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Lets say for example you pay someone for a product or service 1,5 btc and he scams you? what can you do about it? can you find his location his name etc?
Also you send the btc to his exchange account(witch is not Kyc). If he turnes that btc into monero its over!?

How did you communicate with him, you might be able to work out where he is from that info.

You can't charge back a btc transaction and if they aren't kycd then theres probably no way to trace them from there...

Bitcoin is pseudo-anonymous. You can follow the unspent outputs, and if (at one point) an address linked to an exchange or service with mandatory KYC is funded, you have a (very small) chance of recovering your funds.
Offcourse, as soon as the funds have moved a couple of times, there's a small chance of finding the real culprit but instead you'll find an innocent person that just got payed by an unspent output that could once be linked to a crime.

There are a couple of things you can do if you get scammed tough:

• Go to the police, at least they'll be able to gather some statistics and maybe if they ever crack down a huge scam network they might be able to recover your funds
• Follow the unspent outputs and check walletexplorer if one of the funded addresses is ever from a KYC mandatory service. Maybe you won't find the culprit, but odds are you'll end up with somebody that did business with the culprit. Offcourse, if a mixing service of some sorts is used, your trail ends
• Depending on the mode in which you were scammed, it might be possible to get to the ip or account of the scammer... Bitcointalk and other fora/services keeps ip logs, domain names need to be registered, chat applications need to be downloaded or connected to a central server,... All of these things can be faked/hidden tough

You're also right about monero. Once BTC gets exchanged for a privacy coin, you're more or less out of options...

Maybe it's a good idear to tell us what happened exactly, it's kind of hard to give advice without knowing the exact story...

i have talked with him thrue a forum and telegram.

Telegram is a no-go unless you can let him click a link (iplogger) you won't get any info.

You can ask the admins of the forum you were on to hand over his data (IP, Browser fingerprints), but that probably requires a police report.

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And, this has already been said but i'll emphasize it: You can also check the adress you send money to with https://www.walletexplorer.com/

see if it generates any KYC exchanges, and then you'll probably also need to file a police report first and MAYBE they hand over the data. (That probably actually requires a court filing or something. (I am not a lawyer so i don't know.)

If it is a big forum and he is a known/old member then you should start a thread there and expose him.
If he cares about his membership and reputation there then maybe he will send the money back to you. At least you will prevent other members from getting scammed by him.

If the scammer use an exchange wallet he can still be trace through some deep search but you can only his address, name etc if the exchange is centralized. If he's a scammer that make use to clean wallet and direct the BTC to his personal wallet through solid tumbler the BTC is long gone cause it can't be trace
Meanwhile, it better to be more careful in the first place than trying to rectify the damage after it has occurred.

Did he already scammed you?

If not yet, don't deal with him better look for trusted escrow(MiddleMan) before you deal. But if you already sent the bitcoin to him there's no way to recover it.

Can you tell us what forum you are talking about is it the cryptotalk forum? I don't know if they have some trusted escrow but here on the forum, you can find many.

Do you think this will help somehow if the fraudster used the service from your signature?

in theory , you could hire a bitcoin forensics company to try and trace the scammer
in reality , your coins are usually as good as lost even if he doesn't exchange it to any anonymous crypto
a good example - Primedice and Hufflepuff , you can Google it for more info or read this article :
 https://www.casino.org/news/primedice-com-loses-over-1-million-to-player-exploiting-coding-flaw/
the casino offered decent money for the information that would lead to the scammer , but as far as I know it resulted in nothing and he walked away with 1 mil $ in bitcoins
worth up to 20 mil nowadays ,by the way

it is very important to only send your coins to the services or people you trust , if the receiver disappears and you've sent your coins first  - you are in trouble

Sorry to say that chances of getting your fund back is very lower. Bitcoin has been popular for its transaction privacy where in one word you can trace transaction but its kinda impossible to get information about receiver or sender. I don't think that wallet provider will come forward to share KYC details of their user.

If bitcoin is legally accepted in your country then its the best option for you. 

Is that means you already scammed by someone? I am really don't understand why you were make deal with 1,5 btc at once if you don't know that guy is trusted enough or not. You can't do anything with telegram, there is no need use any personal info and it could completely vanish by deleting account. So just forget about telegram.

Regarding forum, if its bitcointalk then we would just tag scammer if you can prove successfully, nothing else we can do. Even if its other forum nothing can be done with bitcoin transaction. Bitcoin is irreversible and can't trace if you don't know exactly address won by which person. I am sorry to say but you lost it forever....

In 9 out of the 10 cases it is impossible to trace the scammer. These people know how to hide their identity, because they do this for a living. They never re-use Bitcoin addresses and they use Mixer services after they scammed you and some people use public Wifi and throwaway email accounts to throw you off their trail.  >:(

Bitcoin also do not allow for a reversal of payment, so you cannot even reverse the payment after it was done. The best you can do is to report it here --> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0 in the hope that he/she might make a mistake with the next victim and that you would be able to track him/her in that way.

The next victim might Google and find this and he/she might have more information to link the scammer and then contact you to find this person. This will also help other people not to become a victim, if they know what the modus operandi  was.  ;)

Also report it here --> https://badbitcoin.org/thebadlist/

Just curious how could telegram can possibly track it? I mean there's no KYC in there yet no form to be fill out upon creating an account. While for the mobile numbers, it can also be trick as some use 2line app in which they can generate a number in a specific country code then you can use it to register on telegram.

