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Honestly, I see a number of posts in several places such as casinos, forums (especially bitcointalk), and other social media, that is they say SCAM. When other people ask, how can they fool you? and the victim answered, I played this way blah blah blah blah and then I lost it shouldn't be because I used the method blah blah blah blah (until his mouth was foamy).

Hold for a while, user play and lose ?, user trading and loss. Then where is the SCAM? The answer is NOT a SCAM, but rigged.

Rigged itself is similar to cheating, but has the same meaning as between the two words, each representing something that is unfair and has been set up from the beginning and resulted in losses for one party.

In particular articulation, rigged itself is more towards a platform, especially one that has two sides such as win and lose, profit and loss. These two things we often encounter in a trading platform (ex: binary) and games platform (ex: casino). Platform game, many of us gamble in casinos and at the beginning we win and when we play long then we will lose. If you find the same case and you ask the same 10-20 users, then saying the same thing could indicate something wrong with the platform. You can say rigged, if it keeps repeating over and over and you are not aware of it.

The real world and the world of technology.

It is very difficult if you are not a programmer to say that the game is rigged. When you lose, you will blame, even though you know you are being played with from the start. After that you will crash it with your assumptions and opinions if the platform is rigged. Players will say, I am 70% in the real world and always win (as if he were Dan Bilzarian) but why am I at casino X I keep losing? I'm sure the casino is rigged. From here we can see there is something wrong with the user, why I say that, he can not distinguish the computer program and the original dice concept when he throws with his own hands.


Difference with cheating.

In specific articulations, cheating is more directed at a person or actor to outsmart a system and is not allowed by a platform or other words to do things that violate the rules. For example: merit abuser (getting by inviting others, etc.) and looking for game loopholes then used for personal gain, but not a few cheating is also directed from the user to a platform.

From those two things, we can see that none of the statements refer to SCAM. I am truly disgusted and disgusted if in the casino chat room or platform screaming SCAM SCAM SCAM as if they were baboons. What the hell? I withdraw and they pay according to the nominal that I withdraw.


What is SCAM?

You withdraw your money and you don't get your money!
Already UNDERSTANDING for newbie? who likes screaming SCAM in chat rooms?

scam
"an illegal plan for making money, especially one that involves tricking people"

rigged
"manipulated or controlled by deceptive or dishonest means"

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/scam
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rigged

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I would call a rigged casino/website a scam. :)

Of course, people can lose money if one is not going to be careful whether it is trading or gaming. Now, on the matter of the system being rigged, the best is to get out and not participate. In many cases, there will always be red flags and people who feel that they are being victimized can be found online warning others not to be another victim. In the world of cryptocurrency, there are many scammers, people who are finding out that taking a residence in this industry can be profitable, so we have to make sure we are doing our due diligence otherwise we will just charge the whole thing to experience.

who is stupid,? You yourself made a thread out of place, You should make this silly thread in the off-topic section, Maybe you need to read this to find out what a scam is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scam_(disambiguation)  :o

It's not wise to generalize all the scam screamers as the same. Some are just throwing their frustrations through words. Some might be unaware and confused of the site rules and some might real be having issues with the sites as even the promising of sites has encounter problems that were solved through research and discussion in this forum.

Sometimes people lose in gambling and they scream it as SCAM which is actually not a SCAM. 
Also i hear every now and then that people claim that gambling site scam them when actually they do not follow the rules like multiple accounts restrictions and other such stuff. We need to read the rules and regulations carefully before paying at a certain site.

I don't really get it why are there still some people who fall's victim into a scam investment when it is very clear that their investment platform is a scam.
It is true that those who scream scam is stupid because smart one's wouldn't fall for it and if you did then you should learn from it and try to avoid other scam from your experience.

Of course it is good when people use words correctly)))) and of course different words and expressions have different meanings, sometimes with a subtle difference. Very often people do not see this difference and use words just like they personally understand. It is not clear why this impressed you so much?... I think that there is no difference what exact word a person uses in case he or she really lost assets because of the dishonest actions of the owners of the project or the exchange or whatever. The most important in all this will be that it brought losses. The only thing when it is may be harmful when someone just did silly actions or did not understood something and shout everywhere that it is a scam - yeah, agree, it is not good. Because it is harmful for the reputation of the coin, or the exchange...

Rigged things are the same as scams mate. They both involve deception, and the stealing/tricking of users funds, and the funds ending up in the hands of the scammer, or in this case, the casino.

Casinos will usually operate on a system known as "provably fair" which is basically a system that does all the bets for you and makes the results as random, and as uncontrollable as possible - just don't gamble anywhere without this provably fair system.

Yes! I think being scammed for the first time is not stupidity , we are prone to be scammed because we are being not aware in everything we tend to join every single project that we are seeing because we need money, we want to earn but the lack of education hits us so hard that is why we became victim but then when we are scammed by second or third then I think that is stupidity.

People who ranting because they got scammed are dumb, they blaming others and they do not blame their selves. It's their own fault to believe in such claims by scammers. I also a stupid person before because I got scammed, but now I'm sure that I can now protect my funds because I have knowledge and for me it is power. You can protect your funds if you have knowledge about the investment that will you take. Do not become blindly just because an investment are offering so much rewards. It just their tactics to attract more victims.

