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Title: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on November 05, 2019, 02:48:12 PM A new round, the old OP was arhcived here > http://archive.fo/Zxt86
To make theymos' life easier, let's put together all the " Attentions Here I need more sMerit Sir Theymos Please Sir" and bump just this one. So Everyone who ran out of merit, or has too many sourceMerit please post below and I'll put you in the list. Those who I found til now are : Updated: 05.06.20
Seems like theymos heard our request, ... and please don't forget to consider my msource application (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5214512.0) Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on November 05, 2019, 02:59:56 PM I don't know if Theymos is going to act on this thread, but it would probably help. If possible, I'd like to suggest myself for an increase in source sMerits. I've been sort of inconsistent with my merit-giving over the past few months, but I've been trying to do better and last month I gave out a TON of merits. Right now I'm out of my allocated sMerits and am using the ones I've earned. It'd be great if Theymos could grant me just a little bit more so I don't keep running out every month.
I'm not even sure how many I get per month, because I've never kept track and I think I keep getting more on different dates--but it doesn't seem like I ever have enough, at least not for the last two months or so. If other members didn't keep meriting my posts, I'm sure I'd be completely out at the end of every allocation period. Thanks for the thread, OP. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: TMAN on November 05, 2019, 03:22:57 PM Right now I'm out of my allocated sMerits and am using the ones I've earned. same - as I haven't been to active recently I have been more liberal with my merits to try to ensure they are not burnt/lost - but I will be more active again now so everyone other than TAA is in with a chance Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: o_e_l_e_o on November 05, 2019, 03:40:08 PM I've never made a thread about it, but I am chronically out of both source and personal sMerits, and frequently have to skip over good posts because I am either out of merit or I have only 2 or 3 left, and I always like to keep a couple in reserve in case of coming across an excellent post or a good newbie. I stopped keeping a list of saved posts I wanted to merit because whenever my merits are replenished I always have new posts to award, so my list was never getting any smaller.
Add me to the list, thanks. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: El duderino_ on November 05, 2019, 04:47:00 PM Thx for the thread, I will lock mine I just stick with this thread to occasionally ask for an increase of Source......
I think the time is there to help us out and give us a bit what we are asking for, in order to help around the forum we should get some attention with this issue. Would merit the OP but same troubles as yesterday 0 and 0 atm ::) Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: El duderino_ on November 05, 2019, 04:55:38 PM I'm always run out of merit source and personal sMerit quickly, even though i send 1 sMerit most of the times. Please add me to the list as well. Hope you get some increase, but then as a source rethink your send strategy... It's better if a post as member is merit worthy to send at least 2merit, he will generate a Smerit himself what is good for further distribution and in order to rank up a bit.... People who has no source merit, do like to award a merit as well when they read something they like.... and as a non source its hard to gain some Smerits... Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: o_e_l_e_o on November 05, 2019, 05:02:46 PM It's better if a post as member is merit worthy to send at least 2merit, he will generate a Smerit himself what is good for further distribution and in order to rank up a bit. I disagree. I'd love to send more than one merit at a time to some posts and users, but since my sMerits are always so limited, if my choice is between sending one merit to two different posts, or sending two merits to one post and none to the second post, then I'm usually going to choose to send one merit to each.That merit isn't wasted in terms of the user earning their own sMerits. They still earn 0.5 sMerits even though they can't see it, and will then have 1 sMerit to send after they receive a second merit themselves. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: Vispilio on November 05, 2019, 05:06:42 PM Excellent thread @iasenko, I appreciate these efforts for transparency and fairness. Since the introduction of the dynamic Default Trust system, Merit has also acquired strategic implications far beyond spam prevention & upvoting.
If we want to talk about a decentralized and well-distributed checks & balances system where Trust feedback will not be stuck in an insiders' echo chamber, but will truly reflect the diverse worldviews and value systems of accomplished members from around the world, it's essential that the Source Merit allocations / month reflect that, so a balanced quantity should reach every active local board commensurate with the levels of meaningful engagement and interactions originating from those sections... Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: hugeblack on November 05, 2019, 06:52:14 PM What is the maximum sMerits per month? Are there more than 1000 per month? I have a good number of sMerit per month but it is enough to send it in the form of 1 merit/good quality member. "Probably the most user who sent 1 Merits ;D ;D ;D"
Generally, I have some free time until next March so increasing it will be good. #join Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: Welsh on November 05, 2019, 06:54:12 PM What is the maximum sMerits per month? Are there more than 1000 per month? I have a good number of sMerit per month but it is enough to send it in the form of 1 merit/good quality member. "Probably the most user who sent 1 Merits ;D ;D ;D" I don't believe there's been a number given out for the maximum amount of sMerit a user can have, and I think its fairly accurate to assume that theoretically there is no limit. Suchmoon seems to have the most monthly sMerit to distribute each month based on my observations. Generally, I have some free time until next March so increasing it will be good. If you were to take a look at the total amount of monthly merit received, sent, and take into consideration a user only gets half of each merit received then you would get a good indication of how much merit they have to spend from source each month. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: yahoo62278 on November 05, 2019, 07:19:23 PM I have a question about merit sources. Are they all trustworthy? I am not making any assumptions about any single merit source here, but I was recently sent a PM about facebook groups and posts on fiver that are selling merit. Below are the 2 links that were sent to me but if there are 2 then I am positive there are more.
https://www.fiverr.com/crypto_ico_/supply-merits-for-your-bitcointalk-and-member-rank-accounts https://www.fiverr.com/bounty_1/supply-bitcointalk-merits-for-your-bitcointalk-account What sort of process goes into choosing a merit source? What happens if a merit source is found to be a merit seller? Will all the merits that source sent be removed from the profiles the merits were sent to? Will the source be perma banned? Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: El duderino_ on November 05, 2019, 07:39:23 PM It's better if a post as member is merit worthy to send at least 2merit, he will generate a Smerit himself what is good for further distribution and in order to rank up a bit. I disagree. I'd love to send more than one merit at a time to some posts and users, but since my sMerits are always so limited, if my choice is between sending one merit to two different posts, or sending two merits to one post and none to the second post, then I'm usually going to choose to send one merit to each.That merit isn't wasted in terms of the user earning their own sMerits. They still earn 0.5 sMerits even though they can't see it, and will then have 1 sMerit to send after they receive a second merit themselves. Here I disagree, I like to encourage people to use the merit system where its made for and not post multiple post only to gain merit because its so hard to get some Smerit when a person isn't a source..... I do understand your opion of-course, but this statement of me only reflects why its needed to have a bigger stash as a source! When its known that a merit source isn't out of line with sending then I would suggest he just needs much more as it is, so we can at least X2 merit at good post/members at least... Also when I wasn't a merit source I do remember being active a lot, read a lot, good constructive as good humor etc but I wasn't able of sending merit cause I was always very limited and that as one of the higher earning merit people around, so I know many are in trouble to gain some merits (NOT that its the most important to have) BUT as a member of the community we all like the give and receive merit! Why cause its just a part of the forum and cause all the members are talking about it. I will always defend my opinion as when you are a source, you should send more as 1 merit a time Good we are not all the same and that some will agree and some will disagree, but I would love to hear some opinions of more people ?? I think for example suchmoon gets the point of being a source very well.... and more should act the way he does with merit sending. We cannot read everything but we get to know members and we can separate the dirt from the good, so if we merit a good one more then he will resend he's gained merit with good care, and thats exactly whats a community about... it needs to ride and flow involving as many as possible... Excuse me if i'm writing a bit weird, but the wine is talking! I'm always run out of merit source and personal sMerit quickly, even though i send 1 sMerit most of the times. Please add me to the list as well. Hope you get some increase, but then as a source rethink your send strategy... It's better if a post as member is merit worthy to send at least 2merit, he will generate a Smerit himself what is good for further distribution and in order to rank up a bit.... People who has no source merit, do like to award a merit as well when they read something they like.... and as a non source its hard to gain some Smerits... Thanks for the suggestion, but each merit source have different strategy about sending sMerit. Few even send same amount of sMerit to all posts. Besides, it's not like they'll receive only 1 merit in their lifetime :P Exactly understand where you're coming from, but its just a strategy exchange ::) I have a question about merit sources. Are they all trustworthy? I am not making any assumptions about any single merit source here, but I was recently sent a PM about facebook groups and posts on fiver that are selling merit. Below are the 2 links that were sent to me but if there are 2 then I am positive there are more. https://www.fiverr.com/crypto_ico_/supply-merits-for-your-bitcointalk-and-member-rank-accounts https://www.fiverr.com/bounty_1/supply-bitcointalk-merits-for-your-bitcointalk-account What sort of process goes into choosing a merit source? What happens if a merit source is found to be a merit seller? Will all the merits that source sent be removed from the profiles the merits were sent to? Will the source be perma banned? I don't know all the merit sources of-course but it would be important to have trustworthy members as sources.... I know i'm not selling :) (easy to track) have given away a lot more as what a merit could sell for .... But nonetheless some of the hunters will investigate i'm sure of :) Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: o_e_l_e_o on November 05, 2019, 08:19:29 PM I will always defend my opinion as when you are a source, you should send more as 1 merit a time I understand where you are coming from, and I would like to be able to send more than 1 at a time in some instances, but given that I am constantly running out, if I were to send twice as much merit to each post I could only merit half as many people. I prefer to spread it around as much as possible. Agree to disagree.What happens if a merit source is found to be a merit seller? Will all the merits that source sent be removed from the profiles the merits were sent to? Will the source be perma banned? At the top of https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit for all merit sources it includes the following statement:Quote It is not allowed for merit sources to sell their merit. I can only imagine that if a source was caught selling merit they would at the very least have their source status removed. Whether or not those merits are reversed would be up to theymos on an individual basis I guess. The odd merit here or there I would guess would be left, but if someone had given out 50 merit at a time to a couple of accounts, that might be reversed as he has done in other scenarios in the past. I doubt very much it would lead to a perma-ban. Still, every time I see these "merit sellers", I always question if the ad is true. It's a very easy way to rip people off, knowing full well that they can't come on here and complain or open a scam accusation because their account will be red trusted to high heaven for trying to purchase merit. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: 1miau on November 05, 2019, 09:22:17 PM ... I'm feeling very honoured to be added to your list of "Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation" but I have to admit I'm not a Merit Source yet. :-\Those who I found til now are : Updated: 05.11.19
My application (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5158075.0) is still pending and I'm waiting to be appointed... Merit Sources have an additional text field when they try to send Merit ("You are a Merit Source. The next xxx Merit...") No Merit Source Merit Source I wouldn't complain if it looks like the one from micgoossens soon. ;) Good we are not all the same and that some will agree and some will disagree, but I would love to hear some opinions of more people ?? As a Merit Source it depends a lot on how many sMerit they are getting. If it's not much, I think the best way is to distribute it to as many users as possible (1 Merit per post). Best solution would be to give Merit according to the quality of the post but I think most Merit Sources would be very fast out of it. If a Merit Source has a large number of sMerit left every month while they are sending only 1 Merit per post (even if the post deserves more) then their allocation should be reduced or they should adjust their spending habits (send more per post). Finally, I think sending 1 or 2 Merit per post doesn't make much difference as long as all sMerits are spend. It's not unlikely that you'll give the same person 2 x 1 for two different posts or 1 x 2 Merits for the same one. Important part is, that the allocated Source Merits are getting in circulation. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on November 05, 2019, 11:14:54 PM * I totally forgot about the other thread where I listed you in the waiting list for MS. Sorry, it's corrected now. As I posted in my other thread about merit sources applications, it is only positive thing that you guys are running out of smerit. Before you should create a thread to look for good posts. This is only a indication that the quality of the posts have increased and theymos succeeded with all the small and so small forum tweaks. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: Vod on November 06, 2019, 02:41:18 AM So Everyone who ran out of merit, or has too many sourceMerit please post below and I'll put you in the list. Wish you had done this a few months ago. I never could get under 800 sMerits. :( I had to do what Theymos suggested and send 10x the merit to a good post instead of 1 point to 10 mediocre posts. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: The Cryptovator on November 06, 2019, 05:54:20 AM I have been countering this below message more than 20 days on every month.
Quote You are a merit source. The next 0 merit you spend will come from your source rather than your sMerit balance. Merit spent from your source will come back in 30 days. Unused source merit is wasted. It is not allowed for merit sources to sell their merit. I have remembered my allocation was 50/per month when added me first time on merit source. But now, look like receiving less than 50 per month (LOL). To be honest my monthly allocation finished before 10 days of receive smerit. Its quite reasonable to increase my monthly allocation. On the other hand airdrop merits are decaying day by day. So increase merit source and smerit allocation for current merit sources is demand of time. I am spending enough time on this forum and even sometimes I can't merit on good post due to lack of smerits. So YES, I am expecting for increase my monthly allocation. I don't know if theymos reading this thread or if he consider OP list for increase merit allocation. But for me, if not then I will have to write theymos once again. Anyway OP make it eaiser for apply increase monthly allocation and thanks for that. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: tranthidung on November 06, 2019, 06:22:20 AM What happens if a merit source is found to be a merit seller? Will all the merits that source sent be removed from the profiles the merits were sent to? Will the source be perma banned? Months ago, maybe in late of 2018 or very early months of 2019, one or two merit sources removed and all merits sent from them reverted by theymos. This change created messy situation on merit data (negative merits, something like that), and some forum stats analysers, @DdmrDdmr or @LoyceV can confirm and point out past posts related to this issue.Furthermore, I don't remembered exactly but I still have a memory that due to abuse on merits, when banned accounts sent sMerits to their alts or sell their sMerits, from that theymos adjusted the forum merit system and lock merit button of banned accounts. Theymos does not care about merit sellers because merit sellers are unable (mostly) earn merits themselves. Consequently, they will run out of initial airdropped sMerits and back-and-forth sMerits between their alts. Finally, they will do not have a single sMerit left to sell. Merit sales, transfers to aliases, back-and-forth trading, etc. are not much of an issue. All illegitimate merit will decay, and will account for a tiny and very expensive fraction of the total merit economy. It's basically a rounding error; fight it where convenient, but waste no sleep over it. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: Daniel91 on November 06, 2019, 07:34:34 AM Thank you for this topic, great idea!
At the moment I'm only merit source in Croatian section of the forum and have only 25 sMerits available to give monthly. Since some of Croatian members don't write often in English part of the forum and don't have big chance that someone understand their posts and reward good quality posts with merits, I started topic in Croatian section where all local members can report their good posts and some of them I reward with merits. Previous Croatian merit source had 50 sMerits available and later theymos increased this number to 100 sMerits for him but he received permaban and we lost this merit source. Of course I sometimes reward good quality posts in English section of the forum but because I don't have much sMerits available I have to plan in advance how to spend it and sometimes can't reward some really good posts on the forum. I hope theymos read this topic and will accept my request. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: hosseinimr93 on November 06, 2019, 08:28:01 AM At the moment I'm only merit source in Croatian section of the forum and have only 25 sMerits available to give monthly. I don't understand Croatian. But I just checked Croatian board (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=201.0).I don't think you need more sMerits. Because very few posts are made in this board. While today is November 6, there are only 9 threads at the first page of the board which their last post are made in November. The last post of the last thread of the first page has been made on August 26. So, I don't think Croatian board is that active and there is no need to more sMerits. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: El duderino_ on November 06, 2019, 09:57:17 AM Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: DdmrDdmr on November 06, 2019, 10:26:18 AM Just though I’d drop a graphical image of the meriting trends of each of the forum members listed in the OP. I’ve narrowed it down to 2019:
https://i.imgur.com/bHRknB7.png Flatter line segments mean low or out of sMerit (or taking a break). Note: Logically we cannot discern which awarded sMerits are from the Merit Source pool, and which come from earned merit halving as sMerits. Mmmm the greens look a like on my screen :-* Not great with colours myself (being colour-blind). The system chose the colours. From top to bottom (looking at the right-hand side extremes): EFTbitcoin, micgoossens, hugeblack, o_e_l_e_o, The Pharmacist, CryptopreneurBrainboss, Vispilio.It may be easier to visualize on the Dashboard itself (hover over a line to get info -> username, date and number of accumulated sMerits): https://public.tableau.com/shared/35JZZGPW8?:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: El duderino_ on November 06, 2019, 11:27:46 AM Mmmm the greens look a like on my screen :-*
Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: Daniel91 on November 06, 2019, 11:30:54 AM At the moment I'm only merit source in Croatian section of the forum and have only 25 sMerits available to give monthly. I don't understand Croatian. But I just checked Croatian board (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=201.0).I don't think you need more sMerits. Because very few posts are made in this board. While today is November 6, there are only 9 threads at the first page of the board which their last post are made in November. The last post of the last thread of the first page has been made on August 26. So, I don't think Croatian board is that active and there is no need to more sMerits. I think that I was clear enough but if not I will explain again. I don't ask for merits only because of Croatian section and local Croatian users (in fact most posts from Croatian users I reward with sMerits in English part of the forum ). I ask for more merits so that I can reward good quality posts in English part of the forum (posts from all users not just Croats). Because I don’t have enough sMerits I can't reward all good quality posts I find on the forum. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: o_e_l_e_o on November 06, 2019, 12:27:10 PM Months ago, maybe in late of 2018 or very early months of 2019, one or two merit sources removed and all merits sent from them reverted by theymos. This change created messy situation on merit data (negative merits, something like that), and some forum stats analysers, @DdmrDdmr or @LoyceV can confirm and point out past posts related to this issue. Firstly in October last year, QuestionAuthority was removed as a merit source for giving out 30 merit at a time to anyone who asked for it, but these merits were not reversed: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5050263.msg47050953#msg47050953Then in February of this year, stingers was removed as a merit source and since he was trying to cheat the trust system effectively had the recent merits he had sent nullified by theymos sending out an equivalent amount of negative merits: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095156.msg49603204#msg49603204 Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: LoyceV on November 06, 2019, 12:37:54 PM It's better if a post as member is merit worthy to send at least 2merit, he will generate a Smerit himself what is good for further distribution and in order to rank up a bit. I disagree. I'd love to send more than one merit at a time to some posts and users, but since my sMerits are always so limited, if my choice is between sending one merit to two different posts, or sending two merits to one post and none to the second post, then I'm usually going to choose to send one merit to each.I do understand your opion of-course, but this statement of me only reflects why its needed to have a bigger stash as a source! I can see from your (micgoossens') sMerit distribution that for months in a row you're out of sMerit before the end of the month: Quote Merit sent by micgoossens (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1067333) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-10-26_Sat_10.16h/1067333.html)) from January 24, 2018 until November 01, 2019 (source (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1067333.html)) http://loyce.club/Merit/history/img/1067333_red.gif Months ago, maybe in late of 2018 or very early months of 2019, one or two merit sources removed and all merits sent from them reverted by theymos. This change created messy situation on merit data (negative merits, something like that), and some forum stats analysers, @DdmrDdmr or @LoyceV can confirm and point out past posts related to this issue. See:Quote Merit sent by deMerit (Bitcoin Forum) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=0) from January 24, 2018 until November 01, 2019 (source (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/0.html)) 16. Tue Feb 5 23:07:11 2019: -2 (-104) to cryptohunter (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=92110) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-10-26_Sat_10.16h/92110.html)) (history (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/92110.html)) for 15. Tue Feb 5 23:07:10 2019: -5 (-102) to peloso (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=81995) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-10-26_Sat_10.16h/81995.html)) (history (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/81995.html)) for 14. Tue Feb 5 23:07:10 2019: -2 (-97) to Deena (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1316028) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-10-26_Sat_10.16h/1316028.html)) (history (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1316028.html)) for 13. Tue Feb 5 23:07:10 2019: -9 (-95) to hoop (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=290351) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-10-26_Sat_10.16h/290351.html)) (history (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/290351.html)) for 12. Tue Feb 5 23:07:10 2019: -1 (-86) to Rmcdermott927 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=289011) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-10-26_Sat_10.16h/289011.html)) (history (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/289011.html)) for 11. Tue Feb 5 23:07:10 2019: -9 (-85) to TheCoinFinder (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=249872) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-10-26_Sat_10.16h/249872.html)) (history (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/249872.html)) for 10. Tue Feb 5 23:07:10 2019: -7 (-76) to Tupsu (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=249436) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-10-26_Sat_10.16h/249436.html)) (history (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/249436.html)) for 9. Tue Feb 5 23:07:10 2019: -8 (-69) to LiQio (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=165478) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-10-26_Sat_10.16h/165478.html)) (history (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/165478.html)) for 8. Tue Feb 5 23:07:10 2019: -2 (-61) to mich (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=9645) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-10-26_Sat_10.16h/9645.html)) (history (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/9645.html)) for 7. Tue Feb 5 23:07:10 2019: -10 (-59) to Quickseller (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=358020) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-10-26_Sat_10.16h/358020.html)) (history (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/358020.html)) for 6. Tue Feb 5 23:07:10 2019: -10 (-49) to TECSHARE (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=15728) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-10-26_Sat_10.16h/15728.html)) (history (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/15728.html)) for 5. 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Tue Feb 5 23:07:10 2019: -5 (-5) to H8bussesNbicycles (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2472107) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-10-26_Sat_10.16h/2472107.html)) (history (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/2472107.html)) for As for myself: I don't feel like I need a larger source amount, but I wouldn't mind having to give more either. I try to keep my source amount as close to zero as possible, and I still have quite a decent amount of "my own" sMerits left. But it's less than 10% of the amount of sMerit I've sent in total. If my source would double, that would effectively mean I'll have to double the amount I send per post. If that's something theymos is interested in considering the posts I've Merited, I'd welcome an increase. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: Last of the V8s on November 06, 2019, 12:56:15 PM The system chose the colours. This is very sad-making. We must rise up against our software overlords. Because I don’t have enough sMerits I can't reward all good quality posts I find on the forum. This is very sad-making. We must rise up against our merit-source-allocating overlords. Seriously now, there does seem to be a level of angst about this. Maybe theymos is waiting to see how the art thread pans out, with his encouragement to splurge out merit there, but I for one would love to hear his thoughts fairly soon on whether or not there's enough merit in the economy. Perhaps though his silence on the issue is telling. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: cabalism13 on November 07, 2019, 12:26:33 AM Requesting to be added on the list.
