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Title: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: iasenko on October 31, 2019, 01:27:16 PM
Since the old topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2823944.0) was not updated for more than a year, it's time to make an updated lists of the open MS applications.

Recent active applications :

   N      User      Application      Date   
   1      iasenko (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1291828)      Application (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5214512.0)      03-Jan-20   
   2      forumalacali (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2151701)      Application (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5214507.0)      03-Jan-20   



Still Open applications from the last round.

Updated :15.11.19

   N      User      Application      Date   
   1      pugman (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=325061)      Application (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2928807.0)      11-Feb-18   
   2      sparg (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1186540)      Application (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3030575.0)      27-Feb-18   
   3      crwth (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=914465)      Application (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4588684.0)      3-Jul-18   
   4      coinlocket$ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1339716)      Application (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5119132.0)      10-Mar-19   
   5      TheWolf666 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1099056)      Application (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5167066.0)      20-Jul-19   
   6      Kalemder (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=487377)      Application (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5183702.0)      11-Sep-19   

Approved applications :

   1      Ratimov (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2627711)      Application (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5197199.0)      30-Oct-19   
   2      Royse777 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=366632)      Application (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5178503.0)      24-Aug-19   
   3      fillippone (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1852120)      Application (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5195299.0)      23-Oct-19   
   4      bitmover (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1554927)      Application (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4726098.0)      23-Jul-18   
   5      1miau (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2143453)      Application (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5158075.0)      24-Jun-19   
   6      Heisenberg_Hunter (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1564795)      Application (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5156799.0)      21-Jun-19   
   7      Alex_Sr (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1762404)      Application (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4315322.0)      27-May-18   
If there are more applications that are not listed, please leave a comment. I'll update it. :)


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: fillippone on October 31, 2019, 01:30:12 PM
I know also the following users applied:

   N      User      Application      Date   
   1       Coinlocket$ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1339716)      Application (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5119132.msg50107122#msg50107122)      10-Mar-19   
   2       Royse777 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=366632)      Application (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5178503.0)      24-Aug-19   

EDIT: Not sure about the sorting criteria.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: iasenko on October 31, 2019, 01:44:05 PM
I know also the following users applied:
~

I've updated it, thanks. No need to bother with the format, It's very easy for me to add new ones. All I need is the username. I can find the rest :)


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: asu on October 31, 2019, 01:48:09 PM
You can add crwth (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4588684.0), Alex_Sr (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4315322.msg38718934#msg38718934), bitmover (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4726098.msg42705111#msg42705111),  pugman (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2928807.0),  tk808 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5125677.msg50356003#msg50356003),  vlad230 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5030146.msg45793263#msg45793263), and  PHI1618 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5097314.msg49232756#msg49232756) merit source application as well.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: fillippone on October 31, 2019, 01:49:51 PM
I've updated it, thanks. No need to bother with the format, It's very easy for me to add new ones. All I need is the username. I can find the rest :)

I know, I know I have no doubt about that.
It's just me being petulant (someone else would say anal) on the details.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: iasenko on October 31, 2019, 02:01:43 PM
I know, I know I have no doubt about that.
It's just me being petulant (someone else would say anal) on the details.

ROFL...

You can add ~

Thanks, those were quite old and were not bumped lately, and the status was unknowed. But anyway I added them to the list.

Thanks guys for helping.

Quickseller and tk808 are already merit sources: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4523027.0

OK, taking them out of the list :)


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: suchmoon on October 31, 2019, 02:02:12 PM
Quickseller and tk808 are already merit sources: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4523027.0


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: Vispilio on October 31, 2019, 02:20:29 PM
I believe Kalemder (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=487377) from the Turkish section also submitted a merit source application (he listed many valuable messages from the local boards

which later led to a source application after suggestions by the community)...


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on October 31, 2019, 02:25:35 PM
I saw a request from this user. Coolcryptovator
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5043413.0


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: Bitcoin_Arena on October 31, 2019, 02:31:01 PM
I saw a request from this user. Coolcryptovator
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5043413.0
I think the list is for Merit source applications that have not yet been approved by Theymos (open applications). AFAIK, @Coolcryptovator is now a merit source.
I stand to be corrected thou


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: The Pharmacist on October 31, 2019, 02:37:42 PM
AFAIK, @Coolcryptovator is now a merit source.
I think you're correct.

Theymos really should make a decision on these guys who applied to be merit sources--I know at least one member, Jet Cash, expressed much frustration at being a merit source and seemed to be losing enthusiasm for the position.  He may have changed his mind since, but I bet he isn't the only one.  I think the forum needs members who really want to be merit sources, because they're the ones who'll take it seriously and will probably do a good job. 

Theymos made a bunch of new merit sources last September, some of which hadn't even applied.  I don't know if they ever turned out to be good ones or not, because I don't even know who they all are.  I was one of them, and I'm glad he made me a merit source but I think it would be a good idea to tap at least some of those who applied in 2019.  There aren't many, and more circulating sMerits might ease the difficulty of ranking up a little bit.

OP, thanks for listing them.  I had been wondering how many applications there were that hadn't been decided on.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: iasenko on October 31, 2019, 02:40:46 PM
I saw a request from this user. Coolcryptovator
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5043413.0
I think the list is for Merit source applications that have not yet been approved by Theymos (open applications). AFAIK, @Coolcryptovator is now a merit source.
I stand to be corrected thou
According to the link given by suchmoon, he is already a MS> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5183702.0

I believe Kalemder (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=487377) from the Turkish section also submitted a merit source application (he listed many valuable messages from the local boards

which later led to a source application after suggestions by the community)...

Are you talking about this post : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5183702.msg52424104#msg52424104
I wend trough it but I didn't find really an application or request to theymos, althow it can be used as one for sure.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: cabalism13 on October 31, 2019, 03:04:45 PM
...
Suggestions:
1.Sort by date of applications
2.Collection of 10 Posts if achieved or not. (Ex. Hhampuz haven't started a single thing on his own application until now, so 10 posts has not been filled yet)

Its also necessary IMO. That's all.

🤔🤨 I thought Hhampuz, pugman and bitmover was already a Source?...


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: Vispilio on October 31, 2019, 03:17:29 PM


I believe Kalemder (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=487377) from the Turkish section also submitted a merit source application (he listed many valuable messages from the local boards

which later led to a source application after suggestions by the community)...

Are you talking about this post : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5183702.msg52424104#msg52424104
I wend trough it but I didn't find really an application or request to theymos, althow it can be used as one for sure.

exactly that's the one, I think @Kalemder eventually turned it into an official application, if not on that particular thread, then elsewhere, and he addressed his post to theymos,

let's see if he (Kalemder) comes to confirm it here...


