you have followed the same defensive attitude that their official user account has used but on your part that is simply because you have a vested interest in this project and you are part of the team.




Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: mosprognoz on November 03, 2019, 03:41:25 PM
I advised OP to update the thread with links to team members social media profiles provided by him.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5196479.msg52959117#msg52959117

But nothing was done. And one more question. What is the total supply of coins and how big is the premine? Nobody is accusing your project of being a scam. We are just trying to help you with a proper presentation of it. Advises are not scam accusations. But unfortunately you are ignoring all our efforts.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: Yankeeruinx on November 03, 2019, 03:48:58 PM
I advised OP to update the thread with links to team members social media profiles provided by him.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5196479.msg52959117#msg52959117

But nothing was done. And one more question. What is the total supply of coins and how big is the premine?

The links for team members are all in the OP (at the bottom) as requested. I believe they are also being added to the website too once some other tasks are completed.

Coin Specs are in the OP and also in the post directly above yours.



Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: JollyGood on November 03, 2019, 03:52:13 PM
I advised OP to update the thread with links to team members social media profiles provided by him.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5196479.msg52959117#msg52959117

But nothing was done. And one more question. What is the total supply of coins and how big is the premine?


Adding social media links of all or most team members is not essential but it brings about more confidence for their user base or potential user base. What is key here is the manner in which they are dealing with anything they deem as criticism.

They claim they did not pay for shills but shills have been posting here.

They expect users from this forum to go their Discord but their own team is asking questions here.

They post in a condescending manner or trivialise concerns just to cause misdirection. They think by either burying their inept reply to specific questions under a largely worded paragraph or by counter-questioning they somehow are helping their cause.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: mosprognoz on November 03, 2019, 04:05:21 PM
I advised OP to update the thread with links to team members social media profiles provided by him.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5196479.msg52959117#msg52959117

But nothing was done. And one more question. What is the total supply of coins and how big is the premine?

The links for team members are all in the OP (at the bottom) as requested. I believe they are also being added to the website too once some other tasks are completed.

Coin Specs are in the OP and also in the post directly above yours.



I see. OP saved some money and time. He did not changed anything in ANN. He just added all links at the end of the topic as a post. Ok. We have 2 500 000 coins as a premine.... Could I ask what is the total supply? because it is not mentioned in "Economic Specification" And one more question. Are you a developer or a team member? Because you are answering all questions instead of OP.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: Yankeeruinx on November 03, 2019, 04:15:09 PM
@jollygood

I'm sorry but you come in here all high and mighty making a huge post about all these huge "RED FLAGS" and claims. Most of them have now been resolved and those that haven't are being worked on.

They have said the T&C issue will be sorted and it will but it is the weekend (Sunday) and not everyone is readily available on call 24/7 for a matter that while you may find as hugely important, in the grand scheme of things it is not exactly priority number one and can wait until Monday.

As for my "condescending manner" and "misdirection" maybe it's because you came in here making a huge post with big "RED FLAGS" based on your professional assessment of the project, just stopping short of calling the entire project a scam. I personally have taken offence to that knowing the work that people have put into Zentoshi by actually talking to the team and working with them despite me only joining them 2 weeks ago.

So yeah I fully admit I am a bit pissed off with this thread turning into a shitshow as it undermines all the work that has been done to get Zentoshi ready for launch.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: Yankeeruinx on November 03, 2019, 04:35:29 PM
I see. OP saved some money and time. He did not changed anything in ANN. He just added all links at the end of the topic as a post. Ok. We have 2 500 000 coins as a premine.... Could I ask what is the total supply? because it is not mentioned in "Economic Specification" And one more question. Are you a developer or a team member? Because you are answering all questions instead of OP.

They stuck them at the bottom as a quick fix, a proper sheet is being created as is the team page on the website so will be updated once they are ready.

Getting the devs to answer you about the supply questions as I wouldn't want to give an incorrect answer so someone should be along shortly to answer your query.

I am not a dev just a team member helping them out with some things and answering questions where I can.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: mosprognoz on November 03, 2019, 04:47:09 PM
Getting the devs to answer you about the supply questions as I wouldn't want to give an incorrect answer so someone should be along shortly to answer your query.
I am not a dev just a team member helping them out with some things and answering questions where I can.

So you are a team member and you do not know what is the total supply? That information is the most important thing for any project. 2.500 000 is a huge premine, but let us discuss that after the information about the amount of TS will be published. Anyway, we are waiting for requested corrections regarding your website, ANN and the information about TS and premine. I hope that next week we will have some updates.
Regards
Alex


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: Yankeeruinx on November 03, 2019, 04:55:53 PM
Getting the devs to answer you about the supply questions as I wouldn't want to give an incorrect answer so someone should be along shortly to answer your query.
I am not a dev just a team member helping them out with some things and answering questions where I can.

So you are a team member and you do not know what is the total supply? That information is the most important thing for any project. 2.500 000 is a huge premine, but let us discuss that after the information about the amount of TS will be published. Anyway, we are waiting for requested corrections regarding your website, ANN and the information about TS and premine. I hope that next week we will have some updates.
Regards
Alex

My time with Zentoshi has mostly been spent organising their Medium page and team members on socials as well as connecting them to other outlets like CMC, Blockfolio, Messari, etc. I do have figures but as I am not 100% on them I wouldn’t like to say incase they are inaccurate hence why I would like a dev to answer you that knows the correct answer so there is no confusion.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: ZentoshiOfficial on November 03, 2019, 04:59:35 PM
I advised OP to update the thread with links to team members social media profiles provided by him.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5196479.msg52959117#msg52959117

But nothing was done. And one more question. What is the total supply of coins and how big is the premine?

The links for team members are all in the OP (at the bottom) as requested. I believe they are also being added to the website too once some other tasks are completed.

Coin Specs are in the OP and also in the post directly above yours.



I see. OP saved some money and time. He did not changed anything in ANN. He just added all links at the end of the topic as a post. Ok. We have 2 500 000 coins as a premine.... Could I ask what is the total supply? because it is not mentioned in "Economic Specification" And one more question. Are you a developer or a team member? Because you are answering all questions instead of OP.