I'm currently saving all the sMerits right now, I really doubt I still have the same 100 sMerits, its also too slow on getting back, I feel like it is back on 50. Been saving it all up this past few days so I won't run out. Am not a good topic starter so earning Merits to get sMerits wouldn't be possible. I wonder if I can have another increase even if its already gonna be the last. I will accept whatever amount of increase that will be given to me for the last time. I try to keep my source amount as close to zero as possible,... I really thought that you have almost the same amount as the others like DarkStar_ and suchmoonTitle: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: DarkStar_ on November 07, 2019, 04:16:56 AM I'm currently saving all the sMerits right now, I really doubt I still have the same 100 sMerits, its also too slow on getting back, I feel like it is back on 50. Why save? Source sMerits come back 30 days after you spend them. By saving them, you'll be sending less merit overall so there's not much point. Your source size is probably still the same. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: cabalism13 on November 07, 2019, 04:31:34 AM Just made a computation, I will only be distributing 3 sMerits per day. So I will start by now, and by that, means the ones I'll be getting will be saved for later use.
Quote You are a merit source. The next 23 merit you spend will come from your source rather than your sMerit balance. Merit spent from your source will come back in 30 days. Unused source merit is wasted. It is not allowed for merit sources to sell their merit. I still have 1 for today, and I think it should be good instead of waiting. So everyday I get sMerits to give. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: LoyceV on November 07, 2019, 11:10:13 AM I try to keep my source amount as close to zero as possible,... I really thought that you have almost the same amount as the others like DarkStar_ and suchmoonTitle: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on November 07, 2019, 11:14:39 AM I’m always out so you can add me to the list needing more please ———>
https://i.ibb.co/71NDq9Q/BF552-C58-5-F1-E-460-B-81-A2-A2-CCB07-BBAFD.png Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: El duderino_ on November 07, 2019, 11:26:52 AM Just made a computation, I will only be distributing 3 sMerits per day. So I will start by now, and by that, means the ones I'll be getting will be saved for later use. Quote You are a merit source. The next 23 merit you spend will come from your source rather than your sMerit balance. Merit spent from your source will come back in 30 days. Unused source merit is wasted. It is not allowed for merit sources to sell their merit. I still have 1 for today, and I think it should be good instead of waiting. So everyday I get sMerits to give. Don't calculate out what to send when ... just send when its due ... if its empty then its not your fault, but the systems fault of not providing a good daily active merit sender with a bigger allocation. But saving up the merits is flaw as well. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: LoyceV on November 07, 2019, 12:29:44 PM Don't calculate out what to send when ... just send when its due ... if its empty then its not your fault, but the systems fault of not providing a good daily active merit sender with a bigger allocation. At the start of this year, my source amount was doubled (to 400), and at that moment it was reset to the full amount too. I tried to spend it evenly through the month so that it comes back evenly the next month too. It doesn't always work, if I'm inactive for a few days it goes up, and the next month it doesn't get replenished for a few days, but on most days it's pretty steady.So if I spend about 15-20 sMerit per day (including the ones I earn myself), my source stays close to empty, while I'm never out of sMerit if I see a couple of posts that deserve more. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on November 07, 2019, 01:17:06 PM The list is updated, I have not so much time today, so if I missed someone, please shoot me a PM or post here.
Today is my Second Birthday in the Forum woohoo:) Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: El duderino_ on November 08, 2019, 01:09:56 AM The list is updated, I have not so much time today, so if I missed someone, please shoot me a PM or post here. Today is my Second Birthday in the Forum woohoo:) Missed LFC_bitcoin ;) Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on November 08, 2019, 08:28:21 AM Thanks guys, I was on the road almost the whole day yesterday, so I had some small breaks to read the forum, but for 5 min, you can't really read deeply trough.
Anyway, sorry LFC_bitcoin, now you are on the list. :) Updated! Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on November 08, 2019, 06:27:59 PM Thanks guys, I was on the road almost the whole day yesterday, so I had some small breaks to read the forum, but for 5 min, you can't really read deeply trough. Anyway, sorry LFC_bitcoin, now you are on the list. :) Updated! Don’t apologise my friend & thanks :) Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: hugeblack on November 09, 2019, 12:35:33 PM I get 400 source Merits per month. Based on Most generous recent merit senders (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsend), I guess suchmoon has around 1200, and DarkStar_ 200. It could be more, if they don't empty it. I thought there were merit sources that gained more than 2,000 sMerits per month. But since suchmoon gets about 1200 and DarkStar_ 200, I think my source Merits are good.I get about 50 sMerits/month and currently I get 250 in addition to what I earn per month, maybe I can spend 300 per month. Today is my Second Birthday in the Forum woohoo:) Congratulations @iasenko it is good that you have earned more than 1300 Merits in less than two years, you are doing a great job :D. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more/less source merit, @theymos. Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on November 11, 2019, 01:39:51 PM I’m not 100% sure on my source allowance, I haven’t counted or kept a record. It can’t be any more than 100 per month though. I am literally always out!
I usually rank 25th - 30th in the monthly merit senders list but earn a fair bit myself. I could definitely do with an increased source allowance. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more/less source merit, @theymos. Post by: El duderino_ on November 11, 2019, 05:17:08 PM https://i.imgflip.com/3fzrpy.jpg (https://imgflip.com/i/3fzrpy)via Imgflip Meme Generator (https://imgflip.com/memegenerator)
Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more/less source merit, @theymos. Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on November 11, 2019, 05:21:06 PM https://i.imgflip.com/3fzrpy.jpg (https://imgflip.com/i/3fzrpy)via Imgflip Meme Generator (https://imgflip.com/memegenerator) Would have Merited this but, you know.... https://i.ibb.co/3R3F3YV/5752955-D-7-EBD-4415-8-BB0-B139-D551-C3-E8.png Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: marlboroza on November 12, 2019, 08:39:09 PM Good thread sir, add me to "please theymos more merit" list, I've spent merits a week ago or something.
At the moment I'm only merit source in Croatian section of the forum and have only 25 sMerits available to give monthly. I believe I have told you at least 5 times that you are not the only merit source in our section ::)Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources in a need of bigger/smaller Source Merit Allocation. Post by: Daniel91 on November 13, 2019, 09:10:08 AM Good thread sir, add me to "please theymos more merit" list, I've spent merits a week ago or something. At the moment I'm only merit source in Croatian section of the forum and have only 25 sMerits available to give monthly. I believe I have told you at least 5 times that you are not the only merit source in our section ::)Excuse me, my mistake. Since you are rarely on our local part of the forum, as well as Lauda, it is easy to forget that you are also a merit source who understands Croatian. :D :D Since you are rarely on our local part of the forum, as well as Lauda, it is easy to forget that you are also a merit source who understands Croatian. :D :D I am more often than you think, I just don't spam the same things over and over again :) But let's keep that for our local board, shell we?If you will keep that to our local board, no problem ;D ;D Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more/less source merit, @theymos. Post by: malevolent on November 14, 2019, 04:03:43 AM I also frequently run out of merits so you can add me to the list if you want to. It wasn't a problem until around March-April of this year, I wasn't as active for the first year or so since the introduction of the merit system.
Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more/less source merit, @theymos. Post by: Last of the V8s on November 14, 2019, 11:23:45 AM https://i.imgur.com/nOmHYF9.jpg (https://imgur.com/nOmHYF9)
"pls sir theymos we would like some more merits" Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more/less source merit, @theymos. Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on November 14, 2019, 06:34:00 PM Did everybody get a PM from theymos today?
Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more/less source merit, @theymos. Post by: LoyceV on November 14, 2019, 06:38:59 PM Did everybody get a PM from theymos today? I assume all Merit sources received the PM.Merit sources (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sources): Quote There are 90 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 18821 sMerit per 30 days I won't disclose the PM, but I can say I now have to double the amount I send per post:As for myself: I don't feel like I need a larger source amount, but I wouldn't mind having to give more either. I try to keep my source amount as close to zero as possible, and I still have quite a decent amount of "my own" sMerits left. But it's less than 10% of the amount of sMerit I've sent in total. If my source would double, that would effectively mean I'll have to double the amount I send per post. If that's something theymos is interested in considering the posts I've Merited, I'd welcome an increase. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more/less source merit, @theymos. Post by: suchmoon on November 14, 2019, 06:43:10 PM I won't disclose the PM, but I can say I now have to double the amount I send per post: I'm torn about this. If I start sending 7 a pop then I'm gonna have to make it 12 when the next "automatic" adjustment happens. Should I not send as much? Edit: actually the total source allocation target seems to be ~20k so maybe there won't be another adjustment like that as long as everyone plays nice and EMPTIES THEIR FRIGGING SAUCE MERITS EVERY MONTH >:( Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more/less source merit, @theymos. Post by: LoyceV on November 14, 2019, 06:48:05 PM I'm torn about this. If I start sending 7 a pop then I'm gonna have to make it 12 when the next "automatic" adjustment happens. Should I not send as much? There's this:If they complain about amounts, tell them to complain to me. It's best if sources try to exhaust their source allocations, even if it means giving posts higher amounts than is typical. If you have 150 source merit and you only see 3 merit-worthy posts in a month, then I'd rather you over-give each of them 50 merit than let the merit expire. That way there are more people capable of sending merit, and the "merit economy" is less top-down. Theymos wants you to empty your source, and if you can't (LOL) find like 2000 good posts per month, you're going to have to send more per post :DIf the inactive sources were removed, and the active sources received an increase, that means we can expect an increase in sent Merit from now on. I think that's a good thing, and thanks theymos for listening to iasenko :) Looks like there are less merit sources and generated sMerit now The forum doesn't need inactive sources.Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more/less source merit, @theymos. Post by: philipma1957 on November 14, 2019, 06:51:38 PM Did everybody get a PM from theymos today? Yeah and since I have deliberatively not given a merit since October 18th in and effort to fully understand my merit source size. I lowered my average by quite a bit. Worse yet I won't learn what my merit source size is since it just was adjusted. As you can see not a single merit sent since Oct 18th Sent in the last 120 days Code: October 18, 2019, 09:06:35 AM: 2 to AlecMe for Re: Canaan Announces 11 Series My new merit info says this: You are a merit source. The next 136 merit you spend will come from your source rather than your sMerit balance. Merit spent from your source will come back in 30 days. Unused source merit is wasted. It is not allowed for merit sources to sell their merit. So I will be passing some out asap. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more/less source merit, @theymos. Post by: LoyceV on November 14, 2019, 06:54:03 PM Worse yet I won't learn what my merit source size is since it just was adjusted. When your source is adjusted, it gets reset to the full amount. So whatever you have now is your total monthly source amount.That also means anything you use now won't be replenished for 30 days, so it's wise to "evenly spread out" your source in the coming days. After that, you'll receive regular replenishments. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more/less source merit, @theymos. Post by: suchmoon on November 14, 2019, 06:54:36 PM The forum doesn't need inactive sources. I hope he appoints some new ones. There are quite a few worthy pending applications and you know those users will be active senders, at least for a while. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more/less source merit, @theymos. Post by: Deathwing on November 14, 2019, 06:56:32 PM The forum doesn't need inactive sources. I hope he appoints some new ones. There are quite a few worthy pending applications and you know those users will be active senders, at least for a while. In my opinion, merit sources shouldn't really be chosen by looking at applications. Stats usually speak for themselves. No one check https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sources (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sources) ? There are 90 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 18821 sMerit per 30 days Looks like there are less merit sources and generated sMerit now If that 90 merit sources are going to do enough work and spend those sMerits regularly, that's probably better than having 150 in total with a lot of sMerit leftover. To be honest, probably better this way. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more/less source merit, @theymos. Post by: OgNasty on November 14, 2019, 06:59:15 PM So I will be passing some out asap. Let the merit rain. https://hypepotamus.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/photo-4175280-e1446748404855.jpg Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more/less source merit, @theymos. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on November 14, 2019, 07:25:50 PM As I read here, you guys got an increase of the source merit, is that correct? Shall I lock this topic then if the problem is resolved?
Edited:fixed some typos :) Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more/less source merit, @theymos. Post by: Daniel91 on November 14, 2019, 07:45:31 PM As I read here, you guys got an increase of the source merit, is that correct? Shall I lock this topic then if the problem is resolved? Edited:fixed some typos :) I can confirm that I also received increase of the source merit so everything is fine now. Thank you theymos. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more/less source merit, @theymos. Post by: marlboroza on November 14, 2019, 07:48:28 PM As I read here, you guys got an increase of the source merit, is that correct? Shall I lock this topic then if the problem is resolved? Yep. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more/less source merit, @theymos. Post by: Vispilio on November 14, 2019, 07:56:23 PM As I read here, you guys got an increase of the source merit, is that correct? Shall I lock this topic then if the problem is resolved? Edited:fixed some typos :) yes, it was a much needed general adjustment concerning most merit sources. Without disclosing the pm, most sources got either an increase or decrease depending on their past merit activity... Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more/less source merit, @theymos. Post by: theymos on November 14, 2019, 07:56:45 PM When your source is adjusted, it gets reset to the full amount. So whatever you have now is your total monthly source amount. Right, I should've mentioned that in the PM. After you received my PM but before you sent any merit, the source amount displayed was your total allocation. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more/less source merit, @theymos. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on November 14, 2019, 08:14:00 PM Good to hear. Another successful change for the forum. Many sources were removed, were there any who were selling merit or just inactive ones?
@ theymos, Let me know if you need new merit sources :) Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more/less source merit, @theymos. Post by: suchmoon on November 14, 2019, 08:24:16 PM Good to hear. Another successful change for the forum. Many sources were removed, were there any who were selling merit or just inactive ones? @ theymos, Let me know if you need new merit sources :) Inactive ones. And new ones have been added: Quote There are 90 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 18821 sMerit per 30 days Quote There are 98 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 21671 sMerit per 30 days Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more/less source merit, @theymos. Post by: logfiles on November 14, 2019, 08:37:26 PM I can confirm that I also received increase of the source merit so everything is fine now. This is some good news :)Thank you theymos. Merit sources (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sources): I followed the link and saw different figuresQuote There are 90 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 18821 sMerit per 30 days Quote There are 98 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 21671 sMerit per 30 days Does this mean that 8 new merit sources were added recently? Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more/less source merit, @theymos. Post by: suchmoon on November 14, 2019, 08:44:23 PM Does this mean that 8 new merit sources were added recently? Exactly my point, yes. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more/less source merit, @theymos. Post by: malevolent on November 14, 2019, 08:58:36 PM Nice. I'll be able to properly look through the art contest thread now/tomorrow and reward more of the worthy submissions. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more/less source merit, @theymos. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on November 14, 2019, 09:03:11 PM Thank you all for the information, then I'm locking this thread as it won't be of service anymore.
If you guys end up with the same problem again I will report it for you :) Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round! Post by: TheBeardedBaby on February 19, 2020, 12:10:28 PM Bumping this again, the tread is unlocked now.
The original OP was archived (see the new OP for a link) and we have a new round of requests for increasing of the allocated monthly smerit for the merit sources. If anyone is not happy with the smerit hie has and want to end up on the list, please post a comment here and I will include you. This apply also for source who cannot spend their monthly allocated sMerit and they want them reduced. (hopefully the leftovers will be spread between the other Merit sources. The ball is back to theymos. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. Done! Thank you theymos. Post by: o_e_l_e_o on February 19, 2020, 12:17:26 PM As much as I could use a higher allocation, I think I'd like to see more merit sources before I see an increase in allocation for existing merit sources. You know, decentralization and all that jazz :P
I haven't seen that many new applications in the last few months, though. Were any new sources appointed back in November when theymos adjusted the allocations? Also, make iasenko a source already! Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. Done! Thank you theymos. Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on February 19, 2020, 12:50:18 PM I could do with more source allowance too, I always use mine up. I don’t know iasenko personally but I’ve noticed him around the forum & he seems really active & a good poster, I definitely echo oeleo in saying that he should be a merit source, for sure.
Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. Done! Thank you theymos. Post by: Last of the V8s on February 19, 2020, 12:53:05 PM Oh I thought you were just really being mean or had gone off me or soemthing #nohomo
Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. Done! Thank you theymos. Post by: cabalism13 on February 19, 2020, 01:13:42 PM Also, make iasenko a source already! I've got a good feeling 'bout this...If he will be a Sauce then the Vixen will try to lure him into the Foxhole just like what they did to you, end up being on cycle 😂 Foxpup... I know you're there, what's up and what can you say 'bout another guy on the Foxhole? Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. Done! Thank you theymos. Post by: Foxpup on February 19, 2020, 01:29:54 PM I've got a good feeling 'bout this... Sorry, but for obvious reasons the foxhole doesn't admit anyone under the age of 18; that phoney beard's not fooling anyone. :)If he will be a Sauce then the Vixen will try to lure him into the Foxhole just like what they did to you, end up being on cycle 😂 Foxpup... I know you're there, what's up and what can you say 'bout another guy on the Foxhole? Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. Done! Thank you theymos. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on February 19, 2020, 01:55:21 PM I've got a good feeling 'bout this... Sorry, but for obvious reasons the foxhole doesn't admit anyone under the age of 18; that phoney beard's not fooling anyone. :)If he will be a Sauce then the Vixen will try to lure him into the Foxhole just like what they did to you, end up being on cycle 😂 Foxpup... I know you're there, what's up and what can you say 'bout another guy on the Foxhole? Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. Done! Thank you theymos. Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on February 19, 2020, 02:02:53 PM Oh I thought you were just really being mean or had gone off me or soemthing #nohomo No babe, waiting to replenish. Blew my load too early. #nohomo Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. Done! Thank you theymos. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on February 19, 2020, 02:27:22 PM OP updated and LFC_Bitcoin added to the list :)
Anyone else? Also out of merits, so I could do with a bigger allocation. Wasn't sure if I was going to use them after an increase and after the art contest has ended but I've 0 merits left to award worthy posts with right now. Added as well :) Total number of applications I am frequently out of both source merit and personal merit, and I receive lots of merit so I am always spending more than my normal allocation. I tend to spend small amounts of merit per post I merit. One more added :)Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. Done! Thank you theymos. Post by: malevolent on February 19, 2020, 02:29:14 PM Also out of merits, so I could do with a bigger allocation. Wasn't sure if I was going to use them after an increase and after the art contest has ended but I've 0 merits left to award worthy posts with right now.
Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. Done! Thank you theymos. Post by: Foxpup on February 19, 2020, 02:45:13 PM Anyway someone mentioned some time ago a 55-gallon drum of WD-40, well this is interesting for sure, if it's still available let me know :) Two have already been (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4661300.msg42343866#msg42343866) claimed (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4661300.msg50495547#msg50495547), but there's plenty more to go around; I get a bulk rate on lubricants, after all. ;)Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. Done! Thank you theymos. Post by: Quickseller on February 19, 2020, 02:50:53 PM I am frequently out of both source merit and personal merit, and I receive lots of merit so I am always spending more than my normal allocation. I tend to spend small amounts of merit per post I merit.
Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. Done! Thank you theymos. Post by: cabalism13 on February 20, 2020, 02:46:10 PM I do have a feeling that the other current Sources will be removed ( Reason: Inactive ) Actually there are 90+ of us Different Sauces with different number of tastebuds, but only a few of us are being loud IMO.
Also it would be better if the Mods/Staff aren't counted on that 90+ Sauces. Also correct me if I'm wrong... Am not good at Merit Maths so I've been imagining things such as this. If User A is a Source with 1000sMerits and distribute it to 500 users then those users will be able to produce 500 sMerits... and User A will be left 0 and wait for the next month. During the time of nothingness, the 500 users tried to distrihute their sMerits: 500 Users with 1 sMerits each... Is it just my imagination that sMerits are being burnt slowly? Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. Done! Thank you theymos. Post by: Daniel91 on February 21, 2020, 06:55:57 AM I do have a feeling that the other current Sources will be removed ( Reason: Inactive ) Actually there are 90+ of us Different Sauces with different number of tastebuds, but only a few of us are being loud IMO. Also it would be better if the Mods/Staff aren't counted on that 90+ Sauces. Also correct me if I'm wrong... Am not good at Merit Maths so I've been imagining things such as this. If User A is a Source with 1000sMerits and distribute it to 500 users then those users will be able to produce 500 sMerits... and User A will be left 0 and wait for the next month. During the time of nothingness, the 500 users tried to distrihute their sMerits: 500 Users with 1 sMerits each... Is it just my imagination that sMerits are being burnt slowly? If user A with 1000 sMerits distribute 500 sMerits to only 500 users than this merit source still have 500 sMerits left 😁 If he distribute 1000 sMerits to 500 users than in average everybody receive 2 sMerits and have 1 sMerits to distribute further 😀 Of course, if they are good posters, they will not depend only on one merit source and will receive more sMerits for their good quality posts. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: The Cryptovator on February 21, 2020, 08:01:41 AM Its seems I need more smerit, need to increase allocation. Merits ending before end of month. I have ZERO smerit now (source merits & earned smerit). Sometimes missing good post due to refill duration. It's quite hard to bookmarked or remember during busy time.
Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. Done! Thank you theymos. Post by: o_e_l_e_o on February 21, 2020, 08:51:28 AM Is it just my imagination that sMerits are being burnt slowly? Taken to its extreme, every merit that is sent can generate a theoretical maximum of 1 sMerit.If I send 1000 merits, 500 sMerits are generated. If those 500 merits are sent, 250 sMerits are generated. If those 250 merits are sent, 125 sMerits are generated. If those 125 merits are sent, 62.5 sMerits are generated (the 0.5 sMerit is only realized when the user in question receives another 1 merit (and therefore 0.5 sMerit) to round it up to 1 sMerit). And so on. Add 500 to 250 to 125 to 62.5 to 31.25 to 15.625 and so on, and eventually you will become infinitely close to 1000. Because of this, if I send 1000 merits, then they could generate 1000 more, meaning 2000 in total would have been sent. Currently, the only way merits are "lost" is when people don't send them on or accounts holding them become inactive or banned. In addition to that, there is a maximum of 21671 sMerits being created every month and given to merit sources, which as above, could result in a maximum of 43342 merits entering the system. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: El duderino_ on February 21, 2020, 09:16:01 AM I could use a similar merit allowance increase as last time
:D :D :D I think then I will be good Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on February 21, 2020, 10:14:29 AM The OP was updated today.
Again If anyone wants to be on that list, just leave a comment. Edit: ETFbitcoin added to the list :) Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. Done! Thank you theymos. Post by: cabalism13 on February 21, 2020, 10:32:08 AM Add 500 to 250 to 125 to 62.5 to 31.25 to 15.625 and so on,... Well in my silly imagination without adding up those numbers and just look into it individually it seems it is burning.Sorry for the confusion it really BrokeMyLife ✌😂 Well yeah, is I had 1000 Merits it could also Generate close to 1000 but the thing is if it is distributed then it is slowly getting burned up ? Just an example of a cycle: Me a Sauce have 100sMerits: I gave 10 users 10Merits each which would give them 5 sMerits (generates 50) Then those 10 users single picked 5 persons to give their sMerits which will end up 2.5 sMerits for each of them. After that they pick again 2 users for that and generate 1. And there goes. Until that 1 sMerit has been sent, End of cycle,... Nothing can be distributed again unless I spend another 100. What I mean here is the cycle of Merits. Even if its distributed evenly the cycle will stop unless the 30day of span will make it to us. Or other sauces will try to give another round for another cycle. It's more likely those merit source prefer PM ✌😂 Mate it gives me DoubleMeaning 😂😂😂Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: DdmrDdmr on February 21, 2020, 11:32:23 AM <…> That’s kind of how it’s intended to go, and that’s the reason behind Merit Sources being able to pump more into the network. I’m pretty sure that the number of total aggregate awarded merits are monitored to some extent, and the current values are within what someone considers to be enough.If there were no merit-to-sMerit halving of value, we’d see a bunch of pip-pong matches of a single merit being sent back and forth between two or more profiles. We could debate though whether instead of generating 1 sMerit for every 2 earned Merits, we could be of a different ratio (i.e. 1:2 -> 2:3). That could make the propagation tree go another node down or so. Changing the ratio is not the same as incrementing the merit allowances for merit sources necessarily. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on February 28, 2020, 09:22:15 AM ~ Maybe I should add also anonymous applications for those who need more smerit but don't want to reveal their accounts ( not that it really matters anymore with all those merit stats), just for a overview how many are in need.It's more likely those merit source prefer PM If anyone else want to be includes anonymously, just sent me a PM :) Edit> OP updated with Royse777's application. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on February 28, 2020, 10:56:08 AM @Ratimov, no matter if there will be a better allocation of the already distributed merit or increase of the total source merit in general, this is up to theymos decide, but those who to exhaust their smerit before those 30 days, and still find worthful posts should get some increase.
I guess theymos should first evaluate each applicant here for the quality of the posts they usually sent merit to and then decide for each case if it really requires increase. OP is updated. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: vapourminer on March 01, 2020, 10:50:58 AM so now im here too, requesting an increase.
turns out even trying to limit to 1 merit a post there have been so many good, informative, pertinent posts i have started running out again. i try to spread the merits over that 30 day to the second shelf life thing but i sometimes have extend time away (well days) from the forum and that messes things up a bit. i may be sporadic in where i read but i try to also read around the forums sections in general as much as i can rather than concentrate in one particular spot. that of course again varies with time. but my aim is always to be near out of merit. collectibles these arent. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on March 01, 2020, 11:40:53 AM so now im here too, requesting an increase. That is good, I will add you to the list as well, tomorrow.turns out even trying to limit to 1 merit a post there have been so many good, informative, pertinent posts i have started running out again. i try to spread the merits over that 30 day to the second shelf life thing but i sometimes have extend time away (well days) from the forum and that messes things up a bit. i may be sporadic in where i read but i try to also read around the forums sections in general as much as i can rather than concentrate in one particular spot. that of course again varies with time. but my aim is always to be near out of merit. collectibles these arent. My phone is with a broken screen now and it's really difficult to edit and write posts. It will be like this for a while. Sorry if there are many typos in my posts. Updated. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: hugeblack on March 02, 2020, 07:19:53 PM I am here again, in fact, I am getting enough Merits per month "at a rate of 1 sMerit for posts with good content and 2 for 4 sMerits for posts with high content" but I decided to be generous (2 to 6 sMerits) and give more which made me run out faster.
If there is an adjustment, please add me, otherwise I am happy with the current situation. ~3XX/ Month. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: fillippone on March 02, 2020, 08:20:00 PM Merit allowance is always scarce.
I tend to regulate my meriting habits according to my MS sMerit allowance + personal sMerit stash, in order to deplete smoothly over 30 days. So I am rarely bumbing into 0 merits to send, but it has happened a few times in the past. I was able to save the very good posts for later, but I might have skipped a few good ones. More sMerits is better, but I trust theymos: if you want to inrease my MS source allowance, I'm ready and willing to! If themyos walked down the road of any "AI controlled rebalancing algorithm", I'm also ok with that. Just I don't want me not posting into this thread being interpreted as I weren't interested in having my MS sMerits allowance increased! Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: gmaxwell on March 02, 2020, 10:23:59 PM I would expect all merit sources to get adjusted again in May: Last adjustment was in November and used the prior six months of data.
Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: fillippone on March 02, 2020, 11:03:14 PM I would expect all merit sources to get adjusted again in May: Last adjustment was in November and used the prior six months of data. This is what I understood reading between the lines of last message by Theymos. But I think also some "manual adjustment" is still possible, that's why I am posting here. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on March 20, 2020, 08:23:16 AM I would expect all merit sources to get adjusted again in May: Last adjustment was in November and used the prior six months of data. Sounds fair to me, this explians why it took some months to get the MS application approved of one of the best sources out there - LoyceV. Anyway, hope this thread will save theymos some time. :) OP updated! Bump! Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: cabalism13 on March 24, 2020, 07:52:18 PM Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on April 14, 2020, 12:42:54 PM This thread is not dead, it's just waiting for the right time to remind theymos of the change we/you want. According to gmaxwell that should happen around May so we have some time.
bumpity bump bump Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: fillippone on April 14, 2020, 01:06:55 PM This thread is not dead, it's just waiting for the right time to remind theymos of the change we/you want. According to gmaxwell that should happen around May so we have some time. Am I wrong or the supposedly revision of merit allowance (6 month from last reallocation) is going to overlap with halving? Interesting times ahead!bumpity bump bump Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: JayJuanGee on April 14, 2020, 05:13:43 PM This thread is not dead, it's just waiting for the right time to remind theymos of the change we/you want. According to gmaxwell that should happen around May so we have some time. Am I wrong or the supposedly revision of merit allowance (6 month from last reallocation) is going to overlap with halving? Interesting times ahead!bumpity bump bump If any of you recall, last time we had disclosures of more than a merit doubling for many merit sources that was in mid-November, at least that was disclosed by some smerit sources... nearly a tripling for several sources. At the same time some smerit sources got cut in the fail to use and therefore lose kind of outcome. Even though I would hate to go against any strongly held gmaxwell predictions, especially if I were to be playing against some of gmaxwell's strong suits, I am going to proclaim that theymos has not specifically committed to 6 months in the case of smerits, he has merely proclaimed that he will look at smerits from time to time, as far as I recall. Anyhow, seems difficult to wager upon theymos specifics, and even if he will tweak the smerit allocations in any kind of clockwork way because I don't recall that theymos had really stated that level of specifics with any actual words, so gmaxwell had been applying an algorithm to theymos, and maybe theymos is actually a computer program, and gmaxwell knows about that (cats out of the bag - you heard it here first)? Remember with the default trust, theymos said something like he would adjust default trust list of 100 DT1s at "about" the beginning of each month, but I don't recall coming across anything even close to that level of specifics from theymos in regards to any 6 months/merit tweakenings even if such past practice of 6 months is identifiable. TLDR: Personally, based on information outlined above, I am assigning 56.5/43.5 odds, at best, in favor of smerit tweakenings within 10 days of the halvening. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: fillippone on April 14, 2020, 05:18:53 PM This thread is not dead, it's just waiting for the right time to remind theymos of the change we/you want. According to gmaxwell that should happen around May so we have some time. Am I wrong or the supposedly revision of merit allowance (6 month from last reallocation) is going to overlap with halving? Interesting times ahead!bumpity bump bump If any of you recall, last time we had disclosures of more than a merit doubling for many merit sources that was in mid-November, at least that was disclosed by some smerit sources... nearly a tripling for several sources. At the same time some smerit sources got cut in the fail to use and therefore lose kind of outcome. Even though I would hate to go against any strongly held gmaxwell predictions, especially if I were to be playing against some of gmaxwell's strong suits, I am going to proclaim that theymos has not specifically committed to 6 months in the case of smerits, he has merely proclaimed that he will look at smerits from time to time, as far as I recall. Anyhow, seems difficult to wager upon theymos specifics, and even if he will tweak the smerit allocations in any kind of clockwork way because I don't recall that theymos had really stated that level of specifics with any actual words, so gmaxwell had been applying an algorithm to theymos, and maybe theymos is actually a computer program, and gmaxwell knows about that (cats out of the bag - you heard it here first)? Remember with the default trust, theymos said something like he would adjust default trust list of 100 DT1s at "about" the beginning of each month, but I don't recall coming across anything even close to that level of specifics from theymos in regards to any 6 months/merit tweakenings even if such past practice of 6 months is identifiable. TLDR: I am assigning 56.5/43.5 odds, at best, in favor of smerit tweakenings within 10 days of the halvening. The 6 months prediction came out of the length of the averaging window used by Theymos last time. So yes, he did mentioned back in November that new merit allowance is based on the average on the past 6 months total spent sMerits. So yes, he didn't mention explicitly another rebalance in exactly 6 months. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: JayJuanGee on April 14, 2020, 06:01:17 PM This thread is not dead, it's just waiting for the right time to remind theymos of the change we/you want. According to gmaxwell that should happen around May so we have some time. Am I wrong or the supposedly revision of merit allowance (6 month from last reallocation) is going to overlap with halving? Interesting times ahead!bumpity bump bump If any of you recall, last time we had disclosures of more than a merit doubling for many merit sources that was in mid-November, at least that was disclosed by some smerit sources... nearly a tripling for several sources. At the same time some smerit sources got cut in the fail to use and therefore lose kind of outcome. Even though I would hate to go against any strongly held gmaxwell predictions, especially if I were to be playing against some of gmaxwell's strong suits, I am going to proclaim that theymos has not specifically committed to 6 months in the case of smerits, he has merely proclaimed that he will look at smerits from time to time, as far as I recall. Anyhow, seems difficult to wager upon theymos specifics, and even if he will tweak the smerit allocations in any kind of clockwork way because I don't recall that theymos had really stated that level of specifics with any actual words, so gmaxwell had been applying an algorithm to theymos, and maybe theymos is actually a computer program, and gmaxwell knows about that (cats out of the bag - you heard it here first)? Remember with the default trust, theymos said something like he would adjust default trust list of 100 DT1s at "about" the beginning of each month, but I don't recall coming across anything even close to that level of specifics from theymos in regards to any 6 months/merit tweakenings even if such past practice of 6 months is identifiable. TLDR: I am assigning 56.5/43.5 odds, at best, in favor of smerit tweakenings within 10 days of the halvening. The 6 months prediction came out of the length of the averaging window used by Theymos last time. So yes, he did mentioned back in November that new merit allowance is based on the average on the past 6 months total spent sMerits. So yes, he didn't mention explicitly another rebalance in exactly 6 months. Just now, I did a quickie look at theymos's posts around mid-November, and I do not see anything about "rebalancing in 6 months," but I did see in the PM that he sent to many merit source members that he had based the smerit adjustment on the past 6 months of usage. Absent more or better evidence, I have to stick with my above asserted and assigned percentages, and yeah, I am not saying that I am correct in my assignment of probability. I am just saying that is the assignment of probability that I currently have given based on the evidence that I have (and whatever logic I can muster), which maybe I am low balling the odds too much in a kind of waffling way. I will concede that I frequently get things wrong, especially when attempting to predict the behavior of other peeps (presuming, perhaps erroneously, that theymos is a peep). By the way, below is a copy of what I believe to have been the somewhat form message PM that theymos had sent on November 14, 2019 to most merit sources, just to attempt to refresh recollections regarding the relevant text (and context). link=action=profile;u=35 date=[edited out] Quote from: theymos (This PM is being sent to most merit sources.) I automatically adjusted all merit-source allocations. The average amount of merit you sent per month (including both source merit and personal sMerit) in the last 6 months was computed, and your new source allocation was set equal to 175% of this amount. However, if this would've caused you to have a source merit of less than 10, then you were removed as a merit source. Thanks! Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on April 14, 2020, 06:07:19 PM By the way, below is a copy of what I believe to have been the somewhat form message PM that theymos had sent on November 14, 2019 to most merit sources, just to attempt to refresh recollections regarding the relevant text (and context). link=action=profile;u=35 date=[edited out] Quote from: theymos (This PM is being sent to most merit sources.) I automatically adjusted all merit-source allocations. The average amount of merit you sent per month (including both source merit and personal sMerit) in the last 6 months was computed, and your new source allocation was set equal to 175% of this amount. However, if this would've caused you to have a source merit of less than 10, then you were removed as a merit source. Thanks! This is very interesting information, i thought that theymos is doing all the adjustments manually, but of course why not automate something if you can. Thanks for sharing this, now we wait until 19 of May... and for My MS application as well Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: JayJuanGee on April 14, 2020, 06:28:33 PM By the way, below is a copy of what I believe to have been the somewhat form message PM that theymos had sent on November 14, 2019 to most merit sources, just to attempt to refresh recollections regarding the relevant text (and context). link=action=profile;u=35 date=[edited out] Quote from: theymos (This PM is being sent to most merit sources.) I automatically adjusted all merit-source allocations. The average amount of merit you sent per month (including both source merit and personal sMerit) in the last 6 months was computed, and your new source allocation was set equal to 175% of this amount. However, if this would've caused you to have a source merit of less than 10, then you were removed as a merit source. Thanks! This is very interesting information, i thought that theymos is doing all the adjustments manually, but of course why not automate something if you can. Thanks for sharing this, now we wait until 19 of May... and for My MS application as well I gather that in his November 14 PM, theymos is merely saying that he manually ran a perhaps one-time script that automated the process of adjusting the smerits for then sources within the guidelines that he ascribed to such script, and surely he could tweak the script that he had created and use that script again if he manually deems running such script (or adjusted script) again would be a good thing to do. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: fillippone on April 14, 2020, 06:38:05 PM By the way, below is a copy of what I believe to have been the somewhat form message PM that theymos had sent on November 14, 2019 to most merit sources, just to attempt to refresh recollections regarding the relevant text (and context). link=action=profile;u=35 date=[edited out] Quote from: theymos (This PM is being sent to most merit sources.) I automatically adjusted all merit-source allocations. The average amount of merit you sent per month (including both source merit and personal sMerit) in the last 6 months was computed, and your new source allocation was set equal to 175% of this amount. However, if this would've caused you to have a source merit of less than 10, then you were removed as a merit source. Thanks! This is very interesting information, i thought that theymos is doing all the adjustments manually, but of course why not automate something if you can. Thanks for sharing this, now we wait until 19 of May... and for My MS application as well I gather that in his November 14 PM, theymos is merely saying that he manually ran a perhaps one-time script that automated the process of adjusting the smerits for then sources within the guidelines that he ascribed to such script, and surely he could tweak the script that he had created and use that script again if he manually deems running such script (or adjusted script) again would be a good thing to do. This is basically what I meant in my previous message. And If I know the peep (presuming, perhaps erroneously, that Theymos is a peep), running a script has the double advantage (in Theymos eyes) of a very low effort task and abiding his will to an emotionless script, something he likes (given the scripts used allo over the forum, the DT1 selection script, already mentioned as an example). https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/16/blob6ebbe61c7f4e4cc1.jpeg EDIT: One given, one sent. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: JayJuanGee on April 14, 2020, 07:10:41 PM By the way, below is a copy of what I believe to have been the somewhat form message PM that theymos had sent on November 14, 2019 to most merit sources, just to attempt to refresh recollections regarding the relevant text (and context). link=action=profile;u=35 date=[edited out] Quote from: theymos (This PM is being sent to most merit sources.) I automatically adjusted all merit-source allocations. The average amount of merit you sent per month (including both source merit and personal sMerit) in the last 6 months was computed, and your new source allocation was set equal to 175% of this amount. However, if this would've caused you to have a source merit of less than 10, then you were removed as a merit source. Thanks! This is very interesting information, i thought that theymos is doing all the adjustments manually, but of course why not automate something if you can. Thanks for sharing this, now we wait until 19 of May... and for My MS application as well I gather that in his November 14 PM, theymos is merely saying that he manually ran a perhaps one-time script that automated the process of adjusting the smerits for then sources within the guidelines that he ascribed to such script, and surely he could tweak the script that he had created and use that script again if he manually deems running such script (or adjusted script) again would be a good thing to do. This is basically what I meant in my previous message. And If I know the peep (presuming, perhaps erroneously, that Theymos is a peep), running a script has the double advantage (in Theymos eyes) of a very low effort task and abiding his will to an emotionless script, something he likes (given the scripts used allo over the forum, the DT1 selection script, already mentioned as an example). https://i.imgur.com/GGSgJ4d.jpg EDIT: One given, one sent. Just to be clear, I did not send any smerit to expect any in return. I did send the smerit largely based on our batting around this idea of speculating when or if theymos will tweak smerit allocations, and even though it seems to me that you are assigning a higher likelihood of tweakenings than me, I think that it was helpful for our back and forth discussion of the topic in terms of clarifying what evidence we are relying upon to reach our conclusions. Actually, in my first post, I thought that there had been some kind of text from theymos or evidence regarding theymos's expressed intentions in this direction that I may have been missing in terms of his having had said that he was going to smerit tweak within a given timeline, so in some ways, maybe I am patting myself on the back and sticking to my already assigned probability estimations, even if I might end up being wrong... but sure, I am slightly (as you can see) leaning towards his tweaking within 10 days of the halvening.... but currently, my assigned odds of smerit allocation tweakenings are not really skewed with any large degree of confidence, exactly. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: fillippone on April 14, 2020, 07:17:16 PM Let me dream about the big day: halvening AND tweaking all the same day. One day of mayhem in Economics and Meta.
Just fast forward my Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: JayJuanGee on April 14, 2020, 07:28:26 PM Let me dream about the big day: halvening AND tweaking all the same day. One day of mayhem in Economics and Meta. Just fast forward my Yeah... fuck ongoing quarantine, even though it seems to be something that is going to take a while to resolve...... country by country and even state by state in the event that some countries cannot figure out the extent to which they need a nation-wide effort (maybe even an international effort, even though people really fear too much international coordinations including distrust issues about which leaders are going to end up fucking things up more than others) and let's just hope that theymos does not get any ideas to coordinate his smerit allocation tweakenings with releases from quarantine.. that would be a "tragic" outcome. By the way, I would speculate that his November 2019 tweakenings have caused a higher percentage of smerit sources who actually are engaged in spreading out their smerits as compared to some earlier smerit sources who seemed to have not really believed in spreading out their source smerits. Sometimes it can be a bit of work to spend some of the smerits and even to come across some members who really deserve some smerits, but some of us might not easily run across some of their posts in our regular meanderings around forum threads. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: gmaxwell on April 15, 2020, 11:04:50 AM Indeed, I don't know that he'll run it again in May. But when 6 months from the last run comes up I'm going to nag him to do it. :P I got seriously gimped in the last update because I'd been inactive for a while. :)
Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: fillippone on April 15, 2020, 11:26:58 AM Indeed, I don't knowthat he'll run it again in May. But when 6 months from the last run comes up I'm going to nag him to do it. :P I got seriously gimped in the last update because I'd been inactive on Bitcointalk.org for a while. :) FTFY Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on May 04, 2020, 07:45:42 AM Indeed, I don't know that he'll run it again in May. But when 6 months from the last run comes up I'm going to nag him to do it. :P I got seriously gimped in the last update because I'd been inactive for a while. :) We are coming close to May so hopefully we get some movement before the halving or at least the summer. Anyway bumping this as a reminder to theymos. I'm out of smerit again, I'm not that active lately, mostly reading so respectively my received merit didn't change much. It's May, summer is coming, hopefully a good news as well :) Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: El duderino_ on May 12, 2020, 07:35:55 AM Maybe we can have another merit + .... could be suitable....
I think we can use some more. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on May 12, 2020, 07:48:27 AM Indeed, I don't know that he'll run it again in May. But when 6 months from the last run comes up I'm going to nag him to do it. :P I got seriously gimped in the last update because I'd been inactive for a while. :) Soon it's middle of May :( I'm again on 0 and I'm not a merti source yet... ;( Maybe we can have another merit + .... could be suitable.... I think we can use some more. I think too... let's hope.. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: Nellayar on May 12, 2020, 12:29:39 PM Soon it's middle of May :( I'm again on 0 and I'm not a merti source yet... ;( "scroll, scroll, scroll" And I ask myself, do this man sleep? Hehe. Thank you for keeping up giving a merit for quality poster, useful threads and even to the ordinary user who has an ability to improve their writings. You are one of my favourite user also here after fillippone, nullius and the pharmacist. Ops, I don't want to promote users. I just want to share my thoughts. I know soon, your merit application will be granted. Just be positive in life and stay negative in covid. LoL Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on May 12, 2020, 01:08:23 PM ~ Just be positive in life and stay negative in covid. LoL Thanks man, I just took my Covid-19 test ..I'm good see below :) https://i.imgur.com/26FSrsm.jpg Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on May 13, 2020, 11:52:34 AM I’m always out, I could definitely do with an increase. Fingers crossed hey :)
Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: El duderino_ on May 13, 2020, 12:14:14 PM I’m always out, I could definitely do with an increase. Fingers crossed hey :) #metoo... would be handy ! Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: fillippone on May 13, 2020, 05:06:55 PM I’m always out, I could definitely do with an increase. Fingers crossed hey :) #metoo... would be handy ! Dry Again! https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/16/blob4d475bb85b5339c5.png Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on May 13, 2020, 05:32:38 PM Tomorrow is exactly 6 months since the last merit adjustment.
Did everybody get a PM from theymos today? I don't think we will be that exact this time but we are coming closer to that adjustments date. Waiting... Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on May 14, 2020, 07:58:07 AM ~ It is not the first time I read that once in six months (or a year) there is a recount of the number of merits at the source by a certain formula. But someone writes that it happens once a year, and someone writes that once in six months. I still don't get completely. :-\ Where did you got that reference from? The 6 months one I got from > Indeed, I don't know that he'll run it again in May. But when 6 months from the last run comes up I'm going to nag him to do it. :P I got seriously gimped in the last update because I'd been inactive for a while. :) BTW today is exaclty 6 months ... :) Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: gmaxwell on May 16, 2020, 02:36:21 PM Indeed, I don't know that he'll run it again in May. But when 6 months from the last run comes up I'm going to nag him to do it. :P I got seriously gimped in the last update because I'd been inactive for a while. :) BTW today is exaclty 6 months ... :) I nagged back on the 4th, 10 days ahead of the 6 month intervals. Theymos indicated that he would be updating it again, but also indicated he'd be doing it differently than last time. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on May 16, 2020, 03:30:10 PM Indeed, I don't know that he'll run it again in May. But when 6 months from the last run comes up I'm going to nag him to do it. :P I got seriously gimped in the last update because I'd been inactive for a while. :) BTW today is exaclty 6 months ... :) I nagged back on the 4th, 10 days ahead of the 6 month intervals. Theymos indicated that he would be updating it again, but also indicated he'd be doing it differently than last time. That's a good news, thanks :) we've waited so long, a few more days won't be a problem. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: wolwoo on May 16, 2020, 07:53:03 PM I think I got you wrong
you are sweet but you have no difference from the gang http://loyce.club/trust/2020-05-16_Sat_05.03h/1003533.html returned. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: AB de Royse777 on May 16, 2020, 08:45:12 PM I am so much in need these days to that I had to PM theymos and since then still waiting for the captain to approve my request :-D
Good luck everyone. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on May 16, 2020, 10:50:12 PM Please add me to this list. Updated :) I think I got you wrong you are sweet but you have no difference from the gang http://loyce.club/trust/2020-05-16_Sat_05.03h/1003533.html returned. I have nothing against you, i just don't trust your judgment, adding everyone to the trust list is making the thrust lists useless. The trust system can have some small issues, but no system is perfect for everyone after all and i do admire the way theymos came up with the idea. I do not follow or participate in any gang except for the SpamBusters. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: El duderino_ on May 18, 2020, 08:14:23 AM https://i.ibb.co/Bt6w8WN/A7770-E39-FBB0-48-DB-9849-F2-DC1-C12-D4-FF.png (https://ibb.co/1LXbHy6)
0 + 0 = 0 An increase would be useful :) Thx in advance Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: marlboroza on May 21, 2020, 06:47:29 PM Thanks!
I am not very active lately(mostly reading) but I log in to send merits and post some crap and 2 days ago I didn't have any to send (merit I mean, not crap) :( I had several bookmarked posts but it sucks when merit source is not able to send merits and has to wait... I will also send PM to another merit source in our local board to see how is he doing with merits and perhaps invite him to this topic. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: Daniel91 on May 21, 2020, 07:14:43 PM Thanks! I am not very active lately(mostly reading) but I log in to send merits and post some crap and 2 days ago I didn't have any to send (merit I mean, not crap) :( I had several bookmarked posts but it sucks when merit source is not able to send merits and has to wait... I will also send PM to another merit source in our local board to see how is he doing with merits and perhaps invite him to this topic. oK, you can add me to this list as well ;D ;D In fact, I have a very limited number of merits available and I try to be as frugal as possible, so they don’t go too fast for me ;D ;D I mostly share merits in the Croatian section, where local members can report their quality posts and ask merits, and I also share merits in the English part of the forum, if something remains :D Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on May 21, 2020, 09:57:01 PM Updated as promised :) Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: El duderino_ on June 03, 2020, 03:46:00 PM Merit increase bump
Would be handy Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: Vispilio on June 03, 2020, 04:00:47 PM I'm also almost always out, and the Turkish local very recently lost a big merit source,
so a sMerit increase can be great, I would like to be included in this list. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: JayJuanGee on June 03, 2020, 04:29:34 PM Indeed, I don't know that he'll run it again in May. But when 6 months from the last run comes up I'm going to nag him to do it. :P I got seriously gimped in the last update because I'd been inactive for a while. :) BTW today is exaclty 6 months ... :) I nagged back on the 4th, 10 days ahead of the 6 month intervals. Theymos indicated that he would be updating it again, but also indicated he'd be doing it differently than last time. Yes... nice to hear your direct report, Greg.... I am sure that Theymos likes to have a bit of flexibility, but I have observed that he does seem to be a bit of a stickler regarding some timeline things, too... maybe he keeps track if he had said that he was going to do something and in those circumstances, he tries to meet the timeline that he announced, which is fair enough. Surely, some previous merit sources got reduced in their source the last time around, so for sure, theymos had seemed to had made a pretty large reallocation and even quite generous with the amount of increase that he had provided to those who were regularly using their merit sources, which was nearly a doubling in the amount in a lot of circumstances for those who had been regularly using their smerit sources, and I also noticed a few members who received really large initial smerit allocations when they had been initially assigned as sources. Perhaps theymos was conducting a little experiment on us, in terms of trying to observe what would happen in such increased source smerit allocation circumstances? I will admit for me, I had to largely get used to doubling the amount of smerits that I had been sending out, which took a bit of time to get used to, even though I did have some advantage of my own past practices of already attempting to exhaust my previous allocation amounts as they came in (or were replenished). Sure, it will be interesting to see what kind of formula that theymos comes up with in any coming announced update, and based on your finding out that he will "be updating it again," maybe we can speculate that to be a kind of soontm proclamation, which is not always within two weekstm, even though we happen to be in a subset of bitcoinlandia. Maybe speculating that such source smerit adjustment might come at any moment could end up including another few more months of wait time for theymos to contemplate and maybe collect data regarding the matter, but of course, I would not be surprise to have a change sprung upon us at any moment. Brace self!!! https://www.lovethispic.com/uploaded_images/292203-Brace-Yourselves-Christmas-Is-Coming.png Ps: By the way, I recall one of the earlier times that theymos had readjusted the smerit source allocations (at least mine was then reallocated), and I had gotten 12smerits removed from my smerit source allocation, because I had not used those smerits before the change went into effect (surely a surprise for me, and probably others too), and those 12 unused source smerits had been replaced by an increased smerit allocation that pretty much started the month of smerit source balance over with a new smerit source balance. On that day (or maybe the next day), I sent a pm to theymos and wrote paraphrasing: "what's up like that with my loss of 12 smerits in my source?" He responded: paraphrasing: "you snooze, you lose" hahahahaha.... Surely, my smerit source allocation was not detrimentally impacted by the rebalancing and the loss of those 12 smerit in the source because the new allotment of smerits in my source had been increased in terms of the monthly smerit source amount. Nonetheless, I do understand when a change of the smerit source amount goes into effect, the rebalancing might wipe out some of the previous balance of smerits in your smerit source bank. So there is that angle, too. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: malevolent on June 04, 2020, 08:49:35 PM My wild guess: source merit allocation will take into account the amount of users a given source merit has merited in the last ~6 months, and perhaps it will also take into account the variety of boards of the merited posts.
Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: DdmrDdmr on June 05, 2020, 06:10:20 PM <..> You just reminded me of a PM I wrote back in October (to a peer forum member): Quote <…> It’s not really my thing, but the algorithm could take into consideration: Complicates things a bit, and you need to determine the weights that you give to each possible combined variable, but playing around with some idea of broadness may be interesting.- % of sMerits sent over allowance - % of days left with 0 (or up to say 2 sMerits) - Average merit per TX - Number of people merited - Number of people merited for the first time by the source - Number of people merited for the first time by the source (and never merited before by anyone) And draw up a quota redistribution formula based on those variables + time factor.<…> Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: El duderino_ on June 08, 2020, 08:05:11 AM An xxx% increase something like last time would be good for me :D
Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on June 08, 2020, 09:52:05 AM An xxx% increase something like last time would be good for me :D Bumping it seems like no help here. I'm out of smeirt for quite some time now, maybe a week, well i'm not a source yet and I'm mostly reading the last weeks but again sometimes I see something worth meriting and it's so easy to just to click and send instead of bookmarking the post and remembering to check it later or bother other people to do it, I even started "begging" and ask people to merit posts from me :P Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: Danydee on June 10, 2020, 01:16:10 PM I am not merit source and I would not apply to become "that".