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: Kalemder on October 31, 2019, 03:20:09 PM
Thanks @Vispilio and @iasenko.
Yes this is my Merit source application:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5183702.0


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: Hhampuz on October 31, 2019, 03:25:29 PM
You can remove me from the list, I don't want to be a merit source any longer and as such I did not proceed with my application thread (will archive it now, thanks).


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: bitmover on October 31, 2019, 03:30:53 PM
Thanks iasenko.
This thread is better than a bump.
I hope theymos will review pending applications and give at least a small amount of smerit to those who will do a good job


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: DdmrDdmr on October 31, 2019, 04:01:50 PM
Whatís pretty amazing is that nearly all applicants have a Local Board backbone, besides being well known on the main English boards. Itís good to have candidates that would perform on multiple boards, whilst looking over Local Boards in the event.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: tranthidung on October 31, 2019, 04:10:16 PM
@iasenko made a creative and helpful thread for all merit source applicants. The thread is nearly same as list of ban appeal (months ago) created by Alex_Sr ([BAN APPEAL]UPDATE: Total table + Ban status (Need feedback from Global mods) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5144410.0)). They both help admins, and moderators have one place to pay attention on.

Nevertheless, there is at least one adverse effect from it, and somehow goes beyond core vision of theymos when he launched the merit system.

I will not be posting a definitive list of merit sources (so that people don't bug them too much), though you'll soon figure out who they are if you pay attention.
There is another thread has nearly same purpose but it focuses on merit sources, not applied merit sources (from @Coin_1, as I remembered).

Basically, despite the fact that such threads go beyond theymos' core vision but they do not negatively affect the forum, and as I saw merit sources or merit source applicants nowadays do no longer care too much about their privacy or secret to be sources.

Anyway, @iasenko did not make anything wrong and I believe most of the thread's viewers do not. Moreover, good merit sources will do reject any sort of merit-begging efforts that chase or attack them when merit beggars know they are already merit sources.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: Daniel91 on October 31, 2019, 04:19:00 PM
I can't believe that some application for merit source are from last year!
After my own application for merit source I had to wait 3-4 months and I was thinking it's to long but some people waiting almost 2 years!
I can't understand why.
Any way, good luck to everybody!
I think that specially local sections needs more merit source since some users write only in their own languages and deserve equal chance to receive merit for god quality posts. 


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: Heisenberg_Hunter on October 31, 2019, 06:42:49 PM
When I initially applied for being the merit source to support my local board, none were really aware that there was already a merit source dedicated for my local board since they were really very busy with their real life and haven't logged in the forum for quite some time. Probably around August - September this year, they became active after a 8 month long inactivity time frame and have confirmed that they were indeed a source but had been allocated negligible source merits each month. They were really a great poster, but once I got to know about they being a source I thought of taking back my application, but considering their inactivity I have once again started bumping it back to support the fellow forum members. My smerits are not really enough and I have been too stingy in giving away my smerits.

Quite a handful of them have ranked up (from Newbie - Full Member) solely by posting in my local board and when they didn't receive enough merits I recommended their topic to the merit sources. Since for majority of the time we speak only English throughout the country as well as in the forum, merit sources and global moderators find it easy to merit the worthy posts as well as handle my reports. English is the only primary reason that we are still functioning as a better non-spammy board even without any help from theymos either for the appointment of a merit source or for the appointment of the moderator.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: legendster on October 31, 2019, 07:35:23 PM
I can see some have applied in 2018 February, why can't these people be informed that they are basically rejected? For whatever reasons. No need to keep them hanging and waiting around for more than a year. Specially speaking of Pugman and Alex_Sr.

I am not sure if they are already a MS, if they are then my rant is useless.

Beyond that Meriting low ranked users has increasingly been becoming a tough job that even the moderators are not doing diligently these days.

I get it, I only said in the past that "Getting Merit isn't a right, it's a privilege" - but right now its becoming a circle-jerking club.




Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: Diced90 on October 31, 2019, 07:49:12 PM
I can see some have applied in 2018 February, why can't these people be informed that they are basically rejected? For whatever reasons. No need to keep them hanging and waiting around for more than a year. Specially speaking of Pugman and Alex_Sr.

I am not sure if they are already a MS, if they are then my rant is useless.

Beyond that Meriting low ranked users has increasingly been becoming a tough job that even the moderators are not doing diligently these days.

I get it, I only said in the past that "Getting Merit isn't a right, it's a privilege" - but right now its becoming a circle-jerking club.




Low rank members have got the short end of the stick. undoubtedly. More than Heros like us.
I've seen some times merit is passed around among high ranking accounts when they have already reached the topmost levels of their accounts.

What's sad is they're doing it by posting memes and jokes while the low rank members are making really unique posts.
Yet they're either getting bogged down by negligence, ignorance, or by signature spammers.



Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: TalkStar on October 31, 2019, 08:04:06 PM
This list will definitely increase best candidates chances and forum admin could check all open applications easily here. Best part is that old application's will also come under selection process again. It will be much easier for theymos to pick best applicants one by one from the list. Hopefully we will get more new merit sources soon who will encourage quality posters by giving a good amount of merit.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: Diced90 on October 31, 2019, 08:22:06 PM
This list will definitely increase best candidates chances and forum admin could check all open applications easily here. Best part is that old application's will also come under selection process again. It will be much easier for theymos to pick best applicants one by one from the list. Hopefully we will get more new merit sources soon who will encourage quality posters by giving a good amount of merit.

For old applications, if theymos had to pick, he would have done so already. No need for him to wait 1 year. And 1 year old applications are irrelevant by now as well. Alex and Pugman, if they are not merit sources yet, should make new applications.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: tranthidung on November 01, 2019, 04:08:10 AM
This list will definitely increase best candidates chances and forum admin could check all open applications easily here. Best part is that old application's will also come under selection process again. It will be much easier for theymos to pick best applicants one by one from the list. Hopefully we will get more new merit sources soon who will encourage quality posters by giving a good amount of merit.
If the forum and the merit system have worked and supported each other well enough since late of the January of 2018, I don't think we really need more merit sources. More sources is good but not vital thing to maintain the forum's and the merit system's performance.

Recent months, I have seen very little complaints on users who got troubles with the merit system and unable to rank up just because lack of merit sources.

Merit sources do boost post quality of some users and do not affect post quality of others. I meant post quality depends mainly on users themselves and not depends on the merit system or any merit source or how many merit sources the forum has in total.