Hello,

We have 2,500,000 coins being pre-mined. 700,000 of those coins are being distributed to Zentoshi's operating capital which is used to pay our team members and fund our budget. The other 1,800,000 coins are being locked to be unlocked through community governance voting. We have a system being implemented which will enable cold interest on our chain and lock coins for a determined period. This will lock the coins and make them unavailable during that period. We plan to lock these coins in 12 month periods and will carry voting across our community should we find use or need for those coins to be utilized. Otherwise they will be perpetually locked.

At launch we will have a total of 700,000 coins circulating, 50,000 coins being sold as utility for our platforms.

We have an article on our medium that can be found here: https://medium.com/zentoshi/the-zentoshi-budget-e2208693f61e

In which explains this in more detail pertaining to our budget.

Yankee is also a senior level member in our organization with a C-level title as our Chief Marketing Officer. He is not paid to shill, he is here to lead our marketing strategies and give guidance to our team members for marketing activities. His word is as good as mine. :) He is actively integrated in our leadership and is a crucial member of our team and we are very happy to have him on board!

Cheers,
Zentoshi Team



Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: Yankeeruinx on November 03, 2019, 05:18:00 PM
In regards to inflation/total supply:

https://miro.medium.com/max/525/1*NEc9xMB8GcbXn-rYX_Z3tw.png


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: JollyGood on November 03, 2019, 06:04:12 PM
@jollygood

I'm sorry but you come in here all high and mighty making a huge post about all these huge "RED FLAGS" and claims. Most of them have now been resolved and those that haven't are being worked on.
I was not high and mighty at all. I simply presented my concerns with evidence in that post you refer to which I have copied it below.

Of the three red flags I raised none have been resolved but you claim most of them have been resolved.

Absolutely no believable explanation has been provided as to first why so many newbies posted here and second why several of those newbies have had recent 'email address changes' or have been 'recently woken up' miraculously found this thread when they had more of chance of finding Bitcoin, Ethereum or XRP threads. The possible explanations provided for those two things happening do nothing except insult the intelligence of those reading them.

As for the website with its atrocious errors, all that has happened is that the terms and conditions link and the policy links have been diverted to the home page of the website but as you said that is being worked on.


First of all I have to say I looked at the OP and read all of the 50 current posts in the thread at the time I posted this. I then I went to the website to look around.

In a nutshell, there are too many red flags for any investor to actually take this seriously. Maybe some bounty hunters would consider participating for some of those 7000 tokens up for grabs even if they know this project is not trustworthy because they might hope to sell as soon as they can providing they even receive their bounty in the first place.

So, here are some of the problems surrounding this project which makes me advise all potential investors and all potential bounty participants to stay well away from it.


RED FLAG #1 - The number of newbies attracted to this project
- There are a total of 50 posts in this thread excluding my one. Mine is post #51:

- Thread Page 1 posts: OP=5  Newbies=14  Full Member=1
- Thread Page 2 posts: OP=8  Newbies=6    Full Member=2  Member=2   Legendary=2
- Thread Page 3 posts: OP=3  Newbies=3    Full Member=1  Member=1   Hero Member=1  Snr Member=1

Of the posts made in this thread (excluding posts from the thread starter and those questioning its integrity necromastery x1, mine x1 and mosprognoz x1), it is dominated with newbies making around 72% (or 23 out of 32) posts.



RED FLAG #2 - The background of those newbies attracted to this project
- I will not focus on this aspect too much because there are too many newbies to list but picking up on just a handful from the first page of this thread.

User Pierre Dilecto in particular made laugh with an unbelievable amount of knowledge in this field compared to the other sock-puppets, just read his two posts.


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RED FLAG #3 - The website is unforgivably pathetic
https://www.zentoshi.com/about-us
- It tells us nothing about who the actual people are with full names behind this project are
- It tells us nothing about any LLC that might be owning this project such as location, name, incorporation number - nothing

- The links in the footer for the "Terms and Conditions" and the "Policy" do not work, they are diverted to:
(https://www.cips.org/Documents/Resources/Downloadable%20documents/CoreClausesBoilerPlate.pdf)

- the footer shows "© 2019 All rights reserved. Zentoshi Limited Liability Company" which allowed a quick search to bring this up: https://www.bizapedia.com/wy/zentoshi-limited-liability-company.html
This information should be available in the About Us pages and via the FAQ too but it is not there along with names. MICHAEL WEINRUB is listed as the Organiser.



I can add more red flags but will stop here as I made my point. As mentioned earlier I would advise all potential investors and all potential bounty participants to stay well away from this project.

As for the viability of this project along with the ethos, objectives and technology behind it, it requires more investigation but for now I will stop short of calling this project a scam because so far:

 - they have made ridiculous errors on their website which will most probably be blamed on an oversight
 - seem to have deliberately hidden real information about the team behind this project
 - they have some sort of sock-puppet paid shills service pumping this Announcement thread
 - Not linked directly on their website for visitors again not giving full Team information: https://www.zentoshi.com/media/Zentoshi-Whitepaper-SD.pdf



They have said the T&C issue will be sorted and it will but it is the weekend (Sunday) and not everyone is readily available on call 24/7 for a matter that while you may find as hugely important, in the grand scheme of things it is not exactly priority number one and can wait until Monday.
The best course of action in a scenario which you describe would have been to holding page on the website until those essentials were added.


As for my "condescending manner" and "misdirection" maybe it's because you came in here making a huge post with big "RED FLAGS" based on your professional assessment of the project, just stopping short of calling the entire project a scam. I personally have taken offence to that knowing the work that people have put into Zentoshi by actually talking to the team and working with them despite me only joining them 2 weeks ago.
It makes no difference how hard the team have worked and it makes no difference how long you have been part of a project you will receive payment for, you are employed to promote them in return for tokens they will give you. Your comment above which is the one I highlighted seems designed more to impress your employers and seems to express your frustration at being unable to represent or promote any project in a diligent manner with common courtesy being at the forefront.  