I just want a little pack of sMerits, 50 or 100, (in the reality I'm near 0) and I get frustrated sometimes to not be able to merit some posts that deserves. So can you include me on the list, so who know, I get my little pack of sMerits ;D Code: [url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=139084]Danydee[/url] - Special request for a pack of sMerits ;D Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on June 10, 2020, 01:31:23 PM I am not merit source and I would not apply to become "that". I just want a little pack of sMerits, 50 or 100, (in the reality I'm near 0) and I get frustrated sometimes to not be able to merit some posts that deserves. So can you include me on the list, so who know, I get my little pack of sMerits ;D Code: [url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=139084]Danydee[/url] - Special request for a pack of sMerits ;D I'm not sure if theymos will do such a thing, but if you think a post deserves merit you can list it here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5093271.0 The last days when I was so dry, I had a Meirt source with some extra merit on a speed dial, thank to him those who deserved to get merit, got it. I just want to thank this guy who helped me, I'll keep his name in private :) @El duderino_ thanks for the injection :) Looks like we should start rioting to get our boss's attention o_0 /jk Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: El duderino_ on June 11, 2020, 06:34:42 AM Np... you send merit where it’s needed
Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on July 10, 2020, 09:20:08 AM Indeed, I don't know that he'll run it again in May. But when 6 months from the last run comes up I'm going to nag him to do it. :P I got seriously gimped in the last update because I'd been inactive for a while. :) Any news from the that front, gmaxwell? OK it's Monday, I'm trying a new tactics to get attention. Hope that one will work. https://community.klipsch.com/uploads/monthly_06_2014/post-36163-0-88380000-1401826376.jpg I think it's about time to have an ultimatum here. Either we get accepted as merit sources/increase the source merit allocation or I start posting my nudies every week here until that happens. (or I get banned :D) Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: El duderino_ on August 25, 2020, 08:30:27 AM El Bumperino
Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: fillippone on August 25, 2020, 09:07:09 AM Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: Last of the V8s on August 25, 2020, 09:37:24 AM probably a good idea to make some decent posts then ;D Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: fillippone on August 25, 2020, 09:43:54 AM probably a good idea to make some decent posts then ;D Thinking about of embracing the UBMI : "Universal Basic Merit Income". We had a merit QE (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5202603.msg53118637#msg53118637), why not merit MMT? /sarcasm EDIT: edited my message for sake of clarity, as this joke was getting out of control. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: Last of the V8s on August 25, 2020, 10:10:49 AM Don't know anything about Communism. Just that I don't like it. Prefer meritocracy.
Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: vapourminer on August 25, 2020, 10:41:36 AM probably a good idea to make some decent posts then ;D Thinking about of embracing the UBMI : "Universal Basic Merit Income". We had a merit QE (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5202603.msg53118637#msg53118637), why not merit MMT? merit printer go brrrrrr? edit: /s... just in case Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on August 25, 2020, 12:13:31 PM probably a good idea to make some decent posts then ;D Thinking about of embracing the UBMI : "Universal Basic Merit Income". We had a merit QE (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5202603.msg53118637#msg53118637), why not merit MMT? merit printer go brrrrrr? I don't think theymos will like the idea.. you guys are just reducing your chances like that... I almost give up on waiting to be a merit source, it clear now that it will happen when we migrate to the new software, and I get the theymos idea, I'll be a pensioner and I'll have more free time to read and send merit... Edit: I know it was a joke, I was joking too. ⬇ Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: fillippone on August 25, 2020, 12:17:36 PM <....> I don't think theymos will like the idea.. you guys are just reducing your chances like that... <...> Edited my previous message to clearly state it was meant to be a joke. Once again fell for the Poe's Law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law) of Internet communication. Working hard on my posts to get my additional dose of sMerits, as usual. EDIT: ↑https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/16/blob0fca67cc687e559a.png Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on September 02, 2020, 01:43:18 PM Bump Septembrrrrrrrr (https://melmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/moneyprinter_memes.jpg)
If they can do it, we can do it tooo. Source of the image (https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/money-printer-go-brrr-memes-economy) Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: El duderino_ on September 11, 2020, 11:06:25 AM Indeed time to gain some more source-merit please thanks
Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: hugeblack on September 27, 2020, 12:18:31 PM UP, I started using my earned Merits after my source Merits end. :)
We need some increase, or at least the distribution of sMerits that other merit sources do not use (either because they are inactive or they have not sent all of their sMerits.) :D Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: erikoy on September 29, 2020, 12:05:16 AM UP, I started using my earned Merits after my source Merits end. :) Other users after receiving few merits are not utilizing it or giving to others for no certain reason. It was their privilege anyways but if merit source asking for some merits then I doubt that the merit ciculation is not healthy at all. However, if only merits were being utilized and has been decayed then pretty sure admin can get an exact expectation of merits circulation for users will not be hoarding it anymore and higher chance to send it to others or to their alt accounts.We need some increase, or at least the distribution of sMerits that other merit sources do not use (either because they are inactive or they have not sent all of their sMerits.) :D Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on October 09, 2020, 01:56:21 PM How are you guys ( addressing the merit sources here) with the sMerit, still need some increase?
Bumping it just in case ;) Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: fillippone on October 09, 2020, 03:22:12 PM Interestingly, in November there will be a recalculation? The last one seemed to be in the middle of November 2019. If believe the information from other merit sources , it seems that just a year there is a correction of the merit bank at the merit sources. Unless, of course, this year theymos will not decide to do something differently. I wouldn’t hold my breath for this.It could happen of course, but I recall back in may there was some excitement for the 6th month-versary of the reshuffle. But anything happened. I personally like some kind of “algorithmic” adjustment for merit source, in order to avoid merits getting sent to inactive sources, or sources that are, for whatever reason, not able to fully distribute their allowances. But I have even more faith in @theymos, and I guess he had more than a thought about such a system, so I am more than satisfied with his decision on this system not getting implemented for the moment. Of course I am in for a merit topping of my monthly allowance. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on October 25, 2020, 11:28:44 PM I have to make a list of those inactive Merit Sources so hopefully not only the allocated source merit will need to be increased but also the number of merit sources as well.
I always thought that Lauda was a source but seems not to be the case. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5277161.msg55449869#msg55449869) Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: DdmrDdmr on October 26, 2020, 07:59:11 AM I’ve taken the list of potential Merit Sources (*) from @Coin-1’s thread Topic: [TOP-200] The most generous users giving merits] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4523027.0) (those marked in bold), and placed them together on a same chart here:
https://public.tableau.com/shared/W8KMSXRSB?:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link Fine, it’s not easy to see much when all the entries are clustered, but if you click on a name from the left (or select a few), you can see their merit awarding chart: - The flatter it gets, the less sMerits they are awarding. - Hover over the chart line to see values and dates tied to the datapoints. - Hover over to the datapoint furthest to the right to detect the date of last sMerit awarded. - Data as of 23/10/2020. - Names on list (left) sorted by the total number of awarded sMerits You can delimit the char to a few selections. For example, these are the charts for @chimk and @Alex_Sr: https://public.tableau.com/shared/DY53JF6PX?:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link (*) There are 102 entries, so some of them are false positives (i.e. received airdropped sMerits, and currently have awarded more sMerits than theoretically generated from those received). Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on October 26, 2020, 12:59:37 PM I’ve taken the list of potential Merit Sources (*) from @Coin-1’s thread Topic: [TOP-200] The most generous users giving merits] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4523027.0) (those marked in bold), and placed them together on a same chart here: https://public.tableau.com/shared/W8KMSXRSB?:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link Fine, it’s not easy to see much when all the entries are clustered, but if you click on a name from the left (or select a few), you can see their merit awarding chart: - The flatter it gets, the less sMerits they are awarding. - Hover over the chart line to see values and dates tied to the datapoints. - Hover over to the datapoint furthest to the right to detect the date of last sMerit awarded. - Data as of 23/10/2020. - Names on list (left) sorted by the total number of awarded sMerits You can delimit the char to a few selections. For example, these are the charts for @chimk and @Alex_Sr: https://public.tableau.com/shared/DY53JF6PX?:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link (*) There are 102 entries, so some of them are false positives (i.e. received airdropped sMerits, and currently have awarded more sMerits than theoretically generated from those received). Interesting overview, i thought of a bit different approach. Gather the top 1000 merit senders (https://bpip.org/Report?r=meritsent) and then filter out those who were not active in the 30 or more days. Since there's not a official list of merit sources the top senders will do OK. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on October 26, 2020, 08:51:21 PM Always looking for a source merit increase myself. I’m one of the most active posters here & ALWAYS get through my source allowance.
I never, ever hoard merit. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: aTriz on November 03, 2020, 07:49:07 AM I have ran out of smerits for a long time now. I would like to have some to giveaway for valuable posts I see around here and there .
Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: fillippone on November 09, 2020, 11:48:04 AM We are approaching one year since last Merit Source shake-up.
After the delusional six month anniversary, do you feel there is going to be some news in the coming weeks from some supposedly semi-automated algorhythm crafted by @theymos? Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on November 23, 2020, 04:53:06 PM I like the way you guys still have a hope. I don't think there will be any changes anytime soon. Even gmaxwell try to lobby for new merit adjustments back in May and nothing.
Just a bump. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: El duderino_ on January 05, 2021, 11:18:08 AM In need for more SOURCE-merit !!!!!
https://i.imgur.com/nRvRSZY.gif It's been very long time when we have had another increase of source merits... I think a bit after an ATH is the appropriate time to give us an increase as more and more people will enter the forum, also lots of older accounts are in need for a bit of help to rank up ... Thx in advance Sir Theymos cheers Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on January 05, 2021, 12:19:46 PM Looks like theymos thinks that the current merit source situation is fine. No new sources were added since I open my application exactly 1 year ago. Don't see any upcoming changes either. I wasn't that active the past couple of months but now I'm back and hoping to get an answer to the merit source question soon.
Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: JayJuanGee on January 05, 2021, 05:23:48 PM Looks like theymos thinks that the current merit source situation is fine. No new sources were added since I open my application exactly 1 year ago. Don't see any upcoming changes either. I wasn't that active the past couple of months but now I'm back and hoping to get an answer to the merit source question soon. I would think that sooner or later, theymos would feel some kind of need to make some adjustments, whether those adjustments would be of the kind and nature that some of us would prefer might be another story.. but still On the other hand, if he consideres the merit system to be working sufficiently well, as is, then why tweak a system that is already working.. Many of us likely agree with the thesis of adding more merit sources, but since I don't really know of any places in which theymos has posted about the topic in recent times, it is difficult guess with any kind of concreteness might be some of his current concerns, if any. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on January 05, 2021, 08:58:36 PM Looks like theymos thinks that the current merit source situation is fine. No new sources were added since I open my application exactly 1 year ago. Don't see any upcoming changes either. I wasn't that active the past couple of months but now I'm back and hoping to get an answer to the merit source question soon. I would think that sooner or later, theymos would feel some kind of need to make some adjustments, whether those adjustments would be of the kind and nature that some of us would prefer might be another story.. but still On the other hand, if he consideres the merit system to be working sufficiently well, as is, then why tweak a system that is already working.. Many of us likely agree with the thesis of adding more merit sources, but since I don't really know of any places in which theymos has posted about the topic in recent times, it is difficult guess with any kind of concreteness might be some of his current concerns, if any. Looking at the crypto markted and the alt season I thoght that there will be bigger interest for the forum and more new members will join, most of them will be for bounties and spam but somewhere in between there will be a good, valuable ones too. Looking back at 2017 I think we are seeing even greater times now so for sure more people will join for good or for bad (I hate scammers). Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: JayJuanGee on January 05, 2021, 09:04:18 PM Looks like theymos thinks that the current merit source situation is fine. No new sources were added since I open my application exactly 1 year ago. Don't see any upcoming changes either. I wasn't that active the past couple of months but now I'm back and hoping to get an answer to the merit source question soon. I would think that sooner or later, theymos would feel some kind of need to make some adjustments, whether those adjustments would be of the kind and nature that some of us would prefer might be another story.. but still On the other hand, if he consideres the merit system to be working sufficiently well, as is, then why tweak a system that is already working.. Many of us likely agree with the thesis of adding more merit sources, but since I don't really know of any places in which theymos has posted about the topic in recent times, it is difficult guess with any kind of concreteness might be some of his current concerns, if any. Looking at the crypto markted and the alt season I thoght that there will be bigger interest for the forum and more new members will join, most of them will be for bounties and spam but somewhere in between there will be a good, valuable ones too. Looking back at 2017 I think we are seeing even greater times now so for sure more people will join for good or for bad (I hate scammers). You might be correct with kind of similar premise that the dude is asserting (in his above post) in that more forum membership may well justify more merit sources - and sure, sounds pretty solid.. but is it enough to motivate theymos in terms of whatever he is considering the be warranted in terms of adjustments to the current merit source situation and how it is currently playing out. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: fillippone on January 05, 2021, 10:25:04 PM Looking at the crypto markted and the alt season I thoght that there will be bigger interest for the forum and more new members will join, most of them will be for bounties and spam but somewhere in between there will be a good, valuable ones too. Looking back at 2017 I think we are seeing even greater times now so for sure more people will join for good or for bad (I hate scammers). I have made this statement many times analysing the monthly statistics for the Italian board: I thought a rise in price would have lead to more interest on the forum. Well, I think there is a gap between the forum, as a tool, the "newbies" in the Bitcoin sphere, who probably, mainly for age-related habits, prefer to use other media like youtube or Telegram chat to source their information on Bitcoin. I tried several times to post links pointing towards the forum on such Telegram chats, or even Twitter, but the answers I got were quite disappointing as everybody liked more the continuous chatter of the Telegram rather than the more insightful views the forum can give. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: El duderino_ on January 06, 2021, 08:19:03 AM Looks like theymos thinks that the current merit source situation is fine. No new sources were added since I open my application exactly 1 year ago. Don't see any upcoming changes either. I wasn't that active the past couple of months but now I'm back and hoping to get an answer to the merit source question soon. I would think that sooner or later, theymos would feel some kind of need to make some adjustments, whether those adjustments would be of the kind and nature that some of us would prefer might be another story.. but still On the other hand, if he consideres the merit system to be working sufficiently well, as is, then why tweak a system that is already working.. Many of us likely agree with the thesis of adding more merit sources, but since I don't really know of any places in which theymos has posted about the topic in recent times, it is difficult guess with any kind of concreteness might be some of his current concerns, if any. New sources could be good... Just like sources who have been active the whole time and emptying there bags every month should get some more if they are asking for it, certainly after a year.... We doing some good work, helping members to rank up, rewarding good content etc @theymos, it should be a good time for an increase ... Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: cabalism13 on January 07, 2021, 04:49:59 PM Looks like theymos thinks that the current merit source situation is fine... You could drop me on the list, as I was finally able to manage my source.Don't know about the others, as I have notice something awful in the past few months, others might have noticed it already and still I won't say who... And lastly, IMO the baby can be a better replacement for that. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on January 07, 2021, 11:52:51 PM ^ OK, I will add you to the list tomorrow.
I wasn't very active the past few months but now I'm back in full power so being a source will be a good think. I do have some sources on a speed dial but I'm tired bothering others... I've been in the top 25 merit receivers for quite some time and even during those few months I was away I didn't drop down from my position, so I can say I know how to earn/spread merit. I've sent over 1000 already. I want to resurect my local section too. Stay safe ppl. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on January 22, 2021, 01:30:57 AM Don't know about the others, as I have notice something awful in the past few months, others might have noticed it already and still I won't say who... I'm absolutely confused as to what you're referring to--but I'm damn curious.Anyway, I need more source sMerits. They were getting replenished very quickly for a while, and then it just kind of stopped. Fortunately I have plenty of personal sMerits which I'll probably have to tap into within the next week or so if I don't get a top-up from Theymos. I'm a-still tryin' to be a good merit source, and I think I've gotten off to a good start this year and I'm going to try to do even better as far as distributing the merits far and wide (though I'm not lowering my standards). New sources could be good... I tend to agree with you, especially since I saw that there was a large number of merit sources who dropped out in the past 6 months to a year or so. Hopefully Theymos isn't having second thoughts about the merit system--you never know, because he doesn't give his thoughts on the matter all that often.Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: cabalism13 on January 22, 2021, 03:23:11 AM Don't know about the others, as I have notice something awful in the past few months, others might have noticed it already and still I won't say who... I'm absolutely confused as to what you're referring to--but I'm damn curious.And also with the number of Dropped out Sources I think theymos should be updating our list of Sauce. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on January 22, 2021, 12:12:04 PM I tend to agree with you, especially since I saw that there was a large number of merit sources who dropped out in the past 6 months to a year or so. Hopefully Theymos isn't having second thoughts about the merit system--you never know, because he doesn't give his thoughts on the matter all that often. So and there. But why, theymos in 2020 neither assigned new sources, nor made a correction of the bank of merits, as it was in 2019. Apparently, the current circulation of merits is working with an excess and it has not started to enter new sources and add additional merits. I don't know, I opened my Merit Source Application last January and it's been over a year no information at all. Gmaxwell mentioned that he will push theymos to add new sources and that was in may. Everyone thought that it will be a 6 months period for the adjustments but we were wrong. I decided that I'll bump my MS application only once a year. Until then I'll be giving away what I earn, like i'm doing all the time. When I empty the stash I just.. https://i.imgur.com/1mJh4k7.gif Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: GeorgeJohn on February 18, 2021, 07:50:08 AM I want to know about the merit source, is that each of the merit source have a specific board to merit who makes a quality post or the merit distributions will go all through the boards in forum, because the list I'm seeing if all are merit source that's indicates that they have board which they merit any user is communication or comments is tangible and meaningful. Asking for more merit source is quit alright but merit source should extend to the grassroots.
Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: JayJuanGee on February 18, 2021, 03:03:22 PM I want to know about the merit source, is that each of the merit source have a specific board to merit who makes a quality post or the merit distributions will go all through the boards in forum, because the list I'm seeing if all are merit source that's indicates that they have board which they merit any user is communication or comments is tangible and meaningful. Asking for more merit source is quit alright but merit source should extend to the grassroots. Who is a source and how many sources is up to theymos, and sources can be active in any board - though theymos may well select someone to either be a source or to increase their source smerits based on which parts of the forum that they have been historically active. It seems that theymos has not made any significant changes to the sources for a year and a half.. (around November 2019)?.. .. and so many members have suggested that merit sources should be more spread out and even theymos has made statements in that direction to say that he had intended to increase the number of merit sources, but has not really caused him to significantly increase the quantity of merit sources beyond one point having a peak of about 130 merit sources, but currently appears to be around 97 merit sources. Also, have not heard from theymos recently on the merit source(s) topic, so difficult to know if his current thinking is changing or if he is contemplating making any kind of meaningful or significant change in the near future, even if several members may be hoping for some kinds of changes to take place in lines of what you have just said either increasing the number of merits, increasing the number of sources or both. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: El duderino_ on April 30, 2021, 06:44:26 PM A new round of increase for Merits wanted. Needed. THX.
Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: fillippone on April 30, 2021, 09:05:02 PM A new round of increase for Merits wanted. Needed. THX. If I am not wrong we are approaching the 18th month-iversary of the last source reshuffle. Theymos hinted at some sort of merit allowance rebalancing, let's see what happens. 18 months is a long interval, and while I saw some merit source asking for more, I also been hinted at some fatigue by others. I am curious. P.s. Asking for more. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on May 07, 2021, 09:09:26 AM This just seems like a dead end for now. I gave up on applying for a Merit Source, it's no use and I have no free time lately. Seems like the merit correction will be at the same intervals as the bitcoin halving.
Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: LoyceV on May 07, 2021, 11:08:32 AM Merit's distribution fell by 38%. More than a third. I think this is one of the reasons why theymos do not introduce new merit for the forum. They are simply not needed. After all, we do not distribute existing ones either. Active Merit sources can't make up for inactive sources, so the inactive users should be replaced.Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on May 07, 2021, 03:55:45 PM This just seems like a dead end for now. I gave up on applying for a Merit Source, it's no use and I have no free time lately. Seems like the merit correction will be at the same intervals as the bitcoin halving. I haven't visited this thread since I replied here in January (and I should have, since I got a couple of replies to my post), but it does look like Theymos isn't tapping any new merit sources for now. I do wonder why that is and if he thinks that there's sufficient merits circulating for it to be less of a burden to rank up. On a related note, if you're reading this Theymos, I could use my source sMerits replenished a bit more quickly. I've been handing out a lot of merits as of late and have had to almost exhaust my earned sMerits in doing so. My plan is to continue the spree, though there are days when I do less reading and don't find anything worth meriting--but that's always been the case. Hopefully Theymos will grant my request, but if not it's not a huge deal. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: Quickseller on May 07, 2021, 06:33:16 PM Active Merit sources can't make up for inactive sources, so the inactive users should be replaced. For what? So that new merit sources to the same users throw their merit? The current sources have already raised the rates for evaluating posts, it is already rare that anyone throws 1 merit per post, at least 2, 4, or even more. What problems will new merit sources solve? None. It makes no sense to change inactive sources to active ones so that they just exist. As merit sources don’t spend their source sMerit, less new merit enters into the ecosystem. If all active merit sources spend all their merit, and the inactive sources don’t spend any, it would appear that source merit is not being spent when looking at the data, but there would be missing context. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: JayJuanGee on May 07, 2021, 07:34:18 PM Active Merit sources can't make up for inactive sources, so the inactive users should be replaced. For what? So that new merit sources to the same users throw their merit? The current sources have already raised the rates for evaluating posts, it is already rare that anyone throws 1 merit per post, at least 2, 4, or even more. What problems will new merit sources solve? None. It makes no sense to change inactive sources to active ones so that they just exist. Generally, my most recent practice has been to attempt to give 1 merit to almost anything that seems to have some contributory value even if I might not personally agree with the points being made - but then I do not generally attempt to go out of my way to look for posts to merit - except maybe every once in a while when I feel that I have enough extra time to explore around the forum a bit. By the way, maybe only about 1 out of a 100 of my sent merits are 2 merits or more, probably 1 out of 1,000 are 3 merits, which is the max that I ever have given to date.. hahahahahaha.. mine is a wee bit of a differing philosophy that might not be as suitable to other members who are deciding how many merits to send to any given post or member. This just seems like a dead end for now. I gave up on applying for a Merit Source, it's no use and I have no free time lately. Seems like the merit correction will be at the same intervals as the bitcoin halving. I haven't visited this thread since I replied here in January (and I should have, since I got a couple of replies to my post), but it does look like Theymos isn't tapping any new merit sources for now. I do wonder why that is and if he thinks that there's sufficient merits circulating for it to be less of a burden to rank up. On a related note, if you're reading this Theymos, I could use my source sMerits replenished a bit more quickly. I've been handing out a lot of merits as of late and have had to almost exhaust my earned sMerits in doing so. My plan is to continue the spree, though there are days when I do less reading and don't find anything worth meriting--but that's always been the case. Hopefully Theymos will grant my request, but if not it's not a huge deal. In essence, you are really asking theymos for an increase in the quantity of your source merits, Pharmacist. Even if theymos decides to tweak the merit system in a variety of ways, I really doubt that he is going to tweak the 30-day replenishment matter - which seems to work pretty decently and any of us should be able to figure out ways to manage that, but I do agree that there may be some of us who feel that we do not have enough source merits being issued because we are frequently running out (which seems to be the point that you are making about yourself, Pharmacist) - versus those merit source members who may well be not even using all of their source merits which causes those source merits to expire after not using them within 30 days of being issued.. I am merely speculating that there may well be those kinds of merit source members, too.. who are seeming to be quite inactive as you guys have already mentioned, but theymos likely is able to completely break those kinds of matters down because the quantity of merits that merit sources have is not public information, even if some have disclosed their levels and some of that information can be somewhat extrapolated through some of the threads on the topic, including the Coin-1 "generosity" thread. Sure, theymos has not really said anything on the topic either, as far as I know, so sometimes we might try to speculate what he is thinking based on his lack of saying anything or anything that he said or done that relates to the topic that might seem to be getting long in the tooth, at this point. I do like the idea of getting more active merit sources, but I don't even feel very qualified to know what might be some of the trade offs that are being considered, but if overall the number of merits that are being sent is going down and maybe even that some deserving posts, threads (or members) are not getting merits, then there may be some good contributions that are being missed, perhaps? perhaps? By the way, I can see why some source members might not be sending merits because sometimes it can take some time to read through some threads (or posts) and figure out if that post might seem to be adding some value whether objective or subjective impressions are used to determine if there might be any "value" there, but if some members might have more scattered use of the forum, they might not even feel comfortable enough to conclude value on a subjective level.. and sure I agree that there may also be some members who may well be considering way too high of standards before even squeaking out the sending of one smerit. I recall early in the merit system, one source member who had stated that he would ONLY send merits if blah blah blah was met, which sometimes might seem a bit extreme of considerations for a source to have such rigid standards, but still there has been a considerable amount of latitude that theymos has left with source members and may well result (even to this day) that source members end up being a wee bit too stingy in what they would like to see before they send an smerit to a post, thread or member. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: Findingnemo on May 07, 2021, 08:07:47 PM Active Merit sources can't make up for inactive sources, so the inactive users should be replaced. For what? So that new merit sources to the same users throw their merit? The current sources have already raised the rates for evaluating posts, it is already rare that anyone throws 1 merit per post, at least 2, 4, or even more. What problems will new merit sources solve? None. It makes no sense to change inactive sources to active ones so that they just exist. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: JayJuanGee on May 07, 2021, 08:25:14 PM Active Merit sources can't make up for inactive sources, so the inactive users should be replaced. For what? So that new merit sources to the same users throw their merit? The current sources have already raised the rates for evaluating posts, it is already rare that anyone throws 1 merit per post, at least 2, 4, or even more. What problems will new merit sources solve? None. It makes no sense to change inactive sources to active ones so that they just exist. Your first point about quality can be subjective or objective, so source members are going to come to very differing conclusions about those kinds of matters, and I doubt that theymos would have any problems with that and the standard does seem to be more concerned with either potential abuse or even being inactive.. but lots of latitude seems to be allowed in determining posts/members to merit. .. .so in other words, findingnemo, if theymos wants to consider your merit distribution philosophy, he may well either add you (or your type of a member) as a source or increase your smerits if you already are a source, to the extent that theymos even wants to do any incremental changes to what is already happening. I do agree with you that there does seem to be a number of merit sources who have decently (or would it be relatively) small source allocations, and of course, relative to a non merit source member, anything might seem like a lot, but relative to some other members, it may seem like a little.. 100 is actually not a bad quantity.. and even 50 or 60, which would still be 2 source merits per day.. so sure, it might be difficult to know or to hypothesize if tweaking a few members might be helpful or if theymos might be considering that if he does it, then he is going to do something BIGGER.. (so speculating again, regarding what theymos might be thinking in terms of tweaking, big changes or even total overhall - which would also be potentially scarie, until it were to actually happen and we know what we would be dealing with - under such a total overhall scenario, were it to occur). Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: Findingnemo on May 08, 2021, 05:58:51 AM Your first point about quality can be subjective or objective, so source members are going to come to very differing conclusions about those kinds of matters, and I doubt that theymos would have any problems with that and the standard does seem to be more concerned with either potential abuse or even being inactive.. but lots of latitude seems to be allowed in determining posts/members to merit. .. .so in other words, findingnemo, if theymos wants to consider your merit distribution philosophy, he may well either add you (or your type of a member) as a source or increase your smerits if you already are a source, to the extent that theymos even wants to do any incremental changes to what is already happening. Defining post quality is highly subjective and it only depends on the merit sources but what I am saying is merit sources should encourage the new users as well if they are making some contribution similar to what kind of encouragement is given to the established members but they should also be careful with the abusers which is real tasks.I do agree with you that there does seem to be a number of merit sources who have decently (or would it be relatively) small source allocations, and of course, relative to a non merit source member, anything might seem like a lot, but relative to some other members, it may seem like a little.. 100 is actually not a bad quantity.. and even 50 or 60, which would still be 2 source merits per day.. so sure, it might be difficult to know or to hypothesize if tweaking a few members might be helpful or if theymos might be considering that if he does it, then he is going to do something BIGGER.. (so speculating again, regarding what theymos might be thinking in terms of tweaking, big changes or even total overhall - which would also be potentially scarie, until it were to actually happen and we know what we would be dealing with - under such a total overhall scenario, were it to occur). I never thought about being a merit source and I am to far from being a one. :D I am kind of person who doesn't wants to create guides and useless stats which are kind of boring since these are same things are posted again and again in different formats from different users, since forum is actually meant for discussions so we also encourage discussions which contribute to the cryptos in someway with some merits (like you are doing in WO and to me in this thread). ;) Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: vapourminer on May 08, 2021, 10:55:18 AM The current sources have already raised the rates for evaluating posts, it is already rare that anyone throws 1 merit per post, at least 2, 4, or even more. Rare? I send 1 merit/post almost half of the time (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=359716 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=359716)), even though i focus on specific board/topic without being too generous. same here. 90+ percent of mine are 1 merit sends as i try to spread it out as much as possible. i think the most ive given out was 3 or 4 (rare, those) except for a couple fat finger sends. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: DdmrDdmr on May 08, 2021, 12:53:51 PM If anyone wants to take a look at their (or others) average sMerit sending habits, they can get a glimpse here:
Overall: https://public.tableau.com/profile/ddmrddmr#!/vizhome/BitcointalkMeritDashboard/PotentialMeritSources (https://public.tableau.com/profile/ddmrddmr#!/vizhome/BitcointalkMeritDashboard/PotentialMeritSources) Restricted to 2021: https://public.tableau.com/shared/848DMMFCG?:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link Specifically, the column “Avg. Merit TX” is the interesting one, although the complementary stdDevSentTx may be interesting to take a look at too (the higher this value is, the more variable the amount send in relation to the average). The list is not delimited to Merit Sources, but the top members on the list are bound to be. There are a bunch of people with an average in the 1s range, going all the way up to 5s (and beyond). For example, my average for the running 2021 is of 1,04, with a standard deviation of 0,2. So basically, I’m a regular (mean) 1 sMerit per Tx type of person. Additionally, the Sent TX summary (top right of the following screen) shows that I (Username is changeable) award 1 sMerit 89,92% of my sMerit TXs, 2sMerits 9,3%, and my max is that of 10 sMerits (0,04%): https://public.tableau.com/shared/QTY32FDHP?:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: LoyceV on May 09, 2021, 09:06:38 AM The real concern is merit source send same amount of merit for almost all posts, ignoring the quality or how useful is the post. That's not really a problem: If the post is very useful, it's likely to receive Merit from other users too.Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: Quickseller on May 11, 2021, 06:26:25 AM With @DdmrDdmr statistic, we can see there are some people who did same thing. But i problem with sending more merit per post. The real concern is merit source send same amount of merit for almost all posts, ignoring the quality or how useful is the post. As a merit source, I tend to give out a varying amount of merit, depending on a number of factors, including the amount of total sMerit I have to give out, and my mood, but also the effort put into the post, and the importance of the information in the post. Merit sources should do their best to keep their available source merit close to zero (ie spend all their source merit), and doing so is not always easy if they do not read a lot of good posts. This means they may need to send a lot of merit per post. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: SquirrelJulietGarden on May 11, 2021, 06:35:20 AM Merit sources should do their best to keep their available source merit close to zero (ie spend all their source merit), and doing so is not always easy if they do not read a lot of good posts. This means they may need to send a lot of merit per post. No punishment to merit sources if they don't use all sourced smerit so they should not force themselves to send sourced smerit more than a post deserves to get.1, 2 or any number can be sent to a good post but each source can bind with their rules. If their rules are. Good post: 1 merit Above good post: 2 merit Excellent post: 3 merit. They can bind with their rules. If is not fair if they send 1 merit to a good post usually but when their source is full, they send a good post 10 merit. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: Quickseller on May 11, 2021, 06:43:25 AM Merit sources should do their best to keep their available source merit close to zero (ie spend all their source merit), and doing so is not always easy if they do not read a lot of good posts. This means they may need to send a lot of merit per post. No punishment to merit sources if they don't use all sourced smerit so they should not force themselves to send sourced smerit more than a post deserves to get.Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: JayJuanGee on May 13, 2021, 05:13:33 AM This means they may need to send a lot of merit per post. Alternatively merit source could send more merit per post (including post which already merited) only for posts which considered better than most merited post. If is not fair if they send 1 merit to a good post usually but when their source is full, they send a good post 10 merit. Merit system has never been fair and each source is allowed to have their own rules/preference. I will kind of go along with your point that the merit system might not be the most fair system, but I doubt that creating additional requirements for merit sources would be very helpful. There seems to be a decent amount of subjectivity and even lack of imposition of requirements for merit sources which likely causes it to be kind of less centralized... even though sure, having the same merit sources for a long time, likely gravitates towards greater centralization, so what would be the solution to make it more fair? Have more merit sources or rotating merit sources, which is something that theymos could do.. perhaps? Sure there could be more clear guidelines for merit sources too, including that they spend their merits or lose their position or lose their allocation, and if there seems to be needs for tweaking and ongoing monitoring and tweaking of the system in order to attempt to make it more fair, then maybe theymos should appoint a merit system czar? Not sure if that would help, or if theymos's seeming choice to NOT change the system very often is more fair from his perspective, which seems that NOT making changes very often seems to be where he is at, at this time. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: El duderino_ on May 13, 2021, 06:59:03 PM The current sources have already raised the rates for evaluating posts, it is already rare that anyone throws 1 merit per post, at least 2, 4, or even more. Rare? I send 1 merit/post almost half of the time (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=359716 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=359716)), even though i focus on specific board/topic without being too generous. same here. 90+ percent of mine are 1 merit sends as i try to spread it out as much as possible. i think the most ive given out was 3 or 4 (rare, those) except for a couple fat finger sends. Only send 1 isn't bad but a bit of BS imo.... sorry... I like to send more as 1 so a rewarded person can resent some as well, its hard to write only merit'able' posts and so difficult to earn merits which can be resent by someone who isn't a source, good members still need some kind of motivation to rank up etc... Beside that, as sources we can detect a lot of good members which are more as capable of sending merits for good posts as well... so I don't mind giving 5-10 to some good senior, hero etc members so they can resent and rank up both... Also a lot of good Legendary posters whom fancy some merits as well but have difficulties with earning, so for members we know are good members, its not wrong for meriting them on there posts a bit more from time to time imho Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: vapourminer on May 13, 2021, 09:24:03 PM same here. 90+ percent of mine are 1 merit sends as i try to spread it out as much as possible. i think the most ive given out was 3 or 4 (rare, those) except for a couple fat finger sends. Only send 1 isn't bad but a bit of BS imo.... sorry... I like to send more as 1 so a rewarded person can resent some as well, its hard to write only merit'able' posts and so difficult to earn merits which can be resent by someone who isn't a source, good members still need some kind of motivation to rank up etc... Beside that, as sources we can detect a lot of good members which are more as capable of sending merits for good posts as well... so I don't mind giving 5-10 to some good senior, hero etc members so they can resent and rank up both... Also a lot of good Legendary posters whom fancy some merits as well but have difficulties with earning, so for members we know are good members, its not wrong for meriting them on there posts a bit more from time to time imho one merit per post may seem stingy but often times i wind up meriting the same person several posts in row in a thread, so it averages out to more per person i suppose.. as consistently good posters get more merits, its kinda follows, whether they get many merits in one post or one merit each for many posts.. i do try to give more to sub legendary all things being equal but legendaries also need merits so they can send them on too. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: El duderino_ on May 14, 2021, 11:29:42 PM same here. 90+ percent of mine are 1 merit sends as i try to spread it out as much as possible. i think the most ive given out was 3 or 4 (rare, those) except for a couple fat finger sends. Only send 1 isn't bad but a bit of BS imo.... sorry... I like to send more as 1 so a rewarded person can resent some as well, its hard to write only merit'able' posts and so difficult to earn merits which can be resent by someone who isn't a source, good members still need some kind of motivation to rank up etc... Beside that, as sources we can detect a lot of good members which are more as capable of sending merits for good posts as well... so I don't mind giving 5-10 to some good senior, hero etc members so they can resent and rank up both... Also a lot of good Legendary posters whom fancy some merits as well but have difficulties with earning, so for members we know are good members, its not wrong for meriting them on there posts a bit more from time to time imho one merit per post may seem stingy but often times i wind up meriting the same person several posts in row in a thread, so it averages out to more per person i suppose.. as consistently good posters get more merits, its kinda follows, whether they get many merits in one post or one merit each for many posts.. i do try to give more to sub legendary all things being equal but legendaries also need merits so they can send them on too. I reward sub sometimes harder as they are needing to rank up a bit, though I merit very active Legendaries as well with more merit, for the reasons they are the stones of the forum where we build on and they fancy some merits as well to send and reward other and new members.... Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on May 30, 2021, 08:16:26 PM Bumping this thread in the hope that Theymos will see it and see my plea for more source sMerits. I've posted in a few threads recently that I'm all out of earned ones and right now have only about 15 source sMerits--and I could easily give those away within a few minutes.
I've also made the offer to review post histories in a few threads for members who contact me via PM, and lately there have been several who've taken me up on it and have ended up with a bunch of merits. I'd like to keep that offer open, but I can only do so if I have enough sMerits to give out. Thanks in advance, Theymos. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: El duderino_ on June 09, 2021, 12:20:02 PM El Duderino, filling in a merit boost bill hoping the grand official Theymos will approve my request….
9 June, official request for more source merits Why, main reason is I’m a bit short in Smerits to do my merit job as how I’m pleased of doing it…. I’m not looking to other sources, we all have our own way of spreading them. I do like to rank up deserving members, I do like to give Legendary non-sources Smerits as well on good posts in order they feel them self rewarded and recognized in this forum where they have been posting for years and separated themselves from non-believers etc, as they like to get some Smerits as well to reward further new members etc, even on busy days as lately I always do find the time so exhaust my full sourc allowance as my seg earned merit, NON are not been used, all are always send…. I hope my bill gets past like it did in El Salvador and my bags getting a bit more Smerits Good work, should be rewarded -El Duderino. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on June 09, 2021, 12:26:29 PM Agree with El Duderino_ above.