Shit posters or bounty reporters are among types of users who do not affect by the merit system and merit sources. They are kind of unchangeable users who don't care anything (post quality, rank, total merit sources, their potential to earn merits) except their daily/ weekly annoying bounty reports.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: CryptopreneurBrainboss on November 01, 2019, 04:38:48 AM
I've seen some times merit is passed around among high ranking accounts when they have already reached the topmost levels of their accounts.

We have debated this topic severally and the stats shows, lower ranked users are those getting the fairest share of the merit system. Most of the high merited members you see now were once lower ranked users and merit earned contributed to our ranking up. When you see one or two merit given to legendary or hero member you don't consider that a waste especially as every rank deserve to be merited for their post quality. Every rank gets merited for funny memes at time not just legendary accounts.

I earned more merit as a lower ranked users compared to now that I'm a higher ranked user. That along should give you an idea, generally people tend to merit lower ranked users more but it's up to this guys to put in efforts into constructing their posts and contribution positively and I'm quite positive they won't go unnoticed.

I can see some have applied in 2018 February, why can't these people be informed that they are basically rejected? For whatever reasons. No need to keep them hanging and waiting around for more than a year.

It's not mandatory to make a new application but they can try that, @Coolcryptovator did exactly that and it worked for him since your timing could be a key factor to influence theymos's decision making. That their applications hasn't been accepted doesn't automatically means they're less qualifed to be source since most of them are quite quality contributors.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: Yatsan on November 01, 2019, 05:34:34 AM
This list will definitely increase best candidates chances and forum admin could check all open applications easily here. Best part is that old application's will also come under selection process again. It will be much easier for theymos to pick best applicants one by one from the list. Hopefully we will get more new merit sources soon who will encourage quality posters by giving a good amount of merit.
If the forum and the merit system have worked and supported each other well enough since late of the January of 2018, I don't think we really need more merit sources. More sources is good but not vital thing to maintain the forum's and the merit system's performance.

Recent months, I have seen very little complaints on users who got troubles with the merit system and unable to rank up just because lack of merit sources.

Merit sources do boost post quality of some users and do not affect post quality of others. I meant post quality depends mainly on users themselves and not depends on the merit system or any merit source or how many merit sources the forum has in total.

Shit posters or bounty reporters are among types of users who do not affect by the merit system and merit sources. They are kind of unchangeable users who don't care anything (post quality, rank, total merit sources, their potential to earn merits) except their daily/ weekly annoying bounty reports.
Merit source in each local boards is beneficial if "ranking members" will be the basis. Base on my observations, our local board, "Pilipinas," has a lot of merit activity. Because each local member is supporting each other and we have our own merit source, which is Cabalism13, He is good in terms of giving merit in our local members.

And again, based on my observation. Other international boards have a small merit activity, I think we need to boost the merit source assignments in terms of boards. The local community is beneficial if you want to rank up and gain some merits (for me). Still, other boards seem to be a lack of members giving merits. I think that is our problem right now.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: CryptopreneurBrainboss on November 01, 2019, 07:07:45 AM
And again, based on my observation. Other international boards have a small merit activity, I think we need to boost the merit source assignments in terms of boards. The local community is beneficial if you want to rank up and gain some merits (for me). Still, other boards seem to be a lack of members giving merits. I think that is our problem right now.

@Cabalism13 is one of the local merit sources with one of the biggest monthly allocation (100 smerit) that's why your local board is very active in regards to him meriting you guys. Most local sources don't have as much. In as much as I buy into the idea of supporting local boards I don't think we should turn those boards into merit farming grounds where native users just use to rank up.

We have recieved numerous report on the forum of favoritism been the order of the day in most of these local board, which is then used to increase their voting power to elect DT members etc until that can be put under controlled, giving more power might just be a wrong move.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: Bttzed03 on November 01, 2019, 07:19:53 AM
Merit source in each local boards is beneficial if "ranking members" will be the basis. Base on my observations, our local board, "Pilipinas," has a lot of merit activity. Because each local member is supporting each other and we have our own merit source, which is Cabalism13, He is good in terms of giving merit in our local members.
We've had some discussion about the merit distribution in our local board before. Before the cryptotalk campaign where many high ranked members woke up and became active again, merits coming from the local community were not that high. Without other merit sources like Darkstar_ who frequently visits our local board before, we would not be exceeding a hundred per week.  

Philippine merit stats (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5169636.0)


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: iasenko on November 01, 2019, 07:24:15 AM
Thanks @Vispilio and @iasenko.
Yes this is my Merit source application:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5183702.0

Added, I see you edited your subject, now it look more like application :)

You can remove me from the list, I don't want to be a merit source any longer and as such I did not proceed with my application thread (will archive it now, thanks).

No problem, removed.

Suggestions:
1.Sort by date of applications
2.Collection of 10 Posts if achieved or not. (Ex. Hhampuz haven't started a single thing on his own application until now, so 10 posts has not been filled yet)

Its also necessary IMO. That's all.

🤔🤨 I thought Hhampuz, pugman and bitmover was already a Source?...

Sorted by date of application. If I see another application (like Hhampuz's one) I will add the additional column with status.

OP updated.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: cabalism13 on November 01, 2019, 07:30:20 AM
@Cabalism13 is one of the local merit sources with one of the biggest monthly allocation (100 smerit) that's why your local board is very active in regards to him meriting you guys.
Can't deny the fact that our board is really in need of Merits just to be active. Majority of users there, are crypto earners and the ranking system together with the Merit system limits them to get the priviledge of earning. This forum have served many people already, it also helped most users. Now that I'm here, a Source, I would like to help users who are quite good enough to contribute on our board especially on this forum, Several minutes ago I helped a user to rank up from Member to Full Member.

100 sMerits isn't that large AFAIK, its just that there are already a number of you guys who are a Merit Source for the whole community, and IMO, that's the reason why the admin can't adjust the allocations of every Source. In my case, I already made a 2nd attempt for an increase of sMerits, for I know to myself I already did my job on my local. Still waiting for an opportunity to have an increase.

I was too lazy these past few days I ended up not using 30 of my sMerits and just used it all now. It's not a smart way of using it but still I know that the users who received it truly deserves it. Though I rarely give on some other Boards.

Enough sMerits?
-Yes
Then users will do their best to make an activity and somewhat contribute to a thread that makes them earn some.
Then comes with a payment where users joined a bounty.
Then an endless cycle of Merits

P. S. Now that I have mentioned it, shouldn't we all join Foxpup's Club?


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Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: Veleor on November 01, 2019, 11:34:30 AM
I suppose that individual considerations of Merit Source (MS) applications are taking a lot of time from admins. It seems to me that this is an inefficient way and automatic approach can be more optimal.