Likewise, the least they can provide is the IP address.

Would be hopeless to OP's side.

In most cases we cannot find scammers and get money back because scammers are always well prepared and it is very difficult for us to track them. Besides, Bitcon is an anonymous currency so no one can know whose wallet owner is unless he does KYC (certainly scammers won't do this).
In my country, cryptocurrencies are not considered a currency so the police will not interfere in such cases.
The best way to protect ourselves in the cryptocurrency market is to always be wary of trading.

The only way is to track transfers and have hope that someone will exchange BTC to fiat on KYC requiring place. If you have no experience in this kind of actions, you can ask for help for example this service:

https://www.coinfirm.com/reclaimcrypto/

I don't know how good they are, because there is no feedback, but here is discussion about this service:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5199781.0

If you pay for product or service by traditional bank transfer or credit-card its same deal as with paying in BTC. There are so many scams from selles on popular auction sites that collect money from orders and dissapears after for example.
Scams with fake shop websites, that doing same thing, with standard means of payment.
How can you know then their location/name when all provided data was fake in first place? BTC is no different here.

I remember last year someone is in the same situation as you are now when he engaged in some kind of transactions using bitcoin and got scammed. his case was he bought a car online using bitcoin at a cheap price and got scammed after that, he came to this forum asking for support. he taught that this forum is the customer support for the bitcoin user. by reading your post, now I believe that those fake offers get some victims sometimes and are always dramatic when you read their victim's post. that's why we really need to post an awareness about this happening to warn them on not to engage in some strange transactions using cryptocurrencies.

1.5 Bitcoin and you did not ask for a vouch if the guy is trusted? what's he's rank and his username here, why are you not posting it here including a screenshot of your conversation, you should know in the first place that there is no chargeback why did you not get an escrow service in the first place, since you are dealing with a big amount, sorry to say it's your mistake for not taking the necessary precautions.

It would be not possible to trace the scammer since bitcoin is decentralized and the information of the sender and receiver is anonymous and cannot be traced. And you need to check the information

Ane if you got some legit information of the scammer then you can trace it and send it to the authorities but it will depend on where country you are and the scammer.

Was it on Bitcointalk? I've seen cars sold in the Marketplace before.

This is not true. Bitcoin is not anonymous, instead, it's pseudonymous. Moreover, bitcoin blockchain is transparent and available to public. You can trace where the transaction is going, from where he is receiving fund as well as his previous records of transaction. It's very much easy to trace, even more easy to trace than fiat money in my opinion.
You have to spend some times behind the scammer, most likely today or tomorrow he will leave a footprint from where you can get his identity- if the address receive a transaction from an exchange or if he ever execute a transaction to an exchange etc. By this way, you can trace anyone in bitcoin blockchain. Well, it's time consuming and you have to wait for the scammer to make a mistake and leave a footprint anywhere between his transaction. Depending on the amount of being scammed, the victim may try to have a regular update of the scammer movement. For a lower amount, it certainly doesn't worth the time you have to spend.

In my opinion it is rather difficult to find a solution if an incident like that has happened, but we can take precautions so that we are not fooled, especially in large amounts of money. 1.5 BTC is not a small amount, you should check their credibility and reputation before making a transaction. Don't check it after completing the transaction, it is a big mistake.

It is very difficult to find out the scammer If you don't have any Information about the Man(scammer) except the bitcoin Address only. If the scammer use a exchange wallet then something is possible rarely. But exchange will not give any information of their user to any 3rd person. So it also very difficult  to find out. But possible.   

So before sending High amount we should asking the Personal Information about his, or asking a vouch copy is the only way to solve this issue.

The first thing you can and should do is tell the rest of what happened to you and who did it. Thus, you at least protect the community from the next scam and get a lot of useful tips on what to do and how to act.
As a rule, if your money is stolen, and you do not know anything to the person who transferred the money, then nothing prevents him from selling stolen goods to any of the exchanges.

A huge amount of funds was lost on the crypto market thanks to scammers, only a small part was returned, while all this is very unique and often unnatural for the blockchain.

The best thing to do with that is to file a complaint to the bureau of investigation and allow them to track the scammer who victimized you via the platform you used for the comminication. You can't track them through the money you sent since it can be laundered making it really impossible to get traced even though the authorities take an action.

Isn't that kinda contradictory? Besides, cryptos are way more difficult to trace compared to fiat, let alone if the scammer resides in another country.

thanks for your feedback guys

If someone tries to scam most of the time nothing can be done because they are already prepared to do these things. They usually keep all of their addresses confidential while working with us, sending us the wrong address and scamming them so we have nothing to do. Also we always have to be careful when it comes to working Also note all the name addresses where you are doing the transaction Do not make any investments or transactions on Telegram.

As long as you can trace his location and you know who he is you can prosecute him, there is no reason why you should send funds to the person who cannot prove that he is legit and there's a way to trace him because there is no chargeback involve, you are inviting people to scam you if you do not investigate first before sending, then your funds are lost.

Well, firstly you can track on Blockchain explorer to where that BTC was transferred. After that, the only thing you can report him here: - https://www.first.org/members/teams/  (choose the country where you got scammed and send email )

Although it is not likely they will find him. Of course, there is always hope. Good luck