I often find my sMerit (source allowance) empty. I like to cruise around the forum dropping sMerit on deserving posts. I could really do with an increase to my source allowance, it’d help a lot. Hope theymos reads these posts & increases our allowance any way. Thanks. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: philipma1957 on June 09, 2021, 12:46:01 PM I do not need a bump as I have been lazy in giving merits out.
I just gave 30 to the 3 above me which means they now have 15 to give away. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on June 09, 2021, 02:21:45 PM I do not need a bump as I have been lazy in giving merits out. I just gave 30 to the 3 above me which means they now have 15 to give away. Very generous phillip, greatly appreciated. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on June 09, 2021, 11:55:06 PM I just gave 30 to the 3 above me which means they now have 15 to give away. Jeez, philipma1957--you didn't have to give me any merits at all, but I appreciate it. My whole point in posting in this thread was to get Theymos's attention so that he might replenish my source sMerits a bit more rapidly. And I think it might have worked, though it seems like I never have more than about 30 sMerits at any given point. Still, if they get re-upped once I use them all up I'm fine with that. I just want to have enough so that I'm not completely out when I see a post worth meriting.Hope theymos reads these posts & increases our allowance any way. Me too, especially since I don't think Theymos intends to anoint any new merit sources for now. Last I checked there were quite a few applications that fell on deaf ears.Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: TheBeardedBaby on June 12, 2021, 12:52:53 PM Are there any changes in merit circulation in the last couple of months? I didn't see any new sources and few left/inactive.
Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: Lorence.xD on June 12, 2021, 02:22:42 PM Can anyone give sMerit besides theymos? i really want to give my sMerit to some of them because I don't have any use with it and I am not one to judge for a quality in a post.
Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: El duderino_ on June 14, 2021, 07:36:06 PM El Bumperino, this thread needs, deserves some hearing...
Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: Rikafip on June 15, 2021, 08:48:20 AM Are there any changes in merit circulation in the last couple of months? I didn't see any new sources and few left/inactive. Looking at last couple of months, there is change, but for the worse unfortunately. For example, since introduction of merit system, there were only four months during which merit shared across the forum was below 16,000 mark, and out of those four months, three were this year ( March, April and May). Another example to show generally negative trend; from October 2020 up until May 2021, amount of merit shared was constantly reducing, with each consecutive month having less amount of merit shared than the previous one. May barely stopped that trend, with 251 more merits hared than during April.So yeah, it might the time for theymos to revaluate current merit situation and hopefully either increase merit to current merit sources, or appoint news ones. Or maybe even both. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: Daniel91 on June 16, 2021, 06:21:22 PM Are there any changes in merit circulation in the last couple of months? I didn't see any new sources and few left/inactive. Looking at last couple of months, there is change, but for the worse unfortunately. For example, since introduction of merit system, there were only four months during which merit shared across the forum was below 16,000 mark, and out of those four months, three were this year ( March, April and May). Another example to show generally negative trend; from October 2020 up until May 2021, amount of merit shared was constantly reducing, with each consecutive month having less amount of merit shared than the previous one. May barely stopped that trend, with 251 more merits hared than during April.So yeah, it might the time for theymos to revaluate current merit situation and hopefully either increase merit to current merit sources, or appoint news ones. Or maybe even both. I would be really happy and grateful that theymos increase the number of merits available because I often have to make a selection of quality posts and choose which post to give merit for, given the limited number of merits I have available. It would be even better to increase the number of merit sources on this forum, so that more quality posts can be rewarded with merits. I hope theymos will accept our suggestions and respond to our requests soon. Until then, I will still have to be frugal with my merits ;D Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: JayJuanGee on June 16, 2021, 07:02:53 PM Are there any changes in merit circulation in the last couple of months? I didn't see any new sources and few left/inactive. Looking at last couple of months, there is change, but for the worse unfortunately. For example, since introduction of merit system, there were only four months during which merit shared across the forum was below 16,000 mark, and out of those four months, three were this year ( March, April and May). Another example to show generally negative trend; from October 2020 up until May 2021, amount of merit shared was constantly reducing, with each consecutive month having less amount of merit shared than the previous one. May barely stopped that trend, with 251 more merits hared than during April.So yeah, it might the time for theymos to revaluate current merit situation and hopefully either increase merit to current merit sources, or appoint news ones. Or maybe even both. I would be really happy and grateful that theymos increase the number of merits available because I often have to make a selection of quality posts and choose which post to give merit for, given the limited number of merits I have available. It would be even better to increase the number of merit sources on this forum, so that more quality posts can be rewarded with merits. I hope theymos will accept our suggestions and respond to our requests soon. Until then, I will still have to be frugal with my merits ;D I will admit that this whole matter is getting a bit confusing to me, and surely I am not in no kind of place to have enough information except there seems to be a kind of lessening of the number of merit sources who are actively attempting to send out smerits on a regular basis. I am not sure if there might be some additional eligible merit sources or if from time to time, theymos might substitute a new merit source by removing an inactive one. The number has been shown to be 97 for quite a period of time (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sources). We can also attempt to analyze if there might be some changes by looking at the top merit senders in the past 30 days (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsend)or we could also look at Coin-1's thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4523027.0) that attempts to create and maintain a more extensive list of both merit sources but also to see how many merits are getting dished out by certain members over time that he tends to update monthly. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on June 26, 2021, 02:07:10 PM I last posted in this thread on May 30th and have since used up all of my source sMerits and all of my earned ones as well. I'm fresh out, and I'd like to give worldofcoins a proper post history review as well as have enough sMerits on hand to distribute to anyone else who deserves them.
Theymos, if you're reading this could you please perhaps increase my sMerit allocation or speed up my replenishment rate? I would greatly appreciate it. I've got members taking me up on my long-standing offer of PM'ing me to request a post history review, and I usually find posts worth meriting when they do that--and that's used up a lot of my sMerit reserve. All of it, in fact. Thanks in advance, I hope. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: fillippone on July 02, 2021, 12:54:37 PM Theymos, if you're reading this I am really surprised by this period of merit sources allocation “inactivity” by Theymos. Reading between the lines of the PM he sent to MS in occasion of the last “reshuffle” I had the impression of a periodic revision of merit allowances. Apparently I was wrong, or at least this period is going to be longer than expected. Well, I know that if Theymos is satisfied with this, he well pondered every bit of information (that of course I don’t have…) Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: Jet Cash on July 02, 2021, 01:26:54 PM 😉 I gave you 50, that's the max for a 30 day period. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: redWAY on July 02, 2021, 04:38:49 PM Are there any changes in merit circulation in the last couple of months? I didn't see any new sources and few left/inactive. Looking at last couple of months, there is change, but for the worse unfortunately. For example, since introduction of merit system, there were only four months during which merit shared across the forum was below 16,000 mark, and out of those four months, three were this year ( March, April and May). Another example to show generally negative trend; from October 2020 up until May 2021, amount of merit shared was constantly reducing, with each consecutive month having less amount of merit shared than the previous one. May barely stopped that trend, with 251 more merits hared than during April.So yeah, it might the time for theymos to revaluate current merit situation and hopefully either increase merit to current merit sources, or appoint news ones. Or maybe even both. I don't understand why people are stingy. sharing makes you happy. I can understand if you don't find everything useful, but sometimes we are just deliberately ignored due to personal prejudices. sometimes it's the language you speak, sometimes even the username... Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: Rikafip on July 03, 2021, 06:36:18 AM I don't understand why people are stingy. sharing makes you happy. I can understand if you don't find everything useful, but sometimes we are just deliberately ignored due to personal prejudices. sometimes it's the language you speak, sometimes even the username... The main problem here is not merit sources being stingy (I believe that majority of them use their monthly allocation) but not having as enough merit to share as they would like. When you add on that the fact that some merit sources took break from the forum (which is again perfectly normal thing to do from time to time), you get current situation which is having less and less merit shared each consecutive month. Another thing that doesn't help is having less active members (therefore less quality posts) compared to let's say last year and that means more work for merit sources to find adequate posts to merit. I am really surprised by this period of merit sources allocation “inactivity” by Theymos. As expected, June was the new all time low, with only 13289 merits shared during that period, which is pretty big drop (~15%) compared to May with 15802 merits shared. So yeah, hopefully there will be some merit adjustment soon.Reading between the lines of the PM he sent to MS in occasion of the last “reshuffle” I had the impression of a periodic revision of merit allowances. Apparently I was wrong, or at least this period is going to be longer than expected. Well, I know that if Theymos is satisfied with this, he well pondered every bit of information (that of course I don’t have…) Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: UserU on July 03, 2021, 08:39:18 AM I don't understand why people are stingy. sharing makes you happy. I can understand if you don't find everything useful, but sometimes we are just deliberately ignored due to personal prejudices. sometimes it's the language you speak, sometimes even the username... I'd say more conservative than stingy. Merits are hard to come by for average members. Let's assume if someone has 50 Merits and has worked his/ way to reach that count, he/ she would have 25 sMerits. So you don't really expect that person to simply send them off to others. Just like monetary allowances. And like what Rikaflip mentioned, some Merit sources might be on some break/ vacation/ hiatus so there are lesser Merits going around. Not to mention that Merit isn't just as simple as an upvote because it helps members to rank up, and it's not a pretty sight seeing them wasted on those that have a not-so-good posting history or simply breaking the rules. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: DdmrDdmr on July 05, 2021, 05:44:27 PM Wishes have been granted. Merit Source allowance has been increased (a fair share in some cases, and the total toll is up to:
Quote There are 111 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 34139 sMerit per 30 days https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sourcesI’m going to have to change my awarding habits personally … Merit Sources has gone from 97 (@JayJuanGee logged it not long ago on this thread) to 111. How can you tell how many merit sources have dropped out? You can't know exactly, because there is no official list of Merit sources. But we know There are 97 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 21171 sMerit per 30 days (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sources).<...> Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on July 05, 2021, 06:28:48 PM As expected, June was the new all time low, with only 13289 merits shared during that period, which is pretty big drop (~15%) compared to May with 15802 merits shared. So yeah, hopefully there will be some merit adjustment soon. That sucks, but guess what? Theymos just airdropped me 1000 sMerits! I thanked him via PM, but I'd like to also thank him publicly as well. I appreciate it, and I'm going to do my best to perhaps make July a better month for merit distribution. One person can only do so much, but now I've got sMerits aplenty and plan on spreading them around.**My offer to the community (or at least to members below Legendary rank) still stands: Send me a PM if you want me to review your post history, and if I see any posts worth meriting, I'll happily merit them. I don't mind, and you don't have to approach me meekly, as a few members have done. Just ask me via PM for a post review and I'll do it.** Those sMerits from Theymos really made my day! Edit: Wishes have been granted. Merit Source allowance has been increased (a fair share in some cases, and the total toll is up to: Whoops, didn't read your post before making mine. I'm happy I'm not the only one who got more sMerits, and I hope merit sources give them out generously (without lowering their standards of course).Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: LeGaulois on July 05, 2021, 06:47:09 PM I didn't ask for it but I was offered a slot as a Merit source. Thanks, @Theymos
I agree to participate in the forum's life a little more. Why not? :) I don't plan to change my habits in the way I distribute. Perhaps I will add more Merits, or reward more users. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on July 05, 2021, 07:15:58 PM I didn't ask for it but I was offered a slot as a Merit source. Thanks, @Theymos Good for you, bro! I didn't ask to be a merit source either, but Theymos tapped me to be one in 2019 and didn't give me a choice in the matter (lol). Prior to that, I'd posted a few times that I wasn't sure I'd ever want to be one and never applied, but as it turned out I very much enjoy helping out members--especially lower-ranked ones--by giving them the merits they need to climb the ranks. Hell, I had it easy. All I had to do was rank up by posting and increasing my activity every two weeks. But we all know how hard it's been to rank up since Jan. 2018, and I feel good that I can do my part in distributing merits to members who make decent posts. Good luck, LeGaulois. Do your best to be a good merit source. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: o_e_l_e_o on July 05, 2021, 08:09:41 PM Wow, what a lot of sMerits I have to cycle!
I take this increase as theymos' tacit approval of the... *ahem* activities ;) of the merit cycling club. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on July 05, 2021, 10:05:32 PM Damn, massive source merit increase. I have a feeling it’ll be like a domino effect, we’ll see a lot more posts merited 2+
Even the lower ranked accounts will be getting more merit awarded. fillippone is going to be erect right now (just joking brother ;)) Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: fillippone on July 05, 2021, 10:37:13 PM Theymos, if you're reading this I am really surprised by this period of merit sources allocation “inactivity” by Theymos. Reading between the lines of the PM he sent to MS in occasion of the last “reshuffle” I had the impression of a periodic revision of merit allowances. Apparently I was wrong, or at least this period is going to be longer than expected. Well, I know that if Theymos is satisfied with this, he well pondered every bit of information (that of course I don’t have…) Timing is everything. Just a few days after this message, I had a 100% increase on my merit source allocation. Theymos has gone brrrrr! Dear Lord, this is going to be a huge effort to spend all this bag. But I will do my best. Just wondering who the new MS are. Wow, what a lot of sMerits I have to cycle! I take this increase as theymos' tacit approval of the... *ahem* activities ;) of the merit cycling club. Don't look at me, now I have all those merits to cycle and not even a merit cycling club to cycle my merits! Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: Welsh on July 05, 2021, 10:43:04 PM Damn, massive source merit increase. I have a feeling it’ll be like a domino effect, we’ll see a lot more posts merited 2+ Yeah, I believe this was always the plan, and hopefully now we will see more diversity, since people won't have to worry too much about their merit source allocation, at least not as much. Plus, some very good posts were only getting small amount of merits, which I believed should have got more, but due to trying to spread out the merit allocation, it was having a counter productive effect. I believe only the most active merit sources will be able to spend this increased amount per month, judging by their previous allocations, therefore we should see an increased amount given per post instead. Even the lower ranked accounts will be getting more merit awarded. fillippone is going to be erect right now (just joking brother ;)) Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: fillippone on July 05, 2021, 10:46:51 PM I believe only the most active merit sources will be able to spend this increased amount per month, judging by their previous allocations, therefore we should see an increased amount given per post instead. This is a proper challenge. I managed to find a rhythm to deplete my merit source allowance + earned smerits. Now I guess I will need to work more, as I can't see me just giving double the merits to the same posts just because theymos has doubled my merit bag. I know I have full discretionality in doing this, but I feel it a little bit like "cheating". Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: Quickseller on July 05, 2021, 11:44:07 PM I didn't receive any increase in my source sMerit allocation, and I almost always am out of or nearly out of sMerit to give away.
Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: Welsh on July 06, 2021, 12:07:01 AM This is a proper challenge. Hard to say. I think this would depend on the user. If you've had your merit allocation increased, but you wasn't depleting your merit allocation in the first place, this might be an indication that theymos would like to see more merit given per post or there may well have been a lot of merit sources depleting their merit source allocation, and therefore a increase was warranted. Its hard to say, without theymos stating so explicitly or gathering a data set of the merit sources themselves. I managed to find a rhythm to deplete my merit source allowance + earned smerits. Now I guess I will need to work more, as I can't see me just giving double the merits to the same posts just because theymos has doubled my merit bag. I know I have full discretionality in doing this, but I feel it a little bit like "cheating". I personally believe from my point of view, its not cheating, and I believe some posts absolutely do deserve more than the average amount they are given. There needs to be balance, it shouldn't be so incredibly difficult to rank up, that only the elite among the users do, and it shouldn't be as easy as it was prior to the merit system being implemented. I'll likely be rewarding very good posts with much higher amounts than I was before, while only increasing my allocation per post on average slightly. Gathering from the constant adjustments that theymos is making, I'm sure he would let us know if there was any issues with the amount of merit given per post. Besides, we all have different ideas of how much should be rewarded, and that's essential for a diverse allocation among users. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: Rikafip on July 06, 2021, 05:14:13 AM As expected, June was the new all time low, with only 13289 merits shared during that period, which is pretty big drop (~15%) compared to May with 15802 merits shared. So yeah, hopefully there will be some merit adjustment soon. That sucks, but guess what? Theymos just airdropped me 1000 sMerits! I thanked him via PM, but I'd like to also thank him publicly as well. I appreciate it, and I'm going to do my best to perhaps make July a better month for merit distribution. One person can only do so much, but now I've got sMerits aplenty and plan on spreading them around.Hopefully this ~60% monthly merit generation increase results with more quality posts and new members. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: tranthidung on July 06, 2021, 12:41:36 PM Congrats to you, all the other merit sources who got their monthly allocation increased, and those 14 new merit sources Changes are from 97 to 111 merit sources and 14 new merit sources is the assumption, from raw statistics we observe.It can be exactly 14 new sources or more than 14 if one or a few old merit sources were removed and replaced by new ones. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: JayJuanGee on July 06, 2021, 05:25:08 PM Congrats to you, all the other merit sources who got their monthly allocation increased, and those 14 new merit sources Changes are from 97 to 111 merit sources and 14 new merit sources is the assumption, from raw statistics we observe.It can be exactly 14 new sources or more than 14 if one or a few old merit sources were removed and replaced by new ones. I am going to make a humble estimation that there were probably more than 14 new merit sources - perhaps even double that number. So perhaps around 28 new merit sources.. perhaps? Perhaps? Fun to speculate sometimes - unless anyone can show a statement from theymos or some kinds of facts that undermine my speculative inferences. Go on. I challenge you (not referring to you specifically tranthidung, or any other specific member) to show some evidence or make some logical inferences that are more convincing than the ones that I am attempting (and not even claiming that mine are that great.. but I am giving it a shot (see below)). I am going to speculate that theymos removed any prior merit source who was not spending more than a certain quantity of their source merits per month (let's say less than 10 smerits per month or maybe less than 10% of their source merits on a regular basis.. whichever is causing theymos to conclude that the merit source is not sufficiently active in distributing smerits). I understand that many of us would like to conclude that theymos would have either removed merit sources who were abusing their ways of spending their smerit, or alternatively he could reduce their number of smerits per month or just keep it the same depending on what kinds of meaningful and reliable inferences that he could reach from looking at their smerit sending practices and any reports of abuse that he may have received over the years in respect to certain merit sources. Probably not always easy for him to conclude exactly whether some smerits might have been sent for either bad motives or just derelict of duties type reasons - even though a lot of discretion is left with merit sources regarding how to send smerits, how many to send and what might trigger sending versus not sending and how much of a duty any merit source might have to expand his/her going outside of his/her usual circles (threads).. Even though I have not seen any place that theymos has recently described his process, I would imagine from some of his previous disclosures in that direction, that he had at least taken the opportunity to perform at least some cursory overview of the past practices of each of the existing merit sources and any of the members that he had considered to add to smerit source status. Of course, the conclusions that he reached may have come out different from the conclusions that others had made, and sure after a few months of putting these new smerit allocations into practice, we may be able to see some kinds of patterns above and beyond the admissions of forum members regarding which members have been added as merit sources and which ones had been removed - and some of that data will be assisted by some of the group sourcing kind of work and analysis of some of our fellow data crunching forum members to help some of us more technologically-challenged (perhaps dumber? including yours truly) ones to figure out some of the merit source changes from yesterday that have been made to the merit source members. Another thing, since I have not seen any post in which theymos had announced and/or described the specifics of the changes to the smerit source matter, would be that theymos could perhaps have some follow up tweaks that he might want to make to the smerit source matter in the next month or two.. but you never know and we may well end up with whatever fairly significant changes that were made yesterday to get us by for the next year or two.. remember the significant changes to merit sources had gone around 20 months between changes from this one yesterday on July 7 since the most recent major and significant one that had taken place in around mid-November 2019. I cannot really disagree with any conclusion regarding "if it ain't broke, don't fix it," even if some members may have tweaked in some different ways to attempt to address issues that they perceive to be in need of fixing.. but they have evidence that may well be different from the evidence that theymos looks at (which I would speculate that member reports or even just being able to see which member sources are spending their smerits and also how many smerits they are spending on a monthly basis might be more accessible to theymos - even though some of us could look at some of that data too if we are able to perform some calculations or just look at the data produced by some of our data crunching forum members). Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: icopress on July 06, 2021, 06:40:35 PM I'll likely be rewarding very good posts with much higher amounts than I was before, while only increasing my allocation per post on average slightly [...] Besides, we all have different ideas of how much should be rewarded, and that's essential for a diverse allocation among users. Well noticed ... the increased allocation per post is really the best solution, the solution to which, as I see it, has long been resorted to by SM, Fill or Loyce. I also tend to think that merit sources shouldn't spend more energy evaluating posts than they did before, (due to their habits or capabilities). Either way, some m'sources forget that the gradual increase in the average merit per post will ultimately make their job easier, (since formally, 4 sent merit will be re-sent to two more users).I am leading to the fact that 100 people, even under favorable circumstances, cannot cover all quality posts, so all "different views" should be reduced only to the fact that on a regular basis there was the largest possible coverage area, (as already stated, an increase in average merit per post turns 111 m'sources into 194). Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: Halab on July 06, 2021, 07:00:08 PM I am going to make a humble estimation that there were probably more than 14 new merit sources - perhaps even double that number. So perhaps around 28 new merit sources.. perhaps? Perhaps? In a month or 2, you will know who is a new MS and who is no more MS. Patience. I'm not in Theymos head, but I understand this latest change as "You want sMerits ? Here are some sMerits!! Now stop bothering me with it for at least 2 years" :) Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: nutildah on July 06, 2021, 09:38:48 PM In a month or 2, you will know who is a new MS and who is no more MS. Patience. I'm not in Theymos head, but I understand this latest change as "You want sMerits ? Here are some sMerits!! Now stop bothering me with it for at least 2 years" :) Hah... I never thought about it like that but it makes a lot of sense. I was like WTF am I supposed to do with this. But then I answered my own question and opened back up my Merit Scholarship thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5338649). I gotta tell you though, our founder, Mr. Lebowski, is considerably hard to please these days. In any case, thanks theymos And I noticed a quirk, keep getting this message: Quote An Error Has Occurred! You can only send 50 merit to a given user per 30 days. You have already sent 50 merit to that user. even though its been more than 30 days for some users... hmm. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on July 07, 2021, 12:36:53 AM I'm not in Theymos head, but I understand this latest change as "You want sMerits ? Here are some sMerits!! Now stop bothering me with it for at least 2 years" :) Shoot, that's fine by me as long as I got me some fresh sMerits to distribute as I see fit--which I did. The airdrop of 1000 of them was a nice surprise, even if Theymos hasn't said a word.I am going to make a humble estimation that there were probably more than 14 new merit sources - perhaps even double that number. So perhaps around 28 new merit sources.. perhaps? Perhaps? That's another nice surprise, although I'm pretty sure at least a few of those new merit sources didn't apply to be one, and I hope they take the volunteer position seriously. We've already had some merit sources become inactive and there are probably some that aren't as generous with merits as others. The thing with the merit sources that actually applied for the position is that they're likely going to be the ones giving out the most merits (though I could certainly be wrong about that).In any case, whether it's 14 or 28 new sources, they're very much needed. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: hugeblack on July 07, 2021, 03:49:20 AM Does anyone know what is the maximum amount of the increase? Or the maximum number you can get from the merit source? Is 1000 sMerit the highest or are there members who get more than that?