For example, the user could independently choose to be a MS in the profile, if fulfil the following requirements:
- rank from Sr. Member;
- has more than 500 received merit from 20 members or above;
- has more than 250 sent merit to 10 members or above (not counting members, from which the user got merit);
- has less than 5 sendable merit.

These conditions are intended to minimize the risk of abuses by chosen MS.

https://i.imgur.com/XVdIK0o.png

I also think it would be convenient if there will be a button in the profiles to decline to be a MS.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: CryptopreneurBrainboss on November 01, 2019, 01:42:30 PM
I suppose that individual considerations of Merit Source (MS) applications are taking a lot of time from admins. It seems to me that this is an inefficient way and automatic approach can be more optimal.

It's taking time because from theymos's view the forums doesn't need more sources or smerits. When the forum is in need of those, theymos doesn't waste any second to appoint new sources. The individual consideration give theymos and other forum users an idea on what the applicates consider to be a quality posts (that's why you're mandated to qoute 10 quality posts, probably lacking or don't have enough merit.

It also opens the users merit sending history to the public for review. In general this current method gives the community a voice to air their opinion on who should be or shouldn't be a source based on their meriting record and other forum contribution although theymos makes the final decision. The automatic system will take out the transpirancy and fun out of merit source application.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: Welsh on November 01, 2019, 01:49:19 PM
It's taking time because from theymos's view the forums doesn't need more sources or smerits. When the forum is in need of those, theymos doesn't waste any second to appoint new sources. The individual consideration give theymos and other forum users an idea on what the applicates consider to be a quality posts (that's why you're mandated to qoute 10 quality posts, probably lacking or don't have enough merit.
Exactly. Its not like theymos hasn't seen these applications, but there currently isn't a need or the candidate isn't well suited. Only theymos knows all the little bits of criteria that needs to be filled, and the only one with the tools to monitor the merit situation. Theymos is extremely active, and every time I've had an interaction with him there's been a response within 12 hours. That's going back a number of years, and of course my merit source application a year or so ago.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: Coolcryptovator on November 01, 2019, 02:25:24 PM
AFAIK, @Coolcryptovator is now a merit source.
I think you're correct.
Just for confirmation, almost 5 months back I become merit source.

I know at least one member, Jet Cash, expressed much frustration at being a merit source and seemed to be losing enthusiasm for the position. 
LOL, second that. I have seen so many merit post by Jet Cash regarding merit, how should spent, where to spent, that guy deserve or not and so on. That's the reason why theymos should choose merit sources from active member and who are enough friendly to spend their smerit rather than  expressed  frustration.


Good job OP, most of applicant deserve merit source in my opinion. But it would not happen instantly. I had waited more then six months. I strongly believe most of from the list will be on merit source today or tomorrow.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: iasenko on November 04, 2019, 10:51:01 AM
Weekly bump.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: El duderino_ on November 04, 2019, 10:56:40 PM
https://i.imgur.com/atSP25p.gif

Also some good source candidates !


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: AverageGlabella on November 04, 2019, 11:02:03 PM
https://i.imgur.com/atSP25p.gif

Also some good source candidates !

20895 merit per 30 days between all of the merit sources looks to be a good amount of sMerit to distribute. More than enough to rank up 41 hero members or 83 sr members per month. Making it too easy for members to get merit would render the merit system ineffective at what it was brought in for.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: fillippone on November 04, 2019, 11:12:28 PM
https://i.imgur.com/atSP25p.gif

Also some good source candidates !

20895 merit per 30 days between all of the merit sources looks to be a good amount of sMerit to distribute. More than enough to rank up 41 hero members or 83 sr members per month. Making it too easy for members to get merit would render the merit system ineffective at what it was brought in for.

There's scope for re allocating existing merits between sources. Many sources are struggling to get their sMerit stash depleted, whilst others, like micgooossens are always thriving for more merits.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: AverageGlabella on November 04, 2019, 11:24:06 PM
There's scope for re allocating existing merits between sources. Many sources are struggling to get their sMerit stash depleted, whilst others, like micgooossens are always thriving for more merits.

My suggestion would be to remove those are not depleting their sources unless its minuscule amounts and get new sources which are eager to award others. The thing about giving certain members massive amounts of merit is there is no diversity in the way they reward. Its better to have 300 different active merit sources than 100 with big allocations.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: El duderino_ on November 04, 2019, 11:48:19 PM
There's scope for re allocating existing merits between sources. Many sources are struggling to get their sMerit stash depleted, whilst others, like micgooossens are always thriving for more merits.

My suggestion would be to remove those are not depleting their sources unless its minuscule amounts and get new sources which are eager to award others. The thing about giving certain members massive amounts of merit is there is no diversity in the way they reward. Its better to have 300 different active merit sources than 100 with big allocations.

https://i.imgur.com/nPOPYA4.png


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: 1miau on November 05, 2019, 12:44:31 AM
Same here, it's so sad.  :'( :'(

https://i.imgur.com/mdxqhkT.jpg

I'm scrolling through so many interesting submissions for the 10 year anniversary contest but can't merit them (and if I merit 1 or 2 submissions I feel guilty for being unfair to those other outstanding ones that I can't merit...).



Very good idea @iasenko to create a waiting list. This should help theymos to review it and have a detailed overview of pending applications. Maybe we can expect to get appointed until christmas.  :)

https://i.imgur.com/Zoxk7Tx.png (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4937275.0)
Many Merit Source applications are feeling like a transaction where the fee is set way too low.  :-\


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: Scheede on November 05, 2019, 08:49:40 AM
https://i.imgur.com/atSP25p.gif

Also some good source candidates !

20895 merit per 30 days between all of the merit sources looks to be a good amount of sMerit to distribute. More than enough to rank up 41 hero members or 83 sr members per month. Making it too easy for members to get merit would render the merit system ineffective at what it was brought in for.

Are those 20.895 the total of "new created" sMerit hand out to the merit-sources?

If so the 300 for the one active merit-source (qwk) responsible for the German community is close to nothing in comparison.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: DdmrDdmr on November 05, 2019, 10:10:25 AM
<Ö>
Itís overall, for the aggregate of all the 130 Merit Sources, although each one has a different assigned allowance, varying from something over a dozen (or so), to a couple that seem to have over 1K per 30 days (see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsend to get a rough idea).

Although averages are a bit deceiving here due to the large variance, the average number of allocated sMerits would be 160,73.   


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: fillippone on November 05, 2019, 10:19:11 AM
<snip>
(see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsend to get a rough idea).

I take pride on this result:

Code:
134: fillippone

I have many MS behind me.
This is the result of a good merits income lately, and my constant effort on meriting good posts.
But of course is not substainable in the long run.




Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: Vispilio on November 05, 2019, 10:28:33 AM
Same story with me,

the Turkish section as well as many global boards have become pretty active, and tens of fantastic msgs go largely unrecognized every day...:

https://i.imgyukle.com/2019/11/05/EtbnHI.png


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: iasenko on November 05, 2019, 02:32:18 PM
^ all that means that the quality of the forum posts have increased. (or it's just because of the 10 anniversary art contests)

Before people (i mean MSs) needed to open a thread to look for good posters and comping that there are no posts to merit them, nowadays the sources complain that there is not enough source merit.
^^^Those are the facts

and here comes a solution >>>  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5198889.0)



Hello, I'd like to point a merit source application which doesn't appear in OP: it is sparg's and he applied for the Romanian local thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3030575.0.

Updated! :)


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: GazetaBitcoin on November 06, 2019, 07:24:33 AM
Hello, I'd like to point a merit source application which doesn't appear in OP: it is sparg's and he applied for the Romanian local thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3030575.0.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: iasenko on November 11, 2019, 01:06:09 PM
Weekly bump @theymos!


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: Royse777 on November 14, 2019, 08:01:03 PM
Feel free to drop me from the table in your OP. I have that I was asking for :-D


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: suchmoon on November 14, 2019, 08:30:04 PM
Eight new sources seem to have been added (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5198889.msg53078228#msg53078228).

In addition to Royse777 above, also

Ratimov: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg53078048#msg53078048


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: iasenko on November 14, 2019, 09:33:25 PM
Ok, updated the OP with those we know for sure are approved merit sources. For the rest I'll need a confirmation.

Merit source confirmed!
Thank you!
Noted. Congrats.

Another 2  confirmed
1miau  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5158075.msg53079643#msg53079643
bitmover https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;msg=53079201

Congrats to them as well :)


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: fillippone on November 14, 2019, 09:58:38 PM
Merit source confirmed!
Thank you!


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: iasenko on November 15, 2019, 10:52:52 AM
List updated, 6 new confirmed Merit sources, 7 more to go.
Please post or PM. When all are noted I'll lock this topic.

Congrats to all of you!!


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: JayJuanGee on November 15, 2019, 03:05:11 PM
List updated, 6 new confirmed Merit sources, 7 more to go.
Please post or PM. When all are noted I'll lock this topic.

Congrats to all of you!!


Would it be helpful to show both the application date and the approve date (if you know that information) for those members who were approved?  I'm thinking that it could provide some meaningful information for future merit source applicants to see that there is a decent amount of variation in how long applicants might have to wait before getting approval, and maybe even might inform future MS applicants regarding what kinds of things to do (or not do) while a MS application is pending.

By the way, didn't I see that you, iasenko, are not yet a merit source?  You should probably apply, since you have been very good at providing good information to the forum and also filtering through information in order to help others to discern the difference between good and bad posts, so might as well add yourself to the group of merit source applicants, if you have not already done so.

Second by the way:
It will be interesting to see if Coin-1 is able to identify which merit sources have been purged from such merit source status in his thread:   [TOP-200] The most generous users giving merits (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4523027.msg40734583#msg40734583).  I would imagine that he follows threads like this one for clues regarding which members have become merit sources.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: suchmoon on November 15, 2019, 03:13:13 PM
Would it be helpful to show both the application date and the approve date (if you know that information) for those members who were approved?  I'm thinking that it could provide some meaningful information for future merit source applicants to see that there is a decent amount of variation in how long applicants might have to wait before getting approval, and maybe even might inform future MS applicants regarding what kinds of things to do (or not do) while a MS application is pending.

It seems that the applications are approved in batches when theymos has time to review them. Last big change was in January IIRC. Based on some wording in the recent e-mail to merit sorcerers we can probably expect another review in about six months or so.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: fillippone on November 15, 2019, 03:32:18 PM
Would it be helpful to show both the application date and the approve date (if you know that information) for those members who were approved?  I'm thinking that it could provide some meaningful information for future merit source applicants to see that there is a decent amount of variation in how long applicants might have to wait before getting approval, and maybe even might inform future MS applicants regarding what kinds of things to do (or not do) while a MS application is pending.

It seems that the applications are approved in batches when theymos has time to review them. Last big change was in January IIRC. Based on some wording in the recent e-mail to merit sorcerers we can probably expect another review in about six months or so.

I read everywhere about many active and committed sources asking for more sMerits allowance, while many other sources were "dormant" and not giving merits away, of feeling that as a chore.
Probably Theymos wanted to fix that.
Wondering if there is a new "methodology" to determine new Merit Source allocation (some kind of bakward looking average), and consequently determine if a Merit Source is still a valid one (and hence if new are needed), or it was just a "reaction" to what apparently was an extemporaneous "imbalance".


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: suchmoon on November 15, 2019, 04:44:36 PM
Wondering if there is a new "methodology" to determine new Merit Source allocation (some kind of bakward looking average), and consequently determine if a Merit Source is still a valid one (and hence if new are needed), or it was just a "reaction" to what apparently was an extemporaneous "imbalance".

The PM had the word "automatically" in it, whatever that means. It could be an automatic scheduled process, or perhaps more likely it's an automatic adjustment that he can run manually once every few months. The adjustment seems to target a certain value, which appears to be 20k-22k total source merits. Inactive sources are removed, and the remaining ones get an adjustment based proportionally on how many sMerits they sent in the recent months.

The bottom line is - send all your sMerits out every month. That has always been the goal but now there is an added incentive (or disincentive if you're sick of sourcing).


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: JayJuanGee on November 15, 2019, 05:14:00 PM
Would it be helpful to show both the application date and the approve date (if you know that information) for those members who were approved?  I'm thinking that it could provide some meaningful information for future merit source applicants to see that there is a decent amount of variation in how long applicants might have to wait before getting approval, and maybe even might inform future MS applicants regarding what kinds of things to do (or not do) while a MS application is pending.

It seems that the applications are approved in batches when theymos has time to review them. Last big change was in January IIRC. Based on some wording in the recent e-mail to merit sorcerers we can probably expect another review in about six months or so.

I read everywhere about many active and committed sources asking for more sMerits allowance, while many other sources were "dormant" and not giving merits away, of feeling that as a chore.
Probably Theymos wanted to fix that.
Wondering if there is a new "methodology" to determine new Merit Source allocation (some kind of bakward looking average), and consequently determine if a Merit Source is still a valid one (and hence if new are needed), or it was just a "reaction" to what apparently was an extemporaneous "imbalance".