So yeah I fully admit I am a bit pissed off with this thread turning into a shitshow as it undermines all the work that has been done to get Zentoshi ready for launch.
Then you really should never have jumped on board this project. You were hired to promote this project, you brought it here to this forum knowing you will never be able to control the narrative because users will ask questions and then dissect as well as analyse those answers.

I still have no intention of calling this project a scam because I think it is not a scam. I will not hesitate to make a scam thread or back up an existing one if I see something that warrants it but I do not see this as a scam....

Here is what seems evident:

- The claims being made are from an inexperienced team consisting of a collective member group far smaller than they actually are
- The team are a group of people who will never make even a iota of difference to any technology (internet, blockchain, commerce etc) with this project because they are dreamers
- If it ever does get started the team will get bored and tired of the 'project' very soon and it will become one of many hundreds that simply failed with token holders losing money but the team will obviously make money

Gross incompetence does not equate to scam but since this thread has been side-tracked from the contents of the announcement to questions surrounding the integrity of the team, it seems the biggest mistake the project owners made was hiring you. If you are responsible for being their social media and promotions manager then the buck stops with you because it would have been impossible for those sock-puppets and paid shills to post here unless they were guided here. If the OP claims ignorance about sock-puppets and paid shills then you cannot.



Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: Yankeeruinx on November 03, 2019, 06:28:07 PM
I’m sorry but no you absolutely are making a huge issue out of nothing and doing everything you can to undermine the project.

Red flag 1 and 2 are essentially the same thing, newbie accounts or inactive ones suddenly becoming active and posting here. They already said we made a big deal about the ANN thread launching, I even wrote an article about it for our Medium and shared it in all our socials to let everyone know so of course it will direct some traffic here as that was the intention to give visibility to this thread.

https://link.medium.com/HpEsA6iXj1

As for actually posting here my 2 posts I made in this thread prior to today have been dealt with here as I got called out as a “professional shillers”

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5198234.new#new

Red Flag 3 being the T&C as said it will be dealt with but as it’s the weekend they just did a quick change until the proper fix can be put in place.

So can you please explain what exactly further needs to be done here to address these 3 concerns of yours.

Edit:

Oh and for the record you are making some big assumptions about my feelings on this thread. I am genuinely pissed off, I am not doing anything to “impress my employers” in fact they warned me against venting my frustrations. Also for the record the only things I had to do with this thread was do the Medium article and get it posted on the socials. I had no input in its creation/design/release and just had the 2 posts I had made on it prior to today.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: JollyGood on November 03, 2019, 06:51:12 PM
I’m sorry but no you absolutely are making a huge issue out of nothing and doing everything you can to undermine the project.
You did that yourself the moment you got sock-puppets to post here.

I never wanted to undermine this project, I pointed out several flaws because paid shills from a pumping service that you instructed to post here in order to generate fake buzz brought it to the attention of one user who bought it to my attention.



Red flag 1 and 2 are essentially the same thing, newbie accounts or inactive ones suddenly becoming active and posting here. They already said we made a big deal about the ANN thread launching, I even wrote an article about it for our Medium and shared it in all our socials to let everyone know so of course it will direct some traffic here as that was the intention to give visibility to this thread.
Your post on Medium was not the reason sock-puppets posted here. The OP claimed he did not know anything about therefore you being their social media and promotions manager were the one that used them only to see it spectacularly backfire. Blaming it on an article instead of owning does nothing except casts further doubt on this project.



https://link.medium.com/HpEsA6iXj1

As for actually posting here my 2 posts I made in this thread prior to today have been dealt with here as I got called out as a “professional shillers”

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5198234.new#new
Yes I read both links you provided and it strengthens my view that the Medium article is being used as a convenient scapegoat.



Red Flag 3 being the T&C as said it will be dealt with but as it’s the weekend they just did a quick change until the proper fix can be put in place.
You repeating what I already stated.



So can you please explain what exactly further needs to be done here to address these 3 concerns of yours.
No.


I will give it a couple of days before maybe popping back here to see what is going on an what other users are posting.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: Yankeeruinx on November 03, 2019, 07:07:00 PM
And yet you are still making your assumptions as though they are fact, making claims that I have organised “paid shills” from a “pumping service” when my only involvement in this thread was the 2 posts that I made. I had nothing to do with this threads creation, release or management apart from the Medium article and posts about it on the social channels.

Edit:

Just remembered I did ask them to add the release date to title of the thread too so can add that to the list for my involvement in this thread.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: ZentoshiOfficial on November 03, 2019, 09:32:13 PM
I’m sorry but no you absolutely are making a huge issue out of nothing and doing everything you can to undermine the project.
You did that yourself the moment you got sock-puppets to post here.

I never wanted to undermine this project, I pointed out several flaws because paid shills from a pumping service that you instructed to post here in order to generate fake buzz brought it to the attention of one user who bought it to my attention.



Red flag 1 and 2 are essentially the same thing, newbie accounts or inactive ones suddenly becoming active and posting here. They already said we made a big deal about the ANN thread launching, I even wrote an article about it for our Medium and shared it in all our socials to let everyone know so of course it will direct some traffic here as that was the intention to give visibility to this thread.
Your post on Medium was not the reason sock-puppets posted here. The OP claimed he did not know anything about therefore you being their social media and promotions manager were the one that used them only to see it spectacularly backfire. Blaming it on an article instead of owning does nothing except casts further doubt on this project.



https://link.medium.com/HpEsA6iXj1

As for actually posting here my 2 posts I made in this thread prior to today have been dealt with here as I got called out as a “professional shillers”

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5198234.new#new
Yes I read both links you provided and it strengthens my view that the Medium article is being used as a convenient scapegoat.



Red Flag 3 being the T&C as said it will be dealt with but as it’s the weekend they just did a quick change until the proper fix can be put in place.
You repeating what I already stated.



So can you please explain what exactly further needs to be done here to address these 3 concerns of yours.
No.


I will give it a couple of days before maybe popping back here to see what is going on an what other users are posting.