Well,you are the one who is screaming scam(in your thread title),so maybe you are stupid. ;D
There are 1000 different scam methods,you can't just call a part of them "scam" and the other part of them "rigged".

Please let us all understand people, not every people has been wise at first, not all people has been very vigilant but that doesn't mean they are stupid, they just have been so careless and this should be a lesson learned for everyone. Even the intelligent person also has been victim of scam, so please let's not say stupid things, we are here to help everyone not to tell people that we are 'smarter than them.

Call it scam, rigged or cheat, the bottomline is that an individual has been defrauded and made unhappy. Most persons that fall victim of these act often fail to carry out their own due diligence before involving themselves. If due diligence is done, an individual will often find red flags on a platform that isn't legit.

Well said, just like everyone else we also made some mistakes and bad choices in life. It's just that there are some people and situations that affects our decisions and sometimes it doesn't turn out great but we are trying our best to get rid of it. It's kind of difficult particularly these days that you can't easily trust anyone or anything because you don't know their true intention. We are not perfect but we keep on learning and it helps us to be stronger and wiser.

Yes , scams really affects people in also their feelings and emotions. Dont call them stupid because they are just only a victim of those people who dont really have conscience and even care to others. The victims needed to be aware to everything and let us help them so that they will not be scammed again and they will help others too.

Nope this should actually be moved to the Gambling section, because it is more applicable to that section. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=56.0

What OP, must understand is the language differences and what people see as scams and also when something is rigged for you to also lose your

money.  Cloud mining sites are scams or to be more specific, Ponzi schemes and gambling sites with rigged software are also scams, because people

lose their money there too. They could tell you the games are Provably Fair, but it might not be, then it is a scam.  ;)

I do agree, but it is not about being careless, it is all about lack of knowledge and experience to take the right decision and actions to this kind of situation. But the good thing is, when things like this happen to them, they will most likely learn from their experience and become a better man to take actions and will show that they grow as they stay in crypto world.

This is a common stereotype between noobs in the crypto space. The word "scam" is literally used everytime they lose money, especially on gambling sites, though there are many bucket shop out there created to steal money. However I think the best way to avoid "scams" is for them to stop FOMOing in everything a do some decent due diligence before jumping the gun..

Not always for sure. Moreover, sometimes you don't need to try the fire in order to be sure it's bloody hot.  :)

Either way, scam or rigged, when someone posted a thread and you get the point that he lost money in gambling, that's it. Regardless of the word used, if you know and understand what the others are trying to tell, that's fine. I don't mind if people would use the word scam even if it is not the exact word to describe it. Though correcting is a good thing for them to learn the difference.

Scam is the way to trick a nice person or innocent people, to give you money, while giving him/her a promise that can't be deliver
to them, its an act of cheating them knowing their weakness, this kind of thing is a work of a weak people that can't work because
they just wan't easy money, screaming scam doesn't mean your stupid that means they are a victim of people who can't do things
right in their life, and get the easy way out by victimizing people with their money

As bad as stupidity is its more like making mistakes, now tell me how will one move forward if they are playing it so safe and avoiding all mistakes? failing forward is a step closer to success, what i don't like is making mistakes and not taking is as your responsibility

its all the same thing, if i lose money because the site is just full of manipulation and that my bet was cancelled yet the funds were not returned. its still the same thing, although i would first submit ticket and if resolve then i can go on betting again. it takes a day to get things resolve and often times users will just shout scam to get the attention of whose in charge. its like shoot first and ask questions later and it works most of the time in this wild west crypto.

lol where did you see something stupid like this?i have not seen any same scenario as you have mentioning because losing is part of gambling or trading so there is no point that we can call this as scamming(not unless you are the one who is doing such?)lol
this is the true scamming that i believe happening until now,like some exchange or gambling sites that when you are using their platform you will find no issue as they are allowing you freely but things will change when time comes that you need a withdrawal specially when involving big amounts that they will Include you in freezing or holding without valid proof.

A rigged casino/platform is still a scam in my eyes. If you're scamming someone, you have the intention to use any illegal methods to gain profit, and rigging the system in a platform's favor, by any means and definition, is illegal, and therefore falls into the scam category. It's basically the same thing since the platform is trying to fool people into playing their "rigged" game for the ultimate intention of scamming them.

Simple solution to this: don't try to play on sites that has no name yet or haven't done anything to get their brand out in the open to compete against other platforms.

Also, this should better be moved to Service Discussion and not here.

I agree with you that if a person simply loses, it's a scam. But I have not really seen many cases similar to what you are talking about. Most of the time when I see scam accusations, they are related to a situation where people cannot withdraw funds from a casino or something. Another kind of case somewhat resembles those you're talking about, but they are different nevertheless. I am talking about people who were playing and kept losing against the odds (literally, when it's a game with strict odds but you keep losing). And these people might be right because it can mean that a website states certain odds when they are actually way lower, so people lose because of casinos being unfair.

maybe if we talk scam, it leads to fraud like ponzi if for games like casinos, it is more rigged.

Maybe next time I will discuss fraud.
thank you for ur advanced