Frequently, theymos comes up with quasi-genius solutions, and surely no solution is perfect, and even this whole merit system could be criticized for being more proof of stake rather than proof of work, and other criticisms of centralizing too much trust into few individuals... hahahahaha

Anywhoo..... theymos's announcement from yesterday was likely a surprise for many members, but yeah, if they had not been giving out many merits for the past 6 months, and could NOT at least average the dishing out of a paltry 10 merits per month, they were removed as a merit source, and in that regard, theymos employed a largely objective algorithm to remove those who were not playing game with this merit system.

In that regard, actions speak louder than words, and even some members who had been assigned as merit sources might not have been so bothered by their assignment as a merit source as to ask for their removal, but their non-use ended up speaking for around 30 of them.

Of course, not every member is good at appreciating the contributions of other members by spending time to give merits, but that does not make them either a bad member or even a non-contributory member.  I won't name any names, but there are some members who are awesome contributors to the forum, but they might not be very good at giving merits and they also might get shit on a lot from other members, but the forum would not even be close to what it is today, with the many quality contributors and even quality incentives to post good content without some of the contributions of some members who kind of suck as a merit source. 

Of course, we are never really going to get rid of troll shills, but some members are very helpful at identifying, or flagging troll/shills in order that more innocent members might take those members with a grain of salt.  At the same time, there are some members who might be nice and innocent and even real good people who are just looking to be scammed.  For some reason they cannot help themselves, and there is ONLY so much that any forum can do in order to protect those kinds of members from theirselves. 

In other words, some members have to learn by getting scammed, and even some of those members might not ever learned and keep getting into scam after scam after scam.  It takes all kinds of peeps to make the world go round, and surely it would be boring if the world did not have a variety of intelligence, strategies and experiments, and surely the free markets would not function as well either if everyone had the same opinions about how to value assets and/or strategies in regards to profiting from the present/future value of such assets (whether we are referring to bitcoin, crypto assets or even non-crypto assets, and even the errors that people might make in assessing and acting on their own personal financial/psychological situation(s)).


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: JayJuanGee on November 15, 2019, 05:20:27 PM
Wondering if there is a new "methodology" to determine new Merit Source allocation (some kind of bakward looking average), and consequently determine if a Merit Source is still a valid one (and hence if new are needed), or it was just a "reaction" to what apparently was an extemporaneous "imbalance".

The PM had the word "automatically" in it, whatever that means. It could be an automatic scheduled process, or perhaps more likely it's an automatic adjustment that he can run manually once every few months. The adjustment seems to target a certain value, which appears to be 20k-22k total source merits. Inactive sources are removed, and the remaining ones get an adjustment based proportionally on how many sMerits they sent in the recent months.

The bottom line is - send all your sMerits out every month. That has always been the goal but now there is an added incentive (or disincentive if you're sick of sourcing).

I understood the concept of "automatically" as a one-time running of an algorithm that theymos had created (or he could have had someone else create it). 

Whether theymos chooses to systematically run that same algorithm or a some similar algorithm in the future would be completely discretionary on his part.  To me, theymos seems to be a kind of "wait and see" kind of guy who would not necessarily want to lock himself into running something so disruptive as this on a regular basis (or in a Turing complete kind of way... hahahha... get rid of all the humans, even himself), and for me, the use of the term "automatically" does not imply with any kind of conviction that theymos is planning to run that same algorithm beyond this one time adjustment that he had decided was reasonable/prudent to run at this particular time.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: iasenko on November 18, 2019, 03:43:15 PM
There is one more confirmation from today - Alex_Sr  with a monthly allocation of <removed> source merit > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4213877.msg53103042#msg53103042
Congrats.
Some of the other applicants seem to be not so active lately and I assume their applications are still open.

By the way, didn't I see that you, iasenko, are not yet a merit source?  You should probably apply, since you have been very good at providing good information to the forum and also filtering through information in order to help others to discern the difference between good and bad posts, so might as well add yourself to the group of merit source applicants, if you have not already done so.

No, I'm not a merit source, I actually manage to have enough earned merit to be able to distribute them almost without interruption, of course when I'm not that active there were a few times I ran out of smerit for week or two but again, all it's up to how active you are on the forum.
Regarding the Merit Source application, if I run out complete out of sMerit then I'll probably apply for one, if they don't implement the Report to Merit source button (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5164223.msg52644413#msg52644413) before that.



Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: fillippone on November 18, 2019, 05:29:58 PM
There is one more confirmation from today - Alex_Sr  with a monthly allocation of <removed> source merit > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4213877.msg53103042#msg53103042
Congrats.
What's the policy for disclosing such informations?
Usually MS have been quite retinent disclosing their allowance, I only heard about vague indications when asked, or describing only percentage change referencing to theymos doing some allowance review.
Asking for a friend.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: bitmover on November 19, 2019, 12:00:05 AM
There is one more confirmation from today - Alex_Sr  with a monthly allocation of ******** source merit

WTF! I thought I was a big merit source with *** smerits monthly allocation!!
 >:(

lol. Still trying to find posts to spend them.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: iasenko on November 19, 2019, 12:08:29 AM
There is one more confirmation from today - Alex_Sr  with a monthly allocation of <removed> source merit > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4213877.msg53103042#msg53103042
Congrats.
What's the policy for disclosing such informations?
Usually MS have been quite retinent disclosing their allowance, I only heard about vague indications when asked, or describing only percentage change referencing to theymos doing some allowance review.
Asking for a friend.

There is one more confirmation from today - Alex_Sr  with a monthly allocation of <removed> source merit

WTF! I thought I was a big merit source with 150 smerits monthly allocation!!
 >:(

lol. Still trying to find posts to spend them.

Maybe I shouldn't have posted the montly allocation even though Alex_sr have stated it in his post, I don't want to start fights between the sources and theymos. Maybe that's why everyone was keeping quiet about it. I think I should keep it that way and remove the amount of smerit.
Sorry guys.

@bitmover, @fillippone, @Alex_sr,
Please remove the stated smerit amount from your posts,.
We already have enough drama, we do not need more.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: bitmover on November 19, 2019, 12:13:51 AM
Maybe I shouldn't have posted the montly allocation even though Alex_sr have stated it in his post, I don't want to start fights between the sources and theymos. Maybe that's why everyone was keeping quiet about it. I think I should keep it that way and remove the amount of smerit.
Sorry guys.

All this information is public iasenko
Just look here and you will see who has more sMerits to give as a source, and who are the sources:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsend

Even if theymos removed those links, there would still be users who like to deal with data, statistics and whatsover and would generate this data and post here.

Edit: I understand your worries about the drama, but I think there won't be much drama.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: iasenko on November 19, 2019, 12:21:52 AM
Maybe I shouldn't have posted the montly allocation even though Alex_sr have stated it in his post, I don't want to start fights between the sources and theymos. Maybe that's why everyone was keeping quiet about it. I think I should keep it that way and remove the amount of smerit.
Sorry guys.