Hello everyone,
I hope you are all doing well,
We feel as if this thread is getting derailed, we understand your concern Jolly, could you give a chance for other people to talk, if even to share your concerns, it seems you are quite attached to our project. While I appreciate your consistent involvement, it is creating pages where no real dialogue is taking place. We believe you have listed your concerns at this point and given plenty for people to think about, please let other investors have a chance to speak as this is our thread for our ANN.
We are not dreamers, in fact we expected hate and a lot of resistance that comes with building cutting-edge technology. In a world full of PIVX clones on outdated versions, there will always be backlash to those who pave the future of the technology. What we've been building for a year and half, there is no other project like it. Bitcoin core v0.18 & dash deterministic MNs, people will even come to fork our code once we're done here.
We understand those people might not include you, as you do not like our project, but the technology is real, the team that built it is real, the platforms that use the tech are real whether you call us dreamers or scammers we're here to stay. In fact our testnet is up if anyone wants to test and see that technology first hand.
We ask you kindly, you have stated your concerns and your red flags, people will have a chance to read it and make up their own mind, at this point isn't this beyond just good intentions?
Thank you for your service on BTT,
We know in this crypto world full of scams that it is often our first response to look at the bad of a project, we've become jaded from scams, money lost, dreams crashed and exits. But we assure you, if you wait until we are live and see the change we are making in this space, you would be all for it.

I advised OP to update the thread with links to team members social media profiles provided by him.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5196479.msg52959117#msg52959117

But nothing was done. And one more question. What is the total supply of coins and how big is the premine?

The links for team members are all in the OP (at the bottom) as requested. I believe they are also being added to the website too once some other tasks are completed.

Coin Specs are in the OP and also in the post directly above yours.



I see. OP saved some money and time. He did not changed anything in ANN. He just added all links at the end of the topic as a post. Ok. We have 2 500 000 coins as a premine.... Could I ask what is the total supply? because it is not mentioned in "Economic Specification" And one more question. Are you a developer or a team member? Because you are answering all questions instead of OP.

Hello mospronoz,

Yes, in business it is often smart to have your balance sheet and financials checked out. We do not believe any attempt to save money nor time when we are working hard to build new technology and going live should be something looked down upon. Plainly stating, we have a community to satisfy rather than your demands; to answer your other questions, we limited what is on the website and put it all in the whitepaper, which we spent 4 months carefully writing and 6 months to design for you all to read and enjoy. You'll find its quality unparalleled anywhere else much like the quality of our technology. Understand that changing designs on a website, and then having that design coded 1:1 is expensive, it took us a week to design the BTT ANN, and much longer to design our website.
We're focusing on going live and then we will make these changes.
We hope you understand that this is our business, and we make decisions that we feel is best on how to operate it, with our combined years of running and managing successful projects.
We are thankful for your understanding and your concerns that you have listed,
We ask that you please let the thread continue on, as you have given the readers 2-3 pages to read, and this is enough at this point,
Thank you,
Zentoshi Team


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: lancem on November 04, 2019, 02:48:57 AM
In the meantime, if testnet started can we get details here...


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: ZentoshiOfficial on November 04, 2019, 05:20:18 AM
In the meantime, if testnet started can we get details here...

Hello!

Testnet is live, you can currently download the QT compiled .exe for windows here: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/569083787783438346/640731867997405214/zentoshi-qt.zip

Cheers!
Zentoshi Team


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: CryptoVzla on November 04, 2019, 06:14:52 AM
Nice coin with good concept, how can i mine zentoshi?
is there any active mining pool , im intrested to mine this coin.
reserved for exchange updates, thanks


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: ZentoshiOfficial on November 04, 2019, 06:20:38 AM
Nice coin with good concept, how can i mine zentoshi?
is there any active mining pool , im intrested to mine this coin.
reserved for exchange updates, thanks

Hello!

We are currently running a testnet, you can see how your mining gear performs through our modified balloon hashing algo if you wish. All you require is an AMD or Intel processor, it is a memory hard CPU mining algo. We also have PoS enabled to alongside PoW. We have more details in our Discord!

We will be working with 2 mining pools at launch on Nov. 7, one being BSoD.pw who have been a great partner of ours thus far!


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: Nathan01 on November 04, 2019, 06:25:08 AM
So you claim that you are not shilling your Ann, but the moment people started asking about it, newbies suddenly disappeared. How convenient.

I am still here, I have been monitoring this thread to see how the team handled and resolved it. You all have pointed out many concerns and criticisms that seem to hold some validity. I felt that I should withdraw myself for a while until things resolved themselves.

Since the beginning of the investigation I've been reading and following conversation in the thread to see where it all leads. To the best of my knowledge I've been on Zentoshi Discord for sometime and true to their words they've done most things by the books. I really can't fault them in any way since it might be a genuine oversight.

I'm not paid shill. In fact this is like my 3rd comment since the start of the thread. Not really active in the thread. I'm a concerned participant in both telegram and discord.

Do have a nice day dear senior members. Plus I love all questions and concerns raised and cleared.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: ZentoshiOfficial on November 04, 2019, 06:27:27 AM
I’m sorry but no you absolutely are making a huge issue out of nothing and doing everything you can to undermine the project.
You did that yourself the moment you got sock-puppets to post here.

I never wanted to undermine this project, I pointed out several flaws because paid shills from a pumping service that you instructed to post here in order to generate fake buzz brought it to the attention of one user who bought it to my attention.



Red flag 1 and 2 are essentially the same thing, newbie accounts or inactive ones suddenly becoming active and posting here. They already said we made a big deal about the ANN thread launching, I even wrote an article about it for our Medium and shared it in all our socials to let everyone know so of course it will direct some traffic here as that was the intention to give visibility to this thread.
Your post on Medium was not the reason sock-puppets posted here. The OP claimed he did not know anything about therefore you being their social media and promotions manager were the one that used them only to see it spectacularly backfire. Blaming it on an article instead of owning does nothing except casts further doubt on this project.



https://link.medium.com/HpEsA6iXj1

As for actually posting here my 2 posts I made in this thread prior to today have been dealt with here as I got called out as a “professional shillers”

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5198234.new#new
Yes I read both links you provided and it strengthens my view that the Medium article is being used as a convenient scapegoat.