I don't think that the new members got many merit points, the old members got almost 1000 merit points, and with an average of 34139/111 = 307.56, the new members got much less than 307. Any way I will edit my user script to [4,6,10,15,20] my sMerits have increased a lot so sending one to three would be a waste of time. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: fillippone on July 07, 2021, 06:33:08 AM Does anyone know what is the maximum amount of the increase? Or the maximum number you can get from the merit source? Is 1000 sMerit the highest or are there members who get more than that? I don't think that the new members got many merit points, the old members got almost 1000 merit points, and with an average of 34139/111 = 307.56, the new members got much less than 307. Any way I will edit my user script to [4,6,10,15,20] my sMerits have increased a lot so sending one to three would be a waste of time. As far as I know, 1000 sMerits is the maximum I heard from a few MS. I also know of a MS who apparently had no increase. I guess it would be interesting to hear from ms with >500 merits before where they landed now, if they care to discose. Or we will just wait and see from numbers. Provided that they will be able to spend such a gargantuan amount of sMerits. Anyway, which script are you referring to? Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: Halab on July 07, 2021, 07:20:17 AM [...] [...] Without giving precise numbers, before the change the number of sMerits went from 10 to 1000 or more. Now it always goes from 10 to, technically, more than 1000 :). Those who have 1000 smerits now, have had an increase ranging from ~ *2 to *5. Anyway, which script are you referring to? This one (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2833350.msg52249695#msg52249695) I suppose. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: Quickseller on July 07, 2021, 11:43:49 PM Congrats to you, all the other merit sources who got their monthly allocation increased, and those 14 new merit sources Changes are from 97 to 111 merit sources and 14 new merit sources is the assumption, from raw statistics we observe.It can be exactly 14 new sources or more than 14 if one or a few old merit sources were removed and replaced by new ones. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: Igebotz on July 08, 2021, 06:47:00 AM I think it is probably fair to say that inactive merit sources were removed. There really isn't any point in keeping an inactive user as a merit source, as they are not giving out any merit, and there is always the risk that an account will get hacked or sold. Fair enough, what's the need of keeping a merit source who's always inactive? Were the 13 others handpicked by theymos? If Yes, then it a welcome development because I know of someone who didn't apply but automatically became a merit source I only saw NotAtether merit source application Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: fillippone on July 08, 2021, 09:38:11 AM I think it is probably fair to say that inactive merit sources were removed. There really isn't any point in keeping an inactive user as a merit source, as they are not giving out any merit, and there is always the risk that an account will get hacked or sold. Fair enough, what's the need of keeping a merit source who's always inactive? Were the 13 others handpicked by theymos? If Yes, then it a welcome development because I know of someone who didn't apply but automatically became a merit source I only saw NotAtether merit source application I have seen at least one MS who didn’t ask to be promoted. I have seen at least one MS who didn’t have any allowance increase I have seen at least one MS applicant who didn’t have his application being accepted. So, I guess a lot of manual handpicking from Theymos. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: Igebotz on July 08, 2021, 02:19:20 PM I have seen at least one MS who didn’t have any allowance increase I have seen at least one MS applicant who didn’t have his application being accepted. So, I guess a lot of manual handpicking from Theymos. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: skarais on July 09, 2021, 02:32:17 AM Because recently the number of merit source and source bank has increased, I really hope that local board Indonesia increase the amount of merit distributed among quality posts or some merit source there have to change their smerit giving habit so that this next month won't again at 62 or under 70. Based on the data I got from the merit dashboard @DdmrDdmr, I can say that the merit distribution on Indonesian local boards is no longer past 300 every month for 2021 because the amount of merit seem to have decreased drastically so far.
Anyone can see that in the thread I update regularly after this. [CHART] Tampilan Bulanan Aktivitas Lokal Board Bahasa Indonesia (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5348298.0) Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: Quickseller on July 09, 2021, 03:47:08 AM I think it is probably fair to say that inactive merit sources were removed. There really isn't any point in keeping an inactive user as a merit source, as they are not giving out any merit, and there is always the risk that an account will get hacked or sold. Fair enough, what's the need of keeping a merit source who's always inactive? Were the 13 others handpicked by theymos? If Yes, then it a welcome development because I know of someone who didn't apply but automatically became a merit source I only saw NotAtether merit source application I have seen at least one MS who didn’t ask to be promoted. I have seen at least one MS who didn’t have any allowance increase I have seen at least one MS applicant who didn’t have his application being accepted. So, I guess a lot of manual handpicking from Theymos. My source sMerit is often empty but I am not active as much as I was in the past, so sometimes my source sMerit will refill and it might be some number of days before I can find posts to spend it on. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: El duderino_ on July 10, 2021, 06:57:53 AM We have been heard
Thx Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: fillippone on July 10, 2021, 08:56:46 AM Yes, Theymos hand picks the merit sources, likely with input from the community. Oh yes, I understand theymos hand picks MS, what I meant is this reshuffle implied a lot of selections manually by himself. What I understood from last time is that MS allowances were to be adjusted using some sort of algorithm. But since I was expecting a semi yearly automatic adjustment, while we got a manual adjustment after two years, probably it is just me but understanding. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: fillippone on July 25, 2021, 03:04:41 PM Wow! That has been an hell of a ride!
I guess I have to adapt to the new allowance: https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/16/blob816c2e1371b9d718.jpeg I am waiting for next month update by @Coin-1 to see the full chart… even if this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsend) looks promising. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: LoyceV on July 25, 2021, 04:14:13 PM Wow! That has been an hell of a ride! Might I suggest trying to send 1/30th of your source each day, so they replenish at a regular interval 30 days later?Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: fillippone on July 25, 2021, 04:17:17 PM Wow! That has been an hell of a ride! Might I suggest trying to send 1/30th of your source each day, so they replenish at a regular interval 30 days later?This is a very sensible suggestion. Nothing less I could expect from an AI. Of course you know things are a little bit more complicated as doing so I would deplete my MS allowance, but the received sMerits stash would grow uncontrolled (this stash grow with a not forecastable pace) But of course yes, smoothing is the name of the game. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: LoyceV on July 25, 2021, 04:34:38 PM Of course you know things are a little bit more complicated as doing so I would deplete my MS allowance, but the received sMerits stash would grow uncontrolled (this stash grow with a not forecastable pace) True. Then just send a tad more each day (after the first month). I used to keep my source as close to 0 as possible, which means I used "my own" sMerit once in a while too.Lately though, I haven't been able to empty my source, so "my own" sMerits are piling up to ridiculous heights too. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: Welsh on July 30, 2021, 09:44:27 PM Might I suggest trying to send 1/30th of your source each day, so they replenish at a regular interval 30 days later? If anyone is worried about not meriting posts that they've read already, but refrained giving merit because of following this guideline, then just put them into a text document, and review them at the end of the month. Any sMerit you have used then, could potentially be used to merit these posts that you have missed. Also, you could use the following months merit allocation to make up for these lost posts. You could alternatively just work on a backlog, and award the posts in your file you found the day before. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on July 30, 2021, 09:56:18 PM Wow! That has been an hell of a ride! Dang, bro--I didn't even realize you'd received that many merits. That's one hell of an accomplishment (and you deserve it)!<snip> I don't quite fully understand what Theymos did with his last change to the merit system and source's monthly allocations, but I'm assuming my sMerits will be at least partially replenished next month at some point. I've used up most of the 1000 that got airdropped to me, but fortunately I still have over 100 left and have some earned ones as well. You, I'm sure, have plenty of earned sMerits at your disposal and there's nothing wrong with using them up if need be. Lately though, I haven't been able to empty my source, so "my own" sMerits are piling up to ridiculous heights too. I had that problem for a while, and somehow it suddenly turned into a situation where I kept running low on both source and earned sMerits, which is why I was begging Theymos to increase my allocation. Hopefully that won't happen again for however long I'm a merit source.Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: Welsh on July 30, 2021, 10:03:05 PM even if this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsend) looks promising. Also, I've just noticed this, but is it a coincidence that your spent merit has landed on "1337" or are you showing off? :PI don't quite fully understand what Theymos did with his last change to the merit system and source's monthly allocations, but I'm assuming my sMerits will be at least partially replenished next month at some point. I've used up most of the 1000 that got airdropped to me, but fortunately I still have over 100 left and have some earned ones as well. Probably an effort from theymos to encourage users to use more merits per post, rather than spreading out their merit more. That's only an assumption on my behalf though. I'm expecting those who had their merit source increased, will get that amount back within the 30 days that they spent it. Judging by the sent merits, either not a lot of merit sources had theirs increased to the 1000 or they just haven't got through them. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: fillippone on July 30, 2021, 10:49:18 PM even if this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsend) looks promising. Also, I've just noticed this, but is it a coincidence that your spent merit has landed on "1337" or are you showing off? :PCoincidence! The chart is updated real time, and that number is only caused by the merit I gather and I immediately send away. Next couple of merit I receive, leet is gone! Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: fillippone on July 31, 2021, 10:44:30 AM Quote There are 111 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 34139 sMerit per 30 days Generated 34 000 merit, and distributed only ~26 000 merit. As someone said, it will take a few months for every MS to adjust their pace: you and me were front running our allocation, while other may be on the opposti being “lazy”. On the other hands, the important thing is those merits will trickle down the forum: when a MS sends 100 merits, it would be disappointing seeing 100 merits circulation in the forum, as those merits generate others (up to 196 if I am not wrong…). Try to apply this computation for the 34k… Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: DdmrDdmr on July 31, 2021, 10:59:50 AM <…> I make the best case scenario for 100 to be 197 tricked down (100+50+25+12+6+3+1), and 34K to turn into 67.995 at best.Edit: Lapsus plumae between 6 and 9 ... Personally, I’ve neglected in hitting the right awarding tone in terms of amount per TX. I presumed my initial pace was good enough to empty out my allowance with 2 sMerits per TXs on average, but seeing that there is now less than a week to complete the cycle, and still plenty in stock, I should probably rethink my initial plan. Of course, I’m now finding less posts to merit than a couple of weeks ago, so that didn’t help me to stay on course … I’m therefore on the "lazy" end. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: o_e_l_e_o on July 31, 2021, 11:22:32 AM <…> I make the best case scenario for 100 to be 167 tricked down (100+50+25+12+6+3+1), and 34K to turn into 67.995 at best.Regardless, 100 merit fully distributed generates 100 more smerit. Since each 1 merit generates 0.5 smerit, you an create a simple infinite series: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1/2_%2B_1/4_%2B_1/8_%2B_1/16_%2B_%E2%8B%AF 100 merit given generates 50 (100/2) smerit. 50 merit given generates 25 (100/4) smerit. 25 merit given generates 12.5 (100/8) smerit. Create the infinite series: 100/2 + 100/4 + 100/8 + 100/16 + 100/32 + ... As the the merit is fully distributed, then the sum of the series converges on 100. Just because if I give you 25 merit you only gain 12 smerit, doesn't mean the 0.5 is wasted. It is still applied to your account and waits for you to earn another 1 merit/0.5 smerit to then be available to spend, so you cannot disregard it from your calculation when considering merit being fully distributed. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: fillippone on July 31, 2021, 11:27:16 AM <…> I make the best case scenario for 100 to be 167 tricked down (100+50+25+12+6+3+1), and 34K to turn into 67.995 at best.Regardless, 100 merit fully distributed generates 100 more smerit. Since each 1 merit generates 0.5 smerit, you an create a simple infinite series. 100 merit given generates 50 (100/2) smerit. 50 merit given generates 25 (100/4) smerit. 25 merit given generates 12.5 (100/8) smerit. Create the infinite series: 100/2 + 100/4 + 100/8 + 100/16 + 100/32 + ... As the the merit is fully distributed, then the sum of the series converges on 100. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1/2_%2B_1/4_%2B_1/8_%2B_1/16_%2B_%E2%8B%AF Oh, where are merits when you need those! Please someone merit this man. While I suspect 167 is a typo, your objection on the infinite serie is actually correct. Maybe at a “forum level” as our computation don’t account for “half merits” that get “lost” at individual level. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: JayJuanGee on July 31, 2021, 06:38:53 PM Quote There are 111 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 34139 sMerit per 30 days Generated 34 000 merit, and distributed only ~26 000 merit. As someone said, it will take a few months for every MS to adjust their pace: you and me were front running our allocation, while other may be on the opposti being “lazy”. Call me "lazy" if you must. I would like to call it "pacing" myself or some other more positive way of framing the matter.. I will admit that I did front run mine too a wee bit, too.. and I consider value in some of the front running (not just getting the balance off the books)... but I did not consider front running to be so valuable as to cause me to want to blow the whole wadd... Yeah.. whatever, whatever, whatever, they be coming back in 30 days... no big deal, right? For sure, a goal of using all the source quantity in 30 days and achieving it would be maximizing the allocation and reallocation, but without being out of smerits... there is likely still a bit of marginal distribution benefits to the forum to have the smerits distributed more quickly.. but I find 30 days to be a kind of rounding error in the whole balancing of matters. On the other hands, the important thing is those merits will trickle down the forum: when a MS sends 100 merits, it would be disappointing seeing 100 merits circulation in the forum, as those merits generate others (up to 196 if I am not wrong…). Try to apply this computation for the 34k… 100 probably generates 96 more for a total of 196 coming from 100. Edit.. whatever.. you "actual use of maths" guys made the point way better than my lame pointing out.. and I really don't get the infinite point.. because fractions below 1 do not really matter.. in terms of needing to have two .5s to make a 1 to even be able to spend it... but maybe some other point is being made in regards to infinite. Edit #2.. Ok... I reread my above thoughts on the infinite matter, and sure, I guess that it is making some sense because there will be a lot of smerits that are generated at the .5 smerit threshold, and merely waiting for the other .5 smerits in order to make them spendable.... so that bank of potential all count in some kind of theoretical way (but also in a kind of real way, too).. event though they cannot be spent in a kind of infinite way... of getting smaller and smaller and smaller even while they are just not realized until getting their other .5 smerit match.. so if that unspendableness of the .5 smerit does seem to move it from the theoretical infinite to the actually not infinite category.... but a mere ball of unrealized (but possibly realizable) potentiality in the forum. Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: El duderino_ on August 06, 2021, 07:43:09 AM Wow! That has been an hell of a ride! Might I suggest trying to send 1/30th of your source each day, so they replenish at a regular interval 30 days later?Yeah I have done the same strategie…. Works fine imo Title: Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round. Post by: CryptopreneurBrainboss on October 05, 2021, 08:08:56 AM I don't know if this thread is still active but I'll love to indicate my interest of getting some additional source smerits if such discussion comes on board in the future. I think I didn't receive extra source merit when that was done last, I wasn't active on the meta board to indicate interest if that was how it was done but just want to indicate interest on time now Incase the issue araise in future. Thanks.
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