All this information is public iasenko
Just look here and you will see who has more sMerits to give as a source, and who are the sources:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsend

Even if theymos removed those links, there would still be users who like to deal with data, statistics and whatsover and would generate this data and post here.

Edit: I understand your worries about the drama, but I think there won't be much drama.

You can't be 100% sure even if you have all the stats. First you don't know if the users are emptying their source merit or sending earned merit as well. You don't know how much merit is left after those 30 days. You can't get the clear picture, you can only assume, which assumption will be probably close to the reality but still... I don't want to make people feel bad about something I stated in my posts... #spreadlove


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: fillippone on November 19, 2019, 12:35:52 AM

@bitmover, @fillippone, @Alex_sr,
Please remove the stated smerit amount from your posts,.
We already have enough drama, we do not need more.
Done, but I still can read something on your quoted message! ;)


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: theymos on November 19, 2019, 12:52:53 AM
Merit sources are free to reveal their source amounts, though I think it may be a bit unwise. While it will eventually become obvious roughly what the source amounts are from the stats, there's a huge difference between showing up in a "list of probable merit sources" and having a quote out there of you basically saying "I'm a merit source, come beg me for merit, complain about every merit I send, and accuse me of being part of the anti-X/pro-Y conspiracy."


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: davis196 on November 28, 2019, 07:20:41 AM
What is a merit source applicant?I guy,who receives merit and redistributes it across the community? ;D
Is it kinda pointless to apply for such "position"?If you have sMerit,just spend it on some HQ posts.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: DdmrDdmr on November 28, 2019, 07:23:18 AM
What is a merit source applicant?I guy,who receives merit and redistributes it across the community? ;D
Is it kinda pointless to apply for such "position"?If you have sMerit,just spend it on some HQ posts.
Nothing pointless to it. If there were no Merit Sources, the halving (2 received Merits generate 1 sMerit) would eventually lead to there being no sMerits to hand out (at least for the core engine of the Merit System). Applicants are volunteers that allow the system to keep running, and not lead to a stall due to what I mentioned first.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: hd49728 on November 28, 2019, 07:36:52 AM
The basic deflation scheme of merits (halve each distribution) is only one of reasons for potential stall.
The changes of activity or inactivity of users is another reason. Ones can earn lots of merits and have lots of smerits to send but what if that user turn into inactive (abandon the forum, inactively for long period, months or years; or ends with death). Merit pool will naturally dry out without merit sources.

Merit sources serve another role. They play as source of merits for good posters, not all users. Theymos does not want to do a second merit airdrop to all users, including many shitposters.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: Kalemder on November 28, 2019, 11:06:54 AM
I think, active local sections deserve more sources. More sources are needed to make more objective judgments. We think that the number of smerit allocated to the Turkish section is very small. There should be more choice among active members. In this way, we get away from being subjective. Objective distribution becomes.

I can volunteer for that (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5183702.0).
In addition, the Turkish section has many valuable and active  members. They deserve to be the Merit Source. They may be reluctant to apply. They're too modest.:
@PHI1618 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1071136), @AlyattesLydia (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1046135), @wolwoo (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1003533), @gospodin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1339358), @dannybrown (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=509189).

Thank you @Theymos.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: LoyceV on December 03, 2019, 05:04:31 PM
Merit sources are free to reveal their source amounts, though I think it may be a bit unwise. While it will eventually become obvious roughly what the source amounts are from the stats, there's a huge difference between showing up in a "list of probable merit sources" and having a quote out there of you basically saying "I'm a merit source, come beg me for merit, complain about every merit I send, and accuse me of being part of the anti-X/pro-Y conspiracy."
I've had very few people beg for Merit, and I've made it clear I'm a source for more than a year and a half now. The funny ones also ask if they can buy my account :D
Accusations aren't really a problem either, I've seen only a few occasions in which someone questioned the Merit I sent, and although I know I don't have to explain myself, I don't mind doing so either.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: fillippone on December 03, 2019, 05:20:05 PM
The funny ones also ask if they can buy my account :D


I think everything has a price.
And, given your very well knwon position, in a short period of time you could easily build a new account, with all the included benefits.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: JayJuanGee on December 03, 2019, 07:11:25 PM
The basic deflation scheme of merits (halve each distribution) is only one of reasons for potential stall.
The changes of activity or inactivity of users is another reason. Ones can earn lots of merits and have lots of smerits to send but what if that user turn into inactive (abandon the forum, inactively for long period, months or years; or ends with death). Merit pool will naturally dry out without merit sources.

Merit sources serve another role. They play as source of merits for good posters, not all users. Theymos does not want to do a second merit airdrop to all users, including many shitposters.

You know  had considered the 10 year art contest to serve as a kind of merit airdrop for artist wannabes.  Did not really matter too much even if you had good art, as long as you showed some decent efforts, then you received merits in that contest.  Furthermore, I am not sure if the reallocation of active merit sources by 175% during mid-November was a quasi-genius move, but such reallocation (largely an increase of sm for the most active of merit sources) surely allowed some merit sources to splurge a bit in their own sending out of smerits, including splurging in such 10-year art contest to be received by those therein active members willing to put some efforts into making a submission within that thread.



Merit sources are free to reveal their source amounts, though I think it may be a bit unwise. While it will eventually become obvious roughly what the source amounts are from the stats, there's a huge difference between showing up in a "list of probable merit sources" and having a quote out there of you basically saying "I'm a merit source, come beg me for merit, complain about every merit I send, and accuse me of being part of the anti-X/pro-Y conspiracy."
I've had very few people beg for Merit, and I've made it clear I'm a source for more than a year and a half now. The funny ones also ask if they can buy my account :D
Accusations aren't really a problem either, I've seen only a few occasions in which someone questioned the Merit I sent, and although I know I don't have to explain myself, I don't mind doing so either.

You are the gold standard, Loyce.

Most of us mere mortals can only aspire to such, and never really reach it.  #nohomo.    :P :P

Kind of like  nullius or satoshi.... .. but you are actually a so-far non-disappearing living example.. hopefully, I am not jinxing this.  (not that I am superstitious)....


The funny ones also ask if they can buy my account :D


I think everyhing has a price.
And, given your very well knwon position, in a short period of time you could easily build a new account, with all the included benefits.

Say it isn't so...  :'( I would like to wish and hope that everything DOES NOT have a price, but surely even such seemingly perfection like nullius was tricked by alia... so there is that.   :'( :'(


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: tbct_mt2 on December 05, 2019, 01:49:19 AM
The funny ones also ask if they can buy my account :D
If you sell your account and one buy it, the forum community will realize it shortly. Beyond the writing style, the buyer will be unable to keep update your useful data and your lists.