Red Flag 3 being the T&C as said it will be dealt with but as it’s the weekend they just did a quick change until the proper fix can be put in place.
You repeating what I already stated.



So can you please explain what exactly further needs to be done here to address these 3 concerns of yours.
No.


I will give it a couple of days before maybe popping back here to see what is going on an what other users are posting.

Hello JollyGood,

Our T's and C's and Privacy Policy have been added to our website. These are living documents and may be revised at anytime. I hope moving forward we prove to you that we are here to stay, and further blockchain technology for the market as a whole! We have much planned that is unannounced which is very exciting developments that will assist the mainstream adoption of cryptocurrencies and bring more adopters to this space. We have to start somewhere as we are but a small startup at present, but have so much to offer to this market. Sorry for any and all hostilities from all parties involved. I hope we can start fresh. We should all be nicer going forward.

Cheers,
Zentoshi Team


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: busminer on November 04, 2019, 06:42:30 AM
So you claim that you are not shilling your Ann, but the moment people started asking about it, newbies suddenly disappeared. How convenient.

I am still here, I have been monitoring this thread to see how the team handled and resolved it. You all have pointed out many concerns and criticisms that seem to hold some validity. I felt that I should withdraw myself for a while until things resolved themselves.

Since the beginning of the investigation I've been reading and following conversation in the thread to see where it all leads. To the best of my knowledge I've been on Zentoshi Discord for sometime and true to their words they've done most things by the books. I really can't fault them in any way since it might be a genuine oversight.

I'm not paid shill. In fact this is like my 3rd comment since the start of the thread. Not really active in the thread. I'm a concerned participant in both telegram and discord.

Do have a nice day dear senior members. Plus I love all questions and concerns raised and cleared.
Nathan01
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I'm not paid shill.
no need to make excuses, if someone seems to be that here post only paid shillers...it's their problem, I'm pretty tired of reading here only criticism and bias against the project...
Let's pay more attention to the features of the project in thread, join testnet its up and runnig )
In the meantime, if testnet started can we get details here...

Hello!

Testnet is live, you can currently download the QT compiled .exe for windows here: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/569083787783438346/640731867997405214/zentoshi-qt.zip

Cheers!
Zentoshi Team
https://ch3301files.storage.live.com/y4muvIHkmQnhBmZs2z6H7Pudx0BrKclLrXzeXpNoIaBkw5q64T0JRR0JujMhjdWBYulI60UoSi_228CEgrXNs3M73hQmp1XsEyvVzt1jR93QVcd5xEb5DbZvonhP0JSKo6azSXNR1WkWQ-10Gopk4Z-7bhI2KKFYgTQToHDAfsSMv1DG-Bympnn5GWihyH9USMbsBEE75E4tjuW7seZcbVuHw/Testnet%20is%20now%20Live.png?psid=1&width=1920&height=1080


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: Rikafip on November 04, 2019, 08:18:07 AM
So you claim that you are not shilling your Ann, but the moment people started asking about it, newbies suddenly disappeared. How convenient.

I am still here, I have been monitoring this thread to see how the team handled and resolved it. You all have pointed out many concerns and criticisms that seem to hold some validity. I felt that I should withdraw myself for a while until things resolved themselves.

Since the beginning of the investigation I've been reading and following conversation in the thread to see where it all leads. To the best of my knowledge I've been on Zentoshi Discord for sometime and true to their words they've done most things by the books. I really can't fault them in any way since it might be a genuine oversight.

I'm not paid shill. In fact this is like my 3rd comment since the start of the thread. Not really active in the thread. I'm a concerned participant in both telegram and discord.

Do have a nice day dear senior members. Plus I love all questions and concerns raised and cleared.

Huge majority of your last 100 posts were made in these   altcoin threads:

Dreamr
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5186091.0
http://archive.md/OyUrK

Bitmax
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5066589.0
https://archive.ph/pFvYJ

Elynet
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5185512.0
http://archive.md/o33P1

Bitmovio
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5192272.0
http://archive.md/kAGIT

What is interesting that all those threads have same group of Ann bumpers/shillers talking among themselves. Among others  is your other  friend from Zentoshi thread, ning_aric. Bare in mind this is just from last 100 posts, when i check a bit more back i found more threads with same group of people.

Is this all just a coincidence, that same accounts go around and write in same Ann threads?


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: Yankeeruinx on November 04, 2019, 11:53:06 AM
Posting my reply from this thread here too:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5198234.new#new


Just when I thought this was all over and we could move on.....

For comparison here is our CryptoTalk thread:

https://cryptotalk.org/topic/17069-ann-zentoshi-zenx-launching-november-7th-2019/

Now to me this seems fine but then admittedly I haven't done a deep dive into user accounts and post history of who is posting there.

Now let's say that we did hire some kind of pump group as claimed, then why wouldn't they also be working on the CryptoTalk thread too?

I don't know what's going on with BTT and why things are happening, for all I know one of the accusers has made a bunch of alt accounts and is trying to set us up to get some trust credit or a community member thought they were helping us by making posts, who knows at this point.

What I do know for absolute certainty is no pump group has been hired or paid to make posts on our ANN thread so I feel like all these accusations of being a scam are a little too far and have been extremely damaging to our project. We just launched our testnet which was supposed to be an exciting milestone for us and a chance to show everyone what we have been working on and it is all being muddied by these constant accusations.

First we were accused of having a fake team and using pics stolen off google, we provided social links for everyone on the team who offered them and added them to LinkedIn.

Then we were accused of not being a registered LLC in the US so we provided documents as proof that we were in fact registered.

Then there was the whole T&C issue which has also been resolved.

Now we are left with this mystery hired shill/pump group which conveniently is something we do not have an ability to disprove, at least I have no idea how you can disprove that kind of allegation.

Maybe these attacks/accusations about the project did start off with good intentions to protect the BTT community but at this point it is starting to feel a bit malicious in all honesty.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: JollyGood on November 04, 2019, 03:34:00 PM
the team looks fake as fuck.

most probably stole the images from somewhere and using them to instill a false sense of legitimacy.

this shit just feels like a scam.

 ::)


To be clear, I understand your sentiments because they have made a mistake by using paid shills and sock-puppets to post in this thread, that was a major error as it took away the conversation from any potential business and project to questions about their integrity instead.

The second major error was this insistence on feigning ignorance about it and trying to switch it around by playing the victim card instead.



Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: ZentoshiOfficial on November 04, 2019, 06:38:05 PM
the team looks fake as fuck.

most probably stole the images from somewhere and using them to instill a false sense of legitimacy.

this shit just feels like a scam.

 ::)


To be clear, I understand your sentiments because they have made a mistake by using paid shills and sock-puppets to post in this thread, that was a major error as it took away the conversation from any potential business and project to questions about their integrity instead.

The second major error was this insistence on feigning ignorance about it and trying to switch it around by playing the victim card instead.



Hello JollyGood,
How are you,
The official team did not order any services for pumping the announcement. if you have confirmation, please present.
Perhaps which of the project investors has taken their own initiative, we admit it. But we cannot forbid people to do this. Although we do not approve of such actions.
We have paid for 0 shilling, and the real conversation about any potential business and project has been happening in our discord which people have been consistently joining. As we mentioned everyone is free to join and devise their own opinion, we welcome everybody  :D

Thank you,
The Zentoshi Team


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: lancem on November 06, 2019, 08:42:03 AM
Mainnet launch is tomorrow... Who is excited?


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: ZentoshiOfficial on November 07, 2019, 12:51:31 PM
Hello,

Our modified CPU miner is available!

https://github.com/zentoshi/cpuminer-balloon2

Cheers.
-Zentoshi Team


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: JollyGood on November 09, 2019, 12:06:28 AM
Well the 7th November came and went. This project failed to take off on the launch date and this thread was not even updated.

Their social media and Telegram was not much help in letting people know what was going on.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: bitpotter on November 09, 2019, 01:11:54 AM
Well the 7th November came and went. This project failed to take off on the launch date and this thread was not even updated.

Their social media and Telegram was not much help in letting people know what was going on.

It looks like they will not continue this project, it looks they are less communicative with everyone, I think this will end soon.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: mosprognoz on November 09, 2019, 01:56:16 AM
Well the 7th November came and went. This project failed to take off on the launch date and this thread was not even updated.

Their social media and Telegram was not much help in letting people know what was going on.

We just wasted our time on giving them advises how to properly start and present this project. Any new project needs a lot of time and some investments in advertising to achieve results. This dudes ignored all this. They thought that everyone will jump on board with bags of money, only because it is blockchain related project. That times of scammy ICO's past and now nobody will invest a single dollar in a project that is presented in zentoshi way.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: ZentoshiOfficial on November 09, 2019, 07:15:19 AM
Well the 7th November came and went. This project failed to take off on the launch date and this thread was not even updated.

Their social media and Telegram was not much help in letting people know what was going on.

We updated everyone in our Discord and Telegram where they look for our news. As you will probably notice, not a single person actually interested in our project made comment about it on this very forum.

To the people who care:


We ran into a small issue at crunch time: there is an unusual bug which occurs while a node is mining and minting at the same time, whilst deterministic masternode, quorum signing and chainlocks are all enabled.

Which was detrimental to our launch. We have since fixed this issue and have a new countdown for our launch time.

Jollygood, I am not sure why you are such a negative person, or so toxic to the "new coin" community (the opposite of what you represent in your name) but your comments do not scare us away.

It looks like they will not continue this project, it looks they are less communicative with everyone, I think this will end soon.

We have gone no where, just busy making fixes and communicating our delays to the community through our channels.

If anyone wants news from the source, we are all always available to chat on our discord and telegram... night or day.

Cheers.
Zentoshi Team


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: JollyGood on November 09, 2019, 11:13:23 AM
Well the 7th November came and went. This project failed to take off on the launch date and this thread was not even updated.

Their social media and Telegram was not much help in letting people know what was going on.

We updated everyone in our Discord and Telegram where they look for our news. As you will probably notice, not a single person actually interested in our project made comment about it on this very forum. The only one making nasty waves is you and your band of alt accounts that talk to each other miraculously across this forum in tandem. none of you are not even looking forward to our launch, our technology, or anything productive. So good day.

To the people who care:


We ran into a small issue at crunch time: there is an unusual bug which occurs while a node is mining and minting at the same time, whilst deterministic masternode, quorum signing and chainlocks are all enabled.

Which was detrimental to our launch. We have since fixed this issue and have a new countdown for our launch time.

Jollygood, I am not sure why you are such a negative person, or so toxic to the "new coin" community (the opposite of what you represent in your name) but your comments do not scare us away.

It looks like they will not continue this project, it looks they are less communicative with everyone, I think this will end soon.

We have gone no where, just busy making fixes and communicating our delays to the community through our channels.

If anyone wants news from the source, we are all always available to chat on our discord and telegram... night or day.

Cheers.
Zentoshi Team


I had to unblock you from my IGNORE listy to read the message and after reading it placed you back on IGNORE.

I already view your social media and Telegram from to time (occasionally) but do not flatter yourself, I am not too interested in your project at all but am aware of the reasons given for failure to adhere to the much publicised launch date. I was not surprised  ::)

I am keeping an eye on it from time to time to just to be sure the line between "failed project" and "scam" is not crossed.



Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: ZentoshiOfficial on November 09, 2019, 11:47:28 AM
Well the 7th November came and went. This project failed to take off on the launch date and this thread was not even updated.

Their social media and Telegram was not much help in letting people know what was going on.

We updated everyone in our Discord and Telegram where they look for our news. As you will probably notice, not a single person actually interested in our project made comment about it on this very forum. The only one making nasty waves is you and your band of alt accounts that talk to each other miraculously across this forum in tandem. none of you are not even looking forward to our launch, our technology, or anything productive. So good day.

To the people who care:


We ran into a small issue at crunch time: there is an unusual bug which occurs while a node is mining and minting at the same time, whilst deterministic masternode, quorum signing and chainlocks are all enabled.