Yes, that is a very funny deal that one had.   :o


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: Kalemder on January 09, 2020, 12:04:06 PM
iasenko - Merit Source Application
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5214512.0
👍


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: iasenko on February 03, 2020, 01:58:29 PM
iasenko - Merit Source Application
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5214512.0
👍

Thank you, I'll update the OP as well.

Wondering what happen with the other applications. If they got approved. Anyway I'll update the OP with the active ones from this year.



Bump :)


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: AakZaki on February 19, 2020, 11:01:26 PM
If I may appoint someone on the local Indonesian board who might be able to become a Source of Merit, I will appoint roycilik (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1051955) he is active every day.
Since there is a Merit source member from Indonesia who has been inactive for a long time pandukelana2712 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1304130) maybe he can switch his position to roycilik (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1051955)

Because it is unfortunate that someone who is a source of Merit but does not do his job properly.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: iasenko on February 20, 2020, 07:59:51 AM
If I may appoint someone on the local Indonesian board who might be able to become a Source of Merit, I will appoint roycilik (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1051955) he is active every day.
Since there is a Merit source member from Indonesia who has been inactive for a long time pandukelana2712 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1304130) maybe he can switch his position to roycilik (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1051955)

Because it is unfortunate that someone who is a source of Merit but does not do his job properly.

This is a good suggestion but I think roycilik should approve it first, because some people does not really want to be a merit sources. In case he wants to become a merit source then he has to follow the same procedure as everyone else, make list with 10 good posts, deserving more merit.
I had some communication with roycilik and I will support his application if he takes this decision :)


Title: Re: [LIST] Open Merit Source Applications...
Post by: Timelord2067 on February 20, 2020, 10:01:37 AM
Perhaps instead of candidates nominating themselves, we should have candidates who are nominated by others and also exhibit the capacity to be impartial when dispensing those merits.

Then again, we probably wouldn't have *any* merit sources if we had to wait that long such is the flawed system we currently have in place.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: ETFbitcoin on February 20, 2020, 10:36:00 AM
Because it is unfortunate that someone who is a source of Merit but does not do his job properly.

Merit source isn't a job, it's voluntary action.


Title: Re: [LIST] Open Merit Source Applications...
Post by: Debonaire217 on February 20, 2020, 11:09:42 AM
Perhaps instead of candidates nominating themselves, we should have candidates who are nominated by others and also exhibit the capacity to be impartial when dispensing those merits.

Then again, we probably wouldn't have *any* merit sources if we had to wait that long such is the flawed system we currently have in place.

This basically the test of the will on how these candidates are really willing to voluntarily distribute merits to those who are deserving. IMO, if we nominate merit sources and these sources aren't really dedicated to help the forum group, them, becoming merit source will not be effective enough for the forum.

Thus, self nomination of the members who are truly passionate and dedicated to distribute merit is quite better. In addition, the other members could also provide their insights, supports to whoever will try to apply for becoming a merit source.


Title: Re: [LIST] Open Merit Source Applications...
Post by: Timelord2067 on February 20, 2020, 11:17:38 AM
This basically the test of the will on how these candidates are really willing to voluntarily distribute merits to those who are deserving. IMO, if we nominate merit sources and these sources aren't really dedicated to help the forum group, them, becoming merit source will not be effective enough for the forum.

Thus, self nomination of the members who are truly passionate and dedicated to distribute merit is quite better. In addition, the other members could also provide their insights, supports to whoever will try to apply for becoming a merit source.

I've seen numerous threads debunking merit sources dishing upwards of fifty merits in one go.

When was the last time you saw a thread (or even a single post) saying a merit source got it right?


Title: Re: [LIST] Open Merit Source Applications...
Post by: cryptoaddictchie on February 21, 2020, 08:01:41 AM
Perhaps instead of candidates nominating themselves, we should have candidates who are nominated by others and also exhibit the capacity to be impartial when dispensing those merits.

The task is voluntary mate. What if that someone you nominated hasnt up for the job? So I think its better to stay with the same method of self nomination and application..

I kinda like the idea but there are some lapses too like what @Debonaire217 mentioned.

Thus, self nomination of the members who are truly passionate and dedicated to distribute merit is quite better.
Agree with this. A voluntary task is way more effective and we can see his determination to do so. Plus Theymos will pick him up to see if his really qualified.



Title: Re: [LIST] Open Merit Source Applications...
Post by: iasenko on February 21, 2020, 10:01:36 AM
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When was the last time you saw a thread (or even a single post) saying a merit source got it right?

No one will open thread just to say "thank you" but of course if you do something others don't like or accept, then you get all the hell over your head. Anyway, we should keep it that way as it is.
If you show a desire to be a merit source and bear all the responsibilities, others can support your application.
If you thinks someone is eligible for a merit source, then just PM him with a question if he wants to become one. It's very easy :)


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: AakZaki on February 21, 2020, 01:19:31 PM
Merit source isn't a job, it's voluntary action.
more precisely is to assume responsibility as @iasenko said, if that responsibility is not carried out as it should then what is the point of being a source of Merit.

because in my opinion the purpose of being made a source of merit is just to distribute it well.


Title: Re: [LIST] Open Merit Source Applications...
Post by: Timelord2067 on February 21, 2020, 06:12:06 PM
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When was the last time you saw a thread (or even a single post) saying a merit source got it right?

No one will open thread just to say "thank you" but of course if you do something others don't like or accept, then you get all the hell over your head. Anyway, we should keep it that way as it is.
If you show a desire to be a merit source and bear all the responsibilities, others can support your application.
If you thinks someone is eligible for a merit source, then just PM him with a question if he wants to become one. It's very easy :)

Was that a threat?

I guess you never heard of the "Newbie of the Year award".

::)


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: ETFbitcoin on February 22, 2020, 07:04:01 AM
Merit source isn't a job, it's voluntary action.
more precisely is to assume responsibility as @iasenko said, if that responsibility is not carried out as it should then what is the point of being a source of Merit.

because in my opinion the purpose of being made a source of merit is just to distribute it well.

But it's not realistic to expect volunteer to do their "responsibility" for long time. Some people might leave because they're no longer interested or have more important things to do..


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: LoyceV on February 22, 2020, 01:08:53 PM
But it's not realistic to expect volunteer to do their "responsibility" for long time. Some people might leave because they're no longer interested or have more important things to do..
That's probably one of the reasons why theymos looks for "somewhat established members": they're not likely to quickly disappear.


Title: Re: [LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.
Post by: cabalism13 on February 24, 2020, 08:14:27 AM
Bump!

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