Which was detrimental to our launch. We have since fixed this issue and have a new countdown for our launch time.

Jollygood, I am not sure why you are such a negative person, or so toxic to the "new coin" community (the opposite of what you represent in your name) but your comments do not scare us away.

It looks like they will not continue this project, it looks they are less communicative with everyone, I think this will end soon.

We have gone no where, just busy making fixes and communicating our delays to the community through our channels.

If anyone wants news from the source, we are all always available to chat on our discord and telegram... night or day.

Cheers.
Zentoshi Team


I had to unblock you from my IGNORE listy to read the message and after reading it placed you back on IGNORE.

I already view your social media and Telegram from to time (occasionally) but do not flatter yourself, I am not too interested in your project at all but am aware of the reasons given for failure to adhere to the much publicised launch date. I was not surprised  ::)

I am keeping an eye on it from time to time to just to be sure the line between "failed project" and "scam" is not crossed.


Hello JollyGood,
We appreciate your diligence on this forum, please continue taking a look at our project. However with building new technology comes delays, we don't think this means we are a failed project, in fact in doing anything that advances the technology of this field or stepping into the unknown you'll find new obstacles. While we could just fork some PIVX code and be on our way, we promise to our community to keep working hard and being transparent and honest.

We look forward to proving you wrong,
See you in a bit,
Zentoshi Team

Well the 7th November came and went. This project failed to take off on the launch date and this thread was not even updated.

Their social media and Telegram was not much help in letting people know what was going on.

It looks like they will not continue this project, it looks they are less communicative with everyone, I think this will end soon.

Hello bitpotter,
Telegram has been updated about 3 hours before launch date that we hit unexpected issues found through our Testnet. We also made multiple announcements on our discord, we've been working hard at fixing these and figured anyone that is involved will see it on discord rather than on here.
We also don't have a definitive date as to when these problems will be fixed, probably looking at a week delay, but until then we will wait to update the thread until we can give a time and are in the process of redesigning the art used on the thread to update it once we can give a date. Thank you for checking in  :)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/405110360140677120/642690888069414922/unknown.png

this has been the community feedback, which are inspiring for how understanding they are.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/405110360140677120/642691432699658250/unknown.png

Well the 7th November came and went. This project failed to take off on the launch date and this thread was not even updated.

Their social media and Telegram was not much help in letting people know what was going on.

We just wasted our time on giving them advises how to properly start and present this project. Any new project needs a lot of time and some investments in advertising to achieve results. This dudes ignored all this. They thought that everyone will jump on board with bags of money, only because it is blockchain related project. That times of scammy ICO's past and now nobody will invest a single dollar in a project that is presented in zentoshi way.

Hello Mosprognoz,
How are you?

It's been a while, but we tried to inform you last time, we're not making this thread so "everyone will jump on board with bags of money." We tried to get you to become more informed, suggesting you read the whitepaper before you make these statements about our project. We will restate it for you, We are not an ICO. Most ICO's are illegal, and being classified as a Utility coin under House Bill 70 means we can't be an ICO and operate as a business. We're not here for people to jump on board and throw money at us. If you read our whitepaper or anything about this project, all of you would know that we funded this project with our own money.
And we will continue to do so until the project is live and we have something to offer.
So I repeat, for you mosprognoz, and for you JollyGood,
We're creating something here that you won't find on any other project. Are we going to hit delays while building something new? Yes. Is this the easiest way forward? No. Are we just going to give up like you suggested? No. Are we going to go away because of unsubstantiated scrutiny? No. Are we begging for money as we spend our savings into this project because we truly believe in it? No

So before you call us a scam, or make any other uninformed statements, please be patient. We will build this technology, and help all of the blockchain technology take a step forward. No its not easy, and yes there will be delays, but we're doing this out of our own funds, and at 0 risk to you, an outsider who is just shouting. We're the ones working hard, our devs who are spending sleepless nights, our team who is building every component of this project. Sure it's easy to be skeptical, and shout hate, and from what we've seen from your profile you're quite known in this community for bringing down scams. But we haven't seen you endorse a new project in a very long time, neither of you,so be patient, and we promise you'll have something to look at that you've never seen before


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: Gash on November 09, 2019, 01:24:27 PM
the team looks fake as fuck.

most probably stole the images from somewhere and using them to instill a false sense of legitimacy.

this shit just feels like a scam.

 ::)


To be clear, I understand your sentiments because they have made a mistake by using paid shills and sock-puppets to post in this thread, that was a major error as it took away the conversation from any potential business and project to questions about their integrity instead.

The second major error was this insistence on feigning ignorance about it and trying to switch it around by playing the victim card instead.


Most teams look fake. Most of all coins are scams. It just that some are poorly presented while the others are maxed out in terms of elaborate design and well written excerpts from tech papers other people wrote. To convince urself that new ICO wont come out anymore, close bitcointalk butt with a nice cork.  Eliminate the cause to make the consequence impossible.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: JollyGood on November 09, 2019, 03:15:06 PM
Most teams look fake. Most of all coins are scams. It just that some are poorly presented while the others are maxed out in terms of elaborate design and well written excerpts from tech papers other people wrote. To convince urself that new ICO wont come out anymore, close bitcointalk butt with a nice cork.  Eliminate the cause to make the consequence impossible.

I understand your sentiments.

When weak inexperienced teams who are far bigger dreamers than they are entrepreneurs and realists end up hiring a promotions manager who in turns uses paid-shills or an sock-puppets to pump their threads then it just strengthens the view that is shared by many including you.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business (PoW/PoS hybrid)
Post by: ZentoshiOfficial on November 09, 2019, 03:51:43 PM
Our GitHub is now public! Thank you for all of our community's continued support!
https://github.com/zentoshi/zentoshi/releases/tag/db36e8c4f
Come see the real technology behind Zentoshi for yourselves  :)

Cheers!
Zentoshi Team





Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business (PoW/PoS hybrid)
Post by: ZentoshiOfficial on November 09, 2019, 04:31:53 PM
Testnet is live! Download our Windows wallet here: https://github.com/zentoshi/zentoshi/releases/tag/db36e8c4f


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business - Launches Nov. 7
Post by: Yankeeruinx on November 09, 2019, 11:47:25 PM
Most teams look fake. Most of all coins are scams. It just that some are poorly presented while the others are maxed out in terms of elaborate design and well written excerpts from tech papers other people wrote. To convince urself that new ICO wont come out anymore, close bitcointalk butt with a nice cork.  Eliminate the cause to make the consequence impossible.

I understand your sentiments.

When weak inexperienced teams who are far bigger dreamers than they are entrepreneurs and realists end up hiring a promotions manager who in turns uses paid-shills or an sock-puppets to pump their threads then it just strengthens the view that is shared by many including you.

You keep making these accusations against me when I literally had nothing to do with this threads creation and release. It was being designed and it’s release date was set well before I was brought on to the team. BTT is barely on my radar as a means for promotion these days as there are far more effective ways to reach your audience these days. When people can easily connect to teams through Telegram or Discord and chat directly to them there isn’t much point in these ANN threads. With that said of course you should still have a presence on BTT as even now it’s still expected that projects do but it is certainly not as important as it used to be.

But yeah keep talking crap and thanks for the free bumps 👍

Edit:

Have updated this thread with proof of your reckless abuse of the Trust score system on this forum:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5198234.msg53033600#msg53033600


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business (PoW/PoS hybrid)
Post by: lancem on November 12, 2019, 09:24:22 AM
Any update on the main-net launch?


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - Cutting Edge Technology meets Business (PoW/PoS hybrid)
Post by: ZentoshiOfficial on November 13, 2019, 03:24:40 PM
https://miro.medium.com/max/1806/0*oRuPOgAeFdfdYgW2
Hello everyone!
Please check out our development update:
https://link.medium.com/n3uBYNDlA1

We're also in the process of recoding our database to bitcoin core v0.19 to be one of the first coins with deterministic nodes utilizing the latest implementation of deterministic nodes!


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - First Coin on Bitcoin Core v0.19+Dash MN(PoW/PoS hybrid)
Post by: Admkng5 on November 14, 2019, 09:30:28 AM
The team cannot resolve issues, you decided to use a new codebase, because you cannot resolve issues. Are you sure, that you can produce a good product? Now you use a BTC codebase, because it simpler. How you can run your own original product?
And start was delayed.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - First Coin on Bitcoin Core v0.19+Dash MN(PoW/PoS hybrid)
Post by: ZentoshiOfficial on November 15, 2019, 09:56:55 AM
The team cannot resolve issues, you decided to use a new codebase, because you cannot resolve issues. Are you sure, that you can produce a good product? Now you use a BTC codebase, because it simpler. How you can run your own original product?
And start was delayed.

Hello and thank you for your question.

We have always used Bitcoin as our core code base however we designed our blockchain with the ability to upgrade to any version of Bitcoin Core as they release. Kind of like dropping a new engine into the body of an old car. Bitcoin Core v0.19 is in pre-release so we decided to do the needful and do the rebase. This does not have anything to do with our issues we had during our initial testnet release. Those issues have been resolved, and we are looking forward to another release for stable testnet in the next few days. We only intend to release a stable product that is 100% functional. Anything less and we will not go to mainnet.

We have originality in the design and implementation of the technology stack and our future implementations to our chain. This is just the start. Furthermore, all cryptocurrencies are based off an implementation of Bitcoin's code. Most however are functioning on outdated versions and have no plans to change that. We can look at DASH and PIVX as examples which are both coins we can agree are good projects that added to the market with their own technologies... but currently fall short when it comes to utilizing the latest technologies, some being things like SEGWIT which we implemented along with our DASH stack.

I hope this provides you with clarity, and I look forward to conversing with you further about this if you wish.

-Zentoshi



Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - First Coin on Bitcoin Core v0.19+Dash MN(PoW/PoS hybrid)
Post by: Admkng5 on November 15, 2019, 10:32:13 AM
Thank you for an answer. But delay with the testnet is very big. The mainnet start was announced 7 November, but testnet is not started without issues. As you can see discord and telegram channels now more calm. Your project lost of users interest. I see your project from announce, I think its interesting.


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - First Coin on Bitcoin Core v0.19+Dash MN(PoW/PoS hybrid)
Post by: mosprognoz on November 15, 2019, 11:00:41 AM
Bitcoin Core v0.19 is in pre-release so we decided to do the needful and do the rebase.

I could not find any announcement about release of Bitcoin Core v0.19

https://bitcoin.org/en/version-history

Am I missing something ?


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - First Coin on Bitcoin Core v0.19+Dash MN(PoW/PoS hybrid)
Post by: ZentoshiOfficial on November 15, 2019, 02:50:22 PM
Bitcoin Core v0.19 is in pre-release so we decided to do the needful and do the rebase.

I could not find any announcement about release of Bitcoin Core v0.19

https://bitcoin.org/en/version-history

Am I missing something ?
Hello Mosprognoz,
In blockchain the first place you will see these updates are on the GitHub. As a veteran in this field, we recommend always checking this, if you go to their GitHub you will see the latest progress of Bitcoin Core, which we always keep an eye on as we're developing. If you are not used to looking at Gits, or are confused, feel free to send me a message and I will guide you through this process where you can see the new versioning for Bitcoin as they near release.

Zentoshi Team


Title: Re: [ANN] [ZenX] Zentoshi - First Coin on Bitcoin Core v0.19+Dash MN(PoW/PoS hybrid)
Post by: ZentoshiOfficial on November 23, 2019, 06:46:06 PM
Hello everyone, I'd like to formally announce we have started development of our second Platform CloudGSP:
Here is a sneak preview of the platform design:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/411958231305420800/647803927861133352/CloudGSP_preview.jpg


As we close out another week, we've also included an update as to the progress we've been making and what the Zentoshi Team has been working on. Come have a read and get exclusive previews on medium only!
https://link.medium.com/HoGEvaYaR1

-Zentoshi Team